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Bryon Bass on watches, EDC, BMWs, and Travel Clothing · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host Scott Brady. My co host Matt Scott is
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  Speaker 1: not with me today because he is currently in Zurich
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  Speaker 1: celebrating his birthday. Happy birthday, Matt, thanks for being amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And we have doctor Brian Bass with us today. This
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  Speaker 1: will be our first third time guest because we never
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  Speaker 1: get through all the cool things we want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being back on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Brian. Thanks for having me again. Scott, Oh, it's good man.
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  Speaker 1: And the last time that we got done with we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about it, well, we forgot to talk about
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  Speaker 1: this and we forgot to talk about that. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk a little bit about watches today, which
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  Speaker 1: is something we've been putting off. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about kind of every day carry but from an international
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  Speaker 1: travel perspective. We're going to talk about some of the
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  Speaker 1: things that we wear. We're going to talk about kind
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  Speaker 1: of the day in the life of an archaeologist, and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to riff on a couple other subjects that
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  Speaker 1: I think will be really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And special.
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  Speaker 1: in your world right now?
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  Speaker 3: Good question? Thanks for having me back. Yeah, no pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Is the third time? R Yeah, exactly, I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Last time, Mad Scott was somewhere which is good, Which
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  Speaker 3: is good. Yeah, mostly been working on a number of
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  Speaker 3: local archaeologic projects in the Santa Barbara Greater Santa Barbara area,
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  Speaker 3: doing archaeological consulting. That part's all regulatory driven.
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, people want to go find cool stuff in their backyard, right,
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  Speaker 3: going through some permitting or planning process and so I'm
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  Speaker 3: helping them get through the quagmire of the bureaucracies, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at the local level, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then you do get a fine cool stuff. Sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, with that kind of archaeology, I usually recommend avoiding
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  Speaker 3: the resource whenever possible. Sure, which sounds counterintuitive obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I want to excavate stuff and check it out and
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  Speaker 3: learn more about our collective past. But frequently when we
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  Speaker 3: find stuff, it can get quite expensive. I always tell
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  Speaker 3: my clients when we have to break out the dental
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  Speaker 3: pick and the toothbrush, sure, do the math on the
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  Speaker 3: per hour rates that I have or crew that I use.
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  Speaker 3: And so then we'll say, hey, can you guys move
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  Speaker 3: your hot tub about ten feet this way and just
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  Speaker 3: make this, you know, kind of an ornamental vegetation. And
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  Speaker 3: what's the most interesting thing that like surprised you. You
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  Speaker 3: were in the middle of a dig and then you
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  Speaker 3: came across something that completely surprised you anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean on the academic side, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: we're doing pure research, frequently we know we're going to
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  Speaker 3: be finding something if we've already established that there's a
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  Speaker 3: site there, and we know the period and everything like that.
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  Speaker 3: But with the consulting side, there's been some interesting fines.
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  Speaker 3: For example, I had a project just across from the
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  Speaker 3: train station in Santa Barbara, Okay, I want to say
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  Speaker 3: it was. Train station was set up in nineteen oh seven,
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  Speaker 3: Sunday nineteen oh three, something like that, and across the
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  Speaker 3: road they were putting in a children's museum in this
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  Speaker 3: one location that used to be where the conductors and
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  Speaker 3: other staff on the train could I think overnight or
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  Speaker 3: just take take a breather when they would clean the
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  Speaker 3: train out. And when we started digging there, we found
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  Speaker 3: what was predominantly the first class dinner service that had
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  Speaker 3: just been thrown into this dump, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the plates, egg cups, silverware that was of course had
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  Speaker 3: like the Southern Pacific stamp and logo on it. Sure
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  Speaker 3: it was like maybe the cleaning crew didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: have the deal with cleaning the stuff, so they're just
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  Speaker 3: dumped it in this lit.
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  Speaker 2: Accidentally in the trash.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of the stuff wasn't broken, and
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  Speaker 3: we found just bizarre Tabasco jars and Tabasco little bottles
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  Speaker 3: and things like that that they had back then.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing. So that was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: It was just unexpected, and it's it's of course artifacts
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  Speaker 3: that that you know, as a guy of modern times,
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  Speaker 3: I can relate to kind of project yourself into the
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  Speaker 3: first class carriage and see people ordering all.
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  Speaker 2: This crazy amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because railway certainly like the first form of mechanized
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  Speaker 1: overland travel, and it was it was something that was
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  Speaker 1: very special, and it allowed people to transit the country
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of efficiency, a lot more efficiency than
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  Speaker 1: we ever had before. And you can see why they
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  Speaker 1: had the same spirit of travel and adventure that.
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  Speaker 2: We did totally.
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  Speaker 1: Although they did get the egg cups, which I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I've ever brought one on that trip.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy right.
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  Speaker 3: We also found like giant clam interesting, but the dishes
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  Speaker 3: were shaped like the clam. I mean, I mean crazy
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  Speaker 3: stuff that I assume you could order off of a menu.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't dive in on doing the history of any
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  Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, it's just weird.
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  Speaker 3: Just dealing with the dump itself, Yeah, and how we're
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  Speaker 3: going to address it well, And it seems.
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  Speaker 1: Like some of the most significant archaeological finds have been
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  Speaker 1: trash heaps, trash dumps. Yeah, because it's just a collection
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  Speaker 1: of so many things. Even in Prescott here, I know
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  Speaker 1: that they spent a lot of time excavating the dump
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  Speaker 1: of old Prescott because it was a significant place in
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  Speaker 1: the Old West.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely territorial capital. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember being along the southern coast of Australia and
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  Speaker 1: we would come across those massive dumps of shells where
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  Speaker 1: the Aboriginal people had been in the mid and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they packed with them. I mean when you first see it,
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  Speaker 1: you think like, why would this be? And then you
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  Speaker 1: realize like, oh, like this is it would go grab
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  Speaker 1: them out of the ocean, and this is where they
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  Speaker 1: would sit and eat them and with no population pressure exactly,
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  Speaker 1: and just the world's best location.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it be good to dig in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit on your newest project. Let's talk about your
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  Speaker 1: You've been buying some motorcycles, man, since the last time
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  Speaker 1: we talked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, yeah, maybe since Yeah, I picked up
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  Speaker 3: another GS.
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  Speaker 2: I guess yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a few years back I picked up a nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety four R one hundred GS that previous owner had
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  Speaker 3: put the Paris to car or the PD package on
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  Speaker 3: it to some extent, which really is like the means
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  Speaker 3: of the tank, the nine point two four gallon tank,
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  Speaker 3: the little faring panels that match up to the tank,
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  Speaker 3: solo seat, the larger rack in the back. That's really
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  Speaker 3: like the crux of you wanted to convert, like an
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  Speaker 3: R one hundred GS to the PD variant. Sure, there's
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  Speaker 3: some small things like the lower faring.
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  Speaker 2: Was the wheel diameter any different?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: That was? Now it's all the same.
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  Speaker 3: Everything else is the same, Which is the beauty of
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  Speaker 3: tracking down the parts on eBay or wherever, Yeah, online
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  Speaker 3: different shops. Is that those that GS or that R
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  Speaker 3: one hundred the last iteration of the R one hundred.
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  Speaker 3: The parts are completely ubiquitous mostly and interchangeable, so you
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  Speaker 3: know that fit on your bike if you pick up
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  Speaker 3: a part somewhere. Yeah, yeah, anyway, I picked that one
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  Speaker 3: up and that was what became the project bike for
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  Speaker 3: the forty years GS that we wrote about the first article,
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  Speaker 3: which was really just kind of getting it squared away
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  Speaker 3: and dialing it in for maximizing, I guess, the platform
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  Speaker 3: for international travel where it could be prepared by the
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  Speaker 3: rider and not have to have its service.
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  Speaker 1: And wasn't that part of the goal with this project.
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  Speaker 1: Because you have your original GS that you've owned for
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  Speaker 1: how long now, bought it new in nineteen ninety two. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Ratton Motors in San Diego, California.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: So we're at thirty years that you've had that motorcycle, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy to think.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you bought this other one because you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: build something that you could that wasn't quite as precious
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  Speaker 1: to you personally, but you could take it traveling, leave
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  Speaker 1: it in countries, come back exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the other one, maybe I'm sentimental about it. I
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  Speaker 3: mean I've actually built that one out, not to a
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  Speaker 3: great extent, but I've modified that. I think like the
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  Speaker 3: first first summer that I had it in Europe sounds
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  Speaker 3: kind of crazy. I bought a bike in California and shipped.
