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White Boy Rick - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In the last episode of Wicked and Grim, we covered
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  Speaker 1: episode one of Richard Wersey Junior aka White Boy Rick.
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  Speaker 1: We discussed his recruitment and work with the FBI as
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  Speaker 1: an undercover informant at the age of fourteen, and his
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  Speaker 1: following years. Here is part two, and we will continue
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  Speaker 1: Rick's story on how his story led to his own
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  Speaker 1: arrest on drug related charges, as well as the results
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  Speaker 1: of his trial and following years.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: You're ready, I'm ready. I mean you've made us wait
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  Speaker 2: a long time for this. A week A week, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: an eternity, an.
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  Speaker 1: Eternity, seven days, as the girl in the ring says. No,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't actually say it, but the tape does. God no,
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  Speaker 1: because she calls and seven days. That's right, No, so
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  Speaker 1: she does say it. So Mary is.
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  Speaker 2: Smart creepy shit right there? Why did you just bring
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  Speaker 2: that up?
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  Speaker 1: Because seven days that's why. Okay, Anyway, my ADHD took
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  Speaker 1: me down a path and I just went with it.
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  Speaker 2: You sure did.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, I'll give us a quick little recap. So last
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  Speaker 1: week left off Rick was recruited by the FBI to
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  Speaker 1: infiltrate a drug operation and gang to feed information into
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  Speaker 1: the authorities. While he was at the age of fourteen
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  Speaker 1: years old he with him, and he did as he
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  Speaker 1: was asked for a few years, being responsible for many
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  Speaker 1: rests and convictions as a result of his work. However,
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  Speaker 1: one day the authority stopped working with Rick, and Rick,
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  Speaker 1: being the young kid that he still was, because that's
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  Speaker 1: what he was, a kid, I believe sixteen at the time,
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  Speaker 1: just kept doing the gang life and the whole drug
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  Speaker 1: selling gig. Then he got stopped in a traffic stop
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  Speaker 1: and was now being arrested for drug possession. However, they
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  Speaker 1: said he didn't have any drugs on at the time,
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  Speaker 1: but they said he fled the scene and stashed eight
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  Speaker 1: kilograms of cocaine under a porch in the neighborhood nearby,
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  Speaker 1: which was found a few hours later. And Rick claims
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  Speaker 1: that this was a setup, and that's where we left off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's a wild story.
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  Speaker 1: It really is, and it only gets to be more
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  Speaker 1: of a slippery slope as we continue the Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so reach down, buckle up those seat belts, make sure
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  Speaker 1: they're sinched up nice and tikes. You don't want to
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  Speaker 1: go flying out of your seat on this story. Sit tight,
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  Speaker 1: and here we go. It was in January of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty eight when Rick Worshey Junior stepped into the Frank
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  Speaker 1: Murphy Hall of Justice in downtown Detroit accompanied by his parents.
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  Speaker 1: His mother was wearing oversized sunglasses sunglasses sorry, and a
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  Speaker 1: lavish fur coat. His father was there as well, with
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  Speaker 1: a gray trench coat as he walked by his side.
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  Speaker 1: Rick himself wore a double breasted suit and pleated pants
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  Speaker 1: complimented by nice alligator skinned loafers as he walked into
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom. Oh wow, so they were looking good, they
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  Speaker 1: were now. Among Rick's legal representatives was a William Buffalino
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  Speaker 1: the Second, who was a short, stout man known for
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  Speaker 1: his courtroom flare if you would. Notably, Buffalino hailed from
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  Speaker 1: a family with gleas ties to organized crime alleged, which
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  Speaker 1: added an intriguing element to the unfolding drama. Now Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: or Buffalino sorry, had orchestrated a lot of attention around
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  Speaker 1: Rick's case regarding perceived violations of their constitutional right and
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  Speaker 1: as such, along with the infamy now of the manned
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  Speaker 1: newspaper we're calling quote white boy Rick, the trial drew
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  Speaker 1: a considerable audience, including representatives from media such as from
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  Speaker 1: sixty Minutes. Oh okay, yep. So the camera crew from
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  Speaker 1: those guys were there, as well as supporters of Rick
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  Speaker 1: and individuals associated with the drug trade.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so they kind of have like an invested interest, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the latter actually were so notorious that even
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  Speaker 1: the attending journalists in the courtroom could easily identify these guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's this ringleader dude.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah, that's a little bit unsettling, really, I mean, they.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of is. But it's not like it's a courtroom.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like shit's going to go down, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I could only imagine how high the tensions in that
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  Speaker 1: courtroom would be. Yeah, Like, you have notable individuals who
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  Speaker 1: are committing I'm assuming several quite hefty crimes, and you
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  Speaker 1: have several authorities who are after in committing or sorry,
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  Speaker 1: condemning many of the friends of such people and the like.
