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  Music and welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner Podcast along with my partners Brian Siegler, Jonathan
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  Talley, and Shelton Moss. I am Curtis Wilson in this
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  episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts at the Main
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  pharmacy, Three O 1 S Main St. Blacksburg.
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  Very proud sponsor of this week's Spring game preview,
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  boys. Been a long time since it's been
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  all four of us. How has everybody been?
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  Hey living the dream, man. Living the dream.
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  Busy. Shelton is not only busy,
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  Shelton is crisscrossing this country from Florida to Texas.
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  Where else have you been in the last few weeks, Shelton?
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  We've been to let's see rally been NC State.
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  We've been to South Carolina, Columbia.
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  So we've been we've been kind of all over the place been to
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  Longwood last week. So I've been.
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  I've been everywhere, man. He has been everywhere.
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  Tally, you've been everywhere in the state of Alabama the last
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  few weeks, right? A couple of places work, man.
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  It ain't nothing. It ain't nothing to it, but to
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  do it. Work, work, work.
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  Well, as long as they write the checks right.
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  Yeah man. But I'm upset, man.
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  I ain't going to be there this weekend.
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  I was looking forward to it. So Brian got to ride solo.
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  I'm holding down the floor for the BCP crew.
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  Yeah, yeah. Tally, we got you.
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  Got a fan on here, some of the Felton family hollering at you?
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  We. Appreciate it.
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  We appreciate. It we appreciate y'all popping
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  in. Same with you, Mr. Drones.
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  Mr. Drones. Well boys, we do have a lot to
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  unload tonight. We are going to get into the
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  Spring Game preview in just a little while, but over the last
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  few weeks there has been some movement within the Hoops ranks.
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  We hit it here and there the last couple weeks trying to hold
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  off and see how many pieces of the puzzle would fall out.
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  And as far as the women's side go, we do finally have a new
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  coach after Kenny Brooks departure to Kentucky.
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  And that individual is Megan Duffy.
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  She had been at Marquette the last four years where three of
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  the last four years she led the Marquette Golden Eagles in the
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  Big East to the NCAA tournament. I would say that's pretty
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  impressive knowing that that's a Big East women program not named
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  UConn. So Shelton went deep diving a
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  little bit on her today. So we're going to let him answer
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  a few questions and obviously tally Brian, Y'all, get what
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  y'all think of her, read her background.
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  She's literally our age. I think she's 39, so, you know,
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  close to our age. But Shelton, she had two stops
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  prior to here. I'll let you advise what that
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  is, but when you kind of looked at the data, what is it telling
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  you about those stops? And then how did she bring that
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  level of success to Marquette of making three out of four NCAA
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  tournaments? Yeah, well, she did a really
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  good job at Marquette. She made three out of four NCAA
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  S Like you said. It would have been four out of
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  five if not for COVID because that team, that COVID team would
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  have absolutely made the the tournament.
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  Trying to pull my notes here give me one SEC.
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  But yeah. And then and then the one, the
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  one season, they didn't make it. They were they were a bubble
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  team that you know could have made it.
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  They made the NIT, the WNIT. So really good resume.
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  I think she won about 70% of her games there.
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  And you know she came from Miami of Ohio where she won 69% of her
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  games and made the WNIT twice there as well.
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  So she's a really consistent winner.
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  I mean that's all she's done is just one game.
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  She hasn't had a a losing season as a head coach and you know
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  typically Marquette looking at the Massey ratings which is sort
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  of like a a Kemp on equivalent for for women's basketball.
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  You know they were typically top 4050 and had one season and
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  being around top 30 or so. So you know she she did inherit
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  a very good team in a very good program but most importantly
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  she's able to sustain that success.
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  It wasn't like some flash in the pan where you you inherit the
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  the good players from the previous head coach and the
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  coach that preceded her with the Penn State and she has not done
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  a very good job. So I think goes to show that you
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  know just because you inherit a good situation doesn't
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  necessarily mean you're going to succeed and she's done that
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  especially in the Portal era being able to succeed in that
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  success is really impressive. So, you know, big picture, I
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  think when I look at her success there, she did not have the
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  highest ceiling, but she did have a very, very high floor.
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  So I think Virginia Tech is in a very good spot.
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  I think she's going to make them a consistently competitive
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  program. She's going to put a very good
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  product on the court year in, year out.
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  Now, can they get to the level that they were the past couple
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  seasons that Kenny Brooks had Tech at?
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  Maybe We'll see. I certainly hope so.
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  But one thing I can say for sure is that this this hire was
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  really good and she'll have tech competing night in, night out.
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  And I think this is really the the best hire that tech could
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  have made, really. So looking at it, you think like
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  should be able to consistently compete for ACC championships
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  may not necessarily be Elite Eight, Final Four every year
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  type caliber that we saw the last couple years with Kenny
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  Brooks's crew? Yeah.
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  And the reality is, you know, it's it's really hard to make
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  you lead. It's really hard to make the
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  Final Four. Like, winning is just hard.
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  It just is. I mean when you look at Kenny's
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  resume JMU, you know I think he had a stretch that his last
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  three years where he where he went something like 54 and three
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  in his conference. So he, I mean he turned JMU into
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  a powerhouse program at that level.
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  And so I think it it took him a few years to get that attack,
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  but eventually he did. So you know obviously he's a
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  great coach. When I look at Duffy, you know
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  it's it's been much more like consistently good solid results.
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  Again, not so much, you know, making deep tournament runs, but
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  they made it every year. And I think Marquette is, it's a
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  solid job, but it's not, you know, it's not necessarily like
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  the the peak of women's basketball or anything.
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  And Big East is probably, you know, behind the other Power 5
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  conferences of women's basketball, unlike the the men's
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  side. So, you know, I think she did a
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  really good job relative to program expectations, and
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  there's every reason to believe that she'll continue doing the
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  same here at Tech. Yeah, I did a deep dive too.
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  On on on Miss Duffy. What do you say?
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  Oh, oh, for Curtis. Oh man, yeah, I did a deep.
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  Dive too, man. I went and looked at some images
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  and I watched her, her attire on the sideline and she didn't
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  look, she didn't look the same in that blue that she was
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  sporting as when she came out with that maroon and that orange
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  undershirt, man. Hey, she put those they had, she
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  had them slim fit pants on and she had different, man.
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  She had them, she had them stilettos on.
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  I said OK, Miss Duff, Hey, I don't know nothing about her
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  coaching just yet, but I know, hey, she put that shit on in
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  that presser boy. She got style.
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  She styled up. She made that maroon and orange
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  look good. So I ain't going.
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  I I'm not. I'm not hating.
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  So here what we got so far she's a consistent winner.
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  She's never had a losing season. She's been coaching for seven
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  years, should have had four NCAA tournament appearances and it
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  the mind of Ohio. I mean she was second both
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  times. I'm assuming that's the Mack
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  which they get won. So unfortunately nothing you can
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  do there. She's got style per tally and
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  his notification watching. Y'all got to go see that.
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  Go look at that picture. All right, we'll we'll make tell
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  you what you think all. Right.
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  I know that she played at a very successful Notre Dame program
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  where she was a nationally honoured Player of the Year back
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  in the early 2000s. So obviously Notre Dame we know
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  still a very strong program to this day.
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  Now we had Kenny where I felt like Kenny was the inside out.
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  He's going to always have a A. He's looking for a big body on
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  the inside with shooters. What's her screen, Shelton?
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  What are we going to see? We're going to see something
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  similar. We're going to see different.
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  What does she like to do schematically?
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  So I haven't studied her. Oh no.
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  Look, we lost him. I had never seen that happened.
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  He got out of here. Ain't no telling where he is,
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  you know? Yeah, I'm back.
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  Yeah, that's what was having to relief control of your tab.
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  I got 10 different tabs up. So tabs going wow.
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  Tabs going wow. All right, yeah.
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  So you. Were saying you didn't get a
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  chance to look at schematically, but what is like the stats tell
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  you just did you get a chance to look at like point?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So, yeah.
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  So that's some kind of like that.
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  So I would say generally speaking they have been better
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  defensively than offensively. So she's more of a a defensive
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  mind of head coach. You know, they typically are
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  around top 30 in defense. You know, offense is a little
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  bit lower In terms of these specifics.
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  I mean they're not, you know, sort of kind of what we saw with
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  Kenny. They're not like the in your
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  face, you know, gonna get like the sexy stats like steals and
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  turnovers and and blocks and stuff like that.
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  But for the most part, I mean they do a pretty good job of
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  preventing, you know, good shooting numbers.
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  They're their offensive rating which is points allowed for 100
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  possessions. Last year was 45th in the
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  country which is you know pretty solid and then you know shooting
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  percentage wise they're you know their top 1:30.
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  So pretty good system. I'm sure I can you know we'll
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  we'll learn more as we go on. But I would say it's kind of you
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  know it based on the numbers. It's kind of similar to what we
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  saw the last couple years with Tech.
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  It's much more like a team team defense based style.
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  Not going to get the turnovers or the blocks, but they will.
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  You know they will play good team defense and you prevent you
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  from hitting shots for the most part.
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  Have has anybody seen, has any Portal movement happened?
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  I know we've seen we'll talk some on the men's in a few
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  minutes here but we know who left.
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  But has anything happened as far as coming in?
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  Because I know several of her players effectively got out.
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  One, I think leading scorer, leading rebounder was out.
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  Right. Yeah, yeah, they So Marquette
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  had a couple decommits. No one is officially committed
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  to Virginia Tech. And and those commits were both,
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  I believe, I believe they're four-star recruits, I'm not
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  mistaken, but very, very highly touted, highly touted prospects
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  for sure. So I think if if Jeffrey can
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  bring him on, I mean you got a pretty solid returning cast
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  coming back. I know, no, no Killian Amor and
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  no Kayla King. But I mean The thing is can he
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  can He did such a good job recruiting the last couple
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  cycles that even even when you lose some of those players like
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  you still got a really good nucleus coming back so and and
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  they got Hazleton as well as stick on the the incoming
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  freshman. So overall pretty pretty solid
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  situation to start with. Nice.
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  Bron. I think you slipped the.
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  Did you slip the question in here you want to ask about?
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  Yeah, I mean and and this might play into the the schematics a
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  little bit since you haven't really dove into that.
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  But I just was curious like what type of players, if you're
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  looking at those recruits that we're all Marquette, some of the
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  ones that were being recruited this cycle, what type of players
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  does Duffy want to recruit for success let?
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  Me put their put this up for you one SEC.
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  So I haven't looked into it too much.
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  I don't it's it's annoying. They don't list the heights on
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  the the roster. Yeah I don't.
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  I haven't looked in it too much. But there I mean I would say
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  generally speaking you know they'll have some size some
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  length some athleticism. It's hard to it's hard to square
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  them up with some of the numbers you're looking at cause like you
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  know when it's within in like a single season there's a lot of
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  variation there but I would guess based on some of their
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  defensive their defensive acumen you know she she recruits some
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  pretty solid length and size of athleticism.
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  So, but I'm sure I can dig into a little bit more and have the a
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  more detailed answer for the next couple weeks.
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  But yeah, overall, I mean, I think I'm just excited about the
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  hire. Yeah, I think it's definitely
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  it. It kind of puts a little at
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  least in the short term, puts a a nice little little Band-Aid
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  over the big wound that that that kind of came out with with
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  Kenny moving on and you know everything that happened with
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  Liz ahead of that and then you know the transfers.
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  I think this kind of settled everyone down a little bit and I
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  think saying OK we can we can still we still got a good
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  foundation here. Let's build off of that and and
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  keep this thing moving. Yeah, I think the the good thing
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  is that it's very easy to rebuild your roster and
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  basketball, especially with the Portal now.
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  I don't think this is going to be like a, you know, 2022
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  football situation where you're kind of building up from Ground
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  Zero. There's some, there's some that
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  that covered is not. It's not full, but it's also not
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  barren either. They got some pieces to work
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  with. That is very true with the
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  pieces to work with. And and there's another thing
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  that I'll say and y'all know, I'm.
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  I'm always thinking money sometimes.
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  But y'all saw, y'all saw the contract.
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  Y'all saw the contract. She is slightly under a million
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  in her first few years and slightly over in the years 3-4
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  and five. And you know, y'all know my
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  feelings towards that. Like pain.
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  I mean, love Kenny Brooks, Love where he took us paying him 2
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  1/2 to $3,000,000. That is a lot of money for a
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  women's basketball coach, that is a lot of money.
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  Unless you're going to the Final Four every year or going to
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  championship every year. You do that, sure.
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  And y'all know right now with everything going on, we are now
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  effectively putting because he was making 1.6 last year, we're
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  going to do it at $800,000 because, you know, and this is a
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  little off topic, Tally, I think we sent it to you today,
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  Shelton. I know you probably saw the
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  news. We're about to sign a law in the
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  state of Virginia where the school can pay the players
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  doesn't need to be in IO collectors anymore.
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  What are you going to do with that $800,000?
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  Go get you a five star running back.
