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Murderers Shouldn't Go To Jail ! · Blind But Now I See

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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we're by for another episode of I See podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: But nah, today we have a special guest and he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk to us about all this law stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Yeah, you know gym and who else we got here?
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  Speaker 2: Got a special guests be debating today, we debate. I've
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  Speaker 2: been waiting for this for a long time. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I've been preparing for like a boxing fan.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, Yo, I'm not debating. I'm educating. Okay, Hello,
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  Speaker 4: I like that educating, educating.
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  Speaker 2: We got on the couch with us.
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  Speaker 4: What's up, y'all? I am Imani. I am an attorney
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  Speaker 4: for seven years as a public defender, so I defended
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  Speaker 4: people who were cues of committing crimes. Me and a
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  Speaker 4: good homeie mind who both started working together. Both have
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  Speaker 4: a podcast called the Brothers in Law Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Okay nice.
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  Speaker 4: On that platform, we talk about our rights, talk about
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  Speaker 4: you know, our our powers as people.
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  Speaker 3: And educating the people exactly about the law. Exactly beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: How did you?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Where are you from?
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  Speaker 4: I am from Texas. I moved around a bit, but
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  Speaker 4: I claim Texas, Texas own.
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  Speaker 3: You're from Texas. And your friend.
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  Speaker 1: That you work with, he's from Florida. He's from Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so you guys is down south and in New York.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the big city out here here.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I love it here though, I'm here to state
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  Speaker 4: me my wife out here.
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  Speaker 3: So nice. I still got a New York girl.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's from Harlem, over the place like that.
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  Speaker 1: So how did you get into law? What made you
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  Speaker 1: say this is what I want to do for me?
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  Speaker 4: It was a process. I was really good at argument
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  Speaker 4: as a kid. I loved to argue at the time,
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  Speaker 4: Guys on the team, yeah, I was so first it
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  Speaker 4: was because I like to argue. I was good at it.
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  Speaker 4: But then I got to college and I started seeing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of messed up things happening. You know, Trayvon
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  Speaker 4: Martin Central Van, a whole bunch of these on black
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  Speaker 4: people that was being killed, and I figured I need
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  Speaker 4: to do a bit more research about what's happening to
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  Speaker 4: our people. So that made me want to go to
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  Speaker 4: law school and focus on advocating for the rights of
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  Speaker 4: people who look like us. And then I learned that
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  Speaker 4: as a port as in addition to police brutality, people
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  Speaker 4: are getting locked up for things that didn't get locked
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  Speaker 4: up for, or even if they did something did get
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  Speaker 4: locked up for. They're getting locked up at high rates
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  Speaker 4: and harsh rates that the white can of parts are
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  Speaker 4: not suffering the same consequences for.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what ultimately made you say, as a black man,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get into this sire field exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't do any other kind of law but this
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  Speaker 4: because I saw just how bad things were and I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't tell my to do.
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  Speaker 3: You see a lot of people that look like you
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  Speaker 3: in this field.
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  Speaker 4: Mostly I worked in the Bronx and I probably have
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  Speaker 4: less than ten clients who were white. Most of them
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  Speaker 4: were black and brown, and I represented over a thousand
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  Speaker 4: punk But.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talk about as far as your colleagues like, do
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  Speaker 1: you see a lot of people that look like you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? No, that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, when I got hired, it just me and other homies.
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  Speaker 4: As far as black males getting hired in our in
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  Speaker 4: our practice.
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  Speaker 3: Because you look fairly young as well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really see they say, Tradmon Martin.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see a lot of young black boys. How
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  Speaker 3: old are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm thirty two.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you said Trayvon Martin college, I'm like young.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Grandpa, Yeah what you.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, I'm in the same.
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  Speaker 3: You know they said you unk. Now, let's called.
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  Speaker 4: Big, big big, We're un status.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's straight to the point.
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  Speaker 4: I get to it. Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 3: If he've been having this question for my brother, you.
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  Speaker 2: Feel people should not go to jail?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and also think you said that police. I think
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  Speaker 4: both of those things.
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  Speaker 3: Wait say that again.
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  Speaker 4: I think there be no police and this be no prisoners. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: both of them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so explained hold the fun before we got it.
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  Speaker 1: We got that's the that's a real statement.
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  Speaker 2: No police.
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  Speaker 1: So let's break that down into one. Okay, So let's
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  Speaker 1: all you want to start with the no police?
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  Speaker 2: This World War five.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you get off with no police? Where do
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  Speaker 3: you say that?
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. I believe in safety. Okay, I think
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  Speaker 4: communities should be safe.
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  Speaker 3: So what's you think, neighborhood? Why?
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  Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying is that we only know
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  Speaker 4: police because all we've ever known. And I think that
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  Speaker 4: we are smart enough to come up with other processes
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  Speaker 4: that's not just policing. So yes, I do think that
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  Speaker 4: there's ways that communities can police themselves and commund of themselves.
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  Speaker 3: We need to get some give us like three.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'll give you an example right now. And
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  Speaker 4: this is me just.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So let's let's say there was like a committee of people,
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  Speaker 4: right and the committee is made up of social workers,
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  Speaker 4: It's made up of teachers from the neighborhood. It's made
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  Speaker 4: up of people from the neighborhood. And they're the people
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  Speaker 4: who know the people who are in the neighborhood, and
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  Speaker 4: they're the ones that's making the decisions as far as
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  Speaker 4: what happened to somebody to get arrested, what happens to somebody,
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  Speaker 4: what's the sentence is going to be? Rather than it
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  Speaker 4: being what it is right now? Right now, we got
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  Speaker 4: a white people who are wearing a badge that's not
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  Speaker 4: for our community. Who's who's who's locking people up? That
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  Speaker 4: we got judges that are largely white people that are
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  Speaker 4: not for our communities are making decisions. What happened to
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  Speaker 4: our people? Lack of people?
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  Speaker 1: So essentially, what you're saying is you do want police,
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  Speaker 1: just not the police that we have because you're saying different.
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  Speaker 1: You just said social workers and teachers and people.
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  Speaker 3: But what they will be policing in the community.
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  Speaker 4: No, see, even even you using the word policing, the
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  Speaker 4: only language that we have is policing.
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  Speaker 3: What would you suggest that they do because they're.
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  Speaker 4: Monitoring, they're making decisions. Why do we have to use
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  Speaker 4: the word police?
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  Speaker 3: But would they be able to use weapons? I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessary we have you know, how
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  Speaker 4: do you know how weight let them listen to this?
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  Speaker 4: All right? Some of the safest communities in the United States,
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  Speaker 4: bel air or the rich communities don't have police that's
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  Speaker 4: monitoring every neighborhood every every hour.
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  Speaker 3: Because they don't have poverty like we do.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, So what we should be doing is focusing on poverty,
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  Speaker 4: focusing education, and focusing on those things to eliminate the
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  Speaker 4: need for police. The staples I went to, I forgot.
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  Speaker 4: I went to somewhere in California. I ain't seen not
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  Speaker 4: one police officer around at all, and I felt mad safe.
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  Speaker 3: Just because you didn't. But you look at what you said.
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  Speaker 1: You went to California and you didn't see one police officer. California.
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  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, has one of the highest
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  Speaker 1: in California.
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  Speaker 4: You is that I wasn't in competent. But what I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying is that. But my point is, My point is
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  Speaker 4: that the issue is poverty. The issue is not people
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  Speaker 4: so that we don't need police. We need them, but the.
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  Speaker 1: Poverty causes people to do bad things a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the times.
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  Speaker 3: And not only that.
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  Speaker 1: Even there are some people that have it all and
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  Speaker 1: just choose to do sick things. There are rich people
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  Speaker 1: that do crimes every day, and these are the neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: that they aren't in. There's child people doing pedophile, pedophilia,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, rape, all types of ship
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  Speaker 1: and those are the communities that's lace police. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why all that shit happens there in those white neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: because the're too too busy focused on black people. I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree that it shouldn't be no police. I just
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  Speaker 1: feel I feel that the police presence in certain neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: needs to be.