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  Speaker 1: Is probably causing a lot of tension.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't imagine it'd be a
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  Speaker 2: very good vibe sitting in there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine many courtrooms are a very good vibe.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, that's very true.
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  Speaker 1: So during the trial, Rick was quite optimistic and he
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  Speaker 1: had reason to be. The neighbors who had reported the
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  Speaker 1: discovery of the eight kilogram package of cocaine that was
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  Speaker 1: found beneath their porch. They claimed that Rick had approached
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  Speaker 1: their backyard and was carrying the cardboard box. However, there
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  Speaker 1: existed zero tangible evidence linking Rick to the box. No fingerprints,
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  Speaker 1: no DNA, no video footage or photographs. Nothing. Okay, it
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  Speaker 1: was going solely on a claim a witness claim. Now,
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  Speaker 1: one of Rick's legal representatives posted the theory that the
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  Speaker 1: police had planted the drugs to conceal the alleged beating
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  Speaker 1: that had endured a Rick. So defense witness asserted that
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  Speaker 1: during the altercation the traffic stop and he was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: allegedly being arrested for drugs, and the tussle occurred and
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  Speaker 1: he ran Allegedly during that tussle, a police officer actually
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  Speaker 1: struck him with his pistol, so literally pistol whipping Rick
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  Speaker 1: in this incident. And so this was actually a way
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  Speaker 1: of giving them reason for the force that was used.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like excessive force because it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this guy like trying to run with a bunch of drugs.
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  Speaker 1: So you know what like a force the ground sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing and hence the beating.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. But he didn't have anything when he was
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  Speaker 2: running away, correct, correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean there's nothing saying that he did, but
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing saying that he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean what they found in his car was cash,
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  Speaker 1: but they never said, well, he ran off with an
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  Speaker 1: eight kilogram box of cocaine. But they're all like, well,
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  Speaker 1: he must have had it on him, we just didn't
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  Speaker 1: know or didn't see.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I feel like that would be something notable that
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  Speaker 2: you would remember.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine it's like, oh, what's that guy running
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  Speaker 1: away with a brick of cocaine? Yeah, it looks it's
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, it's simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, even though even if he was just carrying
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  Speaker 2: a box, like say it was sealed, I think that
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  Speaker 2: you would just recall that because you would be like, shit,
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  Speaker 2: what's in the box? And you wonder, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean you're stopped and you're a known dealer at this time, right,
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  Speaker 1: So you're stopped and there's a giant water cap that
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  Speaker 1: the police officers have found, and then you suddenly just
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  Speaker 1: run off with a box. I wonder what's in there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, But there's no such thing any box or
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  Speaker 1: any drugs or anything other than cash being present at
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  Speaker 1: that traffic stop in his vehicle at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, because he had just dropped them all off.
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  Speaker 2: Two right, I'm trying to Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had already done the transaction.
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  Speaker 2: Hence the cash.
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  Speaker 1: The cash.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So during the closing statement, the attorney emphasized the multitude
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  Speaker 1: of falsehoods and flaws in the state's case, urging that
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  Speaker 1: the audience would reject this idea, declaring quote, it repels
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  Speaker 1: you and makes you want to stand up and shout
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  Speaker 1: no way, no way. Now something that I did actually
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  Speaker 1: say in part one. This kind of goes back to
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  Speaker 1: the box of cocaine that was allegedly stashed that Rick
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  Speaker 1: allegedly ran away with. I did say that Rick claims
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  Speaker 1: to this day that he was set up. Technically that's false,
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  Speaker 1: because I did find some new information that Rick actually
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  Speaker 1: claims to admit being responsible for those eight kilograms of cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: It was part of the shipment that came in that
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  Speaker 1: day that he was dealing with, but it was in
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  Speaker 1: the hands of a partner who lived nearby and hid
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  Speaker 1: it under the neighbor's porch after hearing police sirens and ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Rick did is still maintaining that he did not
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  Speaker 1: have it on him during the altercation. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: another individual who Yeah, he still is responsible for the cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: but another individual who actually held it and stashed it.
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  Speaker 1: He technically should not be getting arrest for possession because
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  Speaker 1: he did not have it in his possession, but.
