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SpaceX Starship and NASA team up for new Mission in Low Earth Orbit · Elon Musk Podcast

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  SpaceX is collaborating with NASA on an integrated low earth.
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  Orbit architecture to provide a growing portfolio of Technology
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  with near-term. Dragon evolution and concurrent
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  Starship development. Now this architecture includes
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  Starship as a transportation and in space, low earth, orbit
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  destination, element supported by super-heavy.
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  That's the Starship dragon and starlink we had two constituent
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  capabilities including crew and cargo transportation.
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  Station Communications and operational and ground support
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  today. I'm so joining me today is Neil
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  Thorn and we're going to be talking about what this means
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  from NASA. And what SpaceX is capable of
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  and how this is going to change, space travel and space
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  exploration forever. And how this can eventually turn
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  into a thing that SpaceX could use for their Mars,
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  Transportation be a Starship. But before we get into this
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  conversation, let's take a moment.
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  Listen to a word from our sponsors.
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  How you doing today? Neal, I'm doing just great.
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  How are you? I am doing fantastic.
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  Thank you for asking. So the Starship going into low
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  earth orbit, and it seems like SpaceX and NASA are working
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  together to use this as some sort of Transportation Hub or
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  some sort of space station in the near term.
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  And do you think that's what they're looking at here?
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  We don't know. It's a very vague sort of
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  approach that NASA is taking they're not saying billed as a
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  space station. Saying help us out in low earth
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  orbit hard to say exactly what it is they're expecting out of
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  this. I've thought for you ever since
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  the Starship became a thing that putting this huge object into
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  space. This Starship which one Starship
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  has more interior volume than the space station does.
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  Right now you link three or four of those together and suddenly
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  you've got quite a bit of space up there to reactivities.
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  Yeah, it'll be an interesting next few years for the Starship
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  and for NASA, because eventually NASA will be the orbiting the
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  International Space Station. What is it?
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  20 30, I believe 2030 2032 or something.
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  So, somewhere around there, always seems to be a flexible
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  number. Yeah, that's it always seems
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  like I think they wanted to do in 2026 at some point.
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  Yeah. And then they think it's long as
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  it's useful though. They're going to keep it going.
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  But yeah, I think so too. I think as long as The taxpayers
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  can pay for it. And as long as yeah, the they're
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  seeing some returns from it. It's such an expensive thing to
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  run. Every day to keep six people up
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  there, it's just such an expense And everything in there is so
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  outdated. At this point, the technology is
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  advancing so fast, your honor that even something, they
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  started building six years ago that got sent up there.
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  Two years ago, is so far beyond the technology right now that it
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  almost becomes irrelevant. Yeah.
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  And SpaceX is working currently on their starship program and in
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  the next, hopefully we can see this in the next, as Ilan, said
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  six to eight weeks another launch of Starship and When that
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  happens, we'll see if it's actually going to be a
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  possibility or feasibility that this will make it to orbit.
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  And once it does make it to orbit these studies that SpaceX
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  and NASA will be working together on could become a
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  thing. And they have to work together
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  to get SpaceX is Starship on to the Moon as well for Artemis 3.
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  So maybe this could be part of that because they need to dock
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  with the Space X star ship in order to get to the moon.
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  So as you say everything that they need to use to help NASA
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  here, They have to do for the moon as well.
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  So it's going to be being built in sequence.
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  I think in parallel I should say, yeah, they're going to be
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  using super heavy which is the Starship program a dragon and
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  starlink. So the dragon will more than
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  likely be docking with it. And I think the Polaris program
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  will be using a dragon to duck with a Starship.
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  I think what's going to happen is they're going to send a
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  Starship to orbit. We're going to get it up there,
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  then they're going to send the crew of Polaris program.
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  In a capsule Dragon capsule on a falcon 9 in the dock with a
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  Starship kind of mimicking. What they're going to be doing
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  with the Starship in the Orion capsule.
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  And then they're going to they're going to go inside the
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  Starship and do some testing and do some science and some
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  experimenting some engineering and see if it's actually
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  feasible to live in one for a little bit and then do some
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  more, some more testing inside and maybe outside of the
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  Starship. So I think that's what they're
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  thinking here. I'm not 100% sure but yeah it's
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  very vague. It really is very vague this
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  whole wording. I think they kept.
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  That way. So I think so.
