Latest / Stugotz and Company / Set 1: Never Thought I'd See This Day (w/ Alan Hahn)

Transcript

Set 1: Never Thought I'd See This Day (w/ Alan Hahn) · Stugotz and Company

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that.
• 0:02
  Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. The rex was
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: not chasing the jeep.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Murray, Murray, you there. You love sandwiches. Huh, let's go
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: to eighty.
• 0:13
  Speaker 3: He was bo.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Wow that Prime Time. Maybe I had a crush on
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Betty Rubble.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: He caught them the game last night, although they won
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: the game. You're listening just to Gatton Company.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: He is the co host of Don Han and Rosenberg
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: on ESPN New York MSG Network nix Adalys since twenty eleven,
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: and maybe the greatest head of hair anywhere it's sports media.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: He is Alan Hankind enough to join us right now.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: Why are you laughing? You have one of the great.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: Heads of you know, head of hairs in the history
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: of sports media.
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: You know that.
• 0:53
  Speaker 4: I'll take it, But today's not a great day because
• 0:56
  Speaker 4: it's literally wet from humidity in New York and and
• 1:00
  Speaker 4: you know, getting off for treadmill and all the other
• 1:03
  Speaker 4: stuff that goes with it. Not much sleep. But I'll
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: take I'll take it. I'll definitely take it. But I
• 1:08
  Speaker 4: give a lot of credit to the ESPN hair and
• 1:10
  Speaker 4: makeup people. Now the show, you guys know how that works.
• 1:13
  Speaker 5: He woke up like this, this is every day.
• 1:17
  Speaker 4: I can show you a picture of my daughter putting
• 1:19
  Speaker 4: rollers in my hair the other night and told me.
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: Your hair will be nice and wavy. Daddy, and I
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: slept in him.
• 1:25
  Speaker 4: I took him out, and I'm telling you, I you
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: remember Mike Brady had the had the froges, Yeah, the
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: perm Yeah, that's what I looked like. And I thought,
• 1:32
  Speaker 4: I can't pull this.
• 1:33
  Speaker 5: So you're missing out on a lot of good content.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: You got to put that.
• 1:36
  Speaker 5: On on social somewhere when your in the rollers right.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: With this kid, I mean today's world.
• 1:44
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised they didn't put it on social.
• 1:46
  Speaker 4: They got me after after the Knicks one Saturday night,
• 1:49
  Speaker 4: and I was a caged animal because they had us
• 1:51
  Speaker 4: in the studio in New York, and you know, so
• 1:54
  Speaker 4: we were a two and a half hour show we
• 1:55
  Speaker 4: did because of all the interviews and everything that was
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: going on in San Antonio, and my kids were at
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: one of the latch parties, so they all came down
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: to meet me and I went out on seventh Avenue
• 2:05
  Speaker 4: and you know, totally just awkward, fifty year old man
• 2:10
  Speaker 4: amongst people celebrating, and I did the wee outside.
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they recorded it, and I'm like, I'm dead, this
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: will live with forever, but yeah, they like to embarrass me.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: Alan.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: How many hours have you slept since the next won
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: the championship? Like, how many hours do you imagine you've
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: slept here consecutively?
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: My whoop told me, I think that one night the
• 2:35
  Speaker 4: most I got was four wow. So so when I
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: came back from I got home after Saturday night, it
• 2:43
  Speaker 4: might have been about it was about five am or so,
• 2:47
  Speaker 4: and by then the kids were kind of shot. They
• 2:49
  Speaker 4: all went to bed, and I'm like, I need costumigos
• 2:53
  Speaker 4: and I need to float on the pool and I
• 2:54
  Speaker 4: need to realize that this is this really happened. And
• 2:57
  Speaker 4: once I like, it didn't hit me until that moment
• 3:00
  Speaker 4: and just sitting there just like it has happened, you know,
• 3:03
  Speaker 4: the Hamilton line, the world's turned upside down?
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, did you start to think that it would never happen?
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: Oh? I always.
