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Mike Shinoda · Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Mike Schanoda took a bold step last fall when
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Speaker 1: he reintroduced Lincoln Park with a new lineup featuring drummer
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Speaker 1: Colin Britten and singer Emily Armstrong as lead vocalist, taking
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Speaker 1: the role once held by Chester Bennington. Mike, who co
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Speaker 1: founded Lincoln Park in ninety six, has long served as
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Speaker 1: the group's de facto producer, as well as as MC
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Speaker 1: and keyboardist. The band rose to massive success in the
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Speaker 1: two thousands with the run of new metal albums that
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Speaker 1: have collectively sold more than ten million copies worldwide. In November,
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Park released From Zero, their eighth studio album and
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Speaker 1: the first with Emily as front woman. The records already
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Speaker 1: surpassed three billion streams online. On today's episode, Lea Rose
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Speaker 1: talks to Mike Shanoda about why he chose not to
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Speaker 1: retire Lincoln Park and instead took the creative risk of
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Speaker 1: reinventing the band nearly thirty years after its formation. Mike
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Speaker 1: also shares his favorite Lincoln Park songs of all time
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Speaker 1: and explains how the band managed to stand apart from
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Speaker 1: the bro centric frat boy culture that defined much of
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Speaker 1: early two thousand's new metal this is Broken Record, real musicians,
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Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose and Mike Shanoda.
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Speaker 2: I was listening back to your last interview on Broken Records.
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Speaker 2: So the last time you were on was twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: one in March, and you were very much in your
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Speaker 2: Twitch era, like, you know, five days a week on there, grinding,
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Speaker 2: producing new music with people that you were meeting online,
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Speaker 2: and you seemed like super pumped about it. So how
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Speaker 2: did that transition into Lincoln Park, finding Emily and the
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Speaker 2: band starting up again?
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Speaker 3: Where do I even start? So? I was doing you know,
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Speaker 3: after twenty twenty, I was doing some I was doing
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Speaker 3: Twitch live streams here actually on this setup, and I
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Speaker 3: I made songs with the fans. I like they would
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Speaker 3: throw ideas out, I'd make make tracks out of their ideas,
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Speaker 3: and yeah we did. I did some fun stuff there.
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Speaker 3: And at a certain point, you know, I was also
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Speaker 3: starting to do sessions with other artists, like writing and producing,
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Speaker 3: and I was making starting to make my own stuff
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Speaker 3: again very quietly and really not putting any names on it,
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Speaker 3: like just making the most random like stuff that you'd
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Speaker 3: never even expect me to make.
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Speaker 2: What did it sound like.
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Speaker 3: The most I mean, well, some of it sounded like
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Speaker 3: Lincoln Park. Some of it sounded like me experimenting, like
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Speaker 3: I've done a few different like projects for it, minor
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Speaker 3: my own solo stuff, and there were elements of all
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Speaker 3: those things going on. But I had kept in touch
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Speaker 3: with all the guys in the band, and we had
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Speaker 3: gotten together, and then like it kind of just like
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Speaker 3: nothing was there. Like we would get together for a
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Speaker 3: little bit and then you know, people just wouldn't show
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Speaker 3: up or call back or whatever. And that happened every
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Speaker 3: every a couple maybe like once a year or a
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Speaker 3: couple of times a year. And sometime around I'm gonna
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Speaker 3: guess it was like twenty twenty three, I started really
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Speaker 3: talking to Joe and Dave like that. I could tell
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Speaker 3: that they were really ready to do something, and I
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Speaker 3: was as well.
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Speaker 2: So when you all made the decision to come back together,
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Speaker 2: was it more just to kind of see what happens
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Speaker 2: or was it like, all right, we're going to do
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Speaker 2: an album, we're reuniting, we're getting a new singer, we're
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Speaker 2: going to go on tour.
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Speaker 3: Was it like a whole that very opposite of that.
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Speaker 3: It was the opposite of that, because we were like
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Speaker 3: we really wanted to take the like pressure, it's so
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Speaker 3: much pressure to like to like start Lincoln Park again totally,
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Speaker 3: that's a very big idea, and it was it's like scary.
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Speaker 3: It was scary, and it was like there are too
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Speaker 3: many things could be go wrong and there were too
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Speaker 3: many questions. So we really just we really just approached
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Speaker 3: it like following like little glimmers of interest, you know,
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Speaker 3: like whatever seemed seemed like it held our attention and
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Speaker 3: we wanted to do more of it. We just follow
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Speaker 3: those things. And even when we had people come in,
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Speaker 3: we never said it was Lincoln Park. It was like
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Speaker 3: they'd see it be it'd be you know, me Joe
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Speaker 3: Dave in the room. But even if it was just
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Speaker 3: me in the room, like obviously I would, we would
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Speaker 3: never like I shouldn't I shouldn't I say obviously, because
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Speaker 3: it's like if there's just one of if it's just me,
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Speaker 3: then the question is less of an elephant in the room,
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Speaker 3: but if it's three of us, it's more of an
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Speaker 3: elephant in the room, like is this a Lincoln Park session?
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Speaker 3: So yeah, when we first started, it was like that,
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Speaker 3: you know, we would just kind of get together with
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Speaker 3: people and mess around and again like some of the
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Speaker 3: stuff kind of like to somebody else's here, maybe it
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Speaker 3: sounded like it could be a Lincoln Bark song, but
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Speaker 3: definitely to ours. We were kind of exploring different I
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Speaker 3: don't know, esthetic or a different like creative path. And
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Speaker 3: then yeah, and then slowly like we started to like
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Speaker 3: we had met Emily. I had met Emily like back
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Speaker 3: in like almost like twenty eighteen nineteen I think it was,
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Speaker 3: and just kept in touch. She was going to do
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Speaker 3: another Dead Sarah record. She did that and then got
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Speaker 3: like just reconnected and started bringing her in with the
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Speaker 3: other guys in different combinations. We'd have, you know, get
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Speaker 3: together with different writers or something, and really it Galvin,
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Speaker 3: I when it was like just when Brad came into
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Speaker 3: and it was just like the six of us in
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Speaker 3: the room, then it was really it felt like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I want to do this every day, Like it's the best. Wow.
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Speaker 2: She is so awesome?
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Speaker 3: Yea is she?
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Speaker 2: Like there's something special about that woman. She's incredible. She's
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Speaker 2: incredible to watch. She's an awesome performer. Like I feel
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Speaker 2: like you just struck gold and it's so awesome to
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Speaker 2: bring a woman in Lincoln Park is so like I
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Speaker 2: look at your old photos and it's just like, dudes,
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Speaker 2: it's like energy, dude energy.
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Speaker 3: It's funny because we were in the context of like
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Speaker 3: the bands and the and the festivals and the shows
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Speaker 3: that we were doing. We were the least broy bros
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Speaker 3: of the of the lineup, Like we were on these
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Speaker 3: shows with like it was like oz Fest, yeah, and
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Speaker 3: like people were just like waking up getting drunk, like
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Speaker 3: blacking out and then waking up next morning and chugging
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Speaker 3: a pedia lighte to like rehydrate and then drink again.
