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Joe Rogan Experience _2406 - Russell Crowe(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Roman podcast. Check it out The Joe Rogan Experience, Strain
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  Speaker 1: My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan Podcast, by name All Day, gentleman, can't worry, Sir Regan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to see you, man. Your movie's great, Thank you
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  Speaker 2: very much.
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  Speaker 1: When does it come out.
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  Speaker 2: In the United States? Comes out in November seventh, and
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  Speaker 2: then various dates over the next month and a half
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  Speaker 2: or so around the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking heavy movie, man, Yeah, it's a heavy movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The the trial. That footage was it all real footage
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  Speaker 1: the Holocaust for real footage of the.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the one of the reasons that
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  Speaker 2: inspired Jamie to go ahead that he was given access
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  Speaker 2: to that footage, some of which has never been seen
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  Speaker 2: since nineteen forty six.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very interesting way that he makes the subject
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  Speaker 2: matter accessible because it's such a dry topic from the outside. Right,
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  Speaker 2: he's a court case, you know, he's yet another courtroom drama,
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  Speaker 2: procedural or whatever. So I can imagine that people would
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  Speaker 2: see that and go, well, it's you know, might not
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  Speaker 2: be an exciting watch or something. But he sort of
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  Speaker 2: puts the audience in this position where he allows them
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  Speaker 2: to start to be amused by some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that are going on and the interpersonal relationships, and you
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  Speaker 2: know when the commandant of the prison has to call
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  Speaker 2: up his two top mental health experts and dress them
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  Speaker 2: down for getting into a fistfighter, things like that kind
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  Speaker 2: of it's there's a charm to it. And then he
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  Speaker 2: gets you into the courtroom and he locks the door
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  Speaker 2: and he goes, now you're going to see what we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. So I think it's a very interesting film
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  Speaker 2: device to disarm people before he starts giving them the
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  Speaker 2: real juice. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also a fascinating psychological tape from the psychiatrist
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  Speaker 1: from Kelly's perspective, you know, because the way he's describing
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  Speaker 1: all human beings, that all human beings are capable of
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  Speaker 1: these horrific acts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing that was a very unpopular
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  Speaker 2: take at the time, actually led to his removal from
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  Speaker 2: the process because he wasn't fulfilling what the War Department
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  Speaker 2: wanted him to say, which is, you know, all Nazis
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  Speaker 2: are crazy, you know, ruled by a madman and this
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  Speaker 2: is a unique experience. But that's not what he found
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  Speaker 2: in sitting down talking to the twenty two major Nazi
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  Speaker 2: sort of names that he was assigned to. Post war,
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  Speaker 2: he realized that every single one of these people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was normal. Well, there was a couple that we're pretty
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  Speaker 2: out there, but you know, for the most part he
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  Speaker 2: was dealing with rational men. How the hell did they
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  Speaker 2: end up making this series of decisions if they're rational men.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it just seems like things just get pushed slowly
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  Speaker 1: but surely into this unbelievably horrific place, right, Like it
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  Speaker 1: starts off, there's just it's just a war. It starts
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  Speaker 1: off Hitler's in power, and then slowly but surely, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing that's you know, difficult because gigantic
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  Speaker 2: jumps we can all read, but little incremental changes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the boiling of the frog, just how.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you take away this person's rights, that person's
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  Speaker 2: personal power, and slowly, you know, you get to a
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  Speaker 2: point where the average person then turns around goes, how
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  Speaker 2: did we get to hear?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was I thought it about something else.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's a smoke screen going up, and I
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  Speaker 2: thought we were doing that, and as it turns out,
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  Speaker 2: it's very different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one of the scariest aspects of human
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  Speaker 1: beings is our ability to dehumanize others, to turn others
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  Speaker 1: into something less than us, non human and other humans
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  Speaker 1: with families, with mothers and fathers and children.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the most dangerous things I see it
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  Speaker 2: going on everywhere at the moment that we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: say that you're either you know, and for one or
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  Speaker 2: of a better teen name, that you're either red or
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  Speaker 2: that you're blue, and humans are far more nuanced than that,
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  Speaker 2: that we're not that extreme, you know, and that the
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  Speaker 2: idea that you can split all of us into two camps,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of nuts.
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  Speaker 1: It's nuts, you know, Yeah, it's nuts.
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  Speaker 2: And it takes out all the room for subtlety in
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  Speaker 2: a discussion, and therefore it makes communicating with each other
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  Speaker 2: less and less available.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's just in this country in particular. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about Australian politics, but we only have two parties
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  Speaker 1: and they're both essentially financed by enormous corporations. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a ruse. The whole thing is a ruse. And you
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  Speaker 1: have different social issues on each side that come up,
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  Speaker 1: and then it becomes this year with us or against us,
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  Speaker 1: right versus.
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  Speaker 2: Left, but it's there's going nowhere good, nowhere good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We have the same sort of you know, two principal
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  Speaker 2: party systems in Australia as well, but we have a
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  Speaker 2: slight advantage in that we're kind of on the edge
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  Speaker 2: of the world in a lot of ways. You know.
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  Speaker 2: So what I've always said is when you're growing up
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  Speaker 2: in Australia and New Zealand, you're growing you grow up
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  Speaker 2: looking out. Yes, you understand your own culture and all that,
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  Speaker 2: but you grow up looking at what else is happening
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  Speaker 2: in the rest of the world, what's happening in year,
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  Speaker 2: what's happening in America? You know, buy and large Americans
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  Speaker 2: grow up looking in the principal sports are only played
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  Speaker 2: by American teams, American football in some instances, baseball, but
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  Speaker 2: they're not the types of sports that we play where
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  Speaker 2: the pinnacle of that sport is international competition, rugby union,
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  Speaker 2: rugby league, cricket, football, soccer, you know, So we we
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  Speaker 2: grow up with that as being the pinnacle of any
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  Speaker 2: particular sport. If you get to represent your country, and
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  Speaker 2: that's only really relevant in an American sense in an
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  Speaker 2: Olympic period, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, we never think about other sports. We
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  Speaker 1: mock them. We think about you know, like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing playing cricket?
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  Speaker 2: And it's a fascinating game and anybody who loves baseball generally,
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  Speaker 2: I found baseball lovers are all about the minusha. They're
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  Speaker 2: all about the stats and what those stats mean. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there might be a certain score on the board, but
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  Speaker 2: you know there and their team might be getting beaten,
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  Speaker 2: but they see in the stats that there's you know,
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  Speaker 2: a certain dominance in an area, and so they you know,
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  Speaker 2: they still have a hope that the outcome of the
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  Speaker 2: game may come their way. And cricket fans are the
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  Speaker 2: same as that. So the fact that the two never
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  Speaker 2: seem to meet is odd to meet. It is it's
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  Speaker 2: the same type of game.
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  Speaker 1: This is Cricket is larger worldwide, right, much larger.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well you have India and Pakistan and Sri Lanka
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  Speaker 2: and you know countries like that with huge populations playing
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  Speaker 2: the game.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do you guys have home runs in cricket,
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  Speaker 1: like where someone really cracks the ball of the park.
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  Speaker 2: It's called a six. If you hit the ball over
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  Speaker 2: the fence without a bouncing you get six runs. And
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the in there's different forms of the game.
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  Speaker 2: You have T twenty, then you have one day, So
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be this is going to be difficult.
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  Speaker 2: T twenty means that each team gets to bowl twenty overs,
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  Speaker 2: and over is six balls, so you have twenty six
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  Speaker 2: ball overs that you're bowling to the batting team and
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  Speaker 2: they've got to get try and get as many runs
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  Speaker 2: as they can, and then you will have a go
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  Speaker 2: at batting. Right, So you have that version of the game,
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  Speaker 2: which is very short. It can happen in an evening.
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  Speaker 2: Then you have a one day game, which maybe you know,
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  Speaker 2: starts in the afternoon, finishes by eight or nine at night.
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  Speaker 2: But then you have the Test match. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what I grew up with. It's sort of been dialed
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  Speaker 2: down a little bit now because they've brought in shorter
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  Speaker 2: forms of the game. But the Test match is between
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  Speaker 2: two countries and it's played over five days, and the
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  Speaker 2: idea is that both teams have to bat and bowl
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  Speaker 2: twice and the result will be whatever it is at
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  Speaker 2: the end of five days. Five days, five days man
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  Speaker 2: five full days and they start and then they have
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  Speaker 2: morning tea and then they have another break that lunch
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  Speaker 2: who they have afternoon tea and if it's really hot,
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  Speaker 2: every now and then somebody will walk out and give
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  Speaker 2: them drinks. You know, it's very civilized. My cousin Martin
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  Speaker 2: was a great cricket player. He was the captain of
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand. And my other cousin, Jeffrey, was also a
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  Speaker 2: captain of New Zealand. So I kind of grew up
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  Speaker 2: in a cricketing family and it was one of the
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  Speaker 2: pathways for me. There was you know, potentially play cricket.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but when you've got two of your cousins
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  Speaker 2: who are as good as they were as a very
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  Speaker 2: crowded room, you know, how am I going to make
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  Speaker 2: any kind of statement here when one of them Martin
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  Speaker 2: at his peak, he was called by Sports Illustrated, I
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  Speaker 2: believe the Michael Jordan of world cricket.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He was a very dominant player in his day and
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  Speaker 2: he used to call we used to discuss test matches
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  Speaker 2: as the Gentleman's war because you have a defined space,
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  Speaker 2: you have X amount of players and you've got to
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  Speaker 2: stop that little ball in this gigantic one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty meter by one hundred and twenty meter oval you've
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  Speaker 2: got to stop that little red ball from going between
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  Speaker 2: the players and therefore you know, preventing the batsman from
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  Speaker 2: scoring runs. But that five day game, the way that
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  Speaker 2: ebbs and flows, once you're into it, it's the only
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  Speaker 2: way you want to watch cricket because it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one moment, your team can be just so far ahead
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  Speaker 2: you're like, you know, and then it'll turn on a
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  Speaker 2: dime and day two things get really dark for your team.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Day three you got an edge back again.
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  Speaker 2: Day four it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: And as a kid, I used to go and attend
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  Speaker 2: every day of a five day game. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing like that here, No.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean it really requires I mean just like
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  Speaker 2: look at the you know, five day game. It's like
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  Speaker 2: five news cycles, right, yeah, we're not really set up
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  Speaker 2: for that sort of patience.
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  Speaker 1: And how is it bright?
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Street television? Television? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know there's cables and companies
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  Speaker 2: and stuff have got involved now, but it used to
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  Speaker 2: be National network and when cricket season was on, I
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  Speaker 2: mean back in the day, people would come from overseas
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  Speaker 2: and into Australia this summer and ask the question is
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  Speaker 2: there anything else on television except sport?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? So when you're playing, do they take commercial breaks? Yep,
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  Speaker 1: okay they do. So that's the problem with soccer, right,
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  Speaker 1: Soccer in America. The reason why it's very hard to
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  Speaker 1: sell is not just that a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: play it, but it says there's no commercial breaks.
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  Speaker 2: They have a huge number of people who play association
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  Speaker 2: football soccer in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Listen, they have a professional team here.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to the game, but it's nowhere near the
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  Speaker 1: involvement that football.
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  Speaker 2: Has American football in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not even clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, see, all of our sports that we like
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  Speaker 2: in Australia, apart from cricket, tend to be quite compact.
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  Speaker 2: You know, eighty minute game, ninety minute game, ten minute halftime,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard of your day. It's not your whole day.
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  Speaker 2: It's like we'll go to a football game and then
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  Speaker 2: we'll go and have dinner or go and do something else.
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  Speaker 2: So we have that same thing where the action is
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  Speaker 2: so continuous that the idea of stopping for a commercial
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  Speaker 2: break quite gets quite tricky.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. It's always been fascinating to me
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  Speaker 1: that rugby never took off in America, Yeah, because it
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  Speaker 1: seems like kind of a more savage version of football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the way I think it sort of plays
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  Speaker 2: out is you've got rugby union, right, which is fifteen
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  Speaker 2: men a side. Every time a player is tackled, you
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  Speaker 2: recompete for the ball. You have rocks malls, you have
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  Speaker 2: line outs. It's a very different game. But there's another
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  Speaker 2: version of rugby called rugby league, which was played in
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  Speaker 2: the North of England, and that has a defined period
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  Speaker 2: of offense and defense, and I think that's where American
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  Speaker 2: football comes from. I actually own a team in Australia
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  Speaker 2: in the NRL, the National Rugby League, the South Sydney Rabbits,
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  Speaker 2: the oldest team in the game nineteen oh eight. Will
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  Speaker 2: Formed bought the team in two thousand and six. And
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  Speaker 2: it's very easy to explain to Americans. Have American friends
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  Speaker 2: come down, I spend maybe twenty minutes talking to them,
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  Speaker 2: and they get the game and they start to dig it.
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  Speaker 2: My girlfriend at the moment, actually Brittany. It was one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons why I really started being attracted to
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  Speaker 2: her because she unders stood the game straight away.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Then I find out that when she was younger, she
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  Speaker 2: was a cheerleader for the New Orleans Saints. Oh wow,
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  Speaker 2: while she was studying electrical engineering. So yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 2: rugby league is a very easy game for Americans to follow. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how it's refereed becomes frustrating an American audience because there's
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  Speaker 2: so much room for interpretation referee to referee, game to game,
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  Speaker 2: situation to situation, so it can get frustrating. I think
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest things about American football from the outside,
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  Speaker 2: from an objective point of view, it seems that every
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  Speaker 2: single thing that the NFL tried to do is based
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  Speaker 2: on and across the board fairness for everyone. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so those you know, the conversations that were between the
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  Speaker 2: referees and what have you seemed to be everybody's on
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  Speaker 2: the same page. And sometimes when you're watching rugby league,
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  Speaker 2: something that you saw somebody else get sent from the
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  Speaker 2: field for the week before, and now nothing happens this week,
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  Speaker 2: but it's the same kind of hit or whatever. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: what you know, So I've had a few Americans corrupt illustrated. No,
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  Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, I think the game moves very fast,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, referees don't have eyes on all sides
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  Speaker 2: of their head, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But do you have referee corruption over there because you
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  Speaker 1: have gambling.
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  Speaker 2: We definitely have gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you have gambling for them.
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  Speaker 2: Lad broke absolutely crazy the way gambling has become such
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  Speaker 2: a significant player. And I also read the other day
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  Speaker 2: that now turn out that fifty percent of ownership of
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  Speaker 2: all the major gambling things that in the hands of
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  Speaker 2: sports teams. Oh, what's going on? I think I think
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  Speaker 2: what we have as opposed to corruption is natural bias
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  Speaker 2: because guys come out of the game. So there's you know,
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  Speaker 2: seventeen clubs in the in the NRL at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and guys who are in positions like referees or video
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  Speaker 2: refs or whatever, they have a club. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: grew up associated to one particular geographic area and that's
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  Speaker 2: their club. So it's very difficult for anyone to truly
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  Speaker 2: objectively see their own natural bias.
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  Speaker 1: But also there's got to be some corruption if there's gambling,
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  Speaker 1: if it's so subjective that you could make calls that
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  Speaker 1: you would that didn't that someone got in trouble week
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  Speaker 1: before and then this week. Nothing like that kind of
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  Speaker 1: subjectivity where it's up to the referee to make a decision.
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  Speaker 1: If I was a corrupt person, a gambler, especially if
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  Speaker 1: I was a mobster, would reach out to that referee
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  Speaker 1: and say, you know, it's within our best interests to
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  Speaker 1: work together this. Yes, let's let's be something.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope in all innocence.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have to say that you own a team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to sort of remain a little
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  Speaker 2: impartial in these things.
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  Speaker 1: What was that scandal in America, Jamie, The most recent one,
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  Speaker 1: the basketball one. It had to do still ongoing. It's
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  Speaker 1: still ongoing. Yeah, yeah, what did What are they accusing
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  Speaker 1: these guys up? Though I know they're they rig poker games,
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  Speaker 1: but there's also that was accusations about the basketball games yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Most of it would have been like based off of
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  Speaker 3: player props, so like they know that they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to take themselves out of the game, so I just
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  Speaker 3: take the under on I'm not going to score twenty points.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be there for ten minutes mmmink wink,
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  Speaker 3: or like you know, these players aren't going to play
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  Speaker 3: in this game that against us.
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  Speaker 2: That's sort of.
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  Speaker 3: One of the coaches was doing it too or like
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  Speaker 3: giving information and he was. The thing is is they
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  Speaker 3: would they were they were tied to the poker game too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and so it.
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  Speaker 1: Was just a full on criminal one of them.
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  Speaker 3: I just saw on the news today that the one
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  Speaker 3: player who's been tossed around, Uh, he had a big
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  Speaker 3: I R. S debt and all of this sort of
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  Speaker 3: started around the.
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  Speaker 1: Same time too. Oh, he's trying to pay off his debt,
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  Speaker 1: so he got corrupt who knows? Who knows? But they
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  Speaker 1: weren't they ripping off their friends in the poker games.
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  Speaker 3: That I don't know because I've allegedly I've seen clips
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  Speaker 3: of this. People knew about this a year or two
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  Speaker 3: ago on Instagram. They're like, I was at a fucking
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  Speaker 3: rigged game and I know the people involved and know
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  Speaker 3: that I should not have, Like I'm not going there
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  Speaker 3: and losing my money.
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  Speaker 2: How did they know it was rigged?
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  Speaker 3: The people involved? He said, He's like, someone else told
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  Speaker 3: me this. It's all on the up and up. And
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  Speaker 3: then he's like, I know everybody in the game. It's
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  Speaker 3: definitely not What are you talking about? How that guy
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  Speaker 3: knew I He didn't.
