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Gordie Chiesa on the biggest concerns for the Utah Jazz and training camp begins, Keyonte's contract extension + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Peace out. Peace out.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in Gordy Chiesa,
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  Speaker 3: NBA guru, Utah Jazz insider, longtime assistant coach in the association,
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  Speaker 3: friend of the program, and a staple here for all
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  Speaker 3: things basketball coverage on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy, welcome back. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: Sean, I'm doing well. This is our third year together,
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  Speaker 1: you and I, and this is my 10th year with
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  Speaker 1: the ESPN Radio 700, so I'm ecstatic.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're ecstatic to have you, and the NBA season
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  Speaker 3: right around the corner. Jazz will tip off the regular
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  Speaker 3: season on the road against Memphis on October 21st, so
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  Speaker 3: we're roughly three weeks away from this. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is a team now that had their media day
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  Speaker 3: and you got to hear from some of the young
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  Speaker 3: cats and you got to hear from will Hardy. And I,
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  Speaker 3: I want to start with the coach because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we've been talking about it for a couple of years now,
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  Speaker 3: a couple of off seasons, especially you got to find
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  Speaker 3: a way to flip this switch. Now it's time to compete.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're not tanking. Now you're not maximizing draft position.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're not manipulating your lineup to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: you're getting young players to develop, but also that actually
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  Speaker 3: trying to win games. and you get to put the
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  Speaker 3: foot on the gas pedal and actually go. What kind
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  Speaker 3: of relief is this coaching staff feeling right now that
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  Speaker 3: they don't have to do any of that tomfoolery and
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  Speaker 3: they just get to coach what we hope is winning basketball?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. Right now, they're very happy about now.
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  Speaker 1: This is a direction that there's no more rebuilding, that
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz have a bunch of young guys that have
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  Speaker 1: some experience and then some veterans led by Larry Markin
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  Speaker 1: and Jaron Jackson and Yusuf Nurkic and Keontae George. So
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  Speaker 1: they're going to try to blend both of them. So
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff is ready to go, as always, with
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz. They can score the ball. And they have
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  Speaker 1: a multi-talented group of people that are offensive-minded. Now, as always,
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz, the last two years, they've struggled defensively. So
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  Speaker 1: they've got to correct that. And I'm sure starting today
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  Speaker 1: at 10 o'clock this morning local time, the Jazz are
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  Speaker 1: working on defensive drills and, more importantly, accountability. So if
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz go forward this season, it's all based on offensively.
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  Speaker 1: And they keep scoring the ball at a high percentage defensively.
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  Speaker 1: But defensively, can they guard the ball initially and also
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  Speaker 1: guard the basket? Just quickly, last year, reference point, the
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  Speaker 1: Jazz are 30 in the NBA last as far as
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  Speaker 1: most points allowed to get the most three-point shots up
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA and with at least shots as far
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  Speaker 1: as blocked at the rim in the NBA. So they've
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  Speaker 1: got to correct it. And I know that they're talking
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  Speaker 1: about it all the time, and now it starts right
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  Speaker 1: now today.
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  Speaker 2: Who are the.
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  Speaker 3: Players you expect to spearhead that defensive effort, Gordy? You
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  Speaker 3: don't have Walker Kessler anymore who, when healthy, you thought
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  Speaker 3: could be kind of an elite rim protector, but he's
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  Speaker 3: not going to solve your problems out on the perimeter
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  Speaker 3: with allowing too many three-point shots.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just a one-man job.
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  Speaker 3: Who are the players that you expect maybe this coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff will focus on or maybe they personally will take
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  Speaker 3: it under their own responsibility to improve this team defensively?
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  Speaker 3: Who are going to be the leaders there?
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  Speaker 1: He's got to get better. He's number one. Also, Larry Markkinen,
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  Speaker 1: who can score the ball offensively. He's a tremendous talent.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to be able to guard his position. That's
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  Speaker 1: both at small forward, and I'll call him stretch forward,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe a quasi-five man. When they go ultra-small, they
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  Speaker 1: play him at five. So those two guys, Ace Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: who's got innate athletic talent, he has to get better
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  Speaker 1: as far as and also Yusuf Nurkic. I know he
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  Speaker 1: can't foul just, you know, he starts fouling sometimes on
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  Speaker 1: layup lines. That's how crazy it is. So he's got
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  Speaker 1: to be able to just be, as always, just like
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, how can I be physical with technique?