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Speaker 3: And we were just sitting there in our bus like
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Speaker 3: isolating ourselves because we didn't there were only like a
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Speaker 3: handful of people on those tours that we were like, oh,
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Speaker 3: like these are kind of our people, yea, And I
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Speaker 3: have nothing against like all those folks from those from
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Speaker 3: those tours, like a lot of really sweet performers, great
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Speaker 3: great dudes in bands, though, like you were saying, like
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Speaker 3: the energy was very masculine energy. The crews were all
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Speaker 3: bros with tattoos and beer guts, and like that wasn't
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Speaker 3: our even way back in like two thousand and two,
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Speaker 3: two thousand and three, that wasn't really our scene.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the I was looking at the photos
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Speaker 2: for Hybrid Theory, and I guess it was like the
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Speaker 2: photo that was on the back of the CD maybe
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Speaker 2: at first, and I was thinking about you because you've
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Speaker 2: always been sort of like the art director for the band.
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Speaker 3: Right me and Joe. Yeah, Joe and I had met
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Speaker 3: in college. We both studied illustration and he left to
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Speaker 3: go do film and I stayed and finished my I
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Speaker 3: got my my bachelor's.
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Speaker 2: So very visual. Do you remember like what your thought
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Speaker 2: was for the aesthetic of the band in those early
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Speaker 2: days for like that shoot?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. The first meeting we had with the label
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Speaker 3: about the aesthetic, like what art direction we'd like to
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Speaker 3: kind of go in with with Hybrid Theory. You know,
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Speaker 3: the folks that we already knew were they had said
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Speaker 3: to the to the art department, Oh, these guys like
8:48
Speaker 3: they you know, a couple of the guys went to
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Speaker 3: art school, so they take this pretty seriously and then
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Speaker 3: they know more about it than your average band. Like
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Speaker 3: Mike has done. He designed like, you know, single covers
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Speaker 3: and CD covers for a few artists. So oh that's
9:03
Speaker 3: it was like little little hip hop groups like Styles
9:06
Speaker 3: of Beyond and a Carnadian rapper named Soccrates a couple
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Speaker 3: of things. I don't remember what else I did, but
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Speaker 3: you know, just enough enough. I felt like I knew
9:14
Speaker 3: enough to like have have a more detailed conversation about it.
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Speaker 3: And also I didn't want to be like drawing the
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Speaker 3: covers because that wasn't really the aesthetic we were going for.
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Speaker 3: And then we like we realized that there's this guy
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Speaker 3: named Frank Maddox who he had done like the Deaftones stuff,
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Speaker 3: which we thought was so cool. White Pony looked incredible,
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Speaker 3: So we started meeting with Frank and one of the
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Speaker 3: things we all bonded on super early was like this
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Speaker 3: new thing that was going on called street art is
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Speaker 3: what there was basically like an elevated version of graffiti,
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Speaker 3: but like a lot of illustrators and people with that
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Speaker 3: kind of talent were moving into the graffiti world. And
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Speaker 3: you had characters like Banksy showing up yeah, yeah, exactly,
10:01
Speaker 3: and obays stickers were actually on at the time MTV,
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Speaker 3: Like they were showing up in the background of things
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Speaker 3: on MTV. And I don't even know if MTV knew
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Speaker 3: that that was happening, but people like us, we were like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, Shepherd's everywhere. This obey thing is so cool. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and so we were that was our inspiration. I mean
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Speaker 3: we really we really bonded over that, among other things.
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Speaker 2: Very cool. And then how thinking about I mean, I've
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Speaker 2: seen a lot of people say that from zero is
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Speaker 2: sort of maybe in ways referencing hybrid theory, and I
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Speaker 2: want to ask you about the name, like from zero
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Speaker 2: is that a reference at all? Obviously it's maybe starting over?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's one one meaning.
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Speaker 2: Is it also Zero your first band?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? So the people I feel like usually people who
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Speaker 3: are like, oh yeah, it sounds like hybrid theory. They
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Speaker 3: though ninety nine percent of those people don't realize that
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Speaker 3: we were called zero before we were hybrid theory and
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Speaker 3: that zero was that sounded like hybrid theory, Like that's
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Speaker 3: theory was zero. So when we started the band, we
11:05
Speaker 3: you know, it was XCRO was the name of the band,
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Speaker 3: and it was like just a very like uncooked, not
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Speaker 3: quite developed version of what it became. You know, we
11:15
Speaker 3: were still figuring out the sound, and especially early early on,
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Speaker 3: we just didn't have the gear, Like, we didn't have
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Speaker 3: the stuff that we would need to make the things
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Speaker 3: that we wanted to make. The very first deal we
11:26
Speaker 3: ever signed was a publishing deal, and we knew at
11:29
Speaker 3: that time that like signing a publishing deal so early
11:32
Speaker 3: was probably financially a terrible idea, but we also didn't
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Speaker 3: take the band so seriously yet, like we were just like, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm just as happy like going back to my day job,
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Speaker 3: like and playing music on the weekends, Like I'm doing
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Speaker 3: this because it's fun and because I like the stuff
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Speaker 3: we're making. So if we signed this publishing deal, we
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Speaker 3: can all buy new gear and actually make the stuff
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Speaker 3: we want to make. And so we bought you know,
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Speaker 3: we bought a new sampler, we bought a new guitar, cabinet,
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Speaker 3: new guitar, new bass, new drums, new and we for
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Speaker 3: the first time we had pro tools on a computer
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Speaker 3: at home, and I was the guy. I was the
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Speaker 3: pro tools guy. So I was learning that and learning
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Speaker 3: about how to have engineer or how to produce a song.
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Speaker 3: Everyone we ever worked with, I was just like like
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Speaker 3: picking their brain about you know, how do you do this,
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Speaker 3: how do you do that? And learning on the fly.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, because that's pre YouTube tutorials,
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Speaker 2: so it's not like you could just like, yeah, so
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Speaker 2: you had.
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Speaker 3: To get the info from somebody who was doing it,
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Speaker 3: I mean, and I wasn't in a position to intern
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Speaker 3: I had bills to pay, and we our band was
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Speaker 3: starting to have like real fans by the maybe by
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Speaker 3: the dozens at that point. I don't think by the
12:36
Speaker 3: hundreds at that point, but yeah, we were called zero.
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Speaker 3: And so when fast forward to like, you know, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four, when we were making this album, it was
12:47
Speaker 3: funny because the band we were making the band, you know,
12:52
Speaker 3: at the same time that we were making the album,
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Speaker 3: like the band was coming into focus while the music
12:57
Speaker 3: was coming into focus, and so we were learning about
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Speaker 3: like different things that our new lineup could do. There
13:05
Speaker 3: were like combinations of different people in the when you
13:09
Speaker 3: put us together and that played a certain way, it
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Speaker 3: sounded new and interesting, and so for that, you know,
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Speaker 3: that was one of the reasons why we gravitated towards
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Speaker 3: the name, because it did feel like a restart and
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Speaker 3: a return to some of the things that we really
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Speaker 3: loved in the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Were you hesitant at all to bring a woman in
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Speaker 2: since I don't know, I mean, it's a big change,
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Speaker 2: but it's not a big deal. But for some people
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Speaker 2: it may be a big deal, Like.
