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Sunday Night CrossFit Talk | Woodland, Faul, Castro, Kiefer all Making News This Week! · Clydesdale Media Podcast

• 0:30
  What is going on, everybody?
• 0:31
  Welcome to Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.
• 0:35
  I think I actually did that
• 0:36
  right this week for the
• 0:36
  first time in like two months.
• 0:38
  And you know why?
• 0:39
  Because Megan Bowman is in
• 0:41
  the chat live for the first time,
• 0:44
  and we need to make it a
• 0:44
  good experience for her.
• 0:46
  Welcome, Megan.
• 0:49
  If you haven't already liked, subscribed,
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  and hit that notifier,
• 0:53
  make sure you do that right now.
• 0:56
  Took the words right out of my mouth.
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  And, hey, we're doing a couple new things.
• 1:01
  We are taking listener
• 1:02
  questions of the week.
• 1:04
  We didn't get any last week.
• 1:07
  So you can either jump in
• 1:09
  the comments after this is done,
• 1:12
  leave your question there,
• 1:14
  or DM me on Instagram,
• 1:16
  and I'll try to put up a
• 1:17
  question on my story to
• 1:19
  give you a spot to do that as well.
• 1:21
  There's one there currently.
• 1:24
  And for next week,
• 1:25
  you can put your question in there,
• 1:27
  and we'll address that.
• 1:29
  The other thing we want to
• 1:30
  do is riff of the week.
• 1:33
  You know, Carolyn has had riffs.
• 1:34
  Jamie's had riffs.
• 1:36
  I've had riffs.
• 1:37
  We want to let you guys have riffs.
• 1:39
  If you have a riff that you
• 1:41
  want to talk about that's
• 1:42
  going on in the CrossFit space,
• 1:44
  which this week you all had
• 1:47
  lots of opportunity to riff
• 1:48
  about something because it
• 1:50
  was like every day something dropped.
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  Just keep it under two minutes.
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  Record it on your phone.
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  Contact me.
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  We'll find a way for you to drop it to us.
• 2:01
  And then we will share those
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  if they are appropriate.
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  So we want you to be a part of it.
• 2:09
  So cool.
• 2:11
  Sarah Cooper says happy
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  Canada Day tomorrow.
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  And since we are a Canadian podcast,
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  we need to make sure that
• 2:19
  we celebrate Canada Day tomorrow.
• 2:22
  Yes.
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  Before we jump into CrossFit News,
• 2:27
  I learned about this TV show on this show,
• 2:31
  and I binge-watched it.
• 2:33
  They just released all the
• 2:34
  episodes of Season 3 this last week.
• 2:38
  The Bear.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  Seven episodes into Season 3 already.
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  That is some binge watching.
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  That is some, yeah.
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  Well, this season three,
• 2:52
  the first seven episodes
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  are 30 minutes or less.
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  So that lends itself to quick.
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  And then the last three are longer.
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  So we stopped.
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  Julie and I both watch it.
• 3:06
  We are just, man,
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  I love that show so much.
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  The first episode,
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  there may be six lines in
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  the entire episode,
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  and it was so tense and so
• 3:19
  emotional and so jam-packed,
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  and there were no words.
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  And you're just riveted.
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  The writer for that show is amazing.
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  And I'm glad they won all
• 3:31
  the awards last year.
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  They are phenomenal.
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  Sarah, anytime.
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  I love that you guys have the stickers.
• 3:39
  That's why we do them,
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  so you guys can support the show.
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  Thank you for being here all
• 3:44
  the time and supporting the show.
• 3:46
  Glad you got the stickers.
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  And I learned how to ship to
• 3:49
  Canada small items for a
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  very minimal cost.
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  So that was really cool.
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  Ever think that Canada is so
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  expensive to ship?
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  Yeah, if you keep it under an ounce,
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  you can do it for $1.50.
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  But yeah, so not too bad.
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  Anybody else have anything
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  before we jump into the CrossFit stuff?
• 4:19
  Nope.
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  I was just trying to train our background.
• 4:23
  Okay.
• 4:25
  well carolyn almost got into
• 4:27
  a fight at the popcorn
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  stand at the movies today
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  but I'm not sure we're
• 4:30
  going to get into get into
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  all that no the guy at the
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  popcorn stand we're going
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  to see um inside out and
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  He was like to Lex, oh my gosh,
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  your arms are so defined.
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  I think he said it like five
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  times and I was about to
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  roll my sleeves up and be like, me too,
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  me too.
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  But no,
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  he was very impressed by her
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  physique as he kept saying.
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  I was like, yeah, she works out.
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  Oh, I had the wrong background up.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  jamie did it jamie did it on
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  her own all right uh dryer
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  dagger I wish jamie had an
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  opinion on masters games
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  apparel he had no thoughts
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  on that at all uh kenneth
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  says I love a good canadian
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  scuffle and a sarah cooper
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  said inside out was great I
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  loved it I've been wanting
• 5:23
  to see it for a while so I
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  was excited that I got to
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  see it this weekend
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  I've got to go see bad boys.
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  That's,
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  that's been like a movie from like
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  college when the first one came out,
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  my buddies and I all went to see that.
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  And now like,
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  even though the last one wasn't awesome,
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  I want to go see this new
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  one to see if it,
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  if they redeemed themselves at all.
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  Any update regarding media
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  at the master's games?
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  No.
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  I was supposed to hear back
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  by end of the week,
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  so I will send a follow-up text tomorrow,
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  and we'll find out then, hopefully.
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  And then Lynn says,
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  Jeremy Allen is so good in The Bear.
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  He is.
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  That whole cast is so good.
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  So good.
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  Scott, have you watched?
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  I was told by a gym member yesterday,
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  we were talking about things on Netflix,
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  and he said he watched,
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  I think it's Swimmer or Swimmers.
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  he said it was spectacular
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  it's about like two syrian
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  sisters that are swimmers I
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  have not okay yeah what I
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  am watching is um missy
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  franklin and katie katie
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  dang it I knew I'd do this
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  they're both former olympic
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  swimmers they have a
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  podcast called unfiltered water
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  And I learned about it while
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  I was at the Olympic trials.
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  I've been watching it.
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  They had Lindsey Vaughn on this week.
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  They have a show every Wednesday.
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  They had Lindsey Vaughn on.
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  So good.
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  So good about, like,
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  expectations on people.
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  And, like,
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  when you hear Missy Franklin say, like,
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  she didn't feel like she
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  met expectations and she
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  won five Olympic gold medals, you're like,
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  what is –
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  but it doesn't matter what
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  we think her expectation is.
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  It's what was like put on
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  her or what she feels was.
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  And Lindsay Vaughn had the
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  same thing who felt she
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  kept missing expectations
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  because of injury.
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  And if you followed her career,
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  like knee injury after knee injury,
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  bad crash after bad crash, um,
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  really good stuff, really good stuff.
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  Um,
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  And I really thoroughly enjoy it.
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  It's given me that flavor
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  back into the swimming
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  world that I wanted a little bit,
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  but I'll check out that
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  thing on Netflix as well.
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  And then Andrew Sten said,
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  if you want something to watch,
• 8:07
  check out Dark Matter on
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  Apple TV Plus and The
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  Gentleman on Netflix.
• 8:13
  I've seen The Gentleman.
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  I haven't watched it,
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  but I've seen that pop up.
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  All right.
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  Well,
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  now that we're rolling with some
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  people in the chat,
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  Let's get into the news of the week.
• 8:27
  This one was the big one, I think.
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  There's a lot of big ones this week,
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  but Sean Woodland made the
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  announcement on Instagram
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  this week that he will not
• 8:37
  be calling the CrossFit
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  Games for the first time in
• 8:41
  like 10 years.
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  And more than, because what,
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  12 is his first year?
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  2012 or 13?
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  So it's been over 10 years or 10 years.
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  So I know Carolyn had strong reactions.
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  We talked via messenger this week.
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  Carolyn,
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  want to fill people in on what
• 9:00
  your thoughts are?
• 9:02
  Yeah.
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  Great points.
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  Yeah.
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  I was just shocked.
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  Like,
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  like he's just been the voice of
• 9:07
  CrossFit and he's called so
• 9:09
  many of the biggest moments
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  we've had in our sport.
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  His voice is so recognizable
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  within our sport.
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  And I always found he did a
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  really good job of just
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  doing a background on the
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  athletes and talking about the athletes.
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  Like he always talked about
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  like my athletic background.
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  I know like he always talked
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  about like pages,
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  like athletic background and just like,
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  so many of the athletes I
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  get he was not only
• 9:34
  describing the event but he
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  allowed us to um find out
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  more about the athletes
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  which I think is a big part
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  of um you know what I
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  remember from him doing it
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  and but I mean like it's
• 9:48
  goodbye maybe for now but I
• 9:50
  i expect them to probably
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  do rogue invitational um
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  and you know hopefully come
• 9:56
  back um in the future with
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  the crossfit games because
• 10:01
  I think he's the best.
• 10:05
  Jamie, any thoughts?
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  Yeah, I mean, I think it's a travesty.
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  I think when you turn on the
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  broadcast and you hear his voice,
• 10:13
  you're immediately drawn.
• 10:14
  I think Chase and they're good,
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  but there usually seems to
• 10:21
  be some controversy around
• 10:24
  him and why am I drawing a
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  blank right now?
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  Chase?
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  Chase?
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  Not, not chase, uh, Adrian, Adrian.
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  Yes.
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  Um,
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  I've been really enjoying Adrian lately.
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  Uh, and I like,
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  I think he's a good addition.
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  I just, I don't feel like you,
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  it's just as weird to me,
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  like what their thought process was.
• 10:45
  I can't,
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  I can't imagine it's a money issue.
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  I can't imagine he's like a
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  hundred times more than any
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  of these other guys.
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  Like it just doesn't make sense.
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  He plays by the rules.
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  He's, you know, I don't know.
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  It's just very strange.
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  I don't think the man has
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  ever caused controversy.
• 11:08
  No.
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  The only thing ever talked
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  about is like the Tia.
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  And he was put in a bad
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  place with that because
• 11:16
  Tia's camp put him in that place.
• 11:18
  Yeah.
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  And what do you do, right?
• 11:20
  Yeah.
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  Yeah,
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  he was fed information and rolled
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  with it.
• 11:23
  But yeah, I mean,
• 11:25
  just some of the lines that
• 11:26
  he would come up with on
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  the spot was just incredible.
• 11:30
  It was awesome to hear his voice.
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  So on a personal note,
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  every time I've run into Sean,
• 11:42
  he has always been the kindest man ever.
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  When I worked on the
• 11:49
  documentary crew at Rogue as a volunteer,
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  we were stationed outside
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  the booth where he was
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  calling the Rogue Invitational.
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  We rode down on the elevator.
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  Always like a gentleman.
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  We talked about other sports.
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  We didn't even talk CrossFit.
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  We were talking football and
• 12:08
  hockey and all that kind of stuff.
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  And I really enjoyed my time.
• 12:12
  He was also one of the first 15 guests,
• 12:16
  maybe first 10 guests ever on this show.
• 12:19
  That's awesome.
• 12:20
  Before anybody knew who I even was,
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  he took the time to spend
• 12:24
  an hour with us.
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  I think it's like episode 13 or episode 12,
• 12:29
  something like that,
• 12:31
  that he came on the show.
• 12:33
  I think it's awesome.
• 12:34
  And I've told this story a million times.
• 12:36
  He was the local
• 12:37
  sportscaster when I lived in Tallahassee,
• 12:39
  Florida.
• 12:40
  So I saw him on TV when he
• 12:43
  was talking about Florida
• 12:44
  State football and Florida
• 12:46
  State baseball and all of
• 12:47
  that stuff back then.
• 12:49
  So it was cool that he then
• 12:51
  came into my world in the CrossFit space.
• 12:55
  But I do think this.
• 12:57
  I think his presence is
• 13:00
  going to be bigger now than it was.
• 13:03
  I think every other major
• 13:05
  event is going to do what
• 13:07
  they can to have him there.
• 13:08
  I agree.
• 13:10
  So I Roke has always hired him.
• 13:13
  He does strong man.
• 13:14
  He does all this stuff, right?
• 13:17
  What a Palooza Dubai.
• 13:19
  All those people are going
• 13:20
  to try to get Sean Woodland
• 13:21
  now because everybody,
• 13:23
  the demand is there.
• 13:25
  Yeah.
• 13:27
  And I think he's going to
• 13:28
  have a busy off season if
• 13:29
  he chooses to accept those positions.
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  Which I feel like he would,
• 13:34
  like he loves covering CrossFit.
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  So I would be shocked if he
• 13:38
  wasn't doing Rogue
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  Invitational and going to Scotland.
• 13:42
  He's for sure doing that in my mind.
• 13:45
  Do we know who's calling Masters?
• 13:49
  I don't.
• 13:52
  Petition for Sean.
• 13:55
  It was Annie, Sean and Bill.
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  three years ago at, in California.
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  No.
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  Well, maybe it may have too,
• 14:05
  but the one in California was Annie,
• 14:09
  Bill and, and Sean.
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  Cause I had an,
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  I actually walked up on the
• 14:13
  little stage I had and had
• 14:14
  an interview with them.
• 14:15
  That would be a great three.
• 14:17
  They were awesome.
• 14:18
  Yeah.
• 14:18
  That would be a great three.
• 14:20
  Yeah.
• 14:23
  Um, draw your daggers asking,
• 14:30
  I can't get this thing to work.
• 14:31
  Here we go.
• 14:32
  Why isn't Scott wearing the
• 14:33
  uniform like the rest of the gang?
• 14:34
  Yeah, Scott.
• 14:35
  Get it together.
• 14:37
  Actually,
• 14:38
  the temperature is down below 70 tonight.
• 14:40
  Oh, yeah.
• 14:41
  And my basement got really cold,
• 14:42
  so I had to go with the thick boy hoodie.
• 14:47
  My basement doesn't have much heat,
• 14:49
  so I go with... All right.
• 14:51
  So...
