Latest / Project Podcast / 3 project trends for 2023 with Eddie Obeng
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- 0:14Welcome to the OPM podcasts OPM is the chartered body for the
- 0:17project profession. My name is Emma divita and I'm
- 0:20the editor of project apm's quarterly journal and your host
- 0:24in the hot seat. Today, with me, is Eddie I bring
- 0:26visiting professor at the school of growth Innovation and
- 0:29Entrepreneurship at Henley business school, esteemed
- 0:32columnist for apm's project journal and a p.m. honorary
- 0:35fellow. He's also learning director at
- 0:37the virtual business school Pentacle, a Ted speaker and
- 0:40co-founder of cube. He's author of project
- 0:43management. Bible all change the project
- 0:45leaders secret handbook, a new edition of which is out this
- 0:48year, Eddie calls himself a sense maker, and a Daft world.
- 0:52So who better to give us their thoughts on the most important
- 0:55Trends in project management for 2023 and what you should be
- 0:58doing about them. So Eddie I'm hello, I'm
- 1:01delighted to have you here. Hello, I'm delighted to be here
- 1:04fantastic. I think it'd be useful for
- 1:06listeners. The free picks up maybe three
- 1:08Trends across the board that project managers should be
- 1:11thinking about. Three Trends.
- 1:13A, how about if we start with people?
- 1:16Because that's probably closest to everyone.
- 1:18Who's listening, almost everybody has found that their
- 1:20world. The world around them has, got
- 1:23more complex more difficult to recognize in terms of what's
- 1:26going on. The pace has gone up their
- 1:29ability to understand what the future will look like.
- 1:32As got a little bit more unclear.
- 1:35And for many of us, the connections we make to our
- 1:38friends, our family, the rest of the organization.
- 1:41In fact, our country He's has changed and I think most people
- 1:44have recognized a little bit of that.
- 1:46And so that's the background context.
- 1:49The way I've described in the past when I'm trying to do a
- 1:51shorthand, is I always talk about, you know, the pace of
- 1:54change having a race against the pace of learning.
- 1:58And when the pace of learning is winning, then you're in an
- 2:01environment where you can understand what's going on.
- 2:04You can see what's coming next because you can learn faster
- 2:06world's changing. But when the pace of change
- 2:08starts to win, then we move into what I call the new world, which
- 2:11is Together different and in Project terms, I use that to
- 2:15describe how projects are gone from being very clear and
- 2:18obvious and I always describe his paint-by-numbers follow a
- 2:20system to the challenge of projects being around.
- 2:24Not knowing what you're going to do or not, knowing how you're
- 2:26going to do it or not doing anything at all.
- 2:28But everything must be done yesterday.
- 2:30So people living in that world have both a logical pressure of
- 2:35trying to get stuff done. But they had this enormous
- 2:37emotional thing, hanging over them and post covid.
- 2:41Everything seems Is this sped up even further.
- 2:44So what's going on? So so all sorts of things.
- 2:48The first is projects will speed up because one change leads to
- 2:51another, that's the first law of change, adding change to change
- 2:54creates chaos as law. So, if you do those two things
- 2:57that you understand that, even when you try and slow down
- 3:00projects, it gets more complex, but what do you seen from that
- 3:04is people are therefore looking more for The Human Side of
- 3:09project you would have noticed the trend Move from people,
- 3:13talking about, I things like agility alone or delivery alone
- 3:17or even benefits alone. Now, they talk about things
- 3:20like, how do we make sure people can cope with the change?
- 3:24So there's a lot of stuff around things like the Neuroscience of
- 3:27projects, how people emotionally manage things through, you would
- 3:31have spotted things like all this knee injury changing
- 3:34injury. How do you survive the politics
- 3:36and the change without getting caught up in it?
- 3:38You'd have heard things around that.
- 3:40You'd have noticed that. Especially because covid made
- 3:44people move apart, and become dispersed.