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  Speaker 1: That's the question for Yusuf Nurkic and all the other
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  Speaker 1: big guys. And the big guys are Jackson Hayes and
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  Speaker 1: Mo Bamba and Kyle Filipowski. And then Jaron Jackson, all
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  Speaker 1: five of those guys, can they play interior defense without
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  Speaker 1: dramatically fouling? And so that's what's going to, those are
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  Speaker 1: the main guys have to do it quickly. The Jazz
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  Speaker 1: added two guys though, defensive minded from new newcomers, Josh
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  Speaker 1: Okoji and Josh Green. And both those guys, their MO
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  Speaker 1: is defense. It's defensive as far as on off ball.
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  Speaker 1: So they should improve the Jazz defense, especially in the
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  Speaker 1: second unit.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa is our guest, talking a little Utah Jazz,
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  Speaker 3: about three weeks ahead of the season, tipping off here
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA NHL season.
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  Speaker 2: Puck drops this week.
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night, Delta Center, Utah Mammoth versus Chicago Blackhawks, and
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  Speaker 3: then the Jazz will be right behind them. We've seen
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  Speaker 3: kind of a breakout year from Keontae George, and he
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  Speaker 3: got paid for it. And there was some question about
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  Speaker 3: whether or not this deal was going to get done
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  Speaker 3: before the season, whether it was going to be something
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  Speaker 3: that we had to wait for. How does it change
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  Speaker 3: the dynamic between players, coaches, teammates, et cetera, now that
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  Speaker 3: everyone knows, all right, Keontae, you earned this and you
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  Speaker 3: got paid. What does it do to change, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: his relationship in the room?
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  Speaker 1: He's a top dog. He has the ball in the
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  Speaker 1: game as far as a point guard. It's his fourth season,
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  Speaker 1: and the Jazz, they developed him, and now it's time
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  Speaker 1: for him to help the franchise as far as winning.
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  Speaker 1: And he can. He's been a tremendous metaphor for us
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  Speaker 1: in his personality as far as him really being team-orientated.
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  Speaker 1: So it's fascinating how it's his development. And he's a
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  Speaker 1: very talented offensive player. I mentioned his defense is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a concern. His quickly, his contract, all the listeners,
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  Speaker 1: he makes this year still $ 6. 5 million. That's the old contract.
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  Speaker 1: Next year, 27-28, that's when it kicks in. $ 27. 1 million, $ 28. 29, $ 29. 3 million, $ 29. 30, $ 31. 5 million, $ 30. 31, $ 33. 6 million,
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  Speaker 1: and then $ 31. 32.
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  Speaker 4: $ 35. 8 million.
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  Speaker 1: So I said that purposely because he's their guy now.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no gray area. As they go forward, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be the main guy along with his trusted sidekick,
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  Speaker 1: young fella, Darren Peterson, and Ace Bailey. So when the
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  Speaker 1: players should look at him as them being their team leader,
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  Speaker 1: both on the court... but also his contract in place.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no like, you're not respecting me. Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 1: We paid you. Now it's time for you to play well,
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  Speaker 1: especially as the Jets try to attempt to make the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs this year.
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  Speaker 3: Take me inside what a film session is like, what
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  Speaker 3: a coaching conversation is like when you have somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: Because this is a guy that.
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  Speaker 3: People say his ceiling is Kobe Bryant, his floor is
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  Speaker 3: also pretty darn high. And You want to make sure
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  Speaker 3: you develop him the right way. You don't want to
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  Speaker 3: hold him back, but you don't want to push him
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  Speaker 3: too hard. How are the coaches handling that as you
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  Speaker 3: get training camp started?
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  Speaker 1: They are going to be on him in a good
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  Speaker 1: way because he wants to be coached up. And so
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  Speaker 1: he's a major talent. You're talking like Kobe Bryant type talent.