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  Speaker 2: It over to Europe. It's made in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was my first summer crossing over to
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  Speaker 3: the continent from Scotland when I was in grad school.
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  Speaker 3: One of my buddies there, he said, man, you got
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  Speaker 3: to turn this into the PD. So we went to
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  Speaker 3: some motorcycle shop at Hamburg and did it. Just got
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  Speaker 3: all the parts and you know, a couple of six
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  Speaker 3: ers of beer and took care of that. In any case,
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  Speaker 3: I kept it mostly stock, mostly stocked. But this other bike,
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  Speaker 3: it was sort of the sky's the limit. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know of the history of the bike,
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  Speaker 3: although it was fairly low miles the nineteen ninety four one.
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  Speaker 2: Then I picked up for the forty years GS project.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't have any problem taking things off, tweaking things. There's
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  Speaker 3: so much for the R one hundred GS is well,
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  Speaker 3: the R one hundreds in general, there's so much cottage
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  Speaker 3: industry out there of people that have it's the geeks,
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  Speaker 3: it's the airhead BMW geeks who have come up with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a better widget for some of the small things,
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  Speaker 3: some of the large things. We relied on a lot
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  Speaker 3: of that. Where people have it's tried and true, it's tested.
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  Speaker 3: They've demonstrated that what they make in their garage or
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  Speaker 3: you know, they crank out ten at a time time
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  Speaker 3: of whatever it happens to be or better than the
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  Speaker 3: original and better than products that maybe HPN made back
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  Speaker 3: in the day for the race bikes, and so dove
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  Speaker 3: into that.
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  Speaker 2: That was it.
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  Speaker 1: It looks great, cool, it looks great and We've were
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  Speaker 1: wrapping up a video on that as well, so those
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  Speaker 1: that are listening, it'll either have already dropped or it's
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  Speaker 1: about to draw video of you going through the details
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  Speaker 1: on this new GS. That'll be fun for people to
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  Speaker 1: check out on the Expedition Portal YouTube channel. It'll be
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  Speaker 1: coming out quick. And then you did buy another motorcycle
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  Speaker 1: though it was a bit older. Oh yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: forgot about it. You're forgetting about motorcycles.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that one, okay, Well that yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: bought a nineteen sixty six R sixty nine S And
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't my intention to buy it. It wasn't like
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  Speaker 3: I had the cash sitting around gathering dust, you know,
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  Speaker 3: under a pillow. That bike for some reason, when I
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  Speaker 3: was a little kid, I don't know if I saw one.
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  Speaker 2: My dad didn't have one of those.
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  Speaker 3: But it has the tractor, you know, the triangular seats
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  Speaker 3: on it, the Denfield seats on it, and that was like,
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  Speaker 3: that was motorcycle when I was a kid. When I
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  Speaker 3: thought of a motorcycle, surprisingly, it wasn't some motocrosser or
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  Speaker 3: a mini bike that was like a cartoon looks like
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  Speaker 3: a cartoon, modes in a way. Yeah, and I had
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity. One came up for sale. It was in
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  Speaker 3: reasonable nick it ended up needing, you know, a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of work to get it dialed in. It was
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  Speaker 3: in the price range that I could afford, and so
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  Speaker 3: so I picked it up. I can't get over riding
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  Speaker 3: that thing. I mean, it's it looks so great, it
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  Speaker 3: looks cool, but it's not just that like back in
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  Speaker 3: the day. You know, that was a mister I think
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  Speaker 3: it was mister Penton did like rode from New York
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  Speaker 3: to LA and then people just started and set a record,
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  Speaker 3: you know whenever. It was like forty something hours. I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember sure. I mean that's crazy just getting on
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  Speaker 3: an R sixty nine s and just going west. It's refueling,
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming, going to the bathroom, maybe taking some food
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  Speaker 3: on and then just jumping back on and riding. Can't
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  Speaker 3: all run total cannonball run. Yeah, And I know people
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  Speaker 3: after that, you know, then chase that record and beat it,
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  Speaker 3: of course on two wheels. But just a cool bike,
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  Speaker 3: super comfortable. It's it's not even a seven hundred cc
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  Speaker 3: and it has no faring, which is you know, I
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  Speaker 3: have been riding bikes with farings of some kind for
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  Speaker 3: you know, at least after you know mini bikes and
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  Speaker 3: stuf so it's fun getting the bugs splattered all over you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a difference. It's a different experience. I
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  Speaker 1: actually because the MOTOGOTSI doesn't have the bike that I ride,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't have a fairing either, and it is an adjustment.
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  Speaker 1: You also find which helmets work better without farings. A
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  Speaker 1: shoe birth works really well without a fairing, it's like
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  Speaker 1: they design it for that. The helmets that I would wear,
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  Speaker 1: like the Adventure motorcycle helmets that I would wear with
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  Speaker 1: a big firing, they don't work well with the Motogootsy
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  Speaker 1: without a fairing. So you kind of learn those things
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  Speaker 1: along the way. I also like the fact that at
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  Speaker 1: higher speed you actually get this air pressure on your chest.
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  Speaker 1: It actually relieves some of the pressure of riding the bike,
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  Speaker 1: so you're actually being kind of supported by the air
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  Speaker 1: volume that's hitting you, as opposed to always supporting yourself
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  Speaker 1: on your hands with those bikes.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That's funny that you mentioned the helmets, because one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that I've noticed is that my awry adv
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  Speaker 3: helmet I can't remember which model it is. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the later models, you know, it has a visor
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  Speaker 3: and everything. Sure, that is the most quiet helmet without
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  Speaker 3: a fairing. Interesting, and I have an age GV carbon
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  Speaker 3: fiber one because I assumed without a fairing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm being an older guy, right, I want to have
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's lightweight helmet on my head, but that
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  Speaker 3: AGV and I tested them all out without using ear
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  Speaker 3: plugs because I usually ride with earplugs and the helmets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot more wind noise around this full face
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  Speaker 3: kind of racing helmet coming in, I can tell obviously
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  Speaker 3: once the ear plugs go in, it kind of drowns
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  Speaker 3: that out. It's definitely tell tale.
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  Speaker 1: You got to match the right helmet to that kind
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  Speaker 1: of adv helmet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny though.
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  Speaker 1: Those bikes, So for me personally, that would be a
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  Speaker 1: bike that I would be really inspired to purchase because
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  Speaker 1: there's something about them, and especially the R sixty because
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  Speaker 1: it still has the drum break in the front, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: You bet them?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So, which is of course terrifying, but there's something
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  Speaker 1: about that form with it it being a little bit
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: bigger bike than the earlier ones. Things are a little
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  Speaker 1: bit the brakes are a little bit better and all
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  Speaker 1: that than like an R fifty or earlier. And I
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  Speaker 1: really like the overall shape of that, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: tractor seat on it. And then Matt Scott just recently
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  Speaker 1: picked up a vintage BMW motor cycle. Was in our
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  Speaker 1: fifty or fifty Yeah, exactly, that's definitely it's becoming a thing.
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  Speaker 3: So and you know what the thing is once you
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  Speaker 3: ride one. I mean I'm riding mine to do chores, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: to go over to Santa Barbara and pick up The
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  Speaker 3: other day, I put almost two hundred kilometers on the
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  Speaker 3: bike going to pick up medicine for one of our
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  Speaker 3: dogs at a pharmacy where they compound this medicine for
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  Speaker 3: the dog. And then I decided to do a little
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  Speaker 3: scoot around and by the time I got back home,
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  Speaker 3: I had put two hundred km's on the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just fun, yeah, and I think it's rot I
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  Speaker 1: think that was something about the BMW's back then is
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  Speaker 1: that they were really reliable.
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  Speaker 2: They were actually very well made.
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  Speaker 1: Older vehicles or older motorcycles, they just really aren't particularly reliable,
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  Speaker 1: Like if you think about a black shadow or something
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  Speaker 1: like these like Norton's and stuff like that. They were
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  Speaker 1: trying early triumphs. It just really weren't that reliable of motorcycles,
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  Speaker 1: but the BMW's were.
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  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I have to admit that
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  Speaker 3: at first it's only as kickstart. I mean you can
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  Speaker 3: bump start it, by the way, yeah, which I'm a
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  Speaker 3: champ at from being a motor you motocross guy. At first,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, you know, what if the
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  Speaker 3: thing doesn't start and I kind of flood it and
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  Speaker 3: everything like that, I don't know, maybe maybe it the
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  Speaker 3: most is taken me like four kicks. So at first
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  Speaker 3: I was a little hesitant to just go out and
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  Speaker 3: a random public place where okay, what if there's no
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  Speaker 3: hill there are parking lot's dead flat? And then I
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  Speaker 3: got to like run my butt off to bump the thing.