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  So they can't be like this Starship is going to replace the
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  International Space Station. Exactly.
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  I think that would make a lot of companies, very angry, the blue
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  Origins, the Axiom space, all these people would be very upset
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  at that. So I think you keep it vague
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  they're going to help us out. We're going to use their
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  capabilities to further our goals as it.
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  Yeah. And maybe I go happens to be a
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  new space station perhaps be news.
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  Space station. Yeah.
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  Maybe eventually they will. Maybe eventually they will turn
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  a International Space Station. Turn it away, get rid of it and
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  then they'll put couple Starships together, or even one
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  Starship, he's a hunter. There's a thousand, cubic meters
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  estimated, in terior volume of a Starship.
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  Which if built right can hold for Earth to Earth transport.
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  100 people. According to Elon Musk more than
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  likely for these kind of machines, it'll be something
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  similar to the International Space.
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  Where it's about six people. Maybe the Starship could hold a
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  little bit more because the space station has 915 cubic
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  meters of internal space and it's not that much different.
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  It's 85 M3 different. So you could put some more
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  supplies in this Starship but literally yeah it's no the space
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  in the state space station is more compartmentalize so it's
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  more usable space. Yeah, than the Starship which
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  would be more open plan. But obviously much probably much
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  better for people's psyches as well.
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  Yeah, I think so. Most of the renderings we've
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  seen have has been a tube through the Middle with a ladder
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  or some sort of Transport in the Middle where you can go from
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  section to section but it's pretty wide open through the
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  whole Starship. And I think just people spend a
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  year plus on the International Space Station and their
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  segmented off doing their experiments.
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  Don't see anybody maybe all day maybe throughout the day, they
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  might see one or two people but if they maybe there's seven
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  eight people in a Starship maybe you.
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  See all the way through the star ship while people are working.
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  I think they'll be really neat. I don't know if that's how it's
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  going to accept you. I think it would be a much more
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  enjoyable atmosphere to even if you're not working with somebody
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  that they happen to be across the nine meter gap between you
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  and work on something else. And you can see them.
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  I think that camaraderie gets built and then again, people can
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  also get on your nerves. Much faster.
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  Yeah, that's true. So obviously, when they select
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  an astronaut, they do a lot of psychological studies to make
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  sure they're going to live. And play well with others that
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  we have to continue. Yeah.
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  And sending 100 people and Starship to any long distances
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  is really difficult to conceive of what are we talking 17?
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  16, 17 people per sort of Our ship, if you will, I can't
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  imagine traveling. Very long distance.
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  Stuck in the same room, my sort of bedroom, if you will the
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  entire time, that would be very difficult because it wouldn't be
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  much room for anything else. Yeah, that's true there.
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  So the there's been talks of how many people could go on Mars
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  ship to a from anywhere from six people to some people were
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  saying 30 people. There were some people that were
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  saying upwards of People to Mars.
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  I don't think it's gonna be 100 people.
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  I think that's ridiculous. I think that's way too many.
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  But I think if you have something like this where SpaceX
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  and NASA are working together, low earth orbit, they can try
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  different configurations for the long term, Mars transport
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  because you could have two star ships docked together, what
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  they're going to be doing with the refueling of the tanker is
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  for the art of his missions. Instead of a tanker you have
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  just another Starship where people can Load between the
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  Starships there's a port and there could be a section where
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  it's like a living section. Whereas just your workout is
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  sleep, there's maybe some entertainment, there's big
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  windows and also there could be a variant where it's just cargo
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  where there's just a touch like so much food and you're going to
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  have to bring a lot of water to Mars or even to low earth orbit.
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  So sure, there's a possibility that's what they're going to be
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  working on as well. It is going to take wish you
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  were to happen really fast. But space transport, space,
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  technology, engineering and science.
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  All take a long time. So what they're building now,
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  maybe 50 years from now will see the ultimate gain of we're going
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  to be taking normal trips to Mars.
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  There's going to be this numerous trips per year to get
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  to Mars and I believe the next The closest of Mars is going to
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  be the Earth is going to be 20 24.
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  So maybe if Starship gets to orbit this year and then maybe
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  next year. Who knows?
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  Maybe they're going to start trying to get to Mars.
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  Just shoot a Starship. Yeah, shooter Starship without
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  any intention of Landing it. Yeah.
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  It just try to get into Mars orbit, or at least use the orbit
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  slow you down, so you could land if you wanted to.