- 3:46And I'll come to this later. There is a challenge in terms of
- 3:49trying to run a project team who aren't all sitting around the
- 3:52same table. You can't actually get to where
- 3:54you all, you can do is stare at their foreheads about once a day
- 3:58via a teams and zoom. So so the human element is is
- 4:03quite crucial and the leaders. Also, I think will find it more
- 4:08difficult to get clarity from their stakeholders in terms of
- 4:12either Our decisions because of the uncertainty or in terms of
- 4:16performance. So, as a project leader project
- 4:18manager also small lonely When it comes to the individual, what
- 4:23could we be doing better? Or how do we better manage the
- 4:26situation first thing is, you, you need to solve accept the
- 4:31fact that you are in a world which isn't easy to predict in
- 4:36detail, and if you accept that, then your life immediately gets
- 4:39easier. I call it being lost in the fog
- 4:41will come to this in a second, but the whole idea that you
- 4:44won't always know what or how. So suddenly, the ability to
- 4:47connect it, to learn to recognize patterns, becomes more
- 4:50Important. So that's the first thing for
- 4:54you to do that. You have to make space in your
- 4:56mind because what happens is everyone's running around so
- 4:59fast and we live on our devices and so we don't stop.
- 5:03So we don't reflect. If you don't reflect you can't
- 5:05learn if you don't reflect, you can't figure out patterns.
- 5:08If you don't understand patterns, you don't know who to
- 5:10connect to. So you have to make time to
- 5:13reflect, absolutely crucial. That's number one, during your
- 5:16reflection. Don't just look for today's
- 5:18patterns, but recognize that as Human being the something which
- 5:22is built into the back of your neck as software, which makes it
- 5:26hard for you to deal with complex on certain changes.
- 5:29It's basically you have this software in that part of your
- 5:31brain, which checks to make sure everything is exactly the same
- 5:34as it was before and this is exactly the same, it says,
- 5:37relax, Is every every the same relaxed then it notices,
- 5:41something has changed and that software has the job to go.
- 5:44Oh my goodness. Something has changed close to
- 5:45us. It could be anything, it could
- 5:47be your role, your team, where it doesn't matter what the
- 5:49changes, or even a loud noise, it goes.
- 5:51Oh my goodness. I'm a human being.
- 5:53I'm now under threat. So it quickly does three things.
- 5:56First, most important thing is, it's, which is your logic off.
- 5:59And the reason for it switching, your log Georgia, golf is
- 6:02because it is trying to get you to react instinctively.
- 6:05It then fills you, full of lots of emotion, usually, fear to get
- 6:08you. Into the moment so you can't see
- 6:10the future and your brain is Switched Off and then it fills
- 6:13you full of adrenaline which is great if you were going to run
- 6:16away from something but since the whole world 24/7 seems to be
- 6:22chaotic, the adrenaline doesn't actually help you because
- 6:25there's nowhere to run to all the big challenges you read
- 6:27about in the news are huge. They look existential and they
- 6:31make an actor at the make you figure.
- 6:33You personally can do nothing. So you have this background
- 6:36flee, free-floating anxiety. When you talk about reflection
- 6:41is that something that you should be doing every day?
- 6:45Is it something you can build into so it becomes a habit.
- 6:48Do you do every day? Like it.
- 6:49So particular time of day when you stop and think, yes, yes.
- 6:52What you need to do is build it into your diary.
- 6:54So there's one rule, which is plan tomorrow to today.
- 6:57So so you plan the next day the day before because once the day
- 7:01starts it just takes you over, okay?
- 7:03And in the day you plant for tomorrow, you hide in there,
- 7:06what I call holes which are meeting He's with yourself
- 7:09lasting usually at least 15 minutes and if you can get a
- 7:13couple of those or four or five of those into the day, then
- 7:17you're in a good place, you plan a meeting yourself to a meeting
- 7:19and you set it with yourself as when nobody can steal your
- 7:22space. So how does reflection work?
- 7:23Reflection works on you thinking back on the experiences, what
- 7:27you plan to do, what worked, what didn't work, okay, and any
- 7:31big surprises you've had. So if you know my stuff, you'll
- 7:34know that there's a people engagement tool called Action
- 7:37Replay. We'll help you think about what
- 7:40you're going to do. But what you do is to looking
- 7:42for those things, which you plan to do, which work didn't work.
- 7:46And any big surprises which is another tool of mine called Land
- 7:49by sharing. So I can have a look at that on
- 7:50the internet and from there you then go.
- 7:53Well I plan to do this, it didn't work.
- 7:54What do I do? I do it differently how am I
- 7:56going to do it? Apply didn't plan to this.
- 7:57It worked anyway oh my goodness, how do I do more?