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  Speaker 2: He knew of it kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: He knew of it. It was his, but he did
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  Speaker 1: not have it on him when he was arrested for
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  Speaker 1: ession of alleged possession. So I do want to remind
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  Speaker 1: you guys that Rick is a drug dealer. We know
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  Speaker 1: that he is a gang member. We know that. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not like he is being arrested just blatantly out
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  Speaker 1: of nothing. There are reasons technically, though, the arrest was
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  Speaker 1: made under potential false pretenses. So he does still claim
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  Speaker 1: to this day that he did not stash it himself
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  Speaker 1: or have it with him in the initial stop when
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  Speaker 1: the arrest occurred. So okay. Nevertheless, the defense team managed
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  Speaker 1: to inject uncertainty into Rick's case over said eight kilograms
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  Speaker 1: of cocaine over four days of deliberation the jury twice
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  Speaker 1: notified the judge of their deadlock, but they were unable
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  Speaker 1: to come to a decision. They were unable to come
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  Speaker 1: to a verdict. Throughout this period, Rick remained confident. His
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  Speaker 1: defense team was reassuring them we got this. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: at one point, even before trial, his defense team was
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  Speaker 1: so sure of themselves they didn't even think they'd be going.
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  Speaker 2: To trial, Okay, So the fact that they were even
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  Speaker 2: there though, was a bit, yeah, surprising for them.
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  Speaker 1: So Rick remained confident, you know, even joking around with
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  Speaker 1: some officers and stuff in the hallway, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: being casual, like it's not a big deal, Like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be out in no time.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could act like that if I was
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  Speaker 2: in that situation. I think that I would be kind
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  Speaker 2: of a negative Nellyan, just be like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done, terrified. I would have no fingernails left. I
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  Speaker 1: would be like chewing them to the bone, guaranteed.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I thought I was going through a roadblock the
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  Speaker 2: other night, and I wasn't. I hadn't even been drinking.
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  Speaker 2: I was thriving people who had been drinking, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, shit, shit, shit shit.
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  Speaker 1: In no situations, it's almost like, that's when you're questioning yourself,
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  Speaker 1: do I have eight kilograms of cocaine in my car?
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's just so weird because yeah, I had
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  Speaker 2: done literally nothing wrong, but I was just like panicking. Amo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the stress, the situation. But yeah, Rick was remaining confident.
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  Speaker 1: He was reassured by his defense team there's nothing to
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  Speaker 1: be concerned about. They got this. And then finally the
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  Speaker 1: long awaited verdict finally came in. Rick Worshe Junior was
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  Speaker 1: found guilty of possession, and he sat in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: with an expressionless demeanor, not knowing what to do.
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  Speaker 2: Shit.
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  Speaker 1: So the following sentencing hearing was held three weeks later,
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  Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was a mere formality because
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  Speaker 1: as possession of over six hundred and fifty grams, it
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  Speaker 1: mandates a life sentence by the state under the law
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  Speaker 1: of the six fifty lifer law. Oh my gosh, a
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  Speaker 1: sentence that was very quickly handed to Rick, who I
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  Speaker 1: want to remind you is seventeen a minor.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, And I wonder, I just this kind of just
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  Speaker 2: like dawned on me. I wonder if he was kind
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  Speaker 2: of so calm because he was thinking, had I word
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  Speaker 2: this that at some point like okay, like the FBI
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  Speaker 2: is going to come and help me or whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they kind of like put me back in the day
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  Speaker 2: in this situation, like something's going to help me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's potential.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the judge during the sentencing took note of the
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  Speaker 1: other youth in the courtroom who were adorned with quote,
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  Speaker 1: gold chains and dress that is common to the drug trade.
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  Speaker 1: He ominously kind of predicted that they would survive the
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  Speaker 1: perils associated with the lifestyle, the drug trade, the gang life,
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  Speaker 1: basically saying that, yeah, you guys are one day going
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  Speaker 1: to end up neighbors in jail with Rick if you
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  Speaker 1: don't smart enough, if you keep this act going, Look
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  Speaker 1: what's happening to your friend sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: So, even though he was a minor, he was still
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  Speaker 2: kind of tried, like got a full sentence correct, So
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  Speaker 2: it almost seems like they're using Rick is like an.