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Speaker 3: It was funny because I didn't I didn't mention it
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Speaker 3: to any of my friends, like I didn't want anyone
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Speaker 3: to know that that's what we were considering, really, And
13:48
Speaker 3: I started to notice every time somebody would talk about
13:52
Speaker 3: a band that had a female singer, I started to
13:56
Speaker 3: notice the way they would talk about them. And in particular,
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Speaker 3: the thing that I noticed more that people won't say
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Speaker 3: in an interview or on Twitter or whatever they what
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Speaker 3: they won't say is that it's that whole thing about
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Speaker 3: when a woman who's in that kind of a position
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Speaker 3: like asserts herself. You see it in corporate culture too.
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Speaker 3: She asserts herself, she's bitchy all of a sudden, like
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Speaker 3: they call her, they they they characterize her a certain way.
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Speaker 3: And so when I was like when we started like
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Speaker 3: thinking about Emily, I was noticing that. And and you know,
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Speaker 3: she has a very she she like sails back and
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Speaker 3: forth between like very low key and like go with
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Speaker 3: the flow, and then right into like very confident, like
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Speaker 3: badass who knows what she's doing, and she's and that
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Speaker 3: was I think that was one of the things that
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Speaker 3: we really enjoyed as we were starting to get to
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Speaker 3: know each other, it's like, oh, she's always that whatever
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Speaker 3: that ebb and flow is of when she wants to
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Speaker 3: be in the front seat and when she wants in
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Speaker 3: the backseat and when she like has an opinion but
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Speaker 3: she doesn't want to be forceful. It's like very it
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Speaker 3: locks right in with our our energy too.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people to lock in with, like
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Speaker 2: because six is a lot, yes.
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Speaker 3: A lot of three people and they can't get along
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Speaker 3: twice as many.
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Speaker 2: Yes, what did your wife say? Or just people close
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Speaker 2: to you when you were like, all right, we're doing
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Speaker 2: this again. It's starting up.
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Speaker 3: It was a very slow It came about very slowly
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Speaker 3: and gradually many months, many months. So it wasn't like us,
15:40
Speaker 3: we're not snap decision kind of folks. Yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 3: to our you know, benefit and our detriment. Like I
15:49
Speaker 3: think people know that about us. So sometimes we take
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Speaker 3: time with things, and this was definitely a thing we
15:54
Speaker 3: wanted to take so much time with. Yeah, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: it was just like you know, getting in the room,
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Speaker 3: getting in the room talking and we'd end up like
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Speaker 3: working on something. Some days we work on stuff and
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Speaker 3: just like for like forget what we were there for.
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Speaker 3: We'd just be talking and talking and talking and be like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, we've been sitting here just like hanging
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Speaker 3: out for four hours, like we really ought to, like
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Speaker 3: work on a song.
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Speaker 2: It's also like coming out of the pandemic and people
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Speaker 2: have been isolated for so long, Like I remember those
16:25
Speaker 2: early days conversations where you're like, oh wow, I can't
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Speaker 2: be I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, definitely, I think that was definitely it too. But
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Speaker 3: but but we you know, we had such a good
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Speaker 3: We really enjoyed the process of making this album. And
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Speaker 3: not every album that we've made is that way, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think notoriously, Like Hybrid Theory was like painful to make.
16:52
Speaker 3: Minutes Midnight, our third album, was also pretty painful to make.
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Speaker 3: It was fare it was Hybrid Theory because it was short, fast,
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Speaker 3: and everybody was like fighting against us on everything. And
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Speaker 3: Minutes Midnight was tough because it was very very slow
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Speaker 3: and long and like eighteen months and one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty demos and us tearing our hair out trying to
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Speaker 3: reinvent our band. And so since we had those experiences,
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Speaker 3: I think we were able to like Harness the best
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Speaker 3: outlook like it was like, we knew how to do
17:20
Speaker 3: a difficult thing and not be miserable doing it. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: does that make sense? So we did very very difficult thing,
17:29
Speaker 3: but we enjoyed every minute.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of difficult things. When I was researching you and
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Speaker 2: just watching interviews with you and just thinking about you
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Speaker 2: in this band and your history and your career, you
17:41
Speaker 2: so could have easily just like rode off into the
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Speaker 2: sunset enjoyed your success. But I feel like you're not
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Speaker 2: scared to do difficult things, and reinventing the band in
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Speaker 2: a way is like super super hard. But maybe that's
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Speaker 2: when you work best, when you're back is against the
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Speaker 2: wall and people are doubting you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that the thing that one of the
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Speaker 3: things that really drove us is the idea that if
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Speaker 3: we had just like hung it up and said, Okay,
18:19
Speaker 3: that was a good run and call it quits, that
18:23
Speaker 3: is such a like a shitty way to end, for
18:26
Speaker 3: the band to end or stop making new music. That
18:29
Speaker 3: is like an awful story, like no one wants to
18:33
Speaker 3: read that book. And instead to be able to say,
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Speaker 3: like and then the guys dusted themselves up off and
18:40
Speaker 3: got up again, Like that to me is exactly the
18:44
Speaker 3: book I want to read. Like that's the thing that's
18:46
Speaker 3: the hardest to do and the most intimidating, the most challenging,
18:51
Speaker 3: the most that could go wrong. Yes, honestly, and for
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Speaker 3: ourselves and for our like our kids, for our fans,
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Speaker 3: like to do it, to do it and say, yeah,
19:03
Speaker 3: we took huge risks on this, Like there's so much
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Speaker 3: about the new like the new music, the new lineup
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Speaker 3: and everything else that is I mean even before we
19:15
Speaker 3: even like put out, before anybody knew anything, we were like, okay,
19:18
Speaker 3: here's a laundry list of the things that people are
19:20
Speaker 3: not gonna like, Oh what was that? All of the
19:24
Speaker 3: things that they all of the things that they ended
19:27
Speaker 3: up not liking, like all the things that anybody on
19:30
Speaker 3: the internet argued about and continues to argue about about
19:33
Speaker 3: our band. If anyone thinks that we didn't think of
19:36
Speaker 3: those things, they're crazy, Like, I we live and breathe
19:39
Speaker 3: this band. We thought of all those things, and we know, Okay,
19:41
Speaker 3: that's that's is that. Okay, that's gonna be okay, right,
19:44
Speaker 3: Like they're gonna they're gonna like they open mouth, breather
19:49
Speaker 3: neck beard. Misogynist metal fan who loved our band, who
19:54
Speaker 3: loved our first two records and hasn't listened to the
19:56
Speaker 3: band since. But like thinks he's a Lincoln Park fan.