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  Speaker 4: Even the whole point of where police come from, where
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  Speaker 4: the police come from.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't. I don't like police keep.
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  Speaker 4: The root of policing comes from slave patrols, and I
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  Speaker 4: think so long as there's that connection, there's no way
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  Speaker 4: to do policing morally. I just don't. I think every
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  Speaker 4: now and then you might find a good police officer,
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  Speaker 4: but I think the essence the institutional policing is meant
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  Speaker 4: to oppress, and it's meant to it's still attached to
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  Speaker 4: that slave mentality. That's what you are.
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  Speaker 1: So you was into like the Black Panthers and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, if they was around you being an on
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  Speaker 1: that shit.
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  Speaker 4: Too, Yeah, I just I just I just don't think
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  Speaker 4: that any any mechanism that's rooted in slavery, it's ever
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  Speaker 4: going to be more on shit. And I think we
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  Speaker 4: should cut all that and carry something new, like blow
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  Speaker 4: up the whole system, blow up policing, blow up prisons,
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  Speaker 4: and then let's sit down. We got some smartest people
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  Speaker 4: in this world. Sit down and brainstorm what is actually safe?
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  Speaker 4: What is actual safety look like in our community? What's
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  Speaker 4: actual kounability look like in our community. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 4: to be prison, doesn't have to be a by a sel.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have to look like that doesn't We got
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  Speaker 4: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of good people, definitely, damn sure. I got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of evil people too.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So let's get to it.
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  Speaker 2: So so and then and then if we talk about
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  Speaker 2: the police, you can't just talk about the whites. I've
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  Speaker 2: been in the streets, not out of ten. It was
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  Speaker 2: a black cop that violated the.
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  Speaker 4: Institution of policing. That's the problem that And you're making
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  Speaker 4: my point. You said the this is a black cops
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  Speaker 4: is validing your rights, and so they were exactly while
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  Speaker 4: devaliding your rights because they're empowered to do so. It's
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  Speaker 4: a problem with policing itself. You gotta build the whole
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  Speaker 4: thing up and re envision what it looked like to
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  Speaker 4: actually holp people accountable and keep community safe. There's no way,
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  Speaker 4: there's no way to there's no way to cut it.
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  Speaker 4: Policing is bad. Policing is bad. You have more what
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  Speaker 4: about the good?
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  Speaker 1: Because I've had a speaking from my own perspective. I've
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  Speaker 1: had a cops saved my life. Yeah, you underst what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, I got shot, so when I was
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  Speaker 1: on that floor, I got shot by a black person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not out here saying fuck all the black people
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  Speaker 1: who come up. But I'm also not going to scream
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  Speaker 1: for the police because that man is the one that
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  Speaker 1: he and when everybody was laying leave them in the floor,
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  Speaker 1: that man packed me up by himself and carried me
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  Speaker 1: to the ambulance and rain.
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  Speaker 4: I do think they're I do think that they're good cops.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that justifies all policingt me. Let me
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  Speaker 4: give you an example. Let's say they are a bad SCOTL.
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  Speaker 4: Let's say the publicist the public school system is terrible, right,
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  Speaker 4: Let's say I had a good teacher.
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  Speaker 2: That is.
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  Speaker 4: That's not an argument to keep the whole public school
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  Speaker 4: system exactly. So, Yes, there are good cops. I know
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  Speaker 4: through good cops. I don't think every cop is bad.
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  Speaker 4: I think the institution of policing can't be fixed. I
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  Speaker 4: think we have to throw the whole thing down, sit
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  Speaker 4: down and reimagine what does it look like? To keep
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  Speaker 4: communities safe, and I don't think that men and women
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  Speaker 4: walking around in batteries in the gun. Policing neighborhoods is
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  Speaker 4: the basically to do that. I don't feel safe when
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  Speaker 4: I walk down the bronx or harder when I see
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  Speaker 4: mad cops.
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  Speaker 3: I just like, what qualifies them just to be able
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  Speaker 3: to pass the tests?
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  Speaker 2: And then right gonna lie in the bronx.
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  Speaker 4: I feel safe mad cobs program, I feel safe, inn
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  Speaker 4: I don't. I walk down the block I see ten cops.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, what's happening? If I walk there, I
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  Speaker 4: don't see cops?
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  Speaker 1: I like, okay, which part of sexas?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, Central Texas, Austin.
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  Speaker 1: And then so with that, do you see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of police officers in the neighborhoods that you're that you're from. No, didn't,
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  Speaker 1: So this was new to you when you came to
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  Speaker 1: the city. But to be fair, big cities need bigger.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just big cities, though, it's impovers cities. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's cities that are well invested in in their
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  Speaker 4: education system and there in their employment opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's going to be less, it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: less problem.
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  Speaker 4: That's what the focus should be at. That's that's my problem.
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  Speaker 2: But y'all think it's too late to try to sit
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  Speaker 2: down and rearrange the whole system. The New York is, like,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about New York. New York is.
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  Speaker 4: New York just hired a Democratic Socialists not high and
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  Speaker 4: elected the Democratic Socialist. No one ever thought that person
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  Speaker 4: could be in power. So if that kind of change
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  Speaker 4: could happen, we can also we imagine safety looks like,
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  Speaker 4: m what do you mean we got somebody who's a
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  Speaker 4: president who was a reality reality TV star. I think
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  Speaker 4: things could happen. Bro. I think the fact that we
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  Speaker 4: don't think changes could happen that that's limit it in us.
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  Speaker 4: But I just I think policing is too connected to that.
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  Speaker 1: Could happen, but it would take time, just like how
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  Speaker 1: you see it, like just to pay play Devil's advocate,
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  Speaker 1: because I kind of agree with both of you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be honest, because I do see from your
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  Speaker 1: pov and I also see from Sino pov.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that Damn, I just lost my train
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  Speaker 3: of thought.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I think so educated. I just want to I
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  Speaker 4: want I want to encourage you'all because it's already happening.
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  Speaker 4: For instance, like we have we have zor on right,
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  Speaker 4: and he has a plan to like start having a
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  Speaker 4: bit more mental health. Yes, I'm done. Yes, And he
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  Speaker 4: has a plan to where you know, if there's an
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  Speaker 4: hour one call and it's for a mental health issue,
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  Speaker 4: then it's a social worker that's still pouring out a
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  Speaker 4: police officer. Like it's it's a slow process to it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: It happens when a social worker gets killed for just
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  Speaker 1: going out there and trying to help.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so now we can move to how to hold
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  Speaker 4: people accountable. I'm happy to have that before.
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  Speaker 3: We get there.
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  Speaker 1: Want more question, So you don't, like you said, you
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  Speaker 1: don't want the police at all? Right, right, just to
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  Speaker 1: be clear, no police at all? You saying call people
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  Speaker 1: for the specific problem.
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  Speaker 4: That I Let me be clear, I don't have the
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  Speaker 4: perfect solution yet. I don't think that's a reason not
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  Speaker 4: to entertain the idea of no policing. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: we shaid have police at all, but I do think
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  Speaker 4: that we can re envision what safety looks like for
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  Speaker 4: communities without police. And there's some examples. There are many
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  Speaker 4: European countries that don't have police policing everywhere, and it's because,
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  Speaker 4: again my argument is that they're not as impoverised and
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  Speaker 4: there's more investment to the communities. I think we can
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  Speaker 4: model our societies based off of many of those countries.
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  Speaker 3: Are you in favor of the death penalty?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely not?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So my thing is that there's no police, if
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  Speaker 1: there's no prisons, what happens to the people that do
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  Speaker 1: bad things?