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  Speaker 3: But that's never the case. It always fires off. That's awesome, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's kickstart. There's no other you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to be not pushing a button or doing anything.
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  Speaker 3: And I know it kind of gets me back to
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: really being not just analog but but in touch with
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: my surroundings.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Where do I park it?
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: How do I set it up so I can kickstart
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: it easy, you know. I mean, it's it's cool.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of everything on that bike. You can
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: service yourself as far as they ship on it.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: No, no zero.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: Well, this one actually we converted it to. We switched
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: it over to twelve volt and then put on an
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: electronic ignition and make it a little more reliable.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Although you know it probably helps with the starting. It
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: totally does.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: Although everything else that came out of it I just
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: put back in the box and literally, you know, in
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: half a day, I could turn it back over to
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: six volts. When I wrote it as a six volt,
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: I mean when you gas it, you could see, like
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: especially at night, like the headlamp would put out a
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: brighter bee and then you come off the gas and
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: then I'll send it with sure dim out and I
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: mean I can see how you know, back in the day,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: that was not the way to go ye oncoming cars
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: and things like. Wait. So now this has like a
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: super bright led in there that just stays you know, the.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks great. To segue into our next conversation.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You also had this custom millet aluminum machined little bracket
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: or a pocket watch installed on that bike.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that is right. So talk about that
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: a little bit because that looks so yeah. Now that
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I bought one, I can give it away, right. This
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: is Hoyer made this dash clock. Actually it looks like
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: a pocket watch, okay, but but it wasn't intended as one.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: They made this dash clock called the Navia. It was
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: intended for yachts, school buses, garbage trucks, locations where it's
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: it's shock proof and waterproof, which is different than actually
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: a dash timer where it doesn't have to have any
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: kind of water resistant or waterproof capability because it's inside
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: of a vehicle. Sure car this one was made so
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: that it might be exposed to the weather offshore racing
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: boats and stuff like this. Sure, I don't really know
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: how many hoy are made, but they were used on yachts,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: mostly speedboats things like that, and they just kind of
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: fallen into obscurity. Has an eight day mechanical movement, so
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: you got to wind it and then it'll stay going
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: mine for about seven days. It seems incredible, and so
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I thought that would be cool just to have this
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: sort of up by the speedo, which is a kilometer
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: per hour Speedo on the R sixty nine that I have,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: And so then I had Trevor Dunn over a dinocycle
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: in Santa Barbar area, and Glida machined a cool little
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: ear for it that just kind of mounts to It's
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: actually really cool because when.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I'm riding along and I want to know where I
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: got to be and.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: When I got to be there, and I can just
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: look at that thing and I don't have to fidget
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: with my left sleeve to try and look at my watch.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And I got this little analog waterproof clock there.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it is. It is cool.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: It's big enough, it's super cold eyes to be able
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: to read it. It's super cool, and yeah, it's it's
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: really nice.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I dig it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: We're finally going to get into watches a little bit here.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: We tried to do this the first Week podcast like
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: two years ago. And I think it's important to kind
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of preface that no one needs to buy an expensive watch.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: We're not suggesting even remotely that that's a good idea.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: There are some of us that have learned to appreciate
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: old watches. Sometimes they're expensive and sometimes they're not expensive
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: at all. The less expensive ones are better watches than
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the really expensive stuff. When you think about a watch
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: for travel, there's a couple things that come to mind.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: An analog watch just kind of takes a little bit
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of that electronic leash away from us. I do wear
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: an Apple Watch like when I exercise, but I've learned
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to stop wearing an Apple Watch for most of the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: time otherwise, although one exception to that, like on Sundays,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I try to just literally put my phone away, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the Apple Watch has cellular capability. If I get a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: text from a family member or whatever, or a phone
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: call from a family member comes through, I can still
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: receive that, but I don't interact with a phone at
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: all that day. So sometimes on a Sunday, I'll do that,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: so it gives me a little bit of a break
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: from the electronic leash. These analog watches, I think that
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of charm and they harken back.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: There's historical elements to them and significance to them that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think make them really special. And then there are,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: arguably there are brands of watches that are a form
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: of currency that we can carry on our person, because
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it's not like we're all walking around with ten thousand
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: dollars in cash. Most countries don't allow for very much
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: cash on your person, or at least it raises questions
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: if you have it, or why would you want to
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: expose yourself to that kind of risk, you know, with
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Cash in your pocket or your bag.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Whereas these watches are very easily convertible into cash, so
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you kind of can look at a like a Rolex Submariner,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: for example, as quite the get out of jail free card.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You could be in essentially any country in the world
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and there will be a watch shop that will gladly
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: give you a pile of cash for the watch that
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you're wearing, so that way you can buy a ticket home.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: We live in an interesting time right now. There's a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty and unexpected events that are happening that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is stranding velers.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: The pandemic did that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I myself was struggling to get back to the United States.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Now we have a conflict a war in Europe that
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is unsettling things, and it's pretty easy to get caught
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in a location where you may need to convert an
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: asset like that into getting out of jail free.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely I agree, although I will say that Domina,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: let all my friends pony up their watches first to
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: get out of jail, before then I pony up mine.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, but the other thing is depending on the
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: brand that you want to carry with you. Sometimes you
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: just want to take an adventure watch along because that's
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: what it was made for and you want to experience
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: somehow have it along for the ride. For me, now,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it kind of depends on where we're traveling, but I'll
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: carry something that's super nondescript, right, No, it just doesn't
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: stick out. I don't stick out in a crowd, at
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: least by the watch that I'm wearing. Other things indicators, clothing,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: other things, backpacks, things like that. Yeah, I agree. You know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: it can be converted to a currency. I mean, I've
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: sold watches as a grad student to use watch shops
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in Zurich, Switzerland when I was passing through or helping
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: out at the university there teaching needed some cash.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty easily, pretty easily convertible that an o
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: old like a cameras right, or in old like light's
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: glass for example.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and then when you have like
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars worth of Swiss frank So that goes
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a long way.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: As a grad student, it certainly does. What are you
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: wearing today?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Well, today I have a SIN one fifty eight. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: don't know how many they they made of these. It's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a recent main chronograph. Yeah, it's a chronograph. It's the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: it's an homage watch to the old Well started out
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: as a Hoyer and later Sin took over the repair
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: and production of them for the Bundesweer, the German Army.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: It's like a throwback the original ones, the ones made
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: by Hoyer, and then the ones that were taken over
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: by Sin to be repaired and later production ones had
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: a manual movement, so you had to wind them, okay
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: manually at the crown and so this one has a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: an automatic movement in it, which I prefer.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've come to enjoy the automatics.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I still forget that eight day clock
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: that I have on the motorcycle. That's definitely good for
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: me because I would totally forget to wind it and
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: then you know it all wrong.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You'll remember one one time in the five or six days,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I still do that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I have a few manually wound watches, and I still forget,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, a day and a half later, I'm like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: what's something's wrong with this thing. It's like, well, you're
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: just not wound, ye. But yeah, this is a cool watch.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: It has a good water resistancy to it. The crown
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't screw down, which isn't something I prefer. I'd rather
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: have a screw down crown. But it hasn't been a problem.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I know that now they have gaskets and everything that
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: are that surpassed what they had in the past. Sure,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and everything's going to be fine with it. And I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: do use the chrono for things. Usually it's something silly,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: not something like mister tactical cool guy. It's like timing
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: how long I cook pasta you know what's wrong with that, right,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: or something like that, or bake baking something.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I keep it, you know, going so I can track it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a fun watch, it's cool.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: The sins are certainly one that I've for a long
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: time really enjoyed. In fact, the first time I saw
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: one was on Patrick Maw's risk. So Patrick mob runs
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Prometheus Design Works. He had this sin on his wrist
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and I looked at it, I said, that is the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It was a eight five six, and there was something
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: very simple a steer about it. It had these big
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: numbers that I really liked, but I've never I haven't
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: bought one yet, So I ended up kind of because
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of being a traveler, I started to enjoy the gmts
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and that kind of thing.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And Sin has one of those they do they do
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: it's a UTC.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: It's a very cool watch, and so that one's kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of on the short list for me. Today, I'm actually
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: wearing a watch that my dad gave me, which is
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: one that I wear most often now. So it's a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: very early Saiko Chronograph. So this would be from very
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: late nineteen sixty nine into early seventy. I don't know
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: what exactly the timing that my dad's watch was made.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: For my birthday last year, we were all at the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: house and I was opening up. It was just a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: watch winder that I was going that I wanted to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: be able to keep the watches going the automatics, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: my dad says, you know, I've got a cool old watch,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and so he goes off twenty thirty minutes rummaging around,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and he comes back with this, say go, and it
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: turns out that it's just a very cool watch. It
