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- 0:03Speaker 1: The coat was arranged over the back of the chair
- 0:06Speaker 1: like a person waiting, arms folded neatly at the sides,
- 0:10Speaker 1: hood centered. June heat pressed against the window, sixty eight
- 0:14Speaker 1: degrees outside, and still the coat sat there, dressed for
- 0:18Speaker 1: a different season, at a table that had been empty
- 0:22Speaker 1: for about a year. That was what stopped Peggy Sheridan
- 0:25Speaker 1: on the sidewalk. Not a noise, not a light, a
- 0:29Speaker 1: coat through glass in the wrong month. What Peggy could
- 0:33Speaker 1: not have known, what no one in Delwood, Ohio, had
- 0:37Speaker 1: yet connected, was that the woman who owned that coat
- 0:40Speaker 1: had not left. She had simply been made to disappear,
- 0:44Speaker 1: one careful step at a time, by a man who
- 0:47Speaker 1: had done it before. Rachel Tucker was fifty two years
- 0:50Speaker 1: old in the summer of twenty nineteen. She had lived
- 0:54Speaker 1: in Delwood for close to a decade, and in that
- 0:57Speaker 1: time she had built something quiet and durable, not a
- 1:01Speaker 1: loud life, a precise one. She had been born in Kiev,
- 1:05Speaker 1: then part of the Soviet Union, and had come to
- 1:08Speaker 1: the United States in her twenties on a student visa.
- 1:10Speaker 1: She met Denis Tucker in Ohio, a shop teacher in Finlay,
- 1:15Speaker 1: patient and steady, and they marry and built a modest
- 1:18Speaker 1: life together. Her permanent residency came through that marriage. Dennis
- 1:23Speaker 1: died of a heart attack in the winter of two
- 1:25Speaker 1: thousand eleven, and Rachel, without children, without family on this
- 1:30Speaker 1: side of the Atlantic, stayed. She stayed because Delwood was hers.
- 1:34Speaker 1: Now every Thursday, from nine in the morning until noon,
- 1:38Speaker 1: she walked into the Delwood Public Library and sat with
- 1:42Speaker 1: adults learning to read. She had done this for four
- 1:46Speaker 1: years without a single absence. June Albright, who co ordinated
- 1:51Speaker 1: volunteers at the library, would later tell investigators that Rachel was,
- 1:56Speaker 1: in her exact words, the most consistent person in the building,
- 2:01Speaker 1: not the most enthusiastic, not the loudest, consistent, the kind
- 2:06Speaker 1: of person a program is built around without anyone realizing
- 2:09Speaker 1: it until they are gone. Rachel kept books for small
- 2:13Speaker 1: businesses part time. She called her sister Olena in Kiev
- 2:18Speaker 1: every first Sunday of the month regular as a utility bill.
- 2:23Speaker 1: She attended Calvary Lutheran, where she knew Bev Craine well
- 2:26Speaker 1: enough to sit beside her without needing to make conversation first.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Her green card had expired in two thousand fifteen. She
- 2:34Speaker 1: had not renewed it This was not defiance or negligence.
- 2:38Speaker 1: It was the slow accumulation of a widow's anxiety, the
- 2:42Speaker 1: fear that touching the immigration system might somehow undo the
- 2:45Speaker 1: stability she had assembled. Her status was not illegal by
- 2:49Speaker 1: any formal measure, but the expired card sat in her
- 2:53Speaker 1: mind like a debt she had not figured out how
- 2:55Speaker 1: to pay. That particular fear, specific and private, was exactly
- 3:00Speaker 1: what Roy Carter was looking for. Carter arrived in Dellwood
- 3:04Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty seventeen. He was fifty eight.
- 3:08Speaker 1: He drove a Silverado pickup with Michigan plates that he
- 3:11Speaker 1: told people were borrowed. He came from Lexington, Kentucky, though
- 3:16Speaker 1: he did not advertise that. What he advertised at a
- 3:19Speaker 1: community zoning meeting where Dellwood residents had gathered to argue
- 3:23Speaker 1: about a proposed warehouse development, was that he was a
- 3:27Speaker 1: retired immigration paralegal. He was not. He held no license
- 3:31Speaker 1: of any kind in any state. The claim was the
- 3:35Speaker 1: entire point. He met Rachel at that meeting. She was
- 3:39Speaker 1: there because the warehouse site bordered a neighborhood park she
- 3:42Speaker 1: cared about. He sat two seats away, and at some
- 3:45Speaker 1: point in the evening the conversation turned to where she
- 3:48Speaker 1: was from. It always did. Her accent was still present
- 3:52Speaker 1: after thirty years. The softened thing, but there. Roy Carter
- 3:57Speaker 1: noticed it the way a locksmith notices a particular kind
- 4:00Speaker 1: of door. He did not move fast, that is important.
