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Whitey Bulger The Ruthless Crime Boss Who Ruled Boston’s Underworld · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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  Speaker 1: If you look at the FBI's most wanted list, James
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  Speaker 1: Whitey Bulger is just below Osama bin Laden. He is
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  Speaker 1: charged with committing twenty murders and suspected in at least
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  Speaker 1: twenty more. But despite an international manhunt, the leader of
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  Speaker 1: Boston's Irish mob has been a fugitive for more than
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  Speaker 1: ten years. If anyone has a clue where he is,
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  Speaker 1: it's Kevin Weeks. For twenty years, he was Bulger's right
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  Speaker 1: hand man and the last person known to have seen
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  Speaker 1: him alive in the United States. But six years ago,
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  Speaker 1: Weeks turned on his boss, becoming one of the most
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  Speaker 1: important witnesses ever against organized crime. Tonight you'll hear Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Week's story, which he's written in a book called Brutal.
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  Speaker 1: It's about murder, mayhem, and treachery, and it's told by
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  Speaker 1: the keeper of Whitey Bulger's darkest secrets. Kevin Weeks is
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  Speaker 1: a soft spoken, forty nine year old native of South Boston.
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  Speaker 1: But don't be fooled by the low key, matter of
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  Speaker 1: fact way he answers questions about his life of crime.
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  Speaker 1: You seem to have committed every crime in the brook.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know if I've got all of this right.
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  Speaker 1: You beat people up, yes, put him in the hospital, yes,
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  Speaker 1: shot stab people, yes, help kidnap people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And you were an accessory to murders. Correct, that's a
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  Speaker 1: that's quite a resume.
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  Speaker 3: That's the business we're in.
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  Speaker 1: The business they were in was organized crime. And what
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  Speaker 1: said Whitey Bulger's organization apart was his penchant for violence.
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  Speaker 1: Weeks says it was all part of the folklore of
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  Speaker 1: this Irish working class neighborhood known as Southeas. Was it
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  Speaker 1: a tough neighborhood when you were growing.
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  Speaker 3: Up, Kevin, you had to fight. You didn't have to win,
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  Speaker 3: but you had a fight.
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  Speaker 1: On these streets. Whitey Bulger was known as a vision
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  Speaker 1: gangster who never hesitated to use violence. Weeks, who had
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  Speaker 1: a reputation as a tenacious street fighter, caught the crime
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  Speaker 1: Boss's eye while he was working as a bouncer at
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  Speaker 1: a local bar. Over the years, he became Bulger's most
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  Speaker 1: trusted confidante.
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  Speaker 2: What did you do for him? What was your job?
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  Speaker 3: Anything he asked me to do.
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  Speaker 1: Including murder. For twenty years, Weeks was with the crime
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  Speaker 1: boss nearly every day. But they were exceedingly careful. This
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  Speaker 1: is one of only two known photographs of them together.
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  Speaker 1: It was taken at a park called Castle Island, where
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  Speaker 1: they talked business out of earshot of police bugs. Weeks
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  Speaker 1: says the man he called Jimmy was a criminal mastermind.
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  Speaker 3: Ninety eight percent of his waking us was dedicated to crime,
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  Speaker 3: two percent of pleasure. He's very disciplined, had no bad habits.
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  Speaker 3: He him drinking and gambled into drugs.
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  Speaker 1: No bad habits if you don't count murder, And it
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  Speaker 1: was something Weeks says, White really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: How did he kill people?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? You, I mean he stabbed people. He'd beat people
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  Speaker 3: in bats. He shot people who strangled people, want them.
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  Speaker 1: Over cast yourself said also that he liked killing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, explain that to me.
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  Speaker 3: After he would kill somebody hed it was like a
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  Speaker 3: stress relief, you know, he'd be a nice and calm
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  Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks afterwards, like he just got.
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  Speaker 2: Rid of all his stress by killing. Yes, right, that's
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  Speaker 2: a bizarre way to get rid of stress.
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  Speaker 1: Weeks told us he helped Bulger commit three murders in
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  Speaker 1: this house. He lured the victims there, stood guard over
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  Speaker 1: them while they were interrogated, and after they were killed,
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  Speaker 1: he buried them in the basement. One of the victims
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  Speaker 1: was a gun runner named John McIntyre who was cooperating
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  Speaker 1: with police.
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  Speaker 3: Joe McIntyre was originally strangled, but the whope was too
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  Speaker 3: thick so.
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  Speaker 2: He was gagging.
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  Speaker 3: So Jimmy shot him in the head and then he
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  Speaker 3: pulled his teeth and we buried him.
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  Speaker 2: Pulled his teeth.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, why back then there was dental records.
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  Speaker 1: There was no DNA, so that was to prevent people
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  Speaker 1: from being identified. No regrets about the loss of life
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  Speaker 1: you're responsible for.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: If he has any regrets, it's about one person he
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill. Howie Carr is a columnist for The Boston
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  Speaker 1: Herald as well as a radio talk show host who
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  Speaker 1: has been a thorn in the side of Whitey Bulger
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  Speaker 1: and his gang for twenty years.
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  Speaker 4: Whitey Bulger is a serial killer, cocaine dealer, bank robber, pedophile,
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  Speaker 4: very smart criminal.
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  Speaker 1: Did you consider him a worthy adversary? I mean, is
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  Speaker 1: that why you went after him so hard?
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  Speaker 4: I went after Whitey just because I couldn't believe he
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  Speaker 4: was getting away with what he was doing and that
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  Speaker 4: nobody would write about it.
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  Speaker 1: So perhaps it's no surprise that Bulger in Weeks hatched
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  Speaker 1: a plan to take how he carr. We are out
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  Speaker 1: of the newspaper and off the airways were good.
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  Speaker 3: We found out he lived down in Acting in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 3: We drove down his house and we took pictures. We
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  Speaker 3: scoped it all. We looked for an escape route.
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  Speaker 2: We had one plan.
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  Speaker 3: We were going to fill a basketball with C four
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  Speaker 3: plastic explosive correct, and when he came out of the house,
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  Speaker 3: we were going to blow it up and kill him.
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  Speaker 3: But we decided that we would probably take the house
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  Speaker 3: down too and kill someone of some people's family, so
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  Speaker 3: we nixed that plan.
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  Speaker 1: Plan B, he says, was much more direct. Weeks was
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  Speaker 1: just going to shoot it.
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  Speaker 3: I was down his house one morning, about five thirty
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  Speaker 3: in the morning, across the street in the cemetery with
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  Speaker 3: the rifle, waiting for him to come out. And he
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  Speaker 3: came out about between seven fifteen seven thirty, and he
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  Speaker 3: had his daughter with him, whom was his daughter, young girl.