• 14:58
  I think we all miss Sean.
• 15:00
  I did see a post by him very
• 15:02
  recently that said,
• 15:04
  maybe it was a clip from their show,
• 15:06
  how much love he has felt.
• 15:09
  And he said,
• 15:09
  sometimes you have to have
• 15:10
  that in life to realize the
• 15:14
  effect you've had.
• 15:15
  And he said he always
• 15:17
  finishes every broadcast with like,
• 15:19
  I can't remember what it is exactly,
• 15:21
  but like be kind to one
• 15:23
  another or something to that effect.
• 15:26
  And he says that he wants to
• 15:28
  work harder at living by those words.
• 15:32
  Um,
• 15:33
  because of the love that was shown to
• 15:34
  him during, during this time.
• 15:38
  And I think that was pretty,
• 15:39
  pretty awesome.
• 15:40
  Yeah.
• 15:42
  It was really nice to read
• 15:43
  all the comments from Rory
• 15:46
  had a whole long paragraph,
• 15:48
  several paragraphs.
• 15:49
  That was,
• 15:49
  it was really cool to read some
• 15:50
  of that stuff.
• 15:52
  I couldn't believe the number of comments.
• 15:54
  I know.
• 15:56
  Like thousand.
• 15:57
  Yeah.
• 15:58
  Early,
• 15:58
  like six hours in like a thousand
• 16:01
  comments.
• 16:02
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:03
  Crazy.
• 16:05
  So, uh,
• 16:06
  another topic we wanted to talk
• 16:08
  about tonight was reps ahead.
• 16:10
  Uh, went down yesterday afternoon,
• 16:14
  last night, wherever you were in the,
• 16:17
  in the country.
• 16:17
  Um, and they actually had five matches, uh,
• 16:23
  two local matches, then three,
• 16:26
  three main events.
• 16:30
  No.
• 16:31
  One undercard.
• 16:33
  Two local matches.
• 16:35
  Jake Marconi and... Yep, that one.
• 16:38
  Malakai?
• 16:39
  Was that that one?
• 16:40
  Malakai and Jake?
• 16:41
  And then the three other matches.
• 16:44
  So six, yeah.
• 16:45
  Yeah.
• 16:47
  So...
• 16:49
  I wanted to put it in there.
• 16:50
  Carolyn beat me to the punch
• 16:51
  and put it on her notes.
• 16:54
  Her comment was,
• 16:55
  how do we like the format?
• 16:57
  So I have two comments about it.
• 17:01
  And there's a doodle.
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  A doodle.
• 17:05
  With a head as big as Carolyn.
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  Here.
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  So...
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  I watched every match for
• 17:15
  the first time and I will
• 17:17
  admit it's the first time I
• 17:18
  watched them all.
• 17:20
  I have two critical things,
• 17:22
  but overall I really
• 17:24
  enjoyed the broadcast and, uh, the,
• 17:28
  the format.
• 17:30
  So I want to hear from you
• 17:32
  and then I'll talk about the two things.
• 17:35
  Cause it's not overly critical.
• 17:36
  It's just small little tweaks.
• 17:38
  Yeah,
• 17:39
  I think I said this the last time
• 17:40
  they did the Rep's Head.
• 17:42
  I'm not a huge fan of the
• 17:45
  restarting at the top of
• 17:46
  the triplet or whatever it is.
• 17:49
  And I...
• 17:55
  I actually kind of wish this
• 17:56
  one would have gone more than the two,
• 17:58
  every single one was done
• 17:59
  in one or two rounds.
• 18:00
  And I wish some,
• 18:01
  some could have made it to the,
• 18:02
  to the third round at least.
• 18:05
  So I don't know.
• 18:06
  I don't know if it was the
• 18:07
  choice of the fastest low movement.
• 18:09
  What exactly got that hung up there?
• 18:12
  It.
• 18:13
  Yeah.
• 18:13
  I would have rather seen a
• 18:14
  couple go three more minutes.
• 18:18
  yeah I i agree with that one
• 18:20
  I remember like the other
• 18:22
  reps ahead like they almost
• 18:23
  went all the way to the
• 18:24
  length of yeah each round
• 18:26
  right yeah um yeah it's
• 18:29
  it's hard to predict uh
• 18:31
  like where they're gonna
• 18:31
  finish like last time they
• 18:32
  had double unders and it
• 18:34
  didn't seem to play as much
• 18:35
  like I thought those were
• 18:35
  just gonna accumulate super
• 18:37
  super fast and someone was
• 18:38
  gonna get ahead really really quickly
• 18:40
  And then this time,
• 18:41
  like if you got to the
• 18:42
  Chester bar and someone was
• 18:43
  getting fatigue on the barbell,
• 18:44
  like you're winning right away.
• 18:47
  But the concept is great.
• 18:50
  It's entertaining.
• 18:52
  You saw some really cool
• 18:53
  battles like Jake just
• 18:55
  tried to go for it and was
• 18:57
  running to the bar to try
• 18:58
  to get to the Chester bar.
• 18:59
  And then he just hit a wall, which was,
• 19:02
  you know,
• 19:02
  we've all been there before and it's.
• 19:04
  It's great to watch and just
• 19:06
  see how he was going to
• 19:07
  manage to hold on.
• 19:09
  And it was interesting to
• 19:11
  watch even like Paige versus Sydney.
• 19:14
  And they started with the
• 19:14
  step down and it almost
• 19:16
  looked like Sydney that in
• 19:17
  the second round wanted to
• 19:18
  catch her off guard and go.
• 19:22
  Hold on one second.
• 19:27
  Yeah, I think,
• 19:28
  I think the Marconi strategy
• 19:31
  was fun to watch.
• 19:33
  he was going to either win
• 19:34
  it in the first round or he
• 19:36
  was not going to win it.
• 19:37
  And that was his,
• 19:39
  that was his strategy right
• 19:40
  off the get-go.
• 19:42
  And he went all in.
• 19:43
  And when you go all in,
• 19:45
  sometimes you lose really big.
• 19:49
  Yeah.
• 19:50
  It was not surprising to me,
• 19:52
  but the being that we've
• 19:56
  all now been stepping down our box jumps,
• 19:59
  that was clearly the separator.
• 20:03
  In every single match,
• 20:03
  that was a separator.
• 20:05
  Huge separator.
• 20:06
  I want to talk about that
• 20:07
  after we talk about the
• 20:08
  format a little bit.
• 20:09
  Okay.
• 20:12
  So my two tweaks, and Carolyn,
• 20:14
  jump in if there's anything I miss,
• 20:16
  is one, any competition,
• 20:18
  I think the judge needs to
• 20:20
  be identified on the floor
• 20:22
  with either a hat, a shirt, or something.
• 20:26
  It just makes it look clunky
• 20:28
  when you have people in
• 20:30
  multiple different shirts
• 20:31
  all over the floor.
• 20:34
  And I know there was a judge
• 20:35
  running with each athlete,
• 20:37
  but they need to be in a
• 20:39
  dark shirt or something
• 20:40
  that signifies them as the
• 20:42
  authority on the floor.
• 20:44
  Some sort of uniform.
• 20:45
  Right.
• 20:46
  And it doesn't have to be big,
• 20:48
  just something that denotes
• 20:50
  they're the authority and
• 20:52
  they're running with the athlete.
• 20:54
  The other thing is...
• 20:57
  It became repetitive because
• 21:00
  of the slow to fast in the
• 21:03
  thruster to the chest to bar.
• 21:05
  And that's why they all seem
• 21:06
  to end the same way.
• 21:09
  The Jake one was a little
• 21:10
  bit different because of his strategy,
• 21:12
  but the others were all
• 21:13
  pretty much like this.
• 21:16
  One person got a little
• 21:17
  slower on the thruster.
• 21:18
  The other person hit the gas,
• 21:20
  got to the chest to bar,
• 21:22
  banged out as many as they
• 21:23
  could and won the match.
• 21:24
  Right.
• 21:25
  I just...
• 21:27
  And I think if I heard right,
• 21:30
  in the other reps ahead,
• 21:32
  there weren't many knockouts.
• 21:33
  They went the distance.
• 21:35
  Right.
• 21:36
  This one,
• 21:36
  they were all knockouts and they
• 21:38
  were all early.
• 21:39
  I think the pendulum just
• 21:40
  swung too far to the other side.
• 21:42
  And hopefully they figure
• 21:44
  out how to kind of get that
• 21:46
  pendulum more to the middle
• 21:48
  where you have a little bit of both.
• 21:50
  Yeah.
• 21:52
  And I do agree with you a
• 21:54
  little bit on that you have
• 21:56
  to start at the top.
• 21:57
  Because if you're a strong thruster person,
• 22:01
  you have the advantage
• 22:02
  because you're always going
• 22:03
  to get to start on your strength.
• 22:06
  Yeah.
• 22:08
  And I think that did make a
• 22:10
  difference for Sydney.
• 22:14
  For sure.
• 22:14
  Yeah.
• 22:15
  um and uh probably even kyra
• 22:20
  kyra's range of motion was
• 22:21
  so much smaller than
• 22:22
  kelly's that she made up
• 22:24
  that um yeah pretty quickly
• 22:30
  yeah I would say I mean I
• 22:32
  think they all kind of
• 22:33
  shook out about what I but
• 22:34
  I think like jamie said the
• 22:35
  box jumps were huge absolutely
• 22:42
  The Sydney one surprised me.
• 22:43
  I'll be honest.
• 22:45
  I thought Paige was going to beat Sydney.
• 22:47
  The rest of them kind of
• 22:48
  went how I thought.
• 22:50
  Sydney beating Paige was, I thought,
• 22:54
  a really cool thing to happen.
• 22:56
  That quickly surprised me.
• 22:58
  I wondered how much training
• 23:00
  Paige has been putting in.
• 23:04
  And she didn't seem to have
• 23:06
  that fire in her kind of
• 23:07
  even from the get-go.
• 23:08
  It almost looked like she
• 23:10
  was kind of just out there to have fun.
• 23:13
  But that rebounding spikes
• 23:16
  your heart rate immediately.
• 23:17
  So if you aren't practicing
• 23:18
  it and then you're going to thrusters,
• 23:20
  which spikes your heart rate immediately,
• 23:22
  like you're going to
• 23:23
  redline out the gate if
• 23:25
  that is not how you normally train.
• 23:29
  Okay, go ahead, Carolyn.
• 23:32
  It looked like she tried to
• 23:33
  match Sydney in the second
• 23:34
  round with the touch and go
• 23:37
  box jumps with like not the step down.
• 23:40
  And then she quickly
• 23:41
  resorted back to the step down.
• 23:43
  And it was just significantly slower.
• 23:45
  And once Sydney got to the
• 23:49
  to the chest of our like it
• 23:50
  was it was done.
• 23:50
  So I don't know if that's
• 23:53
  just like it wasn't worth
• 23:54
  it for her in the offseason to, you know,
• 23:57
  to push that.
• 23:58
  for her to go on like that
• 24:00
  touch and go and risk an injury.
• 24:02
  Um, it's almost like it would be, and,
• 24:05
  and the boys,
• 24:06
  and I think fee did that also in the last,
• 24:10
  um,
• 24:11
  reps ahead where they kind of made it
• 24:12
  where you couldn't rebound your,
• 24:14
  I think it was a hang power
• 24:15
  clean and you couldn't
• 24:16
  bounce it off your quads.
• 24:18
  Um, and just kind of make it fair game.
• 24:21
  Um, so I don't know if there was any,
• 24:22
  I mean,
• 24:23
  it looked like there wasn't like a,
• 24:24
  you know, between both of them,
• 24:26
  like a mutual agreement to be like, okay,
• 24:27
  let's,
• 24:28
  let's step down and then let's see
• 24:29
  who can win the race.
• 24:31
  Um,
• 24:32
  like people were doing both versions
• 24:34
  and it was just way slower to, to,
• 24:35
  to step down.
• 24:37
  It is.
• 24:40
  Aaron Frazier said,
• 24:41
  Sydney looked incredible,
• 24:42
  made me disappointed.
• 24:43
  She won't be at the games,
• 24:47
  but she's been training high rock.
• 24:48
  So we know she's been training.
• 24:51
  throughout this and she's
• 24:52
  doing like every comp she
• 24:54
  can according to her interview.
• 24:58
  Yeah.
• 24:59
  Um, so with the rebounding,
• 25:02
  there was a lot of talk
• 25:03
  last night that it, that it was,
• 25:05
  that there are people that
• 25:08
  feel that it should not be
• 25:09
  removed from the CrossFit
• 25:10
  game season and that it,
• 25:14
  and people aren't practicing
• 25:15
  it now because it has been removed.
• 25:17
  And so should it be
• 25:19
  something that you practice?
• 25:20
  Should it be added back in?
• 25:22
  Yeah,
• 25:24
  there you're never going to prevent
• 25:26
  every injury,
• 25:27
  but that does seem to cause
• 25:28
  a very common and devastating injury.
• 25:34
  Your thoughts.
• 25:39
  I mean, I like rebounding.
• 25:40
  I've done a lot of bounding
• 25:42
  my whole life with,
• 25:44
  um,
• 25:44
  the sports that I've done and type one.
• 25:46
  Oh, and I train a lot of, um,
• 25:47
  I don't know if you've seen
• 25:49
  like some of my training that I do.
• 25:50
  I do a lot of like single
• 25:51
  leg jumps and just repeated downing.
• 25:54
  So I don't know if I'm used to that.
• 25:56
  So I would like to see it to stay,
• 25:58
  to stay in,
• 25:58
  but I do know that there's a
• 25:59
  lot of injuries.
• 26:00
  Um, but we can't prevent like, it's hard.
• 26:03
  It's going to happen when
• 26:04
  it's going to happen.
• 26:04
  Like there was, I was watching, um,
• 26:06
  you know, the gymnastics this past
• 26:09
  weekend.
• 26:09
  I don't even know which day
• 26:10
  of the week it is now that
• 26:11
  I'm off for the summer.