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  There you go. So, so now the question is if
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  she comes in at that salary and has a success in it is you'll
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  get paid more, Yes, but again we will see that.
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  Yeah. And I think we talked about it
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  last week when we were talking about what this would look like.
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  You know, we we thought that over the course of that
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  additional contract probably going to average about in the
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  ballpark of that million that that Kenny was when he kind of
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  came in. So we're still kind of over the
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  course of that contract you're going to average about it right
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  at that million level. So you know, but in the short
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  term you free up a little bit of money in that department that
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  can get allocated to potentially other areas that could garner
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  more short term success, so. Don't say areas one thing.
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  Just say it. Just say it.
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  One area bro in. One area.
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  But the. There you go.
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  But the other pieces, I think we all look in here and you know,
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  hearing what Sheldon's got to say about her is talking about
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  the roster turnover, probably going to bring in a couple of
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  her players. We we're probably going to be
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  right back in the tournament next year with her record of
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  success and it's like, OK, we're paying her, you know, $2 billion
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  less and we're in the same spot again, That's what.
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  You wanted and and that that's kind of when I was looking at at
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  her, we're coming in. I was like very similar thoughts
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  to Sheldon is that you know we don't really know where the
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  ceiling is at this point and I don't necessarily know that on
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  paper it raises the ceiling, but it's certainly keeps the floor
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  as high if not higher than what we had with Kenny.
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  So I think that's exactly that that that's probably the the the
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  the most reassuring thing at this point is that you know
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  we're not going to see a fall off of the program.
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  Yeah, and kind of how I looked at it too, you know what I'm
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  saying? Kenny did a Kenny did a great
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  job coaching and and recruiting. You know, taking the, taking the
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  team to new heights. It's me developing and
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  developing, definitely. But me watching it, you know
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  what I'm saying? Me watching through this year
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  and looking at stuff like I thought for sure that you know
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  Liz and and and Georgia will be gone anyway, You know what I
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  mean? Like, I thought no matter what
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  happened they would be gone now. I didn't think she he was going
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  to leave and then she was going to go to Kentucky.
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  So but everybody was kind of freaking out.
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  I I thought she, I thought both of them going to the, you know,
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  WNBA, but you know it's like I thought that was the last we was
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  going to see them anyway. So it was kind of like
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  definitely bittersweet to see her transfer go somewhere else.
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  But it's like I thought we had. That was the last time I seen
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  him, you know, play for Virginia Tech Anyway, so.
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  Yeah, I mean, I knew. Georgia had.
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  Another year of eligibility. I wasn't I didn't think she was
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  going to take it it it was kind of a, you know it's it's hard
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  with the with the WNBA because like right now most collegiate
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  women basketball players can make more if they're playing at
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  a very high level, can make more in college than they can in the
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  WNBA alone. Now I know a lot of them are
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  playing overseas and and all these other things to supplement
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  that. But in terms of just raw
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  dollars, I mean there's there's a lot more potential for a high
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  level player in college than it is directly in the WNBA right
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  now. And and I think some of the
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  ratings that we saw in the tournament kind of, you know,
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  back that up. I mean the the college game is
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  getting a lot more eyes on it right now than it ever has, and
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  also significantly more than you see for the pro game. 100% All
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  right. Well, before we jump into
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  football, let's flip a little bit and talk about the men's
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  game. Shelton informed us so early
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  this evening he is going to be putting out an article on the
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  key play, kind of taking an overall look at it.
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  And so, Sheldon, before we get into the couple of points we
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  want to hit here, what is, you know, what?
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  What do you feel like you found out after doing this sort of
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  research project about effectively the state of the
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  basketball program? Yeah, well, a few things.
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  I mean if you want to talk, you know, kind of the, the micro
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  picture, I think over the past couple years, you know the
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  coaching staff, Mike Young has made some missteps with regards
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  to roster management, retention, obviously losing, you know,
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  Darius Maddox and Rodney Rice, you know, to what degree is he
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  responsible for that? I mean you can debate it, but it
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  obviously hurt them. And you know, in the macro
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  picture, I think nil has become increasingly a problem for the
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  men's basketball side just because you know, Triumph is
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  putting, you know, almost all the resources into the football
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  side and it's benefited from Pride tremendously.
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  But it's also come at the cost of of men's basketball.
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  So you know, I've heard, I've heard not great things about,
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  you know, their, their current overall spending numbers.
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  And you know, when I look at I think what I was trying to do is
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  really compare and contrast years two and three of the young
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  yard with years four and five, which is the last two.
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  And when I do that, I think the biggest, the biggest variable
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  that's changed really is nil. Because I think this first
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  couple years you, you sort of had this you know, scrappy
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  roster with a bunch of low rated kids like a Mutts or an Illuma
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  or a Couture or a Stern Murphy and they all kind of punch you
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  by their weight class and it was a really good basketball.
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  But the last two years it just hasn't really been the same.
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  They're getting some guys in that don't really fit.
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  The evaluations haven't been great.
• 19:57
  It's kind of an odd. It's kind of an odd mishmash
• 19:59
  pieces that the roster just doesn't really.
• 20:02
  It doesn't look like a Mike Young roster, really.
• 20:04
  And I know he's a great coach. I trust his evaluation skills.
• 20:07
  But something over the past couple years, it just doesn't
• 20:10
  seem like it's like it's real Mike Young basketball.
• 20:13
  And I would argue that NIL is a big part of that because I just
• 20:16
  don't think they're giving guys what they want to get.
• 20:18
  And so the question for Tech is. You know, how much are they
• 20:21
  going to support the program? And for Young, you know, I think
• 20:24
  he needs to embrace nil more. I just, I do.
• 20:26
  I know some people would dispute me on that and say it's it's out
• 20:29
  of the control. But you know, he hasn't really
• 20:31
  said anything about NALNAL in two years of being our head
• 20:34
  coach and two years of, you know, Nil being a big thing
• 20:37
  really. Whereas Brent Prize has been
• 20:38
  talked about all the time. So I think a few things need to
• 20:41
  happen first. Tech has to reassess, you know,
• 20:44
  the support that they want to give the program.
• 20:46
  Young has to embrace Nil a little bit more and he's got to
• 20:50
  make better roster decisions. I think it's, I think it's that
• 20:52
  simple. So I'm trying to trying to
• 20:54
  balance all those two things at the same time.
• 20:57
  All righty. Well, now let's kind of hit this
• 20:59
  piece and it's kind of been known.
• 21:01
  I mean, I'm going to give Mike Young a lot of credit because
• 21:05
  the team on the floor we had did not meet the expectations that a
• 21:10
  lot of us thought were happening.
• 21:12
  And instead of saying we're going to ride again with this
• 21:14
  same group, I mean, kids gone, kids gone to Miami, Camden's
• 21:22
  gone, Padula's gone. MJ Collins is gone.
• 21:24
  Petite was out. Now he's back in.
• 21:27
  Tyler Nichols gone. I mean, y'all I just mentioned,
• 21:32
  a bunch of guys who played a lot of minutes, scored points,
• 21:34
  grabbed rebounds for us. Sheldon wouldn't know.
• 21:37
  When you were doing the deep dive, did you get a chance to
• 21:39
  look at this and kind of see why?
• 21:42
  Or is it going back to what you said that there's mixed match
• 21:46
  pieces in? Was Mike Young just cleaning
• 21:48
  house, 'cause he knew it was kind of.
• 21:51
  Yeah. So you know, people have
• 21:52
  criticized Young's retention in the past, I think maybe a little
• 21:55
  bit unfairly. This year is much shipping
• 21:57
  because you know, Tech is losing a bunch of players that you know
• 22:00
  in some cases are starters, role players that they obviously want
• 22:03
  to have on the team next year. I think when I look at the the
• 22:06
  portal exodus that happened a couple weeks ago, it was almost
• 22:09
  entirely due to the fact that a lot of these guys want to see
• 22:11
  what their market value is and so they're entering the portal.
• 22:14
  You know they they see what they can make out of the schools and
• 22:18
  if they don't like what they see, they'll come back.
• 22:20
  And so Petit decided to come back.
• 22:22
  Collins decided he wanted to go elsewhere.
• 22:24
  Nickel is almost certainly gone. I mean I think he's probably
• 22:26
  going to get, he's going to get it back from someone.
• 22:28
  I know I know who it's going to be.
• 22:29
  But he's, you know, he's not coming back.
• 22:31
  Padul's not coming back. I don't think so.
• 22:34
  Yeah. It's just right now they're
• 22:36
  just, I mean they're just not competitive.
• 22:37
  I I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses for young, but
• 22:40
  when you're when you're, you know, nil is this uncompetitive.
• 22:43
  It's just hard to retain players like that.
• 22:44
  Now that being said, to your point, Curtis, I do think the
• 22:47
  guards in the wing kind of needed a makeover.
• 22:50
  Some of it is really good, I think.
• 22:51
  I think Ivy Curry, the kid from UTSA is a huge upgrade over
• 22:55
  Collins and they also got Ben Burner from CFC, who I think
• 22:59
  could be an upgrade over Robbie Baron as well.
• 23:01
  So to that extent I think it's good.
• 23:03
  But at the same time they've got one scholarship point guard on
• 23:06
  the roster next year and it's and it's Brandon Rex Steiner who
• 23:09
  Young did not even trust to play this year.
• 23:11
  So they got they got ways to go, man.
• 23:13
  It's not it's not gonna end right here.
• 23:15
  They they still got some work to do.
• 23:17
  Tally, I'm going to ask you a question because obviously.
• 23:20
  Don't do it. No, I want.
• 23:22
  No, no, no. Here's my question.
• 23:24
  Of those six guys that were out, now it's five because, you know,
• 23:29
  petite back is obviously going to be on the bench.
• 23:34
  Who are you most shocked by? Like who didn't you want to
• 23:38
  lose? Like man like.
• 23:39
  I like, I like Tyler Nickel. I think Tyler Nickel brought,
• 23:42
  yeah, I think he just brought something a little bit
• 23:43
  different. But I feel like he was kind of,
• 23:47
  again, watching Mike get on play basketball reminds me of like a
• 23:49
  coach that, like I said, he's not a good coach, but he's a
• 23:53
  like he seems like a systems coach.
• 23:55
  So it's a certain system that you have to play in.
• 23:59
  And some players, just like if you go watch AAU basketball
• 24:02
  nowadays, it's all like freelancing.
• 24:04
  You know, Tyler Nichols seems like a kid that plays like that.
• 24:08
  You know what I'm saying? Just, you know, kind of you have
• 24:10
  to give him the ball in space and let him do some things or
• 24:13
  you know, let him shoot Mike Younger.
• 24:15
  He has a certain system that he runs and some people fit good in
• 24:19
  that, some people don't. You know what I'm saying?
• 24:21
  Like Justin Mutts fit good in that system for for young, you
• 24:25
  know Grant Gazilli, he fit good in that system.
• 24:28
  Like he likes those 6869 center type players that can move out
• 24:35
  and shoot the three. But you know when you got a four
• 24:39
  that needs to be a stretch 4, but your five is a stretch 5.
• 24:43
  Like what do they play? So that system kind of doesn't
• 24:46
  work together. So like Sheldon said, I feel
• 24:48
  like it's kind of a been a mismatch of players.
• 24:52
  And then with his his guard play, I think, I mean Sheldon
• 24:57
  hit the nail on the head when he said like the people that he
• 24:59
  brought in really like punched above their weight class.
• 25:02
  When you look at like * Murphy and some of the other guards
• 25:05
  like you can't be for all the shit that the ACC takes, the ACC
• 25:11
  basketball, like the guards and the ACC are usually pretty big
• 25:15
  physical guards and are very athletic, you know, and and our
• 25:19
  guards have not been that. You know, we we haven't been
• 25:22
  going to getting it. And when we do get it, you know,
• 25:24
  it it doesn't come together so we can see what it looks like.
• 25:27
  So I've been disappointed. I've been disappointed with with
• 25:31
  not with Mike Young or the team but just like the system that
• 25:37
  he's trying to run in the ACCI. Just don't think that you can
• 25:40
  have longevity and and success with that kind of system.
• 25:44
  You know that's a that's a waffle system.
• 25:47
  He's got to change some stuff up.
• 25:49
  I mean I haven't done a whole bunch of like research on the on
• 25:55
  the kid the the Curry kid. But you see Kevin, he, he's down
• 25:59
  from where Kevin's from Kevin, as soon as we got him, Kevin
• 26:02
  said, you know this that kid can play, you know, so I got to do a
• 26:07
  little bit of research to see what he looks like.
• 26:09
  But I mean you got to get you some bigger guards to be able
• 26:12
  to, to match up with some of these guys that we're going,
• 26:15
  you're going to go against, you know, day in and day or night in
• 26:17
  and night out. Yeah, bigger guards, more
• 26:19
  athleticism. I think you know the ability to
• 26:24
  get your own shot a little more consistently.
• 26:27
  I feel like we we. We.
• 26:28
  Lack some of that ability as well, especially on the wing and
• 26:31
  at the guard position. So you know, if if I'd like to
• 26:35
  see more of that in terms of the guys we're bringing in.