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• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the cards. They had like an X ray machine.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: They had cameras and they chip holders they had. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: don't know who they were communicating to though there's a
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  Speaker 2: Gambling fifty million. I stay away from it. I don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: know how you feel about it, but about gambling, yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I had an experience when I was a young fellow.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It was the first time I was in America actually,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: and I'd had all these intense meetings and what have you,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and it was I had a decision to make. I
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: had ten different people wanting to be my agent. So
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I ran a car and I went for a drive
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and I went up to San Francisco along the coast,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and then I turned Inland, thinking, you know, well, I've
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: heard of Reno, so I'll go there. So I went
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to Reno, Nevada, and I had X amount of money. Right,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: it was a very I wasn't you know. I was
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: doing well in my career, but I didn't have a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: lot of cash. So I had a couple hundred dollars
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: in my pocket, that's all, you know. So I went
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and had a beer and I started playing blackjack on
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a five dollars table and it was a single deck.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: This is how long ago? This was ninety two or something, right,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm playing and I did pretty well. I you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I masked a few hundred dollars, feeling very cockying confident
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: about myself, and I probably just then had one beer
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: too many. And I went for a walk down the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: street and I saw a roulette table and I think
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that'll be me, sucker, and so everything I won, I lost.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And by the time I sort of got my shit
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: back together, I had twenty five dollars in my pocket.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'm in rina. I got a quarter a tank of gas,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and I got to get back to LA I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: have a credit card. Oh boy, So as it was,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'd paid for my hotel, so that's all cool. But
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I got a sober up here,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: so I go back to the place. I started back
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to that same five dollar table, and I just very
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: carefully and when I got to like one hundred and
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: ninety dollars, which I knew was going to be enough
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to get me back with petrol and food and all.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I stopped. I go out into the car
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: park of this hotel. It's like eleven midnights something like that,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and I just started vibrating. Man, my whole body was
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like shaking, like I was having some kind of fit,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and it was just really weird. I got
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: back to the hotel room and I called my mom
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: collect in New Zealand, and I just see, I just
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: did this, I went through this. She goes, Darling. Something
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I've never told you, but your great grandfather was a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: professional gambler and at one point in time he gambled
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: his house away. He had to go and get his daughters,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: wake him up, get his wife and tell and this
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: is where they no longer live. And that one act
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kept that family in you know, relative terms poor for
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: another two generations, that one impulsive act to gamble his house. Yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: so I know it's in me, so I don't go
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: anywhere near it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: There's a horse race in Australia called the Melbourne Cup,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and I will focus on that. And if I happen
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to be at home and I have the day off
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. I'll put a bit of money on that,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: but that's it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Everything else that I do with my life is gambling.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Becoming an actor, massive gamble. What are you talking about.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, you know, buying the football team, it's all
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: a version of gambling. But the idea that you're just
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: giving money away to a system that had where it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: not fair, it's not going to benefit you, and at
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, in the longer term, you're
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: simply not going to win it. Sort of that drives
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: me a little crazy. I don't want to get involved
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: The vibration thing. Do you think do you think gambling
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is genetic? Like, there's a thought that a lot of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: there's there's certain behaviors that are in people that are
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: passed down from their parents. There's certain thought processes, there's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: certain inclinations that it's some genetic proponent that we have
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not clearly identified yet that it's you know, they used
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to think that people are a blank slate. You're born,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you're a blank slate. You learn everything from your But
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we know that's not real. It's not real. No, there's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a ship ton that you get from your genes. It's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: very weird, and I wonder if you got that from
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: your grandfather.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It really feels like it's in me and I have
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to work against it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Thank God, you have discipline that you could go back
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to the table. Well that's a good area to have, it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: isn't that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But that's how desperate the situation was. It's like I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: standing there in Reno realizing I can't even get back
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to La. I've got a real car, so I had to.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I just took it really, really slowly, And I do
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: this thing if I'm playing in a situation like that,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because occasionally I will go and play blackjack at a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: casino if I'm in a group of people, because if
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you're all disciplined, and if you hold every seat on
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a table, you can turn the tide against the house
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: very easily. They hate you doing it, and they try
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to break it up and put somebody in the middle
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: of you or whatever. But if you actually, funnily enough,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: was Tom Cruise taught me this, If you have it,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: so the first chair and the last chair make the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: cause and the decisions, and everybody else just sits on
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: twelve and above and you watch the mathematics come your
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: way now, way way back in the day, right, it
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: would have been ninety five. I've only six ninety seven
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: somewhere that right. Tom calls me. He's married to Nicole
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Kidman at the time. Calls me and he goes, you know, hey, Bud,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we've got this thing set up. Steve Winn has put
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: on a jet. He's going to fly us to Vegas. Right,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: we are allowed to play at Shadow Creek. We're allowed
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to play golf at Shadow Creek. So I'm not really
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a golfer, but sounded good to me. Jumped on the plane,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: went there. We're playing Shadow Creek. Lightning storm comes up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Tom's like in the middle of the fairway, still trying
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to play. We're going, dude, put the iron down. It's
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: this lightning, you know. So we know. We enjoyed ourselves
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: at the golf course. Then we go back to the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Winds Hotel and they've given us Michael Jackson's Lanai to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: change clothes in or whatever. We go on and get
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: some Chinese food, you know, the jets camp, the golf's camp,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the Lanaia's camp, the food's camped. And then we go
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and play blackjack together. Tom explains what the team's going
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to do, and we take twenty five thousand dollars or
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: more off the table to the airport, get on the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: comp jet, fly back to LA But we finished as
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a group. We then attacked the New York Times crossword
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and we did the last word as we were landing
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. So to me, it was like that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I believe it was a perfect day.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: That's a team effort. Yeah, that sounds like a lot
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of fun. It was.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: It was a great day. But that's sort of like
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: that was one of the early experiences where Okay, so
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you can have fun with with these sort of games
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: as long as you don't take them too seriously. My
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: current girlfriend is a massive poker player. She loves it
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and she's really quite good at it. She's played in
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a couple of female only tournaments and things like that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: You know, so I watched them play, but I don't
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: get involved. I don't want to get involved. I don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: want to activate that. Yeah, because I am kind of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I do have a reckless streak. You know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I can imagine in the wrong moment if I'm you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be tipsy, it would be more like drunk
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: on some kind of ego power kind of thing, where Yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I can I can turn the universe, I can make
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it come my way. I'll bet my house. I just
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: got to stay away from that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Did you see Uncut Gems. No, that's probably the best
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: gambling movie ever. Adam Sandler plays a cogenerate gambling junkie,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: not a comedy at all. Amazing, amazing movie.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I love how he's getting it. Just seems like he's
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: getting some due respect these days. Yeah, we're really starting
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to see how big his effect was and what he
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Also, those movies are fun, all those Happy Gilmore and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they're fun movies. I love those movies. They're innocent, enjoyable entertainment,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and he's really good at them. Jack and Jill. They're
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: hilarious movies.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And that right these days, because I've got a project
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: at the moment, which on the surface you would have
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to call a comedy, nobody wants to discuss it. But
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: he wants to talk about adult comedies.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So what is that scared?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: What does that mean We're going to if we sort
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: of inducing comedy genre, it's only.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: In the film world. In the stand up world, it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: like completely pushed back against it, and they're going the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: other direction. They're just they're going back to like nineteen
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: ninety style comedy, right, which is just say whatever the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: fuck you think is funfrontational. It's not. No one means
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: these things. You're saying things because they're funny. That's it,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, we're it's just like Bob Marley didn't really
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: shoot the sheriff, you get it right, you know, it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: like we're just talking shit.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And I heard a funny story about that. Actually it's
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: just in passing. I can't remember who told me. Maybe
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I won't even guess, but I think Clapton was living
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in New York or London or somewhere, and he had
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a he had a party at his house and because
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: he just had that record come out and it would
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: gone number one, and he had it stuck on his
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: fridge with a magnet, you know, like the charts with
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a circle around it. You know, I shot the sheriff
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: number one, Eric Clapton. And Bob Marley was at the party,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and apparently he found a pen and he wrote on
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the Clapton's fridge, No, Eric, I shut the sheriff.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I shot him first, bitch, that's hilarious. But that uncut
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Gems film is it is. It is a perfect movie
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: in regards to like the way he treats a degenerate gambler.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: He's a jewelry broker, jewelry salesman, and he's just out
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of his fucking mind. It's always sports. It's always this,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So there's always a game that's going on and he's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: betting this, and you get so much anxiety watching the movie.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh God, don't do that, don't do that,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: don't Oh Jesus, what are you doing. It's like the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: whole movie, my palms are sweat and I'm moving around
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: in my chair. Because I, as a kid, grew up
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in pool halls, Like from the time, I grew up
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in pool halls, but I spent so much time between
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: age twenty three and you know, into my thirties, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: was in pool halls all the time, and I played
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of pool and I was around a lot
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of addicted gamblers and I never got it. It never
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: hit me, but I was always just it's fascinated by
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the grip that it had on people. It was like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: they would their eyes would be going back and forth,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: their fucking skin would be pale. It gripped them like
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a drug. It gripped them like crystal meth.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I really dislike the way in Australia we have normalized it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: You know they're doing the sports reports on the news,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the national news, and I'll tell you the odds, the odds.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Well we do that with the UFC, or the UFC
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: would give the odds. They even I don't know if
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: they announce round by round odds, but the I think
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: But the I don't. I try to pay attention to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it because I don't vote. I excuse me. I don't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: gamble on the UFC, but I used to. So I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: used to gamble on the UFC when I first started
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: working for them, and then I was like, I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: think I should do this anymore. This is a long
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: time ago. The so what I started doing is giving
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: my friend Aubrey, who's my business partner on it. I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: started giving him tips and he was like eighty four percent.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Because I know the sport and a lot of these
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: guys be coming from Japan or coming from Russia, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, this guy, I'm from Brazil. Anderson
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Silva bet the fucking house. I go bet the fucking
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: house because people do not my house. But there's people
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that were coming across from other organizations that I was
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a giant fan of, and the bookmakers were woefully uneducated about,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: especially foreign fighters. And there's a thing like, if you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: are gambling on MMA and you don't know how to fight,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you're just guessing. You don't really, we're all just guessing
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: when we two guys get into the cage together, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you're really guessing, like you really don't. You can't recognize
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: like how fast a person is. You can't recognize how
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: good they are at countering. You just know stats and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you know, but you don't know how to do it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: And if you don't know how to do it, you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: can't really see it. You don't really know. So a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: certain point in time, I stopped just on my own
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: gambling so like I don't because that was people are
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: accusing me of being biased one way or the other anyway,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: which maybe I was. You know, I got better at that,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but I wanted to make sure that no one thought that,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm only gambling, I'm a couple
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks or something like that. I wasn't doing anything crazy.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: But the fucking people that I have friends, like good
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: friends that are just hooked, And when they start talking
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: about like fights that they're gambling on, or they put
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: so much money on this and money on that, I'm like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I know guys that put millions of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: dollars on a fight. I'm like, oh my god, you're
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: freaking me out. You're fucking freaking me out. Man. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: don't care how wealthy you are. If you put a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: three million dollar bat at of fight and you lose,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: like you're not going to sleep for a week. Man.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I just wouldn't be able to wake up with myself
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the next day. And then if you win, so foolish.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: If you win, it might be even worse because now
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you're going to keep doing it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Now you get that, you get the sting. Now. The
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: thing is with what we do in Australia, like the newspapers,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: like you know, network news services, we allow betting ads.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: It is so all prevailing. I had an experience probably
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: a year or two ago, and I see my two
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: boys are talking to a mate of theirs and they've
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: all got their phones out and I realized they were
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: checking up on their bets, you know. So I had
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: to have a big conversation with my boys and say, look,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: every single dollar that you have comes out of my pocket.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: If I give you a dollar, that's not a dollar
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to gamble with. I have to have very seriou conversation
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: with him about It's like, I don't care if you
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: think it's fun. You know, I don't care. You've got
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to actually see it for what it is, because what's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: five or ten dollars now is easily going to turn
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: into four or five hundred dollars in a minute, one
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You know, sooner or later you will allow
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: yourself to think that this thing is, you know, beyond
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: fun and it's a way for you to earn back
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: your losses or whatever. So I just had to have
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a chat with them, and they were probably looking at me, going,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: how old is our father that he doesn't understand that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: everybody does this. Yeah, but I just had to let
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: him know from my point of view, I didn't appreciate
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: them taking my hard earned dollars and wasting them.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I get it, but I also like that it exists
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: because I want the ability. If I wasn't working for
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the UFC, and I could go to the fights and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: gamble on the fights. I would definitely do it, because
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• 34:57
  Speaker 1: The game somehow makes everyone really hungry. Quarterback scrambles clearly assigned,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: it's time for breakfast, burritos, turnovers Suddenly dessert at two
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: pm doesn't sound so crazy. And wing formations well those
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: can only mean buffalo wings as if they're ever not
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: in play. Even the goalposts start looking suspiciously like French fries.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It's almost like football is sending the message to eat
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: more food. The good news Uber Eats makes those cravings
• 35:24
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• 35:28
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• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I need it if I'm into the sport.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see the game, you know I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: care about Oh yeah, what happens in the game. I
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: get it, Possibly because from the islander point of view,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I don't I wouldn't want any extra pressure. Of course,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: so I don't understand why this game. It's like two
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: teams of pristine athletes who have busted then nuts to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: get in this situation, and the competition, the physical competition
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: between these two teams isn't enough. You got to put
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: something else on the lot.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it just adds.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: It adds for some people.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get that extra juice out of the knowing
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that the thing is Also as a commentator, I am
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: as unbiased as humanly possible. And it's a hard thing
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: when friends fight, because there's some guys that fight that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: are my good friends, and I just hope they don't
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: get hurt, and I want them to win, but I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: have to be excited about the other guy winning, which
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. The other guy's beating up your
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: friend and you have to be excited about it. So
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it's good that I don't have any money riding on
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: fights because I don't have I'm not happy if one
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: person wins or loses. My idea is we're going to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: see who's the better athlete, who's the better fighter. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I can handle gambling. I've never had a gambling problem
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm not a risk of person. Obviously, I like risks,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: but I'm also I'm safe, like I know what I'm doing,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: even though I do dangerous things.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You've had a look at it, fust Yeah, exactly examine.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: You have that ability and inclination for examination, So you have.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: To have that. And I feel like that's the case
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: with alcohol, that's the case with cigarettes. I'm in favor
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of all those things being legal, but I know so
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: many people that have a problem with alcohol, like cannot
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: live without alcohol. I know so many people that can't
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: quit smoking cigarettes. I feel like you should be able
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to do whatever you want to do, and I want
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I want freedom, and that comes with gambling. And I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: think gambling freedom like the ability to decide that you
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: want to take a risk of something that should be available.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But we should educate people as to what is actually
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: going on in your mind that's allowing you to get
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: captured by this thing and now you're chasing bad money
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and you're in a downward spiral management like understanding, okay,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: this is a three, but this thrill could take over
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: your whole life if you are maybe genetically susceptible, psychologically susceptible,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like understand what it is. But I don't think we
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: should take away cars that can go over sixty miles
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: an hour because some people crash their cars and die.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I feel like I like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that gambling exists, and I always wish that it exists.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, I was like, it could be
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: fun bet one hundred bucks on this or on a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks on that. But I don't have the problem
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like I could see if I came from a family
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that was torn apart by gambling, you'd go, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you don't understand my dad lost our house, Like, okay,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: but that was a bad decision. You know, your dad
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: could have died drinking and driving and smashed into a tree.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: These are bad decisions. You don't have to make bad
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: decisions just because something is tempting you. It's an interesting
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting debate because do you nanny state the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: whole world? Do you think gambling should be illegal? You
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: think you should have to go to Vegas four? That
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: seems kind of crazy. I mean, it's certainly not a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: black or white issue to me. There's a lot of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: gray area involved in it. And I know there's a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: lot of people that push back on the idea of
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: whether these gambling apps and all these different things should
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: be legal, and like.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: It's the normalization process that bothers me the most. That
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it's part of the new service with the apps that
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: it's but it's just put in front of you, whether
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you're interested in it or not. You know, this team
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is playing that team, and here's the odds. I just
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: don't I don't think it's healthy to have that as
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: much of you know, those stats as much a part
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of the actual news report as who's playing and what's
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: on the line.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: The thing about it, though, is it does lead you
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to have debate about Like here's a perfect example, Canelo
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford. Terrence Crawford was going up two
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: weight classes. In my mind, though he's so skillful, I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: gave him a chance. I was like, I favor him
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to win, but I believe he was the underdog. Booze
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: find out what the odds were for the Canelo Alvarez
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford fight. I believe he was the underdog even
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: though he was an undefeated multi division world champion, like
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all time for sure, but
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: he was jumping up from one hundred and fifty four
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: pound weight class where he just won the belt. He
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: was the one hundred and forty seven pound weight class
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: all the way up to one sixty eight. That's a
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: big leap fourteen pounds, and everybody thought Canal is gonna
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: have too much power, he's gonna be too big. I'm like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think that's correct. It
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: was Odds did that same. Yeah, Crawford was the underdog,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: so not a huge underdog. Plus one thirty five versus
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: plus one forty somewhere around there, So it's not huge,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: not even two to one, not even one and a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: half to one enough where I was like, I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: they're wrong, you know. So it's like it Foster's debate,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: you know, even if you're not gambling. And I didn't
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: gamble on that fight, but I did. I was telling
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: my friends. I got a long discussion with a good
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: buddy Miners, a real boxing connoisseur. It's like Canelos too big,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: he hits too hard, Like that guy doesn't get hit much. Like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's as big of a factor as
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: we're thinking. I think it's a skilled thing. They're not
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that different in size, Like, I don't think so. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: so that odds thing is to me exciting, like it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: is Foster's debate, Like you get you start talking about
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and if it's a game, you start talking
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: about players, like he chokes the outfield, he does this,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: he does that. This guy he's always stealing bases. I'm
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: factoring that in, and you know, the odds become a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: part of the discussion. But yeah, it is. Ultimately the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: problem is, first of all, kids are addicted to apps
