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Ep 14 · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: We faded in on you coughing, which I think is wonderful.
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SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm always coughing, though.
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SPEAKER_00: I am not sick.
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SPEAKER_00: I sound like it, but I am not.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm also not crying.
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SPEAKER_01: You just said that because you just put eye drops in.
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SPEAKER_00: I just put in eye drops, and I'm about to put in more.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm allergic to everything in my state, so...
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No,
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I still have a periodic nasty cough because I was just dead
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sick for a week.
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SPEAKER_01: It was horrible.
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SPEAKER_01: We went to the beach with my wife's family.
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SPEAKER_01: It was great.
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SPEAKER_01: We were with my wife's nieces and nephews, who are very small children.
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SPEAKER_01: Fine, they're very small children.
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SPEAKER_01: And they are all in daycare all the time.
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As anyone who has had kids in daycare or been around kids in
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daycare knows,
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SPEAKER_01: daycares are Petri dishes.
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So they,
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one of them,
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one of those kids had something that like,
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it floored me.
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SPEAKER_01: It floored me really bad.
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SPEAKER_01: It floored my wife's grandmother really badly.
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SPEAKER_01: She apparently got pneumonia.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: so all last,
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SPEAKER_01: we get,
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we get back from the beach and literally the next day I just
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like hit the couch and
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SPEAKER_01: I don't get up again for like five days.
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SPEAKER_01: It was, it was, it was, it was a god awful element.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know that it was COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: I've never had COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: I am pretty sure you had COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm an expert on COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: I've had it like eight times.
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SPEAKER_01: I will say that my wife's grandmother got tested for COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: She did not have COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it depends on when you test.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to test for COVID in the beginning because it will fade away.
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SPEAKER_00: If you tested later, it wouldn't show up.
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SPEAKER_01: At this point, I don't think it really matters that much.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_01: Be it COVID, be it flu, whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: I got sick.
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SPEAKER_01: It was very unpleasant.
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I have been that sick a couple times in my life,
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but not especially recently.
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SPEAKER_01: It's always awful.
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SPEAKER_01: I just slept so much.
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SPEAKER_01: The worst thing I would be is sleeping.
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SPEAKER_01: Sleeping sick is the worst.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you hallucinate?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you hallucinate?
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SPEAKER_00: I do.
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SPEAKER_00: Not usually.
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SPEAKER_00: I fever hallucinate.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really bad.
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SPEAKER_01: I have some more vivid dreams, but that's about it.
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SPEAKER_01: No,
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SPEAKER_01: but it would be nice if when you sleep a lot when you're sick,
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SPEAKER_01: you at least,
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because everyone runs a little bit of a sleep deficit for the
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most part in the
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SPEAKER_01: modern age,
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SPEAKER_01: we all do,
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but sleeping while you're sick doesn't really close your
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natural sleep deficit.
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SPEAKER_01: Once you get better, you're just back where you started.
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And it would be nice if that would fill in some of the normal
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sleep deficit you
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SPEAKER_01: carry,
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SPEAKER_01: but it doesn't.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So, so that was, yeah, I feel bad.
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SPEAKER_00: I, yeah, I've been super sick all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually tested for COVID nonstop,
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SPEAKER_00: like during not,
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't for a long time anymore,
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SPEAKER_00: but I had sinus surgery in two,
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SPEAKER_00: in 2020.
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SPEAKER_01: Your nose job, yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I call it a nose job.
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SPEAKER_00: I have my deviated septum fix.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a rhinoplasty.
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SPEAKER_00: My nose looks the same.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a very crooked nose, but it's on my face wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: They can't fix that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But it was more like internal.
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And I got MRSA after my second sinus surgery because they had
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to do it again.
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SPEAKER_00: And at that point, I kept getting sick all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: And they were like,
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SPEAKER_00: look,
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it's actually easier to test for COVID than for an antibiotic
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needing thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't even think today.
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SPEAKER_00: That sounded so dumb.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So, I would just test for COVID.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Bacterial.
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SPEAKER_00: My science degree is in political science, so... Not real science.
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SPEAKER_00: I regularly sound like a moron.
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SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
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Political science likes to pretend like it's a real science,
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but it's not.
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SPEAKER_01: Social sciences, not sciences.
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SPEAKER_00: It's also not all that valuable in life.
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SPEAKER_01: It really isn't.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a...
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SPEAKER_01: It's a philosophy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's valuable in philosophical ways.
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SPEAKER_01: That's about it.