- 8:00So you're using that to try and get some sort of control over
- 8:03what you're doing, capture it, write it down and you're looking
- 8:06for patterns. Why is it every time I've had
- 8:08Stakeholders. They don't do this.
- 8:10How come people are doing? Because once you see the
- 8:11patterns, you don't have to chase after the events.
- 8:14So that's the people side. I'm going to do the other half
- 8:17of the people side, which is the stakeholder part.
- 8:20Yeah, teams and stakeholders, almost everything you do start
- 8:24from their point of view, not yours.
- 8:27Because it is not from your point of view that all you will
- 8:29do is trigger their crocodile brains and they will pretend
- 8:33they're responding to you, but they're acting emotionally.
- 8:36And then you have the sentence, you keep saying over Again is
- 8:39why didn't they do? I ask them to do and it's cause
- 8:43they didn't hear you because he frightens W surprise, that was
- 8:47something like that. So stop where they are start
- 8:49with what they're trying to do. So have you got any other tips
- 8:52around handling a team stakeholders for 2023.
- 8:57And so the stakeholder bid, the you can do what I'm suggesting
- 9:01which is engage with them. Humility.
- 9:02But some people are really struggling.
- 9:04So sometimes you just have to slip through the gaps I call it
- 9:07invisible lead. Leadership.
- 9:09So you have to find ways of avoiding the politics and the
- 9:12fear and the hassle but getting things done.
- 9:15I remember ages ago, one of my early projects.
- 9:18I when I was young project manager shell, I figured out
- 9:23there was a particularly Troublesome senior person and
- 9:26every time I did anything good and people ask me how it had
- 9:28gone. I'd attribute My Success to that
- 9:30person and that made it very difficult for him to be
- 9:34obnoxious about my project because it was a whole I know we
- 9:38hear you've been Helping Eddie. I mean, he probably can't pass
- 9:40that made a sarcastic remark but I said, oh, your line was really
- 9:44gave me some input. So this a line that we hate me
- 9:46lady happy, helping anyone that projects going really well.
- 9:49So so that's invisible leadership.
- 9:51It's Nicole an injury these days.
- 9:54But basically, what you're doing is you're trying to get through
- 9:56things and not let people get in your way but you're not doing it
- 9:59in a nasty way you're doing it by helping them by connecting.
- 10:03But basically painting Teflon all over yourself so you can get
- 10:07through all that. Complexity and challenge without
- 10:10without getting stuck in it, okay?
- 10:12At the second Trend you talked about was that kind of project
- 10:16challenge. So I guess you mean greater
- 10:18complexity what's going on in that area right now?
- 10:22Yeah, so so, so we've got better project management we've got
- 10:28better. All the all the decades I've
- 10:30worked in project management, we've got better and better and
- 10:32better at managing projects at the same time.
- 10:37The success rates haven't Gone up that dramatically.
- 10:41I'm not tells you that over that period of time.
- 10:44Something is changing well, first of all, we started getting
- 10:48much better at things like stakeholders and planning and we
- 10:52went realized that we were not everything with into a Gantt
- 10:55chart and we understood benefits.
- 10:56So we've learned all these things.
- 10:58I'm the whole professionalisation of project
- 10:59management has been learning how to run projects, but every time
- 11:03we did it, we then take on more complex projects or once we see
- 11:06it will speed, or we'd work on them in different countries or
- 11:10We work across cultures so that we had Indians trying to deal
- 11:14with swedes, and with completely different cultural backgrounds,
- 11:17or we make people separate, or would use technology where you
- 11:21couldn't see the progress of the project, because the program
- 11:24would say it's all going. Well, only a few bugs and you
- 11:26couldn't test and so on and so forth.
- 11:28Then we went into cultural projects and and the rest goes
- 11:30on. So we made what we tackles more
- 11:32complex And it has got more complex.
- 11:36It's the people you're going to be dealing with a probably not
- 11:39in the same place at the moment. Many organizations are
- 11:43experimenting with building diverse workforces, which sounds
- 11:48like a great idea until you put it into practice and then you
- 11:52discover that that brings its own set of headaches because if
- 11:56everyone is very similar, very little effort, has to go into
- 11:59letting making them communicate or even a line in their
- 12:02thoughts. But if everyone's diverse, you
- 12:06have to put tremendous effort in to make them communicate.
- 12:09You got put tremendous effort in to make sure their egos.