• 3:12
  Speaker 4: I always had that in the back of my mind,
• 3:14
  Speaker 4: the thought of like will I ever see this in
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: my lifetime? You know, things that happened, and most recently
• 3:21
  Speaker 4: that Haliburton bounce, Like that Haliburton bounce was the one
• 3:25
  Speaker 4: that kind of gutted me a little bit, you know,
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: like that one right just because I was on the court.
• 3:30
  Speaker 4: We were about to rush the court because the game
• 3:33
  Speaker 4: should have ended on that miss, and then I'd have
• 3:35
  Speaker 4: an interview to do and if we go and it
• 3:38
  Speaker 4: bounced straight up, so I had like the straight on
• 3:40
  Speaker 4: look and it's straight up, and I'm going if that
• 3:42
  Speaker 4: comes straight down, and I did, And so those are moments,
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: you know that, and I know, be getting hurt the
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: year before, and then Brunston getting hurt, everybody got hurt,
• 3:53
  Speaker 4: and it just kept feeling like I might never never
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: see this. My parents were Rangers fans and ninety four,
• 4:01
  Speaker 4: like I didn't understand what ninety four and the Rangers
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: won the Stanley Cup, ending fifty four years.
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand it.
• 4:07
  Speaker 4: I wasn't a Rangers fan until you know, just now,
• 4:11
  Speaker 4: like they had champagne, they popped that. They were so excited,
• 4:14
  Speaker 4: never seen him happier, and so now I kind of
• 4:17
  Speaker 4: understand it because they also had that feeling that they
• 4:20
  Speaker 4: would have never never would see it.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: In their lifetime.
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: And when Sam Rose in the great MSG Networks announcers said,
• 4:26
  Speaker 4: and this one will last a lifetime, a lot of
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: Ranger fans are like.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: Doesn't have to.
• 4:31
  Speaker 4: It's like when I say to Bart Scott when he said,
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: can't wait after beating the Patriots, and.
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: I said, Bart, still waiting?
• 4:38
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 4:41
  Speaker 4: So those are all the emotions you start feeling that
• 4:43
  Speaker 4: that come around. But I did get to see you
• 4:45
  Speaker 4: with my own eyes and as one as people say
• 4:48
  Speaker 4: all the time, now I can die in peace.
• 4:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, And this is first a statement and then a question.
• 4:54
  Speaker 6: I spent countless nights with you, Bill Pedo, Wally Zerbiak,
• 4:59
  Speaker 6: I absolutely you guys. I spent more time with you
• 5:01
  Speaker 6: guys than some people in my own family. Will you
• 5:04
  Speaker 6: also hang the NBA Cup banner?
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: It's what you know, I'll see. I'm petty because I
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: thought like at that point, hang them all like they
• 5:15
  Speaker 4: normally when you win in the NBA Championship, you don't
• 5:17
  Speaker 4: need to hang the Eastern Conference champions because it's it's
• 5:21
  Speaker 4: implied I might the hell with that, I'm hanging all
• 5:24
  Speaker 4: of them. Put the NBA Cup up there, Put the
• 5:26
  Speaker 4: Eastern Conference up there. Put the NBA Championship on up there.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: Put them all out there just to be petty. You know,
• 5:31
  Speaker 4: I'd leave a spotlight on that thing too. I put
• 5:33
  Speaker 4: a special spotlight on it, like just uh yeah. I
• 5:36
  Speaker 4: think it's funny that that that celebration back in December
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: was so muted, and some people had that snicker about
• 5:43
  Speaker 4: them of like, you know, only title you'll ever see
• 5:45
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, And you know the thought of, no,
• 5:48
  Speaker 4: we're not hanging a banner like that, this is not
• 5:51
  Speaker 4: our goal. But now that you've swept everything, you might
• 5:54
  Speaker 4: as well. I'll never forget being in La. We were
• 5:58
  Speaker 4: it was Nick Lakers. I was calling the game, and
• 6:00
  Speaker 4: I remember being there when they revealed the it was
• 6:04
  Speaker 4: the nd season Tournament at the time, banner, and I
• 6:07
  Speaker 4: remember walking, you know that that tunnel that leads to
• 6:09
  Speaker 4: the lakeror locker room.