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Speaker 3: He's gonna hate this band and like be vocal about it.
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Speaker 3: So that's okay, like great, because that person's gonna get
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Speaker 3: rid placed by ostensibly like a fifteen year old girl
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Speaker 3: who's like, I've never been into like loud music before
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Speaker 3: and I want to learn to play guitar now totally,
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Speaker 3: and that is I mean, I love that.
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Speaker 2: I love that too.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more from Mike Shinoda and le
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Speaker 1: Rose after the break.
20:32
Speaker 2: How did you think about the art direction of the
20:34
Speaker 2: of from zero? Do you think about, like are you
20:38
Speaker 2: granular down to like how everybody is dressing or can
20:41
Speaker 2: everybody just wear whatever they want?
20:43
Speaker 3: The former I'm granular, I'm granular down to font kerning,
20:53
Speaker 3: I'm I get down into like I don't like the
20:57
Speaker 3: shade of color that's underneath this body of text and
21:01
Speaker 3: we need to Yeah, can you change it? Like even
21:04
Speaker 3: the like the photos and stuff, I was like the
21:06
Speaker 3: thing we were, the thing we were, the color that
21:09
Speaker 3: we were wearing got like shifted a bit in the
21:12
Speaker 3: photo and like I want to pull out the change
21:17
Speaker 3: up the colors, to pull out more of those that palette.
21:20
Speaker 3: I love it, but it's also like I do have
21:23
Speaker 3: to like at a certain point cut myself off. That's
21:26
Speaker 3: just my personality. I have to like intentionally stop, yeah,
21:31
Speaker 3: getting into the weeds on things. I love our our
21:37
Speaker 3: the art that we that we make for our albums
21:39
Speaker 3: and for our merchandise and stuff. Joe and Frank and
21:43
Speaker 3: I like get you know, we we get so excited
21:47
Speaker 3: to do it and get in the weeds on how
21:49
Speaker 3: how to make it Like our dms, our texts, our
21:53
Speaker 3: Pinterest boards or whatever are chaotic, but but like very
22:00
Speaker 3: full of energy and full of life.
22:02
Speaker 2: So when you're bringing in a new lead singer, you also,
22:06
Speaker 2: since you're so visual, you also have to like their look. Yeah,
22:10
Speaker 2: so that makes it even harder. You could find someone
22:13
Speaker 2: who sounds incredible, who's incredible songwriter, right, but they have
22:18
Speaker 2: to have a look like she has such an awesome look.
22:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. Fortunate, it was very fortunate that we didn't have
22:26
Speaker 3: to worry about that with her. Yeah, Like that's my
22:30
Speaker 3: favorite thing. Actually, my favorite thing about about having about
22:34
Speaker 3: that part of our our band dynamic now is that
22:39
Speaker 3: when we're making a female item for like our web store,
22:44
Speaker 3: then I can just like shoot the things to them
22:47
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, do you like this? Would you
22:49
Speaker 3: wear this? Or like we sent her a bunch of
22:50
Speaker 3: blanks of T shirts and fits and whatever, and she's like, yeah,
22:53
Speaker 3: these these four are the good ones and the other
22:56
Speaker 3: ones that I would never wear, and so it's it's
22:59
Speaker 3: we get to have her input on those things. Yeah,
23:03
Speaker 3: it's funny because if we didn't acknowledge that when why
23:05
Speaker 3: I was talking about, like the attention to detail. Different
23:08
Speaker 3: people in the band have that for different things. Emily
23:12
Speaker 3: and Colin are very easy going, and they haven't really
23:15
Speaker 3: I think they're they have this tendency to like stay
23:19
Speaker 3: to be easy going, but we keep pulling them in
23:22
Speaker 3: and be like no, like we want your opinion on
23:25
Speaker 3: these things. And it's it's happening more and more often now,
23:29
Speaker 3: which is really great. But the you know me, Joe,
23:32
Speaker 3: Dave and Brad have no problem like getting very granular. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:43
Speaker 2: Did it seem Was it reminiscent at all of when
23:46
Speaker 2: you were integrating Emily into the band. Did it make
23:49
Speaker 2: you remember integrating Chester into the band at all? Was
23:52
Speaker 2: there any like overlap, like where maybe the older guys.
23:56
Speaker 3: Are probably there. There were a few times when I remembered, like, oh, yeah,
24:01
Speaker 3: we had a similar conversation. The conversation we had with
24:05
Speaker 3: Emily today was similar to the conversation a conversation we
24:08
Speaker 3: have with Chess back in the day. Yeah, there were
24:12
Speaker 3: times when it kind of like occurred to me, but
24:15
Speaker 3: nothing that really stands out. It's just like you know,
24:19
Speaker 3: of course, I feel like, of course that's going to happen, right,
24:22
Speaker 3: because it's the same you're doing the same activity, right.
24:27
Speaker 3: But we also got to learn from that, like we're
24:31
Speaker 3: when we were like writing from zero, we were also
24:36
Speaker 3: having to have like like almost like logistical conversations about
24:40
Speaker 3: like Okay, well we're so focused on the studio and
24:43
Speaker 3: writing these songs that we've got like questions about the
24:46
Speaker 3: band that are like more touring related questions or like
24:50
Speaker 3: business related questions like what do we do? How do
24:52
Speaker 3: we handle this? And we needed to like talk more
24:56
Speaker 3: regularly and get on zooms and do that part of
24:59
Speaker 3: the thing. And like with any group of like brothers,
25:03
Speaker 3: like you get into some bad habits in terms of
25:05
Speaker 3: like communication style or like ways that you think about it.
25:09
Speaker 3: Like Dave for example. He was funny because he was
25:12
Speaker 3: just like I. He told us, I have this like
25:14
Speaker 3: mental block. I hear band meeting and I immediately gough right,
25:20
Speaker 3: Like He's like, and it's not it's not your fault.
25:22
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't like hanging out and talking
25:25
Speaker 3: about our band. It's that the one that we do
25:28
Speaker 3: a quote unquote meeting, like you're gonna go in and
25:32
Speaker 3: you're going to talk about good stuff and bad stuff
25:34
Speaker 3: and hard things and whatever and and stressful. And he's like,
25:37
Speaker 3: I've just my brain is just like put that in
25:40
Speaker 3: this like negative bucket and I need to like figure
25:42
Speaker 3: it out. So we actually went in and we we
25:44
Speaker 3: all had versions of that. So we all like had
25:47
Speaker 3: to like be do some like reflection and look at like, okay,
25:51
Speaker 3: what what would make it more enjoyable? Yeah, to like
25:55
Speaker 3: get on the you know, get on a zoom, not.
26:00
Speaker 2: A band meeting.
26:01
Speaker 3: Maybe.
26:02
Speaker 2: You know, do you guys ever have you done any
26:04
Speaker 2: sort of like therapy together or gone on a retreat
26:06
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I've heard about Obviously Mentala did
26:09
Speaker 2: the doc about it, but like her Pearl Jam goes
26:12
Speaker 2: on retreats together to work on communication.
