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The Case Of Lisa Montgomery - Coffeehouse Crime (64k) · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: Imagine committing a crime so heinous that it makes you
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  Speaker 1: the only woman in seventy years to be executed in America.
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  Speaker 1: But what's her case? Fully understood? My name is Adrian
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  Speaker 1: and we're here today to talk about the case of
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Joe's Tinett and her killer, Lisa Montgomery. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: hearing about messed up cases is your kind of thing,
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  Speaker 1: this one's for you. So grab a coffee answit back,
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  Speaker 1: let's investigate. The story begins in Skidmore, Missouri. Now Skidmore
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  Speaker 1: is a very interesting place. It doesn't have the population
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  Speaker 1: of a small town, more like the population of an aeroplane,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen inhabitants. And that's nicely because it's
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  Speaker 1: a farming community nestled deep in the prairies of Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: But what's more interesting is the history that it holds.
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  Speaker 1: In just three decades, Skidmore had a local dictator, a murder,
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  Speaker 1: a second murder, and then a disappearance. And remember this
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  Speaker 1: is all with only a population of two hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 1: And today we're looking at the town's second murder, Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Joe Stinette. And for Bobby Joe, her story begins where
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  Speaker 1: it ends. She was born on December fourth, nineteen eighty one,
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  Speaker 1: in Skidmore. Not a lot is known about Bobby's past,
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  Speaker 1: but elders in the town described her as a quiet,
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  Speaker 1: yet happy girl as a child. While growing up, Bobby
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  Speaker 1: met Zeb at school and the two became childhood sweethearts,
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  Speaker 1: and in two thousand and three they both married in
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  Speaker 1: a local church to the town. They had great hope
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  Speaker 1: for the future. They dreamed about selling their small rental
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  Speaker 1: cottage and building themselves a larger home, one that would
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  Speaker 1: house both them and their children in the future, and
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  Speaker 1: a few months later, part of that dream would come true.
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  Speaker 1: In April two thousand and four, Bobby Joe fell pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: They were both ecstatic and expecting the baby sometime January.
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  Speaker 1: The following year, Zeb worked for a local manufacturing plant
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  Speaker 1: for Kawasaki in Maryville, and Bobby Joe had a few
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  Speaker 1: hometime hustles, one of them including breeding and selling rat
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  Speaker 1: terrier dogs. So by December two thousand and four, the
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  Speaker 1: baby was well on its way. Bobby Joe was eight
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  Speaker 1: months pregnant and she was still breeding and selling her
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  Speaker 1: rat terrier dogs. She would advertise them online and part
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  Speaker 1: of her business would be to keep a rapport through
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  Speaker 1: an online chat room dedicated to rat terrier dogs called
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  Speaker 1: Ratta Chatter sounds Catchy. Other members of the rata Chatter
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  Speaker 1: group knew Bobby Joe for her sweet and caring nature.
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  Speaker 1: They would talk about their passion for rat terriers, but
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  Speaker 1: also shared interest in each other's lives outside of dog breeding.
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  Speaker 1: It was a small online community and in those forums.
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  Speaker 1: Sometime back in mid two thousand and four, she announced
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  Speaker 1: to everyone in the forum that she was pregnant and
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  Speaker 1: expecting a baby. The following January, and around the same time,
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  Speaker 1: another member of the forum celebrated that she too was
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  Speaker 1: pregnant and expected Her name was Lisa Montgomery, and she
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  Speaker 1: was from Melvin, Kansas, expecting the baby sometime in December
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Other members of the group, though
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  Speaker 1: they were suspicious of Lisa's claims. Lisa was still participating
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  Speaker 1: in dog shows, and others noticed that she didn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to be gaining a baby bump, especially as the pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: drew closer. Bobby Joe, however, had no reason to be
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  Speaker 1: distrusting of Lisa Montgomery. She had met Lisa, after all,
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  Speaker 1: at dog shows previously that year. The two often would
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  Speaker 1: talk about the highs and lows of pregnancy, babies, names,
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  Speaker 1: and things that buy for the babies after they gave birth.