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk about that, ye can we can we limit
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  Speaker 4: our conversation to, like we say bad things, we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about her actual bad crimes. So we're not talking about
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  Speaker 4: drug dealer. We're not talking about drugs seller when I
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  Speaker 4: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Nappers, murderers.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, So before we get there, and I get y'all
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  Speaker 4: agree with me that y'a don't think that jails for
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  Speaker 4: those kind of people, for like, if you don't if
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  Speaker 4: you have not harmed somebody, I don't jeous.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think jealous for people that haven't harmed anybody.
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  Speaker 2: All right, you ain't harmed nobody, don't think jealous.
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  Speaker 4: You're halfway there, all right, We got some of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Put in a work program, put these people to program,
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  Speaker 1: put the work program so that they can learn another
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  Speaker 1: way to make a bag.
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  Speaker 4: That's a big step. Most people don't agree that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you're we're from the I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying throwing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that I've been on that corner before.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what was doing?
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: Corner? Clarifying?
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Selling its is over, but selling it. I just feel
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: when I heard the clip, I'm like.
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: So you your issues for the backgrounds, the murder, the rapists,
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: those kind of crowns. Yeah, So I think that again,
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: we just waste the whole people accountable. But I think
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: we should do so humanely, and I don't I'll get there.
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: I think our current prisons are not humane. I've been there,
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: I've spoken to people. It is a kindition.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I agree my man is like that, but I agree
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: that it's not humane at all. They treat them like
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: animals exactly.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: So what if we had confinement that wasn't in that
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: kind of condition?
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: So do it look like to you?
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: What if it was like the campus hear me out
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: and like experts were there that were tending to the
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: needs of an individual. No one's a serial murderer, rapist.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have a problem with them. So why don't
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: we have like actual mental health experts inside the institutions
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: is actually working with them, and then once they evaluate
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: them and they're able to be in this even serial killers.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: That if the experts decide that they're not able to
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: reach the society, and fine, but even if they're separated.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: So here's my thing. I agree some people, very few
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: should be away from society. I don't think that that
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: should look like our current prisons. So so long as
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: that is the only way for us to hope people
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: accountable get rid of it, I don't think that prisons
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: is akin to isolation. I do think you can separate
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: somebody somewhere and that not be a prison. It can
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: be like I said, it can be a campus with
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: mandated programming and there are experts that's turning to these
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: individuals' needs and every couple of months a year.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: What is supposed to be. That's how they claim to rehabilitation.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: It's called the correction.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Correction, it's called the correct. So what if they you
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: we go your route, your away, right, we correct these people.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: You think what you think? You correct these people, You
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: let them go in the streets and they commit the
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: same crown.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: It's already happening right now.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: It's happening with the jail basically what he's saying, because
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: you kind of contradicted yourself because, like Wolf said, it's
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: already happened.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: It's already happening with the system that we have. Yeah,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: but I'm saying with his system. So you're putting all
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: these experts and all that, what's going to be the difference.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: It's giving us a shot of something else. Right now,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: all we have is lock them up, let him back out,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: lock them up, let him back out. And it's not
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: making it's not making anybody safe. We have we have
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: some of the harshest punishing systems right now, harshest sentencing
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: systems right now. We're not the safest country. Were not,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: were some of the worst, probably the worst country in crime.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Were in violent crime. We do the worst, We got
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the we got the worst sentences. It's a correlation there.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: The only other argument is that, oh, Americas are just
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: more prone to violence. I don't believe that. I think
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: that our how harsh our system is, perpetuates crime. It
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: just does. So let's brain stuff, let's try something else
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: instead of locking them up and putting it back. Lock
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: them up and get them treatment, give them help, put
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: the experts in the room. Let's try something. I'm not
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if what's gonna work, but it's something different.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: But now it's not working.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like they do need to work on helping people.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: But we do a lot of these people, like you said,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: we come from poverty and stuff like that. So the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: people that is gooding up there, they might not have
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: ever had the opportunity to not have to steal or
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: rob or kill because that that might be the only
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: way they learn to get a meal. And then sometimes
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: when you're conditioned to just do that, you grow up
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and you continue to do the same thing even when
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you're no longer in that predicament because it's all you know.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: So maybe if we do rehibit iilitate people and allow
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: them to get a chance to see like, oh it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a different way to do something, you know what I mean,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and retrain the brain because it's like literally trying to
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: teach a child again even though this person is an adult.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I get that. And ahead, what if you let them
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: out after you did it all okay, and they go
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: back to being an old.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Way question to use that that that's the possibility. But
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: what's happening right now is not working. The only the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: only solution to your to your issue is lock them
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: up and never let them back out. That's the only
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: way to guarantee that somebody that's coming in from.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Some people don't need to be out.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: That's a small sal.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: What about those people? What do we do with them? Definitely?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: No, not definitely don't.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like definitely is the easy way out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: There are a couple of principles that I believe in
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: that God and how I so some There are two
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: principles that I believe in that think God my my perspective.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: One is mercy. So I believe in being merciful. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: know people have committed real harsh crimes. I still believe
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: that mercy is deserving everybody. Maybe that's because of my faith.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I believe.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I believe in God. But God says a time to kill.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: God says the time.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of that's in the Bible. What is
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: it you you you foresees I forgot it. I looked
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I was looking at All I know is that the
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Bible preachers forgiveness of preachers of mercy alongside justice. So
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: no matter what you've done, I don't think that you
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: are should you should be incapable of being given mercy.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I also believe in most people I believe are able
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: to be rehabilitated and to be redeemed. I don't think
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: anybody is irredeemable. So I think for that reason, no
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: matter what, no matter what crime someone has done, we
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: should continue trying to redem that person. So if they're
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: locked up and they've done some harm, we keep trying
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to give them services to rehabilitate them. If they're never
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: If they're never rehabilitated them, fine, they remain confined, but
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: not in our current prison system. They remain confined in
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: the humane in human conditions.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question based on faith. You
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: believe in God?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yes? I do? Are you Christ?
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I am?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: So you believe in Hell?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: If there was no bad people wise there hell? If
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: everybody should just keep getting chances and chances, why do
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: God even send people to Hell because everybody don't deserve
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: another chance.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I think everyone does deserve a chance.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I think I don't even give them any chances.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: He gives humans a chance to know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I was already on that. I was already on it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: There's a time for everything, exactly, I was out of ecclesiastices.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to sound there's a time for everything,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in a season for every activity under heaven. A time
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to be born and a time to die, a time
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to plan and a time to pull up what is planted,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a time to kill, and a time to hell.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think that justifies.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: But then we're justifying murderers doing it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not justifying.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're I'm not saying you're justifying. I'm
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: saying if that's the case, then we're justifying murderers because
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you're saying we can keep rehabilitating them. If you can't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: get rehability after a certain amount of time, it's time
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: for you to go.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Now, who are we to determine when that time is?
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Though, God soldiers.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Now, I just think that like if if you've tried
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: ten times, If you've tried ten times, what if it
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: was the eleven time that works.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like you have a wife. Your wife
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: cheat on you ten times at the might not even
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: what you're doing.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: So I probably couldn't stained that relationship.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You couldn't.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I couldn't.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't eleven times.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Would you be able to still be her friend?