• 26:12
  Um, but there was like two gymnasts that,
• 26:15
  you know, tore their Achilles this,
• 26:17
  this weekend, you know,
• 26:18
  at their Olympic trials.
• 26:19
  So like, it just, it's part of sports.
• 26:22
  It's unfortunate.
• 26:24
  Um, I'm not sure.
• 26:26
  Uh, I think maybe in the master's division,
• 26:28
  it's not necessary,
• 26:29
  but I think in the open division,
• 26:32
  let's go for it.
• 26:33
  That's, I don't know.
• 26:34
  Maybe I'm wrong thinking that.
• 26:36
  I mean, I just,
• 26:37
  I feel like it's sort of a
• 26:38
  self-preservation thing.
• 26:39
  Like you,
• 26:40
  you as an athlete have to make
• 26:42
  that choice.
• 26:42
  I, even if it was allowed,
• 26:44
  I would probably step down and sure.
• 26:47
  There's going to be events
• 26:48
  where that probably costs me,
• 26:51
  but I also think you, like,
• 26:53
  you see what that did to some people.
• 26:55
  So like, if it's a long enough workout,
• 26:58
  there's a risk reward to it in,
• 27:00
  in general,
• 27:01
  like just the cardio aspect of it.
• 27:03
  So, um,
• 27:06
  which sort of sucks.
• 27:07
  I wish this could have gone
• 27:08
  longer to see that,
• 27:09
  like that build up over
• 27:11
  time and what it did to
• 27:13
  some of these athletes that
• 27:14
  kept rebounding.
• 27:15
  That's where I,
• 27:16
  it sort of sucks for me
• 27:17
  that they only went like one round.
• 27:18
  Cause I would have liked to seen,
• 27:20
  could they even maintain that?
• 27:22
  But yeah,
• 27:23
  I don't know if it should be
• 27:24
  forced upon them to take it out.
• 27:26
  I think it should almost be your own.
• 27:28
  Like it's the same with the
• 27:29
  rope coming down the rope
• 27:30
  fast and how you come,
• 27:32
  if you want to jump down,
• 27:32
  like that's your own risk.
• 27:34
  Yeah.
• 27:37
  Aaron Fraser says,
• 27:38
  I think he's saying being
• 27:39
  durable is part of fitness.
• 27:41
  Yeah.
• 27:42
  And in one of the athlete
• 27:44
  interviews with Castro,
• 27:45
  one of the athletes said
• 27:46
  that you need to train durability.
• 27:49
  You need to know when your
• 27:51
  body needs rest.
• 27:53
  That is part of the game.
• 27:55
  Yep, it is.
• 27:58
  And I think you always...
• 28:02
  I think you always get the
• 28:04
  athlete's opinion is let us
• 28:06
  make the choice.
• 28:07
  Yeah.
• 28:08
  I think most people would lean that way.
• 28:12
  And that happens in the NFL
• 28:14
  all the time too.
• 28:14
  They try to legislate safety
• 28:17
  and the players are like, come on.
• 28:18
  Like it's, it's a game of collisions.
• 28:21
  People are going to get hurt.
• 28:25
  But the athlete always wants
• 28:28
  to make the decision themselves.
• 28:32
  So, okay.
• 28:33
  So now we're going back to
• 28:34
  the very beginning of the
• 28:35
  week and Don falls
• 28:36
  appearance on coffee pods and wads.
• 28:41
  I think this has been talked
• 28:42
  about to death all week,
• 28:44
  but I haven't had your
• 28:46
  opinions and I'd love to
• 28:48
  hear if you have any
• 28:49
  opinions about his take on
• 28:53
  my take,
• 28:55
  my sole take that I really take
• 28:56
  from this is the media
• 28:58
  thing that they are not
• 29:00
  putting out media.
• 29:02
  And then they're being
• 29:03
  critical of media on top of that.
• 29:06
  And I don't think you can
• 29:07
  have your cake and eat it too.
• 29:11
  Yeah.
• 29:12
  The whole outside company,
• 29:16
  like them not paying for
• 29:18
  this behind the scenes and
• 29:21
  it coming out whenever it's not like,
• 29:23
  is so strange to me it like
• 29:26
  like like they said it both
• 29:28
  said it like it was a good
• 29:29
  thing like they didn't even
• 29:30
  pay for it and I don't I
• 29:32
  don't think that's a good
• 29:33
  thing like so that didn't
• 29:37
  bug me that that part did
• 29:38
  not bother me that part
• 29:42
  Who cares if they put out a documentary?
• 29:45
  We have three behind the scenes.
• 29:47
  More than that.
• 29:48
  We have Craig Ritchie's.
• 29:50
  We have the Buttery Bros.
• 29:51
  We have Savan's.
• 29:52
  We have Mayhem's.
• 29:55
  If you want behind the scenes,
• 29:56
  we've got so much of it.
• 29:59
  Yeah,
• 29:59
  but did we need other people out
• 30:03
  there on the floor taking up space,
• 30:06
  taking up...
• 30:07
  like being in the way for
• 30:09
  something that probably the
• 30:10
  space doesn't even need.
• 30:11
  It's not even going to be
• 30:12
  distributed at a time that
• 30:14
  even makes sense.
• 30:16
  And I feel like part of the
• 30:18
  reason stuff isn't being
• 30:19
  put out is because they're
• 30:20
  relying on that or they're
• 30:21
  not sharing things because they're,
• 30:22
  they put their eggs in that
• 30:24
  basket and had they not
• 30:25
  even like gone down that road,
• 30:27
  maybe things like your
• 30:28
  interviews and some behind
• 30:30
  the scenes would have been
• 30:31
  shared and posted more.
• 30:37
  Yeah.
• 30:38
  I mean,
• 30:39
  they did share every episode of
• 30:40
  Savant's on their YouTube channel.
• 30:43
  So they did do that,
• 30:44
  and they didn't pay for that either.
• 30:47
  But they haven't shared
• 30:49
  hardly anything since.
• 30:51
  Right.
• 30:56
  Dry Your Dagger says,
• 30:57
  I'm just hoping they
• 30:58
  accidentally accept my
• 30:59
  MediaPass application
• 31:01
  because I don't think we get it.
• 31:05
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:06
  I...
• 31:07
  I bought my, for the first time ever,
• 31:09
  I bought my point ticket.
• 31:10
  Go ahead, Carolyn.
• 31:16
  If my internet's going,
• 31:19
  I don't know if my
• 31:19
  internet's going bad or not.
• 31:21
  Um, but I,
• 31:23
  like he talked about the media
• 31:24
  and obviously they can do
• 31:26
  better on YouTube and stuff like that.
• 31:28
  And I just feel like they
• 31:29
  keep saying that they could
• 31:30
  do more and like, they have these, like.
• 31:33
  little times during the year
• 31:34
  where you're like, Oh,
• 31:35
  I think something's happening.
• 31:36
  Like, you know,
• 31:37
  they're starting to post
• 31:38
  more and then it just stops.
• 31:39
  And it's just kind of that
• 31:40
  repetitive theme continuously.
• 31:42
  Like at one point you had
• 31:43
  like the magic of CrossFit
• 31:44
  where they were posting
• 31:45
  things on their Instagram
• 31:47
  and then it just kind of stopped.
• 31:48
  And like you were thinking
• 31:49
  that things were starting to go and yeah,
• 31:53
  it's the same,
• 31:54
  it's the same thing over and over.
• 31:56
  So they obviously know that
• 31:58
  the media is important,
• 31:59
  but there hasn't been significant change.
• 32:02
  That I've seen in the past few years.
• 32:07
  Yeah.
• 32:10
  Go ahead.
• 32:10
  Aaron Fraser says,
• 32:11
  why isn't the breaks at the
• 32:13
  games and semis full of
• 32:14
  affiliate commercials?
• 32:16
  I completely agree.
• 32:18
  In addition to that,
• 32:18
  I said this on my interview
• 32:20
  with Rudy and Lynette
• 32:22
  Berger this morning or this afternoon.
• 32:26
  Why didn't they put the
• 32:27
  Masters first and fill the breaks with
• 32:32
  reruns of the events during
• 32:34
  the games because someone
• 32:37
  was busy okay we don't have
• 32:44
  a yes yet so let's just
• 32:46
  let's just wait a week for
• 32:48
  that okay yeah I don't know
• 32:56
  it's just I've said this
• 32:57
  before I feel like don's
• 32:59
  just full of corporate
• 33:00
  speak and it's frustrating like
• 33:03
  it's just words and there's
• 33:05
  been no change and it's,
• 33:07
  it's incredibly frustrating.
• 33:10
  For the first time you, Jamie,
• 33:12
  you've been with me a long time.
• 33:14
  I have been a very staunch
• 33:15
  defender of Dawnfall.
• 33:17
  You have been patient and
• 33:20
  letting him have time.
• 33:21
  Yes.
• 33:22
  I felt like this interview
• 33:24
  this week was as
• 33:29
  tone deaf as I have heard in his time.
• 33:36
  Yeah.
• 33:40
  And I,
• 33:40
  and I hate to say I have truly been
• 33:43
  a strong supporter of him.
• 33:45
  You have.
• 33:47
  So have I,
• 33:48
  I like I've met him a few times
• 33:51
  and I thought like,
• 33:52
  I think he's super approachable.
• 33:55
  Um, like we've had great conversations.
• 34:00
  Every time I've talked to him,
• 34:01
  I felt like he's listening to me.
• 34:04
  And maybe that's why he's a CEO.
• 34:08
  But honestly,
• 34:10
  I feel like when you blame
• 34:15
  the lack of media on money...
• 34:19
  when there are 20 third
• 34:21
  party media people out
• 34:23
  producing you individually,
• 34:26
  not even as a group, individually,
• 34:28
  20 different media
• 34:29
  companies outperforming you
• 34:31
  and we have no budget here.
• 34:34
  Like there's nothing on our budget sheet.
• 34:37
  Correct.
• 34:38
  My wallet in my pocket.
• 34:40
  Yeah.
• 34:41
  That's it.
• 34:44
  And we put out more content
• 34:45
  than they do tenfold.
• 34:47
  Yep.
• 34:51
  that, that is so tone deaf.
• 34:54
  And I feel like every
• 34:56
  question that was asked of
• 34:57
  him was the same answer
• 34:59
  he's given in the past,
• 35:00
  but there's more evidence
• 35:03
  to the contrary now.
• 35:05
  And the answer isn't changing.
• 35:07
  Right.
• 35:10
  And I thought Pedro did a,
• 35:12
  a great job asking, you know,
• 35:13
  the right questions and he
• 35:15
  was trying to get certain answers.
• 35:17
  Um,
• 35:19
  Yeah.
• 35:19
  He was like, he interviews very well.
• 35:21
  Um,
• 35:22
  and we just weren't getting those
• 35:24
  specifics that we want to hear.
• 35:27
  He is so good at casually
• 35:29
  answering a asking
• 35:30
  questions that are very hard to ask,
• 35:34
  but making it sound like
• 35:36
  you're just sitting at the
• 35:36
  dining room table, having a chat.
• 35:40
  And I applaud him.
• 35:41
  He did a, he did an amazing job with that.
• 35:44
  Yes.
• 35:44
  Good stuff.
• 35:46
  Yeah.
• 35:46
  Good stuff.
• 35:47
  Good stuff.
• 35:52
  Denise Moore asks,
• 35:54
  does it feel a bit sleight of hand?
• 35:57
  It does.
• 35:58
  Or how much control does he really have?
• 36:04
  Is,
• 36:04
  is he just the voice box for this group
• 36:08
  that we never see?
• 36:13
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 36:14
  And I, I, I think that's a cop out too,
• 36:19
  though.
• 36:19
  Like I,
• 36:23
  To say like,
• 36:25
  it is the same with Rosa after a while,
• 36:27
  right?
• 36:27
  Like people are like, well,
• 36:28
  there's a board.
• 36:29
  He's not really in control.
• 36:30
  Like, well, I mean,
• 36:34
  maybe he shouldn't even be
• 36:35
  speaking for the board then.
• 36:38
  Like, I don't know.
• 36:38
  Like, it's just,
• 36:39
  it's just not a good look.
• 36:43
  Aaron Frazier, $49.99.
• 36:44
  Thank you.
• 36:45
  Thank you for your work and great content.
• 36:48
  Thank you, Aaron.
• 36:49
  Thank you.
• 36:50
  Thank you.
• 36:51
  We couldn't do it without
• 36:52
  the support of this audience.
• 36:54
  Thank you, Aaron.
• 37:01
  Yeah.
• 37:02
  I think we've,
• 37:03
  we've beat this horse to
• 37:04
  death and it's been beaten down all week,
• 37:06
  but I wanted you guys to
• 37:07
  have your platform to give that opinion.
• 37:11
  When he,
• 37:12
  when he talked about Hiller though,
• 37:14
  like I understand where he's coming from.
• 37:16
  Like there's a, Hiller has a way of,
• 37:20
  you know critiquing the
• 37:21
  company or critiquing
• 37:22
  members of um you know
• 37:26
  crossfit and going directly
• 37:28
  attacking at them while his
• 37:30
  points can be um great
• 37:33
  sometimes sometimes I don't
• 37:35
  agree with what he says
• 37:36
  there are moments where he
• 37:38
  directly attacks people and
• 37:41
  like he he's like you know
• 37:42
  you can critique things or
• 37:44
  whatever but don't critique
• 37:45
  specifically you know like that like
• 37:48
  you know,
• 37:49
  a person that's not asking for it
• 37:50
  or whatever.
• 37:52
  And like,
• 37:52
  I understand where he's coming from for,
• 37:54
  you know,
• 37:54
  that part of protecting his employees and,
• 37:57
  um, and stuff like that.
• 37:58
  Like I, you can't fault him for, you know,
• 38:01
  protecting the family.
• 38:03
  That's my opinion.
• 38:04
  Here's my only issue with it.
• 38:05
  There are,
• 38:06
  there are things that Hiller
• 38:07
  says I don't agree with.
• 38:08
  Right.
• 38:10
  But here, here's the thing.