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: The floor had.
• 6:11
  Speaker 4: A whole painting decal of the NBA Cup or the
• 6:16
  Speaker 4: nd season tournament. They had a big and I remember
• 6:19
  Speaker 4: taking a picture of it going but this is an
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: extra but they're really celebrating it. And that's why I said.
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: So the Lakers really went all in when they won THEIRS,
• 6:27
  Speaker 4: but the Knicks were like this is not what we're
• 6:29
  Speaker 4: here for. But now that now that you've swept everything, hell, yah,
• 6:32
  Speaker 4: i'd put the better up.
• 6:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm curious because I'm kind of jealous because you know,
• 6:37
  Speaker 5: like when I was covering the Heat and they won
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: their championship and I had to like pretend I didn't
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: like them, right, because as a newspaper guy, when you
• 6:46
  Speaker 5: got lucky enough to sort of just turn it on
• 6:48
  Speaker 5: and just be like, hey, it helps me for people
• 6:51
  Speaker 5: to know that I am a fan of this team,
• 6:53
  Speaker 5: and I am a local, you know, and I grew
• 6:56
  Speaker 5: up watching these teams.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: It's it's you know what.
• 6:58
  Speaker 4: That's such a great point is because when I translated,
• 7:02
  Speaker 4: I went from newspaper beat writer covering the team, and
• 7:08
  Speaker 4: when I moved into the studio as a studio italists,
• 7:11
  Speaker 4: my first couple of years, I was still stuck in
• 7:13
  Speaker 4: this journalistic integrity and you know, down the middle and.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: Think I watched it and I wanted to report.
• 7:21
  Speaker 4: I wanted to report, and you know what, you know
• 7:23
  Speaker 4: what changed it all. The moment that changed it all
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: was Jeremy Lynn, really, because insanity was such a holy
• 7:31
  Speaker 4: crap moment, like, as it's happening that you can't possibly
• 7:36
  Speaker 4: go open a postgame show and just say, you know,
• 7:39
  Speaker 4: an excellent performance thirty eight points against the Lakers on
• 7:42
  Speaker 4: a Friday night.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: And hell no, I was like, We've.
• 7:45
  Speaker 4: Never say anything like this, Like this is incredible. And
• 7:47
  Speaker 4: so the enthusiasm that I had for the moment, and
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: I thought it was appropriate because I wasn't like, you know,
• 7:53
  Speaker 4: waving pomp poms and cheering, but I was just showing
• 7:56
  Speaker 4: enthusiasm for the moment. The reception that got told me
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: it's okay to show that you were moved by a
• 8:04
  Speaker 4: performance or that you love the game, because I love
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: the game, and so little by little I started to
• 8:09
  Speaker 4: realize that. And then of course there was this pocket
• 8:12
  Speaker 4: of seven years where you know, and Taylor, I'm going
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: to ask you because if you were with us for
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: all these years, we have this thing. Now, this is
• 8:19
  Speaker 4: how you show credibility. Give me a strange pull of
• 8:21
  Speaker 4: a nick player that you rooted for, Give me some
• 8:24
  Speaker 4: name that's like random that you rooted for, and I'll
• 8:28
  Speaker 4: know if, like, what's your credibility? Because we had to
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: call some years where it's like Langston Galloway is not
• 8:33
  Speaker 4: a poet from the eighteen hundreds, he's an actual NBA player.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: It could be a great name for a poet. Though
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: from the.
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: Name.
• 8:42
  Speaker 6: My go to guy has always been Alonzo Trier because
• 8:46
  Speaker 6: I really thought Alonzo Trier was going to be the
• 8:48
  Speaker 6: guy that saved us.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I thought.
• 8:51
  Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, They put him at point guard.
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: Coincidentally enough in San Antonio, and I said to open
• 8:57
  Speaker 4: a season and I'm like, you know what he could
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: be special is a point guard.