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was actually the first automatic that was taken into space.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: One of the astronauts shoved it in.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: This pocket and that to test out how an automatic
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: chronograph would work in space, because up to that point
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it was just the Omega Speedmaster the Moonwatch that was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: certified for those missions, although a lot of those guys
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: did and they're manually wound, they are ye, and I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: think that that's why they were certified is that they
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: felt like as gravity and that changed, it wouldn't have
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: as much of an impact on the accuracy of the watch,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: or maybe no impact.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know the full story behind that, but.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of these guys were sticking watches, roll x's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and in this case of Sicho. So there was this
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: astronaut by the name of Pogue that shoved this Siko
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in his pocket and took it up and tested it
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: out in space, which I thought was very cool. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: it was also the watch that Bruce Lee wore. And
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm figuring all this out after I get
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: my watch from my dad. It's a blue dial, it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: an old school chronograph. It's got all the original scratches
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and that's cool, scuffed up crystal. And I took it
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in for service and the guy says, you know, it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: going to be expensive to service.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I said, it's my dad's watch. I can't really put
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a price on that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And I said, just don't change anything about it other
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: than fixing it, like make it mechanically sound. And I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: did buy a brand new, new old stock crystal. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: have it available case in case. The case itself is unpolished.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: All the scratches everything. My dad owned it since new
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: when he was in the Air Force. He bought it
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it when he was in Thailand. Every scratch on this
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: watch was done on my dad's wrists. So for me,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it's really special.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: That's classic.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wabi sabi, Yeah, exactly, a ja sneeze term, that's right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean every little ding and nick and scratch has
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: a story behind it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That maybe nobody even knows what story is. But it
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: was on a wrist when your dad was doing something.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: That's right somewhere, that's right. Yeah, that's that's that's important,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I think it is. Yeah, a lot of it,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: and it depends on the watch collector. I know a
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: lot of the military watch people military watch collectors want
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to leave it all alone.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm definitely a fan for that. I mean, there's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a whole point to it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: You know, get some watch that was maybe handed back
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: in after it was issued and then eventually it was
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: decommissioned and civilian gets a hold of it, You're not
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: going to really know why it has all these scratches
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: on it, but there's an importance there. There's like a
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: you know, it's transition to the next curator, the next owner. Sure,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: and when you wipe all that clean, well it's gone
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and you can't get it back.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: And you know, I know, like for example, the Rolex
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: five five to one sevens, which was a military it
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: was a sub mariner that was made specifically for the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Ministry of Defense and the British Ministry Defense Rolex five
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: five to one three that there was a civilian version
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of it, but there was also a military issue version
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: of it. And they had fixed bars. They weren't spring bars.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You know, most people's watches in the early days, when
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: people were sending them back to be serviced at Rolex,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: they were just being cut out that that fixed bar
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: because so you could only use like a NATO type band. Sure,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: in those you couldn't really. I guess you could clip
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: some kind of leather around it, and I know that
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: people did make way, yeah, or or with a little
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: some rivet or a screw or something, but really you
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: had to use like a nylon type of a band.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And Rolex was clipping those fixed spring bars out. It's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: not I mean a spring bar, just a fixed bar, sure,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and then putting in a spring are thinking I don't
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: know why.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: This was there, but we're going to just repair it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And so now you know, people write if they even
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: have it serviced at Rolex, they write letters in nothing
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: against Rolex, cause know that there weren't so many of
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: them made. So you know later on when some service
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: person is looking at that and they're like, a why
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: why somebody must have drift punched this thing through.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Sure, I just cut it out. Oh that's amazing.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Also, the crystals, you know, people would are okay with
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: maybe polishing out like a PLEXI crystal a little bit,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: but leaving in the scratches, sure, and all the little
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: marks and dings and stuff like.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a polishing compound that you mentioned the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: last time we got together.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: What was that that you liked to polly watch? Okay,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: that's for Plexi crystals. You could you do it at home,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: just with cotton balls. He'll still leave all the dings in,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: but it just kind of polishes everything out. It's easy
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: to do, like you know, in thirty seconds, you're done
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: using it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I did have the guy who did the servicing. Incidentally,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: he's right in Prescot, there's a Saco factory, super certified,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a little watch place, and he's great, and I said,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you know, clean up the crystal a little bit, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you know, just so it could be easier to see,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: because there was definitely a film that it kind of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: developed on the crystal that made it pretty hard to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: see at certain angles. And so he was able to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: get that film off probably you know, using some compound,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: but all the scratches and stuff.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Are still there, which is that's the best. Yeah, so
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: it's really amazing. Also makes it say you're not so
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: afraid to scratch it too. Yeah, no, that's true.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you get something so cherry.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that happens, especially if you've collected some
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: watch that's rare, hard to find, or you know whatever
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: or a sentimental watch, or he has a couple of
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: dings on it, you're okay ding in it a little
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: bit more, Yeah, that happens.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And what's your favorite of your collection or a couple favorites.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That's a hard question. You know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I have some that I never wear because they just
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: acquired them back when they were affordable and now, like
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I know, I would never be able to afford that
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: watch again, So they're like one I wear out like
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: to dinner once in a while. Sure, which kind of
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: goes against the you know, don't be afraid to get
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: dings and stuff on it, But there's one thing when
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you know that the crystals aren't available or they're you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: you're not going to buy like a crown. You don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: get on eBay or some other auction site and just
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: find a replacement crown after you have dinged it. So
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I've become a little more conscious of that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: It's one of my favorites, like go to well, I
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: would say I'm not letting the cat out of the
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: bag here, but one of my favorite watches has to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: be and I think we talked about this when you
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: were out visiting not long ago, the Siko it's a
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: six three zero six, seven thousand and one.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: That's the model number. Sounds like I know all these things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I just know that one because it's my favorite, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I actually wrote about that in that travel Watch article.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So it's the Japanese market only version of that super
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: ubiquitous one hundred and fifty meters dive watched Saiko made.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I mean every PX all over the planet carried them
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: for people in the military. Any watch shop had one
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of those Saiko divers, and everyone, well not everyone, but
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: most people know them, especially by sites.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: That's a chunky case too. Yeah. Bezels were easily offset crown. Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's at the four o'clock position, and the bezels
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: can be you you can with glove, motorcycle gloves, scuba
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: diving gloves. You know, back then, the early ones, earlier ones,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: they were bi directional, so the bezel went both directions,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: and I know that the scuba crowd didn't favor that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: You know, the early Rolexes had that too. I've never
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: had one bounce around on me while diving, because obviously
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: you want to make sure you're keeping track of your time,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: sure curately, but they had that bi directional bezel. The
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: parts out there are quite ubiquitous except for the Japanese market.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: One had a really cool high beat movement that hacked,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and that was the cool feature that the rest of
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the other ninety nine percent of them out there did
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: not have. I'm not sure what the what the philosophy
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: was with Taiko for that other than something cool for
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the domestic market. But the other thing cool about it
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is they had a kanji and English day wheel. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I say Monday and then it has the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: kanji or for Monday and Tuesday, et cetera.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So it has both.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it kind of flips through if you
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: said it on the English setting, then it rolls through
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the kanji around midnight or so, and it just pops
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: up with you know, goes from Monday to Tuesday. If
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: you were awake at midnight, you'd see that the kanji
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: would kind of pass buy and then it immediately says
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Tuesday for example. Great, you know what would be the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: twenty four hours of the rotation. But it's just a
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: really super cool watch. They're not expensive, and you could
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: find them.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Out like twelve hundred bucks or so.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, even cheaper if they're kind of beat up. And
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: the thing is that the crystals for those are out there,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the bezel inserts are out there, the bezels are out there.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: You don't have to really be a sleuth or know
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: a guy who knows a guy who knows a gal
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: who has a friend to come up with the parts
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the crowns. I mean, so for all the other ninety
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: nine percent of those seikoh one to fifty divers, they're
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: all out there at watch repair places and can be found.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And so I think that's like one of the cooler watches.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: They're easy to read the dials. I mean, you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: if you have bad eyes, you know, or you're getting
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: your visions starting to go like mine for close up stuff,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it's easy to read the time. They are quite ubiquitous
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: in the fact that when you're out there and somebody
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: sees that on your wrist, they'll probably assume that you're
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: a person of some physical means, like you like to
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: do active action person things. But most people know, oh,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: that's not an expensive watch. Sure, so to bail yourself
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: out of you know, get out of jail, you're not
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: going to be you know, the watch guy and the silk's.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Going to go oh, maybe five hundred bucks, knowing they'll
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: turn around and sell for a thousand.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's one of my faves, I have to say,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's not going along the lines.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Of most watch people know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It's on my watch Switzerland, It's on my It's on
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: my watch watch list. Yeah, i'veoking I've been looking for