- 4:04Speaker 1: He did not press or flatter or overwhelm. He was
- 4:07Speaker 1: competent and calm, and he spoke about immigration paperwork the
- 4:12Speaker 1: way a person speaks about whether, as if it were
- 4:14Speaker 1: simply a fact of the world that he happened to
- 4:17Speaker 1: understand and she happened not to. By the end of
- 4:21Speaker 1: that first evening, Rachel felt something she had not felt
- 4:25Speaker 1: in a long time regarding her green card situation. She
- 4:29Speaker 1: felt like it might be manageable. That feeling was manufactured.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Roy Carter had built it on purpose in one sitting,
- 4:37Speaker 1: and he would spend the next two years making sure
- 4:40Speaker 1: it never went away. Roy Carter moved into the duplex
- 4:44Speaker 1: in August of twenty seventeen. He paid that first month
- 4:48Speaker 1: in cash. The landlord, Tom Briley, accepted him as a
- 4:52Speaker 1: co tenant without a formal amendment to the lease. It
- 4:55Speaker 1: was an informal arrangement between people who trusted each other
- 4:59Speaker 1: at face value. Roy Carter had spent years learning how
- 5:02Speaker 1: to produce exactly that kind of trust on demand. He
- 5:06Speaker 1: had also learned something else in that first week. The
- 5:09Speaker 1: side door of the duplex had a broken lock. Briley
- 5:12Speaker 1: had mentioned it to Rachel once apologetically and never fixed it.
- 5:17Speaker 1: Rachel had never used that door. Roy Carter found it
- 5:20Speaker 1: and cataloged it quietly, the way he cataloged everything else
- 5:24Speaker 1: that might be useful later. The first thing he dismantled
- 5:28Speaker 1: was not Rachel's finances. It was her friendships. Her closest
- 5:32Speaker 1: connection at Calvary Lutheran was a woman named Bev Crane.
- 5:36Speaker 1: They had known each other for years, the kind of easy,
- 5:39Speaker 1: durable friendship built on shared routines and small kindnesses. Sometime
- 5:44Speaker 1: in the fall of twenty seventeen, Roy told Rachel that
- 5:48Speaker 1: Bev had called him privately to say she was worried
- 5:52Speaker 1: that Rachel seemed unstable, that people had noticed. Bev Crane
- 5:57Speaker 1: never made that call, She never spoke to Roy Carter
- 6:00Speaker 1: at any point. The conversation he described did not happen,
- 6:05Speaker 1: but Rachel had no way to verify that without confronting
- 6:08Speaker 1: Bev directly, and the specific sting of that kind of
- 6:11Speaker 1: rumor that people close to you are quietly concerned tends
- 6:16Speaker 1: to make confrontation feel like confirmation. Rachel began keeping distance
- 6:21Speaker 1: At church, she waved from the parking lot. The second
- 6:25Speaker 1: thing Roy dismantled was her access to information. At the
- 6:28Speaker 1: end of their first evening together at the zoning meeting,
- 6:31Speaker 1: Roy had listened carefully while Rachel spoke about her situation,
- 6:35Speaker 1: the expired green card, the years of uncertainty, the paralysis
- 6:40Speaker 1: she felt every time she considered the renewal process. He
- 6:44Speaker 1: understood the paperwork, he said, he had handled cases exactly
- 6:47Speaker 1: like this. He would help her. He asked a few
- 6:50Speaker 1: clarifying questions her Alien registration number, her Social Security number,
- 6:55Speaker 1: the name of her bank, whether she had family abroad
- 6:58Speaker 1: she was in regular contact with. He wrote the answers
- 7:01Speaker 1: down in a small notebook. He called it intake. It
- 7:04Speaker 1: was not intake, it was inventory. By February of two
- 7:08Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, Roy had incorporated a company called Kestrel Document
- 7:13Speaker 1: Services LC in Delaware. It had no website, no physical address,
- 7:19Speaker 1: and no employees. Its registered agent was Roy Carter. That month,
- 7:24Speaker 1: Rachel transferred four thousand, three hundred dollars to Kestrel, almost
- 7:29Speaker 1: the entirety of a quarterly annuity payment left to her
- 7:32Speaker 1: by Dennis Roy told her it was a retainer for
- 7:36Speaker 1: USCIS filing fees and document preparation. She received a receipt
- 7:40Speaker 1: on letterhead that looked precisely like something official should look.
