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- 0:04Welcome back to the podcast. On this Thursday, John Piper has preached a
- 0:07couple thousand sermons in front of a few hundred thousand people around the world.
- 0:13Only the Lord knows the true count. I tried to put the numbers together
- 0:17and I couldn't figure it all out. Whatever the exact numbers, it's a
- 0:20lot of sermons in front of a lot of people. And a young preacher
- 0:25wants to know Pastor John, how your preaching has been critiqued over the years.
- 0:29Here's his email. My name is Aaron and I'm a very new preacher
- 0:34from Australia. Pastor John, I've read your book Expository Exultation and I found
- 0:39it thoroughly helpful. My question for you is this, in your early years
- 0:42and perhaps even now, what kind of criticisms have you received for your preaching?
- 0:47In particular, have you received feedback in regard to your volume, how
- 0:51loudly you preached? Sometimes? I love your passion, but have people ever
- 0:55given you feedback teaching you to adjust your tone, dynamics or express What did
- 1:00you do with the criticism and what have you learned from it over the years.
- 1:07I'm laughing because I can remember some really funny feedback. So Aaron asks
- 1:11about the loudness, tone dynamics. But let me broaden this out and give
- 1:21you ten criticisms that John Piper's preaching has received over the years, and how
- 1:27I've tried to respond to each, and it includes what he's asking, but
- 1:32it's more Number one and the reason I was laughing. Shar Ransom, Bless
- 1:38her heart, she's with Jesus now. Shar Ransom, one of my great
- 1:42cheerleaders in my early years as a pastor at Bethlehem, told me about fifteen
- 1:49years into my ministry, I like the early John Piper. And I said,
- 1:59well, well, what do you mean, char She said, the
- 2:01teacher, not the shouter. And she said it with a twinkle in her
- 2:06eye, and she was a loyal listener for another fifteen years. But I
- 2:10tried to take that to heart and do what I have told so many young
- 2:16guys to do. By all means, let your affections show if they're real,
- 2:24but be sure they correspond to the realities of the text, and be
- 2:30sure they are varied, because any single sustained tone or loudness will start to
- 2:38grate on the ear and sound artificial after a while. If it's not varied,
- 2:45so variety authenticity, appropriateness to the text and to the audience. And
- 2:53I don't think she thought I ever got it right, I ever got it
- 2:59right. But some people can love you in spite of things. Number two.
- 3:04Early on, my wife said, you drop your voice at the end
- 3:08of sentences, Johnny. People can't hear the end of your sentences. And
- 3:13that was true. I listened. That was true. I think that's true
- 3:16for a lot of young pastors. They get into a bad habit. It
- 3:22was simply a bad habit. It wasn't any constitutional inability. It was just
- 3:25a learned quirk that needed fixing. And I think I was able to overcome
- 3:31that. At least. She hasn't said anything about that for twenty years or
- 3:36so. Thanks, thank you, Noel for good advice. Wives are your
- 3:38best critics. Often. Number three, you're not looking at all the parts
- 3:45of the congregation. Your eye contact with significant segments of the people is non
- 3:50existent. You seem to look at these two or three directions, but you
- 3:54neglect this part of the people. You neglect that part of the people.
- 3:58You don't look at the balcony. Now, that was extremely helpful, and
- 4:03I knew it was true as soon as they said it. I just want
- 4:06to encourage Joman. For a new preacher, just getting the content right is
- 4:14huge challenge, right, and there's not a lot of mental resources left over
- 4:17or to think about, oh my goodness, where am I looking. But
- 4:20with a bit of effort and the relaxation that comes from experience, you can
- 4:28overcome that, and then it can become second nature to just look naturally.
- 4:33Everywhere during your preaching number four, you overuse certain words this and my wife
- 4:41again, and she's the key critic here. This was a recurring issue over
- 4:46the years. I didn't solve this. I don't know that you ever solve
- 4:49this, at least I don't. She has to tell me this every few
- 4:53years. You use unbelievable too often, you use absolutely too often, you
- 5:00use precisely too often, you use amazing too often. Now those would be
- 5:03like criticisms separated by three or four years. And I suppose this is why
- 5:11I am so insistent for young preachers to give serious thought to finding fresh ways
- 5:17of saying things, because often young preachers think that if they can just say
- 5:23what comes naturally, that they'll sound fresh. That's a lot of blogey they
- 5:29won't sound fresh, they'll sound like they're interrupt We default in our natural ways
- 5:36to familiar words, and familiar words start to sound hackneyed, which will communicate
- 5:45to the people he's not really seeing fresh beauties in the Bible and in Christ.
- 5:49He just says the same old stuff over and over again. Number five,
- 5:56you sound angry, really, yeake. I don't want to sound angry.
- 6:01I'm not angry even I'm not angry, not angry. When you say
- 6:08you're not angry, well, that's the way it comes across. And at
- 6:12one point, I remember I had to stop listening to Martin Lloyd Jones.
- 6:17I love Martin Lloyd Jones, because he did sound angry. He did.
