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Ep. 28 - Negro Leagues: Legends, and the Fight for the Game · 4DAFAM

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  Welcome to episode 28 of Futter Fam Podcast.
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  I'm going to show your team some love today. We're going to do the Kyle Hendricks
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  Jeez, old Pete. So what's been good, bro?
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  Oh, man, not much. I was sick last weekend. So, well, not sick, just worn out.
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  So, apologize for that, but this week was a lot better.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, what he means by that is we didn't record last week.
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  So, if you guys were looking for an episode, yeah, sorry, we didn't record because
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  my brother wasn't feeling well.
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  But we back. We good. We about to get it.
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  So, what we getting into today, bro? And today, we're going to talk about the
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  Negro Leagues. The Negro Leagues.
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  Yes, sir. It's very apropos, given that baseball season just started.
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  Yes, sir. All right, let's get it.
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  So I want to start with some recent news. Okay. You know the Indianapolis Clowns are back. Yep.
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  No, I didn't know that, but okay. And the Banana League, with the Savannah Bananas,
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  all the teams they got. Okay, okay, okay. So they revived it.
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  Guess who they just signed the other day? Lonee Davis.
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  Is that right? Yep. That's what's up. She is now officially an Indianapolis Clowns. Clown.
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  But they did that back in the day also, though, right? Didn't they sign a woman?
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  Like, actually, two women. Yeah, they were. Like, revolutionary in there.
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  Yeah, they were way ahead of that time with signing women.
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  Yep. And we'll get more into that as we go on. We'll name those ladies by name. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  They've always been ahead of the curve as far as signing women to play with the men and everything.
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  So, yeah. Yeah. Kudos to them.
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  Mm-hmm. So, all right, bro, where do you want to start with this?
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  So first I want to start, for those who don't know,
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  we want to go over some of the teams, the heavyweights, and then some of the,
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  you know, there's a couple of teams that most people hear the name and just
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  know, oh, yeah, that's from the Negro League.
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  And then what we'll do is we'll go over just some of the notable franchises.
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  We won't spend too much time on each one.
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  So you had the most famous franchises, Kansas City Monarchs. Yep.
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  Satchel Paige, Jackie Robinson. Yep. Played for that team.
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  The Homestead Grays, Josh Gibson and Buck Leonard was on that team.
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  Crawfords, Pittsburgh with Oscar Charleston and Cool Papa Bell.
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  The Chicago American Giants, which was the initial squad founded by Rube Foster.
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  So they were the Negro National League, basically.
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  The Birmingham Black Barons, where Willie Mays got his start.
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  The Newark Eagles, and that was owned by Effa Manley, where they had,
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  we'll go into their famous million-dollar infield, Indianapolis Clowns,
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  which they were listed as the Masters of Entertainment.
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  We'll get to that. Yeah, and they were actually the very last team to fold for
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  the original Negro. Correct.
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  And that's where Hank Aaron got his start. Correct. The original Indianapolis
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  squad, the ABCs from the 1920s,
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  And then some of the other ones, the Baltimore elite Giants, the St.
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  Louis Stars, Detroit Stars, the New York Cubans, the Philadelphia Stars,
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  who won the championship in 1934, Hilldale Club, the Memphis Red Sox,
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  Cleveland Buckeyes, the New York Black Yankees, and my favorite,
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  the Atlanta Black Crackers.
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  Man, I saw that and I bust out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's a very, very, very inventive name.
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  I want to go in a different direction with this.
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  Not a different direction than you've laid out, but just a different topic or
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  point that I want to hit on.
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  Why was there a Negro Leagues? Why was it necessary?
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  Well, in the late 1800s, because see, most people don't realize black folks
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  played professional baseball.
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  And then there was an unwritten rule which banned black players.
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  Banned. Banned them. Banned. Not say, hey, you got to leave.
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  It was, hey, get the hell out of here. You're no longer wanted here.
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  For all of the structural racism don't exist, people.
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  Correct. The only reason there was a Negro Leagues is because they weren't allowed
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  to play with the white players. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Go ahead, bro. The most famous person before 1900 was Moses Walker,
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  who played, what they call him, Fleetwood, who played in the Negro Leagues.
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  And then by 1890, it was basically a gentleman's agreement, a handshake amongst
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  all the white owners that said, yo, they got to go. Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, cool. So here's something that a lot of people probably don't know,
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  much like the Harlem Globetrotters, who perhaps maybe we should do. Mm hmm.
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  These were real athletes. Yeah. And they were really good.
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  How good, you say?
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  Well, the Negro League World Series actually drew a better crowd than Major
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  League Baseball World Series.
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  That's how good these players were.
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  When you talk about Satchel Paige, the oldest rookie to ever appear in Major
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  League Baseball at the golden age of 42.
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  So you may mention this, so I apologize if I'm stepping on your toes.
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  It was said that he used to walk the bases loaded, instruct the outfielders
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  to sit down and then strike out the side. To prove his point. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You know how crazy that is? 42, your career's ending, bro. And he was still good.
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  He played an additional, what, like 16, 17 years? Yeah. Yeah.
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  17 to 60. Yeah, exactly. He was 59 when he retired, bro. Mm-hmm. That's nuts.
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  Yeah his man just just imagine in
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  his prime years how good that dude must
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  have been you know what i'm saying at 42 usually your arm is shot your fastball
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  ain't the same so imagine if you will now bo jackson is a favorite of both of
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  ours for sure imagine if you will a baseball field full of him that's what a
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  lot of these negro league players were,
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  They weren't out there working out, bench pressing.
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  They were just top-tier natural athletes. When you think of Bo Jackson,
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  it don't matter who you talk to.
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  Black, white, young, old, they all say we never saw him working out. Right.
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  Which is crazy. Like when he ran that 40 time because he didn't run for the
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  NFL. He was at baseball practice in full clothing and ran a 4-2. Right. Right.
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  Let's let's let's talk about something that's very popular in Major League Baseball today. Night games.
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  The Kansas City Monarchs basically were the pioneers of night games.
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  MLB got that idea from the Negro Leagues.
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  Going back to what we were talking about on a previous episode with the black
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  inventors and how they don't get credit. Mm hmm.
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  This is another thing we can add to the list that these guys pioneered,
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  but won't get their credit for. Let's talk about Josh Gibson.
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  The black Babe Ruth, which I hate that, by the way, because Babe Ruth should
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  be the white Josh Gibson, which a lot of people say, no, no,
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  no. He was the white Josh Gibson.
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  Yeah. We should also add that Babe Ruth loved the jobs. Yeah.
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  He thought that he he saw him play and thought that he was one of the greatest
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  hitters he'd ever seen. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So let me just read a little bit about Josh Gibson.
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  Josh Gibson was a prolific catcher for the Homestead Grays and the Pittsburgh Crawfords.
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  While official stats were difficult to track, we'll get into those stats.
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  It is estimated that he hit nearly 800 career home runs.
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  The legend goes that he once hit a ball so hard at Yankee Stadium that it actually
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  flew out of the park. That means it cleared the bleachers.
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  Now, for those who are real diehard baseball fans, think about Aaron Boone's
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  home run to send the Yankees to the World Series and how high that ball went
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  to the third or fourth deck. Mm hmm.
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  He hit it further than that. Right. And that's one of my favorite MLB highlights.
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  Yeah. Was him hitting that home run. Well, there's there's the urban legend
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  that Barry Bonds taking BP at Rigby Field actually broke one of the windows
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  across the street. Yeah.
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  Which I can see. Yeah. Yeah. Was on one Waverly. Yeah. Yeah.
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  That that is nuts to hit a ball that freaking hard, bro.
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  So you mentioned the Black Babe Ruth. Mm hmm.
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  There's a pattern. Buck Leonard, the Black Lou Gehrig. Mm hmm.
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  No, I'm just Buck Leonard, bro. Right. I'm not the black man. Right.
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  I had something else. Go ahead.
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  No, no, no. I was just going to piggyback on that just to say that it's crazy how the comparisons,
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  when it comes to baseball, the comparisons are always he's the black version
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  of this, that, and the other.
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  And it's just like no actually these
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  guys were probably better they just
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  didn't get their chance to shine and those guys in the majors they acknowledged
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  yeah how great the negro league players were and and and this is this is why
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  we probably should do an episode on the harlem globetrotters but like the uh
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  minneapolis lakers who were the gold standard for the NBA back in the day.