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  Speaker 1: Example potentially, but even still, you shouldn't be able to
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  Speaker 1: do that to a minor. No, but they still tried
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  Speaker 1: him as an adult even though he's not.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh and a miner with like his history did like
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom and the judge and the jury know of
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  Speaker 2: this FBI history or had that not? Really? Am I
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  Speaker 2: getting ahead of myself here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to touch on that here soon.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, during the jury's deliberation in Rick Junior's trial, because
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  Speaker 1: remember his father is Rick Senior, So Rick Senior actually
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  Speaker 1: had a confrontation with a member of the authorities in
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  Speaker 1: the hallway outside the courtroom. He allegedly warned the individual quote,
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  Speaker 1: you better not sleep too well, which swiftly led to
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  Speaker 1: his arrest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he faced charges of threatening an officer and to
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  Speaker 1: add to the lists possessing illegal silencers which were discovered
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  Speaker 1: in one of the raids of his home. If you
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  Speaker 1: call in part one, Rick Senior was involved with the
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  Speaker 1: illegal arms dealing, so his threat to an officer was
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  Speaker 1: taken even that much more seriously.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: From his cell in Wayne County Jail, Rick Senior granted
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  Speaker 1: interviews to several reporters in the weeks following his son's conviction.
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  Speaker 1: In each conversation, he told a story that seemed almost
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable to anyone who heard it. Any of the reporters.
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  Speaker 1: Rick Senior began telling everyone about how both he and
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  Speaker 1: his son had served as informants for the FBI quote.
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  Speaker 1: They used me and they used my son. He asserted
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  Speaker 1: that they both had taken significant risk to assist authorities
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: in gathering crucial evidence of drug dealings on the East Side,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and to quote him again, and now they turned round
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and fuck us over.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, Kim, I'm kind of glad that he's not
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: keeping quiet.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's he's actually speaking out. And this claim
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that he'd actually been colaboring with the FBI was a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: perplexing claim to many, and it kind of like shook
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the world essentially when it came out, or at least
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to those who were involved with listening or following the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: story in any sort Basically, like, if this were true,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: why hadn't the defense team, like you had mentioned, bring
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: this up during the trial. Well, reportedly, Rick Junior's attorneys
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: made an agreement to not admit any pre trial evidence,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: which would include omitting any information regarding him working with
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the FBI or police as an informant while infiltrating the gangs.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, why sorry, I don't know. Okay, I mean I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: feel like if that was mentioned, it could have gone
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a lot differently.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Perhaps, Oh, I mean like this, honestly, it makes things
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a lot worse. The news had been painting White quote
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: white boy Rick as a drug king pen basically a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: dangerous man who's like running rampant on the streets of Detroit,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: even being responsible for the disappearance of individuals, hencing potential
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: murders at his hand, being a leader of hundreds of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: murders within his gang, most of which was not true
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: at all. He sold drugs, yes, but was certainly not
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a kingpin by any means, and anything else was literally
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a flat out lie. Years later, on a parole hearing,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: he would actually the court would actually touch on this
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: whole thing, and they looked at a lot of the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: news articles and papers that were written about him at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the time. They found that over half of them were
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: proven to be falsified stories with zero evidence to stand on.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So basically, Rick stood in front of a jury that
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: knew absolutely nothing of his work with authorities or how
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: he became an informant. But they did know about the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: miss white Boy Rick because of all the news articles
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: out there and the falsified stories that were being published
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in the public newspaper outside the courtroom.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Oh man, this is this is a mess.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So all they knew is that this quote white boy
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Rick was a drug kingpin, responsible for people's murders potentially
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and is now found with eighty kilograms of cocaine in
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: his possession. Eighty eight or sorry, he's eight kilograms? Was like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: oly shit, no not eighty eight Wow? Yeah, to Rick
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to quote him, he feels the attorneys quote tanked his case. Now,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: there is some this would be like a multi episode
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: if we kind of go into this, but there is
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: some thought into potential was it tanked on purpose and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: some political stuff with his attorneys, but that it's a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: whole spider web, so I'm not going to get into that,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but there is a potential that they tanked it on purpose.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But Rick does feel his attorneys to tank the case,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: whether purposely or not, We're not going to touch on that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I just have to just say that's not
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: potentially far fetched with everything else that's going on.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's not I mean, like, how could you
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: not say, how could you make an agreement on your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: on your the person you're representing a defense team that
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we're not going to bring up the whole history on
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: why you're holding drugs in the first place.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't because yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you know, you almost think was were they paid off?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's potentially right, like how much were they making?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Now, So, when asked about Rix's involvement as an informant,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the FBI, adhering to their agency policy, never confirmed nor
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: denied any relationship with either Rix Senior or Junior. Now
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: At the time, Rick Senior identified an FBI agent named
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: James Dixon as the handler for the two of them,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: but when questioned about it shortly after the trial, Dixon
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: declined to comment on the matter whatsoever, basically stating that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: any suggestion of betrayal by the law was quote ridiculous.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Dixon resigned that same year and remained silent on the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: case thereafter. However, today he resides in a Detroit suburb
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and was tracked down after retirement. Initially, he spoke very