• 26:38
  And I think the unfortunate thing is that you felt like we
• 26:41
  had some of that in these last couple classes, 3 classes, that
• 26:46
  most of that talent is now playing on some other team for
• 26:51
  one reason or another. So I think that's the more
• 26:53
  frustrating part from my perspective is you're trying to
• 26:57
  trying to reconcile that, right? You know what threw me for a
• 27:00
  loop? Like, out of everything that's
• 27:01
  happened since Mike Gunn been here, why did Grant Bazzilla
• 27:04
  lead the country? Like what?
• 27:08
  He just was like, I need to get away.
• 27:10
  Like I. Went to Italy, man.
• 27:12
  Have you heard of the food over there?
• 27:14
  Yeah, he's saying. Fucking about the money he can
• 27:17
  make playing internationally compared to the nil that we we
• 27:20
  can offer, apparently, I mean. That's, he said.
• 27:21
  He said. I'm gone.
• 27:23
  That's what it is. Go to Italy?
• 27:24
  Yeah, I'm going to eat good food and I'm going to get paid
• 27:26
  $375,000 a year. I need to look.
• 27:29
  At the Mediterranean climate. I need to look it up and see how
• 27:32
  he's doing. Probably good, probably good.
• 27:36
  It was definitely a miss this year.
• 27:38
  Can can we say this though? You talked about Ivy Curry
• 27:42
  already and how he's different. Kevin mentioned on there, Kevin
• 27:45
  and William mentioned he's a bucket on there and then you got
• 27:49
  Burnham coming up from Coc is. That is that Bo's brother.
• 27:53
  It no God fine. Just just.
• 27:59
  But you know Mike, I got a cousin down in Charleston and
• 28:01
  messaged me when he transferred and he said I don't know if he
• 28:03
  can handle ACC starting play, but he can definitely be your
• 28:07
  bench 6-7 Tally Looked at him, looked little films.
• 28:10
  That's my young guy, yeah. That's Mike Young.
• 28:13
  Yeah, that's Mike Young. I did.
• 28:15
  That's his guy. That's what he that's what he
• 28:17
  goes and recruits, man. That's what he brings in so.
• 28:19
  So, but what I'm hearing is I think we all see some of the
• 28:22
  sets that Mike runs are successful.
• 28:26
  Mike Young to me it's and it's probably going to be has to
• 28:29
  happen match here over the next two to three years.
• 28:31
  It's like you can still run that system but you have to start
• 28:36
  separating it right like you did tally telling y'all were
• 28:40
  mentioning. You've got to have guys that can
• 28:42
  just take over. You still have your set place
• 28:45
  because by God, I told my son we watched a bunch of the NCAA and
• 28:49
  then somebody called the time out and I tell him I'm like,
• 28:52
  watch his set play. It's going to come out there
• 28:53
  going to score a bucket in about 6 seconds.
• 28:55
  And every single time, set play, boom, boom, 3 pointer in.
• 28:59
  He's like, how'd you know that? I'm like sweet college coaches
• 29:01
  run things like they get them because you always see them take
• 29:05
  it after a big run. You know, you go down seven or
• 29:07
  eight, eight call the time out. We're going to run a play.
• 29:09
  We're going to, we're going to stop the run right here.
• 29:11
  He's got to develop and evolve into.
• 29:14
  It's OK to still have your system, but you've got to start
• 29:17
  looking for other things. And the question is can he do
• 29:20
  that over the next few, over the next few years Tally, before we
• 29:25
  go any further, just so Eric, here's got a question for you.
• 29:31
  Where'd you get the hat? What is the fanatics?
• 29:35
  Yeah, I think it's Fanatics is where I got it from.
• 29:38
  All righty. Most of the time.
• 29:40
  That's what I mean. Unless I go to Blacksburg and
• 29:42
  pick them up, I'm usually picking up stuff off there.
• 29:44
  But I stay online too much. Man.
• 29:46
  If I see something, I just. My daughter.
• 29:49
  Yeah, my daughter taught me how to online shop, so I just grab
• 29:51
  it. Oh man.
• 29:53
  Because we saw Tally yesterday. We had a little podcast session
• 29:58
  on our new network, Effectively, and he had a different hat on.
• 30:01
  There's another Virginia Tech hat on yesterday, and Dave's got
• 30:04
  me wide. I mean always.
• 30:07
  So yeah, but anything else y'all want to hit as far as it goes
• 30:11
  with the, the, the with hoops feel like we put it to rest
• 30:19
  other than. And are we going after Milk
• 30:22
  Chamberlain? No.
• 30:26
  Steph blurry. Steph Blurry.
• 30:29
  I like. I like Al Jabar.
• 30:30
  Cream. Abdul Jabbar Cream Cream.
• 30:34
  I like. I like the same.
• 30:36
  I mean, he's going to, yeah, he's going to get, he's going to
• 30:38
  get some money from somebody. I don't think he's paying.
• 30:40
  But by all but all means, you tally.
• 30:42
  You talk about it, You talk about a stretch five that can do
• 30:45
  that stuff. He he fit.
• 30:48
  But The thing is with him is like he plays more of a he is a
• 30:51
  stretch 5, but he plays a little bit bigger too.
• 30:54
  Like, I think more, you know, Mike Young's centers are like he
• 30:58
  likes him to play a little bit less big than that that kid
• 31:02
  does. But I mean, I don't know.
• 31:04
  I'd like to see him in Blacksburg.
• 31:06
  I think it sells some tickets at least.
• 31:09
  Touché touché. Sell some T-shirts or nothing
• 31:12
  else. And you know how many goggles?
• 31:13
  You know how many goggles some kids will go by?
• 31:17
  Goggles up, man. Let let me ask you all this
• 31:20
  because we talked about a little bit last night in Shelton.
• 31:23
  We didn't get your opinion on it.
• 31:25
  How big of a deal is it? What's about to be passed in
• 31:29
  here in Virginia with the nil stuff?
• 31:32
  Because we got a chance to mention it last night and you
• 31:35
  know, we kind of know our own opinions on it and y'all can
• 31:37
  check that out. What do you think of it?
• 31:40
  Like how big of a deal is it? I think it's.
• 31:43
  I think it's awesome. I think Virginia's kind of
• 31:45
  getting a head start in this. You know being able to to work
• 31:48
  to work the NIL funds through the athletic department which
• 31:51
  what I understand is going on here.
• 31:53
  I feel like NIL is such a, it's such a weird shady concept where
• 31:58
  you've basically got this you know third party slush fund all
• 32:01
  these you know the paying customers are are crowdsourcing
• 32:04
  essentially the, the salaries of the players.
• 32:06
  I mean no you can't say salary but like that's what it is
• 32:08
  you're you're paying guys essentially you know through
• 32:10
  advertisements And so we're footing we're like we're we the
• 32:14
  customers are footing the bill for not only the nil stuff but
• 32:17
  also the facilities you know the staffing, the operations budget
• 32:20
  like it's all coming through donations.
• 32:22
  So it's like what I mean what are we doing here?
• 32:23
  So I, I my hope is that eventually in the future we can
• 32:27
  have some sort of, you know, revenue sharing, collective
• 32:30
  bargaining type of model because I think that's the only
• 32:31
  sustainable way. Like asking you know, the fans
• 32:34
  to, you know, donate on top of, you know, the facility stuff,
• 32:38
  the nil as well. And then having it operate
• 32:40
  through these collectives where, you know, they operate in
• 32:42
  complete secrecy. You don't know the exact
• 32:44
  numbers, you don't know where they're putting the money.
• 32:46
  They can decide to put it wherever they want to.
• 32:49
  It's just kind of a mess. So anything to get more clarity
• 32:51
  and transparency and funnel the the, the fundraising efforts to
• 32:54
  the athletic department I think would be a great thing.
• 32:58
  Yeah. And I think you'll see those
• 33:00
  collectives turn into more of like kind of the the marketing
• 33:04
  arm, the the arbiters of the GO betweens between those
• 33:09
  opportunities and the athletic department not necessarily fully
• 33:13
  absorbed but still kind of a a partnership.
• 33:15
  But you you don't necessarily have to have the money fully
• 33:18
  going into into that Ave. It can be allocated to those
• 33:23
  efforts through the school as you said some.
• 33:26
  I think that makes it a little more, a little more above board
• 33:29
  and it lets it gives the school some flexibility as far as what
• 33:32
  they want to earmark for nil, how they want to earmark money
• 33:36
  for facilities improvements and things like that.
• 33:39
  They have a little bit more flexibility with how that it
• 33:42
  gets managed because it's no longer, it doesn't have to be in
• 33:44
  two different buckets anymore. Yeah, and that's that's a
• 33:47
  problem for tech basketball is that like if you cannot donate
• 33:50
  to Triumph and donate to basketball specifically, like if
• 33:53
  you give the Triumph, Triumph decides where that money goes.
• 33:55
  You do not have any say in where the money goes.
• 33:57
  So if they're putting them into football, it's going to football
• 34:00
  and you can, you can, you cannot do anything about it.
• 34:03
  So I think you know, getting getting rid of that system would
• 34:05
  be good. All righty.
• 34:08
  Well, as as everything goes down in the next few years, we'll
• 34:12
  definitely be keeping an eye talking about it.
• 34:14
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  Now back to the episode. All righty.
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  So before we get into diving, talking a little bit about the
• 35:51
  spring game itself, there are a few things going on down in
• 35:55
  Blacksburg over this weekend and unfortunately Sheldon's going to
• 35:58
  be in Texas. I got youth baseball tally
• 36:02
  traveling next week for work, so he can't come up.
• 36:04
  Brian is our lone man, lone Wolf and Brian, what all you got
• 36:11
  going on, you're going to be doing up in the burg over the
• 36:13
  weekend? Yeah, so me and me and Wifey are
• 36:16
  heading up there. We're taking off from here about
• 36:19
  lunchtime on Friday. We'll be heading to the Spring
• 36:23
  Jam on Friday night, and we got the big pregame show the next
• 36:30
  day at Tots 12:15 PM. Everybody be there.
• 36:35
  It's going to be yours truly. There's going to be folks from
• 36:39
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• 36:46
  Virginia Tech is for Lovers, BT for L Crew.
• 36:49
  We got drift there. So it's going to be a little bit
• 36:52
  everybody. So pull through, have some
• 36:55
  questions for us, interact with us, get a get a get a rail, get
• 36:59
  a get a beer, have a good time and then we'll be we'll be
• 37:04
  probably be up on on Chicken Hill for a little bit in the
• 37:06
  morning. So come, come, swing by there
• 37:08
  and see us too. Yeah, we did that pregame.
• 37:11
  We did that pregame show. Pete did a good job last year
• 37:15
  putting everything together, having everybody in the right
• 37:17
  spot. So shout out to Pete B last year
• 37:20
  for putting that together. But it was a good time, man.
• 37:23
  I mean it was the who's who, you know, Cam Chance was walking
• 37:27
  through, Wyatt Tell was walking through, you know, as of last
• 37:30
  year, I don't know who's going to be that this year, but I'm
• 37:32
  just saying if you got time to to show up to the the pregame,
• 37:38
  the pregame show, it was definitely a good time.
• 37:41
  I recommend everybody stop by there and stop by there and show
• 37:44
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• 37:46
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• 37:50
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• 37:55
  It'll be live at 12:15. The question is how many rails
• 37:58
  are you having Brian during the episode?
• 38:01
  I mean, you know, I I've, I've been told that if you do more
• 38:05
  than two in a three hour sitting, you're an animal.
• 38:07
  So I guess it won't be an animal.
• 38:08
  You can be an animal. Wait a second.
• 38:10
  When we went up for the Pit game, me and you both had two in
• 38:13
  like an hour sitting. Yeah, we're kind of crazy.
• 38:16
  You know? I drink I drink 1/5 of Evan
• 38:19
  Williams on this podcast so. I think Jeremy's we're.
• 38:22
  We're not. We're not the barometer for
• 38:24
  responsible consumption of alcohol here.
• 38:27
  Yeah, I think, Jeremy said. He's going to have his baby girl
• 38:29
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  He's going to be like Halloween from the hangover, that thing,
• 38:42
  so that'd be cool. We see him like that all.
• 38:45
  Righty. Well, Brian, enjoy it, man.
• 38:47
  We look forward to some pics and you your stories for it next
• 38:50
  weekend. All right, well, let's get into
• 38:52
  the spring game itself. And today, Darren Coach prize
• 38:56
  interview. Hold on, hold on, Kevin.
• 39:00
  If you're going to be up, you swing by tots at 12:15 and Brian
• 39:05
  will buy you a rail. It is the signature drink at
• 39:08
  Tots in Blacksburg. It's every what is it?
• 39:14
  It's every rail. Drink every rail liquor you get
• 39:19
  a little bit of, a little bit of juice topped off at the end
• 39:22
  there, just. To don't do that.
• 39:23
  Keep it smooth, Don't. Do it.
• 39:26
  Just enough to keep it smooth at the end there.