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  Yep, obviously, that's the hardest part about.
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  Any trip to Mars is making sure you hit the right spot so you
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  don't burn up in the atmosphere or get slingshotted out into
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  space bounce off the atmosphere, so it's very difficult to do and
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  that's where the majority of sort of things being shot at
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  Mars fail. So it's, they're going to enough
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  practice that for sure. Yeah, right now, the practicing
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  getting thing to orbit around Earth which is comparatively way
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  easier. So it's going to take some time
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  and some, yeah, who knows? Who knows.
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  We'll see what happens with the next star, ship launched to see
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  whether they actually get to orbit and there's no
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  complications and destroy the pad.
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  And if that all goes to plan, then yeah I could potentially
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  see them trying to stretch themselves.
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  Obviously SpaceX is iterative design company and they're not
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  afraid to say. Okay, we did it.
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  Let's move on ship 15 was the first one to land.
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  They didn't bother. Al and another one.
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  Is that good? Let's move on.
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  Yeah I could see them getting to orbit and saying good let's move
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  on I can see that too. Yeah, and saying okay we made
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  the orbit. Now we need a tanker up there.
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  Let's do that. Okay, now that's done.
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  We don't need to do it a hundred times before they put people in
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  this Starship. They'll have to do it a hundred
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  times, but if they're just doing test, they're going to be happy
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  with what they got and move on to the next challenge.
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  Yeah, and even between the first launched in this next launch,
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  it's coming up, they switched, I think it, I think, Ilan said,
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  hundreds of things, maybe a thousand things, something like
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  that between the last Starship and a super heavy.
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  And the next one that's going up.
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  And one of the most important things is that it going to be
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  doing hot staging between the booster in the ship, which is a
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  sold on that just yet but we'll see how it goes.
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  Yeah, that seems like an incredible feat.
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  I don't. See that a lot of Russian
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  spacecraft have done that in the past and it seems to be pretty
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  pretty well documented, but I think SpaceX could pull it off.
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  I don't know if it's going to work this time.
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  It's the first trial and error. Exactly right.
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  This is all trial. This is all to be done to be
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  determined. They'll have to they'll figure
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  it out. It's not impossible to do just a
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  matter of figuring out how to make their current build sustain
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  that sort of blast as as they separate.
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  Yeah obviously I'll need some way to exhaust the flame as it
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  comes out but also the top the Dome of the the boosters going
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  to have to withstand the all those engines lighting as well.
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  Yeah, I don't understand how they're going to do it.
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  I don't really understand that technology that much but it
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  seems like they have to reinforce like it's a stainless
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  steel Dome on this thing. So they have three or six
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  something? Yes.
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  Yeah. It's not a thick stainless steel
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  either. Plus they want to reuse these
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  100. James.
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  Yeah. So the really can't be any
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  damage from this separation for this to be successful.
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  I can't be any damage. It has to be 100% perfect if it
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  starts to wear away from the Heat or there's any damage
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  whatsoever, then it's unsuccessful.
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  It's not going to be a long-term solution to have to fix it.
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  So do you think this could be something like a for lack of a
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  better term up Puck that they put on top of the booster?
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  And they could replace it if needed.
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  So it's not going to be a might not be 100% reusable, right?
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  Way. But they could just use it.
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  It's just for that one time. And then the next hamster is
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  going to have a different pocket on it and they could do
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  something like the heat tiles. Yeah they've got on the outside
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  of the ship. They could plaster those over
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  the top of the booster and use those as an abrading.
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  Replaceable part. Yeah.
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  That but it would take some time to root inspect those every time
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  that it lands. Yeah, that's true.
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  It's similar to the Space Shuttle.
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  So yeah, I think the I think we're going to see some wild
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  stuff in this next Lodge but yeah the NASA and SpaceX
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  collaboration here. With this space station is going
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  to be a huge thing. In the funny thing is NASA is a
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  government agency and for forever.
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  They've been using taxpayers money.
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  To do things like this experiments like this, and fill
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  McAllister, the director of commercial space flight.
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  At Nasa said, it is great to see companies invest their own
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  Capital toward Innovative commercial space capabilities.
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  We've seen how these types of Partnerships benefit both the
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  private sector and NASA. So basically they're saying hey
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  all of you companies out here, blue, origin, Northrop, Grumman,
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  Sierra space SpaceX, special Aerospace Services, think
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  orbital and fast space. You spend your money.