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  Speaker 3: He's holding him by the hand, going to his calf.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to pass on it. And then, uh,
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  Speaker 3: why do you have to pass? Yeah, I didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to kill him when of his daughter.
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  Speaker 2: You had him in your sights.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if he had come out the door by himself,
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  Speaker 1: he'd be a dead man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Your reaction to that, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe him or not.
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  Speaker 1: And he says he was in the graveyard. Is a
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  Speaker 1: graveyard across the street from Yaes there is. He said
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  Speaker 1: he was in the graveyard and had you in the scope,
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  Speaker 1: He had you in his sights.
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  Speaker 4: It just doesn't seem like Kevin would have the stones
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  Speaker 4: to do it. I mean, I could see if he
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  Speaker 4: said Whitey was there, Well, you wouldn't be interviewing me
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  Speaker 4: because I'd be dead. But I'm just not sure Weeks
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  Speaker 4: is capable of that.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't believe his story. He also said you didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the stones to kill him?
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  Speaker 3: Really wow, I don't think Holly Kai has the stones
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  Speaker 3: to confront any man and say what he prints to
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  Speaker 3: their face.
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  Speaker 2: What would you say to Harry Carve he were here.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say any to Hawy Kah. He could tell
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  Speaker 3: me what he thinks to me, and I'll show him
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  Speaker 3: what I think of him.
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  Speaker 2: And how would you do that?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 3: I think I'd be creative. I could figure something out.
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  Speaker 2: Creative?
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  Speaker 3: What is that whatever comes to mind at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I would assume, after the time you've spent in jail,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to kill him.
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  Speaker 3: No, but you know it's a loaded question.
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  Speaker 2: You can say yes or no.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't like him.
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  Speaker 1: For twenty years weeks in, Bulger were practically untouchable. One reason,
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  Speaker 1: he says, was that they had six FBI agents and
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  Speaker 1: dozens of Boston cops on the payroll.
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  Speaker 3: Every time we made a score, saying there was four
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  Speaker 3: of us involved in the score, it would be cut
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  Speaker 3: up five ways and their fifth piece would go to
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement, to the connections, and we were always getting
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  Speaker 3: information back about investigations that were going on, things people
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  Speaker 3: were doing, saying about us grand joys, things like that
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  Speaker 3: from lawn flow law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Bulger even used tips from an FBI agent named John
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  Speaker 1: Connolly to identify and kill informants within his own organization.
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  Speaker 1: Connolly is charged with murder in connection with his ties
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  Speaker 1: to Bulger's gang. With help like that, they amassed tens
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  Speaker 1: of millions of dollars from gambling, drugs, robberies, and extortions.
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  Speaker 1: Once Bulger in Weeks even hit the Massachusetts state lottery,
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  Speaker 1: winning fourteen point seven million dollars, although many suspect they
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  Speaker 1: simply coerced the winning ticket holder into having them as partners.
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  Speaker 1: Then in a flash, their luck ran out. It was
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  Speaker 1: two days before Christmas of nineteen ninety four when a
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  Speaker 1: tip from a crooked FBI agent marked the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the end for South Boston's Irish mob. That was the
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  Speaker 1: day Whitey Bulger found out he was about to be
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  Speaker 1: arrested and charged with extortion and racketeering. Wicks says Bulger
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  Speaker 1: knew he had been under investigation, but no one knew
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  Speaker 1: how much planning he had done to be ready for
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  Speaker 1: this day. Since the early eighties, he had been creating
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  Speaker 1: new identities and stashing millions of dollars in safety deposit
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  Speaker 1: boxes around the world.
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  Speaker 3: He's probably with fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars so he could live a.
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  Speaker 3: Long time, yeah on that comfortably.
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  Speaker 1: Weeks was one of the few people Balder trusted enough
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  Speaker 1: to stay in touch. He says, he was able to
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  Speaker 1: meet face to face with the most wanted man in
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  Speaker 1: America five times over the next two years in Boston, Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: and New York, delivering forged identifications and keeping him abreast
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  Speaker 1: of developments back home.
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  Speaker 2: He says.
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  Speaker 1: The meetings were always arranged by phone.
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  Speaker 3: Weird cold words for different places. When you want me
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  Speaker 3: to go to New York, he tell me you'd meet
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  Speaker 3: me at the Lions. Where was I It was a
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  Speaker 3: public library, had two big lines of FI.
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  Speaker 1: Bulger told him big cities allowed him to hide in
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  Speaker 1: plain sight. One time, white he asked directions from a
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  Speaker 1: New York City cop.
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  Speaker 3: He walked up to him and he was looking for
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  Speaker 3: a street at restaurant, and he asked the cop for directions.
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  Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe it. I'm just looking out this
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  Speaker 3: guy's wanted. He just gave him directions and stuff. He
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  Speaker 3: thanked him, he walked away.
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  Speaker 1: Weeks says the last time he saw Bulger was in
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  Speaker 1: New York in nineteen ninety six, almost two years after
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  Speaker 1: he vanished. He says what he told him he'd be
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  Speaker 1: in touch, but he never called again. A few months later,
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  Speaker 1: there was this bombshell reports that Whitey Bulger had been
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  Speaker 1: a top level FBI informant since nineteen seventy five. Bulger,
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  Speaker 1: who'd killed anyone he thought was an informant, had all
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  Speaker 1: along been giving the FEDS information about rival criminals as well.
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  Speaker 1: As some members of his own gang, Weeks, who was
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  Speaker 1: still a player in the Boston underworld, were shattered.
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  Speaker 3: He portrayed me, betrayed me the whole time, betrayed all
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  Speaker 3: of us.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me how you betrayed all of you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we knew we were paying for information that we
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  Speaker 3: had sources and law enforcement. So as far as we
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  Speaker 3: were concerned, the relationship was one way. We were receiving information,
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  Speaker 3: we were paying for the information. Now we find out
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  Speaker 3: he's given information.
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  Speaker 2: So he was giving up some of his own people.
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  Speaker 3: He was giving up some of his own people. He
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  Speaker 3: was giving up the competition he was, I mean he was.
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  Speaker 3: Basically he made a deal with the FBI. They gave
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  Speaker 3: him kyt blanche and to do what he wanted.
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  Speaker 1: Week's turn to make a deal came in nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: when he was arrested and charged with twenty nine crimes.
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  Speaker 1: Facing life in prison and abandoned by his boss, he
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  Speaker 1: decided to cooperate.
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  Speaker 2: So what did you do?
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  Speaker 3: We made a deal to sit down and talk. They
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  Speaker 3: wanted proof that I was telling the truth, so I
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  Speaker 3: led them to three bodies.