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: cautiously when being interviewed and spoken to about this case.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Any casually mentioned working with uninformant without disclosing a name.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: When asked directly if that informant was Richard Worshe, there
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: was a prolonged pause followed by yes.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: No shit, yes, wow, oh okay, that just made my
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: stomach just ex sink.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So not only is it confirmed and there are
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: apparently documentation out there with the Worsh's names on it
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: regarding the FBI federal documentation, but now we actually have
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: admittance of it, and none of it was brought up
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: in trial. When questioned about it around the trial, even
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: outside the courtroom, no one would confirm or deny or
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: say anything. I'm pretty sure all of that information, even
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit of it, would have been very and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I mean very impactful on this case. However, it was
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: just tossed aside. And Rick Junior, seventeen years old, while
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: standing trial and being convicted, is taking the brunt of
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Hm, this is just such a bizarre story.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Well it gets a little worse.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Are you serious? I don't understand how.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It could well see the law regarding life to those
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: who were charged with possession over six hundred and fifty grams,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: remember that, the lifer law. Yeah, it was eventually overturned
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. But Rick, however, was rejected
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to a new hearing or parole because he was apparently
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: labeled as a menace to society by the Michigan Parole Board.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So even though that law that stated he needs to
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: get life was overruled and gone out the window. He
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: still had to serve life.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is almost just terrifying this case,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: because it's just it seems like so many opportunities or
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: chances to be heard just get rejected. Yeah, and it
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I want to know something even more crazy.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: No, I'm actually my mind's already blown.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Well perhaps because of this, but anyways, he see this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is this is difficult to say because it sucks. He
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: assisted the FBI again in the nineteen nineties while behind
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: bars with a sting operation. Why so Rick juniors help
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: being convicted and he's helping the FBI once again.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sued.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Now. The FBI they went to see him, they asked
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: for help, and they told him they couldn't get him
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: out of jail, but they did say that if you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: help us with this, we could potentially get you out
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of jail and into an FBI custody like a Witness
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Protection program facility. So you're still like in a housing
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and everything, still technically in prison, but at least you're
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: out of jail in a housing situation instead. And they
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: also said in your parole, we can like stand trial
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and speak for you as well in a parole hearing.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, please tell me they delivered this for him.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So the operation was known as Operation Backbone, and that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: again could be a whole other episode all on its own,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and it kind of ties back to the individuals who
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: represented Rick Junior in the court his defendants. But Operation
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: back Bone was targeting crooked cops and officials and political
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: figures and was unfortunately an unsuccessful operation. Now I did
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: get word of him being in some sort of facility,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't really pin down when it occurred. If
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he was taken into FBI custody and a protection program
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: for like a year six months, when I have zero idea,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's true. But I did
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: read that somewhere that he was in a protection program
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: at some point. However, everything else just says he was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: behind bars, he was in prison. So I'm going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: go with the point that he never did get into
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: FBI protection and he stayed in prison the entire time.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the operation was unsuccessful. The targeted man by
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the name of Gil Hill and other influential city politicians
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of they weren't able to do anything. So
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: despite his efforts, he was labeled as a menace still
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and was still too dangerous and did not get a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: rehearing to lose the life sentence.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: That's interesting though, just because the operation wasn't successful, he
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't get shit that's promised.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's not that that. It's not that it's because
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't successful. It's potentially because it wasn't successful that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: he didn't get a The courtroom didn't look better on him.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, sure you help the FBI,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: but for what nothing happened. You know, he was labeled
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: as a menace to society sort of thing. So he
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't granted a rehearing after that lifer law was overturned. Right,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So maybe if he helped the FBI and it was successful,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't have looked at him as a quote
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: menace to society and would have given him a retrial.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And this menace thing is bothersome to me because, like
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: we've talked a lot of times on here about how
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: rehabilitation is possible, isn't possible kind of thing. But I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: feel like with how young he was, I do feel
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like it's more so possible, oh definitely right that he
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: could think he could really have get an change his
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: life right for the better. And I don't know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Well, And not only that, he was a model inmate,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he had not a single infraction on his record seriously
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the entire time. Well he did have one, which we
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: will touch here later. He had one infraction well behind
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: bars his entire prison career. He had won wow. But
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: he was a model inmate the entire time otherwise, and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he was non violent. He just had drugs on him,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: which apparently he technically didn't even And I feel like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: If anyone should be a pain in the ass and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in prison, it would be him, because I would just
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: be like pissed.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Probably. Now another detail that's really important to talk about.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: In Michigan, each person is supposed to have an opportunity
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: for parole once every five years, Okay. However, for some
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: unknown reason, Rick was denied that right. He was given
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: a single parole hearing. Ever the entire time he was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: behind bars. So in twenty seventeen, extensive publicity surrounding Rick