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: one that's a little bit on the cleaner side, and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I definitely find it to be interesting, for sure, But.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Don't be afraid to find one that's not on the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: clean side and then just have it cleaned up by
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: especially of a sacoh repair person sure here in Reskin.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I've thought about that for sure. And probably
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the watch I've worn the most, which I got before
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I even thought about watches other than just as purely
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a tool. So this is a Trazer H three Automatic
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and I got this watch just when I was starting
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Expedition seven because of John Lee. In fact, I would
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: say that most of my interest in watches came first
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: from John Lee and Ho Chung at Expedition Exchange because
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they always had interesting one watches and I just I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: could never afford one, or I wouldn't apply the resources
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to buying a watch like that, and they sold Trazers,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: so we kind of got used to the brand, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: then we ended up reaching out to them and doing
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit of work with Trazer, and I was
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: able to get.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: This automatic and it is beat. It is really beat.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But that's because it has gone with me around the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: world three times and it's totally most of the numbers
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: are all whacked and everything like that. I mean, just
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: because I didn't think of it as being precious in
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: any way. And they're not that expensive new either, around
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: one thousand bucks twelve hundred bucks or so. And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: put it on a Nato band and I just I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: literally beat it up on all seven contents.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's fine.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: It's got twenty four hour dial on the enterring there
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and oh that's cool.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It's a really simple watch. So I think the Trasers
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is one that I do like. Swiss brand in fact,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and I was going through Switzerland, I was able to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: stop and go in and say hello to the Traser
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: folks and get a sense for their operation. Really impressive company.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And then I think that one of the most handsome
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: watches is that Omega Speedmaster the Moonwatt. It is probably
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a good investment as well. The first nice watch that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I bought was around the ten year anniversary of Overland Journal.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But I've always wanted to get an Omega. So I
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: waited and I waited, and I bought a Omega speed Master.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: And this is the craziest story though. Matt Scott sends
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: me a text he says, I just bought an Omega
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: speed Master and he shows picture comes through and I'm like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you got to be joking, I said, because and I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: sent him a picture back I had just bought. We
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: bought Omega speed Masters on the exact same day. Unbeknownst
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to each other. We had no idea casino that day.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: We should have gone. How crazy is that?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So that's definitely a really beautiful watch. It's a manual wound.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's probably not the best watch. In fact, I would
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: say it is not nearly or even in the spectrum
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of best watch for travel because it is not waterproof,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and I think that life happens when you're out overlanding,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and that's something to very much keep in mind. It
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is just a really handsome watch that is not really
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: identifiable to most people.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: They don't see it as a.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: You know it in otherwise for it just kind of
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: disappears on on your wrist.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Well, any other watch brands that come to me. You
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: have a good friend of yours ex Special Forces that
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: started making watches.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Is it the Resco brand?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Resco Yeah, Resco Instruments, Yeah. Robert Smith, Well, it was
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: kind of funny how we all met. But you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: in the early days of the Military Watch Resource MWR,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: you know, we just all we had an online forum.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I mean it was pure geekdom percent and nobody we
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: just met there online. You know, it was early days
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: of chat rooms. I mean it was so stilted and
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: there weren't too many options to do anything. You know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: you couldn't edit your response or whatever, and it just
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: kind of peeled out sort of you know, paragraph style
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: with chat everyone had. Most people had their name just
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: spelled with lowercase letters as the handle, like I went
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: by Brian, the owner of it went by Bob, and
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Smitty Robert Smith his nickname Smitty. He went by Smitty,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and so nobody knew what anyone did. We just you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: talked about watches, collecting dive watches and military watches, things
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: like this. And then at one of our first meetings,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you know, it was kind of like, hey, so what
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: do you do? I'm an archaeolonder, Just hey, what do
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: you do? I'm a Navy's deal really like you were
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a nave seal. No, I'm still in I'm a Navy seal.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And then it was just a Navy seal who who's
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: a hardcore watch collector. And later on during his career
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: in the Naval Special Warfare, he started making his own
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: dive watches and I mean talk about going for it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: So his it's cool.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: You know, he's in that let's say price range where
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: people can afford it, you know. I mean, now a
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: lot of the watches are just they're in the stratosphere
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: really as far as the price is unattainable, and also
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna wear them and beat them up a
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: little bit then you know, I mean I always take
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: that into account, like, hey, that ga that watch would
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: be great, but you know, once I ding it. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: then now as far as like a collector piece, sure
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: or something that I would think about selling down the line,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I don't really have too many that I have in
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that category anymore. Everything I have has to be worn
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: or you know, I'm getting rid of it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Anyway, his his watches are really great. He has sports
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: stuff which allows him to have a different price point
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: for some people that maybe can't go into the four
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: digits of of you know, a watch, and then also
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: automatic movements, cool dials, all of his stuff. I mean
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: he tested it, you know, way back in the day
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: for real sure, and then he still has frontline people,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: tier one operators using the stuff and getting back to
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: him with comments, and so it's it's cool.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: You know his stuff's made. Yeah, it does look it
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: does look great.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: And then you know there's other brands too that I
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: think have come along with kind of like saying, oh
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I own a Ferrari. I don't own a Ferrari, but
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you know, like saying, oh I own a Rolex, And
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: there's a certain thing that pops in most people's mind
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: right when you say that. But at the same time,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: their watches are made to just be flogged. Yeah, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you can't get around that. And you know, they are expensive,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and I know plenty of people out there will not
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: even if they could afford it, couldn't justify wearing something
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: on their wrist that's five six, seven, eight, ten thousand,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: dollars of a dive watch. Sure, when it could get lost, dinged, stolen,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you put it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Down for where is it now?
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: You know you can't you know, you don't know where
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you put it disappears when you're traveling. I totally appreciate that,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: but you can't get over the fact that their stuff
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: is really bomb proof.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And that's the fact.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a Rolex, I've watched, GMT, whatever you want to
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: call it. These are all really really well made watches,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and they can be a decent investment.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't lose their value. Yeah, I mean that's
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. I mean, even if you have like
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: an early sub mariner yeah, I mean those now, or
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: an early sea dweller, I mean it's off the charts,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: or of Daytona if you happen to have, yeahright, if
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you can find a Daytona or especially the super old ones. Yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you know there's someone who collects the real old ones
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and they're they're just they're cool.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very cool.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And if you buy it, then you know, six months
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: later you're like, eh, you know it's not I don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: like wearing it, or it just doesn't look right on
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: my wrist or sure, you want to clear some cash.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Guarantee you can turn around and sell it for more
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: than you paid for it. Yeah, in most cases, in
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: most cases.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And what I do because I do want to be
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: able to enjoy them, so I insure them all. I
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: have a personal articles policy. You can talk to your
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: insurance agent. You can ensure it for full replacement value.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's expensive to have the policy, especially if you have
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: multiple watches. But what I didn't want to have happen
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was that I wouldn't wear the watch because I was
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: worried about losing it exactly, or getting stolen in this
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: case for any reason. If the watch disappears, you can
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: get your money back to go buy another one. And
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: so that that's something that I would recommend. If you're
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: going to really take an expensive watch with you anywhere
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in the world, or even into a big city in the.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: United States, it's probably a good idea too.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, we were we were on a motorcycle ride
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: with some friends and we get to the top, you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: we were riding fast, twisty mountain road in southern California,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and we get to the top where we all kind
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of pull off, and he's like, you could see him
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: frantically looking around and he's, you know, checking in things,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and and he says, my watch is gone. And just
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: because of how hard he was riding, his role x
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: came off his wrist at some point on the climb
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and the watch was gone and it was a nice rolex.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Somebody found it probably or they will at some point
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: in the future. It'll be perfectly fine. Yeah, exactly. Pretty
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: amazing though. Well, that's so that's fun. We finally got
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: to talk about watches. Yeah, I mean it's it's you know,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: it's a cool topic.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I still see myself as the current curator of the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: watches that I have. Yeah, I don't have that many
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: of them anymore, but I kind of take that seriously, like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you know, they will be passed on or sold on
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: to the next person. And maybe that's just the archaeologist
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and me about taking care of the taking care of
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: the artifact and making sure that when it goes on
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: to the next generation or the next person that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: It's totally agree taking care and another good resource for
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: watches too. It's something that I've just personally come to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: enjoy is the Hodinky brand of They've got a beautiful
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: print magazine. For those that are watching on YouTube, you
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: can see this. Just like Overland Journal, Perfect Bound, beautiful book.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: They've got a couple podcasts. One of them that I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: really like is the Grynado podcast. Jason Heaton and James
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Stacey are the hosts of that and they're into overlanding.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: One of them's got a Defender. They're adventurous guys that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: talk about adventurous watches and I enjoy that podcast a lot.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So for those looking to find out more information about watches,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they can do that. And then you wrote an article
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: a year or so back for Overland Journal where you
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: talked about a lot of those watches as.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe two years ago somewhere, Yeah, I think so.