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I think I think I think I could find forgiven
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: to forgive her to stay in that relationship. Maybe not,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: but I could still.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I think you might take.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: I'm being real. I think I think I think I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: could figure I could forgive her and move on.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You can forgive her and move on and not hold
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: any you know, you might be able to.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I've been doing wrong before about people, Like I've not
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: been cheated on by my wife, but I've been doing wrong,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: and I've forgiven him, like I know, I know forgiven
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: it is possible, not definitely for giving.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So I've forgiven the person that shot me. So I
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: understand forgetness. That's what I'm saying. They totally do understand forgiveness.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't wish anything bad on that person, but I
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: don't wish anything good either, That's what I means. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: just don't think anything of it. And the person that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: shot me, actually i've heard he was coming home this year,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I always wanted to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: have the conversation with that person, like you know, I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: forgive you, and you was a young man when you
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: did this, and whatever ignorance you had in you, that's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: on you, you know what I mean. But at the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: same time, it's like if he was to go out
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and do it to another young woman, you know what
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, or other young people, would I be able
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to still feel that same type of forgiveness.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: No, I hear you, But I think to everyone's point,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: your concerned is like, if someone does I'm wrong, they
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: should be held accountable, or something should happen to where
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you don't do it again. What's happening right now is
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: not working. I guess that's that's my bottom line.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It's definitely not work. So it's a revolving door. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: know people that come home with YA and six months
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: later they back in it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Right. It's because like what happens, Like they get they
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: get the felling label, they can't get a job, they
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: can't get house, and can't get resources, and the back
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to the streets doing the same thing.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But then I've seen people that got all of that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and still did the same shit.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: It's like, but that's the minority though. The majority of people.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: It's not like you're like to Like I said, I'm
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Devil's advocate.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm on my own team right now. I agree with
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: both and I disagree with both. But at the same time,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it's like having someone that's incarcerated a loved one. And actually,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: because if you've never been with a person, like people
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: have friends that's locked up, you have family, liss at that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But when your spouse is locked up, the other person
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and you see it from a whole different blogame because
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm the one talking to CEO, sergeants and stuff like
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that to make sure that he gets what he needs
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and needs. Okay, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you see how they talk to They even treat you
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: like an inmate when you go up there. So when
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I go up there, I be wanting to curse them out.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: So it takes a great deal of strength for people
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: not to get in trouble again while even being incarcerated,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because those people talk to you like you're nothing. They
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: talk to me and I'm free, you know what I'm saying.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: In a wheelchair. Sometimes they talk to me like I'm
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a goddamn man, and it'll be like hoh, the fuck up.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Definite.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So it's like how much do you think a person
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: can take if they're dealing with that all the time,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, this is how they being tolcial.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So when they come back into the real world, they
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: used to just doing stuff and being isolated and stuff
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like that. So when they come back and they trying
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to get reacclimated, they can't.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: That's because they've been caged up.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: That's my point.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: They put in twenty four and ones. They've been starved.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes they don't get to take showers.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. They take they take their TVs,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: they take their food, all types of shit.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: To keep it simple, red rooms, what you're explaining to me,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: prison is a kin to torture. It just is. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think no matter what you've done, you should
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: be tortured. I just don't know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I disagree. I think that pedophile you deserve to be tortured.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I think that pedophile especially happening, I feel like pedophiles
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: should be to because that's torturing a child.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You torture you. You just took a kid innocence, that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: that kid life.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: You think somebody doing something inhumane gives you the authorisations
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: to be inhumane towards them.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Like golfhib If it's one of mine's, you better hope
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the police catch you before though.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: So here's the thing I'm taking him. See any thing
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: we can agree with that someone hurt one of my
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: one of my people taking a lot to my own
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: hands too, Okay, hear me out. Though I don't think cowboy,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think that my anger should be to dictate
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: public policy. Though I don't think how I am when
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I'm angry want to get revenge of somebody, that that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the kind of mindset that should that should be dictating
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: public policy and how we should rule the rural countries
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: and rules.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: That's how a lot of police act. They take the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: law into their own hands, that's what you're saying. Like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they sit there and they go about it and they
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: just kill people because they're angry.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: That exactly, And that's the problem.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That's why I say you said.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: That right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: In situations like damn it, there's so many black people
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that got killed.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Don't even know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I'm from Queen.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So let's go with Sean Bell. They shot that man
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: fifty times on this wedding day. You get what I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: saying for what reason, because of what they thought, what
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: they thought they seen, or what they thought he had
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. And now his wife and his
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: children is left without anything resting piece of Sean Bell,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and every other black man or black women
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that had their life taken my police officer. And then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: when we do, it's treated as nothing, you know what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean. But we don't see white people get killed
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in gunned down by police officers because there'll be a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: whole another you know what I'm saying. But that's because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they're in it. I feel like certain police are a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: part of like the Ku kux Klan still, you know
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: what I mean, It's just another way of doing it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: They just don't wear white hats anymore. But then I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: do see a lot of good officers that really do
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: come in and they do mean well. But the police
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: force is like a gang. They say, all they see
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: is blue.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Even black people with Spanish people, Chinese people, Indians, whatever
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they are in the police field, they see blue.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So they ride with each other.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So how do you feel about police?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: But you putting police in the neighborhoods that grew up
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: in these neighborhood that know these people where we do
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that at.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like that would help?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like that would help. I think that'll
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: be better because your police. But you know, Johnny up
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the black got mental health.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I think that's better what we have right now.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Also subdues the police officer to get himself hurt, because say,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if somebody does not like the police, and then I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: know where you live and you're a police, now I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: can go and get you. That's why they don't put
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: police officers in their own neighborhood.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: N't got to live in the neighborhood.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: They grow up in that neighborhood, okay, but most of
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: them still live there. At least.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: I think that the chances of people being harmed will
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: be reduced if people from the neighborhood are policed. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: think that's a step in the right direction. But I
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: still think that the essence of policing is still oppressive
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: and it's still wrong. And even that that will reduce things,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think that will kill the whole problem. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: don't think we need people widing rounding badges, monitoring blocks.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Like I said, modern day white coat, white hat.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just they don't feel wrong to you. For me, Yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: you got somebody's riding around with a badge and the gun,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: just like left the right to your neighborhood.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I just feel safe. Sometimes I feel safe,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: feel safe.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like I'm on both sides of the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: quarter because it's like I got a young king, Yeah,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: fourteen years old. So it's like him walk to the school,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: he could be profile police. At the same time, he
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: could be walking from the school and a cop can
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: see my son being homed and an interfere.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Turn the news every day you see something different, Like
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: that's why I don't like watching the news. Yeah, kids
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: getting raw beat up for sneakers.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you would rather a society where the likelihood
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: of being robbed and beat up for sneakers it's not happening.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: That's what you would prefer. Yeah, that's that should be
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the word that the we're advocating for, we should be
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: advocating for.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So you're saying the problem isn't even about for the focus,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it's about we need to focus on the biggest problem
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Black people as a whole. We need to focus on
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: building ourselves back up as a community. We don't have
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: community anymore. It used to be a time where you
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: could go knock on your neighbor's door and borrow some sugar,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, get some stuff, or if
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you see somebody kid outside, you could beat the ass
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: too because they're doing the wrong thing, you know what
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: It used to be a different time.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But now about twenty thirty years.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because when I grew up, my neighbors they call
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: my grandma like outside.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But then all the elderly died and moved out of it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: It's straight savages. Now grandparents are getting younger and younger.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't I think that whole method is over for that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It's over for that. Me personally is over for that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: So let me see where we can agree. You may
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: not agree with my solution, but you do agree that
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the probably have is not working right now. It's like
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: policing is not working right now. Prisons are not working
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: right now. So we we we agree somewhat so and
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: we both agree that something else should be. Something else
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: would be in this place. You just don't agree with
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: my visitess right now. Yeah, absolutely, okay, so we agree.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: More than wait, which do you know?
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: So it sounds like what he's saying is that he
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: agrees in the polishing prisons and he goes to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Boston police. He just doesn't agree with what my solutions are.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: That whole No, No, that sounds like no, got you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: on my side, I sees, because honestly, speaking like me personally,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: do you believe it? You know, do you believe in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the abousing the police?