- 7:44Speaker 1: Around the same time, the change of a dress form
- 7:47Speaker 1: was submitted to the United States Postal Service, redirecting Rachel's
- 7:51Speaker 1: mail to a PO box in Bowling Green, Ohio, forty
- 7:55Speaker 1: minutes south of Delwood. The box had been rented under
- 7:59Speaker 1: a variant of Roy Carter's middle name. Rachel did not
- 8:03Speaker 1: know the box existed. She did not file that form.
- 8:06Speaker 1: Kevin Ash, a forensic document examiner, would later analyze the
- 8:10Speaker 1: signature on that form. His finding was specific. The signature
- 8:16Speaker 1: was a practiced copy, not Rachel's natural hand. The pen
- 8:19Speaker 1: pressure was wrong. Two letters in the name Tucker showed
- 8:23Speaker 1: hesitation marks, consistent with working from a model tracing the
- 8:27Speaker 1: shape of someone else's name rather than writing your own.
- 8:31Speaker 1: Fourteen to sixteen months of Rachel's mail accumulated in that box,
- 8:36Speaker 1: bank statements, utility notices, and one document, in particular, a
- 8:42Speaker 1: letter from United States Citizenship and Immigration Services notifying the
- 8:47Speaker 1: addresses that no case was currently open in her name,
- 8:51Speaker 1: and that a green card renewal application had been awaiting
- 8:54Speaker 1: a response since twenty sixteen. Rachel's renewal had not been filed.
- 9:00Speaker 1: The letter was a follow up to a preliminary inquiry
- 9:03Speaker 1: the agency had generated on its own the case. Roy
- 9:06Speaker 1: Carter had been managing the fees he had collected the
- 9:10Speaker 1: paperwork he described, None of it existed. There was no case,
- 9:14Speaker 1: There had never been a case. Rachel did not know
- 9:18Speaker 1: any of this. What she knew was what Roy told her,
- 9:21Speaker 1: that her situation was complicated, that the agency had questions,
- 9:25Speaker 1: that things were progressing but slowly, that she needed to
- 9:28Speaker 1: be patient and to trust him, and above all, not
- 9:32Speaker 1: to draw attention by contacting any one else. In the
- 9:35Speaker 1: spring of two thousand eighteen, Olena, Rachel's sister in Kiev,
- 9:40Speaker 1: noticed that Roy was answering Rachel's phone. He told Olena
- 9:45Speaker 1: she was resting or at a doctor's appointment. He was
- 9:49Speaker 1: pleasant and brief. By the autumn of two thousand eighteen,
- 9:53Speaker 1: Olena had stopped calling. She assumed Rachel was embarrassed that
- 9:57Speaker 1: the financial difficulties her sister had hinted at had become
- 10:00Speaker 1: something Rachel needed to manage privately without witnesses. The calls stopped.
- 10:06Speaker 1: The Thursday morning shift at the library had already stopped.
- 10:10Speaker 1: What remained from the outside looked like the quiet, unspectacular
- 10:14Speaker 1: withdrawal of a woman managing her own life on her
- 10:18Speaker 1: own terms. On the fourteenth of June two thousand nineteen,
- 10:22Speaker 1: a woman named Peggy Sheridan walked up the front path
- 10:25Speaker 1: of the duplex carrying a bag of donated groceries. She
- 10:29Speaker 1: was a volunteer for the outreach committee at Calvary Lutheran.
- 10:33Speaker 1: The bag was heavy. She was not expecting anything unusual.
- 10:38Speaker 1: She saw the coat through the side window. It was
- 10:41Speaker 1: a winter coat, heavy wool, dark navy, and it was
- 10:45Speaker 1: arranged over the back of a kitchen chair, facing the table.