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  Speaker 1: In November two thousand and four, Jason Dawson received an
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  Speaker 1: email for a woman called Darlene Fisher. Jason was a
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  Speaker 1: breeder of rat terriers and also through his job, was
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  Speaker 1: a friend of Bobby's, meeting her at dog shows and
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  Speaker 1: also through the online forum. Jason had never met Darleen before,
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  Speaker 1: but it was normal for him to receive emails from strangers,
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  Speaker 1: usually inquiring about adopting puppies. Darling asked Jason if he
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  Speaker 1: knew with anyone in northern Missouri who had puppies up
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  Speaker 1: for adoption, as she wanted to give her kids one
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas, not call, by the way, a dog's for life,
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  Speaker 1: not just for Christmas. Jason knew Bobby had a dog
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  Speaker 1: who had just had puppies and they'd be ready to
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  Speaker 1: go to new homes for mid December, so he recommended
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  Speaker 1: Bobby to Darlene. He gave Bobby's details to her that afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: So Darleen eventually got in touch with Bobby through the
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  Speaker 1: Ratter Chatter forum, and she sent an email to her
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  Speaker 1: which read I was recommended to you by Jason Dawson
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  Speaker 1: and they've been unable to reach you either by phone
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  Speaker 1: or email. Please get in touch with me soon as
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  Speaker 1: we're considering the purchase of one of you puppies and
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  Speaker 1: would like to ask you a few questions. Bobby Joe
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  Speaker 1: later replied to Fish that evening, writing, Hi, Darlene. I've
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  Speaker 1: emailed you with the directions so we can meet. I
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  Speaker 1: do hope that this email reaches you. Great chatting with
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  Speaker 1: your messenger and do look forward to chatting with you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: I am thanks, talk to you soon. Have a great evening, Bobby.
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  Speaker 1: The next day was December the sixteenth, and it was
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  Speaker 1: warm for a winter's morning, sun often breaking through the clouds.
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  Speaker 1: It was a Thursday, so zeb went to his usual
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  Speaker 1: workplace in Maryville at Kawasaki Motors, leaving Bobby Joe at
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  Speaker 1: home with the dogs. Bobby was waiting for the arrival
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  Speaker 1: of Darling Fisher. Nothing felt out of the ordinary for her.
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  Speaker 1: It was the usual day, after all, and then at
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  Speaker 1: around two thirty pm, Bobby heard a knock at the door.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Joe nswered the door, opening it not to Darling Fisher,
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  Speaker 1: but to Lisa Montgomery. She was startled, but before she
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  Speaker 1: could even react, Lisa barged her way in. Because you see,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa was actually Darlene. She used a fake name to
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  Speaker 1: find out where Bobby lived. She overpowered the heavily pregnant
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  Speaker 1: woman as she forced her way inside the house. Things
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  Speaker 1: escalate very fast here. She pulled out some cord from
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  Speaker 1: the back of her pocket and started to strangle, tightening
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  Speaker 1: it harder and harder the more that Bobby struggled. Seconds
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  Speaker 1: turned into minutes as Bobby's efforts turned limp. Lisa held
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  Speaker 1: her choke until Lowah's movement no more. But Lisa wasn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily here for Bobby's life, no, she she was here
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  Speaker 1: for her baby. Lisa pushed Bobby onto her back and,
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  Speaker 1: with a kitchen knife, cut into a womb by slicing
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  Speaker 1: through her abdomen. But halfway through slicing her stummerch copen,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby regained consciousness. Think about this for a second. She
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  Speaker 1: regained consciousness to see another human being slicing her baby
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  Speaker 1: out of her with a knife. She was too weak
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  Speaker 1: to fight back, and once the cud was large enough,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa pulled the baby out of her womb. Wrapped her
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  Speaker 1: in a blanket, turned around and walked off, leaving Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Joe to die. An hour had passed and Bobby's mum,
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  Speaker 1: Becky Harper, was in town of the local garage waiting
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  Speaker 1: for Bobby. Her truck needed to be repaired, so it
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  Speaker 1: was scheduled to be in at three pm for service
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  Speaker 1: on that day, but she hadn't heard from Bobby since
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  Speaker 1: the phone call earlier on. That's a little odd, she thought,
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  Speaker 1: So she walked to Bobby's house, and when she got
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  Speaker 1: there and opened the door, she walked into her worst nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: There she found Bobby Joe lying in a pool of
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  Speaker 1: her own blood. She was unconscious and her fists were clenched,
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  Speaker 1: strands of long blonde hair stuck in their grasp. Becky screamed,
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  Speaker 1: and she ran to the phone to DULL nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: Operators Lace confirmed that Becky described the scene as though
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  Speaker 1: her pregnant daughter's stomach had exploded, and that there was
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  Speaker 1: no sign of an infant anywhere. Paramedics arrived almost immediately,
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  Speaker 1: but unfortunately they were not able to revive Bobby Joe.