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: No? I don't believe exactly.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I know he didn't agree.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Do you believe in the violishing prison?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Because I am I'm a sidewalking that I'm not in
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the streets sometimes when the police around.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: So you never called the cops in your life?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Not you you.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I've called them once for what I saw someone had
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: got hit by a car and then needed some.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: So you called the police. Why you didn't go over
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: there and help?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Because all I did you did, but my help is limited.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: So why you called the police? Why you didn't call.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: An ambulance, because please would get them there quicker.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: So you called the cops. The cops are useful for certain.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Be a little bit ignorant. So I don't know the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: number to call to call the ambulance. I called n
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: one one, and I said, hey, someone got here and
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the needs for help, but the issue at first, that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the only option we had. So yeah, that's what I used,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: but that's not the word that we're living in. I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: gonna utilize what we have to utilize. But I don't think.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think for a scenario in your house, somebody
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: breaking in your house, what you're doing, Hey.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Please, I'm going to help under under our current system,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: of course, I'm going to call the police. That's all
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: we have to call. But I don't got I wish
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I could call the home. But hey, man, someone come
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: in my cup right now?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Pull up? And we had a situation week.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: But somebody bringing the calling them police. You want to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: come in this motherfucker coming this motherfucker.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm say in New York, you know I can't
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: defend my I could if I was in Texas. You
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. In Texas, I'll be strapped and
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I can have something I can handle on my own.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: It happened in New York. I can't really defend to
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: carry in Texas. I don't know, but if I moved back,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I would be Is it open carry out? There it is,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I did. I haven't lived there long on that for
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: my adult years to have gotten one. But if I
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: would have moved back. But in New York you get
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: your vices, right, it's really hard.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It's hard to get you somewhere that got it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Rices Yeah, I mean it's not.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Legit legit.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: It's very rare and very hard.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Like security guards and should be getting them like those
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: type of people.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Even the security guard. None of that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: She's legit, legit. So it's like it's hard that it's
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: not easy. Can't ship she did?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: She did a little one to see you shouting all.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Right, So what what advice do you have for because
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I've seen in Wolf podcast shout out to the half
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of you up yeah, shout out. What advice do you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: have for black men that's driving in these cars and
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: walking in the streets like we like pretty much break
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: down their rights right, because like me, I ain't gonna
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I'm ignorant. So when we get pulled off the cops,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I got you. I ain't driving, so you shouldn't asking
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: me no questions. I'm not opening the door, you're not
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: going to my pocket and not searching me. One time,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: me and a cop was on the floor rolling because
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: he was not going in my pockets and I ain't
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: He was binge was doing and was on the floor
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: rolling rolling. Oh that's a lot.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I had to catch myself right because it's a little
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: white getting you police straight profile.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: We're gonna finished straight.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And I was in the car. I went from smoking
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: weed and everything, but I wasn't even the driver tab right,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: you take me out. I'm like, yo, I can't see
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you still put me in handcuffs.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: He probably asked me, what's my name.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Sean, I'm bad. I was pissing off and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: now I'm calling everybody out that y'all killed.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But then I had to.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to stop because they going take
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: me somewhere with my ass and leave me here. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I'm blind.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Imagine I'm pud of gut. You can't see it all
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that ship man.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: It's fine.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I listened.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I'm in the chair. I ain't about to I ain't
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: wrestling with I ain't doing nothing. Listen, I know my
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: crew place. I ain't going to do.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: What advice do I have. I'll keep it simple with
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: the police. I say, comply, but don't consent. It's two
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: different things. So if the police say, hey, can I
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: search you, No, you can't. If the police say sit
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: right here, you might want to sit right there. You
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: don't have to the reality is the police are gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: do what they want to do. They're gonnadjust, they fuck
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: you up. They can do what you want to do.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: So if you go to get out of the situation,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you can comply, but you don't have to consent. If
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: they ask you can, I answers. Always know if they
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: tell you you may not really have a choice. Always
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: ask them my free to leave, ask him I being
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: the And if they say you are, then certain you
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: have certain rights that are attached to you and they
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: can't buy it. They do valiate it. You get to
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: get you a good lawyer.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You'll be straight.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Comply, but don't consent. Never consent, especially if you got
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: some all year. You shouldn't have. No.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I'll be clean, give I'll be clean.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: You'll be clean. But if you listen to this, he
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: may not be clean. Oh yeah, never not not your car,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: not your backpack, not your pockets. No, he can't consent.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Do you think that the DA works with public defend
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: like lawyers and stuff?
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I think I think that's the misconception. I think I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: think there there's an extent that we have to talk
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: to DA I had to talk to pots to get
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: as many times. If I'm trying to get a certain offer,
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: a certain deal, you gotta have those conversations. I'll tell
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: you right now while I work that we're not getting
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: drinks together. We're not hanging out on the weekend. Our
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: jobs are adversarial, and I think most.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Young when I go to court from my husband, I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: see a lot of like the d a's and the.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So it's confusing.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: There's a different like breed of defense attorney. You have
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: your old public defenders that are older, the bit more relaxed,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: They're a bit more they fellowship is a bit more
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: with the prosecutors and ways that I don't.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that for many reasons. I don't want
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: my client to think that I'm cool with the exactly
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: We're not cool. You want to lock my client up.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I want my client to be out. We're not cool.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to know for my brother public the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: public because he laughing with the problem, Like my fucking
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: brother facing eighty eight years you're laughing with these people.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's not cool, but I.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Say this, he up here saying you like president your
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: brother right there?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Not not really, he was facing eighty eight years, but
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: he didn't do the crime. So it's like he didn't
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: he's guilty. It's it's evidence shown that he didn't do it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: So why you're laughing with these people? They got my
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: brother life in their hands. It's something different. Yeah, if
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it's something he did, then it's like I just got
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to wish for the best. I'm not a hypocritic.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: So but even even if he did something bad years
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: long time.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: What it did, then it's like what got say, Like, yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: eighty eight years a long time. But if you took
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a life, that's life that's not coming back either.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I understand that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I gotta hold that down, bro, for.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Life, for life.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: You took a life, a life for life.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: That's that's just even.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: With my homies. I got homies in jail right now,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: nineteen years, twenty five years, twenty two years. Yeah, you
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: took that life for white bro.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: I think that's that's that's a dangerous.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Mentality is sometimes a time to kill. Sometimes people have
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to kill other people to defend themselves.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what the ones that don't got defending you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: just don't it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: If you're just going around for me Like me, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: just don't believe in none of the system.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep it real, right, I got shot.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: But you just got shot three times?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: You voted, Yeah, my mother was dragging out house. Don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: believe voting. I don't believe.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Shit.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Bullshit, but my mother dragging out the house. Right, And
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it wasn't it wasn't your say. I was in Atlanta,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: thank you very much. Yes, but you know I got
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: shot three times?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So and it said by standard, Yeah, got shot for
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: no apparent reason, for nothing, right yeah. Boom the cops came.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh we got the person that shot you. All right, court.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not happy because at the end of the day,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I still got streeted me. I want street justice. Alright, cool, whatever,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: we goes to the court. They we got the footage.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: They're going through the footage, so now they're looking at it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: That Mondy before all of this, y'all made up a
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: whole story. I'm telling y'all what it is. And y'all
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: still making up your own story. Oh, your best friends
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: set you up. You didn't anything, right now, y'all got
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the footage, and now y'all see it, or we apologize.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: We got somebody going to the grand jury. They want
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: me to take the stand. Yeah, I'm like, well take
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the stand. What could I tell you? I don't know nothing.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: We get out this show. You just tell your story.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That's all you got to tell. You gotta say nothing else.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna ask you nothing that I'm not asking
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you in this room. Okay, Cool, we go out there.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: She started going, let feel like ask me this man.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: She like completely judges, looking like I said, yeah, I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: see what this is. I just want to take anybody down.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know who shot me. I didn't see who
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: shot me. I can't point out. Nobody goes, oh we
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: got the wrong person.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Mmmm, well we.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Got we got footage. Now it's the wrong person. But
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: we know who did it now. But guess what, we
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: can't get it because it looked like we just snatching anybody.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: What That's exactly what she told me. I wasted my
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: time in here.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: So the person that shot you never.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Want to free. They said, they can't snatch him because
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: they're gonna look at it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: The see that I don't agree with.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: They said, because they're gon look at it or we
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: just snatching anybody.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: They have video footage, footage, wow footage.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't agree with that, so what the fuck you're
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: just telling me like it's slapping my face.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I agree, people, I believe that person should be held accountable.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I agree that acountability means that
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: person should go to judge for the rest of his life.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if I believe in that. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: think I think he should.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: He should be the hell the accountable in my hands.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Should be head Cannaba. I feel like and I honestly,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I'd rather bed accountable in your hand than by the state.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: I don't the government doing it as opposed to the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: person who's been I'm just saying like, I would rather
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: society where it allows.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: So what about people like, what if that would be
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the retribution you do something wrong to someone that if
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that person is still alive, they get to do something
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: bad to you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Would that be justifiable?