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: as it is, they use them. They're always on their
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: damn phone and they'll go from TikTok to Instagram to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: to x to you know, the check this and then
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: they check that, and the check their Snapchat and then
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: check the gambling app. And then it's like, you're just
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: addicted to this goddamn phone. So something on your phone
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that's also addicting. It's like addiction on top of addiction,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: because you're already getting your little dopamine rush just by
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: looking at your phone. But then if you're also getting
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a gambling rush on top of that, Yeah, we got
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to educate people. Yeah, but I think we've got to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: educate people on social media addiction, which I think a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: giant percentage of our population is completely addicted to.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Social including me. I spent large amount of every day
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: scrolling through TikTok for some reason.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And what do you what's your algorithm?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: What kind of stuff are you getting?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of dating apps at the moment,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: which is really embarrassing because I'm not looking on an
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: on any dating apps. So I'm not sure that the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: algorithm is fully truthful. I think there's certain amount of
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: things you just get fed.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Right, especially like dating app, because that's a promotion promoting that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot that seems to be a lot
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: coming up. But that's the problem, isn't it, Because the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: way the algorithm shapes it, you know, pretty much everything
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that comes up on your phone you have some form
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: of interest in, right, so that keeps you looking at
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: what you're looking at. I've got to probably got to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: dial it down a little bit, but I'll be in
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: the bush in a minute. It's been such a crazy year, man,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you know. So you know, we finished Nuremberg last year
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and then I went on that big tour, which is
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: when I was here when I came to see you
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the first time. But this year, since between December and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: August I made five movies Wow, and I was on
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the set of the sixth and so weary and I
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: had no juice. I still feel it a little.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Bit, actually, man.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had a little bit of time up,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: but I've still had so many responsibilities. I kind of
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: feel like I broke my brain or something in August,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm still trying to recover. And I won't really
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: recover till I get home the next time, as I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: was saying to do before, because when I land at
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: home now, I won't know when I'm flying out again.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And that is such a relief, because when you do
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: know when you're flying out again, every day is just
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: counting down, counting down. To me, you might have three weeks,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: but doesn't feel like three weeks because you one know
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: when you're leaving again. But this time, I'll get home
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: and I'll have three months, and I'll be in the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: bush and I'll be waking up with the birds, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you know, hopefully all of those things that I emptied
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: out through the earlier part of the year we'll fill
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: up again. Because I was on that set, and that
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: was the set for the remake of Highlander with Henry Cavell.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm playing Ramirez, which was the Sean Connery character.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, So I'm excited by it. I'm really looking
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: forward to it. But there I was turning up to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the gym to do my katana sword and going to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: these meetings and everything, but I was empty. I was
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: absolutely empty. And it was just the point where I,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I texted my agent and I'd said, you
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: know what, I maybe need to talk to these guys
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: because I'm not sure if I don't have any juice here,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to be bringing, you know.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting in these meetings and everybody's talking, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: it's all just bouncing off my face, you know, I'm
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: not really taking anything in. And that same night, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: get a phone call around ten thirty, and it's so
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: unusual because I have everything turned off on my phone.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: It never rings, but for whatever reason it did ring.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It was the director saying, look, I'm so sorry to
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: tell you that Henry's injured himself. He's ruptured his achilles,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: so we're going to have to push the film. Now.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I love Henry. I've known him for a long time.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I've known him since he was a schoolboy, and I
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: met him at a place called Stowe School in England.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I was doing a scene in a movie called Proof
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: of Life, talking to my son in the movie, and
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: in the background, a rugby game's going on, and you know,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: we're doing the scene and everything, but I've got my
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: eye on the field and there's one guy on the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: field who he's just displaying he's got a great brain
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: for the game. And as it happens, we finish the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: scene and they break up. What's going on behind us,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and that one kid is walking towards me and he's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the kid that I've been watching, and he wants to
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: have a chat. He introduces himself and you know, he
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: just asked me how do you get into acting? And
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: so we had this very very brief conversation and we
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: got swamped by these other kids. A couple of days later,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I was doing a present for the kid from that
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: school who'd played my son, who's a boy called Merlin
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Hanbury Tennyson his name was, and so I was doing
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: a thing for him, and then I had some other
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: things left over, and I was saying, what was that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: other kid's name, Henry? So I wrote on a photo
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: of Gladiator of Maximus, which was a movie that had
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: not actually been released yet. To Henry, Journey of a
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Thousand Miles begins with a single step Russell.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: He kept that photograph with him for wherever he lived,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to a place to place, and he kept his dream
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: alive and burning. The next time, I see Henry cavell
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Is in a gym in Illinois, the outskirts of Chicago,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm working on one side of the gym. He's
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: working on the other. And I'm thinking to myself, well,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I'm Superman's dad. I reckon, that must be Superman over there.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Kind of looks like it, you know. So we worked
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in the gym a week or so more together before
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: we talk, you know, And finally one day comes over,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: puts his hand out and we start talking, and I
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: just at one point I went, do I know you?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I guess, yes, sir, you do, and he remind and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I went, Henry, that Henry is this Henry. It was crazy.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: That's wild, absolutely wild, right. And so now we have
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: this other situation where you know, he's kind of in
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the position of being the Highlander, and they asked him
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: who he wanted to be Ramirez, and he said, I've
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: only got one option, and you got to get him,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and so you know, that's fantastic, Gonna be a lot
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: of fun when we do eventually get around to Must.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: That be for him to have been a kid and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: met you and got you to sign that, and then
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: working with you when.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: He's Superman Superman.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It was, Oh my god, that's amazing, what a great story.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And so now we've got you know, we've got the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: third stage of our connection, and when we get to
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: do it, it's it's going to be great. But I
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: know this sounds really weird because I love Henry and
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: the last thing I'd want is for him to be
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: under any pressure or injured or whatever. But it wasn't
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: a prayer answered. And I'm talking to the director expressing
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: that I'm so that's terrible, but I'm also shaking my girlfriend,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: going we get to go home. Yeah, it's as I said,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: it's been a big I have never done that many
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: individual films in that space of time.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: What caused you to say yes to that kind of
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a schedule.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Well, but that's not what you do because most of
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: these are independent films. So, for example, I agreed to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: do Nuremberg in twenty nineteen, but we don't shoot it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: till twenty twenty four. Oh wow, shut up and collapse
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: three different times before we actually made it, because there's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of variables in independent film.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: So a bunch of these things that I did, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I agreed to do two years ago, and it never
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: got together, and then suddenly they all just started landing
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the other. So everybody's got to start working like it's
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: air traffic control, and I'm like literally having a few
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: days between sets, flying from one place to the other.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: And now it's you know, what I always describe it
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: as is like going to a new school and now
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: you're going to meet, you know, hundreds of new people,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and you know, all of the different things that you've
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: got to answer in terms of your costume and your
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: makeup and blah blah blah, Am I wearing a fake nose?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And my god, forgot scars? What am I doing this time?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: All of those things you got to do very very
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: rapidly and get onto the set. And they're not that
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: sort of string of movies was not They're not easy.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: You know. The first one was called The Beast in Me,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: which is an mma movie. I think we talked about
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: that briefly. It was going to be a UFC thing,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: but we ended up doing a deal with One Championship.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So it's set in Australia and Thailand, and it's doing
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: some like little private screenings in Los Angeles at the
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: moment and getting a lot of really positive reaction to
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the kid that's still not it's not a kid, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the lead role in that Daniel McPherson has done an
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: extremely good job by the sounds of things, and I'm
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: also attached to that. I only play a very small role,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: but I rewrote it for them just before we started.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: And I've done a lot of writing in my career,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: but it always goes uncredited. But thisarticular occasion, I think
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I believe I'm going to get my first actual writing credit,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: So that's cool. But I wrote the character that I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: play specifically to not be the character you think it's
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: going to be, to not be Burgess Meredith. You think
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: this guy is going to be, you know, the old
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: coach who sort of like you know, comes back out
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: of retirement everything. But I know enough people in a
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: boxing world or you know, to know that once an
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: old bloke makes a decision about you being a shithead.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: He's not going to change his mind. So I wanted
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: to play that guy. So so I went from that
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: set to then I think called Bear Country, where I
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: play an Albanian money launder and that's got a great
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: cast Theresa Palmer, Luke Evans, Nina Dobrev, Aaron Paul Danny
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: z Evada and it's funny, it's really funny. That's with
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the same director that I did Unhinged with a guy
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: called Derek Bort and it's I mean, it's goofy and dramatic,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: but it's just funny.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: When does that come out.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure when that comes out. That's also I
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: think they've got like six or seven different offers at
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: the moment from different distribution companies because everybody's digging it
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: and they're looking at it, going that would be an
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: hilarious movie to follow up Nuremberg.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Well, that would be, yeah, because Nuremberg.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So then after that, I go back to Budapest and
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I make a thing with a young British director Armas
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Sante called Billion Dollar Spy, with a young English actor
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: called Harry Luti, who is he's the future of British cinema.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: He's a very intelligent, classy actor. So and that when
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I play a Russian selling state secrets to the Americans
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Russian scientists. And then after I did Billion Dollar Spy,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: oh I did, I went to Montreal and made a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: thing called Unibomb where I play a Harvard professor, the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: man who taught Ted Kaczinski at Harvard, who put him
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: into this series of tests and things that he was doing.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And some people say that he very very much affected
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Kazinsky's brain and.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: The guy I played was yeah, yeah, that was Kasinsky
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: was sort of associated. He was there at the time.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Then that Leary also started working at Harvard. But the
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: study that my character was doing is more based on
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: sort of like intellectual confrontation mm hmm, and like stripping
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: people of their self belief in stuff. So there are
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: people who think that it was the character I plays
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: intellectual aggression towards Kazinsky that turned Kazinski the way he turns.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: So there's that. And then I just did a movie
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: in Germany. It's set in Portland, but we shot it
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: in Munich, Okay with a guy called Patrick McKinley, who
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I've done other projects with before, but he doesn't doesn't
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: always get the credit he should get. But he's the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: guy that cut the loudest voice, which made it as
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: dynamic as it was. And he also cut a movie
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: called Poker Face for me and we're working together on
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: a music docer. But usually I work when I work
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: with him as an editor, but this is him as
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: a director, and that's with Ethan Hawk again that's that's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: a smaller role in that one as well, but there
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: was a very strong vibe on that set and Patrick's
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: a great filmmaker, so I imagine that's going to be a
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: good movie too. So if you're a film fan that
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: sounds like you're film there's a few things to come
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: out that's very exciting.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: The comedy is very exciting because there's just not a
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: lot of comedies anymore. It's hard to see to find
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: a really good comedy.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is one of those ones where it's
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: not it's not like a series of jokes, it's just
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: certain types of characters put in certain situations and then
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you see how that plays out. And Aaron Paul and
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Ninadobrev just hilarious. I can't even begin to explain what
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: they do in the film because you'll just go, what
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: the fuck are you're talking about? That just sounds so stupid,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: and it is stupid, but it's also very funny to experience.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. So it just sounds
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: like all those things just sort of came together coincidentally
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: at the same time, and so you just.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Do things that you might have agreed to years before
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and it just so happened that they got
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: their financing and it just went one after the other.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Do you take Do you do anything like ivy vitamin
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: drips or anything when you're on set.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I haven't really done that. We help you well, potentially,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is, man, you just stay disciplined,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you get to bed.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that too.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Actually going through a really weird time at the moment
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: for the last month. Doesn't matter where I am in
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the world, if I'm in Spain, if I'm in Australia,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: if I'm in America, I cannot sleep between midnight and
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: five am. It's just very odd, and I think it's
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: related to the feeling that I was expressing before that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Somewhere in August I broke my head. I'd just done
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: too much much and I need to go home, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I need to be in that rhythm because you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I call the place I have in the bush. You know,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: it's not its official name, but I call it the panacea.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: It will fix all ills. But you have to give
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: over to its rhythm. You have to wake before the birds.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: You have to sort of put yourself in a situation
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: where you're going deep into the bush, so you're getting
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: that kind of oxygen. You just have to really give
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: yourself over to it, you know, and spend your days
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: just you know, checking if the cows are okay, having
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a look, you know, if the new trough system is
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: working at well, just getting sort of hands a little
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: bit dirty and forgetting all the other stuff. Yeah, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: you know, but we'll hopefully see me come charging back out.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Now you'll be charging.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But that sounds like a perfect balance to offset the charging.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the recharge. I always like. I look
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: back at my thirty year old self, who made the
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: decision to take the little bit of money that i'd
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: earned at that point thirty one thirty two, I was
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: and by one hundred acres in the bush, because somehow
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I knew I would need that place. So it's like,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I could have bought, you know, an apartment
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: in the city, but I didn't. I bought one hundred
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: acres of basically blank bush, no fences, no and the
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: fact that it's been in my life. January twentieth, nineteen
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: ninety six, I paid for that first hundred acres.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: So that's that's before La Confidential, was before I even
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: shoot LA Confidential. Wo. So it was I don't I
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: don't know where it came from, but I look at
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: that thirty two year old and go, mate, well done.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: You gave yourself a battery. I get myself an island.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I go through that gate and because
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: you know what it's like, people don't just call you Joe.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: They call you Joe Rogan, call me ros gro you know.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: So this this brand name, this sort of stamp, and
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that's all you hear, you know, ros grows grow. And
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: then I go beyond that gate and I'm no longer
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that I'm a son, I'm a brother, I'm an uncle,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a dad, you know all of those things. You know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I'm the boss of the operation and the farms and
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: stuff and all that as well. But all of those
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: things come into play and the whole brand thing drops away,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: and you've got to prove yourself in a way different level.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: When you're at home.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: You've got to exist in a natural world, yeah, as
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: opposed to in a world where you're the center of
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: attention constantly people are at your back and call people
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: are mister krow, mister crow. Yeah, it's not good for you,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: But it's also the amount of attention that you time
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you have to spend when you're on that many sets
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: in a row, five movies in a row. Like a
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: lot of people are probably like, oh boo hoo, yeah,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to be in five movies boo. But that's and that's
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: the famous wrestle crow.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: The big gag between people who are not in the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: business is understanding of what it really takes and you know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: the realities that that you deal with. And look, you know,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I'm the last person. I'm not winging about the job
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: at all, but I am just pointing out that I
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: went a little bit too hot and I burnt my brain.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I need a bit of a break.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Well. If Nurremberg is an indication or if it's an example,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: of what you did. If it's on par with the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: rest of them, it's going to be an awesome run.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Because Nurremberg is great, it really is. It's it's very
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: disturbing and it's a it's a just to see that footage,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the footage in the trial, it was just people should
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: see that, you know. And the fact that it's never
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: been released before, you know, that just to cement into
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: our heads, you know, that's the thing. It's like that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: war was one of the first wars where we got
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: regular footage. You know. I mean, if you think about
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: people going into World War One, they're going blind, they
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: have no idea what they expect, what they're going to see.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And then by the time Vietnam comes and now it's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: on television, and that seeing horrific things at least cements
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: into your head like this is where this all could go,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: This is where this all can go.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just think about that because you know, in
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: my lifetime, you know, when I was a little boy
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm watching the news, it not with my parents,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: this Vietnam footage, you know, I see the Antac Day
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: which is Australia Australia New Zealand version of memorial to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I see those arches every year, the old soldiers getting together.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: That history is so fresh. I'm surrounded by older people
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: who fought in the war in World War One, you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: and then there's another generation of guys who still appear
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to be young, and they fought in World War Two.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: And now I'm watching Australia at war because we've been
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: through Korea and now Australia is at war in Vietnam,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm seeing that on the nightly news. So at
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the age of six, seven eight, I believe I'm going
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: to be a soldier. And everybody at school believes they're
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: going to be a soldier, because that's what we do,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you know, because our parents' generation are connected to the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Second World War, our grandparents' generation is connected to the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: First World War. And here it is, we've got now
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: got this new war. So it was very definitely part
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: of the cultural operaman. I was in army cadets in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: high school, so you know, that was a couple of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: days a week. You dress up on an uniform and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: you go to school instead of in your school uniform
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: in jungle greens. You know, just get you ready, you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: can get you ready. Man, they're putting SLRs in the hands,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: which is like, it's not an unusual thing for this country,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: but definitely is for Australia. Put a self loading rifle
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: in the hands of a thirteen year old and teach
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: them how to use it.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: So wow, Jesus. That was one of the things about
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the Iraq War too, where they stop showing people coffins.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: They're preventing photographers from taking photographs of coffins, flag traped coffins,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Like that's crazy. That should not be legal. You shouldn't
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: be able to prevent someone from documenting history. Is That's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: what that is. And that's the consequences of what's going on.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: You're seeing American people coming home in boxes and you're
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: not even allowed to take photographs of it. Kind of crazy.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the thing where you know ANZAC Day that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I talked about. It's April twenty fifth. ANZACs stands for
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Australian New Zealand Army Corps because both the First World
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: War and the Second War World War Australian and New
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Zealand combined their armed forces and in a lot of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: places fought alongside each other. But you know, we have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: that day as a memorial day, as you know you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: have in this culture as well, but we tend to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: forget that we have that day as a reminder that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: we should never do this again. That's what it's there for,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: you know, to respect the passing of these you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: young people who died in battle, but to also remind
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: ourselves of how pointless that whole thing was, how pointless
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the First World War was, how pointless the Second one war.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Ultimately it's just death, and the people that started the war,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the people who benefit from the war are not the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: ones generally standing at the graveside mourning. They're dead because
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: they will protect themselves. Their children don't have to go
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: to war, their children are not going to get conscripted.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, every time the stuff comes up,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: and we now have almost constantly the words of war
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: being spoken, as if it's just sort of an offhand
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: thing that we can should attack these people and invade
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: these people, do this like this goes absolutely nowhere good.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: And we were talking earlier about the technology we can
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: hold in our hands. We get out our phones, we
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: can explore the entire world. There's no piece of knowledge
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: which is held back from us. We can get it