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  Speaker 1: So he has the ability to score the ball on
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  Speaker 1: his own. He's like a rocket ship himself. He's almost
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  Speaker 1: a combination, Sean, of potentially like Kobe Bryant and like
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  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade. He's a guard. He's not a point guard.
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  Speaker 1: So when we say point guard, we mean somebody that
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  Speaker 1: tries to get everybody involved, initiate the offense. He's a
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  Speaker 1: scoring talent with passing skills, and that's good. That's who
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  Speaker 1: he is, and do not change him. And so during
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  Speaker 1: film sessions and during team practices, they're going to accelerate
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  Speaker 1: his progress. They're going to let him be who he is,
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  Speaker 1: but also have accountability of moving the ball. Like all
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  Speaker 1: young players, they over-dribble. So in practice, I'm sure they're
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  Speaker 1: emphasizing moving the ball. And on the second side of
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  Speaker 1: the floor, that's a great chance for you to go
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  Speaker 1: organize one-on-one. And that's the catch word, being organized as
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  Speaker 1: a group. So, Sean, he should start moving. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there'll be ups and downs like all rookies, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the NBA or the NFL, because the game is so
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  Speaker 1: fast now. And suddenly you're guarding people that also have
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  Speaker 1: major talent. But he's part of the future. Jaron Jackson
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  Speaker 1: also is part of the future. And he's a veteran.
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  Speaker 1: And in film shots, he's a new player. I knew
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  Speaker 1: he was there last year. He only played three games.
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  Speaker 1: But also they're going to focus in on him because
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  Speaker 1: he has to help them both offensively and defensively. So
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz basketball, it's really a bright future. So the
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  Speaker 1: question is always this, it's who you play against. So
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  Speaker 1: out here in the West, you know, there's a thing
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  Speaker 1: called the San Antonio Spurs, OKC Thunder, the Denver Nuggets,
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  Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, the Timberwolves. with now Anthony Edwards and
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  Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball as a group right now, the Jazz will
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  Speaker 1: be challenged to try to catch those guys in the standings.
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  Speaker 3: For several years now, Lowry Markkinen has been your best
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  Speaker 3: player with the Utah Jazz. Does this organization want that
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  Speaker 3: to remain true in the 2026-2027 season?
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  Speaker 1: No. They want Darren Peterson eventually and Ace Bailey because
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  Speaker 1: they have more talent. The NBA is a talent league.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Malkin does have talent. That's not my issue saying that.
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  Speaker 1: But these other guys have just more innate talent. athleticism, bounciness.
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  Speaker 1: They can create their own shots. Well, Larry Malkin is
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  Speaker 1: a mismatch offensive because of his skill set. But the
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  Speaker 1: other guys have talent. Now, Larry Malkin, if I was
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  Speaker 1: counseling him, he has the ability to score with this group,
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  Speaker 1: score between 21 to 23 points a game, and that
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  Speaker 1: would be wonderful. And then Darren Peterson and Keontae George
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  Speaker 1: and Jaron Jackson and Yusuf Nurkic and an ace barely
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  Speaker 1: off the bench, probably. I was asked this question shortly
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  Speaker 1: earlier today by a colleague of mine back east in
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  Speaker 1: the NBA. I'm saying the Jets are probably going to
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  Speaker 1: start Keontae George at one, Darren Peterson at two, Larry
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  Speaker 1: Markin at, I'll call him a small forward, at three.
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  Speaker 1: Stretch forward, Jaron Jackson, and five, the Bosnian bully, Yusuf Nurkic.
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  Speaker 1: And off the bench, Isaiah Kalia, Ace Bailey, Bryce Sensible,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Filipowski, and probably Jackson Hayes. That's the jazz 10
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  Speaker 1: guys as far as in the rotation as of today,
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  Speaker 1: birthday of practice.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to, you know, to, to get so focused
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  Speaker 3: on Darren Peterson that you kind of like let Ace Bailey,
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  Speaker 3: at least as a fan become more of an afterthought,
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  Speaker 3: but he's obviously going to be massive for this franchise
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  Speaker 3: in the future. What, What does he need to develop?