• 38:14
  Don't lash out at Hiller on a podcast.
• 38:19
  that is not professional.
• 38:21
  It's not the way a
• 38:22
  professional organization
• 38:23
  responds to things like that.
• 38:26
  Have a reach out to Hiller privately,
• 38:30
  have a conversation like,
• 38:33
  and then sit at a table and
• 38:35
  have the discussion back
• 38:36
  and forth where maybe you
• 38:38
  can come to some commonality.
• 38:41
  I agree with that.
• 38:42
  I think there's discussions
• 38:43
  that they could have with him,
• 38:45
  have his input, um,
• 38:48
  ask, you know, what,
• 38:48
  what they can do better and
• 38:49
  just have like an actual
• 38:51
  adult conversation without
• 38:52
  everything going to YouTube.
• 38:55
  But I mean,
• 38:55
  that's how Hiller will make his,
• 38:57
  his money and grasp his, his audience.
• 39:00
  But that conversation needs
• 39:01
  to happen between CrossFit and him,
• 39:02
  right?
• 39:03
  Like it,
• 39:04
  it could get things better and
• 39:06
  it's not happening for whatever reason.
• 39:08
  They've kind of, you know,
• 39:11
  put a stop to any kind of
• 39:13
  conversation with him or, you know, just,
• 39:15
  don't want to share any of his stuff,
• 39:16
  even though some of it is great.
• 39:18
  Yeah.
• 39:21
  Like they could totally talk more.
• 39:23
  Well, I think that,
• 39:24
  I think that's it exactly is they,
• 39:27
  they've made it very clear that they,
• 39:29
  they don't want to talk to
• 39:30
  him and they don't want,
• 39:32
  They aren't even ingesting his stuff.
• 39:35
  Like that's frustrating when they're like,
• 39:38
  well, he's just abrasive.
• 39:39
  He just attacks people.
• 39:40
  He's like,
• 39:41
  you just don't like him and you
• 39:43
  aren't listening to him.
• 39:45
  And that's the bottom line
• 39:46
  because he is saying he,
• 39:48
  he does have constructive criticism.
• 39:51
  You are offended by things he say.
• 39:54
  And that's on you.
• 39:56
  Not like he doesn't normally
• 39:59
  say things that aren't,
• 40:02
  straight facts or said from
• 40:03
  someone else's mouth.
• 40:04
  So you're interpreting it
• 40:07
  how you want to interpret it.
• 40:09
  I don't know.
• 40:09
  I still think that there's
• 40:10
  some personal where he goes, you know,
• 40:13
  he continues to, to go at, you know,
• 40:17
  specific people when he could like,
• 40:18
  just get his point out in a different way,
• 40:20
  but it doesn't get the views and it's,
• 40:23
  you know,
• 40:23
  it doesn't get the people going
• 40:25
  the same way.
• 40:27
  But yeah.
• 40:30
  So Vi says, to be fair,
• 40:31
  he didn't go directly for Hiller.
• 40:32
  Peter asked him if he was
• 40:34
  alluding to Hiller,
• 40:35
  and he said something like, yes,
• 40:36
  him and others.
• 40:38
  Completely agree with that.
• 40:39
  Yeah, I agree with that.
• 40:42
  I just don't think they're
• 40:43
  consuming enough of his
• 40:46
  content to say that it's all bad.
• 40:51
  Which is a mistake because
• 40:53
  his reach is so big and you
• 40:56
  should have someone on your
• 40:57
  staff watching every single
• 40:58
  one of the videos and
• 40:59
  bringing back that
• 41:00
  information across it and
• 41:01
  having discussions.
• 41:02
  Is he right?
• 41:03
  What, you know, or do we agree,
• 41:05
  disagree or whatever, but yeah.
• 41:08
  Everybody's videos.
• 41:11
  Absolutely.
• 41:11
  Not just him.
• 41:12
  Everyone's everybody's
• 41:13
  because if it's good content, share it.
• 41:16
  Yes.
• 41:17
  If it's something you need
• 41:18
  to address internally and
• 41:19
  address it and then find
• 41:21
  out how to handle whatever it is.
• 41:24
  Maybe you need clarification.
• 41:25
  So to speak to Lex.
• 41:27
  Yeah.
• 41:28
  But what gives him the credentials?
• 41:29
  They owe him a conversation.
• 41:31
  I didn't say they owe him a conversation.
• 41:33
  I think it behooves them to
• 41:35
  have a conversation with him.
• 41:38
  One, to dampen the fire.
• 41:40
  Two,
• 41:40
  to find out clarifications as to what
• 41:44
  he's talking about.
• 41:45
  And maybe you can build a
• 41:49
  bridge over that
• 41:49
  miscommunication or
• 41:51
  understand what he's saying
• 41:52
  better that you can address that issue.
• 42:00
  Yeah,
• 42:00
  there should be someone dedicated to
• 42:02
  watching content.
• 42:04
  We do that for this show.
• 42:06
  Right.
• 42:07
  So that we can have these discussions.
• 42:10
  Yeah,
• 42:10
  because they should be like they
• 42:12
  should know what kind of
• 42:13
  conversations are in the space,
• 42:15
  whether they're they're reading Reddit or,
• 42:17
  you know, on YouTube or Instagram,
• 42:19
  like they should be aware
• 42:21
  of people's opinions.
• 42:23
  Now,
• 42:24
  a lot of times it's the same group of
• 42:26
  people on a lot of these
• 42:27
  podcasts and they can have
• 42:28
  a certain view that's very
• 42:30
  skewed in our community and
• 42:32
  maybe not reflective of
• 42:33
  everyone because you do see that.
• 42:37
  within some of the podcasts,
• 42:38
  but in general,
• 42:39
  like they should be
• 42:40
  watching every one of the videos.
• 42:42
  And, um,
• 42:43
  that's why I think not that they
• 42:45
  owe him a talk,
• 42:46
  but I think it would be in
• 42:47
  their best interest to have
• 42:49
  conversations with him.
• 42:50
  And, um, they don't owe him anything.
• 42:54
  No, nobody owes anything, anybody,
• 42:56
  anything at all.
• 42:58
  I'm just, I think in their best interest,
• 43:00
  they should, um,
• 43:03
  Sarah Cooper says they
• 43:04
  should pay me to do that.
• 43:05
  I watch all the content.
• 43:08
  Agreed.
• 43:09
  Agreed.
• 43:14
  I mean,
• 43:15
  I think they're poking the bear at
• 43:16
  this point and he's just
• 43:17
  going to keep playing.
• 43:19
  I think that's the problem.
• 43:21
  They're just making him angrier.
• 43:24
  Because while Peter's the
• 43:26
  one that brought up
• 43:26
  Hiller's name and Dave's Week in Review,
• 43:28
  which is our next topic,
• 43:30
  Dave brought up Hiller
• 43:32
  specifically and went after
• 43:33
  him for the same thing
• 43:35
  about personal attacks.
• 43:38
  And I am not condoning personal attacks.
• 43:42
  Again,
• 43:42
  I think that Hiller has a lot of
• 43:45
  good that comes out,
• 43:46
  but he also has some things
• 43:48
  I don't agree with.
• 43:51
  But I don't always
• 43:52
  understand what he's
• 43:53
  totally talking about either.
• 43:55
  And sometimes I need
• 43:57
  clarification as to what he's saying.
• 43:58
  Well,
• 44:00
  I think that there's been attacks on
• 44:01
  different communities
• 44:02
  within our community.
• 44:05
  From Hiller?
• 44:07
  Yes,
• 44:07
  there's been attacks on LGBTQ posts as
• 44:13
  of late.
• 44:13
  There's been just different
• 44:17
  comments and stuff like
• 44:18
  that that I don't agree with.
• 44:21
  I still think that there's
• 44:21
  been attacks on a lot of
• 44:23
  members of CrossFit while
• 44:25
  he's making his points that
• 44:27
  could be valid in certain
• 44:29
  people's eyes or not in others.
• 44:31
  There are attacks, I think,
• 44:33
  where I'm uncomfortable sometimes
• 44:36
  watching or consuming some
• 44:38
  of the content because I'm
• 44:39
  putting myself in people's
• 44:41
  you know having empathy
• 44:42
  towards certain individuals
• 44:44
  and there's just like a
• 44:44
  different way that you
• 44:45
  could approach certain um
• 44:49
  like there's certain uh
• 44:51
  topics or uh that you want
• 44:52
  to bring up without going
• 44:54
  you know directly that way
• 44:57
  yeah so so with that I i
• 45:03
  did want to talk a little
• 45:04
  bit about dave's week in review
• 45:07
  Because last week we did
• 45:08
  have a conversation about, well,
• 45:12
  let's finish it up.
• 45:12
  So he did go back after
• 45:13
  Hiller because of the,
• 45:15
  and I can't remember her name.
• 45:16
  Annette Revis.
• 45:18
  Annette Revis.
• 45:19
  Yes.
• 45:20
  Specifically, Dave did name that attack,
• 45:24
  that person, and Hiller all in the same.
• 45:29
  He didn't attack her.
• 45:33
  I mean,
• 45:33
  you may feel like he kept playing
• 45:35
  her statements and kept
• 45:36
  pointing things out,
• 45:37
  and you may feel like that's attack,
• 45:38
  but all he's doing is
• 45:40
  taking things that she put
• 45:41
  into public and highlighting it.
• 45:45
  So, like,
• 45:46
  and it's... It's not really our
• 45:52
  place to be offended for her.
• 45:54
  Like, you're choosing to be offended.
• 46:01
  If I am...
• 46:03
  if I am her,
• 46:04
  I probably feel like I'm attacked.
• 46:07
  Absolutely.
• 46:08
  And sometimes the biggest
• 46:10
  problem isn't necessarily
• 46:11
  with like Hiller himself.
• 46:13
  Like it's, he incites different people,
• 46:16
  like within his,
• 46:17
  it's the comments that gets
• 46:19
  out of hand sometimes
• 46:21
  within like the different
• 46:22
  posts or whatever,
• 46:23
  like those can get ugly sometimes.
• 46:28
  But like, I would feel attacked if I'm,
• 46:30
  if I was that lady.
• 46:38
  I don't know.
• 46:39
  I, I mean, I,
• 46:42
  I I'm assuming she probably
• 46:44
  does feel attacked, but that's her.
• 46:46
  That seems to me watching her,
• 46:48
  watching her words,
• 46:49
  that seems to be her
• 46:52
  identity is feeling attacked.
• 46:55
  So yes, I'm, I'm sure she feels attacked.
• 47:01
  Yeah.
• 47:03
  So
• 47:07
  So I think Carolyn's
• 47:10
  clarification on the LGBTQ
• 47:12
  stuff is in the comments.
• 47:16
  There, there,
• 47:17
  and there was a post made a
• 47:19
  week and a half ago and the
• 47:21
  comments were horrible to read,
• 47:26
  horrible to read.
• 47:27
  That's not Hiller though.
• 47:28
  But that's what I'm saying.
• 47:29
  It's no,
• 47:29
  but he's posting something to draw
• 47:31
  attention in our community
• 47:33
  and talking about the pronouns and stuff.
• 47:35
  And it, and it,
• 47:36
  it was bad in the comments.
• 47:38
  Um,
• 47:39
  and it's disappointing as an athlete
• 47:41
  within that community, just like,
• 47:42
  even though some of it
• 47:43
  might not be towards me or just, you know,
• 47:44
  other ones are my friends
• 47:46
  and you're reading some of
• 47:47
  the comments from people in
• 47:48
  our community and whether
• 47:49
  it's athletes liking the
• 47:50
  post or writing within things,
• 47:53
  it's hurtful because it's
• 47:55
  people that I care about and it's just,
• 47:58
  yeah, it gets ugly in the comments.
• 48:01
  And that might not be his intention,
• 48:04
  but that's what came out of it.
• 48:05
  And I just think that
• 48:06
  there's some posts that are
• 48:07
  unnecessary to do,
• 48:10
  and there's better things
• 48:11
  to talk about and more
• 48:12
  important things to talk
• 48:13
  about within our space than
• 48:15
  to bring certain things up
• 48:17
  that just creates a divide
• 48:18
  within our community for no reason.
• 48:20
  Like this community is more inclusive,
• 48:24
  than any other community
• 48:25
  that I've ever been a part of.
• 48:26
  I mean, women's hockey is pretty,
• 48:29
  it's pretty inclusive, you know,
• 48:31
  and it is like, like I'm very proud to be,
• 48:35
  you know,
• 48:35
  a part of this CrossFit
• 48:36
  community and it just,
• 48:38
  it's disappointing and
• 48:39
  hurtful when you see some
• 48:40
  of the comments and it just
• 48:42
  gets spread like horrible.
• 48:44
  So that's,
• 48:46
  you're alluding to the one that
• 48:47
  I was talking about, Scott.
• 48:52
  so, and I, and I,
• 48:54
  and I don't read a lot of comments.
• 48:55
  That's not something that I generally do.
• 48:57
  So I,
• 48:58
  I'm not aware of those when they happen,
• 49:00
  but it was,
• 49:02
  Karen and I had a discussion
• 49:03
  about it last week.
• 49:04
  And I know that that happened there.
• 49:06
  So I just wanted to clarify, no,
• 49:09
  it wasn't Hiller's words.
• 49:10
  It was in the comments, but
• 49:14
  it gets,
• 49:15
  I'm sure if you're part of that community,
• 49:18
  it does get very hard to read.
• 49:21
  And again,
• 49:21
  I don't read comments generally
• 49:24
  on anything.
• 49:25
  So I didn't see what exactly was said,
• 49:29
  but I can go back and look at that.
• 49:35
  So the other thing I wanted
• 49:37
  to bring up with Dave is we
• 49:39
  talked about it last week
• 49:40
  and him trying to interview
• 49:41
  all 80 athletes.
• 49:44
  And I said on this show that
• 49:46
  he wasn't going to get more
• 49:47
  than 18 of the 80.
• 49:49
  I think he's going to get you there.
• 49:52
  He's going to get me there.