- 10:48Speaker 1: Not thrown there, not draped carelessly, arranged as if some
- 10:53Speaker 1: one had folded it with attention and left it waiting.
- 10:56Speaker 1: It was June sixty eight degrees outside the chair faced
- 11:00Speaker 1: an empty table. Peggy stood on the path for a moment.
- 11:04Speaker 1: Then she called the non emergency police line. Then she
- 11:07Speaker 1: called June Albright. Because June had been asking after Rachel
- 11:12Speaker 1: for months, and because Peggy believed correctly that June would
- 11:17Speaker 1: know what to do next. A welfare check was conducted.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Officers found the apartment occupied and Rachel physically present. She
- 11:25Speaker 1: was thin, she was quiet. She told the officers she
- 11:29Speaker 1: was fine. Roy Carter stood near by and confirmed she
- 11:34Speaker 1: was fine. The officers left, but June Albright did not
- 11:38Speaker 1: leave it there. She had a log entry from September
- 11:41Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, Moscow s a phone call from someone
- 11:45Speaker 1: identifying as Rachel explaining that a family matter would keep
- 11:49Speaker 1: her from the Thursday shift indefinitely. June had written the
- 11:53Speaker 1: entry herself and had been uneasy about it ever since.
- 11:57Speaker 1: The voice, she told investigators later, had sounded different, less accent,
- 12:03Speaker 1: a flat Midwestern cadence that was not the way Rachel spoke.
- 12:07Speaker 1: She had not known what to do with that unease
- 12:10Speaker 1: until the welfare check gave her somewhere to put it.
- 12:13Speaker 1: She contacted Dellwood County Victim Services. Marcia O'Connor was assigned
- 12:17Speaker 1: to the case. What Marcia found over the following weeks
- 12:21Speaker 1: was an absence shaped exactly like a person. Rachel's name
- 12:25Speaker 1: was on the lease, on the bank account, on the
- 12:28Speaker 1: utility bills, but the PO box in Bowling Green was
- 12:32Speaker 1: receiving her mail, the library had a log entry in
- 12:36Speaker 1: her name, but not in her voice. The church had
- 12:39Speaker 1: a friendship that had gone cold after a phone call
- 12:42Speaker 1: that never happened, And Kestral Document Services LLC accompany Rachel
- 12:48Speaker 1: had paid four thousand, three hundred dollars did not exist
- 12:52Speaker 1: in any meaningful sense except as a vessel for that payment.
- 12:56Speaker 1: There was no violence, There were no chains. There was
- 12:59Speaker 1: only a woman who had been made to believe that
- 13:02Speaker 1: her legal status was a crisis being managed on her behalf,
- 13:05Speaker 1: that her friends had expressed concern about her stability death,
- 13:09Speaker 1: that her sister was better off not worrying, and that
- 13:13Speaker 1: the correct response to all of it was stillness, compliance, patience.
- 13:19Speaker 1: When Marcia O'Connor finally met Rachel alone, without Roy Carter
- 13:23Speaker 1: in the room, she placed the USCIS letter on the
- 13:27Speaker 1: table between them, the letter that had been waiting in
- 13:30Speaker 1: a po box for more than a year, the letter
- 13:33Speaker 1: that said no case is open. Your renewal has been
- 13:36Speaker 1: waiting since twenty sixteen. Rachel Tucker read it twice. Then
- 13:41Speaker 1: she sat very still. The laptop was recovered from the
- 13:44Speaker 1: storage unit Roy Carter had rented in Bowling Green under
- 13:48Speaker 1: a variant of his middle name, the same name attached
- 13:51Speaker 1: to the po box. That pairing the box and the
- 13:55Speaker 1: unit rented under the same alias in the same town
- 13:59Speaker 1: was either carelessness or confidence. It may have been both.
- 14:04Speaker 1: What the laptop contained reframed everything. There were scanned documents
- 14:09Speaker 1: belonging to three other women in two states. There was
- 14:13Speaker 1: a spreadsheet that Marcia O'Connor in her testimony described as
- 14:17Speaker 1: a ledger of predation names, vulnerability indicators, asset estimates, timelines.
- 14:24Speaker 1: One woman in Lexington, Kentucky had lost eleven thousand dollars.