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  Speaker 1: For years, why Bulger's victims had simply disappeared and police
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  Speaker 1: could never make a murder charge against him. Stick Weeks
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  Speaker 1: literally knew where the bodies were buried, and he eventually
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  Speaker 1: led them to six of them. When it was all over,
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors were able to charge Bulger with twenty additional counts
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  Speaker 1: of murder in return for his cooperation. Weeks spent just
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  Speaker 1: seventy two months in prison. He was released last year.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people, particularly the families of the victims.
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  Speaker 2: Have been outraged.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they look at it and said, we lost
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  Speaker 1: a loved one and this guy's walking out on the street.
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  Speaker 3: They've entitled to the feelings. I mean, if someone killed
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  Speaker 3: a loved one of mine, I'd want to kill them.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want them in jail. I'd want to kill them.
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  Speaker 3: So they're entitled to, you know, and they probably correct.
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  Speaker 1: Week says he isn't worried about his safety. He's refused
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  Speaker 1: the witness Protection program and is already back in Southeast,
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  Speaker 1: where he says, people now know the reality behind the
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  Speaker 1: myth of Highty Bulger.
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  Speaker 3: We were supposed to live by a certain code, and
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  Speaker 3: this was his teaching too. You know, you never ran
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  Speaker 3: your friends, never ran in your family.
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  Speaker 2: You never give it one up.
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  Speaker 3: You have a problem, you take it to the street.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where he is today?
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  Speaker 3: A definitive idea, though, I mean, I believe he's probably
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  Speaker 3: over in Europe somewhere. I believe he went over to Europe,
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  Speaker 3: and I think he got trapped over there after nine
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  Speaker 3: to eleven.
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  Speaker 2: And couldn't come back. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: The Federal task force assigned to capture Bulger says the
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  Speaker 1: last confirmed sighting of him was in London in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two. Last week, the task force released this
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  Speaker 1: twenty six year old surveillance state of Whitey Bulger and
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  Speaker 1: hopes that someone might recognize his walk or mannerisms.
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  Speaker 6: There are few men alive today with the underworld credentials
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  Speaker 6: of John Martorano, and even fewer who were out of
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  Speaker 6: prison and walking the streets for more than a decade.
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  Speaker 6: Martrono was the chief executioner for Boston's Winter Hill Gang,
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  Speaker 6: a loose confederation of Irish and Italian American gangsters run
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  Speaker 6: by James Whitey Bulger. Martarano, a former Catholic altar boy
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  Speaker 6: and high school football star, became a cool and calculating killer,
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  Speaker 6: but he's perhaps best known as the government witness who
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  Speaker 6: helped expose a web of corruption and collusion involving the
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  Speaker 6: mob and the Boston office of the FBI. For years,
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  Speaker 6: he was one of the most feared men in Boston.
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  Speaker 6: And this is why did you keep count of how
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  Speaker 6: many people you killed?
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  Speaker 7: Never? Never, never, until in the end I never realized
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  Speaker 7: there was that many?
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  Speaker 2: How many? A lot? Too many? Do you have a number?
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  Speaker 2: I confessed the twenty in court. Sure you remembered the
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  Speaker 2: ball I hope.
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  Speaker 6: So Martroano had to remember them all. It was part
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  Speaker 6: of a deal he cut with the federal government that
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  Speaker 6: put him back on the streets of Boston after only
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  Speaker 6: twelve years in prison, a little more than seven months
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  Speaker 6: served for each of the twenty people he killed, many
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  Speaker 6: of them fellow gangsters, and many of them at close range,
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  Speaker 6: after looking into their eyes. Did you always kill people
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  Speaker 6: by shooting them?
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  Speaker 7: I think I stabbed one guy, But you like guns. Wow,
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  Speaker 7: it's the easiest way.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 6: Did you get any satisfaction out of the fact that
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  Speaker 6: people were afraid of you?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 7: But everybody likes to be respected for one thing or another.
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  Speaker 6: His manner is unemotional and detached, and he speaks with
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  Speaker 6: the brevity of a professional witness, which he has become.
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  Speaker 6: His testimony helped wipe out one of the largest criminal
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  Speaker 6: enterprises in New England, for which he served as chief executioner.
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  Speaker 6: But Martarano is no psychopath, and he doesn't much like
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  Speaker 6: the word hit man.
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  Speaker 7: The hitman is that sounds to me like somebody's getting
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  Speaker 7: paid contract. I mean, you could never pay me to
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  Speaker 7: kill anybody.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of people would say you're a serial killer.
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  Speaker 7: I might be a vigilante, but not a serial killer.
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  Speaker 7: Serial killers you have to stop them. They'll never stop,
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  Speaker 7: and they enjoy it. I never enjoyed it. I don't
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  Speaker 7: enjoy risk of my life, but if the cause was right,
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  Speaker 7: I would.
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  Speaker 6: So you felt like you were doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 7: I always felt like I was doing the right thing,
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  Speaker 7: even if it was wrong. I always tried to do
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  Speaker 7: the right thing.
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  Speaker 6: If you believe John Martarano, when the Justice Department does,
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  Speaker 6: he killed out of a sense of loyalty and duty.
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  Speaker 6: He sees himself as a stand up guy, a man
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  Speaker 6: of his word, which is why he decided to talk
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  Speaker 6: to us. It goes back fifty years when Martarano was
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  Speaker 6: a star running back on the Mount Saint Charles Academy
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  Speaker 6: football team in Rhode Island. One of his blockers was
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  Speaker 6: our late colleague sixty Minutes correspondent Ed Bradley.
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  Speaker 2: That's you. Yeah, that's me. That's it. That's me, and
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  Speaker 2: that's it. That's very good. That's what I called him,
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  Speaker 2: Big Ed.
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  Speaker 6: He promised Bradley he would sit down with him and
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  Speaker 6: tell his story, but Ed died unexpectedly before Matarano got
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  Speaker 6: out of prison.
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  Speaker 7: I never thought it'd be sitting here with you. I
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  Speaker 7: thought i'd be here with Ed. But I'm sitting here
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  Speaker 7: because Ed wanted to sit here with me, and I'm
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  Speaker 7: honoring that.
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  Speaker 6: I know wanted the questions that Ed wanted to ask you.
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  Speaker 6: That's sort of the way that Ed asked those questions
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  Speaker 6: he wanted to I think he wanted to be sitting
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  Speaker 6: here and say, what happened, Johnny, Why was it? You
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  Speaker 6: think that you went in different directions?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think it was mainly the influence of my
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  Speaker 7: father and his principles and his value is that he
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: pushed on to me.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: His father owned an after hours club called Luigi's in
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: a rough Boston neighborhood known as the Combat Zone. It
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: was a hangout for hoodlums who would become Martarano's role models,
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: and many of them shared his father's simple Sicilian values.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: He was the oldest son, and he taught me, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: the oldest, and this is your heritage. You've got to
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: take care of your family and be a man. I
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: don't care what else you are, You've got to be
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: a man.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: It was a code he lived by and killed four.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: The first time. It was an ex con named Robert Palladino,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: who he thought was going to implicate his brother Jimmy
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: in a murder. Palladino was found under an expressway with
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: a bullet in his head.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: You didn't see anything wrong with it. No, I saved
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: my brother's life. Somebody got hurt. That had to be.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: It felt like a duty, an obligation.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Was the next time easier?