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  They wanted to play the Harlem Globetrotters.
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  They didn't publicize those games. They played in closed gyms.
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  That was the real championship.
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  The Minneapolis Lakers versus the Harlem Globetrotters and the Harlem Globetrotters
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  would win some of those games.
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  So that's what they really like missed their opportunity.
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  They should have took like the World Series champion of MLB back then and had
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  them play against the Negro League and see who would have came out on top.
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  They missed an opportunity for that.
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  They missed an opportunity to get embarrassed. Well, I mean...
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  But imagine the crowd draw, right? How much money they potentially would have
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  made off of that, bro. They would have sold out.
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  They would have had to play that in Astro, though. Of course,
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  I know this is long. Sure, sure, sure.
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  They'd have had to play that shit in Astro. Without a doubt.
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  Without a doubt, bro. I mean, just
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  based on the racial superiority complex alone, It would have been huge.
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  So they totally missed an opportunity on that.
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  So one of the things that the Negro Leagues were one of the things that that
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  just just black athletes in general in baseball had to do after the gentleman's
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  agreement is they had to travel.
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  And they called it what a barnstorming the barnstorming
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  era where they would travel around and just
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  play anybody white black professional amateur it
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  didn't matter and they would sometimes play two to three games a day just to
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  survive which is why ernie banks had that legendary saying let's play too that
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  that's that's where that originates yeah um let's talk about the style of play.
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  The high-speed play style, the Negro Leagues utilized a small ball style of
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  play that focused on speed and aggression.
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  Players like Cool Papa Bell that you just mentioned were so fast,
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  That it was a joke that he could turn off the lights, which Ali stole.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah. He could turn off the lights and be in the bed before the room got dark.
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  Which is, hey, which is just wild. Wild to even imagine, right?
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  Yeah. So the style basically put an emphasis on hit and run, stolen bases.
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  Like I was just saying, utilizing their speed and agility as opposed to just
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  trying to do the long ball.
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  So one of the things with him, too, is there were famous stories of him scoring
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  from first base on sacrifice butts. Crazy.
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  Sacrifice butts. And I mean, like, what's up, boy, De La Cruz for Cincinnati?
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  Yeah, that dude's fast. Yeah, like when he, like, what did he steal,
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  like three bases consecutively a couple years ago?
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  Oh, I love it. When we were all like, oh, my God.
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  Imagine that. imagine not just de
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  la cruz but all of those guys being able
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  to do that yeah yeah and the negro leagues were
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  famous for you know now we we think of
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  we watch baseball and we go oh this is a hit run situation every situation was
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  a hit and run correct you know because it's like all right well it's two outs
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  you got a man on second you down by one hit run let's go mm-hmm them no outs first base,
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  they got a lead. No, I'm going. Right, right, right. I'm running.
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  Did you find your black comparisons that you wanted to get back to?
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  No, no. Okay, okay, okay. Let's just move past it. Shit, I got so much.
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  All right. Where do you want to go next, bro? So-
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  Defense. So. Most infielders in the Negro Leagues barely used their gloves.
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  Everything was a barehanded. That's crazy. Up off the ground.
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  Which is hard to do. Takes a lot of focus and skill and it still hurts.
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  The shadow ball origins made famous by the clowns. They used the routines that
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  just made it blend into regular baseball.
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  So it looked...
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  Impossible. Well, I mean, sorry, it was impossible. Right. They made it look
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  so effortless. Correct.
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  So going back to what you said a minute ago, they missed a huge opportunity
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  to put these people together. But again, the times, I understood why they didn't. Right.
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  If you'd have threw Josh Gibson on the field with Babe Ruth and Josh Gibson
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  hit five home runs against the best pitcher in
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  major league baseball probably a riot oh game's
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  over remember when the in the south one jackie robertson
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  when the sheriff i know some of it was yeah hollywood we'll get to that but
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  things like that happened now y'all gotta get you gotta get this boy off this
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  field you know he don't deserve to be out here playing with these uh these boys
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  correct correct let's talk about the all-star game, the East West All-Star Game,
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  established in 1933, and it was actually more popular than the World Series.
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  Hailed annually at Old Comiskey Park, it frequently drew more than 50,000 fans
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  becoming the centerpiece of African-American sports events.
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  I mean, just again, give these guys Their recognition They were instrumental
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  I'm going to piggyback on that Because it wasn't until Let me get down in my notes I'm sorry y'all.
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  It wasn't until recent, December 2020, that Major League Baseball officially
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  absorbed the statistics from the Negro Leagues.
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  That's six years ago, bro. Yeah. So all of that time, these dudes were kept out of the record books.
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  You know how many of these dudes should probably be in, where's the Baseball
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  Hall of Fame? I was about to say Canton.
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  Cooperstown. Thank you. I was about to say Canton, but that's football.
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  Yeah. Cooperstown. How many of these dudes are not in Cooperstown? It should be.
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  A long time ago. A long time ago, bro. Only because the color of their skin.
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  I'm sorry to harp on this race thing, y'all, but it was the only reason why
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  these guys were not giving their flowers.
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  So the one thing that made me happy when they integrated the statistics,
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  it wasn't the Babe Bruce thing, because historically, Babe Ruth would be in
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  the hood in a lot of these places that they went to.
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  It was Josh Gibson passing Ty Cobb and everything.
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  The hits guy. The slugging, the single season, the all-time averages.
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  So I want to piggyback off the East-West game. So it was basically,
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  I saw on the internet, the Met Gala of Black America.
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  Everybody put on all their fancy that which by
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  the way if you go back and even watch any mlb footage from
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  back in those days everybody got on fedoras everybody
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  yeah suits yeah yeah yeah for sure for
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  sure for sure it was it was an event it was an event so in
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  1934 in one of the east west games satchel page was in the east they won one
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  to nothing and what they consider one of the greatest dueling's pitching duels
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  in all-star history and it wasn't even close like it dominated and it was a one to nothing score.
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  So, they had a game in, let me see, 1939 was at Yankee Stadium.
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  There were eight Hall of Famers on the field. Eight. Or managing.
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  That was Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Oscar Charleston were three of the notable ones.
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  Think about that. In a Negro League East-West game, 1939, there were eight Hall
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  of Famers involved in that game.
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  Mm-hmm that's crazy they weren't good enough to be in the league we'll come
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  around sorry good not good enough to be in the right right right right we will
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  definitely come around to that,
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  let's go back to the Indianapolis Clowns since since you know we live here so
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  you already mentioned that Hank Aaron played for the Indianapolis Clowns you are excuse me you
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  I already mentioned that they had a woman join the team,
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  but it was there.
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  How do I want to put this there? They would they would they would basically
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  clown around before before the games.
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  Like I said, they were compared to the Harlem Globetrotters as far as they're clowning around.
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  But they would do these skits where they wouldn't even have a ball.
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  Oh, yeah. But they were so good that it fooled fans into thinking that there
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  was actually a ball being thrown.
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  That's how good they were. Their movements, their actions, everything was mimicked
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  down to a science. And that was one of the big draws for the Indianapolis Clowns,
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  also the name the clown, basically, because they clowned around a lot.
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  But but yeah, the fact that they would they would put on these like comedic
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  routines before the game started and actually like even during in between innings,
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  I guess I'm trying to say they would put on these comedic skits,
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  which was a big draw for the clown, which is also probably the reason why they
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  lasted longer than the other teams, because it was entertainment and not just sports.
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  So for those who don't know, the Savannah Bananas are literally the direct descendant
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  of the Indianapolis Clowns.
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  The guy who started the Savannah Bananas said the whole origin of the Savannah Bananas is the Clowns.
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  He said, make no mistakes about it.
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  I started this team as the Indianapolis Clowns with a different name.
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  So if you've gone to see the Savannah Bananas, that's who the Indianapolis Clowns
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  were. and now since they're back, going to be going forward.
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  Mm-hmm. I want to give the ladies their flowers. Mm-hmm. So-
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  The ladies who actually played for the Indianapolis Clowns, let me see here.
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  Then this was in the 1950s, y'all. All right.
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  So Tony Stone played second base, the first woman to ever play a regular season game.
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  Who she replaced, though, at second base. Oh.
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  Hank Aaron. Was it Hank Aaron that she replaced? Okay. Very good.