• 49:53
  I'm pretty sure.
• 49:54
  Because he was banging out a
• 49:56
  bunch this weekend.
• 49:58
  And I'm trying to keep up, but it's tough.
• 50:02
  The other thing I said is I
• 50:03
  felt like it was a conflict of interest.
• 50:06
  And I may be softening on
• 50:07
  that stance a little bit,
• 50:10
  watching how they're playing out.
• 50:15
  Because it is a fact.
• 50:18
  He did not know most of the
• 50:19
  athletes that were
• 50:20
  competing at the CrossFit Games.
• 50:25
  He is not aware of times
• 50:29
  when what the people were
• 50:31
  strong or weak at, anything.
• 50:34
  And I don't think a
• 50:35
  10-minute interview is
• 50:37
  going to all of a sudden make him think,
• 50:40
  well,
• 50:41
  I like this person and they said
• 50:42
  they were strong in this.
• 50:45
  I don't think he's going to
• 50:46
  retain that much stuff.
• 50:49
  The other thing I'm going to
• 50:49
  say is I have really
• 50:51
  thoroughly enjoyed them
• 50:53
  because he doesn't know who they are.
• 50:57
  And the questions he's
• 50:58
  asking seem to be very rudimentary,
• 51:06
  but they are actually very endearing.
• 51:10
  And if you're new to CrossFit...
• 51:13
  they're a great thing to
• 51:14
  kind of learn about the
• 51:15
  athletes because they are a
• 51:17
  quick hit 10 to 13 minutes
• 51:20
  of basic information about
• 51:22
  this athlete and maybe a
• 51:24
  fun story or two.
• 51:25
  Yeah.
• 51:29
  Yeah.
• 51:29
  I've enjoyed listening to them.
• 51:32
  I think he's,
• 51:33
  they're getting better and
• 51:34
  better as he's done more of them.
• 51:37
  And at first with like, with the first one,
• 51:39
  I thought it was going to
• 51:40
  be more of a conflict of interest.
• 51:42
  Same as you.
• 51:43
  And,
• 51:43
  I think he's actually
• 51:44
  learning more about the
• 51:45
  athletes now and asking
• 51:46
  different questions than
• 51:47
  just what are your
• 51:48
  strengths and weaknesses
• 51:49
  and what do you want to see at the games?
• 51:50
  What do you not want to see at the games?
• 51:51
  I think he's kind of staying
• 51:52
  more away from that.
• 51:54
  And I've learned more things
• 51:56
  about the athletes in the
• 51:56
  last little bit.
• 51:58
  So I think it's been fine
• 52:00
  now and I don't know,
• 52:01
  I think he's going to get almost all 80.
• 52:04
  Do you think,
• 52:06
  I know we had heard that
• 52:07
  there were some athletes
• 52:08
  who didn't want to do it.
• 52:09
  Do you think some are changing their mind?
• 52:15
  I don't know.
• 52:15
  I'm not sure.
• 52:16
  I, uh,
• 52:19
  I think there are probably going to
• 52:20
  be people that don't do it.
• 52:23
  And he says like, listen,
• 52:24
  the only ones of the 80 I'm
• 52:25
  not getting are people that
• 52:27
  tell me they don't want to do it.
• 52:28
  Right.
• 52:29
  Right.
• 52:29
  I'm guessing someone has
• 52:30
  said that already.
• 52:32
  Yeah.
• 52:34
  Uh, but so with that,
• 52:39
  I'm with you, Carolyn.
• 52:40
  I think the athletes he knew better,
• 52:42
  he was asking the strengths
• 52:44
  and weaknesses to kind of
• 52:45
  poke at them more than try
• 52:47
  to learn something.
• 52:49
  Yeah.
• 52:49
  Like see if they would
• 52:50
  actually answer or be
• 52:52
  willing to tell him that.
• 52:54
  And as he's getting into the athletes,
• 52:56
  he doesn't know he's not poking at them.
• 52:58
  He's really just trying to
• 52:59
  learn like how they got there.
• 53:01
  Great.
• 53:07
  I see everybody saying the
• 53:08
  Ruan interview was really great.
• 53:12
  I thought it was too.
• 53:13
  And he was very forthright.
• 53:15
  The Cole Sager one was
• 53:16
  really doggone good.
• 53:17
  I haven't seen that one.
• 53:24
  It was almost like two
• 53:27
  highly educated people in
• 53:29
  their field having a
• 53:31
  conversation about how
• 53:33
  things should be done.
• 53:35
  And as a person of faith myself at the end,
• 53:38
  Dave was asking questions
• 53:40
  about Cole's faith.
• 53:43
  Um,
• 53:45
  after reading the Bible and wanting to
• 53:47
  talk to Cole more, not in this setting,
• 53:50
  but maybe getting together
• 53:51
  at the games or another
• 53:53
  place where they could discuss more.
• 53:55
  Wow.
• 53:55
  And I could not believe I
• 53:57
  was actually hearing that.
• 54:01
  Yeah.
• 54:01
  I noticed that at the end,
• 54:02
  like it was like,
• 54:03
  we'll talk more about it.
• 54:04
  Um,
• 54:05
  like at the games or somewhere.
• 54:07
  That's cool.
• 54:10
  And, and Cole was really good about like,
• 54:13
  just being around for so
• 54:17
  long and trying to figure
• 54:18
  out like how to train
• 54:20
  during this time of the year.
• 54:23
  They, they've all been really good.
• 54:24
  Brandon, Brandon's was great.
• 54:26
  James's was great.
• 54:28
  Uh,
• 54:32
  I think all that was,
• 54:33
  I've enjoyed all of it.
• 54:35
  Jason Hoppers was great.
• 54:38
  Started out a mess.
• 54:39
  Typical.
• 54:40
  Typical Hopper.
• 54:43
  Yeah.
• 54:43
  Lost internet connection.
• 54:45
  Yeah.
• 54:47
  Yeah, Dallins was great.
• 54:48
  Like, they all, Saxon,
• 54:50
  Saxon asking the question,
• 54:52
  and I thought this was one
• 54:54
  of the best nuggets.
• 54:55
  To win the money at the CrossFit Games,
• 54:57
  should you have your L1?
• 54:58
  Hmm.
• 55:03
  And, and Saxon believes that you should,
• 55:06
  Dave said he thinks you should,
• 55:07
  but they're never going to
• 55:08
  go to that because it just isn't fair,
• 55:10
  but it brings up a,
• 55:12
  like a point of
• 55:13
  reconnecting the community
• 55:15
  with the athletes.
• 55:18
  Yeah.
• 55:21
  Which Saxon has been pushing.
• 55:22
  I mean, caught that in some of his media.
• 55:24
  Yeah.
• 55:25
  Yeah.
• 55:27
  So really good stuff and
• 55:30
  really turned me around this week.
• 55:35
  That's it.
• 55:35
  Same here.
• 55:37
  Everybody's asking him one question,
• 55:39
  right?
• 55:41
  Most of them are saying,
• 55:41
  what are you most excited about?
• 55:43
  And every time he answers, the venue.
• 55:45
  I know.
• 55:47
  Yeah.
• 55:47
  Let's come up with something else, guys.
• 55:54
  Someone asked something different today,
• 55:55
  though.
• 55:56
  I forget what it was.
• 55:58
  Maybe it was Cole that asked
• 55:59
  something different.
• 56:01
  It wasn't that question
• 56:02
  about what are you most excited about.
• 56:04
  I have to think about what it was.
• 56:05
  A couple people asked how he
• 56:07
  comes up with his themes.
• 56:09
  Yeah.
• 56:09
  Maybe that's why.
• 56:11
  Yeah.
• 56:15
  So.
• 56:17
  They're getting better,
• 56:19
  and I'm enjoying them a lot.
• 56:22
  Yeah.
• 56:22
  Yeah.
• 56:23
  But really, I hope he gets to all of them,
• 56:26
  and I hope everybody does it.
• 56:28
  It's funny, though.
• 56:29
  As he started,
• 56:30
  they were truly like eight
• 56:31
  to nine minutes.
• 56:32
  And as he's going,
• 56:33
  they're getting a little
• 56:34
  tiny bit longer each time,
• 56:36
  where we're at like 13 to 14 minutes now.
• 56:40
  And this started as a five
• 56:41
  to 10-minute thing.
• 56:45
  And I think Dallin, was it Dallin?
• 56:46
  No, Saxon.
• 56:47
  He was trying to board a plane,
• 56:49
  and Saxon didn't want to let him go.
• 56:54
  That sounds about right.
• 56:55
  They're talkers.
• 56:58
  Yeah.
• 56:59
  So a quick hitter that we
• 57:01
  wanted to talk about just quick,
• 57:03
  because we don't have a lot
• 57:04
  of details right now,
• 57:06
  is the Pitt Mentorship Program.
• 57:09
  The Pitt Fitness Ranch and
• 57:12
  the CrossFit Games for the
• 57:13
  Teen Division set up a
• 57:15
  mentorship program.
• 57:17
  And the mentors for this
• 57:18
  program are our very own Carolyn Prevost,
• 57:22
  Ty Jenkins, Ariel Loewen, Pat,
• 57:27
  James Sprague, Noah, Saxon, Spencer,
• 57:33
  Paige Semenza, Tim Paulson,
• 57:36
  Matthew Rattay, Alex Kazan, Alexis Raptus,
• 57:39
  Carly Matthews, Dallin Pepper,
• 57:41
  Griffin Rall, and Con Porter.
• 57:44
  So these are some amazing
• 57:46
  high-level elite athletes.
• 57:49
  pouring into the teen
• 57:50
  division that we have now.
• 57:53
  And you had your welcome call, right,
• 57:55
  Carolyn?
• 57:57
  It wasn't a call yet.
• 57:58
  I think we'll have to set
• 57:59
  something up in the next week or two,
• 58:01
  which will be hard to
• 58:02
  coordinate because there's
• 58:03
  different time zones and
• 58:04
  everything like that.
• 58:04
  So it's just kind of meeting them.
• 58:06
  I'm working specifically with Ty Jenkins.
• 58:10
  And we've got,
• 58:11
  I think they're all girls in the 14, 15,
• 58:15
  I think one 16 to 17-year-old
• 58:19
  um, yeah,
• 58:20
  so just learning a lot about them.
• 58:22
  Uh,
• 58:22
  a lot of them have gymnastics
• 58:24
  background and found CrossFit through, um,
• 58:28
  their family that was doing it and, um,
• 58:31
  have a lot of them have
• 58:33
  specialized now in CrossFit, um,
• 58:36
  where they're,
• 58:37
  they're focused solely on that,
• 58:38
  which is interesting
• 58:38
  because me and Ty both come
• 58:40
  from four sport backgrounds of, you know,
• 58:44
  doing CrossFit with other sports.
• 58:46
  So I think that's something
• 58:47
  that we'll try to talk to them about,
• 58:50
  you know,
• 58:51
  whether it's during the rest day
• 58:52
  or after the games, exploring, you know,
• 58:54
  different activities just
• 58:55
  to find a balance within
• 58:58
  their training and that style,
• 59:01
  which can be very difficult.
• 59:03
  And especially coming from gymnastics,
• 59:04
  which is a very perfectionist sport,
• 59:07
  right?
• 59:08
  It can be very hard on
• 59:09
  yourself as an athlete when
• 59:10
  you continue in another
• 59:11
  individualized sport with
• 59:13
  the standards and the
• 59:14
  pressure of CrossFit.
• 59:15
  So I think just, you know,
• 59:16
  exploring whether it's just
• 59:17
  recreationally or, or doing other,
• 59:20
  other sports could be,
• 59:21
  I think beneficial to this
• 59:23
  group that I'm particularly mentoring.
• 59:28
  I want to ask one quick follow-up to this.
• 59:31
  When you,
• 59:32
  when we watched the Cole
• 59:33
  interview with Dave,
• 59:34
  that's the one question
• 59:35
  that was different too,
• 59:36
  where is he looking for
• 59:39
  that division one athlete who,
• 59:41
  to jump into CrossFit and be
• 59:43
  able to be good.
• 59:45
  And Dave's response was that
• 59:47
  used to be his hope that
• 59:49
  like someone from another
• 59:50
  sport could come in and do well.
• 59:52
  Now he hopes that the teen
• 59:55
  division that they've built
• 59:57
  produces the best athletes.
• 1:00:01
  If you had,
• 1:00:02
  if you had three minutes with Dave,
• 1:00:05
  would you plead with him that,
• 1:00:08
  that the athletes needed to
• 1:00:10
  play other sports as well?
• 1:00:12
  Yes,
• 1:00:13
  I will always think that CrossFit is a
• 1:00:18
  great way to train for
• 1:00:19
  their sport and supplement their training,
• 1:00:24
  whether they're playing volleyball,
• 1:00:27
  basketball, hockey,
• 1:00:28
  whatever sport that they're doing.
• 1:00:29
  I think CrossFit is a great
• 1:00:30
  way to help out their sport.
• 1:00:33
  And it's always going to be there.
• 1:00:35
  I think, I mean,
• 1:00:36
  it's not like they're that
• 1:00:37
  young specializing.
• 1:00:38
  Like in high school,
• 1:00:39
  you start seeing specialized
• 1:00:41
  um athletes in different
• 1:00:42
  sports so I don't think
• 1:00:44
  it's the end of the world
• 1:00:45
  that some of them are
• 1:00:46
  specializing but I do think
• 1:00:47
  that there's benefit to
• 1:00:48
  doing other things uh
• 1:00:50
  whether it's you know
• 1:00:52
  socially um playing team
• 1:00:54
  sports or just learning
• 1:00:56
  from different coaches or
• 1:00:58
  being more adaptable in
• 1:01:00
  life I think there's a lot
• 1:01:01
  of benefits to to just
• 1:01:03
  doing other things than
• 1:01:04
  just putting all your eggs
• 1:01:06
  in one basket and the thing
• 1:01:08
  with crossfit is
• 1:01:10
  there's no scholarship, right?