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  Speaker 3: What is the next step for him heading into this year?
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  Speaker 1: Defensively, when you're a true guard or a small foot
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA, you're guarding some of the best players
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  Speaker 1: in the world on a weekly situation every night. And so, again, offensively,
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  Speaker 1: as I always talk about it, do not try to
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  Speaker 1: outscore the opposition. Try to outplay them. And within that,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to score points. So Ace Bailey has the
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  Speaker 1: ability to, again, the average would say as a six-man starter.
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  Speaker 1: I'll call him a starter as a six-man. He has
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  Speaker 1: the ability to score in his second season, right? And
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  Speaker 1: let's not forget, he just turned 20 this past August 13th.
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  Speaker 1: So his development will be defensively, moving his feet, playing
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  Speaker 1: aggressive defense without overly fouling, being able to win mismatched
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  Speaker 1: rebounds against someone that outweighs you by 15%. 60 pounds,
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  Speaker 1: not as far as height, but as far as strength
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  Speaker 1: in the lane. And so he's got to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get leverage. In all sports, Sean, who has the leverage?
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  Speaker 1: Who has more leverage in the game as far as
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  Speaker 1: using your legs and your hips to be able to
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  Speaker 1: create balance versus mismatches where people have more strength than you,
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  Speaker 1: but you have better leverage at that split second. That's Bailey.
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  Speaker 1: Tremendous young talent, though.
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  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiesa for another minute or two here on the
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show. The last time we had you on,
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  Speaker 3: we had not yet achieved full resolution of the Kawhi
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  Speaker 3: Leonard situation.
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  Speaker 2: The trade hadn't gone all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: The Steve Ballmer suspension and punishment was still kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of up in the air.
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  Speaker 3: Did that Clippers situation get resolved in a way that
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  Speaker 3: best serves all parties?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. The Clippers blatantly... Circuit vented the salary cap rules.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knew it. The NBA did the right thing. They
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  Speaker 1: were patient. They hired an outside counsel, and they investigated
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: it through and through. And so, again, Sean, you can't
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  Speaker 1: be doing that as far as giving, quote, side deals
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  Speaker 1: like it's the JV. This is the NBA. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: each other's business. You might interpret it differently, but this
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  Speaker 1: is how it happened. And so, but listen quickly, that
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  Speaker 1: they were, the owner was suspended for a whole year.
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  Speaker 1: They suspended the president for a whole year. They suspended
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Frank for half a season. And worse than that, though,
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  Speaker 1: they forfeited five first-round draft picks each year from 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032,
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  Speaker 1: and 2033. So, it's one of the worst punishments of all,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully that will just make everyone else pause if
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  Speaker 1: they think they can pull one over on the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the college. Remember, the NBA owners are very smart people.
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  Speaker 1: They're all billionaires. They innately understand business, and when someone
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  Speaker 1: does something that's really bad for the business model, they responded.
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  Speaker 1: And the NBA league office, they actually did the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: They were patient, and now it's over.
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  Speaker 2: We saw.
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  Speaker 3: We got the first glimpse of LeBron James in that
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia 76ers uniform with the fully shaved head, you know,
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  Speaker 3: another season for one of the all-time greats, another new
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  Speaker 3: franchise for LeBron James. Obviously, we'll adjust our expectations as
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  Speaker 3: the season progresses and we see what health looks like
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  Speaker 3: for not only LeBron, but for Joel Embiid. But your
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  Speaker 3: first blush prediction for Philadelphia with LeBron on that roster.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be a major force. His risk is showing right now.
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  Speaker 1: He turns 42 on December 30th. This is his 24th
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  Speaker 1: season playing NBA basketball. So he's the most ever, most
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  Speaker 1: talented player. ever to play this long with Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 1: being number one, but played a much shorter lifespan. LeBron's
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  Speaker 1: 24th season. Let's put it in context. John Stockton played
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  Speaker 1: 19 great years, and Karl Malone played 19 great years.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's playing 24, hopefully in his world, great years.