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  Very, very good. She was she was later joined by pitcher Mamie Johnson.
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  Imagine that a woman out there throwing hard enough to strike out men.
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  Not to be confused with Bunker Johnson's wife. No, no, not at all.
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  She went 33 and eight in her career with the clowns. Fantastic.
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  Fan-freaking-tastic. And then there was also the infielder, Connie Morgan.
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  So we just wanted to take that time who replaced Toni Stone.
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  Right, right. After she replaced Toni Aaron. Right, right.
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  Excuse me to shout out the ladies. Yeah, they were also holding their own.
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  They weren't just out there as a gimmick. They could actually play.
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  Anything you want to add to that, bro? I got one more thing.
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  So let's go to pop culture. Okay. The movie, the bingo long Traveling All-Stars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  With James Earl Jones and Richard Pryor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy Dee Williams. Yeah, all those guys.
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  That movie is based on the clowns. Oh, really? Yes, sir. I did not know that, bro. Yeah.
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  That's interesting. Not loosely based. It is them.
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  Yes, sir. Now I got to go rewatch that. I saw that like when I was looking up
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  some stuff. I saw Richard Pryor's name.
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  Richard Pryor? No, the movie's actually good. I just haven't seen it in a long
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  time. So I started reading. I go, oh, that movie was about the clowns.
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  I didn't know that. Yep. Okay. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool.
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  Anything else? Or you want to? On the clowns? On the clowns.
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  Because I do have more historical stuff.
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  So, no, not really. Because, I mean, I think if anybody, especially nowadays,
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  I mean, you have to be under a rock to not know who the Savannah Bananas are.
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  So, you know, if you watch them, which I actually enjoy, like I enjoy watching them.
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  If I see them on TV, I'll take a look at it. But that's pretty much who the clowns were.
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  And of course, we mentioned Monet Davis at the beginning. Yep, yep, yep.
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  You good on that? Yep, yep. All right, so this is why we can't get past the
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  racism, or at least why I can't get past the racism.
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  So Jackie Robinson made his debut in 1947.
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  It's long been rumored that Jackie Robinson wasn't the best player from the Negro Leagues.
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  He just fit, quote unquote, fit the bill. And he knew he wasn't the best. Right.
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  So in the first three years of the integration, only a tiny fraction of talent was signed.
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  Seven, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven black players joined MLB
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  teams in the two years following Jackie Robinson.
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  All that talent going to waste Why?
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  Because they had a black player quota Again, the systemic racism,
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  y'all When people say it doesn't exist It's just like, what planet do you live on?
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  So you've heard me mention And when I say you, I mean people listening You've
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  heard me mention the white savior in movies before So let's talk about Branch
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  Rickey Branch Rickey is regarded in a lot of spaces as a pioneer.
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  I think his exact quote about the Negro Leagues was it was a racket.
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  It was a racket. So like in the movie, it's like, oh, man, I'm achieving this
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  great thing by signing Jackie Robinson.
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  He looked at the Negro Leagues as a racket. And the reason I bring that up is
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  because they basically raided the Negro Leagues. It wasn't a merger.
• 26:24
  It wasn't a back and forth. How?
• 26:28
  Collaborate so because i can give you about 12 well well
• 26:31
  well this is this is this is how they basically made
• 26:34
  them go under as far as like financial well yeah
• 26:38
  yeah yeah so so so what they would do because they
• 26:42
  had more money they would wait until negro
• 26:45
  league's contracts expired and then
• 26:48
  just offer more money and that's how they
• 26:51
  kept ciphering off the talent or siphoning
• 26:54
  off the talent and and eventually the
• 26:58
  negro league wasn't able to compete financially not
• 27:01
  athletically but financially and that's
• 27:04
  how they did it by siphoning off the top talent now they did that to some most
• 27:09
  of it was they just came and took them offering more money it wasn't until uh
• 27:15
  the newark eagles owner uh he for manly he sued the cleave well he yeah he's yeah basically.
• 27:23
  Forced, because nobody wanted to tussle with Ephra Manley,
• 27:26
  to give them $10,000 for Larry Dope, because they were just coming in and raiding
• 27:32
  the Negro Leagues, and they weren't paying the players when Branch Rickey famously
• 27:37
  said, well, why would we pay them? It's just a racket.
• 27:40
  He didn't look at them as a legitimate league, because most of the financing
• 27:44
  was done in the Negro Leagues by the numbers racket, because they couldn't find
• 27:49
  financing anywhere else.
• 27:51
  So they had to do what they could to make sure that they were okay right that's interesting,
• 27:57
  the whole racket part because i remember and you probably remember this also
• 28:03
  we're the same age when they used to say that rap was a fad rap music would
• 28:08
  never last it's just a fad it'll go away in a few years and now it's the number
• 28:12
  one genre in the world in the world so yeah,
• 28:16
  Again, when we talk about the structural racism type stuff, it's real.
• 28:22
  All right. It's real.
• 28:24
  Anything else you want to touch on as far as Negro Leagues, bro?
• 28:28
  That's one more thing that that they would do as well. So they would they would
• 28:32
  drain the talent, only take the players and leave behind the managers.
• 28:36
  And I don't want to say the quote because I cannot find it. I've been kind of scrolling through.
• 28:42
  But there was someone that said that that laughed off a reporter's question
• 28:46
  about black people managing a baseball team.
• 28:49
  And they laughed it off and walked away from the reporter.
• 28:52
  Basically saying that they weren't intelligent enough. How dare you even ask
• 28:56
  that question? The black quarterback trope, basically.
• 28:59
  Which we lived through. Correct. Correct. Yeah.
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  So in order, before they started being pilfered by MLB, they made their money
• 29:11
  by playing international.
• 29:13
  They would often play games in Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico.
• 29:20
  And that allowed players to play where they were treated like superstars and
• 29:25
  they can garner more money. And that that kept the money flowing throughout
• 29:29
  the winter seasons, basically.
• 29:30
  So. So, yeah, America, again, behind the eight ball,
• 29:34
  like many players do, they go internationally or they go international when
• 29:40
  they want to blow up, not to Europe, but to go south where we are treated as equals.
• 29:47
  And like we were saying, what, a couple episodes ago, look how many of these
• 29:52
  players from these regions, Mexico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Venezuela,
• 29:58
  how many of those guys are in Major League Baseball today?
• 30:04
  Probably inspired by the players from the Negro Leagues. And I mean, let's just keep it 100.
• 30:10
  Might be some of the great granddaddies or granddaddies. I'm just saying.
• 30:15
  I'm just saying. Grew up watching it. Right, right. So I hate to keep going
• 30:18
  back to him, but I love tearing down these saviors.
• 30:22
  So another thing that Branch Rickey did in 1945, he created it.
• 30:27
  Supposedly all-black baseball league called the United States League, and it was just a front.
• 30:32
  And what it was is it was a way for them to send white scouts to the games to,
• 30:39
  well, obviously to scout the players, and then pilfer them from the teams.
• 30:44
  And then it folded when they pilfered all the black talent that they wanted to pilfer.
• 30:50
  Yeah, yeah. And the reason he did it is so he wouldn't tip off other white owners,
• 30:56
  So he would be the only person trying to stack the deck, trying to stack the deck. Wow.
• 31:03
  Well, I guess it's not unbelievable, but yeah.
• 31:07
  History. History, right? History, they get swept under the rug in a lot of cases.
• 31:12
  And once the truth comes out, you just realize some of these guys that we worship
• 31:17
  probably does not deserve it.
• 31:20
  And it's one of those things where history is history. You don't have to like it.
• 31:25
  It doesn't change the fact that it happened. It doesn't change the fact that
• 31:28
  it actually happened. Yep. I still like 42.
• 31:32
  Yep. I still watch it. Yep. Like if I'm scrolling through, if it's,
• 31:37
  oh man, 42, I ain't seen that in a couple of years. I'll watch it.
• 31:42
  I'm not going to stop watching it because Branch Rickey wasn't this great guy
• 31:46
  like everybody's seen before us.
• 31:49
  I'm going to save my comments for 42 when we get to our five on the black hand side movie review.
• 31:54
  All right, y'all. With that being said, we're going to leave that right there.
• 31:58
  We're going to transition into current events.