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: through this device that we carry in our hands.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: So here we are.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: All of these, you know, millennia later as a species.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: We have that level of technology available to us, but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: we still think that war is some form of solution.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Just blows my mind.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's hard to imagine if you were living in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the past, if you could come up with the circumstances
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: that we live under today, Like you just described, a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: device in your pocket that provides you with all the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: information you could ever want, we would say, oh, well,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: that would be the solution to most of what ails us.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: You think, once we have that available, it'll all sort
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: of see each other clearly and understand, you know, celebrate
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: our differences, that there's more that connects us than divides us.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: All of those things.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think they ever anticipated social media and the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: divisive nature of that because I think.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: But it's only divisive because we let people pervert it,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: right with an algorithm, we just let people actually take something.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I remember when I started on Twitter, I thought it
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: was the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. But when
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I started, which was about two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: and suddenly from you know, a couple of decades of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: having who I was described by others and pushed across
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to people. This breath of fresh air. What I could
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: just express myself and people would know exactly what my
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: real opinion on something was and how I felt about something.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: It was fantastic. It didn't last very long, man. People
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, I've got a whole lot of truth
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: going on here. We've got to shut that shit down.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: You know, as soon as individuals started using their power
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I had an experience with
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: this company or that company and it wasn't very good, right,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: And those companies were like, man, we didn't spend millions
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: of dollars a year on advertising just for this asshole
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: to tell the truth about how shit we are. Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: and I had to turn it around somehow. So that's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: when you start. You know, I look, quite frankly, if
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: you run bots and stuff like that, you should be
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: put in prison. Forget about. Man. That's not the way
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: it should be. No, it's not that you shouldn't You
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be perverting people understanding of something. Yes, because it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: benefits you.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great way to put it. Yeah, that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: should be illegal. It's kind of amazing that there's no
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: laws because it's essentially, I mean, you could propagate through
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: bots a complete and total lie and it catches traction,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: makes its way through and there's zero consequences.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and zero upset about it. And they've thoughting over
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: the family Denta table based on pure misinformation and I think.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: A lot of it. You know, we can't trace who's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: doing it. That's where it gets really weird. Yeah, but
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: why well, because that's complicated, right, Like you can you
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: can hide your IP, you can do it through a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: virtual private network so they don't know what country you're in,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and you do it with AI, like they busted China
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: was using chat GPT to run a bunch of accounts.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many accounts, but a huge amount
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: of accounts, and they were all sorts of stuff that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: are people are fighting about in America, like immigration, closing
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: down USAID, those kind of things, and they were just
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: involved with these chatbots that they were running, and these
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: things would argue specific points and get everybody inflamed and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: just start wars and call everybody for.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: There was a moment, you know, a little while ago
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: that just seemed to be all social media was just
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: flooded with violent images, flooded with people fighting, you know,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: people getting you know, knocked out, king hitting a bar
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And it's like, where's the list coming from.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: It's just Instagram. It's loaded with it. I see more
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: violence on Instagram, more accidents, more people falling off balconies,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: more people climbing trees and falling. It's like all over Instagram.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if they could stop it. I
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: don't know if they could even recognize what these things
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: are until somebody reports.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I know, I know it sort of speaks to the
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: sort of a low level of intellect, But you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I do like the occasional falling down a whole kind.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Of Well, there's a reason why it's out there, because
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people agree with you. It's it's I mean,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of horrific accidents. I don't know why.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to watch anybody get run
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: over by a truck.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, that's not a thing. It's like the innocent,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: sort of like pie in the face kind of thing
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: is what amuses me. But if somebody really gets hurt,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: it's not Yeah, it doesn't.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Well, also very much desensitizes people. Yeah, which is a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: problem already. Yeah, you know, we're already desensitized from violent
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: video games and violent films, and then now you're seeing
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: like real violence and real like horrific dismembering accidents all
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: day long and you're thirteen. You know, that's the thing.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: That is The thing is we can discuss it as
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: adults and what sort of like what we can deal
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: with and what we can rationalize with the same thing
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: I was talking about the gambling. My kids don't know
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: or didn't know that there was a negative to that.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: They see it, you know, all the time, so they
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: think it's normal.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that makes sense, That makes sense. And you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I think, like, how old do you have to be
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: to sign up for those sites? And is it possible
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to spoof that? Like, of course it seems like you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: could probably if you're a wizard at fourteen, But.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: What's the security?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Are you over eighteen? Here?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Like? What is it?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take a lot.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Entering your driver's license? What do they do?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Now? Did you see that thing from TikTok that I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: sent you with, Jimmy, I don't have TikTok? Oh, you
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, so I sentity and you can't.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I can't watch it all right, what was it about?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: It was just him on stage talking about a company
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that he and I and Ed Sheeran got involved in.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I was in I was shooting the Pope's Exist in Ireland,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: and I got told this story about this lady, Laura Bonner,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: whose grandfather was an Irish potato farmer and wondering what
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: he should do with his leftover potatoes, you know, the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: the unsightly shaped ones that nobody wants in a supermarket,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: and he came up with the idea of making this
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Irish sort of moonshine called per chain. So every Friday,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: his relatives and his friends and everything would rock around
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: to Phil's house and they'd bring their old medicine bottles
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: and whatever fill up from the still. So they had
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: a weekend. And when she was a little girl, she
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: would see this party being created every Friday in the island.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: And so they're singing songs and they're enjoying each other's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: company and laughing uproariously and all that. And she said,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: one day, I'm going to legitimize what granddad does for
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: fun and make it into a business. So about her
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: mid twenties or something, she was a lawyer. She got
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: involved in this big deal. It went well for so
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: she was sort of like faced with a crossroads. Okay,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: now I've got money to finance my idea or i
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: can continue in the job that I meant And so
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: she decided to back herself. She comes from a little
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: down in the north of Ireland that is called Muff.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: It's actual town. It's across the river from Derry. And
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: she formed a company called the Muff Liquor Company. And
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: that amused me. I called Jimmy Carr and I said,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: does disamuse you? It actually does. So then I called
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Ed Sheer and I said, this amuse you, and he
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: goes it does. So we formed a company called the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Muff Liquor Mint, and we bought a big slice of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: the company. It's now I think it's in about forty
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: states here in America.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Now, oh that's awesome.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you can get it in tech.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: We're a sucker for a good name.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've bought you a dozen whiskey, a dozen
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: potato based gin and a doesn't potato based vodka? There
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: it is with the bottle sort of shape like an
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: old medicine bottle.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: It looks great.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: That's an awesome Yeah, it's great to hold. Actually, and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: that whiskey is what I call like a cowboy whiskey.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's pete smoked.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very light. It's very light. You'll see
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: when you have it. It's like, that's not the sort
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: of whiskey where everybody ends up crying in a corner
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: remembering the things that they did wrong in their lives.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: It's the sort of whiskey that'll keep you laughing or not,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: you know. So that's why I call it a cowboy whiskey,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: because you can sit with it with your mates all
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: night and have a laugh.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think is more addictive alcohol or gambling?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: M Well, the problem that we have with alcohol is
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: what's becoming the burgeoning problem with gambling, is that we
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: just accept it, accept it completely as the thing that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: you do and as long as you're a certain age
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: you can do it. We'd never look at the damage
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that it causes. Now, I'm a big proponent for having
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: a drink, you know, that's my cultural heritage and as
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: a working class man, it's my goddamn right and you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: enjoy it, and I do. I do. But as you
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: get older, you know, there's certain things that you start
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: to learn about your capacities and stuff when you're a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: younger fella. And now that I'm an older guy, and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: I know that, you know, one night a week, if
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I'm having fun, it's plenty. That's plenty, you know. And
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I try to cut out the interstitial stuff. You know,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I might if I decide I'm going to have a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: glass of wine with dinner, then it's going to be
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: a really nice wine. It's going to be an occasion,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: you know. I just I try not to have the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: casual drinks now, just have you know, a drink for
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: the sake of it, you know.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Those add up? Yeah, Yeah, there's there's definitely a great
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: social quality to drinking. There's there's a thing to it
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: that I enjoy.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I always enjoyed and bonding. You know, you never really
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: find out about your mates until you've had them on
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: the piss and you see who they really are.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: You know some people. Yeah, yeah, alcohols. It is weird
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: because it's the only drug that they offer you when
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: you sit down for dinner, right, it's the we've agreed
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: this drug goes really well with a good stake.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: That everybody can have. This drug is fully available, and
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: like I said, we never count as social costs. We
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: don't count, you know, I mean this is this would
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: be true for pretty much. You know a lot of
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: countries that have a focus on sport. But you know,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: three to five of the worst nights of any given
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: year in Australia in terms of domestic violence of one
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: connected to a sporting event.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, so a sporting event connected to alcohol and.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Then that drives the thing that you know brings terror
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: to wives and children. So it's uh, you know, it's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: the same thing with all of this stuff, you know,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: like you know, we always talk about that, you know,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: everything in moderation kind of thing. Yeah, but you know,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: we always have to remember that we got to move
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: at the pace of the slowest member of our community.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it, because that's the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: real issue. Right. It's not well I can handle it,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: so everybody else can too, That's not it. It's like
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: why can some people handle it? And what could have
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: been done? Like if you just in school, you're going
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: to have to accept that some kids are going to
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: try marijuana, Some kids are going to try acid. Some
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: kids are going to try alcohol. They're going to most
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: kids are going to try alcohol. Like, why don't we
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: have education on the proper way to use these things
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: where you don't get in trouble, you know, like at
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: least most people, I would. I would imagine most kids
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: are not going to listen anyway, But if more will,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: then would if you didn't talk about it at all. Right,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: if you don't talk talk about it all, there's no
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: information out there. At least they can talk.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: This should be an ongoing process of education. Yeah, and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: not just education through failure, you know, right, And that's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: not just let me talk to you about it now
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: that you've crushed your character a tree.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Or now that one of your friends has done that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of that. You see your
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: friends doing something horrible.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm like you, I'm up into all of this
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff being available and freedom of choice being
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: a paramount, But the responsibility to educate it's got to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: start at a young age.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, especially if you're if you're using
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: things that are on apps. You know, apps are just
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: young people are so accustomed to using apps, and most
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: apps are giving you that same jolt, that same dopamine brush.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just I think you should be able
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: to do whatever you want to do, but you should
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And that's where the problem is.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to figure out what you're doing
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: from your knucklehead friends.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I was going to suggest that we
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: had a whiskey, but I know that's going to ruined
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: my day if I did, because I'll get nothing else done.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Some people have like such a great time drinking during
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: the day. It just doesn't suit me, man.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: You know, if I have a drink at lunch, either
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: I'm asleep by five o'clock, right or I'm raging at
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: five am. So it's like I've learnt over time drink
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: during the day.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I stopped drinking entirely for about seven months something
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: like that, and then I decided to occasionally have a drink,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: so I'll have like a glass of wine at dinner
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: or a margarita out with my wife. But that's it.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I stopped there. I don't drink drink anymore, like, let's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: go get drinks. I haven't done that in a long time,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and the reason why is because I just felt like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: shit because I was just doing it too many nights
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: a week, and then my workouts would suffer in the morning,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, why am I doing this? I do
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: everything so healthy and this one stupid thing that I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: do that let me just try not doing it. See
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: if if you.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Also noticed as you got a little older, that the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: hangos they don't go away after a couple of hours. Sure.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: It's also one of the most important things in my
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: life is energy and how much energy do I have
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: to do things? Like it's not just about doing things,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: it's about doing them with focus and enthusiasm, And when
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: you don't have energy, it's very difficult to muster up
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: that enthusiasm.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I hate that feeling that the follow that you know,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: I've had a great time the night before, Yeah, but
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: the following day nothing gets done because I had fun
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: the night before. I just yeah, I just feel that it's,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: you know, such a waste is we've only got X
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: amount of days, right, But.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Just managing the human mind and managing like what to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: do and what not to do and when to do it,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: it's such an important part of being an adult, and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: it's one of the things that's just not explained to kids.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: They love that old Bill Hick's routine where he asked
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: the question, you know, the last time you're in a
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: social situation, it will be a private party, a concert,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: a sporting event, and people started fighting. Were they stoned
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: or were they drunk?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Don't get why people can be so aggressively negative towards marijuana,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: yet you know, half a dozen dozen drinks for them
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: socially is of course, you know, it's easy. It's like
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: these two things, you know, are very different outcomes. Yeah,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: you're not going to have the you know, people aren't
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: going to be attacking the base camp when they're all stoned,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: but they may well have a go at it when
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: they're on the piss.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because of propaganda from the nineteen thirties. That's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: all that is down to Harry Anslinger and William run
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Our First.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: But you know it also connects to the formation of
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: the United Nations.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Does it.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Take Thailand for example, the country it's had hundreds of
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: years of cultural marijuanas, but in order to join the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: United Nations, they had to accept an American attitude towards
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: drug laws. Just recently they've taken those drug laws away,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: and now they're in a bit of panic because they
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: didn't plan it very well because like you know, reality
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: break is. I think, you know, California did it through
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Arnold Swartzenegger properly, knowing exactly how you're going to tax
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: and where the money's going to when you do tax
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: for the consumption. And so I think, you know, one
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty or something were more shops sprung up
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: overnight in Bangkok and they're like, oh, gee, that was
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: that went quicker than we thought it was going to go.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: But I think it's actually great for Thailand. It's you know,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: a drug that particularly suits the groove of that country.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, for sure, the food is so incredibly tasty,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: and the beaches and the sunshine and the heat and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: you know, so yeah, it's sort of but that's what
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I was told. I was told that it comes down
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: to a decision that they had to make in order
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: to join the global community.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. That makes sense. The United States has
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: pushed that on everybody else. In Texas, there's a lot
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: of push from the alcohol lobby. I try to make
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: marijuana even more illegal.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because people don't necessarily have to drink that much.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they're worried about. They're worried about people
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: talking about alcohol. It's a stupid I mean, the fact
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: that it works is crazy. That people are still with
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: like zero deaths, ever, that they're still pushing, you know,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: to take this one drug away when you've got one
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: drug that everybody uses. It's very strange. But it all
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: really goes back to the nineteen thirties, you know, and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: it was really just about the commodity of hemp more
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: than it really was even about the drug. You know
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: the history of that.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I know a bit about the making of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: rope from hemp. Yeah, because of Master and Commander and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: spending a lot of time on toll sailing ships.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was about an invention, and there was
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a new invention called the decordicator, and it allowed them
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: to effectively process hemp fiber with a machine because before
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: that it was very time intensive, very labor intensive to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: break it down because it's a very very strong fiber.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: So then Popular Science magazine has it on the cover
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: hemp the new billion dollar crop because of this machine, right,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: And so then William Randolph Hurst who also owned owned
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Hurst Publications. He also owned paper mills, so paper mills,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: he owned forests where he'd make paper out of the forest.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden, there's this competing commodity where they're
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: going to use hemp for paper. It's a far superior
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: paper hemp is going to It's way quicker to grow
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: and grow entire fields of it. In a year, you
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: get a whole new crop. Like it's not like trees
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: that take years and years to grow before you can
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: chop them down and make paper out of them. And
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: so then they started printing these stories about Mexicans and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: blacks that are raping white women because they're on this
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: new drug called marijuana.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Right, the jazz cigarette.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so marijuana they was really the term for
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: a wild Mexican tobacco. It wasn't didn't even apply to cannabis.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: So they made a new name for it, and they
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: attached this new name, and they got Congress to ban it.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: And before they didn't even understand it was hemp. Like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: most people didn't know what was going on. They thought
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: there was this new drug that was like running through
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the world, and they just pulled the wool over everybody's eyes.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: And they did it because of a commodity. And then
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: they made Read for Madness and all those crazy movies
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh my goodness, if you smoke Reefer,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: you're gonna die, You're gonna jump out of buildings. Meanwhile,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: people had been smoking it for thousands of years. It's
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: like pretty amazing way of manipulating public perception and using propaganda.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: And you know, William Randolph Hurst obviously the subject of
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: the movie Rose Bud, who's a real piece of shit.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Cuisan Kane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse me, because Citizen Kane,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: he was a real piece of ship. It's a real
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: bad guy.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: You know, according to folkloric tales, he did everything he
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: could to prevent Awson Wells from becoming the filmmaker that
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: he should have become.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Right after he made that film. Yeah, and it seems
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: like he was effective with it, because you know, Citizen
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Kane was so good. And then years later he's doing
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: wine commercials right for money.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a funny thing. It's like a recording where
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: he's trying to do a voiceover for the Norwegian salmon
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: or something. It's getting more and more pissed off with
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: the young producers trying to get him too. Yeah, to
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: read it in a certain way.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fucked man, because you see.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Those little footage bits of the who's the tilting at
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Windmills Feller don Quixote. Yeah, he went went to Mexico
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: somewhere and he sort of started shooting little bits and
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: pieces for potentially a Don Quixote movie. But it's just madness.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: It's like there's nothing, there's nothing in that that could
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: actually be in a film.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: He just had gone crazy.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: But is a bloke. We'll get a bloke with a donkey,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: We'll have him walking over there, will shoot that. You know,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: it's like but it's like, there's nothing cohesive that you
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: could make a movie from.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's just from the pressure of essentially
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: being like one of the first guys to ever get canceled.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: He just probably lost his mind potentially, right absolutely, because
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: you would you.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Would think that Citizen Kane is your passport to a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: lifetime of being financed for whatever idea you want to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: put onto film.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's to this day a
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: classic film that people talk about. And then also you're
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the same guy that did the War of Worlds. You
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: read that on the radio and freaked half the country
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: out right, the same guy, And so, I mean he