• 39:28
  Yeah, it. It'll it'll get you feeling
• 39:31
  good. If you ask somebody what a drink
• 39:33
  is and they can't give you a straight answer, don't fucking
• 39:35
  drink it. It's good.
• 39:37
  That's all I can say. I had my first.
• 39:39
  It it'll creep up on you. It's a.
• 39:40
  Creeper It will. Yes, it will.
• 39:42
  I don't. Let's talk.
• 39:43
  Let's talk about now Coach Pratt kind of revealed the format
• 39:46
  today. First half regular clock, the
• 39:49
  first quarter, 15 minutes, 12 minutes, second quarter and then
• 39:55
  basically running clock in the second-half of 212 minutes.
• 39:59
  As you all know, this is where my pain point is when it comes
• 40:02
  to the spring game because unfortunately Coach Pratt broke
• 40:06
  my heart again this year and we going to have split rosters
• 40:09
  again. If I chill, y'all chuckling.
• 40:14
  Curtis upset that probably after after we had proud last year
• 40:18
  that he didn't listen to him. Hey but you know what he's
• 40:23
  staying true to form though it's it.
• 40:25
  We ain't there depth wise we ain't there depth wise.
• 40:29
  And and I get it and and I get with the split rosters and
• 40:32
  everything where you still want to see guys compete because you
• 40:35
  know you you do get a feeling that probably there were guys
• 40:40
  who took some meaningful reps in the second-half that may have
• 40:43
  made themselves on special teams, may have made themselves
• 40:47
  get some snaps. So I get it, but you know I I I
• 40:51
  just want to see one one. I want to see the best line
• 40:53
  against the best line, the best quarters get the best wide out.
• 40:56
  I I think we're finally at a point where split rosters from a
• 40:59
  depth standpoint is going to look a little bit better.
• 41:03
  I do feel like we've got seven or eight reliable offensive
• 41:07
  lineman now that's not quite a full, full 2 lines there, but I
• 41:11
  think we're getting a little bit closer to what that looks like
• 41:14
  most concerned. I don't even see the position,
• 41:17
  right? Yeah, I don't even need to see
• 41:19
  some people this year. I know what they look like.
• 41:22
  He put QB One in a bubble. Leave him on the sideline.
• 41:26
  We know what he can do. Shoot.
• 41:30
  God Dang. I can't even think.
• 41:32
  The wide receivers, the old ones, we all need to see what
• 41:36
  they can do. We know what they can do.
• 41:38
  The top four. Hey, leave them alone.
• 41:41
  Don't two. Leave them alone.
• 41:45
  He carried the ball enough. He he ran enough.
• 41:47
  He was jumping over people against fucking Florida State.
• 41:51
  I don't need to see him in a practice game, you know?
• 41:53
  I'm fine. When we get to the offensive
• 41:55
  side a little while, I know exactly as tallies will be like
• 41:57
  one word don't play or two words don't play.
• 42:00
  Let's talk, Let's talk. We got new guy.
• 42:02
  We got new king in here again. New king.
• 42:04
  We have to get you when we play Miami, man.
• 42:06
  We need to get you on this show, on this show before and after,
• 42:10
  'cause, hey, we appreciate you popping in, man.
• 42:12
  Absolutely. It started, it started off as a
• 42:15
  as a as a rivalry, but now between me and you it's a it's a
• 42:19
  a a civil rivalry, A sibling rivalry.
• 42:22
  So you hey, we going to get you on here and.
• 42:25
  We're going to bust your ass, but we going to have you on here
• 42:27
  and have. We're going to get you on here,
• 42:29
  man. Have a good time.
• 42:30
  Appreciate you for popping in. Reaching across the bounds of of
• 42:36
  fandoms here, but let's talk about what we want to see in
• 42:39
  this game. And I want to start on defense
• 42:40
  because that's just where I wanted to start.
• 42:44
  And let's talk D line. 'Cause fuck, Y'all right, let's
• 42:48
  roll. There you go D line baby.
• 42:51
  D line Let's talk DNS. Hey, what?
• 42:55
  Well, we talked enough about, you know we'll talk about the
• 42:57
  offense because we know and Tally already put his statement
• 43:00
  on basically three position groups so he ain't going to have
• 43:03
  anything to say in 20 minutes here.
• 43:04
  But what we What are we looking at from the end?
• 43:07
  Because we feel like this is my feeling.
• 43:10
  AP Rs an absolute stud. Cole Nelson.
• 43:12
  Just Eddie. Eddie Burgos flashed and what do
• 43:17
  we, I mean, are we looking for? Do we need one?
• 43:19
  Do we need two? Do we need what do y'all want to
• 43:22
  see? Yeah, I don't care who takes it.
• 43:26
  Brian, come on, man, hit me with.
• 43:28
  You know what you know let let me get you know we going to get,
• 43:32
  are we going to see somewhere from CJ McRae, are we going.
• 43:37
  I need to know, man. I mean we've seen, we've seen a
• 43:40
  a little bit, but then we don't see him.
• 43:43
  So I'd like to know where he's at.
• 43:46
  It's flashes. Right.
• 43:47
  I've seen flashes and I I think I think if we're if we get some
• 43:50
  consistency, if he gets to that level where he's able to to put
• 43:54
  those pieces together consistently especially on non
• 43:58
  obvious passing downs. I mean because he's a he's a
• 44:00
  beast coming around that edge and he he gets after the
• 44:02
  quarterback and I think he does a good job of being disrupted.
• 44:06
  But I think sometimes when when that first move in working or he
• 44:10
  doesn't get his hands there right out the gate, that's when
• 44:12
  he struggles and can't kind of get 8 up and kind of get lost in
• 44:15
  the shuffle there. All right, so CJ Mcrae's Who's
• 44:19
  got y'all's eye on CJ looking a little bit bigger.
• 44:22
  They got him listed almost £250 this year where he'd been
• 44:25
  hindering that What 230? Sheldon, you got anything on the
• 44:28
  defensive ends? Not really, honestly.
• 44:31
  I mean, I like the continuity there.
• 44:33
  You know, I think I'm trying to professional a little bit.
• 44:36
  I mean you got most of the guys returning, I think it'll be a
• 44:40
  pretty solid unit. I know that I'm trying to think
• 44:43
  I believe it was Bill Connolly who said that returning
• 44:46
  production on the defensive line is actually more important than
• 44:50
  returning production to other positions.
• 44:51
  So if you have continuity there, I mean that's you're you're
• 44:54
  really set there. So I think I think the amount of
• 44:57
  returning production that tech has there is going to bode
• 44:59
  pretty well. So I'm excited to see, study and
• 45:01
  see how it turns out all. Righty, Now there is one other
• 45:05
  part of the defensive line, and that's defensive tackle Tally.
• 45:08
  Do you want any of the starting four to even play?
• 45:12
  Man, I don't even know. So I think what it is really,
• 45:15
  you know, I'm, I'm I'm saying stuff joking, but if you got
• 45:18
  some stuff where they're because they're they're football players
• 45:20
  and they got to play, they got to play football, you know what
• 45:22
  I mean? But when you got something in a
• 45:25
  setting like that, you know, it does show you who shows up, you
• 45:29
  know, when the lights come on. So if you got somebody that's
• 45:32
  battling for like a spot, you know, a two man, three man,
• 45:37
  whatever, because the name of the game for that defensive line
• 45:40
  has got to be depth. You know what I'm saying?
• 45:42
  I mean, you got a couple of top guys there, but you got to see
• 45:44
  what your depth pieces are. So I mean you got to go in and
• 45:48
  you got to see kind of who we're going to be able to put in
• 45:52
  because that's what what hurt us in the last couple of years was
• 45:55
  not having that death when one person went out or a certain
• 45:59
  person went out, you know that that that line crumbled.
• 46:01
  So or you know when when when Phil Darius Payne wasn't in, you
• 46:08
  know, it was, it was noticeable. You know when his his emergence
• 46:11
  came, the line went different. So you want to kind of find that
• 46:15
  early instead of, you know, and sometimes it does come later in
• 46:18
  the season, but if you can find that in the spring and then work
• 46:21
  on that all during the summer definitely helps.
• 46:24
  So with these guys, I think you know, we did bring in, you know,
• 46:29
  a couple of transfers and they well, you know it's going to
• 46:32
  play a lot of snaps for us. So you do want to see like how
• 46:34
  they move together. But it's always like a worry
• 46:37
  when you have the guys that are older guys that are going like
• 46:41
  do you want to see Peebles really play like you who kind of
• 46:45
  you know what he can do? Do you want to see him out
• 46:47
  there? You know, I don't know.
• 46:50
  Not for extended snaps. I think you want to kind of see
• 46:52
  him flash, get him some live reps against, you know, full
• 46:56
  speed competition. But I don't think you want to
• 46:59
  necessarily throw him out there for more than a quarter worth of
• 47:02
  snaps. I'm, I'm really interested to
• 47:06
  see what we get from Malachi Madison because I feel like we
• 47:10
  need to start seeing that fifth or sixth guy in the rotation
• 47:13
  knowing that you know a good number of the even the guys that
• 47:16
  we brought in in this cycle we're not going to have this
• 47:19
  time next year. So thinking long term, I I care
• 47:23
  about 2024, but I care. I also care about what we're
• 47:25
  going to look like in 2025 and 26 and getting a guy like
• 47:28
  Madison in there where he's kind of you know, showing what he can
• 47:32
  do. He can be a guy that can be a
• 47:34
  part of that rotation that that that one and two two group
• 47:37
  rotation. You know this time next year I
• 47:40
  think it's going to be important.
• 47:41
  So to me in spring game I'm looking for that five and six
• 47:44
  spot because I feel like you know one through 4 are pretty,
• 47:48
  pretty solid in terms of knowing what we can expect from them.
• 47:51
  I'd like to see Gilliam in in in some situations because I feel
• 47:54
  like he's probably got the least experience of the of the that
• 47:57
  first four. I'd like to see him get get some
• 48:00
  extra run and give him a few different looks against
• 48:03
  different offensive lineman there, but I think overall I
• 48:07
  want to see what that five and six guys look like in the
• 48:11
  rotation there. Yeah, you say that we already
• 48:13
  know Andrew Hanchuck that was mentioned that he will not play.
• 48:16
  He's nicked. He's already like scratched.
• 48:19
  Y'all. No prize feelings on that.
• 48:21
  Somebody slightly nicked. If they get nicked in the next
• 48:24
  few days, they they ain't playing.
• 48:26
  And I love that philosophy where I was more interested to see,
• 48:30
  especially with the new 4 because Brian, I think you're
• 48:32
  right, Kelvin Gilliam probably should be the transfer that
• 48:35
  plays the most because of his lack of time playing down at
• 48:39
  Oklahoma, so and. He's also the guy we have for
• 48:44
  the longest of that group, too. So yeah, it's.
• 48:46
  True, he's going to be here longer than well, him and
• 48:48
  Copeland are basically all the same.
• 48:49
  They got two years left. They can play this year next,
• 48:52
  but the bigger piece would what I wanted to see, we're probably
• 48:55
  not going to see it. I wanted to see how they rotate.
• 48:58
  I wanted to see who's in there with who do they let Fuga play
• 49:03
  someone or maybe even 0 because of who we have now right at
• 49:07
  three O 8. Do you say, listen, Gilliam's
• 49:10
  298 he can play over here to two, we can go to zero.
• 49:14
  We can run some different sets. I don't think we're going to see
• 49:16
  that because Brian, I think y'all are both right.
• 49:20
  I think Fuga, I think Copeland and I think people's, I think
• 49:29
  they're playing 1/4 and I don't think they're going to be on the
• 49:32
  field. And to Brian's point, who's five
• 49:34
  and six, is it Wilfred Penae, is it Malachi Madison?
• 49:37
  And then let Gilliam get in there and kind of be the lead
• 49:39
  dog. So I think just from this group
• 49:43
  it's I do want to see the cohesive unit.
• 49:45
  That's where I wanted that one. One where you had APR, Peebles,
• 49:50
  Fuga, because I do think Fuga is going to start just because of
• 49:53
  having that girth. And then Cole Nelson like to see
• 49:57
  that because of Sheldon's point returning production.
• 50:01
  And we have a very highly returning production line and
• 50:05
  we're dropping an all ACC defensive tackle right in the
• 50:08
  middle of it who produced last year.
• 50:11
  So couple things and we'll throw up here real quick.
• 50:15
  Big Mitch asked a question. Gunner is currently moved to the
• 50:18
  offensive line. He's moved to the offensive line
• 50:21
  very early in spring. And you know what?
• 50:24
  I'm going to put it up here for my buddy down to Miami.
• 50:26
  I want to see how they hold up against the run.
• 50:29
  So it'll be very interesting. All right, let's flip over.
• 50:33
  Let's talk about linebackers. Talk about the inside guys
• 50:38
  first, because, I mean, I mean, do y'all even want Bromfield to
• 50:44
  play? You hope he gets nicked tomorrow
• 50:45
  in practice and it's like, Nope, you ain't playing Saturday.