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: And then by the first quarter I'm like, yep, no,
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: that's not.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: It right away, but Taylor passed the test there, that
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: little test.
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: You came like, yeah, Alonzo Trier is a great bull.
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: Love that one.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: How happy are you that you no longer have to
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: talk about lyn Sanity or Reggie Miller ever?
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: Again? I mean.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: There's a yeah, there's a lot of that.
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: There's a and it's funny because you know and and
• 9:25
  Speaker 4: are you know my Jets background is a lot of
• 9:27
  Speaker 4: that stuff where it's it's great moments but not championship moments,
• 9:32
  Speaker 4: right sure, But and so you're still living off of
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: things from the past that weren't exactly they didn't lead
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: you to a championship. But John Starks is dunk and
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: lj's four point playing, Allen Houston's running jumper, sorry is he?
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: And and those moments, you know, like you felt like, okay,
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: those are this generation's moments to hold on to.
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: But every one of those years ended in a loss.
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: The ogn and ob tip now is an iconic play
• 9:57
  Speaker 4: that led to a championship, And so those are the
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: moments you can now hold on to and be like
• 10:03
  Speaker 4: those those moments that you can really talk about with
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: a little more like I want to sy appreciate you go,
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: I want to take away from what LJ did and
• 10:12
  Speaker 4: when Alan did and when John and Ewings put back dunk,
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: like those are such in the time, great moments. But yeah,
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: I don't have to worry about Reggie in the eight
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: point nine seconds anymore. Like that's now all in the past.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: Because right now, for the next twelve months, when you
• 10:28
  Speaker 4: talk about the Knicks, you talk about a champion.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, speaking of moments, was there a moment for you
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: where you said to yourself, you know what, like a
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: definitive moment where you said, hey, you know what, the
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Knicks can win a championship this season.
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: I started to It's such a great question because believe
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: it or not. I started thinking it when they lost
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: last year because and I know I'm contradicting myself because
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: I said that that balance made me feel like I
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: might never see it right. But it was it was
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: shortly after that, you know, I'd heard about the players
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: and how mad they were about it and how determined
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: they were about getting there again. And as when we
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: started the season, I remember this thing. The Knicks went
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: to Abu Dhabi, they played the Sixers in those Abadabi games,
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: the preseason games, and I was like, so, they're gonna
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: be the first team on the court this season. And
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: I remember in ninety four pat Riley had that thing
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: where he opened practice at midnight in Charleston and said,
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: we want to be the first first team on the
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: court and the last team off. The Knicks held the
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: first practice of the NBA season, and so I said,
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: at that moment, they're going to be the first team on,
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: They're gonna be last team off, and we got to
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: see how this all plays out. When they won the
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: NBA Cup, I said, there's championship DNA in this team.
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: When they responded after the cup hangover and started to
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: get it back, you could just again keep seeing there's
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: something in this team that despite all the issues that
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: are going on and how they keep changing things and
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: from it was like whack them, moll with the players
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: who were unhappy and who you were dealing with, it
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: just felt like though they keep sticking together, it wasn't
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: falling apart like some places you've seen it happen. And
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: that's kind of when in my head I said, like,
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: this team just got to get on a run down
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: to one though still still had a little bit of doubt,
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: but sure it was a belief like in the back
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: of my mind, like if they're going to do it,
• 12:24
  Speaker 4: this has got to be the year the doors open,
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: the windows slightly open. But the truth of full belief
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: I had is the way they ended Game two, the
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: way they stole that game. Look on Michale Bridge's eyes.
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: We did an interview with him and he looks absolutely
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: possessed in that interview, and I said, other.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: Winning this thing, Yeah, they're winning this thing now.
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: Allan Brunton is a lock for the Raptors at MSG.
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: Do you think anybody else on this team is going
• 12:53
  Speaker 6: to join them up there?