- 14:29Speaker 1: A woman in Dayton, Ohio, had lost her apartment after
- 14:32Speaker 1: a fraudulent lease termination. A third case, in a small
- 14:36Speaker 1: Indiana town called Harwick at produced losses that the record
- 14:40Speaker 1: did not specify publicly. Harwick. That name appeared twice in
- 14:44Speaker 1: the laptop files, once as a location, once as the
- 14:48Speaker 1: name of the street where Roy Carter had first encountered
- 14:51Speaker 1: Rachel Tucker. He had chosen the street, the street had
- 14:55Speaker 1: given him her name. He had looked her up before
- 14:58Speaker 1: he ever walked into that zoning meeting. Picture that meeting.
- 15:02Speaker 1: Now knowing this, Roy Carter sitting two seats away from Rachel,
- 15:06Speaker 1: letting her speak about the park, letting the conversation find
- 15:10Speaker 1: its way to her accent and then to her status.
- 15:13Speaker 1: He already knew about the expired green card. He had
- 15:17Speaker 1: already identified her as a candidate. The notebook he produced
- 15:21Speaker 1: at the end of the evening was not an intake form.
- 15:24Speaker 1: It was the next step in a process that had
- 15:26Speaker 1: already begun without her. One version of events, says roy
- 15:30Speaker 1: Carter was an opportunist that he met Rachel, recognized her fear,
- 15:35Speaker 1: and improvised from there. That version fits the surface facts,
- 15:40Speaker 1: but the laptop collapses it. The spreadsheet showed planning. The
- 15:44Speaker 1: Harwick Street name showed research. The three prior victims showed
- 15:48Speaker 1: a methodology refined across multiple states over an unknown period
- 15:52Speaker 1: of time. No jurisdiction had charged him before, because no
- 15:56Speaker 1: single jurisdiction had seen the full shape of what he did.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Each case looked local. Each case looked like a financial
- 16:04Speaker 1: dispute between adults, or an immigration misunderstanding, or a landlord
- 16:09Speaker 1: arrangement that went wrong. Only when the files from multiple
- 16:14Speaker 1: states sat side by side did the pattern become undeniable.
- 16:18Speaker 1: A man who moved between small cities identified women with
- 16:22Speaker 1: immigration vulnerabilities and limited social support networks, installed himself as
- 16:28Speaker 1: an indispensable authority, and extracted money and control until there
- 16:33Speaker 1: was nothing left to extract. The confession came at the
- 16:36Speaker 1: second evidentiary hearing, after the laptop contents were entered into
- 16:40Speaker 1: the record. Roy Carter did not confess because he had reconsidered.
- 16:45Speaker 1: He confessed because the spreadsheet made denial a structural impossibility.
- 16:50Speaker 1: The document had his column headers, his abbreviations, his handwriting
- 16:54Speaker 1: in the margin notes. He was sentenced to eleven years
- 16:57Speaker 1: on five counts, three counts of why fraud, one count
- 17:01Speaker 1: of identity fraud, and one count of unlawful financial exploitation.
- 17:06Speaker 1: The sentence was a number on a docket. What it
- 17:09Speaker 1: could not measure was the two years Rachel Tucker had
- 17:12Speaker 1: spent sitting in an apartment waiting for a legal problem
- 17:16Speaker 1: that did not exist to be resolved by a man
- 17:19Speaker 1: who had invented it. The po box in Bowling Green
- 17:22Speaker 1: held fourteen months of Rachel Tucker's life. Marsha O'Connor drove
- 17:27Speaker 1: down to collect it herself. She signed for the bundle
- 17:30Speaker 1: at the counter, carried it to her car, and opened
- 17:34Speaker 1: the first envelope in the parking lot. Inside was a
- 17:37Speaker 1: USCIS notification, not a warning, not a deportation notice, not
- 17:42Speaker 1: any document Roy Carter had ever described. It was a
- 17:45Speaker 1: simple administrative letter. It said there was no open case
- 17:50Speaker 1: against Rachel Tucker. It said her green card renewal had
- 17:54Speaker 1: been waiting for her response since twenty sixteen. The immigration
- 17:59Speaker 1: emergency Roy had spent two years managing did not exist.