- 12:11Don't get rubbed up the wrong way, because they misunderstood
- 12:13each other. You go, but huge amount of
- 12:16effort into making sure they are lying, and they've understood
- 12:19each other and especially the language of the different.
- 12:21The people are different. Their values are different.
- 12:24Some of them were really care about the project, others won't.
- 12:26So, so we've added that into the mix and it's not trivial at the
- 12:32same time, we decided we were going to adopt after covid
- 12:37Technologies, which promote primarily make us stressed.
- 12:42I'll explain why so sheep. And goats have the eyes on the
- 12:46side, why? So they can see behind them.
- 12:49Why? Because they get eaten by other
- 12:50animals. Their prey animals, human
- 12:54beings, wolves Lions cats. They arise in front.
- 12:56Why? Because they eat other animals.
- 12:58Okay? So what we've done is we've
- 13:02given ourselves this Age where normally you don't look a
- 13:05Predators because it's scary. And if you look at Predators, as
- 13:08you just look at one, if you have 20 Predators, you know,
- 13:11you're going to get eaten because and you look from one to
- 13:13the other. But we've actually designed the
- 13:15software where you have a grid of 20 or 12 Predators staring at
- 13:20you for an hour at a time. And so everybody is crocodile
- 13:24brain, the old amygdalas firing all the time.
- 13:26Your emotions are all over the place full of adrenaline.
- 13:29And then the other headache, of course is, but half of us are
- 13:32introverts. So we think in our heads and we
- 13:37don't really necessarily want to see an image of ourselves on the
- 13:41screen. So the mechanisms were using,
- 13:44for all the introverts out there.
- 13:46My heart goes out to you because you end up staying at yourself
- 13:49and it's horrible. So we're trying to manage all
- 13:52these people in complex projects where we're not able to engage
- 13:56with them because of the technology we work in bigger
- 13:58groups. So it's harder sometimes to get
- 14:00to the truth because when you have multiple people Times, they
- 14:04don't want to confess to everything, and that's, that's
- 14:07the environment. And then we've got bigger more
- 14:09complex projects, and many organizations, have less money
- 14:11to spend because of all the lock down costs and so on.
- 14:15So they don't want to get things wrong.
- 14:16So there's more pressure on the project to deliver and at the
- 14:19same time we may have moved to more agile ways of working.
- 14:22So we have to have more communication in through these
- 14:24media, which may not be getting us the information which we
- 14:27want. I hope I painted the picture and
- 14:30people would recognize. So what do we do about that?
- 14:33If I Go in like three different directions that will probably be
- 14:36useful. So the first one I'll link to
- 14:39what I said about foggy projects.
- 14:41So when you are running a project which is full of
- 14:46uncertainty, I call it being lost in the fog.
- 14:49Things to remember, would you ever follow anyone through the
- 14:53fog? You didn't trust now.
- 14:58Yeah, so so when you're on that level of complexity job, number
- 15:02one for the project. Leader is to get people to trust
- 15:05them especially in senior stakeholders, if they don't
- 15:07trust you, what happens, they keep asking for updates or
- 15:10clarification, they also updates.
- 15:13Then instead of you doing your job, you're busy writing
- 15:15updates. So it burns much more of your
- 15:18time, put you under more stress for the senior people, the other
- 15:22way thing you need to do to get them to trust.
- 15:24You is to get them to realize that just because you haven't
- 15:27reported anything, doesn't mean nothing is happening.
- 15:29So, the difference in what you're expecting, what's
- 15:31happening is called the anxiety Gap.
- 15:33So when Cena people suffer from an anxiety Gap, they asked for
- 15:37reports. So part of what you have to do
- 15:40is to try to make sure that they never suffer from an anxiety
- 15:42Gap. Even in a complex for key
- 15:43project because otherwise it makes life more difficult for
- 15:47you and you go slower. Let's talk about technology.
- 15:51So technology. Temptation technology, it has
- 15:54always been an illusion and it continues to be illusion.
- 15:57I'm lucky because I'm old. So that means I have this thing
- 16:00called perspective so I can remember all the way.
- 16:03Back to when they told us things like no one work in the future,
- 16:07will only have work one day a week and we'll have paperless
- 16:09office is and all these new things called computers.
- 16:13They're going to save us time and you won't have to look at
- 16:15them for more than about five minutes a day.
- 16:17So I can remember all the promises and I can tell you
- 16:19consistently that software is software solved.