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• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I think we want to kind of riff a little
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: bit on kind of everyday carry travel stuff because I've
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: definitely found that in well, in the beginning of overlanding,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: we all wore like an ex officio, baggy khaki colored
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Sure I did, many people didn't. Yeah, well you were
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: smarter than me, and you still are.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I mean I looked like I was a zoo keeper,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: you know, driving the White Rim Trail in Utah, which
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: there are certainly performance aspects of it, which is probably
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: how I justified that very lame decision. When I travel internationally, now,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to stand out like a zoo keeper
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in some foreign country. So I have definitely started to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: tailor my clothing and the things that I wear towards
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: blending in a little bit more. I mean, I'm a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: big person, so I automatically stand out. So things that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I can do to to kind of blend in it
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: allows me to better have an experience where I'm not
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the center of attention or standing out in a certain
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: way that might elicit a response.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: That one time member in Kenya. Yeah, and that definitely
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: because of your stature. Yeah, that was It was intimidating.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, like like on the on the verge of
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a thing, get interested.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: It was real.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It was getting spicy for sure.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And again I was wearing kind of this it looked
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: more military. I mean I had like a khaki pair
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: of pants on and this dark gray shirt. And I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: definitely and we got called out on that a lot
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: by the Kenyans. Even the Kenyan military or the police
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: kept telling us we had to disclose our mission. That
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: was a real lesson in look like a tourist or
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: look like a local, but don't look like an operator
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in a country. So I've definitely changed a lot of
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: my clothing around that, and I don't wear that stuff anymore.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: I always carry in a Loha shirt. And I think
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: when we had that episode, I was wearing my green
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: and white looks like I just got off the plane
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: on Maui to.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Go for a two week vacation. Yeah, and that was
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the right call. That was the right call.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: So now like actually one of my favorite shirts and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I bring it with me every time I travel. So
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Lululemon makes this this blue Oxford. It's stretchy, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: comfortable material, it doesn't wrinkle. I roll it up and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I take it with me on every single trip because
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes you got to go into the consulate, or you're
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: going out to a nice dinner, or you just you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: want to just dress at a different level. I've got
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a collared shirt with me that's super comfortable. Performance fabric
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't carry a lot of odor. It's not cotton, so
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: if you get a little bit wet, you know it's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: not It dries easily. You can wash it in the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: sink in the hotel room. I think bringing along in Oxford.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Now you you had a different Oxford that you.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: A couple of my archaeology friends we still talk about it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Brooks Brothers, I don't know if they still make them.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I still have mine, so I don't need any new ones.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: But Brooks Brothers made an all one hundred percent cotton Oxford.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: There was a short sleeve and a long sleeve, different colors.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent cotton, but it always looks like
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: it's no wrinkle. It looks like it's been laundered, as in,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: you know, with the creases down the sleeve. So whenever
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you had to look squared away, whatever it was, even
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: going like you said, going in the consolate, going out
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: to dinner, meeting maybe the people that are funding your
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: archaeological project. For me, it's like meeting clients in the
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: field where I can't just roll up with the ratty
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: T shirt all the time, super cool long sleeve, so
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you know, when you're out in the sun. Now there's
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: no UV as far as I know, with those, there's
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: no UV protection. But you know, obviously back it up
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: a sunscreen. But they have collar, and you know you
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: can that's button down collar, by the way, so you
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: ever had to wear like a tie, you're squared away
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: with that. But you can also unbutton the collar and
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: then fold it up, flip it up so that you
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: have your neck more protected, and those things. A few
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: of us swear by them, just because you can, you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: wear it on the plane. You can have it scrunched
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: up into a ball in your bag. It doesn't matter
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: you take it out. You know, it's cotton, so it'll
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: carry some odor after a while, yeah, but it doesn't.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: It doesn't carry for me anyway as much as things
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: like the synthetic material.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of synthetic material, I really do like synthetics
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: when I'm actively traveling, But when I fly or I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: on a small aircraft or whatever, I have really avoided
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: wearing any kind of synthetic because there is an accident
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and there is a fire, something like this wool jacket
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that we got from Prometheus Design works. It's a heavy
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: wool coat and there is a lot of fire resistance
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in wool, so it may be just enough to throw
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: it up over your head and get out through the flames,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: whereas synthetic will just bake down, literally melt onto your body.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Having been a firefighter and been on several aircraft crashes,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it's incredible. Sometimes people do survive those things. If you
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: can limit the burns to your body, that makes a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: big difference. So wearing natural fibers cotton is okay, wool
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: is best. So I'll typically wear like a wool Henley
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and then some kind of a wool coat like this
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: one that I'm wearing now.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I mean nowadays with the Marina Wool products that are
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: out there so good. I think we talked about this
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: at minor length last time last podcast, but I swear
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: by Marina Wool. Every type of shirt that you could
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: think of is T shirt style to collared shirts, stuff
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: everything in between. There must be a dozen companies of
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: not more that are making stuff that's super superquality, looks
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: super sharp. I find that it doesn't really that much
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: so when it is kind of crunched in into the
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: bottom of your bag, or you know, you had to
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: wear it one night and roll it up and then
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: two days later pull it back out again. Sure, especially
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: if you got like, you know, the steamy shower somewhere
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: or any humid locales and you put it out and
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: that thing looks totally fine.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: It totally does.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: You don't take on odor, which is important, you know people,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: it's like one of those you know, people don't like
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to talk about it, but when you're traveling and you
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: can't get to the laundromat the laundrette, you know, or
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: it's not even available, you're really on the road where
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: it is, just washing it in water wherever you can
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: find it. Yep, that's a cool material. Beanies made from
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: that are really great. Also Marina wool. I like it
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: because you can layer it. You know, it's not super thick.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: It's not like having some super old school sweater. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: you can have different different layers of it on.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That Henley that I have a bunch of them.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Usually would just wear black Henley's because it doesn't show
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: stains and stuff. But Triple Lot designs cells. They're made
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in the United States. Yeah, Marino Wool, Henley's, and they
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: just they're easy to own and I traveled them in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: them almost exclusively. They're great for on the plane because
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you get a little bit of protection from the cold
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff when you're flying. So those are just my
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: go to. And then Triple Lot Design also makes a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: button up wole shirt. They can be a little bit warm,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: so you're going to be going to colder climbs or
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: more kind of temperate climbs, but they're a nice wool
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: button up shirt. They're great, I mean, they really do.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: And they're again made in the United States. Small company,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that bunch of Overlanders that work there. They're pretty passionate
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: about what we do, so it seems like a good
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: company to support.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Excellent company and quality material. You know that you can't.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: You can even repair them, you know, especially like the
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: ones that are black or dark blue. I have a
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: couple of tears like in the side, just from wearing
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: it and share snagging on stuff, and you can kind
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: of fix it with your own little little sewing kit
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and it looks fine totally.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: You know, somebody's not going to call you out for it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Well, And of course I wear a wool cap everywhere
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I go. And the reason why I wear a wool
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: cap is because I'm bald. So for those that are
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: because it's fun.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: For those that are curious about, like why I always
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: wear this hat, it's because I'm always bumping into something
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: with my head, so I do wear it's a thick wall.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's they're made in Ireland. The name actually escapes to me.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll maybe I'll look real quick here. So it
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: is the Boyne Valley nitwear made in Ireland. They're you know,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: they're forty fifty bucks. But they're pretty thick, so I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: could bounce my cranium off them as a brim on
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: it in it does, and it's they actually do super
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: well in the rain, so I don't really worry about
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the rain with them. Yeah, they last literally forever. The
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: only time I've had to buy other ones is because
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I've lost them, I've left them somewhere, but they literally
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: last forever and where I'm almost every single day. And
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that I've got some sun protection
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: on my bald head, but that you don't stand out
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: again like the tourists. So wearing a baseball cap in
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: most of the world is not common, Like people don't
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: tend to wear baseball caps outside of North America, so
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: you stand out as someone that's not local, whereas a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: black wool cap they don't even notice.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: It would be the taxi driver, you know. Yeah, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: mean going to work, Yeah, totally.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I mean I can be in Reikievic and they're going
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to start talking to me in Icelandic, and I could
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: be somewhere in northern part of France and they're going
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to speak to me in French because I look more