• 1:01:12
  So like I had my whole
• 1:01:14
  education paid for with a
• 1:01:16
  full ride in hockey.
• 1:01:17
  And, you know,
• 1:01:18
  when these athletes are
• 1:01:19
  quitting everything and
• 1:01:21
  going all in on CrossFit, a lot of times,
• 1:01:24
  you know,
• 1:01:24
  they're pushing back going to university.
• 1:01:26
  They're trying to make that
• 1:01:27
  jump from the teenagers to
• 1:01:29
  the CrossFit games.
• 1:01:29
  And very few people have
• 1:01:31
  been able to do that jump pretty quickly,
• 1:01:35
  right?
• 1:01:35
  Like you've seen,
• 1:01:36
  The Emma Carries, the Mal O'Briens,
• 1:01:38
  the Emma Lawsons, the Olivia.
• 1:01:40
  And now you're seeing James
• 1:01:41
  and Dallin and I could go on.
• 1:01:44
  There's a few others like
• 1:01:44
  Tudor that are coming from
• 1:01:46
  the teen programs.
• 1:01:48
  But I think, you know,
• 1:01:50
  getting that education paid
• 1:01:51
  for was awesome.
• 1:01:54
  And if I could have done
• 1:01:55
  CrossFit to help me for hockey,
• 1:01:57
  I would like I wish I could
• 1:01:58
  have done that.
• 1:02:00
  But I always think being an athlete,
• 1:02:03
  there's very, very,
• 1:02:04
  very few people that will
• 1:02:05
  make a career out of CrossFit.
• 1:02:09
  Draw your dagger.
• 1:02:10
  You can't jump into CrossFit
• 1:02:11
  now and be competitive right away,
• 1:02:13
  no matter how good of an athlete you are.
• 1:02:18
  Do you think – I mean,
• 1:02:20
  do you think that's a
• 1:02:21
  problem that we've promoted
• 1:02:24
  this teen games to this level?
• 1:02:27
  Like, is it a –
• 1:02:31
  does it need to be something
• 1:02:32
  a little bit different?
• 1:02:33
  Like, like more like seeing things like,
• 1:02:37
  like the combine type
• 1:02:38
  testing or like the softball toss,
• 1:02:40
  like trying to throw in
• 1:02:42
  specific sport elements
• 1:02:43
  into this to actually get like,
• 1:02:45
  not make it so CrossFitty like,
• 1:02:49
  should we transform the
• 1:02:50
  team games aspect?
• 1:02:51
  So it isn't like,
• 1:02:52
  we're just throwing you into the games.
• 1:02:55
  I don't think they need to, um,
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, I don't know for that.
• 1:03:03
  I mean,
• 1:03:03
  if you're going into CrossFit games
• 1:03:07
  as a teen,
• 1:03:08
  you're just specializing in
• 1:03:09
  CrossFit if you want to get good at it.
• 1:03:10
  I mean,
• 1:03:11
  I'm sure there's some that are
• 1:03:12
  doing other sports,
• 1:03:13
  but you are seeing more and
• 1:03:15
  more people focus only on CrossFit.
• 1:03:18
  And that's where I think you
• 1:03:20
  see burnouts happening or
• 1:03:22
  just a change of mind, which I mean,
• 1:03:24
  that's sports.
• 1:03:24
  There's burnout in every sport.
• 1:03:27
  And certain people are able to
• 1:03:30
  to be more in tune with
• 1:03:31
  their body or have that
• 1:03:33
  little bit more balance in their life to,
• 1:03:35
  to not fall into that burnout stage.
• 1:03:38
  But yeah, I mean, it's, uh,
• 1:03:44
  like CrossFit will always be there.
• 1:03:45
  And I think there's,
• 1:03:47
  there's certain
• 1:03:47
  opportunities to do other things too.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  And I think even people like
• 1:03:53
  Dallin Pepper played high
• 1:03:54
  school sports as well as, um,
• 1:03:58
  James Sprague was a swimmer.
• 1:03:59
  James did some other things
• 1:04:01
  in high school as well.
• 1:04:03
  So I think that gets misleading.
• 1:04:07
  Sometimes people think they
• 1:04:08
  just did CrossFit and specialized.
• 1:04:11
  But you are seeing that now.
• 1:04:13
  And I think my answer to you, Jamie,
• 1:04:15
  is anytime you put a sport
• 1:04:17
  on ESPN these days,
• 1:04:20
  whatever that sport is,
• 1:04:21
  there are going to be kids
• 1:04:23
  or parents that want their
• 1:04:24
  children to specialize.
• 1:04:26
  Yes.
• 1:04:31
  Uh,
• 1:04:31
  there are people arguing that Abby
• 1:04:33
  Domet jumped into the sport and was good.
• 1:04:36
  It still took her two years
• 1:04:37
  to make the games, which is pretty rare.
• 1:04:40
  I think you could do that in
• 1:04:41
  2014 and before maybe,
• 1:04:43
  maybe a little bit after that,
• 1:04:45
  but in this CrossFit that
• 1:04:47
  we're seeing now in this new generation,
• 1:04:48
  that's extremely rare.
• 1:04:50
  What, uh, Abby Domet has done in terms of,
• 1:04:55
  um,
• 1:04:56
  making the games in like
• 1:04:57
  basically her second year
• 1:04:59
  and now winning the
• 1:05:01
  semifinal in her third year.
• 1:05:03
  Like that's very, very rare.
• 1:05:05
  But she has some sort of,
• 1:05:06
  I think it was like a
• 1:05:08
  cheerleading background or
• 1:05:09
  a tumbling background.
• 1:05:10
  Gymnastics.
• 1:05:11
  Gymnastics background, which always helps.
• 1:05:15
  So Michael Park is doubting our count.
• 1:05:18
  We interviewed Abby back in 2022.
• 1:05:22
  She had been doing the sport
• 1:05:23
  for a year at that point.
• 1:05:27
  So 2022, she did not make the games.
• 1:05:30
  2023, she did.
• 1:05:30
  2024 has made it again.
• 1:05:36
  She's been competing since 21.
• 1:05:38
  Didn't she start in like COVID, like 20?
• 1:05:42
  Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Right.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  But the first time we interviewed her,
• 1:05:45
  like she had been doing it
• 1:05:46
  for a year or a little more.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  At that point.
• 1:05:51
  And you can go,
• 1:05:52
  all the interviews are
• 1:05:52
  still out on YouTube.
• 1:05:54
  We interviewed her every
• 1:05:55
  year she made semifinals.
• 1:05:59
  I still think it's pretty
• 1:06:00
  rare in this generation of
• 1:06:02
  CrossFitters to come up as
• 1:06:04
  quickly as she did.
• 1:06:05
  It's a rare thing.
• 1:06:13
  The next thing is the Service Cup.
• 1:06:16
  Congratulations to our very
• 1:06:17
  own Carolyn Prevost,
• 1:06:18
  who is the fittest educator in the world.
• 1:06:23
  I'm just going to pull this up real quick.
• 1:06:26
  Holly did a great graphic
• 1:06:28
  congratulating all the athletes.
• 1:06:31
  And I can barely see the arrow.
• 1:06:37
  There we go.
• 1:06:38
  So there's Carolyn as educator.
• 1:06:41
  Kelly Benfie, who's a friend of the show,
• 1:06:43
  one for medical professional.
• 1:06:49
  And there's Carolyn.
• 1:06:51
  Daniel Hegg, one for military veteran.
• 1:06:56
  Shanna Lowey,
• 1:06:57
  one for active duty military.
• 1:06:59
  Autumn Mills,
• 1:07:01
  one for law enforcement officer.
• 1:07:05
  Bailey Strachan,
• 1:07:08
  one for female firefighter.
• 1:07:09
  And then first responder, Kelly Pashowitz.
• 1:07:15
  And EMS responder, Kendall Watt.
• 1:07:22
  And trainer was Allie Zerke,
• 1:07:25
  Colton Merton's very own fiance.
• 1:07:30
  Aaron Snellgrove is affiliate owner.
• 1:07:34
  And so congratulations to
• 1:07:36
  those ladies for winning their divisions.
• 1:07:40
  Here is the competitive male,
• 1:07:43
  and it was Brad Heimer,
• 1:07:44
  one for medical professional.
• 1:07:47
  matt carden one for educator
• 1:07:50
  bruce thomas for military
• 1:07:53
  veteran seth a bear or
• 1:07:57
  hebert or yeah he for uh
• 1:08:00
  active duty casey
• 1:08:02
  mcallister for law
• 1:08:04
  enforcement officer sergio
• 1:08:07
  bracino for firefighter
• 1:08:10
  Andrew Doman for first responder,
• 1:08:12
  Chris Neskey for ESM AMS
• 1:08:15
  and Coben plus singer for
• 1:08:18
  CrossFit trainer.
• 1:08:20
  And finally Ben wise for affiliate owner.
• 1:08:28
  And there's that
• 1:08:30
  congratulations to
• 1:08:31
  everybody who participated
• 1:08:33
  in the service cup games
• 1:08:36
  and beat Dave Castro.
• 1:08:41
  which it was a slew of you all.
• 1:08:43
  Yes.
• 1:08:47
  So the next thing on the
• 1:08:48
  docket is coaching news.
• 1:08:51
  Oh boy.
• 1:08:52
  It was announced on
• 1:08:53
  Wednesday that Kiefer Leami Lamy,
• 1:08:59
  I never can pronounce it right.
• 1:09:00
  Uh, left underdogs and went to proven, uh,
• 1:09:07
  And in response to that,
• 1:09:09
  Underdogs named Casey Acree
• 1:09:11
  as head coach and head of
• 1:09:13
  programming for Underdogs Athletics.
• 1:09:15
  Yep.
• 1:09:20
  Kiefer is taking all of his
• 1:09:22
  athletes with him,
• 1:09:24
  but he is giving them the
• 1:09:25
  option to fly whichever
• 1:09:27
  flag they feel comfortable
• 1:09:28
  with for this year.
• 1:09:31
  And so... And Lynn, Casey...
• 1:09:35
  has always been an underdogs coach.
• 1:09:37
  He's been there for a couple of years,
• 1:09:39
  but he has just been
• 1:09:40
  promoted from regular coach to, uh,
• 1:09:44
  head coach and head of programming.
• 1:09:49
  Um, so yeah, so that's really awesome.
• 1:09:55
  But all this happened six
• 1:09:56
  weeks before the games.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  It seems like, yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Does it have an effect if
• 1:10:03
  all the athletes are staying with Kiefer?
• 1:10:08
  No.
• 1:10:10
  I mean, they have their coach.
• 1:10:11
  It doesn't like the brand doesn't matter.
• 1:10:16
  You're people.
• 1:10:18
  Here's my thing that I do
• 1:10:19
  find fascinating from a
• 1:10:22
  drama perspective is that
• 1:10:23
  they plan on continuing to
• 1:10:25
  be in Vegas and at the
• 1:10:28
  moment are still working
• 1:10:29
  out at Camp Rhino.
• 1:10:30
  That's weird.
• 1:10:36
  That has got to be tough.
• 1:10:39
  And when Alex Kazan was on Savan,
• 1:10:42
  she says she's actually
• 1:10:43
  training more out of Camp
• 1:10:44
  Rhino North now than the Camp Rhino South,
• 1:10:48
  which is where everybody else is at.
• 1:10:52
  And a few of the athletes
• 1:10:53
  are coming up there to train with her.
• 1:10:56
  I guess it's hard to say
• 1:10:57
  because if he was...
• 1:10:59
  you know,
• 1:10:59
  it depends on the relationship and how,
• 1:11:01
  how the,
• 1:11:02
  the ties got cut at the end of it.
• 1:11:04
  Like if he was off offered
• 1:11:05
  like a huge opportunity,
• 1:11:07
  like let's say money wise.
• 1:11:08
  And he had a discussion with
• 1:11:10
  Justin and it was like,
• 1:11:11
  this is an opportunity that I have.
• 1:11:13
  And like, this is, you know,
• 1:11:16
  I have to like,
• 1:11:16
  what do you think I should take it?
• 1:11:18
  And if Justin says, you know,
• 1:11:19
  like I not able to match
• 1:11:20
  that and I fully understand, you know,
• 1:11:23
  if you're going, like,
• 1:11:24
  you just don't know how the
• 1:11:25
  discussions were.
• 1:11:25
  And if it was, you know,
• 1:11:27
  something like that, I don't,
• 1:11:29
  see like a huge issue with
• 1:11:32
  maybe training with under
• 1:11:33
  the same facility.
• 1:11:34
  And I think that they can be, you know,
• 1:11:37
  respectful adults and I
• 1:11:40
  guess now competitors.
• 1:11:42
  But I, I, I know that, you know,
• 1:11:44
  it obviously would hurt
• 1:11:45
  Justin and he's very
• 1:11:47
  passionate with his athletes and,
• 1:11:49
  and all of that,
• 1:11:49
  but I guess it just depends how,
• 1:11:51
  how it stopped and what was
• 1:11:53
  said and whether it was
• 1:11:54
  kind of like behind your
• 1:11:56
  back or more upfront.
• 1:11:58
  And,
• 1:11:59
  I don't know.
• 1:11:59
  It's not my place to know that.
• 1:12:02
  Funny you should say that.
• 1:12:03
  We are having Justin Kotler
• 1:12:05
  on the show this Wednesday,
• 1:12:07
  I believe at noon Eastern time.
• 1:12:11
  It's later in the notes.
• 1:12:13
  So we'll get to talk to
• 1:12:14
  Justin about all that.
• 1:12:17
  This is the part I have a problem with.
• 1:12:21
  If Kiefer's offered a job
• 1:12:22
  and it's more money or whatever,
• 1:12:24
  he has the right to take that job.
• 1:12:26
  We're all free agents in life, right?
• 1:12:29
  If I'm working my job and
• 1:12:31
  the state of Pennsylvania
• 1:12:32
  offered me more money and I
• 1:12:34
  wanted to take that,
• 1:12:35
  I have the right to do that.