- 16:23Real life problems, permanently, we would have no problems in our
- 16:26lives because there's so much software out there.
- 16:29So now park the software. The problem is primarily around.
- 16:33Humans and living beings. That's where our challenge is
- 16:38all come from. And as a general rule, Because
- 16:43people don't do that future Dreaming or what I call Future
- 16:46mapping. I'm going to put it out there
- 16:49and get killed but I would say a good 75 percent of all the
- 16:52problems. People talk about today problems
- 16:55are actually the result of yesterday's Solutions.
- 16:58So almost all of today's problems come from yesterday's
- 17:02Solutions, because when the solution goes in, nobody bothers
- 17:06to see what happens next. But the technology these days,
- 17:09especially, because of the digital Revolution, it tempts Us
- 17:14in different ways. So many of you people listening
- 17:17might have played with AI with ideally chat, GPT and having fun
- 17:21with that. So, so we know, we know these
- 17:24Technologies are here and we've watched machine learning
- 17:29Automation and we know I wrote an article a while ago about
- 17:37what would happen if you had. A project leader, less project,
- 17:40like a driverless car or Co less organization and it was a joke.
- 17:47But I was, I was making the point.
- 17:49That make a driverless car work. You only need six systems, you
- 17:52know, lidar radar. Bob, they do different things.
- 17:55Some that look wise on the close by, and some of my guide, the
- 17:58wheels and so on, and as an analogy, if you take those six
- 18:02systems and what they do, you can apply to a lot of what
- 18:04leaders and CEOs do would we want to replace them know
- 18:08because the emotional and human and empathy and the passion on
- 18:12The energy and that, how do you deal with new surprises?
- 18:15He's not built into that particular approach, but the
- 18:19technology is very tempting and we really are afraid that AI is
- 18:23going to fix everything for us. But I think, I think it's a,
- 18:28from my point of view, the way I would approach using technology
- 18:31is I have a slogan. My slogan is empowering and
- 18:36Hounds people don't enslave and embrace them, like a python.
- 18:40So, what you mean by that, what I mean by that is, Your project
- 18:43leader. Okay, what do you want the
- 18:45technology to do? Is to let you be in Australia
- 18:49and America on the same day and power you to do that.
- 18:53You want the technology the AI to trawl all your project plans
- 18:58and tell you which people you need to have meetings with.
- 19:02You don't want the AI to send out a letter on email to those
- 19:06people to see whether up to the technology should Empower you
- 19:10making super and should enhance your.
- 19:13Our ability to be a human being. But the fashion is the exact
- 19:18opposite, which is the technology is something you have
- 19:21to type your data D2 data into. So basically, you are enslaved
- 19:24to it. You have to keep putting
- 19:25information into your Clarity, whatever it is or the AI is kept
- 19:28busy. Busy trying to use up all the
- 19:31big data, so you can see where the big trends are whatever it
- 19:33is, but you become enslaved to feeding the machine and it
- 19:38completely Embraces. You like a python, it squeezes
- 19:43you. So for me, if I don't you ask
- 19:45me. How to deal with the Temptation
- 19:47Of Technology, you have to realize that the trick is figure
- 19:51out what you have as your vision which is going to empower you
- 19:57your team, your stakeholders, your organization or enhance how
- 20:02people work, so that they have better, Human Relationships,
- 20:04outcomes faster. And so on, when you figured that
- 20:07out, then look at the Technologies available, don't do
- 20:10the other way around. Don't just accept, all
- 20:13Corporation believes that everybody should use blue.
- 20:15Ah technology. No, no, no.
- 20:18Be awkward say well okay great. But the technology is not the
- 20:21solution. The reason we're doing this is
- 20:24so we can work as a team and because 25 different countries.
- 20:27So what do we need? We need to be able to see things
- 20:30because we don't all speak the same first language.
- 20:33So if we draw together, it's much more useful and so on so
- 20:36forth. So again, if you think about the
- 20:39technology started from what you need, not from, not from what
- 20:43you're being offered. Eddie, you've left me inspired
- 20:48invigorated. I'm ready to go.
- 20:50Now, I think you've packed in so many practical tips for also
- 20:55areas to really think about. So I just want to say thank you
- 20:57so much for your time. And for your wisdom, what did
- 21:01whether wisdom? But, thank you very much.
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