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: I mean again, not just I guess I might still
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: be drunk on the moment, but I would put all
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: five like, if you think about the Championship era, they're
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: all up there. You know, all those guys are up
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: there the Championship era. The only player who has his
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: number in the rafters that doesn't have a Championship is
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: Patrick Ewing. He does now he's on the staff, so
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: he's technically he's got his ring, but he's the only one,
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: and he's of course iconic player. But if you consider it,
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: each guy all have had a key moments and key
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: roles in this Championship. I do feel like there'll be
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: a time many years from now where we're having several
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: ceremonies and all five guys should be.
• 13:35
  Speaker 6: There now being around the team. What did the title
• 13:39
  Speaker 6: mean to Patrick Ewing?
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: I talked to him the other day, we had him
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: on our show, and he told an amazing story, and
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: I think this just shows you what it meant to him.
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: I mean the moment when Cophony town sought him out
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: and gave him a huge hug and the two.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: Like, how great? Was that?
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: Amazing?
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: But I asked him for a backstory to it, because
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: clearly you guys have a relationship, what's the deal and
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: he said, I'd just kind of been texting him throughout
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: the year, helping him through stuff. Just give him my input.
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: Sometimes he seeks me out and that meant a lot
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: to me. And then he said, and I he addressed
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: the team before game four against Atlanta, when they were
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: down to one, he addressed the team. I said, what
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: did you tell him? He wouldn't tell us. He said,
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: that's private. But then he told me. In ninety nine
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: they lost both games in San Antonio. He had the
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: Achilles strain. He couldn't play, and he said he went
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: on the bus and he cried because he knew this
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: was probably my last chance and I can't help them.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: And against Duncan and Robinson, you kind of needed Patrick Gey.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: So the fact that a guy like it, as tough
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: as he is revealed that he went on the bus
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: by himself and cried, it kind of shows you. And
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: I just said, so you got tears of joy now?
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: And he said absolutely absolutely. And he goes and to
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: do it against the Spurs and to beat them for
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: one like they beat us, he said, yeah, makes it
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: even sweeter.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Goosebumps.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Alan, you mentioned the sort of wackam mall situation throughout
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: the year with different guys being unhappy. It kind of
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: reminded me of some of the things that he might
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: have learned Mike Brown might have learned under Steve Kirk
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: because it happened, you know, from Kerrn his years. I'm
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: curious what you thought, because it was a hell of
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: a pressure's eye, pressure ized.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Situation for Mike.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: But what was the main difference from Dibbodeau to him
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: that allowed this team to break through?
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think we saw it from the beginning.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: They used the word collaboration when they were going through
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: the coaching search, and that was obviously the code word
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: for you know, Tom Debideaux was an old school task
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: master coach who was like, it's my way, we do
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: it my way. He wasn't into input from anyone. He
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: believed in his way. His way worked. It transformed the franchise.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: They were a winner and elite team. They got to
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: the conference finals. They won fifty games in back to
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: back years, so he proved that he it works. But
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: to get over the top with a veteran team high
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: IQ veter and Team two. So these are guys that
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: all understand the game and have an opinion and they
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: wanted their opinion heard, and so they were looking for
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: somebody who was like that. And Mike Brown's time in
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Golden State I think taught him a lot about that,
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: and that I think was important because if this was
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: a young team, you can't do collaboration with a young team.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Because this is a team of twenty eight, twenty nine
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: thirty year olds, guys in the league ten years who've
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: had success.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I think that is something that was a big part
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't mean that Mike Brown was walked all
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: over because he in the beginning was also I want
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: to play this way. Towns wasn't happy, heart wasn't happy,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: and he was saying figure it out. But then little
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: by little, as other players came to him, Hey, you know, Josh,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I know you don't see it, but with the starting five,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: he's just different. It's better for us to have him
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: out there. And so Mike's all right, all right, let's
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: take a look at it. And then Josh plays great
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, I had no idea. Town's talking
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: about play through me. I can pass, I can do
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: the yolked stuff. And it's like, well, we need you
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: on the corner. You're a spacer. That's how we we
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: need to open the middle up. And I wanted you
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: to be a spacer, but I can't stand still. If
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I stand still, you know I want to move, so
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: the right Fine, we'll try you in the habit and
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: then it was like, oh crap, we didn't know you
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: could you know you were? Your passors are not only good,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: they're on target, Like you're a really good passer. So
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: he had to also listen, try things out, learn from it,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: deal with Jalen Brunson how to handle him, and then
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: his managing of the minutes. So I think the collaboration
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: part of it was important. You had to have an
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: experienced coach who didn't It wasn't a my way or
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: the highway type and that's literally what Mike Brown was
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: and it it It wasn't pretty, and it had its
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: ups and downs, but in the moment of truth, it
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: was at its best. And you can see that after