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: was a wonder kid, right, he was guy that, like
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: everybody thought was like a once in a lifetime talent,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and he snuffed out Yeah. And back then, you have
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: to consider if you're William Randolph Hurst, you have Hurst Publications,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: You're essentially in control of whatever narrative you want to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: push forth, and no one's gonna get in your way.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: So all you would have to do is make some
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: phone calls. And that guy, fuck him. He doesn't work again, right.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Crazy a little bit, a little bit. We've got way
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: too much power in the hands of media moguls. Yeah,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: as we go on, that reduction of opinion just keeps happening.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: You know, one company swallows another swallows another. And I
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: think we're in situation now in America right when you know,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago there was two dozen major media companies
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: or thirty years ago, and now it's three now.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: That's czy.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: And just like with the share market and the biggest
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: companies in the world, they end up owning each other. Yeah,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: so it's not three big companies it's really just one
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: with three different names.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they decide what the news is. It's nuts.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: But that's the one beautiful thing about today is that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: independent media takes up the slack and often gets more
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: views than ma, you know, air quote mainstream corporate media.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And so now corporate media is forced to report on
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: things eventually, like The New York Times is forced to
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: report on certain things that are inconvenient eventually, where they
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: would have just liked to have ignored it. But it
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: gets so big in the zeitgeist that it has to
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: become something that's discussed. And that's that's fascinating because it's
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: like dragging them into the reality that the Internet lives in,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: which is a reality of a free exchange of information.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: The whole whole horizon of television just so dramatically different,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: now so different. You know, I get to a hotel
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: and I'll scroll through one hundred and sixty a vailable panels.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: There's nothing I'm interested in watching. It's like, how is
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: that even possible?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: It's also watching something that's already going, like it starts
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: at seven? Why why doesn't I start whatever? I sit
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: down right? This is stupid, Like you have an old model.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: This model's dumb. It's like radio versus podcasts, the same
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. It's like, no one wants to have
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: to be listening sitting in their car waiting for you
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to finish a sentence. They want to hit pause, go
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck they're doing, come back and play again.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: This is a dumb way you're doing things. You're doing
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: things on eight PM. It's Mikey and the Boys, And.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: I see, I never had that life, you know that.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: The last time I remember that being a thing is
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: maybe in high school, right where my mom and dad,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: well my mom particularly would like to watch Dallas, so
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: we would all get together and watch Dallas at eight
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: o'clock or whatever on a Tuesday or whatever. And that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: just doesn't it just hasn't happened in my life at
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: all anymore.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: The last time it happened, I think for me was
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: the Sopranos on HBO because it was on I believe
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: it was on Sunday nights and everybody knew what time
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: it was on. And you go home and I had
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: a TVO back then. You remember those where he could
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: record shows and go back and watch them later and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: pause them and stuff like that. And it was like
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: revolutionary before streaming. Oh my god, you could record shows
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: and watch them whatever you want.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Embarrassingly, I've only ever seen maybe four or five Sopranos episode. Yeah,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: and every time I watch it, I go I cannot
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: believe that I didn't get overtaken by this at the time,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: because Gandafini was a mate. I met him like early
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: nineties or yeah, early nineties in New York. Him and
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: a friend of Michael Lenny Lofton used to rent a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: place together on forty fourth and ninth in Hell's Kitchen.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, this is like an apartment on the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: maybe the fourth floor of a building, and there were
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: a couple of windows. They didn't even have glass in
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: They had like plastic sheets and a blanket nailed up
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: against the window. And that's that's what, you know, the
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: situation that Gandefini was in when I first met him. Wow,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: a few years later it was obviously very successful. But
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: my youngest son, Tennyson, it's like Sopranos expert. You can
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: say a line to him and he'll know what episode,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: what season and who said that. Wow, it's like he's
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: so into it. And you know, when I have started
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: watching him very recently. Actually, some ducks landed on a
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: pool on the farm, so I took a photo and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: there was like thousands of comments or whatever. It was
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: straight away go, just like Tony Soprano. I had no
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: idea what people were talking about. I had to discuss
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: it with my son because I was the sequence. So
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I watched that sequence with the ducks. Yeah. But Gandafini, Man,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: what a great actor. He was a great.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Character on that show. He was so he was. It
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: was the first guy who was essentially the hero of
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: the show who was a murderer, a murderer, a terrible person,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: a mob boss and you liked them right. It was
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: insane like that, the fact that he could pull that,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: he had the depth to pull off that where he's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: doing horrible things to people and you're rooting for him.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: You're rooting for him. You're not hoping he gets shot.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: You want telling you to live.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Who's that guy that you have it on here every
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: now and then? Joey Diaz, Yeah, Yeah, he's a funny guy.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's the funniest guy that's ever.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: I heard him tell that story one time about the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: same week that Cinderella Man came out. I went to
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: the premiere of Longest Shout because you know, Chris Rock
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: was in that and stuff, and there's a few people
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: in that cast who I really like, And so I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: went to the movie and I just remember him telling
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: the story about the lights come up and he didn't
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: realize he was sitting next to me or whatever. I
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: think it'd be a very dangerous room for me and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Joey Diaz to be. I think we'd be having.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: You guys have a good time a little bit. Joe
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: brings the party. He's the funniest guy I've ever met.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Oh man, he's got some stories.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, they never end I met I've known
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: him for fucking thirty years. He's always got a new story.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: He's just a maniac. And you know, I mean went
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: to jail for armed kidnapping. Kidnapped a drug dealer with
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: a machine gun. Yeah, he was sad of his mind
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: on coke. Yeah he was. He was a wild fella.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: He was a wild fella when he was young. When
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: I met him, he was like, right out of jail.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: How did you meet Jimmy Ka?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I think I met Jimmy at the comedy store. I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: believe pretty sure. You know I already know about him. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: I've heard you known about him. Caught a fucking great guy. Yeah, man,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: it's so funny. Oh my god, he's performed at the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Mothership last time he was in town. When we're all
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: in the balcony watching, he's so good, so crisp, the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: punchlines are so he's so good, such a pleasure.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: And he just keeps educating himself. Yeah, you know he's
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: got this voracious mind.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Well he's a brilliant guy, you know. And to see
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: that brilliance applied to an art forum, you know, to comedy.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: It's like you're seeing he's just as funny and casual conversation.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you sit down, we have a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: chat because we spend a little bit of time together.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because he's, you know, significantly younger than me,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: but he's teaching me stuff. You know, I've never been
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: a vacation person. For example. You know, there's work and home,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: but home isn't often fully RESTful because you know, I've
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: got a football team, I've got other businesses. I've got
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: the farm to run, you know, cows to look after
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. So, but a couple
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: of years ago he just put it in my mind, like,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: let's just say we'll take these dates and I'll meet
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: you somewhere, you know. So the first time we did it,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: we met up in Pulia in the southern Italy, and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: earlier this year we met up in my Baya. I've
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: already booked a vacation for next year. I don't do that.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: But it's like that thing of going somewhere which isn't
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: home and it isn't work, having no agenda, sort of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: hanging out by the pool reading a book right from
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: beginning to end, you know, without having to sort of
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: put it aside and come back to it a week
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: later and go, what was the protagonist doing again? You know. Yeah,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: it's very interesting. It's very interesting that I should be
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting this late life education from a
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: British comedian.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: That is funny that he's teaching you how No, no
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: wife taught you how to do that. It's a I
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: think there's a reason why people go on vacations. They're
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: not all stupid, you know. There's a benefit to it. Yeah,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: But see, I didn't grow up in that sort of family.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: We didn't have the money for that sort of thing.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: You know. We went on one big family holiday in
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy where we all piled into my dad's station
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: wagon and we drove from Sydney up to northern Queensland.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Cyclone came through on the way, so we have like
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: four days of sunshine and twenty six days of rain.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: So living in a caravan playing monopoly. So it's not
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: like I look back, Oh, I remember the great vacations
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: of my childhood. So it's like, you know, my dad
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: used to run pubs, so you don't get holiday. You know,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: you're based on the licensing laws. You have to be
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: the first person there in the morning, you have to
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: be the last person there at night. So we kind
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: of lived that sort of life where everything was based
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: on the running the pub, you know. So but it's cool.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: It's a good time for me to learn about it now.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Well, don't you think, like, as a person who does
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: anything creative, you have to have a bunch of different
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: kinds of experiences to draw from, and if you just
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: stay in the same environment all the time, it's probably
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: generally not good for you. Like you need to go
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: see other people, you need to go different places, not
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: just to refresh and relax, but also to take in.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: You see, I do so much traveling for work, you know, yeah,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: for work.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Oh that's what I was going to ask you. Why
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: are they doing a Portland film in Munich? Is it
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: that cheap to go? Like? How about they fuck up
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Portland that it's cheaper to go to Munich to film?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Well, what it is you have tax incentives that are
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: being offered various places, and that happens a lot here.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: There'll be you know, X amount of movies pretty much
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: in every every state who can apply for a tax incentive,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: and some states are more competitive than others Louisiana, for example, Georgia.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: The California basically gives you nothing. So it's very hard
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: to shoot in California. Well, the thing is it's such
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: a busy place in the studios there. The studios would
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: rather have a television show that's going to be there
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: for a decade a movie that's in and out in
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: four months. You know, it's better for them. So, but
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: it's you know the world has opened up hugely in
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: the last thirty years in terms of film production, and
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: you know you're taking advantage of homegrown film talent and
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: then building on that with international investment.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Well that's great, that's a great aspect.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: No, Australia has a big history, for example, of making films. Technically,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: arguably the first full length feature film, the True History
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: of the ned Kelly Gang might have been called, That
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: was like nineteen oh six, no eight, something like that
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: was made.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: In Australia, really.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: And you know all the way through, but you know,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: it takes to about the seventies or whatever. Then you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: have this sort of new generation of Australian filmmakers who
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: are actually making stories that reflect the current culture. And
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's sort of happening worldwide as well.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Have you seen talk to Me? Talk to Me is
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: a fantastic horror movie that these two young guys from
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying the right name right, they were on the podcast.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's talked to Me. It's about this
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: dead hand that someone found. What are the gentlemen's names.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: Danny and Michael Philippo.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: I think philipp who Philippoo.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hilarious guys, just bundles of energy. They're fucking nuts.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: But this was like their first real film that they made.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: They put together this and they did it all themselves
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: and it's a horror movie and it's really good. It's
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: like where they're from. They're from Australia. I don't know
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: what part Jami'll find out.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: There they are, these two fellas and they you know,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: they finish each other's sentences. They're just nuts and they're
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: just like they're on ten all the time. Cool didn't
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: say Adelaide. There you go, right, So they're thirty two.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: But that's ampletely Australian made movie that was a hit
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: worldwide recently. Obviously Mad Max Joe.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: When you start going through it, you sort of do
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: realize there's been you know, probably a much larger percentage
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: than you would expect given the population of the country
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of people in film, whether it's directors of
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: photography or directors themselves, editors and the actors.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: How many famous actors. It's crazy.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, man, It's really bad. When I was a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: young fella making my first movies, you had Mel Gibson
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: and Judy Davis, but Mel was born in America, so
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: it didn't really count. You know, there was other guys around,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: like you know, Brian Brown had done Cocktail and gorillas
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: in the mist. Prior to that, you have guys like
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Jack Thompson. But when you really look into it, you know,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: then you have these other guys. It goes all the
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: way back to Errol Flynn. There is a connection all
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the way through that. You know, there are certain people
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: working in the business.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Flynn was Australia.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Errol Flynn was Australia.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Was born in Tasmania. Wow, And either born in Tasmania
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: or born in Papua New Guinea and grew up in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: either place. But I think he was born in Tasmania.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: But if you think about it since the early nineties,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: you know, Nicole Kidman, Kate Blanchette, Hugh Jackman, Chris Hammersworth,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Crazy Margot Robbie. It's just outrageous. Jeffrey Rush. You know,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: there's like name after name after name of people who've
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: made you know, significant contribution cinema.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you consider the population size, which is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: sam There's the population of the entire country is basically
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: la right.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: It's twenty five mil. Yeah, it's basically southern California, and
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: it's gigantic, you know, but it's hard to explaining to
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: people you know, you show them where the major cities
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: are and they go, oh, yeah, what happens in the middle, Yeah,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: not a lot.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be there.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: It's mainly desert. It's like, you know, if you like
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: wide open spaces, you're welcome. And a lot of things
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: can kill you, a lot of things, a lot of things. Yeah,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: just had a little sort of thing on the farm. Actually,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend's got a papion dog, which is beautiful dog,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: sort of long haired, and it got a paralysis tick
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: and they realized, she realized that between her and this
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: other girl that looks after the puppy woman not there,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: they've got their dates mixed up, and so it wasn't
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: actually covered for flea and tick, you know, stuff in
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: its bloodstream, so very dangerous. So they had to shave
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: the dog completely and everything. They pulled off another couple
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: of ticks, but there was only just the one paralysis tick.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: So it's okay, but if you leave that, and if
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: you don't deal with it, the dog's going to be
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: dead in it. It gets into their into their body,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: and it is affects them the way the name says
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: on the box, that.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: One that's going on in America now called the well.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: But what it gives it's it's a lone star tick
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: is what gives you this bite and this produces something
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: called alpha gal and it makes you allergic to red meat. Yeah,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: it's my friend, my good friend, Evan Hay forgot it
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: and he he was allergic to red meat for a
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: good solid year and then eventually it went away, and
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: then it came back again recently. It's it's a huge
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: pain in the ass.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: So we have ticks in Australia, but we've never had
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: to deal with lyme disease like you have here. But
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: in the last you know, four or five decades, people
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: started raising deer in Australia for meat and what have you,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: and a few of them get away. You know, there's
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: there's no deer farms around where I am, which is
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: north of Sydney by six hundred k But recently a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: couple of the guys who worked for him on the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: farm said they've seen deer going through the bush at
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: the back of my block, you know. So that means
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: that there's some just animals that have escaped, and they're
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: most likely to have been in the Southern Highlands, which
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: is south of Sydney. Somehow they've got themselves all the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: way up to where I am.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: How many miles is that or k.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we're probably talking about seven hundred something kilometers.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: They just wandered, yeah wow.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: And didn't get run over or didn't get you know, that's.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Crazy, absolutely, and they probably bring.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: In tecks probably and the wrong kind of tics.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: In America they have a problem with that too. Deer
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: farms and this disease called chronic wasting disease, and it's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: spread throughout the large swaths of America have a giant
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: issue with this where deer herds get infected. My friend
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: Doug Duran, he has a farm out in Wisconsin and
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: they've had a significant problem with it to the point
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: where they've started issuing more tags and thinning the herd.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: They're trying to kill more deer to try to lessen
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: this spread of this stuff. Because chronic wasting disease it
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: gets it's a preon disease, so it's like it gets
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: on plants, it stays on them for a long time,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: so they start drooling when they have it, and in
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: that drool is more chronic wasting disease. So another deer
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: will come along and grays on the ground where they drooled.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Then they get it horrible, horrible disease, and a lot
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: of it emanated from these deer farms.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: When I first bought the farm, which was one hundred
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: and acres to style with, but it's now like seventeen
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: hundred that it's attached to a state forest as well,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: so I can get up behind my place and go
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: for days. Oh wow, which is just sort of like,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: you know, which is cool. But back in the day
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: we used to have platypus in the creeks, we have wombats.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Now I see more foxes down I see native animals,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: or I see an equivalent amount of foxes that I see. Wallabies.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Are foxes invasive?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're absolute, you know, because they eat anything
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: and everything. I used to have a big family of
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: what we call bush turkeys living behind the house, and
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: they're still there. But they used to just proudly walk around,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: you know, and it was fun. You're going through the
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: bush and then suddenly there's a road full of bush turkeys.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: That's great, you know. But now the population is right
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: down and they're totally ninja now, you know, you don't
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: see them very often when you do, they're like very suspicious.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: That's checking out, you know, Foxes Man.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you also have a large feral cat problem.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Right, Gigantic Gigantic, the one and only cat that I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: let my mother have at the farm. This is way
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: back when I was training for Cinderella Man, and you know,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: they sent me this group of boxes Olympic guys and
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and every single one of them can
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: smash the piss out of me in the ring, so
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: I've got to smash the piss out of them in
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: other area. So I training until they drop, you know,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: getting them on bicycles and taking them into the bush,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: you know, things like that, just to sort of like
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: kick the.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Balance, you know.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: And this one particular day and I had it in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: my mind that I was just going to absolutely smash them.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to get into the situation because there's
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: one road, you know, and I was just going to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: get so far in front of them psychologically damage them,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: you know. So I just had a conversation with my
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: mom and she was like, oh, darling, you know, you know,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: I'd really love to have a cat. And I'm like, Mum,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: we lived in this privileged situation We've got sulfur crested cockatoos,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Rosella's king parrots, all these beautiful birds, and the worst
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: thing that we could do for them is put a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: cat into that. So you can't have a cat, you know.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I'm riding through the bush twenty five thirty k's in
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: the point right and getting to the top of this hill.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm looking down. I'm seeing these boys struggling quite some distance,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: probably about a kilometer and a half away from it,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm going I'll just have a little
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: rest here, and I just hear this little noise and
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell was that? So I just
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: take three or four steps off the road. You know,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: probably about seven or eight minutes ago, I was coming
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: around this corner and a car was there on the road,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: which is kind of unusual for the state forest in
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: that particular area, right, So I take these three or
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: four steps in and there's a little kitten sitting in
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: the bush.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Like the hell, so I pick it up.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: It's warm, you know, I can't leave it here, so
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I put it in my backpack, right, and I complete
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: the ride to get to the top of this hill
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: where this trig station is, and everybody's standing around and
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: I go, oh, I found a cat, so bring it out.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Everyone's all these big boxes go you know, little kitten.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: So I took get home to my mom. I said, Okay,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: here's your cat.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: And the way that I reasoned it is like, this
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: is me saying to my mother, you cannot have something
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: that will make you happy, and then the universe goes,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: listen to your mother. Yeah, I don't know that cat
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: hated human beings for the rest of its life.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: The only person that got on with was my mom.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: And we used to have like four bells around its
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: neck so to get the birds enough warning so it
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: didn't cause too much damage. So was a feral cat then,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: I think?