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  You figure this out and then we're going to partner with you
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  to use your technology in the future.
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  We're going to pay for it, but you have to figure it out.
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  Like you're going to have to have a minimum viable product,
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  MVP. So we can use it for our own
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  services for the future, whether that's a space station with
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  SpaceX or if they're going to be using it.
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  Of course, for hls and further missions but it's different than
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  what it used to be for the longest time.
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  It's very different. Absolutely.
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  And it's really as a great solution Ian NASA puts so much
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  money and effort into developing things like the SLS and
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  everything that came before it a shuttle and what not to have
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  commercial companies, do all that research development and
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  testing and then just pay them a bunch of money at the end
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  ordering it as a sort of seed money.
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  It's just so much easier for everybody as far as the
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  government is concerned. And a lot less risk as well.
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  Get your hand off that risk to private companies.
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  Absolutely. It leaves so much more so much
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  more room for NASA to play around with different ideas to.
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  They don't have to stick with one thing, like the SLS.
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  They're stuck with the SLS. They can't really diverge from
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  that. And say, we're going to stop
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  doing that because Starship works.
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  Now, they have a contract, there are going to be building these
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  SLS rockets for the foreseeable future and what Starship,
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  surpasses the SLS and Technology.
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  He and wait to orbit ratio to weight ratio to orbit, but they
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  don't care because they have these contracts in place with
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  Boeing and other companies. Northrop, Grumman Etc to build
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  these SLS rockets and they can't change it.
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  You know what I really like about the Condors commercial
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  Partnerships is that someone would like SpaceX is going to
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  pay for their materials. What they should be paying as
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  opposed to what NASA pays for materials.
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  A screw NASA. Is paying for a screw might cost
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  them, a hundred dollars of screw because the companies that are
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  selling them, that's grooving, know that they can get away with
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  it. Whereas spacex's hang, we're not
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  paying that, will build a machine and make these for a
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  dime apiece. If that's what you're going to
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  bother charging us, it's a much more efficient from an economic
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  standpoint, to have the commercial Partners, take care
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  of all the stuff because they're not going to get overcharge the
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  way. NASA has traditionally been
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  overcharged Yeah, I think that's an important step forward for
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  NASA, and a important step forward for these companies.
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  Because not only do they get money for these initial projects
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  but they can add things onto it eventually.
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  So, SpaceX could say okay we have the Starship.
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  We have a crew Starship but we can also make a space station
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  Starship. Would you be interested in this
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  space station NASA could be like yeah, we like that idea.
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  That's a great idea. We're going to give you the
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  money for it even if it's just a concept right now.
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  But Since SpaceX brought it to them in a capability, it like in
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  the capacity of a like a commercial project, then they're
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  going to paint like SpaceX is going to pay for it and then
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  NASA will pay them whatever SpaceX wants to charge them.
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  So for sure, I think it's going to be a huge boost to the low
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  earth orbit economy but also the economy of these space
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  exploration as well. Yeah, and keep in mind, as well
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  as SpaceX has never had any interest in space stations.
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  Well, yeah, a little bit beyond Starling.
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  So this that would be a change of tune and would have to come
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  with a, obviously a big check behind it for them to do
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  something like that, or they see some benefit in having a station
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  in orbit, and they're willing to work with NASA to get one does,
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  is it a good starting off point for a mission to Mars or
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  something like that? To have all the tankers take,
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  all their fuel there and then you doc a ship?
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  And launcher from there, they have to determine whether that
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  makes sense or not. Yeah, I guess the tankers in
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  space, will eventually resemble or serve the same purpose as
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  that space station, right? Just having a ship in space.
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  That's gets refueled to refuel another space ship.
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  That's a space station right there.
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  Yeah. Very basic one.
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  Yeah. - the people yeah. But yeah.
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  I also think that if SpaceX does make some sort of space station,
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  out of the Starship, they can charge rent to NASA and that
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  could be recurring income for space exploration.
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  X. If they can see the ROI on a
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  Starship that's in orbit and they can make x amount of
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  dollars per year from it to continue development of better,
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  Starships, Mars Starships, ground systems infrastructure,
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  whatever. If it's going to pay for part of
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  the development of these new systems or even start link, then
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  that might be something that would be interested in.