• 32:01
  It's been rough, bro. this news
• 32:05
  cycle is incredible so much
• 32:09
  is happening so quickly we can't
• 32:13
  keep up we really so there are things that i'm about to mention that i feel
• 32:18
  like are old news they just happened two weeks ago well i mean two weeks is
• 32:26
  donald trump's that's his thing so i mean this news Psycho is vicious, bro.
• 32:32
  So, so, so anyway, with that being said, I want to talk about the Ghanaian president
• 32:37
  introducing or well, I guess he did introduce it that that I don't want to say legislation.
• 32:45
  But anyway, it was it was basically stating that the transatlantic slave trade
• 32:53
  was the worst crime ever committed against mankind.
• 33:02
  Fifty two European countries decided not to vote. They abstained from the vote.
• 33:08
  Three countries decided to vote against it.
• 33:15
  I understand why the fifty two European countries said we don't want to vote.
• 33:22
  And, you know, most of them gave the politically correct answer.
• 33:25
  We don't want to have a tragedy Olympics.
• 33:29
  OK, cool. I get that. Yeah, it's a good political answer.
• 33:34
  But the real reason you don't want to vote is because you participated.
• 33:38
  I get why Israel voted it down.
• 33:43
  The three countries that voted it down were United States, Israel,
• 33:49
  Argentina. Argentina, I have no, there is no logic for Argentina voting it down.
• 33:54
  I get why Israel votes it down because they want to have the monopoly on tragedy.
• 34:01
  So I get them saying, no, no, no, I can't vote for that because where does that put us?
• 34:08
  Then we can't be the world's victims anymore.
• 34:11
  So the United States. Really?
• 34:16
  Really? Really? Really, United States? But you know why?
• 34:21
  You know why they say it? Because if they say yes, then they got to,
• 34:24
  hey, next comes this reparation legislation.
• 34:28
  I think somebody in the administration or somebody close to Trump said,
• 34:31
  well, it wasn't illegal at the time.
• 34:34
  Poor excuse. What? Poor excuse. It wasn't illegal at the time.
• 34:38
  Yeah. You know what used to be legal?
• 34:41
  Cocaine during surgeries. That was anesthesia. Correct.
• 34:45
  Correct. Right. When you mention that to people now, they look at you and go,
• 34:48
  no, that's wild. I can't believe anybody ever did that. But when you mention slavery in the same way.
• 34:53
  Yeah, man, but that was so long ago. Yeah.
• 34:57
  Look, the bill is coming due.
• 35:00
  You won't be able to run from it for long. It's coming due. At some point,
• 35:05
  I just say you don't have to shit or get off the pot.
• 35:08
  It's time to pay. It is. It's just that simple.
• 35:11
  You can't run from this. You've been running from it forever.
• 35:14
  It's time to pay up but that's why in my opinion at least why those two people.
• 35:22
  That's why the United States and Israel voted against it again.
• 35:25
  Argentina, I have no idea why Argentina would vote against it.
• 35:29
  I'm just like, you don't even have a dog in this fight, do you?
• 35:32
  Argentina probably called and was like, what y'all doing?
• 35:35
  Yeah, yeah. That's what we're doing? Alright, cool, cool. Exactly,
• 35:38
  exactly. Just going along to get along.
• 35:41
  I wanted to touch on that real quick and I want to touch on the Artemis landing,
• 35:47
  the Artemis slingshot and the Artemis landing.
• 35:51
  I have to admit, bro, it was cool as hell.
• 35:55
  I watched the blast off. I watched the landing yesterday. And I'm just like,
• 36:01
  man, this is really, really cool.
• 36:04
  Doesn't mean I changed my position. I still feel like it's a waste of money,
• 36:09
  but it was cool to see. It was cool to watch.
• 36:13
  I just still feel like those billions of dollars
• 36:16
  could have been used to at least address address
• 36:20
  homelessness and hunger issues
• 36:23
  those are my current events bro so i
• 36:27
  want to talk about something going on right now or i don't know
• 36:29
  maybe they sleep now or maybe they're up doing whatever these people doing negotiations
• 36:36
  i want to talk about jcpoa yeah yep so for those who don't know it's the Joint
• 36:44
  Comprehensive Plan of Action. Mm-hmm.
• 36:48
  So, some years back, Iran gave up 97% of its enriched uranium, and they dismantled.
• 36:56
  How much? 97%. Mm-hmm.
• 36:59
  Thousands of centrifuges. Mm-hmm.
• 37:02
  International community had free reign
• 37:05
  over any remaining nuclear facilities
• 37:09
  in the entire country of iran that means they could show up at three o'clock
• 37:13
  in the morning three o'clock in the afternoon seven days a week 365 days so
• 37:18
  they complied with they complied they were complied did i mention that there
• 37:22
  were cameras in all facilities that everyone had access to Let me say that again.
• 37:27
  There were cameras in the facility that countries like the UK,
• 37:33
  France, Germany, Russia and China, Russia and China were behind this.
• 37:39
  So it was a good deal. It's a good deal. OK.
• 37:42
  So in exchange, a lot of economic sanctions were lifted on Iran. Mm hmm.
• 37:49
  So here's the consequence of 2018.
• 37:54
  We pull out of said deal.
• 38:01
  One thing I will agree with this administration, they were a lot closer to a
• 38:07
  bomb than they've ever been.
• 38:09
  But it's because of your administration that they are.
• 38:13
  Mm hmm. What? What did they do? just ripped
• 38:16
  up the deal oh okay just ripped up the deal so here's what happened when you
• 38:23
  ripped up that deal now when people show up at three o'clock in the morning
• 38:27
  they get straps pulled on correct get the hell out of our country correct you're
• 38:32
  no longer welcome correct now,
• 38:35
  iran has free reign now they're pissed yep so
• 38:38
  you know what we're gonna do whatever the hell we want to do we're
• 38:40
  going to give more money to hamas hezbollah to
• 38:44
  the houthis that's what we're gonna do with our money
• 38:47
  basically fueling the catastrophe that's going on in the middle east hell since
• 38:54
  long before we were born and our parents were born so then what do we do in
• 39:00
  2026 we launch a military invasion operation epic fury mm-hmm.
• 39:06
  Strait of Hormuz closed, drone ships, naval mines.
• 39:12
  Then we hear our president. I'm sorry, the president of the United States,
• 39:17
  not our president. Correct.
• 39:18
  He says, well, they're going to open the strait. We don't use the strait,
• 39:24
  but other countries are going to step in.
• 39:26
  20% of all oil used in this world flow through there just consistently. Right?
• 39:33
  We're going to open it up. It was open four weeks ago. Correct.
• 39:41
  That is correct. How do you go from hundreds of ships a day to less than 10 a day?
• 39:47
  And it's being said, not loud, not out, that Iran is charging a million dollars a vessel. A toll.
• 39:55
  Yeah. A toll. A toll. And now it's being said that in this negotiation,
• 40:00
  they're requesting cryptocurrency.
• 40:03
  Controversy untraceable bro so
• 40:09
  so so so so basically this whole
• 40:12
  thing is a self-inflicted wound is what you're saying correct so
• 40:16
  here's where the issue lies going forward if
• 40:19
  you're iran now keep in mind people listening we're not
• 40:22
  sitting here advocating for iran no why would
• 40:25
  i trust you correct why the hell would i make a deal with you right
• 40:28
  when the next president could just come in and rip it up correct get
• 40:32
  the hell out of my country they have no incentive i have no incentive yeah
• 40:36
  unless you give me some money to help rebuild the things that you blew up which
• 40:41
  is what we are wonderful at that oh for sure we will blow up an entire civilization
• 40:46
  yeah air quotes an entire civilization and then rebuild it and say sorry yeah
• 40:51
  unless you're black yeah Exactly.
• 40:54
  No, it was it was legal. So it don't matter. Right. Right.
• 40:58
  So if these negotiations fall through in the next day or so,
• 41:02
  whatever, you know, that's going on over there.
• 41:05
  Now what? Because now he will he will paint it as, well, we've achieved our
• 41:12
  objectives, so we're pulling out.
• 41:15
  But if it was a Democrat in office and they pull out, because remember when
• 41:19
  Joe Biden did what he approved, which was pull out of Afghanistan.
• 41:23
  Right. He was weak. Right.
• 41:25
  Pathetic. But they were all talking about we need to end the war.