- 18:03Speaker 1: It had never existed. The only thing standing between Rachel
- 18:07Speaker 1: and a valid green card was a form she had
- 18:10Speaker 1: not known she needed to file because Roy had intercepted
- 18:13Speaker 1: the letter that told her. That was the fact that
- 18:16Speaker 1: changed everything. Not the wire fraud counts, not the identity
- 18:22Speaker 1: fraud charge, not even the spreadsheet with its clinical column headers.
- 18:27Speaker 1: It was a two paragraph letter from a federal agency,
- 18:30Speaker 1: sitting in a cardboard sleeve in a rented box forty
- 18:34Speaker 1: minutes from Rachel's apartment, waiting there while she handed over
- 18:38Speaker 1: her quarterly annuity payment and sat alone wondering how much
- 18:42Speaker 1: worse things could get. The green card renewal moved through
- 18:46Speaker 1: processing quickly after that. By October of twenty nineteen, it
- 18:51Speaker 1: was in Rachel's hands. Her naturalization appointment was scheduled for
- 18:55Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty. She went back to the Thursday
- 18:58Speaker 1: morning shift at Delwood Public Library that same October. She
- 19:03Speaker 1: brought butter cookies. June Albright later said, Rachel set them
- 19:08Speaker 1: on the table, sat down in her usual chair, and
- 19:12Speaker 1: picked up where she had left off with a student
- 19:14Speaker 1: who had been waiting two years for her to return.
- 19:18Speaker 1: No announcement, no explanation, just the chair, the table, and
- 19:22Speaker 1: the work. Marcia O'Connor attended the naturalization ceremony. Olena flew
- 19:27Speaker 1: in from Kiev and sat in the second row. There
- 19:31Speaker 1: is a word for what Roy Carter did that does
- 19:34Speaker 1: not appear anywhere in the criminal statutes. He was charged
- 19:37Speaker 1: under the charges named what he took money identity correspondence.
- 19:44Speaker 1: They could not name what he built. First, he built
- 19:47Speaker 1: a version of Rachel's reality in which she was one
- 19:51Speaker 1: wrong move from losing everything, and then he made himself
- 19:55Speaker 1: the only person who could prevent that move. He did
- 19:58Speaker 1: not need locks or threat He needed her to believe
- 20:01Speaker 1: that the danger was real and that he was indispensable
- 20:05Speaker 1: to surviving it. The women in that spreadsheet, in Lexington,
- 20:09Speaker 1: in Dayton, in the small city in Indiana, each believed
- 20:13Speaker 1: a different version of the same architecture a legal problem.
- 20:17Speaker 1: Only he could navigate a social network quietly turning against her,
- 20:22Speaker 1: a bureaucratic clock only he could pause. Each case looked
- 20:26Speaker 1: like its own isolated failure, a financial dispute, a lease
- 20:31Speaker 1: gone wrong, an immigration misunderstanding. No single jurisdiction ever saw
- 20:36Speaker 1: the shape of it until a volunteer on a church
- 20:39Speaker 1: outreach committee noticed a winter coat folded over a chair
- 20:43Speaker 1: on a warm June afternoon and did not walk away.
- 20:47Speaker 1: Peggy Sheridan did not know any of that when she
- 20:49Speaker 1: called the non emergency line. She knew a coat, She
- 20:53Speaker 1: knew something felt wrong. That was enough. Roy Carter confessed
- 20:58Speaker 1: at the second evidentiary hearing. He was sentenced to eleven
- 21:02Speaker 1: years five counts, a number on a docket that cannot
- 21:05Speaker 1: account for two years of a life spent inside a fiction.
- 21:09Speaker 1: Some one else wrote. What the record does show is this.
- 21:12Speaker 1: Rachel Tucker renewed her green card, she made her naturalization appointment.
- 21:17Speaker 1: She carried butter cookies into a library and sat down
- 21:21Speaker 1: next to a student who needed her the Thursday shift
- 21:25Speaker 1: nine in the morning. Not one absence in four years,
- 21:29Speaker 1: and then two, and then back, as if the chair
- 21:33Speaker 1: had simply been waiting. There is something in that image
- 21:36Speaker 1: that resists easy conclusion. She did not get those two
- 21:40Speaker 1: years back, but she walked in any way, set down
- 21:44Speaker 1: the cookies and got to work. That is the part
- 21:47Speaker 1: of the record Roy Carter could not touch. This show
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