• 50:49
  Man, I'm I'm torn because I want to see him in action because, I
• 50:53
  mean with any transfer, I want to see those guys in action a
• 50:55
  little bit, especially guys that have played in different levels
• 51:01
  of competition. I kind of want to see how they
• 51:04
  acclimate, how they fit in, how quickly they're picking up the
• 51:06
  system, especially at a position like Mike Linebacker.
• 51:09
  By all accounts that I've heard, both direct and indirect, he's
• 51:14
  crushing it. So yeah, but I I'd love to see
• 51:17
  that in a live practice setting. Yeah, it's like spring game.
• 51:21
  Yeah, it's definitely like most guys that come in, if they're
• 51:24
  new to the team, you do want to see them in some kind of aspect.
• 51:27
  You know what I'm saying, 'cause you got to think like last year
• 51:30
  when we went, we had never seen Kyron live, you know what I
• 51:33
  mean? And so even though the spring
• 51:35
  game was like a piece of shit, you know as far as like who we
• 51:39
  had blocking for one. Like anybody who watch football.
• 51:42
  And again, you motherfuckers who don't listen.
• 51:46
  When we tried to tell you when we went and watched the game and
• 51:49
  we was like, yeah, yeah, that's what we expected.
• 51:51
  Like he got some juice and people was like, Oh no, he was
• 51:55
  doing this wrong. He was doing that right.
• 51:56
  I was like. Y'all start watching.
• 51:58
  He. I could have blocked better for
• 52:01
  him than they was blocking. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:03
  Like shit. And I got a bad Achilles and two
• 52:05
  bad knees. So hey, you do want to see him
• 52:09
  in some aspect just to see what they got when the lights turn
• 52:12
  on. So you know even if you don't
• 52:13
  get to see much like I'd like to see Brumfield and you know all
• 52:16
  of the new guys you want to see him at A at a just a little bit.
• 52:18
  But when I say something like you know like Tooton, like he's
• 52:21
  so valuable to our team and we've seen him on the team.
• 52:25
  Like I don't need to see nothing out of him.
• 52:27
  You know Kyra, like I I know that most people if you've got a
• 52:31
  non contact jersey on they'd like to see him spin it.
• 52:33
  But like we know what he can do. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:36
  Don't don't let him get touched. And and and that's it.
• 52:41
  You know, we don't want, we don't want anything to happen in
• 52:43
  the spring game. But you know, they don't want to
• 52:45
  get out there and they want to have some fun, man.
• 52:48
  And and another thing like even though it's not a full, you
• 52:52
  know, a full stadium, like those guys want to feel what Lane
• 52:58
  Stadium is, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:00
  So like they want to see what the live action is because you
• 53:03
  either you know, heard about it or you've seen it or you know
• 53:06
  they've been pumping noise to you or people who play, they've
• 53:08
  talked to you about it. So you want to give them some
• 53:10
  kind of taste of it because you know they they're going to be
• 53:13
  juiced, you know they're going to be juiced to to to be out
• 53:15
  there and perform in front of the the home, the home fans.
• 53:20
  But then also, you know, they just give you a Segway to go
• 53:23
  into the season. So I like to see them get a
• 53:26
  little bit of run. You know, I I don't want to
• 53:29
  bring up something that we brought up the last two off
• 53:31
  seasons, but you know the the presser happened today, you
• 53:35
  know, probably was talking about some folks and you know whose
• 53:36
  name came up, right? Whose name came up?
• 53:39
  Brian. Jayden Keller's name came up.
• 53:42
  Jayden Keller's crushing it guys.
• 53:45
  The the the difference that I'm hearing in this one though, is
• 53:48
  that and he he brought it up when he was talking about.
• 53:51
  He's like, he's always been a great practice player.
• 53:54
  He's starting to put it together in the scrimmages.
• 53:56
  He's starting to see consistency in the scrimmages and hopefully
• 54:01
  that translates to being more consistent in games come fall
• 54:07
  because you know we we've seen the potential there.
• 54:09
  We've seen you know, good athleticism, you know brings the
• 54:14
  lumber, but just hasn't always been a a very consistent player
• 54:18
  once he gets on the field. So we'll see if that translates
• 54:21
  this to. Let's go around.
• 54:23
  I think what, like one of our big problems that we've had, you
• 54:27
  know, at Virginia Tech for a long time is that like we didn't
• 54:30
  have, you know, the luxury of of letting players like develop,
• 54:34
  you know what I'm saying? Like when we got somebody and
• 54:36
  they had something like you got to fucking play, we don't, we
• 54:40
  don't have anybody else. You got to go play.
• 54:43
  So you know, sometimes we can have leadership in certain rooms
• 54:46
  or we didn't have like because all of them, they all may be.
• 54:49
  Dax played way too many. Dax played way too many snaps in
• 54:52
  2018. Right, right.
• 54:54
  You know what I mean? So just things like that.
• 54:56
  So I think with them bringing in certain players and then having
• 54:59
  a little bit of experience and things like that.
• 55:03
  And maybe it's more than football.
• 55:05
  Like you got to see how somebody attacks practice or how somebody
• 55:10
  you know goes out and then goes home and goes to bed and what
• 55:15
  time. Like you got to see people grow
• 55:17
  up and be men to know how to do that.
• 55:19
  And I'm not saying that's what, you know, Keller's problem may
• 55:22
  have been, but that's like that's what college athletes go
• 55:25
  through. So if you got everybody that's
• 55:27
  kind of at that same maturity level, then it's hard for them
• 55:32
  to progress. But like, if you go look at like
• 55:35
  our receiving room right now, you know what I'm saying?
• 55:37
  Like we got some receivers that have some experience so they're
• 55:40
  able to talk to the younger receivers about, you know,
• 55:44
  things you can do when you make a mistake or you know, coming
• 55:48
  out of your break this way or like I said, even after
• 55:51
  practice, you know, maybe you'll need to go play the game, maybe
• 55:54
  you need to go get in the in the cold tub or maybe you need to
• 55:56
  get in the hot tub. Just things like that.
• 55:58
  So I think having somebody like Brownfield come in because they
• 56:02
  talk about how like super smart he is just like off the field.
• 56:07
  So I'm sure like he's probably taking care of his body.
• 56:10
  He's like I think he may have like a four point O or something
• 56:12
  I got to go back and look at it but he's got you know they say
• 56:15
  he's super smart. So I'm sure he's telling that
• 56:17
  that linebacker room like this is what I do you know this is
• 56:21
  how I do it. So I'm hoping people follow that
• 56:24
  lead and and move forward. Because once, once I got named,
• 56:27
  that came in last year, the cornerback that left Shoot.
• 56:35
  He started. Yeah, what's his name?
• 56:38
  I just lost his name. I just.
• 56:40
  Lost Sheldon, You got anybody? Brian, you can't remember my
• 56:44
  guy, I got it came in last year. Went from Georgia.
• 56:48
  Yeah, it came from like Georgia Southern or something.
• 56:52
  Yeah, well, he. Canteen.
• 56:54
  Canteen. So yeah, like when you think
• 56:58
  about Canteen coming in, you know what I'm saying?
• 57:01
  Last year and everybody raved about how he, how he attacked
• 57:04
  practice and and how he was such a like have a pro mindset and
• 57:09
  then you go look at on the field like we had a lot of adversity,
• 57:12
  right. So we had a lot of adversity but
• 57:14
  we and we had a lot of young guys.
• 57:16
  But if you look at how they grew up, that's because they have
• 57:18
  some, you know, they have some leadership in front of them like
• 57:23
  Dorian Strong and Canteen, those guys.
• 57:26
  And then like Monsoor, he's young.
• 57:29
  You know, he played great, but he was young.
• 57:31
  So, you know, Canteen came in and he was able to to help just
• 57:35
  like lift the floor of that room.
• 57:37
  So I think that's what you want when you bring in those older
• 57:40
  guys. Yeah, a. 100%, I think.
• 57:42
  Thank y'all chat. Thank y'all chat for for letting
• 57:44
  me know. Look at our look at our Miami
• 57:46
  guy hopping in that. Even knows him, even though he
• 57:49
  even knows him. But I think the other thing
• 57:52
  about the Broomfield pieces, what it's going to do to help
• 57:55
  the other positions, because we know like Caleb Woodson's
• 57:57
  playing some Will. We know we've got McDonald
• 57:59
  playing Will. Obviously, the way Pry has
• 58:02
  mentioned it, Keller's playing Will.
• 58:05
  And to have a guy who knows exactly what's going to go on on
• 58:09
  every play where everybody's supposed to be every single
• 58:12
  time, that's what we were missing last year.
• 58:15
  It was like if we could roll reverse and have we got a red
• 58:18
  shirted Dax, Dax in 2022, that defense, which was good last
• 58:22
  year, would have even taken another step.
• 58:24
  So it's interesting to see how they like you're saying tally
• 58:27
  what you're saying, Ron, how a guy with that much experience
• 58:32
  who's doing all the right stuff not only off the field but
• 58:35
  making the right calls on the field, how much more confidence
• 58:39
  that can come. Now I'm going to flip to the
• 58:41
  outside position because with Star, you know there's Jenkins,
• 58:45
  but the way the room set up with guys like Gabe Williams, with
• 58:49
  Caleb Woodson going inside, I think Starr's going to be the
• 58:52
  most fascinating position potentially to watch on the
• 58:54
  defensive side of the ball because Jenkins is going to
• 59:00
  play. But I think some of those
• 59:03
  younger guys are going to steal more snaps from him this year.
• 59:06
  And I don't know if it's going to be Gabe because we heard from
• 59:09
  Robbie just last last week. Gabe was out there running with
• 59:12
  ones. Gabe was out there running with
• 59:15
  the ones as a true freshman. So, and I know that could just
• 59:20
  be. You know what?
• 59:21
  It's well Jenkins was next. So I mean he was next man up in
• 59:23
  this case because Woodson's been working some inside.
• 59:26
  So you know, but I I think it's going to be good to see who's
• 59:31
  working at that position not named Jenkins, whether you know
• 59:35
  is you know Woodson still some star some some Will is Gabe kind
• 59:40
  of the first man up. You know I know I know Gabe from
• 59:43
  a talent standpoint I think is ready, I think maybe from a
• 59:47
  physical build maybe isn't quite ready for you know first team or
• 59:52
  kind of first guy up reps. So we'll we'll see if he
• 59:55
  develops into that. I just want to see him out
• 59:58
  there. Yeah, a lot of times it don't
• 1:00:00
  matter if you're ready or not, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:01
  When it deals with with football or even you know, a team that's
• 1:00:05
  up and coming like we are because of you think like most
• 1:00:10
  Phillips, right? Was he ready?
• 1:00:12
  We don't know. He looked like he was, but his
• 1:00:14
  body looked like it was. But like somebody's going to get
• 1:00:17
  nicked, you know, and that's one of it.
• 1:00:18
  That's been one of Jenkins things like he he's had, you
• 1:00:21
  know, injury problems that may not keep him out a long time.
• 1:00:25
  Like I don't think he's had like super big injuries, but he's had
• 1:00:27
  those nagging injuries and things like that.
• 1:00:30
  So we got to find somebody to go in behind him, so.
• 1:00:33
  He's gotten nicked there in games where he's missed 1/4.
• 1:00:36
  Right. What you don't need is like you
• 1:00:39
  again, This year's that perfect year, like the young guy, hey,
• 1:00:41
  listen, he, he just got nicked. You got to play the whole second
• 1:00:44
  quarter and you've got to be ready to play and this is a
• 1:00:47
  very, you know, big position for us.
• 1:00:49
  Put up Leroy, put up Leroy's statement.
• 1:00:51
  Right, Leroy, because we're going to go to that room.
• 1:00:54
  Sheldon, anything on the linebacker room you're looking
• 1:00:56
  for this week? I know we've been talking.
• 1:00:58
  Sheldon's been there calmly, you know, fine and canteen thing.
• 1:01:01
  Anything you're looking for in that room?
• 1:01:04
  I mean, just to see how Brumfield plays, like I was, I
• 1:01:07
  was watching this interview on the The Hocus Sports YouTube
• 1:01:10
  channel and that dude is just absolutely jacked, man.
• 1:01:13
  Like I cannot. Wait to have.
• 1:01:15
  Cannot wait to have that size and he you know he seems he
• 1:01:18
  seems like a really good dude too just you know has just has
• 1:01:21
  has his mind right and seems like he you know is a really
• 1:01:25
  good team player. So I just, I can't wait to see,
• 1:01:27
  you know, him kind of where he kind of fits in and just, you
• 1:01:29
  know, to have someone who can make plays and you know, play
• 1:01:32
  with, you know, with their with their heels, you know, going
• 1:01:36
  forward, I guess for lack of a better term.