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Worshey Junior's case, who was, as I already mentioned, a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: nonviolent drug offender for a crime he committed at the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: age of seventeen, led to him finally receiving a parole
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: hearing after a total of twenty eight years behind bars.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let that soak in.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: What the actual fuck is happening?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Non violent crime a youth. The law that puts you
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in there for that long was overturned. You have the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: right to a parole hearing every five years. However, here
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we are twenty eight years later for a youth first
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: parole hearing. Non violent again. Remember, I think that's very
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: important to say.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: You know. I just feel like if I was him,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I would be like almost lighting that place on fire.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I would just be I as much of a pain
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in the ass as I could be, I think, because fuck,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't change anything.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I can't condone Arson, but I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: understand your sentiment that I know what you mean.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: That was such a statement physically actually do it, but
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just fucking but yeah, no, I would
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: be livid as well. So he spent twenty eight years
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in jail was finally out on parole. However, his release
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: did not bring freedom, as he was immediately taken into
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: custody by the US Marshals to serve another five year
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: sentence in Florida State Prison. This was for a two
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight conviction related to car theft ring while
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: he was behind bars. As I said, he did have
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: one infraction on his resume, if you will, of a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: model inmate. So Rick committed this crime behind bars. He
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: had purchased a stolen car through some of his connections
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: for his mom and sister. Authorities found out about it
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and threatened to pursue legal action on his mom and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: sister if he did not seek a plea bargain in court.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So he did, and as a result, was sentenced to
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: an additional five years in prison.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, despite his application for leniency or essentially like mercy,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he was denied and went back to jail.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And that's where he is right now.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: He completed his sentence with credits for good behavior and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was released from cuts in Florida on July twentieth of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, just in time for COVID when he had
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to get locked down.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, right, oh okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: In July of twenty twenty one, a year after his release,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a year out of jail. Rick took legal action against
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the FBI, asserting that his lawsuit. Asserting in his lawsuit
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that the involvement as an informant for the task force
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: completely compelled him into the world of drugs, gangs, and criminality.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: He contended that the FBI's actions amounted to child abuse,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: However, how you're however's however, throw a coaster at your face?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, thank you.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm pissed over here.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm going to try and protect myself on Nicole's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: probably throwing stuff at me. But however, a federal judge
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: did dismissed his one hundred million dollar lawsuit against the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: FBI and Detroit Police, ruling not that his claims were false,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: but that he had waited too long to sue over
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: his alleged distress and misfortune resulting from cooperating with the government.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: He waited too fucking long to sue the man that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: they held behind bars since he was a fucking child
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: who couldn't even get a parole.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Hearing this case is just something, isn't it. I cannot
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: believe this. It just keeps getting worse and worse. It's
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: like the shit just keeps piling on. Yeah, I don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: even know what to say.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Your eyes are the size of those coasters right now,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they are.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just shocked. I don't know if I've actually been
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: this shocked over a case. I mean, like, we've covered
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: so many that are shocking, but this is just like
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: jaw dropping.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: It is he was a figure for authorities and then
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: they pinned all this on him. Why. I don't know.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Well, they're backpedaling because they realized they fucked up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how bad would it have looked that they got
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: this kid shot when he was like what fifteen or sixteen?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: How bad would it look that they ruined this kid's lives? Oh,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they realized this is child abuse?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Shit. M hm.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So this potentially could be a whole cover up. Potentially maybe,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there is documents saying he worked with
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the FBI. There is admission that he worked with the
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: FBI as an informant, but to what extent though a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: lot of this is coming from Rick's story, Rick's side,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Rick's dad.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: There's always two sides to the story.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I guess some of it might be being embellished, But
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: as far as we know, the FBI is not denying
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: any of it.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know the whole would cover up and everything.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: It's shot, but it's not shocking, do you know what
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Yeah. So Rick, at the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: age of seventeen, was convicted and spent over three decades
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: behind bars. And while behind bars, he had no one.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: He was fighting the literal government and FBI. Rightfully, he
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: expressed fears of retaliation if he spoke out against powerful
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: figures who claimed and pressured him into becoming an informant
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: as a kid. So how could he really know that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: he could even sue? He had no one behind bars?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And because too, in a situation like that, you wouldn't
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: really be able to protect yourself no, right if someone
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: did want to do something to.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You, you're at the whim of authorities. I mean, technically speaking,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: we always are, but much more of a watchful eye
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: at that point. So if he's going to be behind
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: bars and sue them, you think that's gonna fucking work?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I could, you could, honestly, just with all the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: shit going down, like I could see him getting killed.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And how could he have even really had a
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: lawsuit behind bars? He's going to have he's not going
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to be able to find someone to defend him. He's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: going to be given a defendant, given a defendant by