26:17
Speaker 3: I don't know if we have a problem with authority
26:21
Speaker 3: or something, but that type of thing we've we've brushed
26:25
Speaker 3: up against it, and it doesn't It hasn't worked well
26:28
Speaker 3: for us because we just feel like the person, if
26:33
Speaker 3: there's a mediator, that they don't know us at all. Yeah,
26:37
Speaker 3: because they don't, right, So, like we know everybody's buttons,
26:42
Speaker 3: we know where all the bodies are buried, and you
26:45
Speaker 3: just so you can like totally subtly antagonize each other
26:51
Speaker 3: if you want to. And it's so for us it's been.
26:54
Speaker 3: It was much more about like, well, the problem isn't
26:57
Speaker 3: that we're we know each other so well. The problem
27:00
Speaker 3: is that you got to care a lot and be
27:03
Speaker 3: grateful that this thing is very special, and that when
27:09
Speaker 3: if you do something to to like antagonize your bandmate
27:14
Speaker 3: like you would antagonize your sibling, you're hurting yourself. I
27:20
Speaker 3: love the band. If I'm if I'm doing something that's
27:22
Speaker 3: making him or her uncomfortable or upset, then I'm hurting myself. Yeah.
27:27
Speaker 3: So I think that we thankfully have a very emotionally
27:33
Speaker 3: intelligent band who can self regulate to some degree.
27:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that. And as someone who's been
27:40
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of hate for you know, decades,
27:44
Speaker 2: not all hate, but there's been. You know, people have
27:47
Speaker 2: critical opinions. Do you find that you're less likely to
27:52
Speaker 2: do the same for other bands or like do you
27:56
Speaker 2: get involved in conversations online for artists that you love
28:00
Speaker 2: and do you ever have critical opinions?
28:03
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like to get down in the
28:05
Speaker 3: dirt with people on stuff online, online arguments or life.
28:09
Speaker 3: Probably the biggest waste of time I can think up.
28:12
Speaker 3: So that's really not my not my cup of tea.
28:16
Speaker 3: Everybody who who reaches a lot of listeners reaches also
28:22
Speaker 3: a lot of haters. Like you can't have one and
28:25
Speaker 3: not the other. And so like for us when it first,
28:33
Speaker 3: like when we first did our launch show, that surprise
28:36
Speaker 3: show that we live streamed, I was kind of like
28:39
Speaker 3: struggling to find like, Okay, how did it get received?
28:42
Speaker 3: Because you can't go into the chaos of social media
28:46
Speaker 3: and expect to hear the actual truth. I know that
28:50
Speaker 3: the people there were having an incredible time, but also
28:54
Speaker 3: like they were really really happy. They were crying, yeah,
28:59
Speaker 3: and they were emotional, and also it's like there's a
29:03
Speaker 3: lot it's a huge change. Right, there's a lot to process,
29:07
Speaker 3: and so they were like processing in real time and
29:09
Speaker 3: then they went online and they were processing out loud
29:12
Speaker 3: and getting together with everybody else was doing the same.
29:15
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until we started getting actual numbers, like data,
29:20
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, this is this is amazing
29:22
Speaker 3: from my brain because I can I can say actually
29:28
Speaker 3: this many people are listening to it, and it actually
29:31
Speaker 3: people actually do like it.
29:33
Speaker 2: How did you guys know in the beginning with hybrid
29:36
Speaker 2: theory that it was catching on, that it was actually working.
29:38
Speaker 2: I mean the South, you know, there was sound scans
29:41
Speaker 2: so you could see how many units you were selling. Yeah,
29:44
Speaker 2: you don't get that, like and you know, you don't
29:46
Speaker 2: get the Internet response, which no, it's hard to measure allway.
29:51
Speaker 3: I hate the like Peanut gallery of the of social media.
29:56
Speaker 3: It's like I really don't participate. I mean my my
30:01
Speaker 3: Twitter now is like, you know, I don't like that platform.
30:06
Speaker 3: I don't like how people act on it. I rarely
30:08
Speaker 3: go on on it. I prefer Instagram. I like TikTok,
30:12
Speaker 3: but I don't actually post much on it because I
30:14
Speaker 3: don't feel like compelled to. It doesn't feel like the
30:17
Speaker 3: place for me to post very much, but I do
30:19
Speaker 3: woul like look at it. But yeah, it's like, you know,
30:23
Speaker 3: when we were getting started, like you didn't have those things,
30:26
Speaker 3: so you weren't mired by the admired in the like
30:29
Speaker 3: the chaos of people's opinions and by the way, not
30:32
Speaker 3: real opinions. You were just only getting their snap judgments, yes,
30:36
Speaker 3: and like whatever they can fit into the shortest little
30:38
Speaker 3: like couple sentences. So we didn't have that. We had
30:42
Speaker 3: like going out and playing shows, being on the road,
30:44
Speaker 3: like meeting people in person. Oh, this show had you know,
30:48
Speaker 3: we had one hundred fans. This show we had one
30:49
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty fans. This show we had three hundred fans.
30:52
Speaker 3: Like we could tell from people showing up that they
30:56
Speaker 3: were that it was working.
30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the time when Lincoln Park was out,
31:01
Speaker 2: the first couple albums, one thing that really distinguished you
31:05
Speaker 2: was the lyrics and how vulnerable they were. And we
31:08
Speaker 2: were talking earlier about you know, like dude bands, and
31:12
Speaker 2: that really seems like something that was different, especially with
31:15
Speaker 2: all the male bands. Did you guys know that at
31:18
Speaker 2: the time, Was that something that you consciously was.
31:21
Speaker 3: One of the main things that we that main things
31:24
Speaker 3: that we intentionally focused on to differentiate ourselves because one
31:28
Speaker 3: of the things we one of the things we loved
31:30
Speaker 3: about what was going on and in rock music alternative
31:35
Speaker 3: music was the sound of everything. Like we really liked
31:39
Speaker 3: the sound, and we really liked the way that new
31:44
Speaker 3: bands were mixing in hip hop and electronic. But our
31:50
Speaker 3: criticism of it was that they were tourists when it
31:54
Speaker 3: came to those other genres, Like they were mixing them in,
31:59
Speaker 3: but they didn't go deep into any of those genres,
32:01
Speaker 3: Like they were just hearing like five ten songs by
32:04
Speaker 3: so and so and then like using things that they heard,
32:07
Speaker 3: Whereas that's all I listened too, and I listened to
32:10
Speaker 3: like ninety percent that and then to do rock, I
32:13
Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is like I love specific rock
32:17
Speaker 3: groups and I like all this hip hop electronic music.
32:21
Speaker 3: So one thing that was like that was a thing.