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  Speaker 1: She was pronounced dead at four twenty seven pm. It
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  Speaker 1: was concluded though that the baby could still be alive,
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  Speaker 1: considering Bobby Joe was already eight months pregnant, though the
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  Speaker 1: baby could be in severe distress following the traumatic birth,
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  Speaker 1: and so with knowledge that both a murderer and a
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped child were on the run, the hunt to find
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  Speaker 1: Bobby's killer was on. Authorities started immediately going around local
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  Speaker 1: residents' houses, knocking on their doors to ask if they'd
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  Speaker 1: seen anything suspicious that day. One resident claimed that they
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  Speaker 1: had seen an old red car parked outside Bobby's house
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  Speaker 1: at around two thirty pm, and it's a car that
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  Speaker 1: they had never seen before. An ambrolert was put out
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  Speaker 1: for the missing baby, though it was difficult to fill
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  Speaker 1: a profile because no one knew what she looked like.
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  Speaker 1: News of Bobby's death spread like wildfire. Shock waves were
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  Speaker 1: felt in the local communities, and the whole country heard
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  Speaker 1: of Bobby's horrific death. Although the killer was not known,
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  Speaker 1: she was then nicknamed Asraider. Not sure how I feel
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  Speaker 1: about that name. People in the ratachask community learned of
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  Speaker 1: the news too. In fact, the murder of Bobby Joe's
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  Speaker 1: all that they spoke of. Scrolling through posts from the
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  Speaker 1: last couple days, one of the moderators, known as Sidkar
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  Speaker 1: looked for any clues that may help with the investigation,
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  Speaker 1: and there she found the conversation between Bobby Joe and
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  Speaker 1: Darlene Fisher, which also shared plans to meet the following day.
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  Speaker 1: She connected the dots immediately and contacted to the FBI
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  Speaker 1: on her discovery. FBI computer forensic analysts traced the location
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  Speaker 1: of Darling Fisher's emails to a telephone line at the
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  Speaker 1: home of Kevin Montgomery on South Adams Road in Melvern, Kansas,
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin's wife, Lisa Montgomery. It was now December seventeenth,
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  Speaker 1: and at Whistlestop Cafe in Melvin, Lisa and Kevin were
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  Speaker 1: delightedly showing off the newest addition to their family, Abigail.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa told her friends that she'd been shopping the previous
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  Speaker 1: when she went into labor at a local store. She
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  Speaker 1: claimed that she was taken to the Women's center in Topeka,
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  Speaker 1: where she then gave birth to a baby girl. She
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  Speaker 1: then called Kevin afterwards to tell him of the news,
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  Speaker 1: and of course he was delighted. He ran into the
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  Speaker 1: truck and picked her up as soon as he could,
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  Speaker 1: but that of course was bullshit. While the Montgomerys were
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  Speaker 1: enjoying their coffee at the Whistlestop Cafe, FBI agents were
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  Speaker 1: waiting for them. Sat outside their farmhouse in Melvin, waiting
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  Speaker 1: for their return. A couple hours had passed, but eventually
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  Speaker 1: a dirty red toyot a Corolla pulled up to the farm,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa and Kevin emerging with the newborn baby. The agents
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  Speaker 1: approached the two and, after mandate, followed them inside for questioning.
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  Speaker 1: There they asked about the baby, and Lisa gave the
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  Speaker 1: same story to them as she did to her friends.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't difficult to capture out, though. Agents shared with
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  Speaker 1: Lisa that they'd already approached staff at the women's center
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  Speaker 1: and that there were no records of Lisa being in
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  Speaker 1: there on that day. Lisa crumbled almost instantly. She confessed
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  Speaker 1: to her crimes, and he was shocked. He honestly thought
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  Speaker 1: that the baby was his. He had no idea. Lisa
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  Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with the federal offense of kidnapping
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  Speaker 1: resulting in death. Kevin was cleared of any connections or charges.
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  Speaker 1: Caul Bowman testified that his ex wife Lisa could not
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  Speaker 1: have been pregnant as in nineteen ninety, she'd undergone tubal
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  Speaker 1: litigation surgery after the birth of their fourth child. After
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  Speaker 1: her procedure, though, Lisa would fake pregnancy five more times.
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  Speaker 1: Her current husband, Kevin, testified and caught that she claimed
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  Speaker 1: that she was pregnant three times while she was with him,
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  Speaker 1: and all three times he believed her. The first two
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  Speaker 1: supposed pregnancies ended in miscarriage or abortion, but the third
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  Speaker 1: time was different, and when he saw the baby in
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  Speaker 1: Lisa's hands, he genuinely believed that it was his and hers.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Montgomery pled not guilty to her charges, and her
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney, Fred Duckhart pleaded Lisa as insane in an
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  Speaker 1: attempt to avoid the death penalty. He argued that the
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  Speaker 1: defendant had suffered a lifetime of mental illness due to
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  Speaker 1: the psychological, physical, and sexual abuse that she'd endured as
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  Speaker 1: a child from both her mother and her stepfather. This
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  Speaker 1: didn't work, though, because on October the twenty second, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, just after five hours of deliberation, the
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  Speaker 1: jury found that Lisa Montgomery was found guilty of murder.