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  Is it seems? I wouldn't say free money
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  because they still have to have people manning the systems and
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  fixing up the ships and stuff. as time goes by but once the,
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  once the ships are decommissioned, they could in
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  theory outfit, the ships with I know, like I wouldn't, I don't
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  want to say plug and play, but it could be a very
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  compartmentalized systems that they could take out of one
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  Starship and put into a newer Starship.
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  And it could be really easy to transfer those things because
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  the docking mechanisms for the hls Starship, it's pretty big.
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  If you think about the docking, the elevator systems is pretty
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  big, so maybe that could be as part of the docking system, it
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  could be big enough that they could transfer a people and be
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  supplies from one Starship to Other.
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  So decommissioned, one, take it back down to earth refurb, it do
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  whatever you got to do and then upgrade your Starship to a new
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  one. And it seems like you could have
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  a, you can have a space station forever in that case, for sure,
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  the beauty of Starship has from day one has been its cost.
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  Effectiveness, it's extremely relatively extremely cheap to
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  make. And two, they could put up
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  another one on a moment's notice at some point, right?
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  Replace a part that of a ship that is malfunctioning can bring
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  it back down. What?
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  Not, as you say before, there's a lot of other companies that
• 21:10
  are involved in this partnership with NASA.
• 21:12
  So, it's Subspace X is just one part of that.
• 21:15
  There's all kinds of ship of companies that would be doing
• 21:17
  similar things with them and for them.
• 21:19
  Yeah, blue origin. The project the blue origin is
• 21:21
  going to be used for with as NASA collaboration is integrated
• 21:25
  commercial space transportation. Patient capability than assure,
• 21:28
  safe affordable and high frequency.
• 21:29
  U.s. access to orbit for crew and other missions that does.
• 21:34
  Does that mean that they're going to be using a rocket to
• 21:36
  get to low earth. Orbit the commercial space.
• 21:39
  Transportation is the taxi as sounds like it.
• 21:42
  Yeah. Or at least one of the taxes.
• 21:44
  Yeah, sure. And nothing.
• 21:46
  It really says, nothing else says other missions.
• 21:49
  Whatever that means, but it doesn't really give them
• 21:52
  anything else. There's no other harder piece of
• 21:54
  this future, NASA. A space that they get out of
• 21:58
  this. You're ferrying people back and
• 22:01
  forth. Yeah, see our space.
• 22:04
  It is looks similarly, to develop Sierra's got Sierra gets
• 22:08
  the in space superstructure as well.
• 22:10
  They're actually primed for that next Generation space station.
• 22:15
  So they get the space transportation in spaced
• 22:18
  infrastructure and tailored space facilities to provide a
• 22:22
  human or a presence in orbit. They are really the space
• 22:26
  station provided that they can meet all of their deadlines.
• 22:29
  And what I'm be honest at that point SpaceX, seems like they're
• 22:32
  in the wings. Okay, Sierra.
• 22:34
  Can't provide what they need and they could work together.
• 22:37
  This is collaborative efforts to assess.
• 22:39
  So any one of these everything that goes up into space, needs
• 22:42
  to work with together. Yeah.
• 22:43
  Universal locks and Universal list and Universal that you
• 22:47
  can't have anything that is proprietary when you're when you
• 22:49
  talk about NASA and space it's called got to work together.
• 22:52
  Yeah. So one that's very interesting.
• 22:54
  Its vast and this is some cool wording collaborating with NASA
• 22:59
  on Technologies and operations required for its microgravity
• 23:02
  and Vishal gravity stations includes the Haven one, which
• 23:06
  will provide a microgravity environment, for career research
• 23:09
  and in space manufacturing, the first crewed mission called vast
• 23:12
  want to the platform development activities, first, larger space
• 23:15
  station modules. Also take place out of the space
• 23:17
  act agreement. So artificial gravity stations
• 23:21
  pretty sci-fi if you ask me, that's very sci-fi, that's
• 23:26
  rotating stations for sure. Yeah.
• 23:28
  And that'll take it would be able to do yours.
• 23:30
  Yeah, it'll be cool. They're gonna have to, I think,
• 23:33
  What they'll do is they'll set up a smaller.
• 23:36
  Version of we can have to incrementally, send up, smaller,
• 23:40
  medium, large, Etc, anti-gravity, artificial not
• 23:44
  anti, but artificial gravity stations.