32:25
Speaker 3: And then when it came to as you were talking about,
32:27
Speaker 3: like the lyrics. One thing that we really didn't like
32:30
Speaker 3: about a lot of the bands that were coming out
32:33
Speaker 3: is that everything felt like a frat party. It was
32:35
Speaker 3: just like this like belligerent, drunk, misogynistic, I'm gonna kick
32:41
Speaker 3: your ass. Everything was I'm gonna kick your ass. Yeah,
32:43
Speaker 3: And now we were just like the least I'm gonna
32:48
Speaker 3: kick your ass group of guys, and so that's what
32:52
Speaker 3: the lyrics became. We were like, Yeah, this is we relate,
32:55
Speaker 3: this is the type of band that we relate.
32:58
Speaker 2: So smart. I heard you also say that in the
33:01
Speaker 2: early days that instead of just like going out and
33:04
Speaker 2: playing tons of shows, you guys sort of laid low
33:07
Speaker 2: and just practiced and really stared out.
33:10
Speaker 3: Because the idea was that all of the baby bands
33:14
Speaker 3: in our like in at La Area, they were out
33:17
Speaker 3: playing as much as they could because they loved playing,
33:20
Speaker 3: but they were out playing like covers, or they were
33:23
Speaker 3: out playing crappy songs that they had just thrown together
33:25
Speaker 3: that week, and they'd play every week or two weeks.
33:28
Speaker 3: We would play every few months. We would rarely play
33:32
Speaker 3: because we'd spend all that time making new songs, and
33:35
Speaker 3: then when we played, we got to play a whole
33:37
Speaker 3: bunch of new songs that would we put a ton
33:39
Speaker 3: of effort into. And I think that's certainly one of
33:44
Speaker 3: the cornerstones of what we do. Like we spend a
33:46
Speaker 3: lot a lot more time crafting a song than a
33:50
Speaker 3: lot of folks. I in fact, one of the you
33:52
Speaker 3: know earlier we were talking about when I was doing
33:55
Speaker 3: sessions with other younger artists, first thing I noticed is
34:00
Speaker 3: they don't spend enough time on their songs. They think
34:03
Speaker 3: that like they they write a song in an afternoon,
34:06
Speaker 3: and they think that going back to it like the
34:08
Speaker 3: next day or the next week and working on it
34:10
Speaker 3: another day is like, Oh, this is really like we
34:13
Speaker 3: really put the work in. Yeah, I have worked. I
34:17
Speaker 3: have songs that have been in some version of like conceptualization,
34:25
Speaker 3: like they're foggy ideas of songs. I have ones that
34:29
Speaker 3: are like ten years old, like it's not even close.
34:34
Speaker 3: I've tried like breaking the habit was notoriously a song
34:37
Speaker 3: that I had written a bunch of different I tried
34:40
Speaker 3: to write that song a bunch of different times, and
34:43
Speaker 3: the one that made the album was when I sat
34:45
Speaker 3: down and it poured out of me in like an
34:47
Speaker 3: hour and a half. I was like, oh, wow, that's
34:50
Speaker 3: the way this song is supposed to go, and it
34:52
Speaker 3: was you know. From there, then we crafted and crafted
34:56
Speaker 3: and crafted it over over weeks. Sometimes a great song
35:00
Speaker 3: does just come out very quickly, but you're lucky if
35:03
Speaker 3: it does. Like I feel like most of the time,
35:06
Speaker 3: you got to know that something's inside. It's like sculpture. Yeah,
35:10
Speaker 3: you got a big old piece of granite, and you've
35:12
Speaker 3: got to like get inside there and have a vision
35:16
Speaker 3: for what's in there. What's the secret that it's like holding.
35:20
Speaker 2: Can you remember in your career overall, any significant musical
35:26
Speaker 2: breakthroughs you've had like a moment where maybe something that
35:29
Speaker 2: wasn't working all of a sudden worked, or you figured
35:32
Speaker 2: something out and it just sort of like opened up
35:35
Speaker 2: an entire new door or direction for you.
35:41
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like it happens. That's like the
35:45
Speaker 3: thing that always brings me back to making of songs
35:48
Speaker 3: and albums is that thing, Like I'm always chasing that
35:53
Speaker 3: thing because that the moment when you go, oh, I
35:55
Speaker 3: figured out something new, or I messed around and achieved
36:01
Speaker 3: a thing like landed on a sound or a song
36:04
Speaker 3: or a lyric or a melody or something that is special.
36:09
Speaker 2: Did you always come up with all the melodies for
36:12
Speaker 2: the band?
36:13
Speaker 3: No? No, not all of them, but I do. I
36:15
Speaker 3: sit in the driver's seat in it. Like I didn't
36:19
Speaker 3: even know it was called produce. It was called producing
36:21
Speaker 3: until Rick we worked with Rick. Rick was like, oh,
36:24
Speaker 3: you're like the producer in the band, and I was
36:26
Speaker 3: like I am. That's when I started, like, you know,
36:29
Speaker 3: asking for a producer. Everybody was like, yeah, of course,
36:32
Speaker 3: I don't know why I was not aware of that's
36:34
Speaker 3: what it was. And of course it's different, like different
36:37
Speaker 3: genres of music have different definitions of what a producer is.
36:41
Speaker 3: I'm a producer in more of the more traditional like
36:46
Speaker 3: pop or rock sense, where I like to like it's
36:49
Speaker 3: almost like a curation and a direction thing, and I'm
36:52
Speaker 3: trying to like pull all the best stuff from the
36:56
Speaker 3: whole band and group of people working and like get
37:00
Speaker 3: it into the song in the most exciting and effective way.
37:06
Speaker 3: So yeah, So when when you know I do have
37:09
Speaker 3: like us, sometimes I'll come in with a lot of
37:12
Speaker 3: a song and it's like eighty percent there, and other
37:15
Speaker 3: times I come in with nothing and I just have
37:17
Speaker 3: Like the other day, I sat down with Colin and
37:19
Speaker 3: I got together. We were just screwing around making something,
37:22
Speaker 3: and all I had that I walked in with was Hey,
37:25
Speaker 3: I listened like three three These three songs came up
37:28
Speaker 3: on my phone and on shuffle today and I noticed
37:32
Speaker 3: that they had something in common, Like, let's start there,
37:36
Speaker 3: let's work on the thing that is in common in
37:38
Speaker 3: these three songs. And the thing that was in common
37:40
Speaker 3: was like it had a verse that was quiet and
37:42
Speaker 3: in loud and then quiet as loud and it worked.
37:45
Speaker 3: Like it's not, you know, any more specific than that.
37:48
Speaker 3: It's very like it's barely enough to say, let's write
37:53
Speaker 3: a song like this.
37:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, last break can be back with Mike Shinoto.
38:03
Speaker 2: If you had to make a playlist, and you don't
38:05
Speaker 2: have to answer this if you think it's stupid, but
38:08
Speaker 2: if you had to make a playlist of Lincoln Parks,
38:11
Speaker 2: maybe not best songs, but songs for someone who didn't
38:15
Speaker 2: know the band at all. Like if it's an alien
38:17
Speaker 2: and you have to present a playlist or a group
38:20
Speaker 2: of like, you know, five songs, what would you share.