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  Speaker 1: All right, 76ers. They lost in the second round last year, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: to Knickerbockers. Yikes. They lost four games to zero, got
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  Speaker 1: punched in the face. So now they add it. The
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  Speaker 1: Sixers added LeBron. They added Jalen Brown from the Celtics.
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  Speaker 1: They added Dean Wade from the Cavs. He's an outside shooter.
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  Speaker 1: He has a stretch. I'll call him Stretch Big. And
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  Speaker 1: he added Inferno Simons. And he added Katavius Cole-Pope. To
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  Speaker 1: go along with Therese Maxey, who's a tremendous all-star, young
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  Speaker 1: BJ Edgecombe, and often injured Joel Embiid. That's the question mark.
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  Speaker 1: So the Sixers should be right there in the East
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  Speaker 1: going against the Knickerbockers who are defending world champions. Again,
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  Speaker 1: it should be fascinating. There's so many in the NBA
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  Speaker 1: incredible stories of what I call the great unknown, where
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  Speaker 1: if so-and-so plays great or injured, what happens? That's the
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  Speaker 1: great unknown.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of guys, interesting guys in new spots or
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  Speaker 3: guys coming off injuries like Tyrese Halliburton. Is he back
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  Speaker 3: to full health, and if he is, are the Pacers
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  Speaker 3: suddenly a factor in the East again?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they are, very much. They have a tremendous organization there.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys do a great job for the last, literally,
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  Speaker 1: 40 years. Indiana Pacers, very similar to the Jets, and
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  Speaker 1: the Spurs, and the Thunder, quote, small market team. They
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  Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of guys for the last decades
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  Speaker 1: that all play as a unit. So the Indiana Pacers
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  Speaker 1: will be contending also. They'll be in the top five
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  Speaker 1: or six. And again, in the playoffs, it's who you
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  Speaker 1: play against that first, second round. And that's what's really humbling.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll be a factor, the Pacers. Speaking of a factor, Sean,
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  Speaker 1: today's our first list of the year. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: about you for the last two months, Sean. which is interesting,
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  Speaker 1: me thinking about you to get my drift.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Sean, here we go. The all-time best left-handed
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  Speaker 1: NBA players. If he listens right now, Sean is left-handed.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to have this first list, Sean, to
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  Speaker 1: honor people like you. All these standouts are lefties living
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: in a right-handed world, just like you, Sean. So besides
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell, other former people that we all know and
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: we all know that are left-handed is former presidents Barack Obama,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and NFL greats Steve Young
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  Speaker 1: and Kenny the Snake Stabler. These people are all left-handed.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go. My first list of the new season,
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  Speaker 1: all-time greatest lefty NBA players. Number 15, Billy Cunningham, Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. Number 14, Jalen Brunson, future Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 1: NBA champions, New York Knicks. Number 13, Chris Mullen, Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. Number 12, Gail Gurvich, Hall of Fame. Number 11,
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  Speaker 1: Bob Lanier, Hall of Fame. Number 10, The A-Train, Artis Gilmore,
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Number nine, we all love this guy,
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  Speaker 1: Manu Ginobili, Hall of Fame. Number eight, Chris Bosh, Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. Number seven, Lenny Wilkins, Hall of Fame. Number six,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Cowens, Hall of Fame. Number five, Nate the Skate Archibald,
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Number four, Willis Reed, Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: Number three, he plays for the Cavaliers right now, future
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, James Harden, the second greatest ever, left-handed player,
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  Speaker 1: David Robinson at the Hall of Fame, and the greatest
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  Speaker 1: ever left-handed player in the history of basketball is Bill Russell,
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Quickly, Bill Russell, 11 NBA titles, five
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  Speaker 1: times league MVP, the greatest ever game seven performer, 10-0 record.
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  Speaker 1: For his career, Bill Russell averaged 15.1 points per game, 22.5
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  Speaker 1: rebounds per game, and 4.3 assists. So that's my list
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  Speaker 1: of today honoring Sean O'Connell.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it feels good to have a list back. It
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: feels good to have Gordy Chiesa back. He will be
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: joining us throughout the NBA season. Gordy, thank you so
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: much for your time. I always appreciate you, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Sean. Peace out.