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: Well, it's sort of like a lawyer trying his first case.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: It's difficult, but the next case is easier. Then it
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: gets easier. I guess as your goal because it's you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: doing this is harder than that. Why because it's hard
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: for me to do I never did it before.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: By the nineteen seventies, his circle of friends and family
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: it expanded to include the Winter Hill Gang, led by
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: the notorian Irish mob boss James Whitey Bulger and Stevie
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: the Rifleman. Flemy Martorano was their partner in a business
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: that included gambling, loan sharking, extortion and murder. Martorano's specialty
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: was conflict resolution.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: We had a lot of problems with people and uh,
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: you know you just killed them before they killed. You
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: just kill or get killed at times.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, on one occasion, you walked into a crowded
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: bar and shot somebody mm hm in broad daylight. Correct,
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: with the policeman across the street.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Correct, that's pretty confident. Well, I felt confident. You know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: You get put a disguise on and you know, and uh,
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: and you just to get to feel invisible.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Do you remember what the disguise was. Yeah?
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: I had a yellow hot hat, a white meat cut
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: his coat full length and a beard and mustache and sunglasses.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: What'd you do? Afterwards?
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: I went home and changed back to work.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: They operated out of this old body shop long Sense abandoned,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: but Whitey Bulger's chair is still there.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: These are the rooms you don't want to go in.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: So is his old office.
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: I think that's the chop door for the cellar, just
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: to leave that open all the time, just intimidate people,
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: try to get the.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Truth out of him. Oh yeah, people would look down
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: there and just.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Wonder anybody go down there and never come up?
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: I think so, Yeah, that's a nice little touch.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: By nineteen seventy eight, Martarano had already killed eighteen people.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: In Facing an indictment for fixing horse races, he fled
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: to Florida, where he was living a quiet life under
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: the name Richard o'coyn. He was only there a few
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: years when Bulger and Flemy called asking him to carry
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: out a murder that made headlines across the country, the
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: assassination of a wealthy corporate executive and the parking lot
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: of the exclusive Southern Hills Country Club in Tulsen. The
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: victim was Roger Wheeler, the CEO of Telex Corporation and
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: owner of World Highline, a profitable sports betting business that
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Bulger was trying to muscle in on. Martarano says the
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: logistical information to carry out the hit was provided by
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: a former Boston FBI agent named Paul Rico. How did
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: you manage to get into the Southern Hills Country Club
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: to kill mister Wheeler.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: There was no Gates could drive in wait for him
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: to finish playing golf. I had an update when he
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: was going to his tea time. You knew what he
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: looked like.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I had his description from Rico. How many times did
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you should have once? Did you should him between the eyes?
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Around here.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Martarano says it wasn't the first or the last time
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: he would get useful information from an FBI man. One
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: of its top organized crime investigators in Boston, a corrupt
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: agent named John Conley, helped them out for years. Mornerano
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: says it was Conley who told them that an associate
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: of theirs named John Callahan was about to wrap them
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: out on the Wheeler murder. Callahan would become Martinrano's twentieth
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: and final victim. Do you think that John Conley knew
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: that you were going to kill Callahan?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Sure, he said it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: He said, We're all going to go to jail the
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: rest of our life if this guy doesn't get killed.
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: And this is an FBI agent tell me of this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: This is an FBI agent telling it to Whitey telling me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Martrono has already told this story under oath and is
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: expected to tell it again to a jury in Florida
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: this spring, when Conley goes on trial for complicity in
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: that murder. The former FBI agent is already serving a
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: ten year sentence for obstructing justice. In the end, it
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: was a Massachusetts State police investigation that began to unravel
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: the winter Hill Gang. In nineteen ninety five, Moderano, Flemy,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: and Whitey Bulger were all indicted for racketeering. Bulger, who
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: was tipped off by Conley about his impact, arrest when
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: underground and is still a fugitive, and in a Boston courtroom,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Martarrano was about to learn something that would change his
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: life forever.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: The worst day of my life.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: He knew that Bulger and Flemy had been getting information
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: from the FBI, but he didn't know they had also
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: been providing it for decades. His partners were top level
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: FBI informants, snitching on the Italian mafia and on Martrano
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: and other gang members. They had violated his code of loyalty,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: especially Whitey Bulger.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: I'll go along with a lot of things, but not
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: no judas, not no informant. I never informed a rat
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: it or nobody, and if I could have killed him,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I'd have killed him, but he wasn't there, and that's
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: what I think he deserves.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Martinrano decided to strike back the only way he could,
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: using words as his weapon.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: I gave him back when he gave everybody else.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: He became an informer.
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: No, I became a government witness, not an informant, all
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: a rat.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I became a government witness. What's the difference.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: One's got the coverage of stand on the stand, the
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: other one doing it behind your back and dropping dimes.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: And if I'm how can I be ratting on a
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: guy who's the rat for thirty years? I'm trying to
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: stop them from ratting anymore.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Bulger, who is still on the FBI's most wanted list,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: is now facing nineteen murder charges as a result largely
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: of Martinrano's testimony, and Flemy is in prison for life.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: Martinrano's cooperation helped solve nearly forty murders, including the twenty
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: he confessed to, and it helped uncover secret mob graves,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: all in return for a sentence of just fourteen years.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: In some ways, he got away with murder.
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: In some ways he did to get away with murder.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Donald Stern was the US attorney who eventually signed off
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: on the agreement.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: The only thing worse than this deal was not doing
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: this deal, because if we didn't do this deal, no
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: one would receive any punishment for these murders, Corrupt law
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: enforcement arrangements would not have been uncovered and prosecuted, and
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: the cancer in law enforcement that existed in Boston for
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: another umber of years would have remained there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: So you're saying it changed the landscape of organized crime
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: in Boston.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It did.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: When Martarano was released from prison last spring, he decided
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: to return to Boston. He says he feels safe here
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: now most of his enemies are dead in prison or
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: on the land. In some cases, regret can take over
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: a person's lives. I don't get the sense that that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: the case with you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe that's just not my temperament on my personality.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: Maybe it is, but you can't see it, or maybe
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: I can't express it the way you want it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: But I have my regrets.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: You seem cold. I mean, you killed twenty people and that's.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: That's all you can say about it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: I wish it wasn't that way. I mean, I wish
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: there was none. You know, it can't change the past.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to do the best I can with the
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: future and explain it as best I can. I regret
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: at all. I can't change it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: You're still a Catholic, sure, I mean you've burned in
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: hell for killing one person.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that. You don't believe that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: At one point, maybe a couple of years ago, I
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: sent for a priest and gave him a confession. It
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: was maybe thirty years since my last confession. But I
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: went through the whole scenario with him, and went through
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: my whole life with him and confessed, and Uh. At
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: the end of it, he says, Uh, Well, what do
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: you think I should give you for for for for penance?