• 1:01:37
  And just you know, with an edge and not, you know, always always
• 1:01:40
  put on the heels like that's something that the Steinbecker
• 1:01:42
  really needs. So I'm looking to see how it
• 1:01:44
  kind of fits in there. Yeah, and just just so like
• 1:01:46
  Tyler, you were asking. There's tape out there on
• 1:01:50
  Bromfield. They played against Alabama and
• 1:01:51
  Missouri last year. He had 10 tackles in those
• 1:01:54
  games. He had a forced fumble, 2
• 1:01:56
  tackles for loss in a sack. So he's played against the
• 1:01:59
  league competition and you know somebody will say, well, he got
• 1:02:01
  his stuff late, he got all like, I don't care because even if
• 1:02:05
  you're playing the third stringers against those teams,
• 1:02:06
  you're playing against good competition.
• 1:02:08
  So that'll be interesting to see.
• 1:02:10
  Let's flip it over. We already had the man mention
• 1:02:12
  that Leroy mentioned it down here about Moss Phillips, the
• 1:02:15
  defensive backroom and and the safety.
• 1:02:19
  A lot of competition in there, man.
• 1:02:22
  A lot of competition in in those rooms, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:25
  So, oh, 100% the reason we brought Mos Phillips name up.
• 1:02:28
  I mean, it's kind of like we seen him in the in the spring
• 1:02:32
  game last year, right? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:34
  It's like, damn, you know, it's going to be some BMF awards.
• 1:02:37
  But you like, you look at him, he wasn't like, you know,
• 1:02:41
  abnormally big. Like we've seen some people.
• 1:02:43
  But at the same time, like, he was well built for a freshman to
• 1:02:47
  think about, oh, he's supposed to be in high school, but he's
• 1:02:49
  already playing and he was thumping like he was hitting.
• 1:02:52
  So we knew like, Oh well, he might get some run on.
• 1:02:55
  I think if we go back, I had to go back and look at the tape I
• 1:02:57
  think we talk about. But he probably would be a good,
• 1:02:59
  you know, special teams player, get some snaps like that, but
• 1:03:03
  somebody gets hurt you the next man up.
• 1:03:06
  And then he went in, yeah, he went in and he played, you know,
• 1:03:09
  he played Admirable for what? For for the age that he is.
• 1:03:15
  So yeah, seeing him again, you know, watching a little film on
• 1:03:18
  him and seeing like his growth and stuff like that, like Lee,
• 1:03:21
  Ron, I'm with you. I believe he is ready and we
• 1:03:24
  need all that, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:26
  Because Iron's got a sharpened iron, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:28
  And and somebody's going to get nicked, somebody's going to turn
• 1:03:31
  their ankle. Now I don't want any of these
• 1:03:32
  kids to get hurt, but it's football.
• 1:03:34
  Somebody's going, you know, get their hand smashed in the hell
• 1:03:37
  and have to come out. So that one play, it's usually
• 1:03:40
  the play that we get gashed or we get, you know, a bomb thrown
• 1:03:44
  on us because we have to throw somebody in there that's not
• 1:03:46
  ready to go. So if you got that next man up
• 1:03:48
  that goes in there and plays sometimes, that's how you get
• 1:03:50
  your spot. Yep.
• 1:03:52
  And I think we're looking at, you know you you talked about
• 1:03:56
  most Phillips last year. I think we're looking at
• 1:03:58
  back-to-back years of true freshman safeties coming in and
• 1:04:02
  being contributors in year 1 Phillips last year.
• 1:04:06
  I think you go ahead and and Mark Quinn reddish in that in
• 1:04:09
  that bucket and I I think we're going to see a lot of him in the
• 1:04:13
  spring game and I think we're going to see probably more than
• 1:04:15
  a lot of people expected of him come the fall.
• 1:04:20
  I know it's a position that we aren't we're we're we're getting
• 1:04:24
  more depth there but it's still a very young position outside of
• 1:04:26
  one or two guys or at least inexperienced when you think
• 1:04:30
  about a guy like Jalen Jones that's only been playing the
• 1:04:32
  position for one year. So but a lot of competition for
• 1:04:36
  those, you know that too deep rotation and you know you got
• 1:04:39
  you got about six guys now that are going to I think be heavy in
• 1:04:41
  that competition leading up to the start of the season.
• 1:04:44
  So I'm interested to see some of these younger guys get out there
• 1:04:48
  and show us what they can do in the spring game.
• 1:04:50
  Showing anything on the safety room other than, I mean, I think
• 1:04:54
  we're going to see a, it's going to be a lot of safeties on the
• 1:04:57
  field. I don't think even most is going
• 1:04:58
  to get a lot of rest. Yeah, I mean, they played a ton
• 1:05:02
  of guys last year at that spot. I know partly due to injuries
• 1:05:05
  and you know, guys getting ejected like Woodson, Stroman,
• 1:05:08
  Jones, Phillips, Jenkins. People, that's one thing we know
• 1:05:13
  about Stroman. He get dejected it.
• 1:05:16
  Will it will continue to happen. So they played, I mean they
• 1:05:19
  probably played like six or seven guys like you know over
• 1:05:21
  100 snaps there. They did not add any any
• 1:05:25
  safeties via the transfer portal.
• 1:05:27
  So it seems like Pride and his staff are kind of you know,
• 1:05:29
  betting on some of those younger guys stepping up and you know
• 1:05:32
  obviously with with with Jenkins and Sherman kind of leading the
• 1:05:38
  way that's, you know, that's a good thing.
• 1:05:39
  So I mean it seems like they're counting on on that room to kind
• 1:05:42
  of be you know take the next leap.
• 1:05:44
  And so I'm a trusted staff and hope they can do that.
• 1:05:46
  So I think, I guess we can, it'll be a little bit of a of a
• 1:05:48
  precursor that we'll see if they can step up.
• 1:05:51
  Absolutely freaking Lutely. All right, let's go.
• 1:05:53
  Just real quick. Corner room, strong, delaying.
• 1:05:56
  We know that's locked down. I I think what we've seen it's
• 1:06:01
  it's going to be Lovett, Johnson and who's the 3rd that comes out
• 1:06:06
  of there. Do y'all have anybody because
• 1:06:07
  Lovin and Johnson are going to play.
• 1:06:09
  They played last year and and we'll take a phrase that tally
• 1:06:13
  said they played admirably last year to be a true freshman.
• 1:06:17
  They both played very admirably. But obviously you want that 5th
• 1:06:22
  and 6th because what it is, is when you go to nickel, we know
• 1:06:27
  Dorian is likely going to slide. We want more than just one guy.
• 1:06:31
  So who? Who is it?
• 1:06:34
  What's the name that come come Monday or come Sunday afternoon?
• 1:06:40
  Because Tally and me will probably watch it later in the
• 1:06:42
  day. Sheldon's gonna probably watch
• 1:06:44
  it in San Antonio late night. What's the one name we're going
• 1:06:48
  to say that kids will get a ton of snaps this year?
• 1:06:53
  Corner I don't know. I I.
• 1:06:56
  I don't even have an answer. Brian, who you thinking?
• 1:06:59
  You know what? I'm going dark horse here, and
• 1:07:01
  I'm keeping it consistent in the secondary with true freshmen
• 1:07:04
  coming in and making a little bit of noise.
• 1:07:07
  I think we're going to see more of Joshua Clark than I think a
• 1:07:09
  lot of people think all. Right.
• 1:07:13
  John, you got any feelings on this?
• 1:07:17
  Maybe Dante Lovett? All right.
• 1:07:21
  Don't we think Love would say it's?
• 1:07:24
  It's really tough to shy away from Clark because of the build,
• 1:07:27
  but I'd say keep an eye on Jonathan Pennix.
• 1:07:30
  Keep an eye on Jonathan Pennix because I think that room I
• 1:07:35
  think there's after spring. I think at least one corners
• 1:07:39
  leaving, just like I think there's at least one safety
• 1:07:42
  leaving at the end of spring because that.
• 1:07:45
  Other guy to keep an eye on probably is going to be
• 1:07:47
  Christian Williams. I mean, I know they said he was
• 1:07:49
  Nick, but Pry said he should be ready to go for the spring game,
• 1:07:53
  so. And see that's and that's and
• 1:07:56
  that is the now. Now I'm going to say why, why I
• 1:07:58
  like prize system? Because with doing this, those
• 1:08:04
  guys are going to get so much playing time, so much playing
• 1:08:08
  time this week because Dorian and all the guys we know that
• 1:08:12
  can play, they're off the field. Yeah, you're you're already
• 1:08:15
  splitting your your number one and #2 and then you take away
• 1:08:18
  the fact they're probably only going to play for one quarter
• 1:08:20
  Max. So those young guys are going to
• 1:08:22
  get a lot of run. I'm excited to see it.
• 1:08:25
  All righty. So that closes out the defense.
• 1:08:28
  Now let's go to the offensive side of the football, where
• 1:08:31
  Kelly's already stated everything he wants to stayed on
• 1:08:33
  three of the four position rooms.
• 1:08:34
  I know what he's going to say at the offensive line, but I'll let
• 1:08:36
  him get that in in a minute. Quarterback room, we know it's
• 1:08:41
  going to be no contact. And to me, after Coward Places
• 1:08:47
  two series, Pop and Dylan, somebody got show out because
• 1:08:56
  these guys are the same class, they're the same age, they both
• 1:08:59
  read charity last year. Whoever pops is going to be the
• 1:09:04
  backup. No pun intended.
• 1:09:07
  Oh, Alvin said. No, he he said the name already.
• 1:09:10
  So perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:14
  I mean, that's what it is. Go go ahead, bro.
• 1:09:16
  I was just going to say that, you know, it's from from what it
• 1:09:19
  sounds like, from what Pride was saying at the press earlier
• 1:09:21
  today. You know, Wiki probably a little
• 1:09:24
  bit better grasp with the system at the start of spring.
• 1:09:26
  But it seems like Pop is kind of past him in terms of the
• 1:09:29
  day-to-day production, what he's done in the scrimmages.
• 1:09:33
  You know, we saw him you know throw a throw a few darts last
• 1:09:36
  year. He he's he's really fast too.
• 1:09:40
  He, he runs really well. So it looks like he's put on a
• 1:09:44
  little bit more weight compared to where he was as a true
• 1:09:47
  freshman. So I'm looking forward to seeing
• 1:09:49
  what he's what he's going to bring to the table.
• 1:09:52
  I feel like he is going to be I think he's going to win the back
• 1:09:56
  of battle. I think Wiki's going to be still
• 1:09:59
  a guy that's going to be in the mix but does he stay through
• 1:10:03
  fall But I I it's it's hard to I think he stays I think he stays
• 1:10:07
  I I don't it's it's hard to it's hard to say I I don't think we
• 1:10:12
  can afford him to leave just because we don't have that many
• 1:10:14
  scholarship quarterbacks on the roster if we had one more
• 1:10:19
  scholarship quarterback on the roster but I I you know.
• 1:10:21
  You got Dobby coming in, yeah. Dobby's coming in in the summer,
• 1:10:24
  so. Yeah, you do.
• 1:10:27
  Brian's like that. Ain't that ain't enough.
• 1:10:29
  I won't. But I I I don't necessarily know
• 1:10:31
  if I want a true freshman in a month and 1/2 into his his
• 1:10:36
  tenure being your your #3. Yeah, I understand.
• 1:10:40
  That's just me. Yeah, I don't think he leaves
• 1:10:44
  after like a spring, you know what I mean?
• 1:10:46
  What, You never know. Transfer portal stuff now, man.
• 1:10:49
  You never know. You never know what's happening,
• 1:10:51
  what people are thinking. But Pop's going to be the
• 1:10:54
  backup. I mean, he's got a little bit of
• 1:10:57
  umph to him that's a little bit different than any of the other
• 1:11:02
  backup quarterbacks. But that's just what that's just
• 1:11:05
  what I'm looking at it, what I'm seeing.
• 1:11:07
  But it's so hard to see. It's so hard to.
• 1:11:12
  Again, it's still similar to kind of what we seen with Kyra
• 1:11:15
  last year and you got to be careful with your quarterbacks.
• 1:11:19
  But like Pop has something that's a little different that
• 1:11:23
  you can't really see in a spring game or you can't really see
• 1:11:26
  100% in practice. Yeah, until it's, you know what
• 1:11:30
  I'm saying? Until it's full speed.
• 1:11:32
  So because he might break a run, he might go for, you know, a 60
• 1:11:37
  yard run because he's so quick. He's so elusive.
• 1:11:39
  But you know you, you may, you're not going to get to see
• 1:11:42
  that because of the format of the game.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah. And I mean, I will say they
• 1:11:47
  they've been talked about in spring.
• 1:11:48
  They've taken the orange jerseys off the quarterbacks for, you
• 1:11:51
  know, parts of practice, parts of scrimmages.
• 1:11:54
  So I wonder if they do that with Pop and Wiki in this situation
• 1:11:59
  to kind of get a full feel of of what they can get in that type
• 1:12:03
  of format. Yeah, Sheldon, anything to add?
• 1:12:09
  Not really, man. I mean, I think Pop's got to put
• 1:12:11
  him some weight, but. That's true.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah, that's my biggest thing man.
• 1:12:15
  He's that frame is not going to cut it in.
• 1:12:17
  The ACCI will say that so. Pop, pop, pop.