- 6:21I kept listening to him, and I'm thinking, from my American ears,
- 6:27this growling Welshman sounds angry. He's not angry, but he says sounds angry.
- 6:32So I made a conscious effort to pray, Lord fill me with real,
- 6:39authentic joy and humble amazement at grace and let that spill over. Don't
- 6:47let me be angry, or don't let me sound angry. In other words,
- 6:51I think the best way to push out bad sounds is not mainly to
- 6:58try not to sound a certain way, but to sound a better way because
- 7:02you really feel that better way. Number six, you use words people don't
- 7:10know. What people don't know obsequious, people don't know parsimonious, pusillanimous,
- 7:18lascivious. Well, of course they don't, So get real, piper.
- 7:21Do you want to impress or do you want to communicate? I want to
- 7:26communicate, So I try to fix it. And now I'm a real stickler
- 7:31with our seminary guys when it comes to taking their academic jargon into the pulpit.
- 7:39Use ordinary language. But I do believe that there is a place for
- 7:45teaching words that it would be good for people to know that they might not
- 7:51ordinarily know. Propitiation, expiation, redemption, sanctification, glorification, and lots
- 8:00of others that might not be part of people's ordinary vocabulary. And I think
- 8:05this is done can be done without sounding academic or to teach you in the
- 8:11pulpit. Number seven, your message is too complex. It goes over our
- 8:18heads. I can remember a couple telling me that my second year, maybe
- 8:24it was my first year at Bethlehem, and they left the church. They
- 8:26just left the church. So I have tried to work hard to make complex
- 8:33things more understandable. I think all the great truths in Scripture can be explained
- 8:39in understandable language, not necessarily acceptable language, but understandable, Which leads to
- 8:50the next criticism. Your preaching is too oriented on the glory of God,
- 8:58too calvinistic, it's too out of step with contemporary culture on issues like sexuality,
- 9:05relationships of men and women, too blunt and uncompromising on the sin of
- 9:09abortion, etc. Now this sort of criticism only concerned me, not because
- 9:18of the content. I wasn't going to change biblical views to fit the audience,
- 9:24but because of the proportion. So I tried to form the habit of
- 9:30checking, checking my emphasis, and asking others to see if something was being
- 9:35emphasized that was good and true, but maybe out of proportion with other things.
- 9:43In Scripture number nine, you don't give enough application, Piper. You
- 9:50focus made me on exposition and not enough on application to real life situations.
- 9:56And my response to this has probably been inadequate. In fact, Tony,
- 10:01I wonder if ten years of asked Pastor John is my way of doing penance
- 10:09for all those years without ten minutes of allocation at the end of the sermon.
- 10:13I've been catching up right. If I were to try to defend myself,
- 10:20I would say something like this, and maybe it's inadequate. I try
- 10:24to do exposition itself in such a way that even as I do it,
- 10:31it feels like application, it feels relevant to real life situations. So whether
- 10:37I've succeeded, I don't know. Number ten, you preach too long.
- 10:43Lots of things affect the length of a sermon in the local church, wearing
- 10:48out your nursery workers. Poor nursery workers down there waiting for this long winded
- 10:52preacher to get done, managing the ebb and flow of parking. Say,
- 10:56if you've got two services, you've got to get the parking lot cleared out.
- 11:00Hunger of your people, can they take it? And my response to
- 11:03this criticism of length has been I will try to keep my finger on the
- 11:09pulse of the people and all those other considerations and not expect or demand more
- 11:18of my people than they can gladly receive, as well as all those other
- 11:24factors. But in general, I have found that it is hard for me
- 11:30to do adequate, faithful exposition week in and week out, in less than
- 11:35forty five minute messages. And the folks seem to relax into that routine with
- 11:41pleasure. So what I hope Aaron hears in all of this is that we
- 11:48will all be criticized. There is a way to take all of it to
- 11:52heart in some measure and make it part of improving over a lifetime of preaching.
- 12:00Man. Yeah, I just want to encourage you. When I think
- 12:01of your preaching, I think of your smile. You somehow more than any
- 12:05preacher I've ever seen in my life. That's always from something. How does
- 12:07that fit together with angry? It doesn't know. No one smiles in the
- 12:11pulpit more than you do. Pastor John is incredible, your most underrated pulpit
- 12:16gesture. That's what I call it. Think of Pastor John. And if
- 12:18you want to hear more about Pastor John's preaching experiences and who doesn't really,
- 12:24you'll want to check out two other episodes that come to my mind APJ thirteen
- 12:28seventy four, John Piper's most bizarre moment in preaching It is really bizarre APJA
- 12:35thirteen seventy four, and also APJ fifty Does it bother you that people are
- 12:41entertained by your gestures? Did a whole episode on that find them both apj's
- 12:46thirteen seventy four and fifty at asked pastor John dot Com, well, unconditional
- 12:52election is up next? Unconditional election. Isn't unconditional election just a dry logical
- 13:00topic for eggheads? No, we all need it. Ten reasons why you
- 13:05need to know and understand unconditional election that's up next on Monday. I'm your
- 13:13host, Tony Rankie. We'll see then