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Or was it tossed out of that car? I think so.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was too clean and too warm for it
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: to be living. But that's what people do. They have
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: a problem. They have a cat that has a litter.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: They don't know how to solve it. Pet stores don't
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: want it, their friends don't want it, so they come
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: up with the concept of just chucking them into the bush.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't it start out what they brought the introduced
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: cats to try to eliminate some other animal.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: We have such a history of stupidity in that regard.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of the cane toad. Yes, it's it's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: just so fantastic, right, So you know, they're growing sugar
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: cane in Queensland and there's a particular flying creature that
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: they want to control, so they start looking around. We
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: always blame the British for this because it's usually it's
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: usually a naturalist and British naturalist or scientist that comes
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: up with the concept and so they look through all
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: the eyes. Can't remember where they found it from, but
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: they found this toad who seemed to have this appetite
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: for this particular insect, and they would feed it and
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: it ate it them. Great Soul introduced the cane toad
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: to get amongst the sugar cane unless than that creature.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: When they were checking if the cane toad would eat
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: the creature, they were feeding it dead ones. Right, it's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: a flying creature. Toad doesn't have a tongue like a frog.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: Can't catch this thing if it's flying. So it was
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: of no use at all in China. Less that population, however,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: it became like a dominant species and it was in Queensland,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: but now it's started to come in you Southwales, so
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: they're basically marching south and it's a problem. It's like
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: a serious problem. They secrete poison, so if a dog
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: gets interested and the toe gets afray, the dog can
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: sort of like sniff a lock its head then get
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: poisoned and that's the end of your dog, you know.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: But there was a period of time there where there's
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: actually a documentary from the nineties core cane Toads, and
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: it sort of just points out how crazy people were
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: getting with it. You know, people in a small country
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: towns walking from the house to the pub, taking a
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: cricket bat and just smacking the cane toads off the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: road as they went. It's like all these people becoming like,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: you know, crazed with the idea of getting rid of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: the cane toad population. But it hasn't affected them. They
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: just keep growing.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: How much is the population now? How big is it?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: So big? And these things, Jamie, can you do me
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: a favor look up the weight of the largest cane
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: toad that they found, because it's it's always a surprise
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: these things grow and if they're in the right environment
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: and things that they can eat and feed on. They
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: just get bigger and bigger. The biggest.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Mate, whoa, that's like an English bulldog.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: D it's bigger than my dog.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, look at his head. What is the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: weight on that fucker?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: What does it say?
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: That's crazy? Yeah?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Another one that had I gotta weight.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: There and say how big the record? Oh fat, that
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: fucker is two point sevens.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: Wow, that looks bigger than five on eight pounds.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: It does, but it might be a perspective thing either way.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: The current one, Oh, show the video scroll up so
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: you can see that video or make it larger like
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: wish he's holding it. Yeah, it looks like about five pounds. Boy,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen when they there's a lot of
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: horrible videos online where they take toads and they put
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: them in a box with mice. You ever see what
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: toads do to mice. You would never think that toads
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: are ferocious, you know, you never think that toads are
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: basically monsters. These just giant mouthed monsters that swallow mice whole.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: But they do. They're super aggressive. It's crazy to watch, Jamie,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get one. Worth is this a
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: good one. But there's a there's ones where there's a
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of them in boxes. See this one is kind
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: of weird because he's not freaking out yet, it's being sneaky.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: What's that? Look at that head? Look at his head?
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: I mean if that thing was giant, like that was
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: hippopotamus shaped chasing after you. Look how quick that is?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: How did he get it? He must be close to them,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: and look he just swallowed them home. Watch how quick
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: he does.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: It's just one step forward and back, just snap.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Go see if you can find one of them videos
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: he just inhales them like he literally inhaled him. Oh,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: he grabbed him with the tongue first, he yanked him in.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Oh god, see if you can find those videos where
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of them in a box. H either
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: way bullfrog, giant African bullfrog? Either way. Point is, they
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: eat mice, They eat them a whole. And how many
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: of them are now in Australia? How many million are?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: Here?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: We go? This guy's just gonna go ham so the starts.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: He canna eat all of them. Look how gross those
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: things are. They look so dumb, just so mindless and
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: and gross.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna get all of them.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: He hasn't gotten any of them. What's going on here?
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Just gathering them in a corner.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: It's a creepy animal. So and so what are the
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: numbers like? Put that into perplexity. Yeah, how many cane
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: toads ascar sponsor? How many cane toads are in Australia?
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: What was the initial deposit?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: How many they drop off?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: It was only a couple hundred, and then they bred
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: like sixty thousand and nineteen thirty seven And the answer
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: for now is estimated at two hundred millions.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: And that little fly that eats the sugar cane is
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: still there.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, two hundred million.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: But see look if you see where those that see
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: that cluster of light blue balls, right, they basically in
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: there in the middle of that, that cluster is where
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: they dropped them to start with. And look at how
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: they've well they're going to make their way forty nine.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: So the white one is actually where they put them
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: to start Wow. Anything else is migration.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: And by two thousand, look how fire they've gone. Wow,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: what's the plan to get rid of those things?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that they have a paid plan.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: There's no plan. Well that's the problem. If they have
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: a plan, they're going to bring in some lizard or something.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to end up doing something else.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to kill everything else.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: Every single time they've done that, you know, like in
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: New Zealand, for example, they introduced the gorse bush as
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: a way to have hedging instead of fences. But New
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: Zealand's got a way higher rainfall and sunshine hours than
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: England where it came from. So now it's just everywhere,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: you know, so beautiful arrowle farmlands just taken over by
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: gorse and when it grows in astra in New Zealand,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: it grows thicker and more prickly and much harder to
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: deal with. We have the same thing in Australia with
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: plants like lantana just everywhere, all through the bush. You know.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: In my lifetime, so in ninety six, I used to
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: be able to walk through certain areas of my property
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: just under tall trees with you know, subtropical ferns and
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: vines on the ground. Now there's many areas of my
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: property that are just impossible. You cannot get through it
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: anymore because it's choked out with introduced weeds.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: What is that crazy plant down south that we talked
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: about once that has overrun some of these forests. It's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: pretty beautiful, but it's also very creepy to see what
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: it's done, just like taking all for all the trees,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: all the trees, all the anything on the ground, just
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: covered wisteria called kodzuo kod zoo. I'll make sure that. Yeah,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: that's it. Look at that, right, isn't that nuts?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: Like that image is creepy.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's my place, man, I used to
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: have the water poles and creeks.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Look at that. It's taking over that whole building. Crazy everything. Yeah,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: just where they come from.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: So that's in Fiji.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the United States though, So what was it?
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: How was it brought in? Oh? Did people bring in
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: on purpose?
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: That's where it's originated from.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Sorry, right, history of US introduction introduced from Japan in
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six Les exposition. Oh, that's where I heard.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of it. Vine was widely marked in
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: the southeast as an ornamental plant and just took over. Wow.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: It's funny when people try to do that because they
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: never learn and yet they still try the same thing.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: There's so many times they've been introduced invasive species. I
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: have a buddy of mine that's not necessarily an invasion species,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: but I have a buddy of mine who lives in Colorado,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: and they just reintroduced wolves into this area where they
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: have farms. And so they took wolves from Washington State
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: where they had been killing cows, and so they had
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: to relocate them. So where they relocated them to them,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: they're relocated them to a place with cows. But of
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: course these wolves start killing cows again.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: Haven't they shown them in one of the national parks
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: here that by supporting the apex predator, a whole bunch
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: of other problems get solved.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: That's by the Yellowstone reintroduction. And so that's called How
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Wolves Changed Rivers Right that documentary, there's a lot of
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: people that push back against that. I think you definitely
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: need predators because there was at one point in time
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: an overpopulation of elk in Montana to the point where
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: they were having winter seasons, winter rifle seasons where they
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: would issue a lot of tags. So in the winter
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: they're stuck in deep snow and you just go pick
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: them off, right you know, and it was because they
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: had so many that it was actually detrimental to the
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: herd itself, to the health of the herd itself, So
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: they reintroduced wolves. The population drop by I think more
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: than forty percent. It might have been more than that.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: It might have been I don't know. See how much
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: elk's population has dropped since the introduction of wolves into
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Montana in the Yellowstone Introduction. So there's definitely a balance
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: that needs to be achieved. The problem is that area
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: where they're doing that, then the elk are gonna eat
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: They're gonna the wolves. Rather, they are gonna eat the elk,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: And occasionally they'll stray onto cattle and then they they're
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: allowed to issue predation tags and you can get a
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: problem wolf killed. But what they did in Colorado is
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: they brought them right to where the cows are. They
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: took wolves that had a history of they know how
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: to kill cows, that's what they do. They know how
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: to kill calves. They've been doing it for their whole lives.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: And they took them and they introduced them to a
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: place where there's no protection. No one's ready for it,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: no one has guards set up. They don't have dogs
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: set up, they have anything set up to stop wolves.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: So it so, let's see, when the reintroduction was nineteen
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: ninety five, the winter count was approximately seventeen thousand elk
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: when wolf reintroduction began. Fall to fell to ten thousand
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: by two thousand and three. By twenty thirteen, only three thousand,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: nine hundred and fifteen elk represents a drop of roughly
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: seventy five percent from pre reintroduction numbers. That's kind of crazy,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: But nineteen thousand is too many, that's kind of nuts.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: That's that's so that's an overpopulation that can lead to
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: disease and famine and all kinds of things. And you
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: don't have a good stable ecosystem with both predators and prey,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: you get a situation like you have a New Zealand
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: where they have to gun down stag. Sometimes they have
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: to helicopter stags because they just get overpopulated.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: You know, New Zealand is one of those places where
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: all these game animals from Europe were introduced specifically to
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: set up New Zealand as a beautiful hunting refuge. Right, Well,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: they would go there and hunt stack. But you know
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: the problem is you have to have balance, like this
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: whole city. You can't just enter into like human ideas,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like oh well one plus one is two,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: so we'll just add one now we got No, it's
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: not out works, like you have to maintain the population
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: of these creatures that you've now dropped off with no
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: natural balance.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: We have a big problem in certain areas of Australia
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: with wild horses.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah they have.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: America call them mustangs. We call thembies. You know, obviously
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: the horse was really important in Australia when it was
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: being opened up and first colonized and populated and what
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: have you. And then you know, first of all war
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: we still had lighthorse cavalry and what have you. So
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: in certain areas, but mainly in the area where the
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: mountains are on Australia, which crosses between New South Wales
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: into the state of Victoria. And you know, we name
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: things pretty simply in Australia. You know, the black snake
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: with red on its stomach is the red belly black snake.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: You know, we keep it pretty simple for the tourists.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: And what's that brown snake called. That's it's called a
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: brown snake. Mat So that area of the country is
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: called the Snowy Mountains, and you know, we have this
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: sort of cultural connection to the Brumbies, which is things
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: like you know, the Man from Snowy River is based
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: on guys going out to capture wild horses. But the
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: population of wild horses has got a point where it's
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: destroying the ecosystem of that area. So now they have
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: to go and find a way of bringing that population down.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: And it's very difficult for people, particularly somebody like me.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: I love I love horses, but I have to put
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: that love for horses aside to what it's doing to
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: the rest of the native animals. And in Australia we've
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: like blessed with so many unusual and fantastic creatures, but
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: we haven't really been good husbands of the land and
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: we haven't really focused on what's good for them.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: So you have a good buddy mine, Adam green Tree,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: who lives in Australia, and he tells me that people
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: actually hunt the wild horses.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it sounds it sounds rough, but
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: you know, we've got to do something because the quite frankly,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: the wombats and the platypus and the quakers and the
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: kangaroos and the wallabies are a little bit more important
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: wall horses.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a strange thing, you know, the balance
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: of nature. It's a very strange thing. And it's it's
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: very complex. There's so many elements to it. That's that's
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: what they were trying to highlight in that Wolves Change
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: River documentary. The problem with that Wolf Change River documentary
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: is the guy who created that is a proponent of rewilding,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: uh to the point where I think he wants to
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: reintroduce like dangerous predators to Europe. Like he's he's got
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: some crazy ideas about rewilding, like going way back. I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: mean the.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Kids that I was talking to you about. Merlyn Hanbury
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Tennyson came out of school, went in the army, UH,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: did two or three tours, but now has found himself
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: in a situation where he's taken over a block of
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: land that is his father bought in the fifties or
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: sixties or something, and he's turning that block of land
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: back into temperate rainforest and seeing all of these benefits
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: because of it. So instead of trying to you know,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: run run sheep or run some other commercial herd. He's
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: just letting the country go back to what it should
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: be and seeing incredible results because of it. What kind
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: of results, Well, what he's shifted now and is using
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: it for now is like PTSD recovery. So former soldiers
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: of what have just go to this place and and
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: you know, find a new balance because they're you know,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: in that sort of natural environment. But just the without
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: certain creatures eating types of trees as shoots and fresh shootes,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: those trees are actually getting a hole. So it should
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: be you know, oak trees for example, you know, and
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: there's only like you know wars, only just a few there.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: But by taking out the non native animals, is seeing
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: those trees increase. I mean, there's a book I forget
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: it if you could look it up for me. Jamie
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: Merlin Hanbury Tennis in the book just came out. It's
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: a great book, it really is. It's it's as unusual
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: read where you're sort of reading it and you think, okay,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: it's like the re establishment of a temperate rainforest, how
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: can this be good? But then when he ties it
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: in to the life journey of his father and his
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: father's like health problems and stuff, it gets really emotional
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: and it's quite a beautiful reader. I'd highly recommend it.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Could you find it Our Oaken Bones, Our Oaken Bones. Yeah,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: it's a really good read.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nature in that form and its pure form is
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: like a vitamin. I think it really is. I think
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: it's really it's an actual good. You know, like you
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: go out in the sun, the son produces vitamin D.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's something that we haven't quantified yet that
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: you're producing that you get.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're getting around to it. Things like what he's
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: doing where you can actually read the physical benefits for
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: people going in the bush. But that's that's what I
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: get when I go home. I get out into the
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: bush and sometimes you know, I might drive a machine
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: to a certain point and I just get off and
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: I walk and I just listen, and I go and
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: visit trees that I like or areas that I like.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going through a long time ago, I planted
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: like thirty eight thousand trees as a kind of an offset,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: a carbon offset. Now those some of those trees are
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: twenty five plus years old. So I'm going through the process.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: In that forty four acreshere, I've planted that plantation of
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: taking out all the non native undergrowth, and then the
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: next stay is going to be putting back into that
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: area the trees that were ripped out of there prior
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: to the First World War, red cedar and white mahogany
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: and all these things, so, you know, beautiful trees, and
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: with the hope that I put enough in the ground
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: that over time red steater starts popping up all through
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: the valley.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: But this is going to be stuff that happens way
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: after I'm dead. But that process of stripping out the
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: non native stuff, I'm starting to look at that go okay,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: well I'm doing that forty four acres there. I got
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: another two hundred acres over here. I know there's waterfalls,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: I know there's creeks. I want to take all of
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: that lantana and stuff out and revive all that so
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: you can walk through the bush, you know. So but
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: these are processes that I hope that we'll excite my
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: kids to carry on with. We'll see.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Well, that's exciting. It's exciting to know that you have
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: this long term thing that you're doing. It's actually beneficial
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: to the land and brings it back.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: To the where it used to be Yeah, not like
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: in a sort of overbearing way, but like just that
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: little forty four acres hopefully of time, and we're already
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: seeing it now. We're sort of like cause we're clearing
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: things out, we're finding lots of little tiny red seedars
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: that are already there because I put in four point
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: fifty to start with. But my aim is to have
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: you know, within about the next probably two to three years,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: have five thousand red seeds in the ground in that area.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: So it's just amazing when you think about the kind
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: of impact that human beings can have on landscape. It's
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: just humans. Whatever we've done wherever we go, we inevitably
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: alter everything forever. And if you could just take a
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: little bit of it, put it back to the way
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: it was, and then start contributing to these plants regrowing again,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: there's a balance to that. It's very cool that you
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: can achieve that. It's also exciting.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: It's a fit.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: It seems like a cool project.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: It thrills me.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: It has the kind of pressures that you have and
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: the work that you have to do, and the intensity
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: and the long hours on sets, like how many something
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: like that is a godsend. Yeah, your thirty two year
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: old self. Whoever it was, it was crazy Nail. You know,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: I look back and it's just how did I know?