• 41:29
  But when he ended the war, yeah, he was he was he was criticized for it.
• 41:33
  I can't believe he did that. We're weak. We're weak because of it. Yeah.
• 41:36
  You're the one that told them to pull out. Right.
• 41:39
  And in exchange, and look, I know I'm going way back, but in exchange for pulling
• 41:43
  out, didn't he release the leader of the Taliban who then went straight back
• 41:49
  to Afghanistan and took it right back over?
• 41:52
  Yep. That's exactly what happened.
• 41:54
  You know also the the the part of that one
• 41:58
  is that obama brokered the deal correct so that that
• 42:00
  always pissed him off the signature on the damn contract is
• 42:04
  the only thing he hated about yep yep yep
• 42:07
  so that was that was that was that was the main thing that pissed him off
• 42:10
  is that obama brokered the deal and the lie
• 42:13
  that they always tell about we gave them whatever
• 42:16
  that amount of money was oh yeah the money we had yeah
• 42:19
  it was it was their money we didn't
• 42:22
  give them any money it was
• 42:25
  their money that we basically just gave back to them because we had been holding
• 42:29
  it as a sanction yeah we froze their account as a sanction yeah we lifted the
• 42:34
  sanction yeah given their money back yeah and they dismantled 97 of their which
• 42:40
  is how a negotiation goes.
• 42:42
  You give something to get something. It's not a negotiation.
• 42:48
  If you go, I'm getting all the marbles and you're not going to get anything.
• 42:52
  No one's going to agree to a deal like that. Nope.
• 42:55
  No one in their right mind would. That's not a negotiation. That's a takeover,
• 43:00
  a hostile takeover, which let's just be real.
• 43:04
  I think that's kind of what he wants is a
• 43:07
  hostile take over which he let slip
• 43:10
  we want the oil well we're
• 43:13
  gonna go in there and take the uranium yeah no you're not you're
• 43:17
  totally not so you think we the the
• 43:21
  military is just gonna go into a country right with 93 million people and just
• 43:27
  take it over that's the other funny part to me is like you started a fight and
• 43:32
  then you're pissed because they're fighting back that's that's that That's weird
• 43:37
  to me. But you know what, though?
• 43:39
  Even people that you and I respect and listen to on some of these news programs,
• 43:43
  when they were interviewing the guy from Iran, and they were talking about attacking
• 43:48
  military bases, and that dude was like.
• 43:51
  Defending ourselves. Right. Yeah, but you're attacking military base.
• 43:55
  What? You started to fight, fool. We were over here just minding our own business.
• 44:01
  They always say death to America. So what?
• 44:04
  That's like the weakest talking point that I've heard. They've been saying death to America for 50 years.
• 44:11
  They're saying it, but they're not doing anything.
• 44:14
  Who cares? Right. Set your butt over there. Right. Every president has been
• 44:19
  like shooing Iran away. Let go. That's like me.
• 44:22
  Man, hey, old boy said he was going to whoop you, man.
• 44:25
  Old boy been saying he going to whoop you since high school.
• 44:27
  And then I'm going to burn his house down.
• 44:29
  Exactly. And he ain't done nothing. And he ain't done nothing.
• 44:31
  So what? So what? It makes no sense. And you know what? Let me take that back.
• 44:37
  Not that they're not doing anything, because they are sponsored.
• 44:40
  They are terrorists. Sure.
• 44:42
  Like, imagine me burning down somebody's house because he was doing something
• 44:46
  to his next door neighbor.
• 44:47
  Like, he threw a rock to his next door neighbor. Got nothing to do with you.
• 44:50
  You got nothing to do with me. So I'm going to be like, well,
• 44:52
  yeah, man, I got your back. I'm going to go ahead and burn your house down for you. Yeah.
• 44:55
  Yeah. You got nothing to do with you. Meanwhile, that neighbor is taking over
• 44:59
  the next neighbor's house. You ain't here, man.
• 45:01
  Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
• 45:04
  It's crazy, bro. I mean, when you actually break it down and get into the nuts
• 45:08
  and bolts of it, the whole thing is absolutely bonkers. But were you finished with that?
• 45:14
  All right. Cool. We're going to go right into our rant about a random topic,
• 45:20
  everyone's favorite, my favorite, and I'm just going to continue on this conversation
• 45:25
  we've been having about Iran.
• 45:27
  I was thinking about saving this for a main topic, but I can't.
• 45:34
  Frank me if I'm wrong on this. We're the only country to ever drop a nuclear
• 45:39
  weapon on another country. Correct.
• 45:41
  The United States. Let me say that again. The United States is the only country
• 45:47
  to ever use a nuclear weapon.
• 45:52
  How would we feel if China said, hey,
• 45:56
  y'all need to get rid of y'all nuclear weapons, get rid of y'all nuclear stockpile,
• 46:02
  because y'all are the only ones who ever dropped a nuclear weapon.
• 46:08
  You're terrorists. And then they got Russia to back them.
• 46:12
  And this is the logic that's being applied to Iran.
• 46:16
  They're being bombed for
• 46:20
  something that they've never even done let me
• 46:24
  say that again they're being bombed because they might enrich their uranium
• 46:31
  and they might drop a bomb on israel i mean because that's who it's really about
• 46:39
  we're living in minority report,
• 46:41
  exactly you're you're being punished for
• 46:44
  or they're being punished for a crime that they might
• 46:47
  or might not commit the whole thing
• 46:51
  is so foolish thought process but here's two thoughts here one one country should
• 47:00
  not be able to tell another country what kind of weapons that they get to possess
• 47:04
  that's like your neighbor telling you hey i got a gun but you can't have one.
• 47:10
  Why? Who the hell are you?
• 47:15
  Who are you to tell me I can't have a gun, but you got a gun?
• 47:18
  It's so crazy, but here's my,
• 47:23
  issue. Perhaps no one should have nuclear weapons.
• 47:30
  Maybe everyone should get rid of their stockpile.
• 47:34
  And I mean, everyone, every country that has nukes should have to get rid of it.
• 47:40
  That doesn't mean that, you know, the technology goes away because you can't,
• 47:44
  once you know how, you know how.
• 47:47
  But if you're really after world peace, then no one should have a nuclear weapon
• 47:53
  because no one wins a nuclear war.
• 47:57
  It's nuclear holocaust. The majority of the world's going to die.
• 48:02
  If they don't die from the initial blast, they're going to die from the fallout, the radiation, etc.
• 48:08
  Watch the TV shows.
• 48:11
  No one should have a nuclear weapon. So the whole thing about We don't want
• 48:16
  them to have nukes. Well, I don't want us to have nukes.
• 48:19
  I don't want China to have nukes. I don't want Russia to have nukes.
• 48:22
  I don't want Israel. Yes, Israel has nukes. I don't want Israel to have nukes.
• 48:27
  I don't want Pakistan to have nukes.
• 48:29
  No one should have a nuke. What good is it going to do?
• 48:34
  Drop theirs we drop ours boom end of the world excellent no one's here no one's
• 48:40
  here to celebrate no one's here to enjoy it be like uh the show uh what was
• 48:44
  the silo exactly it's so stupid it it the whole the whole thing just baffles
• 48:50
  me because it's like if you really want to negotiate for peace,
• 48:53
  and this isn't just u.s and iran this is everyone if you really want to negotiate peace,
• 49:00
  everyone would get rid of their nukes that's a progressive world in my opinion,
• 49:06
  that's my right I know I probably went on longer than I should have but yeah I get,
• 49:12
  fired up over that because the conversation just drives me crazy who should
• 49:17
  and who shouldn't have nukes no no one should have nukes we want to well we
• 49:22
  complain about being the world police yeah but then we constantly do the things
• 49:29
  that people who police the world do.
• 49:32
  Like, look, a lot of the complaints that Donald Trump has had over the years, some are very valid.
• 49:37
  Why are we sending so much money to X, Y, and Z? For sure. We should be doing
• 49:41
  this, that, and the third. For sure.
• 49:44
  But then you turn around and spend a billion dollars a day for a month straight
• 49:50
  to get nothing out of it. To get nothing out of it.
• 49:54
  No, no, I take that back. You've made the economy worse. The global economy
• 50:00
  worse, not just American economy, by the way. OK, fine.
• 50:04
  J.D., you are against this war. Go negotiate. What?