• 1:12:37
  What I have a problem with
• 1:12:38
  is why is Proven offering a
• 1:12:41
  job at this point in the season?
• 1:12:46
  Jarrett Smith is their head
• 1:12:47
  of elite programming.
• 1:12:51
  Why did they need to hire
• 1:12:54
  Kiefer on at this moment?
• 1:12:56
  That's a good question.
• 1:12:58
  That's the part I have a problem with.
• 1:13:03
  It's not Kiefer taking the
• 1:13:04
  job because if you're offered it,
• 1:13:06
  you are entitled to take it.
• 1:13:07
  But it just seems like out
• 1:13:10
  of school to offer the job right now.
• 1:13:18
  A year ago, Proven lost Brooke, Saxon,
• 1:13:22
  and everybody of
• 1:13:23
  consequence from their lineup.
• 1:13:26
  Since then,
• 1:13:27
  they've added Joey Tutoro and
• 1:13:30
  Jarrett Smith as coaches
• 1:13:32
  and brought in their
• 1:13:33
  athletes and Colton Mertens.
• 1:13:36
  Now they're bringing in all
• 1:13:37
  these other athletes and
• 1:13:39
  they're going to get to say
• 1:13:41
  that all these athletes are
• 1:13:42
  Proven athletes at the games.
• 1:13:44
  Right.
• 1:13:45
  And truly, none of...
• 1:13:47
  Most of them did not get
• 1:13:49
  their training in and
• 1:13:50
  proven to make the games.
• 1:13:52
  Right.
• 1:13:53
  I mean, it's like Pat Vellner and HWPL.
• 1:13:56
  Like to me,
• 1:13:56
  Pat Vellner was not made by HWPL.
• 1:13:58
  He was made by DECA and, um,
• 1:14:01
  and working with Michelle
• 1:14:02
  for eight or nine years,
• 1:14:04
  however long it was.
• 1:14:04
  Right.
• 1:14:05
  So if those athletes choose
• 1:14:07
  to fly the proven banner, I'm not sure.
• 1:14:09
  Like if, if you've been with underdogs for,
• 1:14:12
  let's say multiple years,
• 1:14:14
  I think some of the
• 1:14:15
  athletes will choose to still represent.
• 1:14:18
  underdogs at the end of the
• 1:14:20
  day just for this games and
• 1:14:21
  maybe going forward after
• 1:14:22
  the games we'll have a new
• 1:14:24
  banner to fly but that's
• 1:14:27
  what I would do but I don't
• 1:14:29
  know I'm not in that
• 1:14:29
  position Nick said the
• 1:14:31
  position was posted for a
• 1:14:33
  while it's fine that it's
• 1:14:35
  posted for a while you
• 1:14:35
  don't have to make the hire
• 1:14:37
  or you can tell Kiefer hey
• 1:14:40
  after the games is when
• 1:14:41
  your effective date is
• 1:14:43
  that's when we're going to move
• 1:14:46
  There are more professional
• 1:14:47
  ways to handle this.
• 1:14:50
  And that's my thing.
• 1:14:51
  So if I have a gripe, it's about proven,
• 1:14:54
  not about Kiefer taking the job.
• 1:15:01
  So there's that.
• 1:15:06
  All right.
• 1:15:08
  And I'm happy for Casey Acree, by the way.
• 1:15:11
  That guy is just a great human being.
• 1:15:13
  Love that dude to death.
• 1:15:15
  So pumped that he has been promoted.
• 1:15:17
  And I know Justin believes in him a lot.
• 1:15:21
  Justin has talked to me
• 1:15:22
  about Casey and loves the way he thinks.
• 1:15:27
  So I'm super happy for Casey
• 1:15:30
  and I think it's a good fit with Justin.
• 1:15:35
  So super stoked for that.
• 1:15:37
  So this is a quick one
• 1:15:38
  because we don't have
• 1:15:39
  anything out of this.
• 1:15:40
  Dave announced in the Dallin
• 1:15:42
  interview that cuts would
• 1:15:43
  be coming that day within 24 hours.
• 1:15:46
  Still nothing on the cuts
• 1:15:49
  schedule for that.
• 1:15:51
  But I do want to say there's
• 1:15:53
  been a lot of talk about cuts this week.
• 1:15:56
  And I'll say who I saw this from.
• 1:15:58
  I saw this Seth Jumpship
• 1:16:01
  said something on Celebrity
• 1:16:03
  Jeopardy in the chat that
• 1:16:05
  he loves the cuts because
• 1:16:06
  of the drama it brings.
• 1:16:09
  And that got me incensed to
• 1:16:11
  possibly riff off here.
• 1:16:16
  If where you want the drama
• 1:16:19
  is at 30th place and 20th place,
• 1:16:22
  then you're looking for the
• 1:16:23
  wrong kind of drama.
• 1:16:26
  The drama should be who is on the podium,
• 1:16:29
  who is trying to get to the podium,
• 1:16:31
  who is trying to win the CrossFit Games.
• 1:16:34
  If you are trying to push
• 1:16:35
  the drama in any other
• 1:16:36
  direction than where that is,
• 1:16:40
  you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
• 1:16:45
  If you are cutting the field
• 1:16:46
  because you need to or
• 1:16:48
  because you have a time
• 1:16:50
  constraint because of
• 1:16:51
  television coverage or
• 1:16:53
  whatever it may be,
• 1:16:56
  That is one legit reason why I can see it.
• 1:16:59
  However,
• 1:17:00
  if you're doing it just for the drama,
• 1:17:02
  it makes no sense.
• 1:17:04
  Everybody bitched, even Dave,
• 1:17:07
  that the drama at
• 1:17:08
  semifinals was at the cut
• 1:17:09
  line or was at the games
• 1:17:12
  qualification line.
• 1:17:13
  10th place, 8th place, 11th place,
• 1:17:16
  whatever it was for that semifinal.
• 1:17:18
  And he hated that it played out that way.
• 1:17:22
  By making cuts at the games,
• 1:17:24
  you are simulating the same concept.
• 1:17:29
  The drama being at 30th and then at 20th.
• 1:17:35
  I just think the cuts don't
• 1:17:37
  make sense in our sport.
• 1:17:38
  If we have to have a smaller
• 1:17:41
  field for the test,
• 1:17:43
  then invite less people.
• 1:17:45
  But the field that takes the
• 1:17:46
  floor should be able to do
• 1:17:48
  the full set of tests
• 1:17:49
  because the point system changes.
• 1:17:52
  You're putting more value on
• 1:17:53
  later events because
• 1:17:54
  they're now worth more points.
• 1:17:56
  So you're saying these tests
• 1:17:57
  are actually more important
• 1:17:57
  for your fitness.
• 1:17:59
  But the rest of the
• 1:18:00
  beginning of the stage is
• 1:18:01
  still affected the leaderboard.
• 1:18:03
  It's like doing a decathlon
• 1:18:05
  and making cuts after the
• 1:18:07
  fifth or sixth event.
• 1:18:09
  Like you would never happen.
• 1:18:11
  You cannot compare our sport
• 1:18:12
  to a swimming meet where
• 1:18:14
  there's elimination style
• 1:18:15
  because you're doing the
• 1:18:16
  exact same thing or a sport
• 1:18:18
  like golf or hockey where
• 1:18:19
  there's like elimination bracket.
• 1:18:21
  You just happen to have, you know,
• 1:18:23
  a tough a tough draw like that.
• 1:18:25
  That's expected.
• 1:18:26
  But for us, for our definition of fitness,
• 1:18:29
  every single test is supposed to matter.
• 1:18:33
  in the test of fitness and
• 1:18:35
  should be of equal value in
• 1:18:38
  terms of points.
• 1:18:40
  And to me as an athlete,
• 1:18:42
  it never made sense for
• 1:18:43
  what the methodology is, but I mean,
• 1:18:45
  we were never meant to be a
• 1:18:46
  sport anyways.
• 1:18:47
  So I guess we could make up
• 1:18:49
  like our own rules, but it just, to me,
• 1:18:52
  it's like invite less people,
• 1:18:53
  invite 30 and do two heats
• 1:18:55
  of 15 if you want,
• 1:18:56
  if you want to just do it
• 1:18:57
  into two heats or invite 20,
• 1:18:59
  but whoever goes to the games,
• 1:19:03
  does the full games and you
• 1:19:04
  can actually see, you know,
• 1:19:07
  17th place is 17th place, not 17,
• 1:19:09
  you know, um,
• 1:19:10
  because there's money now
• 1:19:11
  for every single placing.
• 1:19:14
  Like people could have switched from,
• 1:19:16
  I mean, look at someone like, um,
• 1:19:18
  Kelly Baker last year, you know,
• 1:19:20
  who almost made the two cuts in a row.
• 1:19:23
  Um,
• 1:19:25
  and one is significantly more money
• 1:19:27
  that way.
• 1:19:27
  So I don't know.
• 1:19:30
  I've always been of the,
• 1:19:32
  no cuts and just invite less people.
• 1:19:35
  If, if there's a logistic like problem,
• 1:19:38
  right.
• 1:19:38
  The cuts are, did you, did I pull that?
• 1:19:41
  So, okay.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Bruce,
• 1:19:43
  no one really cares about the first
• 1:19:45
  or second heat.
• 1:19:46
  LOL.
• 1:19:46
  Then you are not a true
• 1:19:47
  sport fan of the sport.
• 1:19:50
  Let me,
• 1:19:52
  I have something to say about this too.
• 1:19:55
  If you don't stack one bad
• 1:19:58
  decision to cover up
• 1:19:59
  another bad decision,
• 1:20:01
  The reason you can even say
• 1:20:03
  this is because we don't
• 1:20:05
  have the right 40 people at the games.
• 1:20:07
  Correct.
• 1:20:08
  If you had the right 40
• 1:20:09
  people at the games,
• 1:20:10
  people would care about
• 1:20:12
  heat one because there'd be
• 1:20:13
  people in that heat that
• 1:20:15
  could win that event.
• 1:20:18
  Just like what happened at
• 1:20:19
  the North America East semifinal.
• 1:20:21
  There were people in every
• 1:20:23
  heat that could win the event.
• 1:20:25
  So it made every heat important.
• 1:20:28
  What happens, though,
• 1:20:29
  is because we don't get the
• 1:20:30
  right 40 people to the games,
• 1:20:33
  now heat one becomes irrelevant.
• 1:20:35
  Right.
• 1:20:37
  Spot on.
• 1:20:38
  Spot on.
• 1:20:39
  If you invite, let's say 30,
• 1:20:41
  but it's the top 30 in the world,
• 1:20:44
  however they can determine that,
• 1:20:45
  but it's legit the top 30,
• 1:20:47
  you can do three heats of
• 1:20:48
  10 or two heats of 15 or
• 1:20:49
  whatever you want to do.
• 1:20:51
  And you're going to be more
• 1:20:52
  invested because it's all
• 1:20:53
  the best athletes.
• 1:20:54
  And they can affect the leaderboard.
• 1:20:56
  And they all have wheelhouse workouts.
• 1:20:58
  And, yeah,
• 1:21:00
  like you need those people in the middle.
• 1:21:02
  But when certain athletes
• 1:21:03
  are there that aren't going
• 1:21:04
  to middle in basically anything,
• 1:21:06
  that's when you – like you said,
• 1:21:07
  you don't care for that as much.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  And that's the only reason
• 1:21:15
  that it matters or doesn't
• 1:21:17
  matter is because we don't
• 1:21:18
  have the – the first heat has –
• 1:21:21
  a chunk of people that shouldn't be there.
• 1:21:23
  Agreed.
• 1:21:24
  And I shouldn't say it shouldn't be there,
• 1:21:27
  are not fit enough to be there.
• 1:21:30
  Right.
• 1:21:33
  10th, 11th, 12th,
• 1:21:35
  20th out of North America
• 1:21:36
  East would beat all eight
• 1:21:40
  of those people.
• 1:21:46
  Last two quick hitters as RV
• 1:21:49
  site at the games must not be going well.
• 1:21:52
  They slashed the price and
• 1:21:55
  took away some of the perks
• 1:21:57
  that will be at the RV park,
• 1:21:58
  but it went from,
• 1:22:00
  I want to say over a
• 1:22:01
  thousand dollars to 400
• 1:22:03
  bucks for the weekend.
• 1:22:07
  to be able to park in the RV park.
• 1:22:10
  They're taking away sponsored activations,
• 1:22:12
  extra bathrooms, et cetera.
• 1:22:14
  If you bought a spot and now
• 1:22:16
  don't want to be there
• 1:22:17
  because they've taken that stuff away,
• 1:22:19
  they will give you a full
• 1:22:19
  refund of your money.
• 1:22:22
  If you want to be there
• 1:22:24
  still with the lack of stuff,
• 1:22:26
  they will give you a refund
• 1:22:27
  down to the current price.
• 1:22:31
  So I think that's a good way to do it.
• 1:22:32
  Yeah.
• 1:22:35
  Um,
• 1:22:35
  the other thing that hit this week was
• 1:22:37
  our first drug popping of
• 1:22:41
  the season with three
• 1:22:43
  people from the four,
• 1:22:46
  three people from Asia,
• 1:22:48
  one from North America East.
• 1:22:50
  The North America East was a team.
• 1:22:52
  It was a mayhem team.
• 1:22:54
  Uh,
• 1:22:56
  and another mayhem team will get in
• 1:23:00
  based on it.
• 1:23:01
  Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  I've heard a lot of comments about this.
• 1:23:05
  I'll get to the individuals in a second,
• 1:23:08
  but if you're Mayhem,
• 1:23:13
  I know their athletes have
• 1:23:14
  to sign a contract.
• 1:23:16
  Do you think there's
• 1:23:16
  anything in that contract
• 1:23:18
  about popping for PEDs?
• 1:23:23
  No, I don't think there is.
• 1:23:24
  I think I've seen the contract.
• 1:23:30
  I can't speak on the contract,
• 1:23:31
  so I don't know.
• 1:23:34
  Yeah.
• 1:23:36
  That name has become so big
• 1:23:39
  and such a big part in the sport.