• 23:46
  Anti-gravity would be wild but artificial gravity, station
• 23:50
  proof of concept is one of the first things, right?
• 23:52
  You got to get up there and prove that it's going to work
• 23:54
  in. It's going to be able to be
• 23:56
  stable and and what do people how do people react in that
• 24:00
  situation? We don't actually know.
• 24:02
  I can guess based on experience of we've done on Earth was
• 24:05
  spinning people around. The circle.
• 24:07
  But how long term effects of somebody being spun and just
• 24:12
  observing around them, right? This part of the station is
• 24:15
  being slower than that, part of the station, and it's all
• 24:18
  curved. And how does that affect
• 24:19
  somebody? Yeah.
• 24:21
  Curious to see. Yeah.
• 24:23
  And they're going to be a go ahead go.
• 24:24
  No, please. Alright, believe they're going
• 24:26
  to be using Starship as a transportation system.
• 24:29
  For the vast one as well for the Haven one.
• 24:32
  So to get it up there. Yeah.
• 24:34
  Yes. They're going to be using a I
• 24:36
  believe this Falcon 9. Yeah.
• 24:39
  So they can be doing the Haven one of the Falcon 9 and then I
• 24:42
  can be using the Starship eventually to so it's pretty
• 24:46
  cool. They're out of I'll get be
• 24:47
  collaborating with each other and also NASA.
• 24:49
  So it's got to be it's got that's going to happen in 2025.
• 24:53
  So yeah, August 20, 25. Apparently that's going to be
• 24:58
  pretty soon. Yeah, couple years from now.
• 25:02
  Yeah. And the other ones we haven't
• 25:04
  talked about are the ones that kind of interest me quite a bit
• 25:07
  Northrop, Grumman and space Aerospace Services.
• 25:10
  Special are Pacers Aerospace services and think orbital are
• 25:14
  all on the robotic side of things, that's getting things up
• 25:17
  there to build stations in to manufacture things.
• 25:21
  And not put people in danger of getting lost in space or being
• 25:25
  subject to being out in space with the radiation whatnot.
• 25:28
  So, it's, I'd like that side of it as well.
• 25:31
  Curious just to See how that develops so that the Northrop
• 25:35
  Grumman the persistent platform to ride autonomous and robotic
• 25:39
  capabilities for commercial science research and
• 25:42
  Manufacturing capabilities and low earth orbit, the
• 25:45
  manufacturing capabilities part of that is pretty cool.
• 25:48
  I'm interested to see what they do if they're going to 3D print
• 25:52
  things or if they're going to be doing this, take parts from
• 25:55
  Earth like to say, beams and trusses and pieces and then put
• 26:00
  them together, robotically, I With the actual mission is, they
• 26:03
  don't have any more information about it but it seems like that
• 26:06
  would be something that they could do up there as many
• 26:08
  manufacture parts of a station or parts of something with
• 26:13
  robot. Yeah, that's the dream.
• 26:14
  We always see, right? We always see in the future of
• 26:16
  the Sci-Fi things are being built right in space.
• 26:19
  You've got your sort of space dock where the ship is being
• 26:22
  built in place up and space around in Earth's orbit and that
• 26:26
  would be cool to see something. I was when I was a kid, I was
• 26:28
  really fascinated by space welding where you put two pieces
• 26:32
  of of Steel together that are perfectly flat and as soon as
• 26:37
  they go together, there's nothing stopping them from
• 26:39
  joining. So it's a weld that just happens
• 26:42
  because there the molecules just passed from one piece of metal
• 26:45
  to the other. Oh wow, there's nothing stopping
• 26:47
  them. There's no there's no Oxygen.
• 26:49
  There's nothing in the way, these molecules just passing
• 26:52
  from one piece to the next and the joins pretty cool.
• 26:55
  Like might have that wrong. It's been a long time since I
• 26:57
  looked into that, but that was one thing when I was a kid, it
• 27:00
  was really cool. That would be wild.
• 27:03
  That would open up so many, so many doors to stations and
• 27:08
  architecture and space. That's cool.
• 27:10
  That's really cool. I never, I need even know about
• 27:12
  that space welding after look into that.
• 27:14
  That's cool. I'm going to look it up again to
• 27:16
  I could be totally wrong via completely ridiculed but that's
• 27:20
  okay. Leave a kid, leave it in the
• 27:22
  comments people. Yeah, I think we've touched on
• 27:27
  everything here. Is there any?