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: I says, m father, you can justifiably crucify me. He
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: laughed and says, nope, ten Ail Mary's ten our fathers,
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: and don't do it again.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So I'll listened to him.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: Anything that could get you to kill again.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Nothing I can think of, Not even Whitey Bulger. Well,
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: there's a bounty on him in Massachusetts.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: When they say mister president, they don't mean George Bush.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: There's only one man with that title. Billy Bulger, President
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: of the Massachusetts State Senate. Few legislators in America are
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: as powerful. It's power he's proud to have and not
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: afraid to use. He's not the kind of politician you
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: run across much anymore. And by the way, his brother
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Whitey is the kind of person you may never want
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: to run across. We'll get to him later. First, mister President,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: No it's not George m cohen. No, it is not
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Cagney playing George M Cohen. It is a political relic,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: a throwback to a time of populist politicians who succeeded
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: with street smarts and knowing which strings to pull. Billy
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Bulger almost defines Boston Irish. His district is South Boston,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: home of the legendary boss politician James Michael Curley, whose
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: spirit is alive and well in Bulger. Just watch him
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: hosting his annual Saint Patrick's Day breakfast, which begins with
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: a fine Irish anthem.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Of my.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Heavenly Father and of course a blessing from the parish priest.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: Father, of course is one of our best friends. And
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: also he occupies a precinct which is very valuable to
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: us all because that's where Saint Augustine's Cemetery is you
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: never know the result until the votes have been counted
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: from Saint Augustine Cemetery. And somehow there always seemed to
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: be just enough to put you over.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: The breakfast is a form of homage to Bulger. Anybody
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: who's ever been anybody in Massachusetts politics pays his tribute
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: by being bludgeoned by Bulger.
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: My advice is to get here on time.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: If Ted Kennedy got his when he tried to sass
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Bulger over where to dump Boston's garbage.
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: I was wondering whether where you want me to bring it?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Bill?
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Out of Western.
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: Hyanna's Port.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Did you know Ben Franklin, there is nothing he enjoys
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: more than taking on a well bred Yankee with inherited
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: wealth frue gallity, which makes Massachusetts Governor Bill Well perfect
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: for Bulger's meat acts.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: I'll bet you never bounced a check. Oh you, I'll
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: bet you never made out of check.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Bulger's importance is as simple as this. If you want
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: to get something done in Massachusetts, you need him. His
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: fellow senators have elected him president for fifteen years, the
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: longest tenure in state history. Bulder knows everything about everyone
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: in state office, and thus knows how to get things done,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: certainly how to keep things moving.
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: Those of favas I oppose know the iyes have it
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: the will to suspended third reading of the bill.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: Legislators give him what he wants because he knows how
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: to get them what they want. Let me let you
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: describe yourself as others see you.
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: Autocratic, dictatorial, Are those loss boss those kinds of things,
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: iron fisted, crick of the gavel? The rule is suspended.
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: The truth of the matter is that this would be
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: a debating society, the Senate or any legislative body unless
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: somebody said, at some point after we finished the debate
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: and after everyone has had to say, we're going to
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: have some kind of action.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: But there is the perception that sooner or later, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: generally sooner Bill Bulger.
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: Has on many major matters, I have my way.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: When he's not presiding in the Senate chamber, he acts
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: as House historian.
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: John Parker was the captain of the militia the.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Little Irishman from Southey, holding forth in what was once
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: the preserve of the Protestant Brahmins. Bulger's a man of
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: simple taste, but does not mind one bit. The office
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: he inherited much grander even than the governors.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: You came in and you said, thanks you, Yankee Brahmins
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: for letting us use your country, and everybody laughed and laughed,
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: and so missed the President. I want to say to you,
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: thank you so much for letting us use your state house.
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: The gov is only half kidding. Bulger has been ruthless
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: with state appointees who cross him. He'll free salaries. One
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: judge lost most of his staff and did not get
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: a raise for ten years. Such tales only add to
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: his power.
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: I heard jo The perception of power is just about
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: the same thing as having power. If people think you
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: have it, you have.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: It, and you do nothing to discourage that perception, and.
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: There's value in it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: It can be very useful, as in the case of
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Boston Edison.
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: Of course.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were polluting the air right, particularly polluting South Boston.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Your constituents, what'd you do about it?
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: I called them in and reasoned with them. It was impossible,
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: they said, I said, well, you're going to gas very soon.
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: I said, you either go to gas or the mass
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: Turnpike extension goes right through your plant. I reasoned with.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Them when you say, kidding folks, the extension of the
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: mass turned by Cole being to front door. It's a joke.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Everybody knows it's a joke. But it also and answers
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: the reputation that on the real stuff, right, he is
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: going to be that tough. Yeah, there's something to that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: I think it's the healthiest thing in the democracy that
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: the people who are elected are not afraid to assert power.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I think it's a very good thing, especially for Bulger's
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: favorite things like the Boston Public Library. When it desperately
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: needed restoration money, he came up with a thirty five
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: million dollar bill overnight. Somehow, when they need the money, they.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: Get the money as they should, as they should. I mean,
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: it's a bastion of our civilization. People who are reading
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: a book are people whose minds are engaged.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: When father McDonald needed money for the disabled, he went
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: to the Senate president and.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It happened, right, what happened. Yeah, God was good that day.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I I William Well.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: In the begin Governor Weld attacked Bulger's back room tactics,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: but he soon discovered that the wisest thing a Republicans
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: governor could do was to get along with the Senate President,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: and together they've turned the state's budget crisis around.
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: But for Jo.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Away from work, they've become a mutton. Jeff vadgal At,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: he's still on load. Anyone who's been in politics as
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: long as Bulger has, especially in the fertile turf of
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Boston politics, is bound to be accused of corruption, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: reporters here have been trying to pin stuff on.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Him for years.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: But according to the columnists for The Boston Globe Mike Bonnacle,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: that chronicler of all things Bostonian, by local standards, he's clean.
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: I've never heard a story about any lobbyist corporation having
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: the arm put on them by Bill Bulger.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: But what about jobs for the boys?