• 50:08
  And you're going to send me over here with your punk ass son in law.
• 50:12
  Who isn't a government official at all. He's part of what? What do they call it?
• 50:17
  The peace, which is man. Yeah.
• 50:22
  Man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:27
  And and and and and listen, I get it. I get it. OK.
• 50:33
  For the nuclear enthusiast, it's a deterrent. No, it's not.
• 50:39
  It's not a deterrent. All it is is the carrot dangling in front of the rabbit.
• 50:47
  Well, if they got nukes, then I need to do everything in my power to get nukes. That's all it is.
• 50:53
  It's not a deterrent. It just pushes everyone else to get nukes because they're
• 50:57
  like, hey, in order for me to fight, I got to have a nuke.
• 51:02
  You got a gun. We got beef. I don't have one.
• 51:05
  I need to go get a gun. Exactly. I mean, that's all the nuclear weapon does. It's not a deterrent.
• 51:14
  Puts the world in danger well because these
• 51:17
  other countries they know in this climate you're
• 51:20
  not stupid enough to launch it at least
• 51:23
  that's the hope that's the hope but but that tweet
• 51:26
  last easter but the thing is is when your
• 51:29
  president is a senile yeah borderline yeah
• 51:32
  patient yeah i mean how do you get rid of a
• 51:35
  civilization by dropping a nuke on them that that's
• 51:38
  how i read it which he doesn't understand you'd have to drop three or four to
• 51:41
  annihilate that country yeah which would again which in turn but it wouldn't
• 51:46
  fall out exactly that part that part it wouldn't just get iran it'll get all
• 51:52
  of their surrounding neighbors iran iraq kuwait correct correctamundo,
• 51:58
  yeah i'm that i'm sorry bro no you're
• 52:01
  good i'm done with my right for real this time y'all so mine is pretty pretty
• 52:07
  quick and it's something that everybody is dealing with as well so did you know
• 52:11
  that the average family today is spending $740 more a year than they did last
• 52:17
  year in groceries. So those prices didn't come down?
• 52:21
  $740 more. So the tariffs didn't work? Nope.
• 52:26
  Now, here's where it gets into something that you and I both saw firsthand.
• 52:31
  Working for a company that shall remain nameless. Nobody want no lawsuit.
• 52:36
  These corporations jack up the price. And then months after they jack up the
• 52:40
  price, they shrink the box. For sure.
• 52:42
  When they think you're not paying attention. For sure. I saw it in a meeting.
• 52:47
  I heard the logic given by one of the executives.
• 52:50
  And I remember looking at the dude next to me and he was like,
• 52:55
  capitalism, brother. Capitalism.
• 52:57
  So we're basically paying a premium for air.
• 53:02
  Without a doubt. For air. Without a doubt. So the soda mini cans...
• 53:09
  That quote well what's that that number they say it's costing over 120 percent more per ounce,
• 53:18
  in those mini camp which i've never bought it no no it's a sip they're like eight dollars,
• 53:24
  cereal boxes are holding fewer servants and they cost 50 percent more which
• 53:28
  my house we still eat a lot of cereal so i see it and then the nitrogen and
• 53:35
  the chip bags bro all air in your bag.
• 53:40
  I'm probably one of the few people that love Fritos.
• 53:44
  I just love them. Chili cheese to be exact.
• 53:48
  Bro, I bought one the other day. A third. The bag was this slim. It looked taller. Yeah.
• 53:55
  Now Frito bags have always been stuffed because of how they're made.
• 53:59
  But the bag was slim as hell.
• 54:03
  The product is taking up a third of that package.
• 54:06
  Not half, a third of
• 54:09
  it just keep that in mind next time
• 54:13
  you buy a bag of chips open it and before
• 54:16
  you take one out just flatten it
• 54:19
  to see how many chips you actually got in
• 54:22
  that bag you'll be surprised yep you will be absolutely shocked by this yeah
• 54:28
  it's it's crazy bro and it's like you always say once prices go up they're not
• 54:34
  coming down they're never coming back down there's no The only prices that fluctuate,
• 54:40
  prices that fluctuate, like gas.
• 54:41
  There were gases, $3.80 a day.
• 54:44
  Damn, it went up to $4. And then three days later, it's $3.40. Correct.
• 54:49
  A 20-ounce drink.
• 54:52
  A dollar 25 15 years ago now they're
• 54:55
  up to 269 279 that's not
• 54:58
  coming down it's not because there's no incentive to bring
• 55:01
  it down why would they be taking money out of their pocket right yeah you running
• 55:06
  a business why the hell would i do that yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like you said
• 55:10
  if you're willing to pay this price then why would i the only way prices are
• 55:17
  ever going to come back down Lord forbid,
• 55:20
  is we have just a major recession.
• 55:23
  That's the only way.
• 55:26
  It'll force them because no one will have any money to spend.
• 55:29
  It's the only way prices are coming back down. Like I said, Lord forbid.
• 55:34
  But that's sort of the remedy, unfortunately.
• 55:39
  You finished with that, bro? All right, cool. Let's transition into Five on
• 55:44
  the Black Hand Side, our Black movie review.
• 55:47
  And the movie we chose this week is very apropos to the conversation we were
• 55:52
  having about the Negro Leagues, because the movie is 42 about Jackie Robinson.
• 55:59
  Go ahead, my brother. Take it away.
• 56:01
  So 42 came out in April of 2000. Wait, what's today?
• 56:07
  Today is the 11th. Yeah. It came out April 12th, 2013.
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  Movie stars, Chadwick Boseman. Late, great Chadwick Boseman. Jackie Robinson. Yep.
• 56:21
  Harrison Ford as Branch Rickey. Yep. Nicole Behari as Rachel Robinson,
• 56:25
  which is Jackie Robinson's wife. Mm-hmm. Andre Holland as Wendell Smith.
• 56:29
  Yep. Now, for those who don't know, Wendell Smith was a black sports writer
• 56:34
  who basically traveled and chronicled his entire career. Yep.
• 56:37
  Yep. Which a lot of his feats and everything would have been swept under the
• 56:41
  rug had that black reporter not been there to document it.
• 56:45
  Christopher Maloney as Leo DeRocha.
• 56:49
  Lucas Black as Pee Wee Reese, who was the famous Dodgers shortstop.
• 56:55
  Alan Tudyk as Ben Chapman. He was the racist manager of the Phillies.
• 57:02
  John C. McGinley as Red Barber. He was the Dodgers play-by-play announcer.
• 57:07
  The movie itself had a budget of somewhere between $31 to $40 million,
• 57:12
  and it made $97.5 million worldwide.
• 57:17
  42 earned $27.5 million as opening weekend, which was the highest grossing opening
• 57:23
  weekend ever for a baseball-themed movie in Hollywood history.
• 57:27
  Most of that, at least in our opinion, we know about Chadwick Boseman,
• 57:32
  was contributed to him as well. This is the movie that sort of,
• 57:38
  catapulted his career. This is what made people recognize that he could be a box office draw.
• 57:45
  We paid black folks paid attention for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:48
  yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, this was before Black Panther and all of that stuff, guys.
• 57:53
  So the director was Brian Helglin.
• 57:56
  He actually did the screen. He was a screenwriter for two of the best movies
• 58:00
  ever made, L.A. Confidential and Mystic River.
• 58:04
  Really good movies, by the way. Mystic River was one of those movies, though. One time.
• 58:09
  That's it. Too hard to watch? No, can't watch it. I hear you.
• 58:12
  No. You're talking about the death of a child and then... Yeah.
• 58:16
  Really good movie, though. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was.
• 58:19
  I watched LA Confidential a couple weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:23
  So, little known Spike Lee was supposed to do 42 back in 1995.
• 58:32
  Wow. Yep. So, it was going to be a turn of pictures. Take a wild guess who Jackie
• 58:39
  Robinson was going to be.
• 58:41
  Wesley Snipes. Nope. Denzel Washington. Yes, sir. My goodness.
• 58:46
  So, it was supposed to be a... Hold on a second.
• 58:52
  I forget what issues they had.
• 58:55
  Was it related to funding? Yeah, creative differences and funding issues was
• 58:59
  the biggest one. I'm glad you said that.