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: like a local when you're not not dressed like a tourist.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: No, definitely, I agree. You know, I have that gray one.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I decided not to wear it, you know, so they
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: we don't have the dueling flat cap thing going on.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: We looked like a couple of Uber drivers. It sticks
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: out like so I still like it. You know, I
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: have I have issues. You know that I have to
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: pay attention to regarding sun on my skin and stuff
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, just because I'm out out in
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the sun all the time for work, I wouldn't wear
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: it like out in the heat of the day. Yeah, sure,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: but you know in the evenings I like. I like
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: having a little head cover on.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I do need to find one that's that's a little
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: bit better for the heat, because if it is real,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I like hot conditions. I prefer to be warm then cold,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't typically bother me. But when it's really
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: hot out a black wool cap, you do feel it,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: you do start to sweat.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Well, no, yeah, you start to know something else I
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: want to riff on. I'm not promoting anyone's product. I
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: don't really think that they're out there are hooded down vests.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Do an Internet search, you will come up with either stuff.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: It's like in the twenty dollars range that's purely just
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: for show, and maybe one or two companies out there
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: that have a hooded down vest.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. If I got to.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Talk to Patrick maw about this, sure, but you know
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: there's there's I swear by my down vests just as
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: a backup, as a backup pillow. Wear it in the
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: sleeping bag. It falls in, it's just a little bit
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: too cold, and you know it gets me to the
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: next level. You know, if you'd have to keep the
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: core warm when you're riding your motorcycle, I mean, that's
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: like it's money. I won't say they've fallen out of favor,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: because you still you see people wearing them. But I
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: think like the technical hooded vest needs to be addressed
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: on blay where you just know you're going to be
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: standing there for three hours while your buddies are climbing
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: and you just got to throw something on and it's
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: keeping core warm and then maybe flip it up over
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: your neck or over your head and the elements and
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: kind of stay out while you're doing your thing and
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: you got your marina wool underneath.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, we got to explore that. I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: think I think it's a challenge.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, and probably like about a year
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and a half ago, I would have pushed back on it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they are in favor I got
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: one trip a lot started to make a down vest
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and I picked one up, and that's what I use
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: it for. I use it on the motorcycle to keep
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the core warm. I don't tend to wear heated gear.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's super compact, so yeah, you can use it as
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: a pillow if you've got a shell on, usually because
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the shell does a great job of.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Blocking the wind and usually in the rain, et cetera.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: But you need to still have a little bit of insulation.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And my arms don't tend to get cold, my core will.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: So you're right, you can't lose keeping the core warm.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. Yeah, so I would. I would
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: have probably pushed back is like, why not have the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: whole down jacket so you have a like you can
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: bring one thing along. But I think when you pair
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it as a layer with other things, they're super functional.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: And I don't even have one to talk about. I've
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: found a few out there.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, take a look at Tad just came out
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: with a wool or maybe it's a performance it's either
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a performance not woll excuse me, it's a performance down
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just a basic best shell. I think it's
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: got a little bit of dw R on it blacked
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: super understated. I think it's down or maybe it's a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: synthetic material.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Fill aim for the hoodie one. It isn't.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: It isn't hooded. That's all right, I got you. So
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that's the whole package you got at. That's yeah, that's
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: for sure. There's a couple of things that you know
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that we use. I mean, I I've talked about these before,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: but these American optical sunglasses, you know, they I buy
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: them myself. They're not sponsored or anything like that, but
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: they're only seventy bucks for an American made glass or
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you can get you know, shatter resistant. They're just super
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: simple and they're really nice American made sunglasses for seventy bucks.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: It also is a currency too, by the way, I found,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: like when you tend to buy yourself by your way
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: out of jail. But you know, since you know it's replaceable,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: you know, if you have to pass it on to somebody.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you can. Yeah, I know that's true.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: For that border guard, thanks for you know, yeah, looking
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: you up in some way.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. No, that makes sense.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You can carry a couple of them and when they're
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: seventy bucks, you're able to buy a couple not.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Gonna lose sleep, Yeah, exactly, And you could probably pick
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: up a cheap pair of sunglasses somewhere until you get
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: back home.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Anything else come to mind on kind of the daily
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: carry stuff.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when I travel where it's not just like
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: you know, coming from California over to Arizona. In my
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: own gear, I always have tire pressure gauge and a
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: pencil and a sharpie.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Oh there you go. Yeah, sharpie is a good call.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: And I even reused some little carrier that has a
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: velcro on the back so you can kind of stick
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: it in a car like a rental car. The tire
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: pressure gauges that I that I always have with me
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: have PSI and also bar sure, and you know for
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you know, if you're comfortable with
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: one or the other, and I am. But you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: if I have to show somebody, especially when you're in
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the America as we'll say North America, you know, hey,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I want to run my tires at thirty two PSI,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: you know, and they only know a bar. You have
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: to be able to show them. Yeah, a little mars.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: What is it? Fourteen? Point two psi per bar or
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: something like that, so it'll be like one point.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I mean actually some sometimes the little markers it's hard
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: to like, yeah, like it for a tire pressure gauge,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: it's only in bar. I prefer that if we're only
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: working in barometric pressure. Sure, but I always have that.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: For example, when and even if we're renting a car
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: in Western Europe, first thing I do is a walk
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: around on the apple doesn't I don't care if they
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: just told me now there's no dings, everything's fine. At
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the rental agency at the Frankfurt airport, always do a
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: walk around. I always make sure that there's a spare.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: I always make sure the spare has as much air
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: as the rears are going to ensure. I mean it
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: sounds geeky, but totally true. It's after getting burned a
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: bunch of times with you know, having notes, you.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Can waste a half a day of your vacation easily.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to get it if you're working, you know,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: like hey, now what, Yeah, that's the one thing I
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: always have. And pencils obviously can write on almost anything right,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: and the sharp as well, So if I have to
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: make notes on something, I always have that some kind
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: of I still favor the original Leatherman tool, but a
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: multi tool. And I don't mean the ones where there's
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: so many things on it that you know, you can't
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: remember how to pull out the bottle over there, but
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: just the basic ones that have like the pliers, the wirecutter,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: you know, like a Phillips type screwdriver, the like one
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: or two of the blade screwdrivers and maybe just a
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: knife blade. I still care though, one of those on
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: every trip because something will come.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Up, something you need to set applier.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: It could be the hotel room just the titan shower curtain,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: you know, or it could be in the the you know,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: the rig that you know, somebody said, oh, everything's fine.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: You know you're going to be getting this one ten
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: land rover, and we had our guy go through it
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: and the first thing, you know, you get in there
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: and then like the door latch doesn't work, or you
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: got to tighten down you know, some band clamp on something.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Totally, it happens. It does happen. You can't make this
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff up.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, those are my solid, you know, go tosh
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: good suggestions.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this a little bit on the
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: podcast before. But I think one of the things as
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: travelers is coming to terms with the limited amount of
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: stuff that we actually need. I think it's it's easy
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: to get attached to the stuff that we travel with,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: or think that we need this laundry list of everyday
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: carry or that we've got to have everything that we
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: might possibly need. In most places of the world, those
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: people need the same things too, and you can find them,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: you can borrow them, you can ask for help. Once
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I kind of change my mindset and realize what I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: really need is a way to communicate Kate and navigate,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: which our phones do both. Now the phones have a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: flashlight on them as well. And then I need to
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: be able to pay for things like let's say I've
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: lost all of my luggage and all I've got is
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: what's on my person. You can buy stuff for cheap
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. I mean, you're not going to
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: go necessarily get the brand names you want or whatever.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: But if you've got a way to pay for stuff,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: so you're going to want to have a couple of
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: days where the cash on you in the local currency,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: if you've got a credit card. So if we've got
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: our passport, our phone, and a means of commerce. Then
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: we're set everything else we got to be prepared for
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: it to disappear, get lost in the luggage of the plane,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and it just doesn't show up. I've seen so many
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: travelers just kind of lose their way on their trip
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: because something was missing, or that they didn't have something
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: that they thought they needed, or something broke, maybe that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: they brought along that they really had a lot of