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  Speaker 1: On October the twenty sixth, the jury also recommended the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty, one in which the judge formerly complied to,
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  Speaker 1: and this is where we learn more about the real
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Montgomery, because only after the trial was more light
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  Speaker 1: shed on her history. When Lisa was a child, it
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  Speaker 1: was found that her mother trafficked both Lisa and her
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  Speaker 1: sister to other men, and while Lisa's older sister, Diane
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  Speaker 1: cared gravely for Lisa at the age of eight, when
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  Speaker 1: Lisa was just four, she was taken out of her
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  Speaker 1: family home by Social Services and put into foster care.
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  Speaker 1: Social Securities, though didn't take Lisa away, which meant that
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  Speaker 1: she was now left all alone to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: abuse by herself. Lisa was also the target of her
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  Speaker 1: stepfather's aggressive behavior. He routinely sexually assaulted her and often
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  Speaker 1: slammed ahead into the concrete a few times, so hard
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  Speaker 1: that she sustained traumatic brain injuries to her head. At
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  Speaker 1: the age of fourteen, Lisa spiraled into alcoholism just to
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  Speaker 1: get through the nightmare that she was living. But it
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  Speaker 1: didn't stop there. At the age of seventeen, Lisa's mother
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  Speaker 1: forced her to marry her stepbrother, Carl Bowman. He would
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  Speaker 1: also go on to routinely sexually and physically abuse Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: The two ended up having four children, but they lived
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  Speaker 1: in severe poverty and often had calls and visits from
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  Speaker 1: social services. The abuse inflicted on Lisa by those who
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to protect her can be described nothing short
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  Speaker 1: of evil. She also suffered from fetal alcohol syndrome, as
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  Speaker 1: her mother was drinking heavily at the time that she
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  Speaker 1: was pregnant with Lisa. However, much of the abuse that
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  Speaker 1: Lisa had gone through was not revealed to the jury
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  Speaker 1: in her trial. Most of this only came out in
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  Speaker 1: her appeal after the verdict. This was actually considered the
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney's greatest failure in defending Lisa during her trial.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Montgomery remained on death row from two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: seven for fourteen years. The United States had actually stopped
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  Speaker 1: federally executing inmates shortly before her sentence, but at the
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  Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty, in his final days as president,
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  Speaker 1: President Trump overturned the hiatus of federal executions and issued
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  Speaker 1: a special warrant for the executions of several inmates, one
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  Speaker 1: of them would be Lisa Montgomery. This sparked controversy in
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  Speaker 1: Lisa's case, as not only did her trial not take
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  Speaker 1: her abuse into consideration, but the world has also learned
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  Speaker 1: a lot more about mental health in the time since
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  Speaker 1: her cana. This changed nothing, however, because on January the thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: at one point thirty one in the morning, Lisa Montgomery
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  Speaker 1: was pronounced dead following lethal injection at the Federal Prison
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  Speaker 1: Complex at Terre Haute, Indiana. And that's the case of
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Joe Sinnette and Lisa Montgomery. A truly awful murder
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  Speaker 1: and a complicated ending for her killer too. It's a
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  Speaker 1: miracle that the baby survived. Victorious Dennett is now sixteen
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  Speaker 1: years old and still lives with her father zeb not
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  Speaker 1: in Skidmore, though, but their old house there is still
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  Speaker 1: up to date empty since Bobby's murder. What Lisa did
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  Speaker 1: to Bobby is incomprehendible. In fact, it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: most vicious murders I've heard to date. Someone who is
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  Speaker 1: able to kill in such a way as that should
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  Speaker 1: never be allowed back into society, no doubt. But was
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  Speaker 1: it worth the death penalty? Remembering her abuse and subsequent
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  Speaker 1: mental condition, did she deserve the death penalty above serial
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  Speaker 1: killers and other fully cognitive murderers. I'm not here to judge,
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  Speaker 1: but what do you think do you think she deserved
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty? Do you think that she deserved to
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  Speaker 1: die for what she did? Please let me know your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts in the comments below, because I honestly would love
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  Speaker 1: to hear what people think. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: of each other. Goodbye.