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: everything they've been through, the team really started to appreciate
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: and love him for who he was because he was
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: genuine and he There was a point, and I think
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: it was after Game two of the Finals where you
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: could see it in his eyes was just like this
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: is a special group. Like even he was caught like
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: like couldn't believe it, like like this is these guys
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: are killers.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: And so it was a mutual appreciation.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: By the end, you're making me like the Knicks. Now
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: this has happened, This has happened across the country. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: can't believe it. Underdog.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's like I hate the Knicks, but I love
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: this team. That's kind of what has happened with this group.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very cool though right never the day more
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: people were happy that we wanted it would have been
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: of San Antonio.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: This is not gonna last, man, you know why, because
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: we're going to be appropriate, appropriately, insufferable. And after a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: while it's like, all right, I'm tired of New York.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I'm tired you guys.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm just surprised it hasn't happened yet, to
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, if you were if we were
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: all pie charting, uh, and you know we were doing
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: guys who deserve whatever amount of of of of respect
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: or or a credit for getting this championship done.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You would put bruncht it in there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: He'd probably be more than fifty percent of the pie
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: and maybe Mike Brown, how much would you assign to
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: d Aaron Fox?
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Did you see there was a great video fan, a
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: fan who went on NBA dot com and they created
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: a next jersey with Daron Fox on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: We should raise that to the rafters.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Like honestly, and I could hear the voice just going, yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: he's with us, like you know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Like that, yeah, isn't it? Isn't it?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Kind of again more coincidences that Mike Brown kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: got fired because he was critical of d Aaron Fox
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: after some late game, tough decisions in Sacramento, right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Crazy, So it is amazing how all that stuff does
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: show itself.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: But I think, you know Fox, not just him, but yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: that not dribbling the ball thing I'll never understand, right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: But also that team ran out of gas every fourth quarter, crazy,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: every fourth quarter. Dylan Harper was great in the first half,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: look at his numbers in the second half, couldn't make
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: free throws when manya'ma nothing in the tank.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: The only game they.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Won, they won because in that fourth quarter watch it back.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: There were a million challenges, there were timeouts, there was stoppages,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: and it allowed him to catch his breath like it
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: slowed the game down enough for them to have some
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: energy in their reserves, because in every other game, look
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: at them gassed in the last five minutes.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: And when when you grow up and you're watching you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: Damon Dotson and Iggy bris Dakis, I'm already thinking now,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I'm already thinking next year, at the very least, the
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Knicks enter next season with continuity. What impact do you
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: think Giannis could have on the conference?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I know a lot of talk is about him
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: going to Boston.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I need to see for what because I don't love
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: the idea of taking Brown off that team, right, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I need to see what it looks like before I
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: start saying, well, they become the team. I think that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: why Vegas has the Celtics over the Knicks is just
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: simply because they'll be healthy with Tatum and you expect
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: some kind of revenge tour by that group.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: You know, Joe Mozilla's maniaca.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you he hate watched this whole series and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: thinking of all the ways that we're not going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: do that. We're not gonna do what the Spurs are
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: doing there, Like he'll he'll know we didn't get a
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: shot at them. But if we get a shot at them.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: This is all the things we're gonna do. But I
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: don't know the impact Giannis is gonna have if he
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: ends up in Miami. What's around him there and how's
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: that going to be built up. What I love, though,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: is wherever he goes, if it's in the East, I'm
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: big on rivalries, like I love that stuff, So I
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: want to create that animosity. I know Boston's gonna be
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: like the first chance they get. We know the NBA
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: is probably going to have Boston at New York ban
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: or Raising ceremony, right, we know the NBA is gonna
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: walk that for Opening Night. Oh yeah, so that's I
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: love the drama of that. So if that happens wherever
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: he goes, I think with Indiana with hel and coming back,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: that's another one that's gonna, you know, breathe life back
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: into a little bit of rivalry. I think it's important,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: But I still need to see what you're giving up
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: for a player like him and how he fits, because
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know how Giannis really fits with the way
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Boston plays, and I don't know if you want to
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: really disrupt the culture.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: They have up there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: I am you know, I'm contractively obligated to hate the Celtics,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean I don't have a heavy respect
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: for Joe Mizula and Brad Stevens and what they've done
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: there and what they've built there. And I can't imagine
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: that they're going to have there. They're not going to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: have a response for next year.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Speaking of hatred, I was wondering I thought Tom Thibodeau
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: would be the most hateful watcher of this final series,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: But then I'm starting to wonder if maybe he had
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: a you know, an affinity for some of these guys
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: and actually liked that they wanted.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think Tom thought watching this?