• 59:02
  2004. Somebody else stepped in trying. Robert Redford.
• 59:07
  Interesting. Yeah. So he set up a separate biopic project where he intended
• 59:13
  to produce and co-star as Branch Rickey. Mm hmm.
• 59:18
  But it was already it was stalled during development. I've always heard that
• 59:22
  he was a huge baseball fan.
• 59:24
  Oh, yeah. Robert Redford. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that that that totally
• 59:27
  makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:29
  So, OK, I guess I'll save that comment for later.
• 59:35
  This movie was impactful, probably came out a decade too late.
• 59:46
  I let me just touch on those creative differences that you were speaking about with Spike Lee.
• 59:51
  I was going to say, but I can't. I can imagine what those creative differences
• 59:56
  would have been as Spike Lee did this movie.
• 59:59
  Because I felt like the same as I feel with Red Tails, I kind of feel like this movie was Disney'd up.
• 1:00:08
  And what do I mean by that? Just go watch Richard. That's what we mean by Disney'd up. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:16
  The racism that this man experienced was probably 50 times worse than it was in this movie.
• 1:00:22
  You know, there were a few scenes of the overt racism.
• 1:00:28
  For the most part it was come on jackie hey jackie just like man knock it off
• 1:00:32
  we know it wasn't you guys were not that accepting of this guy and and and that's
• 1:00:39
  those creative differences that i bet you spike lee was like no we're gonna
• 1:00:44
  yeah i want to go hard at that and they were probably like no.
• 1:00:48
  And the fact that you always bring up the fact that they made him testify against
• 1:00:53
  Paul Robeson and none of that stuff was mentioned in the movie,
• 1:00:58
  which is why I always say Jackie Robinson wasn't the best player.
• 1:01:02
  He was the right player and right player at the right time. Correct.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah, they were right. They weren't going to put Josh Gibson. Exactly.
• 1:01:10
  Exactly. It's it's the Kobe AI argument, if you will. You know, A.I.
• 1:01:17
  Was probably top one, top two in his prime in the NBA.
• 1:01:22
  But, you know, he didn't fit the bill.
• 1:01:25
  He didn't have the right look. He didn't have the right attitude.
• 1:01:28
  He didn't speak well enough to be the face of the league.
• 1:01:33
  But A.I., whether they like it or not, he kind of was the face of the league. Yeah, he was.
• 1:01:38
  But, you know, they didn't promote him as the face of the league like they should have.
• 1:01:43
  Josh Gibson notoriously was just like Babe Ruth. Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Babe Ruth was not a pillar of the community. He was an alcoholic. He was an alcoholic.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah. Josh Gibson was notorious for smoking cigars. Right. Just stuff like that.
• 1:02:02
  Right. But Babe Ruth got away with it.
• 1:02:06
  But yeah, Jackie Robinson, right place, right time.
• 1:02:09
  But going back to what you were talking about with the races.
• 1:02:14
  He was physically assaulted while running races. Interesting.
• 1:02:19
  He was being elbowed, knocked down. Yeah. Like, verbal assaults from the dugouts,
• 1:02:24
  being headhunted by pitchers. Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  Constantly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's throwing so many bases because he got hit by so many balls.
• 1:02:32
  Right. Right. And on top of that, they wouldn't pitch to him either.
• 1:02:35
  Yeah, they wouldn't pitch to him. They wouldn't, you know, no,
• 1:02:37
  we won't give you a good ball to hit.
• 1:02:39
  Which is the same thing they did to Barry Bonds after he hit those 73 home runs.
• 1:02:43
  The next season, he broke the record for walks because no one would pitch to him.
• 1:02:48
  As opposed to Mark McGuire, you know, they just lobbed the ball over.
• 1:02:52
  Let me just stop right there. So Dixie Walker, who played for the Dodgers after
• 1:02:58
  Jackie Robinson was accepted on the team, started a petition to be traded because
• 1:03:03
  he'd rather be traded than play alongside a black man.
• 1:03:09
  Crazy. You know how crazy that has to be? Yeah. Like you play baseball with all these other dudes.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah. and bringing a black man in is somehow
• 1:03:17
  taped uh-huh the the
• 1:03:21
  same thing they'd say about jim brown like there
• 1:03:24
  were dudes on that line who literally said they
• 1:03:27
  were not going to block for he didn't need and he didn't need it yeah yeah they
• 1:03:32
  weren't going to block for him just because he was black it's just just amazing
• 1:03:36
  bro imagine having imagine going on the on the road with your team can't can't
• 1:03:42
  stay with them and i'm using i'm gonna use indianapolis as an example so for
• 1:03:45
  anybody who has ever been here,
• 1:03:49
  Say this is a hotel where you live. I used to live, what, eight minutes down the road.
• 1:03:55
  I'm staying here as Jackie Robinson. My players are downtown. Correct.
• 1:04:02
  Downtown is what? 15 miles from here? Yeah. Or maybe a little bit closer.
• 1:04:07
  But yeah, Jackie, I know it's two in the morning. Yeah, but you got to go over there.
• 1:04:11
  You got to drive out west down these two-lane dirt roads and find colored only accommodations.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah. nuts. And it was acceptable, bro.
• 1:04:22
  That's the crazy part is it was just accepted as the norm.
• 1:04:27
  Do everything y'all do except i
• 1:04:30
  can't eat sleep or shit where
• 1:04:34
  y'all eat sleep and shit in sanford florida
• 1:04:37
  this is the scene from the movie where the guy
• 1:04:40
  came on the field and forced jackie robinson
• 1:04:43
  off the field the dodgers themselves the
• 1:04:47
  whole team used to get locked out of
• 1:04:49
  stadiums so they couldn't play their exhibition game
• 1:04:53
  yeah in the south during spring training yeah it's crazy are we talking about
• 1:04:59
  the film or are we just talking about Jackie Robinson a lot of this stuff we're
• 1:05:04
  mentioning was not in the film the Sanford part was but the other stuff was
• 1:05:10
  the travel accommodations,
• 1:05:11
  the spring training in the deep south which I found interesting too now I got
• 1:05:17
  what you're saying we're talking
• 1:05:18
  about Jackie Robinson not the damn movie right Right, right, right.
• 1:05:25
  Hey, all that shit should have been in the movie. It should have been,
• 1:05:28
  which is what I was hinting at about the creative differences.
• 1:05:33
  I don't know. I mean, I found the movie to be entertaining, but I feel like
• 1:05:40
  it could have been so much better had they introduced, if not all,
• 1:05:45
  but just some of those points that we were just making.
• 1:05:48
  I just feel like it didn't get gritty enough I wanted to see the grit not just
• 1:05:55
  the highlight reel because that's kind of what I felt like is the movie was just a highlight reel.
• 1:06:02
  So I wanted more from the movie.
• 1:06:06
  And in my opinion, I mean, even like less baseball and just more about his life,
• 1:06:14
  I guess, is a movie I would have preferred to see. Yeah, because we know about the baseball.
• 1:06:18
  Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know, to compare it to Ray, right?
• 1:06:24
  When I watched Ray, there were a lot of things that I was just like,
• 1:06:28
  oh, I had no idea that Ray would did this, that and the other.
• 1:06:32
  Ray Charles was, he was, I mean, I don't want to use the wrong word,
• 1:06:37
  but we love, like, Ray Charles was the man.
• 1:06:41
  Like, what you mean Ray Charles was addicted to heroin and got arrested and
• 1:06:44
  ended up? All things we never knew, right?
• 1:06:47
  And that is what I expect to see from a biopic, not just the highlight reel,
• 1:06:55
  the cookie cutter stuff.
• 1:06:56
  I want to see the dark, gritty stuff that no one actually knows about.
• 1:07:00
  I want to see the conversations that he had.
• 1:07:04
  If you don't testify against Paul Robeson, we're going to do this, that and the other.
• 1:07:10
  I want to see what motivated him to go against that other black man.
• 1:07:15
  That's the stuff I want to see.
• 1:07:16
  And this is why I'm not excited to see Michael, because I'm like, what?
• 1:07:21
  What are you going to tell me that I don't already know?
• 1:07:25
  Are you going to get gritty, grimy?
• 1:07:28
  Probably not. Are you going to show his relationship with Tatum O'Neal? Brooke Shields. Right.