• 1:23:42
  I think that if you are with mayhem,
• 1:23:44
  you need to start
• 1:23:45
  protecting yourself from
• 1:23:47
  these situations.
• 1:23:48
  Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  Because that is bad for the brand.
• 1:23:55
  How do you do that?
• 1:23:56
  I don't know.
• 1:23:58
  It lets you start testing yourself.
• 1:24:02
  Yeah, I guess.
• 1:24:08
  I mean,
• 1:24:09
  that is the risk you take when
• 1:24:11
  you're trying to grow and
• 1:24:11
  you're accepting anyone to
• 1:24:13
  be a part of this growing empire.
• 1:24:15
  Do you think they've grown
• 1:24:17
  too big to control that?
• 1:24:19
  Yeah.
• 1:24:20
  Yeah, I don't think Mayhem can control.
• 1:24:22
  They can educate them and
• 1:24:24
  tell them what resources
• 1:24:26
  they can look up to see
• 1:24:27
  whether their supplements
• 1:24:28
  are safe and stuff.
• 1:24:30
  the end of the day you can't
• 1:24:31
  control what someone's
• 1:24:32
  gonna do like that that's a
• 1:24:34
  tough part about being on a
• 1:24:35
  team as well because uh
• 1:24:37
  like the three that were
• 1:24:38
  that popped were uh
• 1:24:40
  individual from the asia
• 1:24:42
  and then the one that's on
• 1:24:43
  the team which I know that
• 1:24:44
  guy very well I I've
• 1:24:46
  competed with him before
• 1:24:47
  even locally uh in toronto
• 1:24:49
  so I'm I'm heartbroken uh
• 1:24:52
  to hear that I'm hard
• 1:24:53
  working for the team
• 1:24:54
  members that I know very well um
• 1:24:58
  just sad because like when
• 1:24:59
  you're when you're signing
• 1:25:00
  up for a team like you're
• 1:25:01
  you're putting everything
• 1:25:02
  in for that team and um you
• 1:25:05
  know you're hoping that
• 1:25:05
  everyone's on the same page
• 1:25:06
  people are traveling in
• 1:25:07
  people have families or
• 1:25:08
  other you know obligations
• 1:25:09
  and you know it's not just
• 1:25:12
  you that you let down it's
• 1:25:14
  it's your team uh it's
• 1:25:16
  gotta be hard when it's an
• 1:25:18
  individual I don't feel as
• 1:25:20
  as bad because you know
• 1:25:22
  it's on them and you know
• 1:25:24
  they got caught or
• 1:25:25
  whatever situation,
• 1:25:26
  but when it's on a team,
• 1:25:27
  it really hurts to see that
• 1:25:31
  for the other members.
• 1:25:34
  Derek Summers,
• 1:25:34
  the larger their athlete
• 1:25:35
  membership will grow,
• 1:25:37
  the larger the chance of this happening,
• 1:25:38
  tough to avoid it.
• 1:25:40
  Probably right.
• 1:25:41
  It's just, man,
• 1:25:45
  you're trying to protect that brand.
• 1:25:50
  Uh, well,
• 1:25:51
  if I said they had a team pop years ago,
• 1:25:53
  right.
• 1:25:54
  It was female athlete, Ellie.
• 1:25:55
  Yes.
• 1:25:56
  Ellie keyboard on their Perth riches team.
• 1:25:59
  Well,
• 1:25:59
  it would have been split to two at
• 1:26:00
  that point.
• 1:26:01
  It would have been
• 1:26:02
  independence at that team at that point.
• 1:26:04
  So she was on the second team.
• 1:26:05
  Um, so yeah, I mean,
• 1:26:08
  it's already very close to home, so.
• 1:26:12
  Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Um,
• 1:26:15
  Then we had the three Asian
• 1:26:17
  athletes pop out of the top four.
• 1:26:23
  John Young made the
• 1:26:24
  statement that nobody from
• 1:26:25
  Asia should make it this
• 1:26:26
  year because of that.
• 1:26:27
  100%.
• 1:26:28
  Maybe Arthur Semenov,
• 1:26:31
  who was clean apparently,
• 1:26:33
  but they absolutely, I feel like,
• 1:26:37
  do not deserve backfill
• 1:26:39
  invites when that many
• 1:26:40
  people in your region are popping.
• 1:26:43
  You've lost your...
• 1:26:46
  Like they already should
• 1:26:47
  have had the second spot.
• 1:26:49
  They always had the second spot, I thought,
• 1:26:51
  for Asia the last few years.
• 1:26:53
  But what it's tough because like,
• 1:26:56
  do I think that they should
• 1:26:58
  have two spots?
• 1:26:59
  No,
• 1:26:59
  but this is the spots that they were
• 1:27:00
  given.
• 1:27:01
  And and the guy that gets in
• 1:27:02
  on fifth place,
• 1:27:03
  like it's not his fault
• 1:27:04
  that the people in front of
• 1:27:05
  him were juicing and that
• 1:27:06
  he would have finished, let's say,
• 1:27:08
  second place to earn that second spot.
• 1:27:11
  from Asia.
• 1:27:12
  It's just the whole system
• 1:27:13
  of just how we're getting, you know,
• 1:27:15
  athletes there.
• 1:27:16
  That's another discussion,
• 1:27:17
  but for the rules of this year, you know,
• 1:27:21
  that fifth spot technically earns it.
• 1:27:23
  I mean, if you look at the Olympics,
• 1:27:25
  like swimming,
• 1:27:25
  let's say let's go like the
• 1:27:27
  U S qualifications, like
• 1:27:29
  that heat that they're doing
• 1:27:30
  there for qualification is
• 1:27:32
  probably better than the Olympic finals,
• 1:27:34
  right?
• 1:27:34
  Like you have global
• 1:27:35
  representation at the
• 1:27:36
  Olympics and it's harder to
• 1:27:38
  make it to the Olympics
• 1:27:39
  than actually competing
• 1:27:40
  probably at the Olympics
• 1:27:41
  because of how good your country is.
• 1:27:42
  And it's the same thing in CrossFit.
• 1:27:44
  And I guess that's the hard part of,
• 1:27:45
  and I think I saw one of
• 1:27:46
  the comments about, you know,
• 1:27:48
  global representation.
• 1:27:49
  And it's like,
• 1:27:50
  do we want the sport to grow
• 1:27:53
  globally or do we want the
• 1:27:54
  best athletes that are currently,
• 1:27:57
  you know, there?
• 1:27:58
  And I think that's a
• 1:27:59
  that's a decision that CrossFit makes,
• 1:28:01
  that they want it to be a
• 1:28:02
  global representation.
• 1:28:03
  So I think with that in mind,
• 1:28:05
  that CrossFit has,
• 1:28:06
  are we going to get the top athletes?
• 1:28:08
  No,
• 1:28:08
  but are we going to get representation
• 1:28:10
  from different places?
• 1:28:13
  Yes.
• 1:28:14
  But I guess we'll see.
• 1:28:15
  I mean,
• 1:28:15
  I don't know if that's the end of
• 1:28:16
  the testing and if that's it,
• 1:28:19
  because we had a week three
• 1:28:20
  and a week one,
• 1:28:22
  but I'm assuming it's not the end.
• 1:28:24
  Let's hope not.
• 1:28:25
  It's weird to me that...
• 1:28:27
  You have Asia and then North
• 1:28:29
  America East in one release.
• 1:28:31
  You would think the week one
• 1:28:33
  semis would have had some pops,
• 1:28:36
  and then we'd go a week and
• 1:28:37
  maybe get a couple more,
• 1:28:38
  and then we'd go another
• 1:28:39
  and get the final.
• 1:28:41
  But yeah, it's... Yeah, you want...
• 1:28:47
  some global representation and whatever.
• 1:28:49
  That's where I think
• 1:28:50
  everyone gets one and that's it.
• 1:28:53
  Yes.
• 1:28:53
  And then from there we figured out,
• 1:28:56
  but like at this point you're like,
• 1:29:00
  I think you need to make this,
• 1:29:02
  this popping situation like hurt.
• 1:29:05
  And that means you guys have you,
• 1:29:07
  your country is too juiced.
• 1:29:11
  We're taking this away from you.
• 1:29:12
  Like clearly that's the only
• 1:29:14
  way that you guys are
• 1:29:15
  trying to get into this sport.
• 1:29:16
  And we're,
• 1:29:17
  shutting that down.
• 1:29:20
  I don't think you give it to
• 1:29:20
  the fifth person.
• 1:29:22
  I don't think you shut it down,
• 1:29:23
  but I do believe as Carolyn
• 1:29:26
  pointed out three or four
• 1:29:28
  weeks ago on this show,
• 1:29:31
  by giving another person a game spot,
• 1:29:34
  it affects this world ranking BS.
• 1:29:38
  And I, that can't happen, right?
• 1:29:40
  You can't get another game
• 1:29:43
  spot because of a drug issue.
• 1:29:46
  um a drug suspension and
• 1:29:48
  getting another person into
• 1:29:50
  the games with all those
• 1:29:51
  points to affect the world
• 1:29:53
  rankings right that's what
• 1:29:55
  can't happen I'm okay with
• 1:29:58
  the one person clean moving
• 1:30:00
  forward but we can't allow
• 1:30:03
  another person to then uh
• 1:30:07
  go in and get all the games
• 1:30:09
  points and then affect the world rankings
• 1:30:12
  Because then it's going to
• 1:30:13
  skew it worse and worse and
• 1:30:14
  worse as we move forward.
• 1:30:16
  Yep.
• 1:30:18
  Luke Ridley, thank you so much for the $5.
• 1:30:23
  23 Chinese swimmers pop and
• 1:30:24
  then get let off.
• 1:30:25
  I have ranted about that a couple times.
• 1:30:29
  I was at the U.S.
• 1:30:30
  swimming trials.
• 1:30:31
  I heard about this.
• 1:30:32
  It is utterly ridiculous
• 1:30:34
  that 23 people all ate contaminated food.
• 1:30:38
  Yeah.
• 1:30:39
  And that the Olympic
• 1:30:40
  Committee allowed this through.
• 1:30:43
  or water allowed that
• 1:30:44
  through freaking ridiculous.
• 1:30:48
  But I mean,
• 1:30:48
  our testing protocol just needs
• 1:30:50
  to get better in general in our,
• 1:30:52
  in our space.
• 1:30:52
  Like I can't just be at the
• 1:30:55
  semifinals for most of these athletes.
• 1:30:58
  Um, or like, yeah,
• 1:30:59
  at the same finals and the games,
• 1:31:00
  like there needs to be more
• 1:31:02
  out of competition testing.
• 1:31:03
  And I'm not talking about out of,
• 1:31:04
  out of competition,
• 1:31:05
  like getting tested at
• 1:31:06
  water blues or Dubai, like more.
• 1:31:09
  globally,
• 1:31:11
  not just like the people on the list,
• 1:31:12
  but more globally, like in between events,
• 1:31:16
  not at an event,
• 1:31:17
  like show up to their gym, show up.
• 1:31:18
  Like that's where I think
• 1:31:20
  you could catch like way more people,
• 1:31:22
  but people know that
• 1:31:23
  they're getting tested at these events.
• 1:31:25
  So like people that are popping,
• 1:31:28
  like they just probably
• 1:31:29
  aren't educated enough for
• 1:31:31
  whatever they're taking.
• 1:31:33
  Like there just needs to be
• 1:31:34
  more testing in general.
• 1:31:35
  Well, the one guy took everything.
• 1:31:38
  He basically went to the
• 1:31:39
  steroid shop and said,
• 1:31:40
  I'll take one of each.
• 1:31:43
  When you see the list of stuff he took.
• 1:31:46
  It's just frustrating, right,
• 1:31:48
  for the athletes to be
• 1:31:50
  competing against athletes
• 1:31:52
  that are on himself.
• 1:31:54
  And that's the same guy that
• 1:31:55
  said his drink was spiked.
• 1:31:58
  I don't know who spiking a
• 1:31:59
  drink went and bought one of everything,
• 1:32:02
  but ridiculous.
• 1:32:06
  The stories are just stupid.
• 1:32:09
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• 1:33:36
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• 1:33:41
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• 1:33:43
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• 1:33:45
  We are taking a short
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  sabbatical on the Weight
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• 1:33:50
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• 1:33:53
  And I want her to relax and
• 1:33:55
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• 1:33:59
  Then, on Wednesday at noon Eastern Time,
• 1:34:01
  Justin Kotler
• 1:34:03
  Just talked about him.
• 1:34:05
  Kiefer left.
• 1:34:05
  Casey's in.
• 1:34:07
  Let's see what's going on.
• 1:34:08
  He's also coaching Ricky and
• 1:34:10
  Alex at the games.
• 1:34:12
  Might be an important person to hear from.
• 1:34:14
  In addition, Emma McQuaid, July 4th,
• 1:34:18
  8 a.m.
• 1:34:20
  When you get those European athletes,
• 1:34:22
  sometimes you got to get up early.
• 1:34:24
  So I'll try to get a lot of
• 1:34:27
  coffee in early to talk to
• 1:34:29
  Emma McQuaid at 8 a.m.
• 1:34:31
  this Thursday, 4th of July.
• 1:34:33
  And I just booked before the
• 1:34:34
  show Bethany Flores for Friday,
• 1:34:38
  July 12th at 1 p.m.
• 1:34:40
  Eastern time.
• 1:34:41
  Awesome.
• 1:34:42
  Love talking to Bethany.
• 1:34:43
  Can't wait to catch up with her.
• 1:34:45
  So I think Dave is beating me now.
• 1:34:50
  Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  I think so.
• 1:34:52
  But I'm trying.
• 1:34:54
  And I'm doing it for an hour.
• 1:34:55
  He's doing it for 10 minutes.
• 1:34:57
  Well,
• 1:34:58
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• 1:35:00
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• 1:35:01
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• 1:35:02
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• 1:35:03
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• 1:35:06
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• 1:35:07
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• 1:35:11
  Peace out, guys.