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard I can't remember which player it was,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: but there was a former player who had you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: who was in touch with him, who did say that
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: he was really happy for the guys because he you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: he did he had a relationship with Brunson, very close one.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: He had a relationship with with Towns, a very close one.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: You know, there were guys on that team that he
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: did care about, and of course, you know, care about
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: the what he built. You know, there is credit you
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: still have to get. It's again a New York story
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Buck Showalter helped get the Yankees back on track and
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: get them to a team that was formidable, and then
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: he was fired in ninety five.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Replaced by Joe Tory. And Joe Tory was.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: The older, experienced manager who could handle egos a little
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: more collaborative maybe, but also had that ability to be
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: stern when necessary, and he, you know, was able to
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: enjoy the fruits of the labor that Buck Showalter put
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: in the years before, and Buck Showalter always did the
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: same thing. You still have great admiration and joy in
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: knowing that you were part of that building process.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Alan, what did you make of James Dolan's speech to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the team five games remain?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: With five games remain in the regular season, it worked.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I didn't know he had that side of him, to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: be honest with you.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it was the one that got me though.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Is the ten weeks thing? Ten weeks thing?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: If there was a player that did it, God bless because.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: He would be my wife favorite owner.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, jeez, Like, like Ted, we all looked at
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: each other when we saw it. We were like, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: don't know if I could do ten weeks and I'm
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: just I'm just in the damn studio. But ten weeks
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a long time. But I'll tell you what that night
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: after they won, or that morning whatever it was. Yes,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I mean if we have I can't do the math.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Now nine months from now, every single player celebrating the
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: birth of children. I know in New York there's going
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: to be a high capacity of Jalon's, so.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Many Jals in New York.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Quickly here, Yeah, we'll get you out of here in
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: just a second.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. We know. What's a business for you?