• 1:12:21
  Just nothing but protein, right? Nothing but protein at the at
• 1:12:25
  the Health Center. Like here's a steak own
• 1:12:26
  franchise. No, you need another steak.
• 1:12:28
  Keep eating. All right, let's flip it here,
• 1:12:30
  because I think this is going to be one of the more intriguing
• 1:12:35
  rooms to watch. And that's going to be the
• 1:12:36
  offensive line, because Brian, I I know Brian follows it closely.
• 1:12:42
  It's something that you know, playing it for years tally you
• 1:12:45
  as well. But let me hear right now and I
• 1:12:49
  got to go off camera for just a second.
• 1:12:51
  But who is Y'all's eight man rotation?
• 1:13:00
  Tally you lead on this one. I mean, I don't care about an 8
• 1:13:04
  man. I just need to know if the
• 1:13:06
  people who have been here can do their job.
• 1:13:10
  If Parker Clemens is still here and he ain't started working at
• 1:13:13
  Rural King yet, can he block somebody in front of him?
• 1:13:18
  If Bob Schick is still on the on the team, can he not look like
• 1:13:24
  Bob Schitt? That's all I'm saying.
• 1:13:27
  The eight man rotation. I don't know what it's going to
• 1:13:30
  be. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:31
  I still feel like we need another trans for transfer
• 1:13:36
  offensive lineman, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:38
  But I don't know, I don't know. I don't know where they're going
• 1:13:41
  to go because I know they move people around.
• 1:13:43
  I know Crooks, you know, he's got his hands full.
• 1:13:45
  We're trying to plug things. But you know you'll see the
• 1:13:48
  Moore brothers and you probably see Parker and I'm hoping that
• 1:13:53
  Cunningham's throwing it now and he going to see shit too.
• 1:13:57
  But you know, you got a lot of young guys that I just don't
• 1:14:00
  know what they have yet because, you know, offers are all.
• 1:14:02
  I ain't even mentioned. I ain't even mentioned Chaplin,
• 1:14:07
  you know what I'm saying? So I think I just named six
• 1:14:10
  there. But you got to have that depth,
• 1:14:13
  but you want those top guys to produce, You know what I'm
• 1:14:17
  saying? If they're going to start or if
• 1:14:18
  they're going to be, you know, whatever you call it, this all
• 1:14:23
  practice player, I just want you to get in a game.
• 1:14:26
  Yeah, you block. That's what I want to see you
• 1:14:28
  do. And it's not like I understand
• 1:14:31
  blocking is hard. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:32
  I ain't saying like anybody can just get out there and do it.
• 1:14:34
  But if you're if you if you're consistently doing it in
• 1:14:39
  practice or you consistently, you know what I'm saying, doing
• 1:14:42
  the right things or if I can see you do the right thing one or
• 1:14:45
  two times, it's like that third time what what were you thinking
• 1:14:49
  here? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:50
  Your feet were so perfect on these couple of plays.
• 1:14:52
  But then we go to this pivotal down and it's a mental thing
• 1:14:57
  where you jump offsides or it's a mental thing where you taking
• 1:15:00
  false steps and things like that.
• 1:15:01
  So more than seeing like a more than seeing the eight man
• 1:15:08
  rotation, like I'm I'm looking at more like what are we doing
• 1:15:12
  pre snaps and what are we doing you know stepwise and things
• 1:15:15
  like that for the people who's already been here.
• 1:15:18
  And I know that Crook will be seeing the most of that, most of
• 1:15:20
  the other stuff and he'll work that out, you know what I'm
• 1:15:23
  saying? Because my, like, I got personal
• 1:15:25
  vendettas against some people on that line, you know?
• 1:15:29
  What I'm saying oh. Man, I got PTSD from some people
• 1:15:32
  on that line, man. If I ever see an offensive
• 1:15:35
  lineman and I can see his spikes pointed up to the sky, I don't
• 1:15:39
  ever want to see him on the field again.
• 1:15:41
  And I've seen a couple of people spikes to the sky.
• 1:15:44
  This is not a porno. Get your legs down.
• 1:15:50
  Curtis coming back Like where? How the hell did we get here?
• 1:15:55
  But as soon as I heard that, I know who he's talking about.
• 1:15:58
  So. All right.
• 1:15:58
  That's fair. That's fair.
• 1:15:59
  That's fair, right. I mean so you know we got
• 1:16:02
  Chaplain, we got the Moore brothers, we got Parker, we got
• 1:16:05
  Schick. We know whether whether they're
• 1:16:08
  start, whether they're starting or or not, those those are going
• 1:16:11
  to be, they're going to be in the mix.
• 1:16:14
  We still got to talk about Brody Meadows and Montavious
• 1:16:17
  Cunningham. So that's just seven.
• 1:16:19
  Where's 7? So let, let, let Johnny Garrett
• 1:16:24
  maybe 8, maybe 8 maybe 8. You know who else could we throw
• 1:16:29
  in there Probably Lathe Ganam. Yeah, lathe Ganam.
• 1:16:33
  There's been some talk about him.
• 1:16:35
  You know, the other the other kind of wild card would be what?
• 1:16:38
  What's what's Hans Hammer's development looking like?
• 1:16:41
  He's he's definitely got the meal.
• 1:16:43
  I hope you're good. That's a fucking good ass name.
• 1:16:47
  Like you got to be good like that sounds like a a wrestler
• 1:16:50
  name or something. It does, but it's it's so many
• 1:16:54
  of the guys that's come in the last few years, where do they
• 1:16:56
  step up to? Because y'all mention Brody.
• 1:16:59
  We mentioned Johnny who were a few years, but now you the The
• 1:17:02
  Gunner move and the Lamar Law move.
• 1:17:05
  Over. How do they play?
• 1:17:07
  Does it click for them over there where it didn't click on
• 1:17:10
  the defensive line and they're still, you know, the red shirt
• 1:17:13
  sophomores, Both of them. They still got three years left.
• 1:17:16
  It's still a chance, but. And I mean offensive line is one
• 1:17:22
  of those positions where if you're not starting your your
• 1:17:26
  second or third year on campus that you don't need to panic
• 1:17:29
  about whether that player is going to develop.
• 1:17:31
  Because a lot of times it takes two to three years for an
• 1:17:35
  offensive lineman to fully develop and and get to where
• 1:17:39
  they're going to be a consistent player for you.
• 1:17:40
  So nobody really hit the panic button on any of these young
• 1:17:44
  guys yet. And you know hopefully, you know
• 1:17:48
  a lot of them start getting cause for a lot of them it's
• 1:17:51
  just going to take getting on the field and getting the reps
• 1:17:53
  that that that's so much of of that puzzle.
• 1:17:57
  Because until you get those reps against live competition in real
• 1:18:00
  games, you know, sometimes it just doesn't doesn't happen for
• 1:18:04
  you. So getting opportunities in
• 1:18:06
  things like the spring game is going to be good for them.
• 1:18:09
  Now there were There is one scary thing that that I think we
• 1:18:12
  all are going I'm going to be glued to when I get a chance to
• 1:18:14
  watch a game. Who is the second person
• 1:18:17
  snapping the ball? Yeah.
• 1:18:21
  There's been no there has been and I'm going to have to get on.
• 1:18:26
  David Cunningham is going to be probably joining us next week at
• 1:18:29
  least. We're trying to get him on.
• 1:18:31
  There is no one has asked Pride or any of the coaches.
• 1:18:35
  That, and the only person that we saw snap a ball last year
• 1:18:39
  other than Kaden Moore was Jack Hollyfield.
• 1:18:42
  And he's gone. Yeah, it is.
• 1:18:45
  So we have one center that's that's scary time.
• 1:18:52
  So it's going to be interesting when that comes out.
• 1:18:54
  I don't know if it'll be Friday night.
• 1:18:56
  Saturday morning, Who's the center on opposite Kaden Moore.
• 1:19:01
  Yeah, because that's a good question.
• 1:19:05
  But I. But overall, I think the
• 1:19:07
  offensive line, where this offensive line was in 2022 to
• 1:19:10
  where it is now, God, we mentioned 7-8 guys that we feel
• 1:19:14
  like, OK, they can at least play.
• 1:19:17
  They might occasionally get their spikes up and tally's
• 1:19:20
  going to be throwing things at the TV, but they also they can
• 1:19:24
  play. It's it's not like you're
• 1:19:25
  sitting over here like like this guy doesn't even deserve the
• 1:19:28
  field. It's so, yeah.
• 1:19:32
  Anything else you want to talk about on the offensive line?
• 1:19:37
  This block, that's all I want to see you do.
• 1:19:40
  Hold hands like you planned, Red Rover, if you got to and don't
• 1:19:45
  let somebody just push you down, do something.
• 1:19:50
  We was looking rough last year, man.
• 1:19:52
  Jesus Christ. We was getting flipped around,
• 1:19:53
  turned around, slapped up, flipped.
• 1:19:56
  Rub it down, Sheldon. That's what was happening.
• 1:20:01
  And somehow still better. Than I'm talking, I'm talking
• 1:20:03
  about in the spring game. I'm just talking about like all
• 1:20:06
  through the season. I'm just talking about spring
• 1:20:08
  game. But, but that, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:10
  during the season they got better.
• 1:20:12
  But Sheldon, to your point, from what, 365 days ago, Sheldon this
• 1:20:18
  The offensive line did get better.
• 1:20:20
  That's a testament to where it was.
• 1:20:23
  I don't feel the same degree of panic that I felt last year, and
• 1:20:26
  I definitely don't feel the same degree of panic I felt going
• 1:20:29
  into the first spring game. So brown we're.
• 1:20:31
  We're taking the. Spring game.
• 1:20:33
  Brown was sitting by mid the spring game.
• 1:20:34
  He's like we ain't going to see nothing.
• 1:20:37
  We can't. We can't see nothing.
• 1:20:39
  Look at him. Look at him.
• 1:20:42
  They was. I think that offensive line was
• 1:20:44
  blocking each other. Yeah, I'm like, man, come on it.
• 1:20:48
  Will snap. It will snap and two and touch
• 1:20:51
  Kyra. That's that's what we're saying.
• 1:20:53
  I was like, come on man, I just want to see, give, give, give
• 1:20:56
  me, give me 4 seconds. I just want to see 4 seconds or
• 1:20:59
  something. But yeah, dog, to Shelton's
• 1:21:01
  point though, you know, I'm joking and and and ragging on
• 1:21:04
  the offensive line during the season, of course, I mean we we
• 1:21:08
  sat on here plenty of times like they did get better.
• 1:21:10
  Now that's a testament. You know, the play column was a
• 1:21:14
  little bit different, but you know when you get some, when you
• 1:21:17
  get some confidence and you got a signal caller, it's got some
• 1:21:19
  confidence. I I think it gives your
• 1:21:21
  offensive line a little bit of confidence as well.
• 1:21:23
  So I'll be fired up for the boys, man.
• 1:21:26
  Let the Hogs go out here and do a little dancing.
• 1:21:27
  Maybe we'll do a a UVA tackle pass or something.
• 1:21:31
  Let somebody let somebody dive in the end zone.
• 1:21:34
  I don't know. Give Parker his booming in the
• 1:21:37
  sun. Yeah, all.
• 1:21:40
  Right, I'm going. To this Ain't that play right
• 1:21:41
  right around. Looks like I've lost in it.
• 1:21:45
  All right, just so y'all know, the dog is in here with me.
• 1:21:47
  She is being a something tonight.
• 1:21:49
  So you will hear barking for the remainder of this program,
• 1:21:52
  likely running backroom. Can I just say this is what I
• 1:21:56
  want to see? Because I don't know what tune
• 1:21:58
  is. We know what Thomas is.
• 1:22:00
  We have rave. We've heard their rave about
• 1:22:02
  Jeremiah Kony since the day he stepped on.
• 1:22:05
  I want to see him make some plays from the backfield, and
• 1:22:11
  why do I want to see him make plays?
• 1:22:12
  I want to see competition. I want Malachi Thomas to have to
• 1:22:15
  think he's coming for for for for the number two spot.
• 1:22:21
  He's coming. Yeah, well, The thing is too.
• 1:22:23
  And even when you say like, we know what Malachi Thomas is, we
• 1:22:26
  really don't like everything that we've seen other than he's
• 1:22:29
  been hurt most of the time. You know, we've seen him, we've
• 1:22:31
  seen him produce a little bit, but he's got hurt a lot.
• 1:22:34
  So I mean he's got a lot to prove this year.
• 1:22:37
  You know, if he's wanting to go forward and when two leaves,
• 1:22:40
  take that number one spot. So let's see.
• 1:22:44
  We've heard a lot about Tyler Mason as well though, you know
• 1:22:47
  the the, the true freshman. So let's see what he got.
• 1:22:52
  Yeah, I want to see a lot of Coney and Mason.
• 1:22:55
  I think that that's that's what I really want to see in the
• 1:22:57
  spring game. Give me a good run of Thomas.
• 1:23:00
  I think just, you know, give him some run.
• 1:23:03
  I don't think we're going to see Tooten very much at all.