• 1:07:35
  Are you going to show those things? Right. Or are you just going to do the shit
• 1:07:39
  that we already pretty much know? Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  That's kind of how I feel about 42. So one of the scenes from the movie that
• 1:07:47
  kind of stands out, when he played for Kansas City, and they went to the gas
• 1:07:52
  station, he wanted to use the restroom.
• 1:07:54
  And when the guy told him, you can't use it. And he says, we'll just take the
• 1:07:58
  holes out. We'll just buy our gas elsewhere.
• 1:08:01
  Do you think that happened that easy? Right.
• 1:08:03
  But as you said, you Disney'd that portion of the movie. So you think a racist
• 1:08:10
  white gas station owner.
• 1:08:13
  Oh, here, go ahead. Use the bathroom because you don't want to spend your what?
• 1:08:19
  Ninety nine cent for gas. Right.
• 1:08:22
  Well, at that time in history, ninety nine cent. No way. Probably more like 30 cent. Right.
• 1:08:29
  Man, that white dude would have pulled that thing and been like,
• 1:08:31
  fine. Right. Get your butt on down the road. Right. And I hope you run out of gas.
• 1:08:35
  Right. Because I'm about to call ahead and tell my boys. And we're going to
• 1:08:38
  be waiting on you. We're going to be waiting on you.
• 1:08:40
  Even if you don't run out of gas, I'm calling my boys. And we're going to be waiting on you.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah. That's exactly how that would have ended up.
• 1:08:54
  The Pee Wee Reese.
• 1:08:56
  Scene when they were playing in Cincinnati and the Pee Wee Reese walked over
• 1:09:01
  to him and started talking to him, put his arm around him and all that stuff.
• 1:09:07
  Come on. But it's also been said Jackie Robinson was very militant.
• 1:09:12
  He didn't accept a lot of this stuff.
• 1:09:16
  What did you just finish saying earlier in this podcast?
• 1:09:20
  The white savior. Always got to be one in there.
• 1:09:25
  Always got to be one, bro. Let me put my arm around it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:30
  I'm going to be the one that says, it's okay. Really?
• 1:09:35
  I'm just going to ask. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:09:40
  And it, yeah, it's just, the whole meritocracy thing is just such a scam because
• 1:09:47
  we know that those standards don't apply when you're black.
• 1:09:54
  Even to this day, more so back then but even to this day that meritocracy doesn't
• 1:10:02
  apply i was talking about the art of mislanding if it was up to this administration
• 1:10:08
  that black pilot he gonna be scratched out of the record books but you know
• 1:10:12
  they were happy to have that dude from canada,
• 1:10:15
  was on that mic just praising donald trump where are you from canada i mean
• 1:10:21
  we look 40 years from Now we'll be doing another Black History episode going,
• 1:10:25
  hey, did you know the black dude was the pilot on Artemis 2?
• 1:10:29
  What? For real? Yes. He was the damn pilot. Yeah. Yeah. He'll be eliminated from the record books.
• 1:10:37
  And again, I'm sorry, y'all. I keep getting off this movie, but.
• 1:10:45
  I said because I just found it to be cookie cutter. Can I add something to that?
• 1:10:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cookie cutter portion.
• 1:10:50
  When I mentioned Jackie Robinson was very militant, he was court-martialed.
• 1:10:54
  Court-martialed, right. Which
• 1:10:55
  they actually made a movie about the court-martial of Jackie Robinson.
• 1:10:59
  For refusing to go to the back of the bus. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Let me say that again for anybody that's not understanding.
• 1:11:07
  He basically was court-martialed. So, no, no, no.
• 1:11:11
  I'm going to use a different analogy. I walked into the gas station and stole
• 1:11:14
  a Chico stick and got 20 years in prison for it.
• 1:11:19
  You might want to change that Chico stick reference, though.
• 1:11:22
  I love Chico stick. I know, but that's dating us, man. People probably don't know what a Chico is.
• 1:11:27
  Like, what the hell is a Chico stick? So the one by the apartment,
• 1:11:32
  right at the register, he got a box.
• 1:11:35
  A Chico stick? It just sit right there. How much are they?
• 1:11:39
  $0.35, $0.30. He don't charge a lot. But you know they were a dime when we were kids.
• 1:11:43
  Bro, but yeah, you know what I was about to say? The Boston Dine fans,
• 1:11:49
  Lemonheads at the Little League Field.
• 1:11:51
  A dime for a box.
• 1:11:54
  Good old days. Good old days. You're right. My bad, bro. I totally... No, no. It's all good.
• 1:11:59
  But no, just to mention how Disney these movies are.
• 1:12:05
  And it's not just that one. It's a lot of... Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Like I mentioned Richard earlier. Yeah. With Will Smith.
• 1:12:11
  I don't want to see a Disney version of what Richard Williams went through to
• 1:12:15
  get his daughters on the tennis court. Right.
• 1:12:18
  I want the raw. I want the raw. Like remember he got his ass whooped by some brothers. Right.
• 1:12:24
  That's what you put in there? Right. That's what you put in there? Right.
• 1:12:28
  You're not showing where the white tennis court owners and people were like
• 1:12:33
  man if you don't get your blankety blank away from there. Correct.
• 1:12:37
  Correct. The gatekeeping. Right. But you sure put in there him getting beat
• 1:12:43
  up for sure by some people in county. For sure. For sure.
• 1:12:47
  Gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta. Oh, man, that is I don't I don't have much
• 1:12:52
  more to say about 42, bro. You want to just go ahead and rate this thing there?
• 1:12:57
  Oh, man. Because of the historical significance, I'm not just going to totally crap on this movie.
• 1:13:04
  So I'm going to give it two and a half high fives on the black hand side.
• 1:13:09
  How much? Two and a half.
• 1:13:11
  I still think it was entertaining.
• 1:13:14
  Just the fact that we know that they left a lot out.
• 1:13:19
  I can't go higher than the two and a half. So if this was about...
• 1:13:23
  If this was just a Jackie Robinson conversation, I'd go five. Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:28
  But I would say probably three. And the reason I'm giving it a little bit more is because it was made.
• 1:13:34
  The fact that somebody said... I feel that. You know what? Let's go ahead...
• 1:13:40
  Feel that. And make this. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that. I hear you.
• 1:13:46
  I'm still gonna stick with my two and a half, though.
• 1:13:51
  Alright, y'all, that's our five on the black hand side movie review of the movie 42.
• 1:13:58
  Go watch it. It's worth a watch. If you got a couple of hours to kill,
• 1:14:02
  you're a baseball fan, there's a lot of baseball highlight scenes in there, so go watch it.
• 1:14:08
  You'll understand why they were 42 why every major league baseball player wears
• 1:14:14
  42 on Jackie Robinson Day.
• 1:14:17
  You'll understand more about the significance and why they do that.
• 1:14:21
  All right. We're going to go into our closing monologue.
• 1:14:25
  KG, the floor is yours. So today I don't really have much, but I want to talk
• 1:14:33
  about the Negro Leagues.
• 1:14:35
  We're going to continue on it. So basically from the Clowns to the Grays,
• 1:14:40
  these brothers weren't just playing for a box score.
• 1:14:43
  It was for their dignity, basically in a country that tried to keep them in the shadows.
• 1:14:48
  They had their own stars, their own legends, and a style of play that was faster,
• 1:14:52
  bolder, and louder than anything that the majors have seen, maybe until recently.
• 1:14:58
  So when we talk about the good old days of baseball, which we just talked about,
• 1:15:03
  let's make sure we're telling the entire story. because the game didn't start being great in 1947.
• 1:15:09
  It just finally opened its eyes.
• 1:15:12
  I like that. Excellent. All right, y'all.
• 1:15:16
  That concludes this episode of For the Fam Podcast, episode 28.
• 1:15:22
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  friends, alright? Send them the link.
• 1:15:53
  Uzbekistan, brother. I don't even know where the hell that's at.
• 1:16:00
  I saw that and was like, what? All I know is it's Eastern Europe.
• 1:16:06
  Uzbekistan. Alright, alright. Shout out to Uzbekistan. I hope we're pronouncing
• 1:16:10
  that correct. Probably not.
• 1:16:14
  All right, y'all. Well, we're going to leave it there for now.
• 1:16:17
  Again, we thank you guys for tuning in. I'm Six Mill, keeping it true.
• 1:16:22
  It's your boy KG. And we'll holler at y'all next time. Peace.