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Because at thirty two, you know, I had a little
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: bit of fame in Australia, but it was nothing compared
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: to what I would have to deal with after that.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: So having that sort of forethought is just interesting. Is
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: there anything that you ever always wanted to do, like
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: a type of film you've always wanted to do that
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: you never got a chance to.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: Well, see, there are definitely guys in my business that
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: covet you know. They go, I want to do this
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: kind of role. I want to be perceived like that,
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: you know. But for me, that's not what I pursue.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: I pursue character, and I only you know, I'm just
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: very practical. I don't get to choose from everything. I
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: only get to choose from what's sent to me. So
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: from what within what is sent to me, I always
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: try to look for a fresh ground. You know, people
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: will ask me, why would you play that kind of character.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, the bottom line is because I didn't do
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: it before. You know, well, you want to play Herman
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: Gerring because nobody's offered it to me in the past,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: and it's a fascinating character. It's a dangerous character, and
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: there's you know, a lot of stuff that goes into
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: being able to play a character like that, but that
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: danger is part of the excitement of the job. And
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: it's not always going to be that way. Sometimes you're
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: playing a character that doesn't really require a lot from you,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: but you've got to play the weight of the character.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: You know, you can't just sort of suddenly make a
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: New York detective act like a superhero because you feel
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: like being a superhero. So it's sort of like, you know,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: you just play the weight of what's required. And then
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: every now and then, you know, you play a character
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: that that sort of has a principal sort of role
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: in the narrative, or is the focus of the narrative.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: But the decision to take on the weight of playing
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: a character that's a Nazi second in charge, that's what
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: was that. That's heavy, right.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that thrill comes from that thing of saying,
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: this challenge is so big, I don't know if I
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: can do this. And then so part of you goes,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: I should leave that aside, and then the other voice goes,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: let's just have a go see what we can do,
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: you know, and see somewhere like Gerring. You know that
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: were nuanced coming up a lot today because we can
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: look at him in the stark, sort of caricature version
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people have in their minds of
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: who he was, but that against the reality of his
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: life and how he grew up, how he was educated,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: was experiences were who he really was as a man.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more to Gurring than just looking at
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: this going all bad man Nazi. You know. He one
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: thing I find fascinating. When he was a kid at school,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: he was like one of the dumbest students in his
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: class at a normal school, and because of his sort
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: of continuous failure, as a punishment, he got sent to
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: military school. In military school, he was a top student
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: because it was stuff that interested him. He comes out
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: of school pretty much on the dawn of the First
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: WLD War, has his first military experience in the infantry
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: as a young officer, gets wounded and realizes that standing
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: on the ground on a battlefield is not really the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: right place for him, and what's interesting him is what
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: keeps going on overhead. So he manufactures a way to
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: get himself assigned to a fighter squadron, is supposed to
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: turn back up for Judy with his infantry squadron, but
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: sort of, you know, manufacturers a way to keep him
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: associated with the fighter squadron. Learns how to become a
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: pilot while he's doing that, and at a certain point
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: in the war they're losing more pilots than they train,
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: so they go he knows how to fly, he can
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: be a pilot. Finishes the First World War with twenty
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: two kills air towear kills. That's three times a fighting ace.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: And he's also because he recently passed in battle. At
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: the end of the First War, he's in charge of
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: the Baron von Richtoffen, the Red Baron's Squadron, which is
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: the pinnacle of the German Air Force. So here he
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: is as a young man, he's finishing that First War
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: experience and he is a fair Dinkham, which means true
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: he is an actual war hero. And so through the
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: twenties he's on cigarette cards in Germany by a packet
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: of cigarettes and there's a picture of herman going wow.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: So and he goes into that political environment, that post
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: Versai environment, with a very definite belief in his country
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: as being something special, and he wants to make a
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: contribution to bring lifting his country out of the maya
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: that it's currently in. So he starts looking for a
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: political connection and ends up going upstairs in a coffeehouse
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: in Munich, I think it was, and hearing a fellow
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: called Adolf Hitler talk and realizes that he has a
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: lot in common with this guy where he sees things
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: and knows that Hitler was a soldier. You know, it's
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: a funny thing we put into the movie at one
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: point because there's a speech about Ramy that Ramy Malick
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: makes about Hitler being a failed painter and a not
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: very good soldier, and I think the response I gave
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: Goerring at the time, which is not in the film,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: but he talked through Hitler's actual military record, and yeah,
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: he didn't he didn't rise above lance corporal, but he
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: turned down promotion three different times. He won an Iron
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: Cross in nineteen fourteen, and then he won a second
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: one in nineteen eighteen, and doing things that were showing
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: such extreme courage that he was awarded the Iron Cross,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: and he delivered messages on the battlefield. He would take
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: the messages from headquarters and take it to the frontline
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: troops and then bring their response back. Things like that.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: You know, so you at one point in time I
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: had going say, you know, you can call him a
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: failed painter, but maybe he got to a certain point
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: in his life where there were more important things to
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: address than painting. So you know, Nuance, You.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: Know, I thought it was also fascinating that you guys
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: delved into the fact that he was an addict.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we only touch on it a little bit, but
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: that's that is crazy. There's a really good book Let's
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: remember the name of normanitz Yes, which gave me a
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: lot of information because when going with the rested, he
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: had something like forty thousand pills on him, forty in
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: his car, right, he had a habit of forty to
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: fifty a day. Right, So you look at him and
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: you can you can see it when you when you
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: know that fact and you start looking at photographs, you
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: can see him kind of leave the planet at a
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: certain point where he's just off his tits all the time.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: You know, from about forty two onwards, he doesn't really
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: have adult's ear anymore. Gebels Himmler, Hydrick they've all taken
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: those positions. The things that he promised he could do
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: with the Lufwaffer didn't actually come off, you know, as strongly.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: They didn't know it at the time, but that's the
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Enigma machine everything. The code's being broken, so no matter
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: what they did, they're always being second guest. So, you know,
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: Hitler's trust of him was adjusted a little bit. And
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: I also sort of liken it to him knowing he's
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: going to get stabbed, so he just doesn't buy the
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: going to the place where he would get stabbed, you know.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: So he does a whole bunch of other stuff, and
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: he keeps his authority, but he's not at in the
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: center of things anymore.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: From because of the pills. A big part of.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: It, big part of it is personal safety because he
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: thinks he's no longer has the definitive ear and trust
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: of his leader. The pills overtake his lifestyle, and he
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: decides to you know, interest himself in and other things
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: for the greater good of Germany, like the collection of
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: great works of art and things like that, you know.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: But there's a you know a lot of things in
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: this story that that are just bigger once you start
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: looking at it and examining the way bigger than what
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: we know or what we commonly understand. And that's what
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: I was looking for, to try and find a way
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: to you know, understand his based motivations. And at the
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: end of the day, he you know, in his own way,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: he's a pure patriot, just so happens to be a
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: sort of a set of beliefs or whatever that most
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: of us in the Western world would call a barrand wow.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: And and you've got to take into consideration the drug
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: aspect of the entire Nazi movement. All the troops were
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: on meth. Hitler was on opiates. I mean, Norman Ohler.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: That book just I can't recommend it enough. It's so
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: eye opening because you're like, well, that makes sense. That's
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: why they were so fucking psychotic.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: That's why they could march through the through the Belgian forests.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: But it's very rarely taught. This is not like when
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: we grew up. We didn't grow up thinking that they
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: were just drug psychotic. You know, animals that were on meth,
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, in tanks, and the most they gave the
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: people the front line the most meth. So they had
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: different dosages for different people depending on what they were
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: required to do. And the tank guy has got the most.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: Think about Goering's position, he's the one ordering the drugs. Right,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: how many pilots we got, how many planes? How many
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: missions are we doing? How many sorties? Right? Do that
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: multiplication add ten percent?
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: For me? It's a drug fueled war, like probably the
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: most drug fueled war ever. I mean, the Kamakazis were
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: using meth. And then the Hitler thing was I always
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: thought that Hitler was myth as well, but Norman was
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: saying that he was opiates as well. So just like Gurring, right,
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: they maybe it was how they dealt with what they
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: were doing. They all just stayed blasted out of their
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: fucking head all day long.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, you're surrounded by guys that have
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: a sort of a fanatical mindset. You know, you're gonna
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: wanna be awake. Yeah, you don't want to fall asleep
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: at the wrong time if that's the group of people
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: that you surrounded yourself with. And that's the thing that
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: I keep saying. It's an old cliche, but I think
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: it's something that he really learned. You know, if you
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas Herman. Yeah,
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: but I think him cleaning up by being forced by
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: being in a prison environment and being forced by the
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: Allies to go cold Turkey nearly killed him. He had
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: sort of heart problems because he went forty or fifty
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: a day to nothing. So but that clarity of thought
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: that he had after being clean for six or nine months,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: when the trial starts, that became dangerous because now he's
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: sort of got his faculties back and he's intent on
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: breaking down this whole idea of international law as being
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: ridiculous that you know, he's a man who served this country.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: He is still in a uniform, is still like a
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: military guy, so he's quote unquote following orders. And you
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: know they were a democratically elected government who then stepped
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: by step dismantled democracy once they were in power.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: And the fascinating thing about this character and the way
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: you play him is in the beginning he seems like
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: a guy on opiates because he's like so relaxed about everything.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't seem to be carrying the weight
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: of what's happened to him, right and for you to
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: put And then there's dark moments, particularly like during the
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: trial where you're like, whoa, there's a lot of range
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: to this guy, and that's got to be a weird
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: place to be for you to try to put yourself
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: in the mind of what ultimately became one of the
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: most horrific figures in modern history.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not comfortable. It's not comfortable, but that that
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: pains part of the gig, you know, Yeah, it really is,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: and there's you sort of learn to accept it. And
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: I say this to people quite a lot because they
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: you know, big question is how do you turn off?
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: You know, when you've been a Nazi for a day.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: What do you do to relax? Definitely don't do method.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you ask anybody and you would
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: be the same. Just because in a little while the
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: podcast is over for the day doesn't mean that that's
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: the end of your job. Doesn't mean you're just going
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: to turn off and never think about it again. You're
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: going to obviously, you know, anybody has a passion for
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: the thing that they do is going to continue the process.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: Five o'clock might be when the office closes, but you're
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: going to go home, you're going to have dinner, You're
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: going to think about the deal that you're currently doing
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: the presentation that's ahead of your whatever it happens to be,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: You're going to keep processing. And that's what happens when
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: you're playing a character, because you might have delivered X
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: amount of dialogue today, but you've got X amount tomorrow too,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: so you've got to keep that process going.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: So so you're just thinking about it all the time.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Till seven, all the time, there's no it's relentless. One
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: description of making a movie is that it's a train journey.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: It's not like a car, you know, where you can
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: pull over and have a wil on the side of
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: the road. It's a train journey. And once you get
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: on that train, you're staying there until it gets to
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: its destination. And you've just got to accept that I mean,
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: and that there's you know, good and bad, and that
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: there's a a a saying that goes with this.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: The best thing and the worst thing about the job
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: that I do is that one day it's going to finish.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: Always finishes. You can be having the worst time of
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: your life, but it's going to finish, but you can
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: be having the greatest time. You have an incredible relationship
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: with the crew and the cast and the director. But
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: it's going to finish and you have to get used
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: to that. You have to understand that.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: When how much time did you prepare and how much
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: time did you film for? So how much time were
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: you actually in the head of this Nazi.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I signed on in twenty nineteen, so you started thinking.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going straight from Loudest Voice, which
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: finished shooting around April or something like that, and I
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: thought by the end of that year we'd be doing
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: you know, we would have shot that film.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: So that's when you started researching it.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then, as it turns out, we got set
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: up and collapsed three different times. And so I had
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: five years, five years of you know, scratching around trying
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: to find little bits of information to humanize him in
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: my mind, but also for me to try and understand
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: him and understand the you know, what he got do
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: because on it doesn't make a lot of sense when
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: you read about his history and stuff where he gets
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: to it doesn't make a lot of sense. He was
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: a mountain climber when he was a young man. There
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: are traverses in the Austrian Alps that Herman Gowing was
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: the first person to do that traverse of that peak.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: You think about the mentality required of a mountaineer to
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: stand at the base of a big ass rock and
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: look up and say, I'm going to keep going until
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: I reached that summit. That says a lot about who
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: Homan Going really was. And you know who's Bavarian, right,
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: so from southern Germany. And once because I didn't know
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: who was a mountain climber. Once I knew that, then
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: I started looking around for well, what does that mean
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: to be a mountain climber? You know, prior to the
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: First World War, what kind of equipment would you have?
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: And it's very basic, man, it's nothing. You know, You've
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: got to You're relying on your wits and your strength
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: just completely and.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't even have nylon ropes.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: Probably not then. It just all stretchy hemp. It's going
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: to be behaved completely differently once it gets wet. But
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 2: it gave me some real insight to him, and it
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: also ended up giving me this great way of connecting
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: to the other German guys who are playing the other Nazis,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: you know, because I just knew from the first day
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: when they all arrived and I were sitting together in
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: a group, I could see that they were already feeling
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: the punishment of playing that kind of character. So I
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: just brought them together and I asked them because now,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: you know, these guys some of them were Germans, some
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: of them are Hungarian. And I said, look, you know,
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: there's this song that I found and I'd like to
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: learn the song together. And they all, you know, most
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: of them knew the song. But that's what we would
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: do every day as a group. We'd get together, we'd
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: sing that song, and then we'd walk into court together
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: feeling connected as a unit.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: You know what kind of song was it?
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: It's called mussy den Is it a German song? It's
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: a German song, and but I didn't realize when I
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: first came across song. It's a Bavarian mountain song. So
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: he definitely knew that song. It's actually the melody that
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: Elvis Presley uses for the song Wooden Heart in the
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: movie sho Blues. Mussy then mussy then zoom, Stay the
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: late in halls, Stay the late in halls. You know
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: that's but I don't have a wooden heart. That's what
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: we'd be seeing to sing.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: This to get into the character.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So there's just a little thing just to
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: remind that particular group of guys that we're just actors.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: We're just playing roles and you know, this will finish.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that don't want to show
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: a human side of a monster.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: And which I think is very dangerous and quite stupid,
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: you know, because it gives you a complete misunderstanding of
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: what a monster is. You know that. Yes, Okay, here's
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: somebody with you know, horrific expert as the joke used
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: to be. Even Hitler, you know, he used to love dogs,
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: So that's the joke, right, you know, and and that,
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: but there's some real truth in understanding the human process
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: in that that's somebody who makes the absolute worst decision
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: in the world can still be a loving father, can
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 2: still have a group of friends, but you know, a
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: particular in a particular moment, that is the same person
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: who's made this horrific decision that will have a terrible
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: effect on a generation of people.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's really the same kind of
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: thing we were talking about with Tony Soprano, right, that
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: this person is terrible person, but yet loves his kids.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: Loves his friends.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, charm is one of the greatest weapons of evil,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: and it's a really you know, it's a fun thing
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: for us. We see somebody who can tell a story,
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: tell a joke, hold attention in the room, you go
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: that it's cool. But when that process of charm goes
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: to this other place, which becomes about life and death,
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: or they're taking away of people's rights, the dehumanizing people,
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: as who were discussing earlier, you know, and there's you know,
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into politics because I have
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 2: this My boys have this rule. If you're going to
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: talk to Joe, you're not allowed to discuss politics because
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: they know what I start your voice my two sons. Yeah,
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 2: because my youngest. But I think I told you he
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: became obsessed with you and listening to your stuff for
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: a while and you became one of his sort of
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: points of education. And you know, so that's why I
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: started listening to you, because I wanted to know what
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: he was hearing, you know, And I got and after
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: listening a few times, I was like, you know what, man,
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: it's cool because again we'll use that that word. You
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: do actually have the allowance for nuance and that's the
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: greatest thing about this situation where you sit down to talk,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: We're going to be talking for a couple of hours. Yeah,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: so I don't have to reduce everything I want to
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: talk to you about to make it pop in three minutes.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: Right, and worry about things being taken out of context
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: in a sound bite.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That this is the issue with discussing any positive
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: attribute to a Nazi, you know what I mean, Like,
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: you open up that door. Oh my god, Russell Craw's
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: a Nazi sympathizer.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: With the people that don't like you are just going
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: to take that And here's what Joe Rogan's discussing.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's I think what you're saying is
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely true. That it is stupid to think that way
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: because it because that's a human being and a very
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: fucked up, evil human being that did horrific things. But
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: know that that is a path that people can go down,
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: even if they think they're doing the right thing.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: So we're taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 2: certain way, Okay, but if you look into what happened
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: in his country while he was the leader, you look
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: into the fact that every person is given a house
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: at a certain age. You look at the fact that
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: everybody's education and healthcare is free. You look at if
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: education overseas, all of the costs that were paid for
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: by the government. Now, these are all things put in
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 2: place by the same country's leader that we're told is
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: evil and corrupt.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't quite balance. Well, there's also US government interference.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a that is one that we definitely
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: monkeyed with. I mean, he ran a foul of the
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: United States government.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: Well, what he was trying to do, as far as
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: I understand the situation is he was trying to unite
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: Africa and are united Africa. It's going to be a problem.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: Well either it's going to be fantastic. It's going to
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: be amazing a problem for the people that want to
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: run things. Yeah.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if all of a sudden there's a new we've got.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: A whole bunch of countries that you have a connection
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: with a certain African nation or whatever, they suck their
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: you know, minerals out of the ground or whatever, don't
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: pay them properly for it, you know, and greatly benefit financially,
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: and that's pretty much every European country has got some
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: kind of African connection in that regard, and including China. Well,
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: China is now coming in, yeah, because it's able to
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: offer a slightly better deal than they've been used to. Yeah,
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: But people have to understand the population of Africa is enormous, enormous.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: You've got multiple countries to hundreds of millions of people.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, when you see the continent of Africa and you
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: see all these other countries, how many would fit inside
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: of it? You're like, oh boy, Because that's the weird
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: thing about maps and globes is you get a distortion
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: of the actual truth size.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: There is a distortion, right, yeah, whatever that's called, which
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: shows America at the center and being physically a larger
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: land mass than it actually is in relative terms.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: So it's a little little bit.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: Is the size of Australia one hundred thousand square miles
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: Continental USA is one hundred thousand square miles larger than
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: the island of Australia.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: That's not much, not much. That's not much much, especially
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: when you think you guys have twenty what twenty five
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: and we have probably three hundred and twenty five plus, right.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think we know really how many people we have,
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: but we have at least three hundred and twenty million.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of folks.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of people. Yeah, it's a hell of a
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: So we'd like to think we're a lot bigger than
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: we are. But then you look at where we fit
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: in Africa, You're like, oh, it's like it's a little tiny,
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: little tiny thing.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: It's something like fifty five countries, isn't it in Africa?
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's probably. I mean it's also Egypt.
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You know. It's also like the
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: most advanced civilization possibly that ever existed before today, and
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: they were there too. It's like it's a wild place
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: from top to bottom. It's a very and it's the
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: origin possibly of human kind.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 2: And a lot more desert I think than people realize.