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: expectation around. So I think letting go of these expectations,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: just realizing that the adventure, the unpredictability of travel is
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: the reason why we're traveling, and kind of keeping those
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: few items that we know that we need close to
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the vest. I do also like to bring along a
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: garment in reach, because if you lose local cellular which
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: does happen a lot in the developing world, your family
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: may not understand what's going on, or you may not
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: be able to communicate. But having a garment in reach,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: they've got these minis. They literally fit in your pocket
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: and you now have a means of satellite communication. Anything
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: goes wrong, could get it caught in a sudden war zone,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: which has happened. I mean, I was right at the
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: border of Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, and all of a sudden
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the war broke out in the Fargana Valley and they
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: weren't going to let me into the country. I was
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: stuck at the border, and being able to communicate via
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: satellite allowed us to resolve that problem. But it's just
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: a recognition that we should be able to communicate, we
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: should be able to pay for things that we need,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and we should be able to have you know, our identification,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: our passport on us.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and even back up somehow photocopy of your past
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: or address and phone number of consolates, you know, appropriate
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: consulates and embassies for whatever passport you do carry yep
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: in whatever country or in stuff like that. But that
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: can be on the little piece of paper stuff in
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: your pocket, and you can.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Have copies of your passport on your phone, photographs. You
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: can have it up in the cloud as well, so
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: that way you can get and have it family back home. Yeah, definitely,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of the different angles to it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I found that overcoming adversity when you're traveling,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it's like part of the fund once you get over
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: the initial Oh my god, this is so lame. Yeah,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: then you just go wait a second, this is probably
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: going to be cool. One time I was working in Peru.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: We were teaching a high angle rope rescue course in
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Machu Pichu, all cool places to be doing that kind
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of you know, no doubt course, And so in Kuzco,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: as it turned out, there were a lot of jokes
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that went around about the fact that I lost my
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: little It was like the little visa stamp that went.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: It was a separate piece of paper that went in
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the passport when we landed in Sure, and so I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: had to go get a replacement and there we are
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: in Cusco and meanwhile, you know, we had it like
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: two days of downtime and Husco's a cool place, super
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: so everyone else kind of wandered off. And one of
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: my friends, he's a French Canadian, Charles, He's like, nah,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I'll go with you. And it was like this whole
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: adventure throughout Cusco because he went to the office where
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: we're supposed to get this replacement stamp and then it
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: was closed and then they told us where to go.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: But we got there and.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: It was like lunchtime and it just turned into this
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: whole adventure walking around Cusco, you know, in whatever, twelve
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: three hundred feet up sea level, huffing it around. It
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: was just a cool day of trying to overcome adversity.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Of course, we ended up getting you know, I ended
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: up getting this stamp put back in my passport so
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: that you know, we could identify who I was and
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: what I was supposed to be doing there and all
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. Sure, and it was a hotel
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: that pointed it out when we handed in our passports,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: you know, they're like, hey, where's this little stamp thing.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: But it was like a whole day of us just
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: running around and it was cool, and it was something
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: we did obviously didn't count on, but it was fun.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: It's it's almost like, in the moment, maybe some people
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: feel anxiety, maybe some people feel frustration, maybe they feel
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: like that their plans have changed.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: But if we can just.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Reassure ourselves that in the future, our future self will
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: look back at that adventure, of course, from a place
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: of tranquility, like you and I are sitting here talking
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: on a podcast. I think Cahill said something similar to
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that in one of his books of looking back on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: these adventures from a place of tranquility.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: They are charming.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Like these experiences, we look back on them and they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: are They're wonderful, and we learn from them and they
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: make us smile. In the moment, we feel frustrated. But
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: if we keep reassuring ourselves in the future, we're going
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: to look back on this or we're going to be
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: so stoked that it happened. But it doesn't feel like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: that in the moment, for sure.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when you have to kind of overcome it
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: immediately and see things from what they are and assess
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: your surroundings and your situation and go, wait a second,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I'm totally cool. Everything's fine. I don't have my luggage,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: but you know, I'm wearing some clothes and I'll just
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: buy a local T shirt exactly or whatever. And I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: see everyone wears that kind of hat. I'll get one
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: of those who're probably blending in better than anyone in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: your travel party.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not getting too attached to an outcome, letting the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: adventure unfold as it's supposed.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: To, and you can tell yourself positive things like I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: always wanted to replace that bag anyway or whatever. For sure,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: it's a good excuse to getting myself a filsin or something.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, well, Brian, somehow we have managed to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: not cover all the topics that we wanted to do
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: where it's always how it is, but I love it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: That means we get to have podcast number four. Are
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: there any new books? Is there anything you're jamming on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: right now? New podcasts, something that you're really enjoying.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I'm still into the beat. I keep listening to them
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: over and over. The BBC History of the World podcasts
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: like fifteen or twenty minutes long each and they cover
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: very unique topics. They're in the bandwidth as far as
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: the time and the information where you suggestion, we can retain.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: A lot of it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Super cool, super cool and especially on a road trip,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: great to listen to. I think every every topic is
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: maybe at the most a half hour of the topic,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: and the narrator's cool. Any anytime there's like a British voice,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: of course, I always pay attention a little bit better.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a colonial thing.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I think it works. It totally works.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's good for as far as reading other
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: than like just boring things that'll put you to sleep.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: For archaeological reports that I'm preparing the trackdown. I believe
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: it's published by BMW, but it's history of GS and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: I want to say it covered the first thirty years
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: oka of it. And I found that when I was
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: doing some research for the Overland Journal article, and I
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: still go to that. I'm really intrigued by the early
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: ISDT Airhead twins. You like pregs. Okay, what else is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: happening these days?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of websites that I like checking in
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: on just to see what for motorcycles, Bike EXIF, Oh yeah, excellent,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you know stuff that's going on there, especially from Eastern Europe.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Some of the makers. It's not just of custom bikes,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: but then they have products for sale that are just
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: insane cool controls, you know, aftermarket stuff obviously, but just
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: thinking way outside the box and influenced by their own
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: motorcycle history and trajectory, which is different than you know
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: what I would say as a guy from SoCal growing
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: up in the motocross desert kind of world. Sure their
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: background into motorcycles is different.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Yep. No, And so anyway, that's a good.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Suggest you have bike X if they've just got beautiful
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: motorcycles on there.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the photography. I think it's one of the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: things you can't send in Kredi Kreddy Imagery.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Super good. Yeah, it's super good. Well, it's funny that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: you talk about the BBC podcast because that's what I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: wrote down here. For my current read, Bill Bryson has
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: a book called A Short History of Nearly Everything, and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: it is it is excellent. I've tried to kind of
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: dig back into some first principle stuff and learn a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: little bit about physics and science and in this particular case,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: kind of the history of the world. And I'm about
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: halfway through it and it is transfixing. It's written in
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: a style that someone that isn't a scientist, or isn't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: a historian or isn't a physicist, can really understand. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I just find it to be a fascinating you into
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: how the Earth came about, how cultures started to develop,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: and how science started to develop in the world. And
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: that's a really good one.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I'll have to check that one. Yeah, it's really good
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: by Bill Bryson, but not that one.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: He's excellent, incredible writer, certainly inspiring for me as a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: writer as well. So again, how do people find out
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: more about you. You're a regular contributor to Overland Journal,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: which we greatly appreciate. And then you've got an Instagram
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brianbrian dot bass or yeah, yeah, something like that.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: You know how it is.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there used to be a bass player in Canada
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: who spelled his name like mine b R y O
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: N And somehow when you did a search, it would
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: always pump to that, which was okay, totally three pages
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: in where you started seeing all the boring archaeological sports
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: and projects and stuff.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Well, and if anybody has any feedback or you'd like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: to fill me in on the watch that you've come
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to love, we would certainly love to hear from you.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: You can reach me at Scott dot a dot Brady
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on Instagram kind of let me know.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe your dad gave you.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: A cool watch too, and it'd be great to hear
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: those stories and we can share those on a future podcast.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: And Ryan, I'm looking forward to having you back on man,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: thanks for having me look forward to being on again.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you, and we thank you all for listening, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: we will talk to you next time.