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: So the boys is not viewed and girls now is
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: not viewed in his mind or in that neighborhood, or
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: I think in many neighborhoods. When you get right down
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: to it as corruption, they refer to it as taking
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: care of your own.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Bulger is said to be a champion of that, especially
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: liberal with jobs at the NBTA known as mister Bulger's
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: transit authority. Wacko step up here, Wacko Hurley, for example,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: what a name, what a face?
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: One word says it all.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Wacko organizes the Saint Patrick's Day parade in South Boston
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: from his office at the MBTA. Billy Bulger seems to
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: know just about all of his constituents by name. He
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: invites them to his modest home, where he and his
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: wife Mary raise nine kids.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: What you're watching this old fashioned Boston politics at work,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: in which patronage is the first rule of life. Well,
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: do anything humanly possible. Boston newspapers blast him for patronage.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: In return, he does everything he can do discredit journalism
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: in general and the Boston Globe in particular.
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: It's authentic, he feels it, he hates us, and when
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: he does it it helps him in South Boston because
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: it's his thumb in ri something they have always wanted
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: to do.
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: The first day I went into office, Marty Nolan from
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: the Globe said, well, mister President, looks like a nice day,
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: doesn't it. I said, never mind your trick questions, and
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: we've been getting along fine ever since.
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: When he gets talking about the Globe, it's almost as
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: if he's going to have to stop and get a
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: venom transplant to continue.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Oh do I hate that newspaper?
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: I mean the editorials over there has to be an
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: opium den.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Bulger keeps the tension with the press alive by not
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: granting interviews.
• 36:57
  Speaker 10: I mean, who the hell are they?
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: And he was reluctant to do one with us, as
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the former state treasurer mister Crane reminded him, Yeah, I don't.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Wait to see that show.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Oh you'll wish it with sixty seconds.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: What mister Crane might have been jabbing his good friend
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: about is the sensitive issue of Billy Bulger's brother, James,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: known as Whitey, a convicted felon who served time in
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: prisons including Alcatraz, for bank robbery and has since become,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: according to the FEDS, one of the most feared mobsters
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: in Boston.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: He's a big guy, He's a major league figure. Can't
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: get around it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Does white he have the same contempt for the press
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: as Bill does? I hope not. Some people might go
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: to great pains to distance themselves to disown a brother
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: who wrong. You've not done that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 10: He's my brother. I care about him.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: You see him?
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: Oh sure, I encourage him to come by all the time.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Apart from his convictions, there was little known about Whitey Belger.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: But then last year he made the score of his
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: life and he turned up here to collect. Whitey and
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: two colleagues had the winning ticket in the Massachusetts State lottery.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: The prize fourteen million dollars. But was it his ticket?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: No, it was not his ticket.
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: It belonged to I think mikey Lynsky, who I think
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: was probably told, you know, a couple of hours after
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: the numbers came up, that he had partners, that he
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: had a couple of partners that he you know, really,
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: you know, couldn't live without.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Literally, there was a lot of suspicion. The Senate President's
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: brother wins the lottery, Come on.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: Right, sure, how'd you handle that? I sort of just
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: met at head on and told everybody, well, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: when we won, I rather when he won the lottery,
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: and the kind of thing. And now I lay me
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: down to slumber, I pray to Heaven I hit the
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: number if I die before I wake, put ten dollars
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: on four three, six, seven oh eight.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: My brother wrote that prayer. The Bulger brothers, the bad
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: one and the good one, seem out of some old
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Hollywood movie. Billy, the educated classicist who does not own
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: a television, still reads Latin and Greek books, always a
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: song in his heart and on his lips, lob read
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: and yet true or not? The shadow of menace.
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: Now, I don't know of anyone, and he's never done
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: anything too. But there is this this myth that a
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: lot of people live with that you know, if I
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: do this and he doesn't like it, either he will
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: get me, or God forbid, he might say my name
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: at lunch with Jimmy someday.
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: Molly's gonna be good to me, an you, Molly. That's
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: how they all start out. I'm your pal, What is it?
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: You?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Just remember I'm editing it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: Grab your camera and get out of here.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Billy Bulger says he seeks no higher office, that he's
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: unelectable outside of South Boston, that other world filled with
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Protestants and Boston Globe readers. But year after year, his
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: colleagues re elect him as Senate President, Afraid perhaps of
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: that power, or of Whitey, or maybe they're just in
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: awe of a masterful politician. The editorialists of Boston may
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: call for his blood, but for Southey, it'll be some
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: time before Billy Bulger's last hurrah is heard. I don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: make you right you, but they'll never say you so
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: my own power.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Charlie and Carol Gasco were an elderly couple who moved
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: to Santa Monica, California, sometime in early nineteen ninety seven
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: to begin a new phase of their life.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: For the next.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Fourteen years, they did almost nothing that was memorable, and
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: they would be of absolutely no interest if it weren't
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: for the fact that Charlie Gasco turned out to be
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: James Whitey Bulger, the notorious Boston gangster and longtime fugitive
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: who's just beginning to serve two lifetime sentences. Carol Gasco
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: was actually Catherine Gregg, Whitey's longtime girlfriend and caregiver. The
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: story worry of how they managed to elude an international
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: manhunt for so long while hiding in plain sight is
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: interesting tonight. You'll hear it from the Gasco's neighbors and
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: for the first time from the federal agents who finally
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: unraveled the case with the help of a boob job
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: and an alley cat. If you're forced into retirement with
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: a comfortable nest egg and a desire to be left
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: completely alone. There is no better place than Santa Monica, California.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: This low key seaside suburb of la is shared by
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: transients and tourists, hippies and hedonists, celebrities, and lots of
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: senior citizens attracted to the climate, and an abundance of
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: inexpensive rent control departments just a few blocks from the ocean,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: places like the Princess Eugenia on Third Street, which is
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: where Charlie and Carol Gasco, a childless couple from Chicago,
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: lived for fourteen years without attracting much attention from longtime
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: neighbors or landlords. Josh bond Is the building manager.
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: Whatever they like, they were like the nice retired old
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: couple that lived in the apartment next to me. Good tenants,
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: excellent tenants, never complained, always paid rent on time.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: In cash and cash.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Janice Good wouldn't live down the hole.
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: They had nothing and they never went out. They'd never
• 43:16
  Speaker 15: had fruit delivered. She never dressed nicely.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: You thought they were poor, Yes, without a doubt. The
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: one thing everyone remembers about the Gascos is that they
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: loved animals and always made a fuss over the ones
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: in the neighborhood. Barbara Gluck remembers that Carol Gasco always
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: fed a stray cat after its owner had died.
• 43:35
  Speaker 16: She would, you know, pet it and be sweet to it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 16: and then she would put a plate of food like
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: out here.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And she liked the cat.