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Not fully, but just said you would rather that. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: would rather rather as opposed to the state doing it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I still think there's issues with it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: You feel like the state is worse.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, I feel like the government being the one who's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: deciding what happened.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: What if he wanted to put the nigga in the basement.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: And why is why I said not fully.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: What if the nigga said I want.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: To poke them out?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: That's me.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Walk.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking. I was like that nigga to
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: walk around jail. Somebody need to get his ass.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Boys, I don't know if I believe in punishment.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like whatever you do to somebody, it should
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: be done back to you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Whatever is so, if the.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Person that shot him needs to be on a person
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that did this to me, he too, Now we can
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: roll together.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And then we can really get it on. Absolutely make
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: it a fair fight.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's fair. I would entertain that. Boy, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: didn't tain that more than Yeah, yeah I would.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm saying.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: All right, so go get so again again again. I
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: believe I believe in accountability. I also think that the
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: state is in the person to do so, and I
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: don't I think we should do so. And you just
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: feel like who is.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: The You feel like who is the government to decide
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: what happens to us?
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: That's what that's one part of it. Yeah, and also
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: again I believe in mercy forgiven. That's why I don't.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I can't agree with like treat justice. I don't believe
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: in that penalty. I don't. I don't. I don't think
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: an eye for an eye. I don't think that comports
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: with ideas of forgiveness.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: And I believe far now trying to take some tonight.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I believe. I believe for I'm trying to change. I'm
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: really trying to change.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's dangerous, you know, the saying says and I
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: fin he's a whole world blinde Like, that's just sit.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I'm blind already. Let's let's take anybody motherfucking blind that.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: A technics were all blind.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Nigga said up.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Damn I was that was good. That was that. Understand
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: where you're coming from. But it's like, even I'm scared
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: of my Sunday in this world. Yeah, but it's like
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: not to have police.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: But see, well, why why you're scared about the Senate
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: in this world? But why is your solution police instead
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: of fixing the issues with the world. Bro, Like, if
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: But I feel like this work can't be fixed. There's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: some things you just work can't be fixing. They can't.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: There's some hoods and some poverty like that can be fixed, Like.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Things can be fixed, because it starts with yourself, honestly.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: But if it's one more if you focus on yourself
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and you do and you better yourself, it's.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: One more good person in the world.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: The issue I'm saying, it would be beautiful to think
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like that. Right, It's it starts with me, right, my
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: son going into the world. I'm rubbing this into my son.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: But what about you that don't have that mind that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: People aren't born murderers, bro, You're not born with them.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Some people actually, some people actually are born homicidal sociopaths.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Some people are born with issues. Well, most people who
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: commit crimes are not born destined to commit crimes. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: society who puts them that way. So right, So if
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: we focus on the main issue with society is poverty, bro.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: So if we focus on investing, you say you can't
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: fix communities, You can if you just invest in them.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: So what about the rich people that kill? If we're saying.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Poverty, poverty is the main reason, it's not the only reason.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Why people commit crimes. There are people who are rich,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: there are crimes.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: But honestly, you know, you can't live in fear for
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: your son. I'm not saying you live. You can't live
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: in fair for him.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You tried to hurt minds. I ain't gonna lie you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: You want to defend me.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I feel you, and I.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: What like That's how I feel. But me personally, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: just feel like the way society is like like back
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: in the days, you do something, a grandmother, a mother
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: is not coming outside the fight. They coming outside to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: tell you what your kid did. Nowadays, grandmother's is thirty five,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: thirty four, thirty two, yeah, and they going up the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: block to fight. They're not going to see what the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: story is. They're not going to see if your grandchild
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: was right or wrong. They're going out there to fight
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: with you. Back in the days, miss marry up the block,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: yoped me my ass up and brought me down the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: block to my grandpa. Now I got double trouble. We
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: don't got that no more.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: You don't think we have enough of those people? No more? No,
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: we don't know five.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like we do.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: But there's people that are afraid to do that because
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of the way people react when child.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Think about how you reacted.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: He got elders right, but our elders ain't me. I'm
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: not touching nobody kid. They get shot smect. These kids
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: have no respect at all, don't respect at all. That's
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: not all kids, not all kids.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: But that can be fixed. Though you make it seem.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Like that shamp he's cynical. He's not going to be.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Generations of people who are teaching him.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: You have no faith in the future. God damn. So
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: even if you could see, you wouldn't see no good
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: in this ship.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I don't me personally like in New York, be on
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: top of each other. We will never be equal.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: That's poverty though saying That's what I'm saying.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We will never be equal no matter how much you
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: fix it. Me working hard, getting my son these latest sneakers.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna like I'm gonna tell my son now.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: You can't wait this because I'm scared somebody or something.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: M Yeah, but there's things we can do to improve
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: communities like let's liquor stores, you know, improve the minimum wage,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: more and more community centers like there's things that could
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: be happening to improve them.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: So, how do you think America gets people in poverty?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Said again, how do you think America keeps people in poverty?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Keeps people in poverty through incarceration, through the minimum wage?
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: That how much money that people are able to actually
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: make the actual living.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Way the cost of living versus exactly.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: The resources that they give or don't give a community.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Like I've lived in many places, both in in the
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: Bronx and even when I'm living in DC where there's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: no there's no good food in a five mile radius
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: liquor store at every corner, there's no communities. I think
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: like changing and investing in communities like that and like
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: giving them what a resources improve that community and reduce
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: to like get a crime happening. That's this is where
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I'm at. I feel like people are gonna hurt people.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: But the response is not just it's not just I
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: just forgot, let's get police and let's get prisons. It's like,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: how do we improve the society to make sure this
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't happen? And that's what my energy wants to go towards.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You're so you're more focused on less policing and more cause.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Police don't you give me. Police don't prevent crime.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: They just respond to me less policing and more fixing,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like more doing the work, yes instead of Okay, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: can fuck with that because they you know, I'll watched
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of podcasts.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I ain't see the whole thing is that it was
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: one hour and fur. But but.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: They had me, you know, Wolf, and you know, I'm like, oh,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: they just he just wants the murderer is all free.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And from what you're saying, you don't want them all
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: for You do believe that some accountability should be taken,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: but you do believe in rehabilitation, yes, over incarceration.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, I can fuck with that. Yeah, I got
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: a question all right, as your question.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: If you don't believe in the death penalty, right, but
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: then you find somebody who is committed to doing the
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: atrocities that they're doing, right, they won't stop murdering, they
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: won't stop touching under raged children, they won't stop. Right,
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: you try to do the system where you educate them,
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: put them around resources, putting around rehabilitation, and it's like, man,
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: this is like the third time we done tried with
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: this individual. They addicted to demonic shit, right, what do
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: you do?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: How would you know?
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I know this is like how in your mind, if
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: you can hypothesize in this moment, how do you take
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: care of that person?