• 27:28
  Are there any other companies you'd like to talk about?
• 27:31
  And as we talked about Sierra space but you don't get to talk
• 27:34
  about special Aerospace Services much but they all do the same
• 27:37
  kind of thing. Special airspace Services is
• 27:39
  taught is looking at autonomous maneuvering units, astronaut
• 27:43
  assistance units. So it's all servicing the
• 27:46
  station outside helping astronauts as well as perhaps
• 27:50
  doing autonomous work as well to keep things running.
• 27:52
  Keep it serviced if somebody drops a hammer if this thing can
• 27:56
  go and get it rather than astronaut having to risk
• 27:59
  something or it being one more piece of space junk, maybe
• 28:02
  they're out there collecting that stuff as well.
• 28:04
  That would be really cool to see that would be.
• 28:06
  Yeah. And then think orbital similar
• 28:10
  to just another piece of a space station but they do the orbital
• 28:13
  platforms and research manufacturing astronaut missions
• 28:17
  that sort of thing. So it's building stuff in space.
• 28:20
  Building more things on there. So there's the, the autonomous
• 28:24
  Builders if you will. This is really cool to see and
• 28:28
  it'll be interesting to see how these all work together as well.
• 28:31
  Can they can blue origin and SpaceX sit down in the same room
• 28:34
  and figure out the best way to move Humanity forward.
• 28:38
  Wouldn't that be nice? That would be really cool.
• 28:41
  I think all of these companies working together, building
• 28:43
  platforms, and building stations, and sending things,
• 28:47
  they're going to be working together in buying trips to
• 28:50
  space from different companies, blue origin, or through SpaceX
• 28:55
  or through Sierra space. If they need to send something
• 28:57
  up, there, they're going to be working together to send part of
• 29:00
  there. Sent part of their space station
• 29:03
  or part of part of their platforms up there.
• 29:06
  So it'll be an interesting time for all of these companies to
• 29:10
  work together and also to work with NASA, and they're going to
• 29:14
  be using NASA's technology. They're going to be using NASA's
• 29:17
  capabilities to innovate in space.
• 29:20
  And all of the stuff that NASA has learned throughout their
• 29:24
  time with the International Space Station, and through their
• 29:26
  time with the Apollo programs in the space shuttle, all of that,
• 29:30
  all of these companies, You can use that to better their
• 29:33
  platforms to so it's going to be really cool, very exciting.
• 29:37
  Yeah, I hope that's the next 20 or 30 years is going to be very
• 29:39
  interesting space field and hopefully Humanity still around
• 29:43
  to take advantage of it. Yeah, I think we will be.
• 29:46
  I think there's we're not going to stop.
• 29:48
  I think this is going to be a really cool.
• 29:50
  Interesting time. This is the stuff that I dreamed
• 29:51
  of when I was a kid like for sure like this it's finally
• 29:55
  coming true that we're going to people are going to start
• 29:57
  building their own space stations, like companies, going
• 29:59
  to start building their own Private space stations, who
• 30:02
  knows eventually will be to the point where there's going to be
• 30:06
  a private mission to another star system, like Prometheus or
• 30:10
  something like that, show the movie Prometheus, except maybe
• 30:13
  they won't be bringing DNA down to earth, and dumping it into a
• 30:17
  river. Be a little bit different, but
• 30:20
  it's going to it's going to be wild in the next 20. 30 years.
• 30:23
  What happens up there because not only is it spacex's all
• 30:26
  these other companies that want to make money and they get they
• 30:29
  make billions of dollars per year from Um NASA and also from
• 30:32
  each other so it's going to be cool.
• 30:34
  Can't wait to see it happen. Yes.
• 30:36
  I'm here. Thanks Neil thank you very much
• 30:38
  for having me on here. Well yeah, of course, anytime.
• 30:41
  All right that's it everybody take care of yourselves and each
• 30:44
  other and I will see you in the next one.
• 30:31
  Um NASA and also from each other so it's going to be cool.
• 30:34
  Can't wait to see it happen. Yes.
• 30:36
  I'm here. Thanks Neil thank you very much
• 30:38
  for having me on here. Well yeah, of course, anytime.
• 30:41
  All right that's it everybody take care of yourselves and each
• 30:44
  other and I will see you in the next one.