• 43:45
  Speaker 16: Obviously, she loved the cat, and we all liked the cat.
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: But she was taking care of the cat.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: And what about Charlie Gasko, You know.
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: He always had a hat on and dark glasses. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 16: have to say, it was mister curious to me why
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: a lovely woman like that was hanging out with that guy,
• 44:06
  Speaker 16: that old trumpy man. I never could figure that one
• 44:09
  Speaker 16: out until I heard they had eight hundred thousand something
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: dollars in the wall.
• 44:17
  Speaker 17: Then I went, oh, okay, you know money wasn't the
• 44:21
  Speaker 17: only thing found in the Gascos apartment on June twenty second,
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: twenty and eleven, when the FBI stopped by and ended
• 44:28
  Speaker 17: what it called the most extensive manhunt in the bureau's history.
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: Weapons all over the apartment, I mean, weapons by his nightstand,
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: weapons under the windowsill, shotguns, mini rugers, rifles loaded loaded,
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: ready to go.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: What had started out as a routine day for Special
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: Agent Scott Gariola, who was in charge of hunting fugitives
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: in LA, would turn into one of the most interesting
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: days of his career. After getting a call to stake
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: out of building in Santa Monica, he notified his backup
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: team with the LAPD.
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: I had four guys working that day, and they said,
• 45:00
  Speaker 13: we got a tip on Whitey Bulger, and I'll see
• 45:03
  Speaker 13: you there in about an hour, and invariably the text
• 45:06
  Speaker 13: will return. Who's Whitey Bulger?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 45:09
  Speaker 13: A few of them had remind him gently remind him
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: who Whitey Bulger was.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: That he was number one on the FBI's.
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: Number one, number one big East Coast figure, but in
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: the West Coast not so much.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Imagine a cartel leader.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: The cops in LA were focused on gangbangers and cartel members,
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: not some retired Irish mobster who hadn't been spotted in
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: sixteen years. But then, few mobsters have ever been as
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: infamous in the city as Whitey Bulger was in Boston,
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: and his reputation was for more than just being grumpy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Besides extortion and flooding the city with cocaine, Bulger routinely
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: performed or ordered executions, some at close range, some with
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: a halo of bullets and at least one by strangulation,
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: after which it said he took a nap. Special agent
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: rich tea And who ran the FBI's Whitey Bulger Fugitive
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: task Force, had heard.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Bulger was charged with nineteen counts of murder. He was
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: charged with other crimes. He was scorged to the Society
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: in South Boston, his own community.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: He was also a scourged to the FBI and a
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: great source of embarrassment to t in Special Agent Phil
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: Towursney and others on the FBI task force. Years earlier,
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Whitey Bulger had infiltrated the Boston office of the FBI
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: and bought off agents who protected him and plied him
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: with information, including the tip that allowed Bulger to flee
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: just days before he was to be indicted.
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: We really had to catch this guy to establish credibility
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: after all the other issues, and it was just a
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: matter of bringing this guy back to Boston to make
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: sure this guy didn't die or know or get away.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: With this thing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: Toursney, who's now retired, and the agent Tommy MacDonald joined
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: the task force in two thousand and nine. The joke
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: was Bulger was on the FBI's Least Wanted List. There
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: hadn't been a credible lead in more than a decade,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: and their efforts in Bulger's old neighborhood of South Boston
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: were met with mistrust, in ridicule.
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: Some people, they told us right out from you guys
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: aren't looking.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: For that guy.
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: People just made the assumption we had him stashed somewhere.
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: I mean, people really thought that kind of thing.
• 47:13
  Speaker 18: Despite that mindset that we're not going to help you,
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: the FBI.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Still got it done. Took sixteen years. Took sixteen years.
• 47:22
  Speaker 18: This was not a typical fugitive.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: The FBI says Bulger had planned his getaway years in advance,
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: with money set aside in a fake identity for a
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: Thomas Baxter. During his first two years on the LAMB,
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: Bulger was in touch with friends and family, shuttling between
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: New York, Chicago and the resort town of Grand Isle, Louisiana,
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: where he rented a home until his identity was compromised.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: After that, it seemed as if Bulger had disappeared from
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: the face of the earth, except for the alleged sightings
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: all over the world. How many of these tips do
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: you think might have been true.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: There was thousands and thousands of tips, and I think
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: I don't think any of.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Them are true.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: One of the obstacles was there were really no good
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: photographs of Bulger or his longtime live in girlfriend, Katherine Gregg,
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: a former dental hygienist. The FBI often noted that the
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: couple shared a love of animals, especially dogs and cats,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: and asked veterinarians to be on the lookout. There were
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: reports that Greg once had breast implants and other plastic
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: surgery in Boston, so the task force reached out to physicians. Eventually,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: they got a call from a doctor, Matthias Donolan, who
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: had located her files in storage.
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: I was trying to leave the office early to catch
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: one of my kids' ballgames, and I said, well, listen,
• 48:41
  Speaker 18: I'm going to swing by in the morning and pick
• 48:43
  Speaker 18: those up. And they said to me, do you want
• 48:46
  Speaker 18: the photos too, And they said, you have photos and
• 48:49
  Speaker 18: they said, yeah, we have photos.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I said, we'll be there in fifteen minutes.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: The breast implant lead produced a treasure trove of high
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: resolution Catherine greg photographs that would help the case. The
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: FBI decided to switch strategies going after the girlfriend in
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: order to catch the gangster.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: This is an announcement by the FBI.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: The FBI created this public service announcement.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Sixty year old Greeg.
• 49:13
  Speaker 18: Is the girlfriend of eighty one year old Bulger.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: It ran in fourteen markets on daytime talk shows aimed
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: at women. Called the tip line at one eight hundred
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: call FBI, and it didn't take long. The very next morning,
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: the Bulger Task Force got three messages from someone that
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: used to live in Santa Monica and was one hundred
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: percent certain that Charlie and Carol Gasco Apartment three to
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: three at the Princess Eugenia Apartments were the people they
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: were looking for. The descriptions and the age difference matched,
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: and Deputy US Marshal Neil Sullivan, who handled the lead,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: said there was another piece of tantalizing information.
• 49:49
  Speaker 19: The tips A specifically described that they were caring for
• 49:52
  Speaker 19: this cat and their their love for this cat. So
• 49:55
  Speaker 19: that was just on one piece of the puzzle on
• 49:57
  Speaker 19: the tip that just added up to saying if this
• 50:00
  Speaker 19: isn't damn it's it's something we better check out immediately
• 50:03
  Speaker 19: because it sure sounds like them.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: A search of the FBI's computer database for the gascoes
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: raised another red flag, not for what it found, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: for what it didn't.