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Then?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm more responded to that in just a second. Okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: these people are the minority of people who commit crimes. Question,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get there. So I
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: have I have an issue when people use these extreme
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: examples to justify prisons when that's the majority of people
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: who are in prisons. Okay, So now to get back
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: to your question with is I think those people should
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: be isolated again, I don't think it should be isolated
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: under occurring conditions. I don't think just because they commit
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: quitting those people are something's wrong with them. There's something
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: really wrong with that person. So I don't do that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I don't think they should just be torture for the
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: rest of their life. They should be isolated, like I agree, and.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: To a different like exiled to a different island.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, they should not be in society if
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: they have if they're incapable of exile. Sure. What I'm
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: saying is like I don't mind prison. I don't mind
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: prisons in the in the sense of they're separate from society.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I do mind prisons that are in humane conditions. So
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: separate that person, don't let them be on the society,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: but continue to get that person treatment no matter and
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: even if it doesn't result in the release. Fine, they're
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: not they're not back in this society. They're not back
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: commuting harm with people. They're separated, but they're not separated
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: in an eight by eight cell in our current conditions
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: with bad food, getting getting beat up all the time,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter how end.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So basically what you're saying, no matter how inhuman the crime,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: we don't believe in the incommune condition for them.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you respond to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: any matter.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: How do that look for them that the people doesn't?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: He said, just keep trying to help.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about the conditions, musitions like what's humane
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to you? Like it can be an actual bed with
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: a mattress, it can be it can be more than
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: eight by eight, it can be an actual room size
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: of a room. They all, right, but can give an
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: actual food.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But do they deserve that? Do they do that? Do
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: they deserve that with that little girl crying every night
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: because they took that little girl. In a sense, do
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: they deserve that?
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't operate in he don't.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: He doesn't judge that because I do. That's up for God.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Didn't call me God.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I told you I'm God soldier.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: No limb on me, Jesus.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have the moral comfortable to say
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: what somebody deserves. I just don't.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I do blows at all.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: And and to me, that's the problem. Too many people
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: have this severe reaction to where it's just it's just.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Because it's sick.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: But are you appearing with your parents? I'm not. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: hope to be one.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Day, That's what I'm saying.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: When you maybe when you become a parent, you can
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: see why we're so heavy on the pedophilium what they deserve,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: because I can't picture something happening to my child. God forbid,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: if something in that manner ever happened.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: To my child, I would be under the jail. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: wouldn't even here to.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Be here anymore, you know what I'm saying, Because it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: like that's something that that can never be taken back.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I've been touched with a kid. You know what I mean.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I don't wish, Like I said, I still don't wish.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Anything bad on anybody that's done any harm to me
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: because I'm a to forgive in that manner.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: But I wouldn't want that for my child. But is
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I seen what that allowed my life?
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I don't want that for my child. I just don't
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: think that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Prison prison's gonna make my child any safer. The person
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: is going to prison to get back out the way.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It understand what you're saying, But I just feel like
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: off the bed a man holding my kid, my daughter down,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: taking all your innocence, and then you're just going to
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: jail to sleeping on a fucking a regular sized room
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: with a mattress. It's like you live in luxury. If
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I can add on to that too, and.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: That nigga cold just go watch k Like you live
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: in luxury.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: You can think about somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer, Right, Jeffrey
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: doahmerd murdered seventeen people. Now you're right, this is like
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: a very extreme situation. I agree with you, like that's
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: not common, but in this un very uncommon situation where
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: you got one guy who murdered seventeen people and he
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: did it in just a small amount of years.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: On top of that, I don't.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Know if, like Sino was alluding to, I don't know
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: if putting him, I don't. I don't really care how
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: the room looks like. We're not calling it prison. It's
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: a different level of isolation, I think at the time.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: And you're right, this is an extreme, it's rare. But
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: if you have the capacity to murder that many people,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't care what the room looks like.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: I definitely don't believe you deserve life anymore.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: Really don't tell Yeah, you're cool with the death penalty
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Situations and situations like that will pedophila, L right, you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: don't want to do if it's I'll say castration. Honestly,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like people that continuously rape other people that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: should be should be castrated. You can still keep your life,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: but you don't have that. You don't have the genitalia
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to hurt harm anyone.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Else with that's actually valid, because it's like you're so
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: you'll hear somebody with lethal injection, you're electrocute somebody, but
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: you won't castrate.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Them exactly, take the dick away.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: But then niggas starts sticking instruments and different objects.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And take their fingers, then take their hands, take the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: totally understand saying.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: But I just like, it's just some ship. Just I
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: just can't rack. Yeah, I can't like a lot of people.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: I understand. I got it. Homie in jail and it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: like I'm on the phone and I'm like, yeah, you
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: in your room. He's like, Yo, Bro, don't call this
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: shit a room. This shit is a cell. Bro, this
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: is a cage.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: But then I also remind him, Bro, he didn't have
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to make these choices to be evil.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, everybody that makes
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: a choice, just because you made a bad choice, there's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: moments where we all have bad days and think about
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the things that you reacted to off of a minimalist situation. Say,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: something that could have been so minute turned into something bigger,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and now you're dealing with this for the next eight
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: ten years of your life because you did one bad thing,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I don't believe everybody
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: should be judged on one spectrum. You know what I'm
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: saying similar count because there's different people that do different
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: things for different reasons, especially me having someone that I
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: love that's incarcerated, and I see how he's grown, how
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: he's changed and stuff like that. He's not the same
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: person he was when he went in. He's not the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: same person he was honestly he did any of these things.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: That's also what's transform how I feel like I've met
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: mad people who and I see some of the good
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: life life when they were twenty, yeah, eighteen, and I've
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: seen them now and they have transformed tremendously happen.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: And they and it hurts them.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: They already deal with that, that that that internally, you
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, They can't.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: A lot of them have demons that they have to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: fight everything.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: At a lot of a lot of the transformation happened
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: in the first five ten years. It didn't cross racing,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: and it didn't need fifteen, it didn't need twenty, it
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: didn't need.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And then a lot of the times that's overkilled because
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: then you try to put these people back into society
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: after they've been locked up for so long. Some people
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: don't spend more years in a cell than they have
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: outside free you know what I'm saying, And it's just
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: like looking at it. There's people that never had a
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: birthday outside of jail, you know what I'm saying, and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: then they come home on their first birthday and it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: just everything. People are excited for them and they're like, no,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fucking do this.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Now. They're going out to do something that, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: just to go back.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Some people want to go back to jail just because
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: they're uncomfortable in the free world.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: It's hard for them to assimilate.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Once the time, people would do petty cromes just to
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: go to jail and come back on some time.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Then there's the people that come home and they don't
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: have any money, they don't have shit, they don't want
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to go into the shit. They try to halfway house
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and then somebody's talking down to them or it feels
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: like jel again, and they're like, fuck it, I might
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: as well go back. Then you got the family. Oh
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you got the baby mamas. Oh you're a bum, you're this,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: you're that. Oh you got the mothers. Oh you're just
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: a jail nigga Da da da da. And then they
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: just sitting there feeling like nothing. So now they're back
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: in the streets, back on the block, hanging out where
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they've been instead of like they're not if they're in jail,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like if you're in jo I feel like
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: everybody else did a certain amount of time. If you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing, not getting in trouble, they should
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: send everybody home with a check or something at least, like.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Can't get back into the world, like here's this, you
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: did this, and they got them in there doing a
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: bunch of free labor. You know what I'm saying.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: That we don't speak about getting paid quarters and pennies
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: literally to do shit that slavery.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's literally slavery. Lavery, it's not rehability. And they're
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: not allowed. And then they have these counselors.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: My fiance, oh please, he sees his counselor probably once
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in a blue moon.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying. Can't get in contact with her.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: These people can't.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: They can't tell them when they're feeling any type of
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: way mentally, because then they're gonna put them in like
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the damn box.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: If you having a mental breakdown or something, So what
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: they do, they go lash out the smoke k too,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: they go drink cohoge, they go you know what I'm saying,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: some of them smoke crack. You know what I'm saying.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It's a bunch of different ship going in there. They
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: popping pills, epping out, whatever the case may be, just
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to avoid the prison that they're in. So they escape,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: They try to escape it by putting themselves on another one.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: So I do understand that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Another thing, right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: You can say, and another thing, yo, please not right now?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Should I be hitting these lawyers up and tell them
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: about give me my goddamn money back for what I
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: don't need a lawyer. I could just roll with a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: public offender. I'm not.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to advise you on that. What I'm
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: gonna say is that I know some really good public
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: defenders and some of the smartest attorneys I know of
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: public defenders.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Do you want to be a paid lawyer.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: At some point? I considering it, but.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I would still do bono.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: But also I think I think some pay lawyers do
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: take advantage of their clients. And I don't think just
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: because I think some payloaders will overcharge their clients. Will
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: say the work on the case when they're not working
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: on the case, and then dare the clients for that work? Yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I just I have no I know better public defenders
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: and I know private private attorney.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Do public offenders get bonus when they win the case?