• 1:23:06
  We know we got with Tooten. Let me see a little bit of
• 1:23:08
  Thomas. Let me see a whole lot of Coney
• 1:23:10
  and a whole lot of Mason. Yep, Sheldon, anything to add on
• 1:23:14
  top of that? Nope.
• 1:23:17
  I think. I think we're pretty sure.
• 1:23:18
  I kind of forgot that Malcott Thomas existed, honestly.
• 1:23:21
  Oops. Yeah, we'll we'll see if we can
• 1:23:25
  do something. Well, we're going.
• 1:23:28
  We're going to see. We're going to.
• 1:23:29
  See, you're going to miss. You're going to miss.
• 1:23:30
  Bryce, Duke. Brian.
• 1:23:34
  You know, I I don't think so With Mason coming out.
• 1:23:39
  I don't think so. With Mason coming in.
• 1:23:42
  I think Mason can do everything that that he could do and then a
• 1:23:45
  little bit more. I didn't see that she does.
• 1:23:51
  She's a dog all right. Tight end room we know is beat
• 1:23:54
  all to hell. Gallo recovering.
• 1:23:56
  Gosnell recovering. I mean we saw I saw Saint
• 1:24:02
  Germain play solid up in up in a rain soak game up in at Navy.
• 1:24:08
  He's going to get run. When was going to get run.
• 1:24:11
  I mean from the reports that I've seen and heard they say
• 1:24:15
  he's looking good so they saying he's ready to take the next
• 1:24:18
  step. But of course it's all hearsay.
• 1:24:20
  But we've seen him in the game too.
• 1:24:22
  You know what I'm saying? We've seen him get some run and
• 1:24:24
  and and we've seen him do some things.
• 1:24:26
  So I'd like to I'd like to see what what step he takes.
• 1:24:29
  But the the thing with the tight end room is like you said, you
• 1:24:33
  know, and Gallo is, is coming off an injury and Benji, you
• 1:24:39
  know, has kind of had some injury problems as well.
• 1:24:42
  So if you got Saint Germain, who comes in behind him, you know, I
• 1:24:46
  guess that's where The thing is because if those guys aren't,
• 1:24:51
  you know, their full potential, who do you have behind him?
• 1:24:56
  That's, that's where you you. I don't want to say worry, but
• 1:25:00
  that's what you want to see. I guess that's what the spring
• 1:25:02
  game's for, to see who that other tight end is.
• 1:25:05
  I want to see a whole lot of Zeke Winbush.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah, yeah. Heard some good stuff about
• 1:25:11
  Zeke. I feel like you know, you know
• 1:25:13
  when we look at taking up some of the type of play calls and
• 1:25:20
  position that that Daquan Wright was able to slide into, I feel
• 1:25:23
  like his skill set fits that role best of of the guys that we
• 1:25:27
  have coming back especially you know when you look at the guys
• 1:25:31
  that are banged up right now. So it's going to be good.
• 1:25:34
  It's kind of getting a whole big, big dose of him in the in
• 1:25:38
  the spring game and so I'm going to look and see what he can do
• 1:25:40
  and see if he's ready to go to fill in that.
• 1:25:42
  Role. But I hate that.
• 1:25:44
  I hate that Daquan, right, left. I hate that.
• 1:25:48
  I mean, I I really like what he brought.
• 1:25:50
  And and you know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:51
  I guess for me kind of got spoiled because you were from
• 1:25:53
  like, you know, James Mitchell, then Daquan, right.
• 1:25:56
  So you had a little bit of a playmaker at tight end in those
• 1:26:00
  guys in those years. But no disrespect to Gallo,
• 1:26:06
  Gallo does his job, but it's just a different type of tight
• 1:26:08
  end. So if he's full go, you know
• 1:26:10
  what I'm saying, He just gives you something a little bit
• 1:26:11
  different. And I think that if you look at
• 1:26:14
  like, you know a lot of the NFL teams that are winning, like
• 1:26:17
  they have a like a hybrid tight end, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:21
  I think that's kind of the wave of the, the new wave of what the
• 1:26:24
  tight end position evolves to. So I'm interested to see which
• 1:26:29
  one of these guys, and I mean I've seen a little bit of that
• 1:26:31
  from Benji, you know, and and and Saint Germain a little bit,
• 1:26:34
  but more Benji than Saint Germain.
• 1:26:36
  So I'm interested to see that. Yeah, they both have some of
• 1:26:38
  that. But I think Wimbush fits more of
• 1:26:41
  that mold in terms of just being an athlete, kind of a big wide
• 1:26:46
  receiver that can slide inside and and and block a little bit
• 1:26:49
  too. All righty.
• 1:26:52
  We got one last room to hit and I think, I I think we wrote it
• 1:26:57
  this way because this is the most interesting room from a
• 1:27:01
  perspective of with the wide receiver room is the big four.
• 1:27:07
  We we know what they can do. We know what all four of them
• 1:27:10
  can do. And we go into this season
• 1:27:14
  looking for, obviously you want five and six, heck, you want 7.
• 1:27:18
  But this is also a year where who's going to be the guys next
• 1:27:23
  spring that are taking the passes?
• 1:27:25
  Sheldon, just looking at the wide receiver room, take out the
• 1:27:28
  big four, take out Jay Lane, take out Quan Felton, take out
• 1:27:32
  Ollie Jennings and take out Stephen Gosnell.
• 1:27:34
  The only one we won't see Saturday is Stephen.
• 1:27:37
  The other three, I think Dallas Point, I don't think we'll see
• 1:27:39
  much, but do you have anybody that caught your eye maybe last
• 1:27:43
  year or from a recruiting perspective that you say I want
• 1:27:46
  to see him on the field at Lane? Yeah, I mean, I think, I think
• 1:27:49
  XTV got a lot better as the season progressed.
• 1:27:52
  I mean, he provides a huge speed element because they're missing.
• 1:27:55
  I'm sure there's some some little things that, you know,
• 1:27:57
  maybe kept him off off the field as a gun player, you know, last
• 1:28:00
  year. But you know, I think he's, he
• 1:28:02
  could play a very role. And then also Aiden Green if
• 1:28:04
  there's some good things about him.
• 1:28:05
  So I'd say those two guys. Yeah, I think you're going to
• 1:28:11
  see a lot of Aiden Green. I'm really interested to see him
• 1:28:13
  kind of step into that, you know filling in in that kind of 4th
• 1:28:18
  spot since Gosnell's out. I feel like he's going to be
• 1:28:20
  kind of the next man up from that perspective.
• 1:28:23
  Excited to see XTB get a little bit more run in non gadget plays
• 1:28:31
  seeing what he can do in in in more traditional route tree type
• 1:28:34
  things. I think you know obviously the
• 1:28:39
  young guys that we've talked about Brody and Chance, I want
• 1:28:42
  to see what they can do. And I think the the biggest
• 1:28:44
  unknown but I've the name that I've started to hear a little
• 1:28:46
  bit kind of as spring practice has worked on is you know seeing
• 1:28:50
  Chance Fitzgerald come around a little bit too.
• 1:28:52
  Because you know after this year there's going to be a lot of
• 1:28:57
  youth kind of moving into those roles and I'm interested to see
• 1:29:00
  how those guys are going to step up.
• 1:29:02
  I think we have. We've seen Aiden do it in in in
• 1:29:05
  small sample size so far. You know we've seen you know
• 1:29:09
  what what chance can do and what what Brody can do in some of
• 1:29:13
  this practice footage. But you know some of those guys
• 1:29:15
  are going to be asked to to take on a very big role heading into
• 1:29:18
  2025. So I want to see that kind of
• 1:29:21
  that transition start with with this spring game and getting
• 1:29:23
  those guys a lot of reps and getting acclimated and showing
• 1:29:26
  what they can do. Keelan man, I I got to see
• 1:29:31
  Keelan. I got to see Keelan.
• 1:29:33
  Adams just again, man, when you think about the wide receiver
• 1:29:40
  position at Virginia Tech, you know, he said, no disrespect to
• 1:29:42
  any of the guys that's played like we don't, we haven't had
• 1:29:47
  like an explosive wide receiver like we have on our roster right
• 1:29:51
  now. You know, even besides Keelan.
• 1:29:53
  But you know what I'm saying, to be, you know, highly ranked,
• 1:29:55
  like he was coming in, it's going to be a lot of eyes on him
• 1:29:59
  from other Virginia guys. But also like the fan base
• 1:30:05
  hadn't seen really what he is because he's a, he's a route
• 1:30:10
  running technician. Like that's what he does.
• 1:30:12
  You know, all of the stuff that you do during the spring where
• 1:30:14
  you're pulling tires and tire pull ups and all that stuff, a
• 1:30:20
  wide receiver like Keelan Adams is a little bit different, you
• 1:30:22
  know what I'm saying? So I'd like to see him get some
• 1:30:25
  work and I mean I've seen him on some, on some, on some
• 1:30:27
  one-on-one routes and he does what he does.
• 1:30:30
  So I'm going to be excited for him to see or I'm going to be
• 1:30:33
  excited for the fan base to see like what he can do.
• 1:30:37
  You know moving forward And and like Brian said, you know, think
• 1:30:41
  about like Aiden Green and even Chance Fitzgerald next year when
• 1:30:46
  that that that top four guys leave.
• 1:30:49
  You know they're going to be the the veterans and the thing that
• 1:30:53
  like Aiden Green's going to be a junior next year.
• 1:30:55
  Seems like he just got on campus, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:58
  Which he he really did, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:31:00
  Like he was a freshman, but he'll be a, he'll be a a junior
• 1:31:04
  next year and and and and leading the charge.
• 1:31:07
  So you're interested to see, you know what the progression of all
• 1:31:11
  of those guys is. But if I'm looking at like one
• 1:31:13
  guy in that wide receiving room, I got to say Keelan.
• 1:31:17
  I see Keelan. I understand that with
• 1:31:19
  everything he's done, I think the the piece I want to see is
• 1:31:23
  when those BIG4 are off the field or the big three Stevens
• 1:31:27
  going to be banged up. I want to see who's leading
• 1:31:29
  because I think we keep making this point.
• 1:31:31
  Those guys are gone next year. Those guys are gone next year.
• 1:31:35
  I want to see who's on the field is maybe Barking, who's the
• 1:31:39
  leader of the group, who's going to become the next leader of the
• 1:31:42
  bad boys with Finetail minds. Because I think that's going to
• 1:31:46
  be the guy that we see in this game, especially after the first
• 1:31:50
  quarter. Make the plays, get blocks
• 1:31:53
  downfield, get on somebody's butt for not doing something.
• 1:31:56
  And because they're all relatively young and there's not
• 1:32:00
  like there's a red shirt, you know sophomore who's played it
• 1:32:05
  or had a good bit of play where he can say this is I'm going to
• 1:32:08
  take the battle and run with it. Because like you just said with
• 1:32:11
  Aiden Green. Aiden Green is a sophomore.
• 1:32:14
  He he's one year ahead of guys like James Williams and guys
• 1:32:17
  like Brody Adams. So who becomes the leader of
• 1:32:20
  that group? Because I think right now I
• 1:32:23
  don't think we can say in the four that's there that they
• 1:32:26
  there is 1A dog. I think they all have their
• 1:32:30
  collective roles and I think they all have their different
• 1:32:32
  personalities and they all leave really well at times.
• 1:32:35
  So it's going to be interesting to see that.
• 1:32:37
  All right. Anything else?
• 1:32:39
  Y'all, we're looking for Saturday on any aspect.
• 1:32:45
  The alpha dog on this The alpha dog on this podcast is Curtis's
• 1:32:50
  dog. Listen, it's either disturb
• 1:32:54
  y'all and make Brian have to edit this a little bit or wake
• 1:32:56
  up my kids I love. Y'all you definitely.
• 1:33:01
  You're making the right move, man.
• 1:33:02
  You definitely don't want to do that.
• 1:33:04
  No, not at all, but. You know what I mean.
• 1:33:07
  Hey, our Lister stuck through state of the program.
• 1:33:11
  Drunken shenanigans. I think they can handle the dog
• 1:33:13
  barking for 30 minutes, yeah. I don't know what's going on.
• 1:33:17
  I might be up like half the night with her if she don't go
• 1:33:19
  crazy. By the way, Tally, we are
• 1:33:22
  looking forward next week to the BMF awards after you see these
• 1:33:25
  guys with heads on. He doesn't see them up front
• 1:33:28
  here. Y'all got to understand how far
• 1:33:30
  we came though, man. Like we got a spring game on TV.
• 1:33:35
  You know what I'm saying, man? We we we get to watch it on TV.
• 1:33:38
  We got the streaming, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:33:40
  We got pregame shows like a couple of years ago, man, we
• 1:33:43
  wouldn't get none of this. We wouldn't get no coverage, so.
• 1:33:48
  Very true. Excited.
• 1:33:50
  Super excited. Well boys, unless something is
• 1:33:53
  broken in, which I don't think anything has in a little while
• 1:33:58
  here, I'm going to wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner
• 1:34:01
  podcast brought to you by Main Street Pharmacy.
• 1:34:04
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