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: who the authorities he's trying to sue. You think he's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: going to win that case?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah. So the judge concluded that he could have
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and should have taken legal actions sooner, but since he didn't,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it was just simply too little too late.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Is that actually a rule though, that it took him
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: too long? Like I've never I think.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: There is, because there's even situations that I have heard
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of murderers like literally telling their story after it's too
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: little too late to have been wrestled.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Actually, I can't remember what the law is called or anything,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: but I do know that there is that sort of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: thing that occurs quite frequently.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: But I also feel like there has to be excludion,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: like this man was in jail, so like he didn't
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: have the opportunity, do you know what I mean?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Yeah, I feel the same. Yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: even if he didn't, even if he did have the opportunity,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: even authorities, the government would provide the opportunity for inmates
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to pursue a lawsuit like that, he didn't have the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: education to know better. He was a kid when he
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: was thrown behind bars. Yeah he didn't know. Yeah, maybe
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: they should have. I don't know, made him see counselors
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: talk about this sort of thing. Maybe he's been sitting
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: on this idea for years and didn't know he could
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: pursue it behind bars. Did they give him the opportunity,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: We don't know. So while serving his time behind bars,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: ricked missed crucial moments in his family's lives. His father
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: had passed away and he was unable to attend his funeral.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: He had two kids who he never really knew, met
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a few times through the bars of prison.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: He had two kids.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yep. Oh, I'm not too sure when they were conceived,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: if they were conceived before he was going in or
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe conjugal visits. I don't know. I didn't
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: really dig too much information, dig too deep on that information. Okay,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: But he did have two kids, and he missed decades
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of their lives. So now, the name white Boy Rick
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was not a street name that Rick used himself, nor
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: was it one that he was ever called by those
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: who he was associated with. The name was strictly given
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to him by reporters and new sources. So Rick Worshey
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Junior was a boy who was working with authorities. To
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: what degree I mean that may be up for debate,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: but it is factual and it is documented that the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: relationship did in fact occur. It is very possible and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: perhaps probable without any sort of this informant connection, that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Rick may have grown up to live a drug in
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: crime free life. He may have never seen the inside
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  Speaker 1: of a prison cell whatsoever, but instead, well, you know
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: how it played out.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, on the flip side, who knows, maybe
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: he still would have ended up in that sort of
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: crowd too, right, He might have.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he very well could have.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Being just thinking about like what his dad was involved
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: in and stuff.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he didn't grow up in like the very
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: nicest of areas either, Like it was fairly heavily involved
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: crime drug gang thing in the vicinity of his upbringing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a very good possibility that it could
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: have occurred. But it's also a very good possibility that
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: could have grown up and have a beautiful family and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a lawyer in good suburban town, mowing his lawn every
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: other day and going to church on Sundays.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, even if he was involved in, say,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: got involved in some sort of something shady, he probably
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: would have had a better chance in court and with
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: pearls and everything, because there wouldn't have been someone in
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the background and on all this.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot more political ties
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that go into this story. There was a documentary called
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: White Boy, and it's on Netflix right now. I do
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: highly recommend you go watch it. It is very informative
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and they go into some of the political stuff a bit.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: For example, one of the things one of the gangs
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that Rick was infiltrating, I can't remember what it was called.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It was called the best Friend's Gang, I think is
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: what it is. And one of the heads of that gang,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Rick Junior, had actually gotten arrested and convicted, and so
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Rick almost kind of took his place a bit, but
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like not really. However, he did start dating that guy's wife,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: oh shit, who also was the mayor's daughter or something
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like that. And then that's why the FBI wanted to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: use Rick's in when he was behind bars, because of
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: his his connection to this woman who was like in
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the political world, and like there was a wow, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: then there's different ties with his his defendants who are
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: also within and all this, and it just it's a huge,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: huge thing that it goes down for quite a ways.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: So how how long is this? Is it like a
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: mini docus here?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: He's kind of I know it's a one off documentary,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and I think it's I think it's like two hours.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I actually really want to watch that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's a good documentary, huh, Because.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is a fascinating story. It's unbelievable.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I've actually ever heard this, which I mean,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: this story goes so deep because there's even lyrics of
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: white Boy Rick and some some like rap songs and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: stuff like that Kid Rock spoke at his parole hearing. Yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, jeez,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it's just wild.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: This is wild.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I keep saying that. But I don't even know how
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the hell out should describe miss this. Why I can't
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: even talk and my eyeballs are still the size of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: these coasters.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm curious what everyone thinks on the validity of this.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Do you think that white Boy Rick or Rick Wershey
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Junior was involved in the FBI to the extent that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he says, because we know he was, that's factual. But
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: did the FBI really indoctrinate him into the gang and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: crime world? Did this really all occur when he was fourteen?