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: No, we we get a straight salary and that's our salary.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: No extra money for the cases we win.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: But you feel good about it? In and how many
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: cases have you won?
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I've only had five trials and I won off five.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: You won all five with the trials.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: One was an attempted robbery and then the other four
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: were drink of my driver? He said, what drink driving?
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And you won all four. That's that's good. That's a
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: good trash on.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: A good record.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Hey, congts, I appreciate it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: With that attempted the attempted robbery, how many years was
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: he facing?
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: He was facing it was a sea violent facing.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Fifteen So if he blew, he would have did fifteen.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: He could have gotten. It was between three and a
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: half to fifteen was his range.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Oh damn, because it.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Was mandatory mandatory prison time if he if he went
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: down on so he.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Got off with none.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: So what happened was he went down on the misdemeanor,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: but because he was already incarcerated for over a year.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: He yeah, Okay.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Question, if someone is incarcerated and they get indicted while
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: incarcerated on the new charge, are they able to run
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Tom's concurrent.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: If they never comped out to the first job, Yes,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: if they hadn't taken a plea yet, it could be rankingcurd.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying if they say they already got sentenced
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: from the first but they already arrested, they're.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Not gonna run a propynot. Yeah, they're gonna run the
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: same have to never tell you that about the probaby not.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I I know somebody in job right now that's facing
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the same thing they camped out to twenty two years
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: and then that the indictment came and now he's looking
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: at another executive ton eight to ten years.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, but whatever time you got arrested from the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: date you got rearrested with the indictment, that's still kind
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: of that comes with time served, right.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know that's at the time pre the indictment.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about not when you got indicted, Like
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: when you got rearrested for then that counts as time serve.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, for the moment you got arrested.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: The next Yeah, I take my hand on. You need
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: more black people into spaces like this.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: And do you agree with the merit time lord that
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: they're person or trying to pass.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually not familiar.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, See I need to be a lawyer. Hell, it's
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: merit time.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: So they're giving people that have they're saying non violent crimes,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: they're giving them more time off their sentence if they
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: have good.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Behavior and stuff.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I would believe in that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: My fiance is in the college program, so he's getting
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: time more from that too, So he's gonna be some
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: week get out.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: He's changed.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Let me, let me. I got one last question for me.
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: When you think about people who fought for justice, like
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: whether it's civil rights ra or like even more recently, like,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: is there anybody that inspires you or that has inspired
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: you to do.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: What you do?
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think the first presentence come in mind is
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Brian Stevenson. He's the gentleman who was in the the
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: book was written coll Dress Mercy. They made a movie
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: offer him Colldress Mercy. He started off being a public
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: defender and then he moved to wing wrongful convictions, so
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: people who were wrongful convicted. He started what was called
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the Innocence Project.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I have heard of the Innocence Project. Heard of that?
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: I think he did have a product he.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Said, his name is Brian Stevens.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Stevenson was a book called Dress Mercy and they made
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: a movie based off of it. I think it's very inspirational.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: What's the book, calle Jess Mercy. He's the first to
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: come to mind. Johnny Cockran in terms of just like
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: the skill, he wasn't a public defender. He was a
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: private attorney, but he is known to be one of
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: the powerful skilled and.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Oh j did that ship though he wasn't.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Johnny Cochran wasn't on that case.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: He was a defense attorney.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: He was, Yes, he was.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Was Kim Kardashian's father, Robert.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: It was That's the supreme team, the team, the team,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: but Johnny leading thirty game the glove, don't glove.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Don't fake much.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would like to say end
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: off with any positive words to the community.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Sure, I mean I do want people to consider what
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: it means to be abolitionists and to live in a
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: world where we don't have police, we don't have prisons. Again,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that means we should be held accountable.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Just like, what is it in your ideal world when
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: you and your family is safe? What does that look like?
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: And can that look like something that doesn't involve policing
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: in prisons? Correct? And if you can envision that utopia,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: I think we can achieve it. So I just I
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: want to challenge people to think beyond what they've been
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: trained to think. For instance, like I'm gonna give you
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: this one example. We live in America, right the way
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: we measure things is off interest in feet and foot
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: That's that's our metric of measurement. That's all we've ever known.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: So from one years old to ninety we're only measuring
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: things in inchest and in foot and feet. But this
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: is a whole other way of measuring things. There's a
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: whole other system where millimeters and kilometers, which is they
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: do in a whole different country. But because all we've
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: noticed one thing, all we know is police, your first
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: and your first question is also things happened called the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: police comes having caught a police. It shouldn't be that way.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that we have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: something to do right now. That's different, but it shouldn't
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: have to be that way. So there are people out
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: there who are smarter than me. I'm inviting y'all to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: just help me within in the thought process and visit
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: the world that we could live in where we don't
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: need police, if we don't need prisons, and yes, do
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: that work that do that thought process, and hopefully we
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: can we can win over my boy c note and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: he can agree with me as a boy take a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: whole lot. But thank y'all for having me. I really
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: appreciate it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, appreciate you doing the work for even helping
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: our people.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: That's it was, I mean, a good conversation.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's necessary, it is. It is especially between us
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: because like, our people are the ones who are the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: most arrested, most convicted, and most impacted by by being
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: a victim. So we should be thinking about how to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: make our society better for all.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I definitely want that. Yeah, niece's nephews, sons, she got
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: a sad growing up in this word, so we definitely
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: want to make it safe for them, right, But we
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: just want to know how how that looks. Yeah, that's all.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you on that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: And keep these pedophiles of the streets, rapists on the streets,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: and I give them no mattresses from and ship. Well,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: we appreciate you. Where they can find you at.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: You can find me at a brother in law on Instagram.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: You can also find me at for the family POC.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: That's where we have our podcast, Brothers in Law podcasts.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know all platforms. And yeah, holler at.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Me and Frenchie and you know where to find me
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: at Hot Will's for real and another thing.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Dad, Happy Daddy at the jail. That's the French Facts,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: Free mommy, and that's it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Me the official blonde stuff Blade and I see n
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  Speaker 2: y C. You can find me in Frenchy each and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: every Wednesday. Oh man, I'm so tired right now. Free,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I mean free the guys man for everybody. Free, free
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: everybody that need to be fair, great fish better fact,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: keep them nigga at the back of the jail. I'm
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: standing on free to real, keep.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: The I we keep the bad guys, castraight them.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: If you don't want to be a choice, if you
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: don't want to go to jail, get castraight.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Look you see they get castraighted to lose your life.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: It's your choice and that's all.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: That's all until next week. Peace.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: That was a good one. Someone