38:25
Speaker 3: Well, I've done this. I've done this before, Like I've
38:29
Speaker 3: been asked to like curate our you know, oh, he's
38:32
Speaker 3: gonna be on this radio station or it's gonna be
38:35
Speaker 3: on this playlist for this thing. And I'd say in general,
38:39
Speaker 3: like some of the ones that I'm really proud of
38:42
Speaker 3: that I think really sum up the band, or like
38:45
Speaker 3: most fans know that I love. Waiting for the end
38:47
Speaker 3: off of a Thousand Suns Papercut was first song on
38:53
Speaker 3: hybrid theory for a reason we were we knew that
38:56
Speaker 3: one had like that was the best signature Lincoln part,
39:00
Speaker 3: like it has all of the hallmarks of everything that
39:02
Speaker 3: we did and we're going to do for a while.
39:07
Speaker 3: There's a reason that people like in the and and
39:10
Speaker 3: what I've done, Like those are those are ones that
39:13
Speaker 3: I think you know when even when they weren't finished yet,
39:17
Speaker 3: Like when we were making them, I I remembered coming
39:20
Speaker 3: up with with the piano and the verse and the
39:23
Speaker 3: chorus melody for in the end and playing it for
39:25
Speaker 3: our our our drummer Rob at the time, and he
39:28
Speaker 3: was like he had showed up. He showed up at
39:31
Speaker 3: the rehearsal studio for a practice and I had slept
39:35
Speaker 3: it slept there overnight just trying to like it was
39:40
Speaker 3: like a like a so I guess the story is
39:42
Speaker 3: its like a like I was I basically created like
39:45
Speaker 3: a like a sensory deprivation chamber. Like it's this windowless
39:49
Speaker 3: place with like a horrible couch and like just disgusting,
39:54
Speaker 3: And I just sat in there and wrote until I
39:57
Speaker 3: didn't even know what time it was. And the thing
40:00
Speaker 3: that I came out of it that was the most
40:02
Speaker 3: exciting was in the end and he was like, this
40:04
Speaker 3: is this this is the most special song. He's like,
40:08
Speaker 3: I We've got like I've been I've been literally dreaming
40:12
Speaker 3: of a song like this for our album. Wow. So
40:16
Speaker 3: things like that, I think like we as a band,
40:18
Speaker 3: like we know when those things come up. Kind of
40:21
Speaker 3: like it kind of like speaks to the last to
40:24
Speaker 3: your last question, which is that sometimes when the when
40:30
Speaker 3: the special song is happening, like you just we get
40:34
Speaker 3: a feeling like we know. It's not about it's not
40:38
Speaker 3: like a oh people are gonna like this. I don't
40:41
Speaker 3: really operate I try actually then to not operate with
40:46
Speaker 3: that as a primary driver or like metric. It's more
40:51
Speaker 3: about like I just as the song is going, like
40:55
Speaker 3: I know that I want to listen to it. I
40:58
Speaker 3: think that's the that's really the big aha moment that happens.
41:03
Speaker 2: What song or songs do you think you've had the
41:06
Speaker 2: best performance on?
41:09
Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't know. It's funny I was thinking
41:13
Speaker 3: the other day because I was I was trying to
41:14
Speaker 3: work out a this is maybe not exactly what you're asking.
41:20
Speaker 3: But I was looking at some of the rap verses
41:23
Speaker 3: that I've done on our stuff, and some of my
41:28
Speaker 3: favorite rap verses that I've done are on deeper cuts.
41:32
Speaker 3: They're not usually on the singles, which is really too bad.
41:38
Speaker 2: What are some that come to mind?
41:40
Speaker 3: I was thinking of, Well, I have a song called
41:43
Speaker 3: Kenji off of my My fort Minor album, which is one,
41:47
Speaker 3: and then there's a song. We have a song called
41:49
Speaker 3: all for Nothing off The Hunting Party. That album was
41:52
Speaker 3: with Page Hamilton, and I got to do that with
41:54
Speaker 3: Paige this on the last tour, like we happened to
41:57
Speaker 3: be playing. We took a helmet open for us, and
42:02
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, we could finally play this song
42:04
Speaker 3: like we had. I'll learn it and stuff. Nobody even
42:07
Speaker 3: they even and Joe I had never played it before live,
42:10
Speaker 3: so or at least we hadn't in a really really
42:13
Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't a mainstay in the set. So
42:16
Speaker 3: like those verses, I really like, there's a handful of
42:19
Speaker 3: other ones, but again they're all like deep cuts.
42:22
Speaker 2: What did it mean to you as just a fan
42:25
Speaker 2: and someone who grew up listening to hip hop to
42:27
Speaker 2: do the collaboration with jay Z. Like it sounds like
42:30
Speaker 2: that maybe you weren't together too much for the collaboration,
42:34
Speaker 2: like it was sent back and forth.
42:36
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean well it was fast. It didn't
42:40
Speaker 3: It didn't take much for me to put that to
42:43
Speaker 3: mash those songs up, like they were already you know,
42:46
Speaker 3: primed for that kind of approach. Yeah, similar key, similar tempo.
42:53
Speaker 3: I did most of the work on my like in
42:55
Speaker 3: the bus and Jay had been asked by MTV to
43:00
Speaker 3: do this mashup thing. They said, who do you want
43:02
Speaker 3: to deal with? He said, Lincoln Park. They reached out
43:04
Speaker 3: to us. I'm like literally made three songs, like numb
43:08
Speaker 3: OnCore was one of them. I just sent them three
43:11
Speaker 3: mashups and he was like, holy shit, And.
43:14
Speaker 2: Was that exciting for you?
43:15
Speaker 3: Were like, oh yeah, we were such fans. Yeah, and
43:20
Speaker 3: uh yeah. I like got together once we got off
43:24
Speaker 3: the road and he was available. We got together at
43:26
Speaker 3: a studio, at a studio that we always worked at,
43:30
Speaker 3: and spent I mean it was like a day basically
43:35
Speaker 3: it was like like you know, getting some new vocals
43:38
Speaker 3: on it and stuff. And maybe there was a second day.
43:41
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but like I think we were with
43:43
Speaker 3: him for like a day and then yeah, I I
43:45
Speaker 3: you know, I think Brad and I from that point,
43:48
Speaker 3: Brad and I kind of like finished up the production
43:51
Speaker 3: part of it and I mixed it and the next
43:56
Speaker 3: step was to get on stage together at the was
44:01
Speaker 3: it the Roxy or the Whiskey? I don't remember when
44:03
Speaker 3: it been the Whiskey. It was like, really it was,
44:06
Speaker 3: I think we were So he's very he's a bit
44:10
Speaker 3: aloof yes, So he he was. He wasn't like making
44:16
Speaker 3: himself super available, you know what I mean. And we
44:22
Speaker 3: did get some like hangout like like hot dinner and
44:25
Speaker 3: like we did get some good like non music time
44:29
Speaker 3: with him and his crew. But you know, the the
44:32
Speaker 3: people around him were much more effusive and vocal and
44:37
Speaker 3: like all that. Jay was very like aof is the
44:41
Speaker 3: perfect word? Yeah?