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Man, it seems like it almost seems a guy. I
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: believe it, but it also seems like it's something I
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to believe either.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I think I do believe it.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's disgusting if it's if it's a hundred percent.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sure, maybe they're they're embellishing some of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the stories a bit, but I don't think they're going
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to embellish the story on Yeah, I was an informant
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: since fourteen. Okay, maybe it's even fifteen. I was an
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: informant since fifteenth. Hasn't really changed much. I was an
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: informance since I was a young teenager for the authorities
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to infiltrate gangs and sell drugs and stuff. Like I said,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: there's documentation that he was.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Whoever had this idea is just.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Cruel, Yeah, extremely cruel.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very disturbing, disturbed.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, huh Okay, So that's uh the story. There you go,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: white boy Rick aka Rick Worshey junior man.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: How old would he be? Now?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, I'm not certain. I let me see.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he's around.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Sixty Okay, Yeah, that sounds about right.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I think he got out when he was about fifty
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: eight if I'm not mistaken, So I think it'll be
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: sixty one, maybe sixty two.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And okay, I shouldn't, it's not funny, but I just
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: there's so many other things that I think people have
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: committed worse acts, not saying that he didn't commit anything bad,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that are in prison for way less time.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, let's look at this. Assume assume
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: that he did work with the FBI as an informant.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Assume that he was there under there, okay, to be
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a fake drug dealer, a fake gang member, whatever, Okay,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: he did after they disconnected from him, which they didn't
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: actually say they were disconnecting, They just stopped talking to him.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: So theoretically he may have still been under the impression
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that he's still working with him, but will say there
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: was a cutoff. He was a gang member and drug
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: dealer for up to approximately a year six months to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: a year, let's say, where he was committing these crimes
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: solely on his own accord, without the authorities telling him to.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was kind of also in too deep.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: That's part of the story.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: They couldn't get out of it. Yeah, for sure, how
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: the fuck would you get out of it?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You're right, but he was a drug dealer, he was.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was negatively affecting other people's lives by being
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: a drug dealer, for sure.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So even if you take out the aspect of being
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: affected by authorities and manipulated and it's indoctrinated into his life,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: he was a drug dealer for six months to one year.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I don't care who the fuck you are if you're
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a drug dealer for any amount of drugs, a nonviolent
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: drug dealer, well, I mean maybe if you're like literally
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: working with the cartel and like shipments like I don't know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: like shipping containers like thousands of pounds of drug might
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: be different stories. But if you can carry the amount
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of drugs on your person, you should not serve life
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: in jail, no way, Because I can only imagine some
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of these people that's their only option of a livelihood. Yeah,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that's all they can do to feed their kids.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just thinking about other people have
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like committed murders and like done wrongdoings to children and
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: they get liked and they get less and oh gosh, yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and then they're back out on the streets. Because I
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: feel like him being back out on the street isn't
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: necessarily going to be what's the word, a problem for
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: humanity or like no, you know, like reoffending or no,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: like a fear of reoffending.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I agree, there's many violent criminals out there who got
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: way less than this non violent criminal, yeah, who was
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: technically only a criminal via the puppet strings of the law. Anyways,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I could rant for like hours on this because oh
• 47:42
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• 47:46
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• 48:20
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• 48:37
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• 48:45
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• 48:47
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• 49:15
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