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: Basically like they were ghosts.
• 50:15
  Speaker 19: No driver's license exactly, no driver's license, no California ID,
• 50:18
  Speaker 19: Like they didn't exist.
• 50:20
  Speaker 13: That's the apartment that corner on the third floor, on
• 50:23
  Speaker 13: the right hand side.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: By early afternoon, FBI agent Scott Gariola had set up
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: a number of surveillance posts and had already met with
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: apartment manager Josh Bond to talk about his tenants.
• 50:34
  Speaker 14: He closed the door, threw down a folder, and open
• 50:38
  Speaker 14: it up and said, are these the people that live
• 50:39
  Speaker 14: in part of three oh three?
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: Did you say anything when you saw the pictures?
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Minus?
• 50:45
  Speaker 14: The reaction was holy, you're living next door to a gangster. Well,
• 50:48
  Speaker 14: I still didn't really know who he was, but.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: It didn't take him long to figure it out. While
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: the FBI was mulling its options, Bond logged onto Bulger's
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Wikipedia page.
• 50:58
  Speaker 14: I'm just kind of scrolling down. It's like, oh wow,
• 51:00
  Speaker 14: this guy's serious. It's like murders and extortion. And then
• 51:05
  Speaker 14: I get to the bottom and there's this thing. It's
• 51:07
  Speaker 14: like from one of his old people saying, well, the
• 51:10
  Speaker 14: last time I saw him he said, you know, when
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: he goes out, he's he's gonna have guns and he's
• 51:14
  Speaker 14: going to be ready to take people with him. I
• 51:16
  Speaker 14: was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't be involved in this.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: We were sitting here laughing about it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: But he's a pretty serious guy.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I killed a lot of people who had them.
• 51:25
  Speaker 14: Kill I didn't know that at the time.
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: Bond told the FBI he wasn't going to knock on
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: the Gasco's door because there was a note posted expressly
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: asking people not to bother them. Carol had told neighbors
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: that Charlie was showing signs.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Of dementia, so we were back there.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: So Garyola devised a ruse involving the Gasco storage locker
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: in the garage.
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: Had the name Gasco across an apartment.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Three or three.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: He had the manager call to tell them that their
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: locker had been broken into and that he needed someone
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: to come down to see if anything was missing. Carol
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: Gasco said her husband and would be right down.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: We just rushed him.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: He mean, guns out, FBI, don't move.
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: Gave the words hey, FBI, and get your hands up,
• 52:08
  Speaker 13: and hands went up right away. And then at that
• 52:11
  Speaker 13: moment we told him get down on his knees, and
• 52:13
  Speaker 13: he gave us, Yeah, he gave us, I ain't getting
• 52:16
  Speaker 13: down on my f and knees. Didn't want to get
• 52:18
  Speaker 13: his pantstory, don't want to get his pants dirty, you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 13: wearing white and seeing the oil on the ground.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: I guess he didn't want.
• 52:23
  Speaker 13: To get down in oil.
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: Even at eighty one. This was a man used to
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: being in control.
• 52:28
  Speaker 13: I asked him to identify himself and acting go over well.
• 52:31
  Speaker 13: He asked me to f and identify myself, which I did,
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: and I asked him, I said, are you Are you
• 52:37
  Speaker 13: Whitey Bulger?
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: He said yes.
• 52:39
  Speaker 13: Just about that moment, someone catches my attention from a
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: few feet away by the elevator.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Chef.
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: It was Janie Goodwin from the third floor, coming to
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: do her laundry.
• 52:48
  Speaker 15: And nice, So excuse me, I think I can help you.
• 52:50
  Speaker 15: This man has dementia, so if he's acting oddly, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 15: that could be why.
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: Immediately we flashed through my mind as, oh my god,
• 52:58
  Speaker 13: I just arrested eighty one year old man with Alzheimer's
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: who thinks he's Whitey Bulger. What is he going to
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: tell me? Naxty's elvis? So I said, do me a favor.
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: I said, this woman up here says you have a
• 53:08
  Speaker 13: touch of Alzheimer's. He said, don't listen to her. She's
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: f and nuts. He says, I'm James Bulger.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: A few minutes later he confirmed it, signing a consent
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: form allowing the FBI to search his apartment.
• 53:21
  Speaker 13: As he's signing, he says, that's the first time I
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: signed that name in a long time.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: There was a feeling of resignation.
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: I don't think he had it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I did ask him.
• 53:29
  Speaker 13: I said, hey, Whitey, I said, aren't you relieved that
• 53:33
  Speaker 13: you don't have to look over your shoulder anymore? And
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: it's come to an end? And he said, are you nuts?
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: But in some ways, Whitey Bulger and Catherine Gregg had
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: already been prisoners in apartment three three, which appeared to
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: be a mixture of the murderers in the mundane. Alongside
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: the weapons and all the money they had stockpiled the
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: lifetime supply of cleansers, creams, and detergents. The FBI took
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: special interest in a collection of sixty four ounce bottles
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: with white sock stretched over the top.
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: I said, hey, Whitey, what are these some kind of
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: Molotov cocktail you're making, he goes, No, he said, I
• 54:10
  Speaker 13: buy tube socks from the ninety nine cent store, and
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: the two tied of Mike Calves, so I stretched them out.
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: I said, why are you shopping at the ninety ninth
• 54:17
  Speaker 13: cent store. You have half a million dollars under your bed,
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: he goes, I had to make the money least.
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: It's been said that one of the reasons it took
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: so long to catch Whitey Bulger is that people were
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: looking for a gangster. In Bulger, whether he liked it
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: or not, had ceased to be wood.
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: He said, it was hard to keep up that mindset
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: of a criminal, and that's part of the reason he
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: came down to that garage. He said, if he was
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: on his game, you know, fifteen, twenty thirty years ago,
• 54:45
  Speaker 9: he probably would have sent something there. But he said
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: it was hard to stay on that edge, that criminal edge.
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: After being on the lamb as a regular citizen for
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: fifteen years.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: The master Manipulator gave credit to Catherine Gregg for keeping
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: him crying free, hoping it would mitigate her sins. She's
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: now serving eight years for harboring a fugitive on the
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: long plane ride back to Boston, Bulger told his captors
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: that he became obsessed with not getting caught and would
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: do anything to avoid it, even if it meant obeying
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: the law. Whitey Bulger's biggest fear, they said, was being
• 55:20
  Speaker 6: discovered dead in his apartment, and he had a plan
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: to avoid it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 9: If he became ill and knew he was on his deathbed,
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: he'd go down Arizona, crawl down the bottom one of
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: these mines and die and decompose and hope, hope that
• 55:34
  Speaker 9: we would never find him and still be looking for
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: him forever.