44:44
Speaker 2: Is there a band that Lincoln Park really like vibes
44:47
Speaker 2: with that maybe wouldn't be obvious someone that you've or
44:51
Speaker 2: a group you've encountered on the road, or someone you've
44:54
Speaker 2: worked with in the past, where you guys are just
44:56
Speaker 2: like a crazy good fit.
44:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I always joke with Pete from Fallout Boy,
45:02
Speaker 3: A lot of people know that we're we're friendly, and
45:05
Speaker 3: Pete is just Pete's very sweet guy. He's really funny,
45:08
Speaker 3: and he also like when they first came out, I
45:12
Speaker 3: think he knows that. Like I was like, ugh, like
45:15
Speaker 3: what is this I for some reason, like when I
45:18
Speaker 3: first saw him in their first video, I was like, oh,
45:20
Speaker 3: I don't like that guy at all. And I think
45:23
Speaker 3: he was much more like at that point, he was
45:25
Speaker 3: like really like trying to be a star. And I
45:28
Speaker 3: may have been like reacting badly to that. And eventually
45:33
Speaker 3: a mutual friend put us together and was like, I
45:35
Speaker 3: don't know why you guys haven't hung out, Like you
45:38
Speaker 3: guys are so similar, just the way you talk, the
45:40
Speaker 3: way you think and stuff, and he had like put
45:42
Speaker 3: us together, and I begrudgingly like got into a conversation
45:45
Speaker 3: with Pete and I was like, Oh, this guy's actually
45:48
Speaker 3: really great. Yeah, I mean, but there's tons, I mean,
45:52
Speaker 3: there's so many different, so many people the band, like
45:56
Speaker 3: you know gets along with I know Dave, actually, I
45:58
Speaker 3: know Dave spends a bunch of time with like Mike
46:02
Speaker 3: and Tray from Green Day and oh cool. Well, I
46:05
Speaker 3: was telling somebody the other day one of my kids
46:07
Speaker 3: friends is like obsessed with my chemical romance, and I
46:11
Speaker 3: was like, you don't even know, like they're the like
46:14
Speaker 3: Gerard in particular is like one of the sweetest guys
46:16
Speaker 3: in the world, and that tour we did with that
46:19
Speaker 3: band is like, to this day, my favorite tour that
46:22
Speaker 3: we've done because they we were so we had such
46:26
Speaker 3: a strong, like friendly competition with them. They were direct support.
46:30
Speaker 3: They played right before us and played so well and
46:34
Speaker 3: so hard every single night that they gave us a
46:36
Speaker 3: run for our money, Like we were we had to
46:38
Speaker 3: play better because they were playing so well.
46:42
Speaker 2: Did you guys actually talk about it or was it
46:45
Speaker 2: just like all the time?
46:47
Speaker 3: All the time? I would like like I would we'd
46:50
Speaker 3: Gerard and I would see each other on like backstage
46:53
Speaker 3: or whatever, and we'd be like, dude, I think you
46:55
Speaker 3: got us last night. That was a good one. And
46:59
Speaker 3: it was back and forth. And he met his wife
47:02
Speaker 3: on that on that tour as well, so that we
47:04
Speaker 3: were like I was seeing him less because he was
47:07
Speaker 3: hanging out with Lindsay Love.
47:10
Speaker 2: So what's the latest, what's next? I know we're almost
47:13
Speaker 2: at time. What's like right now for Lincoln Park? What
47:15
Speaker 2: are you guys focusing on?
47:16
Speaker 3: I mean so much? Well, I think the most important
47:18
Speaker 3: thing is like we're in the midst of putting out
47:22
Speaker 3: a few new songs, so we added we have a
47:25
Speaker 3: deluxe version from zero out now, and yeah, it's gonna
47:29
Speaker 3: have three new songs. We've debuted one of them it's
47:31
Speaker 3: called Up from the Bottom. We love the song, and
47:34
Speaker 3: the other two we love just as much, if not more.
47:37
Speaker 3: And we're gonna be on tour heavy. This is like
47:40
Speaker 3: probably the most aggressive tour year we've had in like
47:45
Speaker 3: over a decade, maybe fifteen years. It's a lot of shows,
47:50
Speaker 3: and the US in particular, we made a point to
47:54
Speaker 3: like play a bunch of markets that we don't we
47:56
Speaker 3: haven't hit in forever or we wouldn't usually get around to,
48:00
Speaker 3: but to go to so we're super excited about that.
48:02
Speaker 3: Gonna hit Europe after that and come back and play
48:04
Speaker 3: more shows in the US and then go to Latin America.
48:07
Speaker 2: How do you prepare for that? Personal, like, just as
48:10
Speaker 2: far as taking care of yourself.
48:13
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's that that, like, you know, very
48:17
Speaker 3: much like pacing yourself. It's a marathon, honest print, Like
48:21
Speaker 3: you gotta you know, pay attention to the fact that
48:25
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's we have months and months of
48:28
Speaker 3: shows coming up, and we tend to like we tend
48:31
Speaker 3: to take it pretty easy on the road anyway. Like
48:35
Speaker 3: I think Emily's actually even more like right now, she's
48:40
Speaker 3: she's ever since we started these shows, like she's been
48:43
Speaker 3: very diligent about her her you know, diet, her sleep,
48:49
Speaker 3: her resting, her voice, Like every day off, every day
48:52
Speaker 3: off is the vocal rest day. She actually doesn't speak
48:55
Speaker 3: out loud on those days. Not kidding you.
48:58
Speaker 2: I could see why, I know.
49:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then yeah, and it's funny too because I
49:07
Speaker 3: was thinking about it, and she's taking really care of
49:09
Speaker 3: a voice. But then like when we're in rehearsals, we'll
49:11
Speaker 3: do like four days in a row of like five
49:15
Speaker 3: hour rehearsals, or like when she came would come in
49:18
Speaker 3: here and like record like we she'd be singing all
49:21
Speaker 3: day and like her voice was it was great. It
49:24
Speaker 3: was her voice was fine. So I know she's just
49:26
Speaker 3: like being extra careful. Yeah, but uh yeah, the tour,
49:31
Speaker 3: This tour is like a very very ambitious schedule and
49:36
Speaker 3: ambitious tour and we're super we were very excited about
49:39
Speaker 3: so we want to really pace ourselves and do a
49:42
Speaker 3: great job.
49:43
Speaker 2: Cool, Well, thank you, so much, Mike for taking so
49:46
Speaker 2: much time. I appreciate you and congrats on the success
49:49
Speaker 2: of the new album.
49:51
Speaker 3: Thank you, and.
49:53
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear the next new album. Sounds like you're.
49:56
Speaker 3: Working with We've got like I said, we got two
49:58
Speaker 3: more songs in the pipeline, we got two on the way,
50:01
Speaker 3: so I'm excited for everybody to hear those.
50:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, have fun on tour. Take care of yourself, all right.
50:06
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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