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: What are you expecting at the parade tomorrow? What are
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you expecting there?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that they're they're they're thinking it might
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: be over a million people, and that would not surprised me.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: You know, the Rangers pray ninety four, was it like
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: a half a million? The Giants pray in twenty twelve,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I think came close to a million. So I think
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: they're feeling like, you know, when you consider the Tri
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: State area and the ease that there is, I say
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: ease with a smirk on my face. But to get
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: into you know, Manhattan, as long as you're taking mass transit,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I just I feel like this is something everybody wants
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: to go to and you consider it. Tomorrow's a national holiday.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: It's not just my birthday. It's also a national holiday.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: You're gonna you just a four day wee can built in,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: which is why the mayor decided to make it. Make
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: them wait, let's do it on Thursday and turn into
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: a four day weekend kind of celebrates. People will take
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Thursday off, no problem. This, this will be This will
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: be quite the turnout. I'm really looking forward to it.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: All right, well we'll get you out of here on
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: this note. We play a game around here. It's called
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: one table, okay, and so for the sake of this
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: particular game, it's Hans Steakhouse in New York City. All right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: all right, you have one table. You decide who gets
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the table. You're you're the host and the owner of
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: this restaurant. Okay, So in walks Jalen Brunson and in
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: walk chairs every table.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: There's one chair at the table, one share.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's an odd restaurant. It's one lonely said chair. It's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: two chairs. But they each walk in with with with
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a two chairs, but one table, okay. Derek Jeter walks
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in with a plus one. Jalen Brunson walks in with
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a plus one. Who is Alan Han giving that table to?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Of course it's Jalen Brunson, of course it is. Yeah, absolutely,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: right now he's the king in New York. Man, He's
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: the king of New.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: York right now.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: And there's there's there's no question that any restaurant that
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: has that said one table with one chair, they're gonna
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: be reserving it for him, even if even if Derek
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: came in first and they know Jalen's coming.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a nice table over here for you.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: This is over here, you know. Still it's a really
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: good table, but this one is not available right now.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. We are prisoners of the moment.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: We know Jeter has done great things, but what Jalen
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Runson has done feels like a near miracle. And then
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: he deserves all the flowers that he gets because I
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: can tell you, guys, from the times you know that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I've been able to spend with him over the years.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: He's as genuine.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: As they come. And I know people say that a lot.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you what you what you see is what
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: you get with him. He's as good a human being
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: as he is a basketball player. And that's I think
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: what makes it so easy to reform.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: So now Josh Hart walks in, then John Starks walks in.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Who get to the table for.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: The plus one? It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be hard.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Well, Josh would brobably be Jalen's plus one anyway, So what's.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You're right about that?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Let's try this one, Taylor, this is an interesting one.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You're gonna give it to heart? Right? Is that? Is
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that fair?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Oh? So not Jalen? Now now it's hard or start? Yeah?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He shifted the conversation from uh, how damn John Starks
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: at Josh rd.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Now you're now you're making me choose be one of
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: my favorite players of all time and one of my
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: favorite interviews of all time. Yes again, I'm in the moment.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I've got to give it to Josh right now. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: think even John would say, if he saw Josh givin,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: let him, let him, let him take this seat, even
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: John would say that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: All right, two more, we get you out of here.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns walks in with a plus one. Patrick
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Ewing walks in with a plus one.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Carl Anthony Towns plus one is Jordan Woods?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: What would you do?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: He's the answer, I'm not stupid, Okay, I asked what
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Don mcgreca walks in, Peter Rosenberg walks in, who.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Gets the table? Oh man, I mean.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Donald's gonna yell at you just so you know if
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you don't get in the table, right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing. Donald feel away.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Peter Peter will make have fun with it and then
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: probably sit at a nearby table and then just give
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: me a crap for it the whole rest of the time.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: You what, I Yeah, i'd have to give it to
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: dumb just because of the fact that if I didn't,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: he probably wouldn't. But he's a you talk about the petty,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: he's a grudge holder. He would hold that forever over me.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Every time he'd introduced the show, he would remind people
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: of you know, Donald Greca, Peter Rosenberg and the guy
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: that wouldn't give me a table thing.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then he would do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: This whole thing about how I never want to eat
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: here anyway, I don't like this place anyway, Like that's
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: his whole thing. So, by the way say it, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: might put Rosenberg at the table just so I can
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: get that version of Greka.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: You're really good at being the host there.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: But honestly, Hans Steakhouse sounds really good.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I delightfo something about it. It sounds like I definitely try
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that place.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a German place.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel free to run with that idea. Pull
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the steakhouse out, go ahead?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: All right, man, get out of here. It's a great
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: list to check about every afternoon. ESPA New York. Don
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: hont Rosenberg also MSG network he's been a Knicks analyst.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It's twenty eleven. What a great couple of months, what
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a great run. In tomorrow we cap it all off
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: for the parade in New York City. Gonna be a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: fun time. Alan, thank you so much for doing this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to you. We appreciate it. Man, glad I can
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: do it. Thanks guys, thanks for having me.