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: You know, you have the Sahara stuff, we all know that.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: But then there's this other gigantic areas like that. What
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: would that be the West coast? Have you seen those
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: roads in like Namibia or whatever. It's just it's like
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: a sand june. There's forty fifty meters high drops down
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: to the ocean. There's one little flatbit that there's a road,
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: and that's possible you know, at certain times or whatever,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: if the tides are not doing this and that. But
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: that's the road. It's like a mountain of sand and
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: an ocean and one little ribbon.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: Jeez, it's you know, the United States is one of
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: the weird things about us is that we're a country
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: that thinks mostly of ourselves and hardly ever leaves. You know,
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: some people leave, but I bet there's a solid percentage
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: of people that never leave the United States and maybe
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: never even leave their city. Right, and your version of
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: the world, you're relying on other people to give you
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 1: the story of what the world is until you go somewhere,
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: until you go to Thailand, until you go somewhere where
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 1: you're like, wow, there's a totally different way of living
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: out here. Yeah.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: I've even had people, you know, come down to help
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: me with movies or whatever, like guys that are coming
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: down to train me and some weapon or other or whatever.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: And they do a lot of traveling, but it's all
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: within the continental USA. Yeah, And they come to Australia
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 2: and they didn't realize that other people have opinions. You're
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 2: not going to find a heck of a lot of
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: agreement to you know, some very basic tenets. If you're
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: sitting in an Australian bar, you'll find a whole bunch
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 2: of people go, that's fucking stupid, mate. Yeah, you know,
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: but it's still to me it's the greatest country in
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 2: the world is United States of America. Absolutely, greatest potentials
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: are all here. But how it's founded on balance and
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 2: fairness and opportunity. That's how it remains great, not because
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: you start taking opportunity away from people, because you're affording
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: them opportunity. And you know, let's just keep that in mind,
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Yes, because it nothing's finished, nothing's done,
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: but just in the process and it can all get
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 2: better for sure.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's the rare country that is almost entirely
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: founded by people moving here over time.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: It's all immigration, which is.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: The strength. And also, you know, the problem with the
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: last four years was that they were just letting anybody
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: in and they weren't vetting people, and they were inviting
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 1: people in. And the problem now is they're grabbing people
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: that are productive citizens, and they're grabbing them and taking
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: them out because they don't have the right paperwork. So
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 1: neither one is a good solution, and both of them
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: cause huge problems and one of the scary things, but you.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: Do have to be away to a lot of the
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: information that we know about that to us from a
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: motivation that we don't necessarily read. They want us to
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: think of things in negative terms.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 1: Sure, both sides, on both sides of the issue. Yeah,
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Yeah, we're constantly being manipulated. I had
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: a representative Luna on the podcast and one of the
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 1: things that she said that that I kind of knew
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: was probably true, but I didn't want to believe it.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: She was like, there's a lot of problems they never
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: solve on purpose so that they could campaign against them.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: That's why they keep these things in play. That resolutions
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: could have been reached, problems could have been solved, but
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: these politicians are so self serving that they don't ever
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 1: want that to take place. These people that run these
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: two individual parties want to keep that banter back and forth.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 1: They want to keep the argument going.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: You see how absolute they are. If you know somebody
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 2: with that color hat is trying to promote something, you
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: know the person with the other color hats absolutely ridiculous.
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: Then it changed an election happens. Now the person with
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: a different colored hat there in charge and they're going
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: to put in place exactly what they said the other
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 2: person was doing that was wrong is now part of
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 2: their policy platform.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with the way Australia is run.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we're a little bit lucky at the moment. We
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: have a Prime Minister who's very much motivated by trying
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: to help everybody, you know, which should be the job
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: of a politician, right, should improve the lives of the
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: people that they represent. And he's kind of inherited, you know,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: a conger line of stupidity that was going on, you know,
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: and he's trying to fix things. But of course, just
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 2: the way things are reported whatever, you know, there's the
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: haters on every corner. But he's a good man and
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: he's doing his very best, you know, working extremely hard.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: But you know, like he arrives off a plane the
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: other day, he's just come back home from some very
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: successful international meetings where he's established various trade things and
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: opportunities and situations for Australia. Gets off the plane wearing
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: a Joy Division T shirt. Right, big ban from his youth,
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: and it's just a relaxed character. You know, he's been
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 2: wearing a suit and tie for weeks on the road.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: He's just walking off Australia's version of Air Force one
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: in the Joy Division T shirt. So the Member of
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: the Opposition wanted to point out and did so in
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: Parliament that Joy Division is a Nazi term and comes
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 2: from a section of a particular camp where the women
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 2: were prostituted, and that's why it was called the Joy Division.
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, what's the point of that, right,
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: we all know it's a band name. We know it's
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: a band name. Just because you like the Rolling Stones
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you want rocks to be falling on people.
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You know, this whole stupidity
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 2: and that's what you're facing all the time, picking up
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: some pointless piece of manusha and you know, lighting it
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: on fire and making a smoke screen to cover up
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 2: the reality of the fact that that Prime Minister just
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: worked his ass off on behalf of the country and
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: successfully achieved a bunch of things and should be patted
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: on the back, you know, not pushed down the stairs.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have a lot of that here too.
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: That's but there is a timidity to timidity I think
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 2: is probably the thing in terms of how Australia is run,
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: things like the gambling ads and stuff like that. Common
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 2: sense would tell you this is not a good thing
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 2: to allow. You know, put the timing of these ads
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: back so kids are asleep or whatever. Don't let them
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: read out the odds on the news. That you could
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: fix that pretty quick. But that gambling section of the
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: community is worth a lot of money and people in
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: positions of power because it's not necessarily you know, it's
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: not the guy that's going to spend his whole wages
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 2: gambling through an app that gets to have a say
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: in this. You know, it's the guy whose family money
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 2: allows him to run a string of eighteen, you know,
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: race horses and he enjoys going to the races on
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 2: the weekend, and you know, gambling for him is not
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 2: such a big deal because he's got an income from
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 2: other things. Blah blah blah. You know, so it's the
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 2: wrong perspective on a problem. Sometimes is the actual.
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 4: Problem and the fact that this is a fairly new
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 4: thing and that young people growing up with this, there's
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 4: not a history of people abusing gambling.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: Apps their parents how to deal.
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 2: With right, generationally, it's not something that I can you know,
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 2: from my experience, I can tell you this. So I
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 2: had to have it, you know, I had that conversation
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 2: without boys. It was a broader conversation about gambling and
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: about you know, what it takes to earn a dollar.
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the accessibility issue is something that people
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 1: have problem with the fact that it's on a phone
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 1: versus going to a place. Like if you choose to
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: gonna get your buddies together, you're gonna go play poker
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 1: in a casino. That's a different decision.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 2: Right, They're just sitting at home, Yeah, and just constantly
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: frittering away your money.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. It's just we're there's always
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: some sort of point of attack. There's always an attack
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 1: vector for people getting your attention or getting your money
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: and trying to And then we have to decide as
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: a society, like is this good to just allow? Like
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: we want freedom, but do we want to Like, you
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: can't advertise cigarettes on TV anymore? Right, they decided at
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: one point in time this is crazy. Cigarettes are bad.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 2: For advertised alcohol.
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 1: You still can yeah, yeah, which is a weird time
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: of day. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird because alcohol probably
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: kills more people than cigarettes.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 2: That funny thing that we have that was fed to
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 2: us that you know, cigarettes this incredible burden on our
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 2: healthcare system. In reality, if you look at it, it's
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: a burden. But you know, there's a lot of people
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 2: dying of lung cancer who never had a cigarette. So
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: we haven't really solved that. We don't really know where
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: that's coming from. But in reality, the burden on our
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 2: healthcare system is obesity and all the problems that come
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: from obesity.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 2: Yet we allow food production systems that we know to
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 2: be extremely unhealthy and very bad. We just allow them
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 2: to continue on. You know, we've got items of quote
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: unquote food that have been tested and it turns out
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 2: there's no actual food in this. It's just you know,
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 2: a manufactured product. I think the famous one here was
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: the twinkie thing, right when they actually got around to
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: looking at what was in a twinkie, who realized that
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: every single part of it was completely unhealthy.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just mostly sugar. Yeah, yeah, but twinkies are delicious,
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: and I think you should be able to buy twinkies,
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm on both sides
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: of it. I'm a healthy person. I eat ninety nine
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: percent of my food, is very healthy. But I think
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: It's just education, it's the most important thing, and letting
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: people know what they're doing, then teaching people some discipline
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: and how to be able to exercise some control over yourself.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 2: So I was one hundred and twenty six kilos when
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: I finished umbook. I'm one hundred point nine right now.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Congratulations. Well a lot of that you look great,
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 1: by the way, I really do.
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 2: A lot of that is because you introduced me to
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 2: your mate.
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 1: Brickham from Waste Well yeah, yeah.
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 2: And so I've probably connected with them about five times
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: since that first time we went. And the real benefit
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: that I'm getting that I think right, because I'm not
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 2: completely over the science, but it seems to be with
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 2: these injections that I've been getting into my shoulders, into
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: my knees, but also ivs that it's calmed down my
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 2: body's inflammation. You know, I think we talked before about
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: just how many old injuries I carry, you know, and
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 2: how my injuries and my shoulders are deeply arthritic, but
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 2: we can now see in an ultrasound over time. How
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 2: what was messy a year ago and like big thick
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 2: bands of arthritis now it's just lessened, probably by about
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 2: seventy percent on one area in my right shoulder, probably
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: about ninety percent. So my range of motion if we've
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 2: done this last year, would have been about there, right,
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 2: But now it's fucking rock.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 1: And roll something and that great.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: It's all going good, you know, and like just feeling
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 2: like the muscular toure starting to build than everything. I'm
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: taking it really slowly. And that was one of the
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 2: things I was worried about with Highlander, because jumping into
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 2: that role with the shooting date coming, it was like, man,
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do I got to do three workouts
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 2: a day. I got it, you know. And that for
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 2: me is a bad recipe because yeah, I can, I
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 2: can do that for X amount of time, but once
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: I stop, I'm going to stop completely, you know. And
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 2: what I want to do is I want to make
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 2: all these changes and make it a long term situation.
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 2: So I think the waye too Well was a great
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 2: call for me because it's calmed down a bunch of stuff.
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 2: It's taking a bunch of pain away, you know, so
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 2: I can go and work out and not have to
• 2:48:43
  Speaker 2: suffer for two or three hours afterwards. You know, you know,
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 2: I'm still picking up injuries because I've got to face
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 2: the fact I'm sixty one. Like the other day, I'm
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 2: doing my katana, so trying to get this freaking move
• 2:48:53
  Speaker 2: going on. I freaking tore the tendon here on the oulner.
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 2: So that's going to be bad for sword fighting. But
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to fix that without having to have a surgical.
• 2:49:04
  Speaker 1: How bad is it torn?
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit really, you know, you just.
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 1: Got to make sure you don't overuse it while it's healing.
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 1: Can you praise it?
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 2: The problem I've got is I've got X amount of
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: time to claim the skill, and either way, right, if
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 2: I do the rehab exercises without doing surgery, if it fails,
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 2: I'm now falling right on production and you know of
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 2: retorn or something.
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 1: Right, But I can help you with that. Just do
• 2:49:32
  Speaker 1: the skill slowly. Yeah, here's the thing about skills. The
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 1: skills that you learn slowly, you can translate into high
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: speed quickly. Because you develop a neural pathway. So instead
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 1: of using an actual sword, use a foam sword, use
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 1: like one of those little fucking noodle things that people
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 1: put in the pool. Use that, so you just just
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: developed them. When I was teaching martial arts, one of
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 1: the things that I always told people is don't try
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 1: to do it quickly. When I show are you something,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to do it slowly.
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  Speaker 2: It's exactly what I did. I'm in a car park
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  Speaker 2: and we were talking about the speed of something and
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  Speaker 2: I went, oh, yes, I get and I went, oh
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  Speaker 2: fuck you had. But I just put my sword away
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  Speaker 2: and I kept the conversation going, didn't mention it. But
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  Speaker 2: I got home and I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh fuck you rushed warm up?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well the things we were warm. But it was
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  Speaker 2: a thing that I just just in that split second,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I wonder what it's like to go full speed? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and I did it, and I just like, not way
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  Speaker 2: too early. But you're absolutely right. Pace is deceptive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you learn something. I mean, that's something that old
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  Speaker 2: fashioned sort of stuff with the karate I first did
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  Speaker 2: when I was a kid. You know, they I am
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  Speaker 2: for you to do ten thousand of something before you,
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  Speaker 2: you have to use it in an actual competitive fight,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, people who trained people with guns have are saying
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  Speaker 1: slow as smooth, smooth as fast, right, Yeah, Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: want the curkey jerky movements. And with myrtial arts and
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  Speaker 1: specifically sword fighting, it's there's very specific movements that you're
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  Speaker 1: learning and if you learn those movements slow, as you
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  Speaker 1: speed up, you'll be going along the right pathway. And
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  Speaker 1: when I would teach people kicks in particular, because it's
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  Speaker 1: a weird thing to learn how to kick something like,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to do it slowly because if you try
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  Speaker 1: to muscle it, you're going to develop a bad habit
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  Speaker 1: that's going to keep you from achieving full power because
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  Speaker 1: you want a proper technique.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have to process where your balances, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what you m how you're pushing your force, and about
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  Speaker 2: how you retain the ability to reset.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, jiu jitsu as well. People that learn by drilling,
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  Speaker 1: they get way better, way quicker by doing it flowing
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  Speaker 1: and doing it more easy in play like the Graces
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  Speaker 1: always say, keep it Playful's.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, I know all this stuff, but I
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  Speaker 2: was in such a point of weariness that I was
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  Speaker 2: just trying to please people and so myself up. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I've got a bit of time now
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  Speaker 2: for it to heal and for me to start and
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  Speaker 2: actually do like I like to do.
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  Speaker 1: Have you visited Brigham while you're here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I missed it. Okay, great, Yeah he's looking great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks great.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he's looking good. The new places. Now here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about this and your listeners will probably you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's expensive, no two ways about it. So it's possibly
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  Speaker 2: not at everybody's grasp what the sort of things that
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing. But I think I'm not sure if this
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely right. But I think, you know, one of
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  Speaker 2: his sort of fervent ambitions Brigham, is to make it
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  Speaker 2: more available. Yes, you know, because this should be. This
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  Speaker 2: is cutting edge medicine, you know, if we can sort
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  Speaker 2: of write things in our bodies with an injection as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to an operation. You know, the problem I had
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  Speaker 2: in my left shoulder, I go and see my shoulder
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  Speaker 2: surgeon who fixed it while I was doing Cinderella Man.
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  Speaker 2: And so I did two operations with this guy, one
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and one and the second one in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and four. But it's always had as sort
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  Speaker 2: of problem. And he did say at the time after
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  Speaker 2: the second operation that he had to cut a few
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  Speaker 2: corners and it would probably cause me problems later on life.
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  Speaker 2: So I probably went to see him about five or
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  Speaker 2: six years ago and he said, Okay, so you're the
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  Speaker 2: shoulders at a point of arthritis. Now what we have
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  Speaker 2: to do is we have to cut through the musclebile.
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  Speaker 2: We have to pop out the humor ahead of your armber.
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  Speaker 2: We have to shave off the top of the human head,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have to put a carbon fiber cap,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have to put it back in. So
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  Speaker 2: everything back up. You got about twelve months of rehab. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Just sounds wrong, you know, it just sounds wrong. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so this process that I've been going through
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  Speaker 2: with Brigham is basically having the effect of layering. So
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  Speaker 2: I can now see that if the arthritis was that deep,
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  Speaker 2: it's now this deep. You know, it's still there. I
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  Speaker 2: haven't solved it yet, but I'm giving my body what
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  Speaker 2: it needs to make it better.
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  Speaker 1: Also, there's new breakthroughs almost every week, and these new
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  Speaker 1: breakthroughs that they're they're able to achieve the the they're
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  Speaker 1: they're growing actual cartilage on people that were bone on bone, right,
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  Speaker 1: So they're they're developing new methods to regenerate tissue that's
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  Speaker 1: the cushioning in between your knees and your elbows and
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  Speaker 1: all these things that were and shoulders that were requiring
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  Speaker 1: people to get those horrific things putting an artificial joint
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  Speaker 1: in place because everything is so arthritic.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that does trouble me greatly.
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  Speaker 2: For this country health and medical systems to benefit everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Something has perverted here where you know, so the drug
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  Speaker 2: that I might need that I can buy for fifty
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  Speaker 2: dollars for a month supply in Australia, it's two and
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  Speaker 2: a half thousand dollars for a month.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man, I know what's going on. It's crazy,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And where's see. You've got all these elected
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  Speaker 2: representatives here and this country's got you know, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what you should be working on, man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but they can't because everybody's got there.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's got their hands time. Yeah, they're all got including
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  Speaker 1: the media. That's the crazy thing is the amount of
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  Speaker 1: money they spend on advertising for the media that really
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  Speaker 1: just serves the purpose of now the media can't criticize
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  Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical drug companies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because you know, I get back here
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  Speaker 2: as you know, you know, my girlfriends from New Orleans,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we're sitting and watching TV here and
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  Speaker 2: she's now seeing America from the outside because she spends
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  Speaker 2: most of the time traveling with me, and we don't
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  Speaker 2: spend that much time in within America. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: live in Australia, but we've been been working mainly in
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  Speaker 2: Europe the last few years. So she's now coming back
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  Speaker 2: to her country. But she's got fresh eyes and she's
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  Speaker 2: sitting there. The other night, she was watching something. She
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  Speaker 2: came out, she said, I've just watched like twelve ads
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  Speaker 2: for drugs, just one after the other after the other.
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  Speaker 2: After that. You know, what's this tiny little problem that
• 2:56:17
  Speaker 2: you might have, or you if I can say it
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  Speaker 2: in a certain way to make you think that you've
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  Speaker 2: got a bang. I've got a drug for a bank bank,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And yeah, I mean six hundred thousand plus
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  Speaker 2: people in this country in the next twelve months will
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  Speaker 2: go bankrupt because of their medical bills. You know how
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  Speaker 2: many people will go bankrupt in Australia because of their
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  Speaker 2: medical bills in the next twelve months zero zero.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's of the biggest problems we have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the idea that you would lat that happen and
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  Speaker 1: not do anything about it because you're bought and paid
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  Speaker 1: for by these enormous companies is kind of insane. It's insane,
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  Speaker 1: and they're trying. They're trying to do something about that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, RFK juniors fighting an uphill battle trying to
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  Speaker 1: do something about that. But it's a captured industry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know socialized problem.
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  Speaker 2: Largest Western economy is punishing its citizens in that way. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just Vegas belief. That's crazy that healthcare isn't a principal thing,
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  Speaker 2: because if we're not looking after ourselves and aiming for
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  Speaker 2: the longest life, what's the point of the human existence
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing. So that should be a principal everybody's health,
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  Speaker 2: it should be a principal focus of our elected representatives.
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  Speaker 1: Russell Crowe, you're the fucking man. Thank you for being here, Joseph, Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: it's always great to talk to you. Continued success and
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  Speaker 1: enjoy your vacationeers mate. All right, brother, good bye, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and see Nuremberg. It's amazing. And all the other films.
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  Speaker 1: Let they come out five one,