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SPEAKER_01: I have never been tested for COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: My poor oldest daughter got tested all through.
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SPEAKER_01: She got tested so many times it felt bad.
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SPEAKER_01: Was it for school?
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Yeah,
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because she kept getting colds,
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and we'd have to take her to get tested for COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: Our schools opened relatively early,
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SPEAKER_01: but they were very much like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: if you have any symptoms,
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SPEAKER_01: you have to get tested before we'll let you back in.
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SPEAKER_01: So she got tested a bunch, and I felt bad about that.
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SPEAKER_01: To my knowledge, no one in my house has ever gotten COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe this was COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but it was very unpleasant.
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SPEAKER_01: I just was so exhausted.
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SPEAKER_00: I had a very weird...
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mystery illness in like basically all of the fall of 2020 or
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late fall of 2019 um
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my husband and i i was working with a cruise company at the
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time and they were
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launching a new ship in venice and we went there and i was on
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this like private
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SPEAKER_00: cruise that was just for media and
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It was a lot of Chinese state media was there like covering the
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cruise because
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SPEAKER_00: they...
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SPEAKER_00: Princess works in China a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like deathly ill for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: And I went to the ship doctor.
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I saw doctors like on board because we were on the ship for
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like three weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: I just kept getting sicker and sicker.
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SPEAKER_00: No one could figure it out.
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SPEAKER_00: Antibiotics weren't working.
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SPEAKER_00: Steroids weren't working.
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SPEAKER_00: No one could determine, like, why I was so sick for so long.
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SPEAKER_00: And very shortly after that is when we started hearing rumors of this.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, I wonder.
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SPEAKER_00: And my antibody test came up positive the first time they were,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: checking in the very beginning.
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SPEAKER_01: You were probably a patient zero for COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: Brought it back to America with you, no doubt.
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SPEAKER_01: Good job.
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SPEAKER_01: Well done.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I spread it all over if I did have COVID because we left Barcelona.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going all around Barcelona.
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SPEAKER_00: And then we flew to Florida to pick up my kids.
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SPEAKER_00: My parents lived there at the time.
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SPEAKER_00: And we picked up my kids in Florida, flew back to Colorado.
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SPEAKER_00: The next day, I was on contract to visit California.
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And we did a taco tour through all of Southern California,
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my husband and I.
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So we were in California for like five days,
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spread,
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whatever,
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all over there.
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SPEAKER_00: Then we flew home.
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SPEAKER_00: He stayed with the kids.
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I flew to Germany and my friend and I rented a car,
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drove all over Germany,
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drove to Amsterdam.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, we were in Paris too.
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SPEAKER_00: Then my kids and my husband flew back to meet me in Germany.
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We flew to London to go to the Harry Potter thing and then back
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to Germany.
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SPEAKER_00: And by then everyone stopped being sick, but it was crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm not like a travel sick person.
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SPEAKER_00: This was all just lingering stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: If we had fevers and things, we stayed.
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SPEAKER_01: This is why you should always stay home.
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SPEAKER_01: Never leave the house.
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SPEAKER_01: This is right here.
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SPEAKER_01: Can't pick up random illnesses in the Mediterranean on ships.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't travel like that anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: I kind of miss it.
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SPEAKER_00: But looking back at that, I was like, okay, that was a little psycho.
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SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of traveling.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of traveling.
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Traveling is something,
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like anything else,
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everything is good in moderation.
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SPEAKER_01: If you do that much of it, I'll load it in at once.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, at the same time, that's for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, and a lot of it was work.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for you, it's a job.
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SPEAKER_00: It wasn't relaxing or fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed traveling.
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SPEAKER_01: I think having to travel that much.
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SPEAKER_01: Honestly, after about a week away from home, I start missing home.
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SPEAKER_01: I miss my stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that time I was fine.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't miss home.
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SPEAKER_00: I just was tired of working nonstop.
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SPEAKER_00: Because especially when you do press tours, it is...
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SPEAKER_00: like nonstop.
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SPEAKER_00: When I was on the cruise,
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SPEAKER_00: we had an itinerary and it was like,
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SPEAKER_00: you're doing this and this and this.
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And I had to do photo shoots of food and do all kinds of random
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stuff that it's
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SPEAKER_00: just really draining.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I legit just miss my, I start missing my house.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you know, I miss my, I start missing my stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Oh,
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SPEAKER_01: I got that nice big TV.
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SPEAKER_01: I could be watching it.
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SPEAKER_01: That would be great.
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SPEAKER_01: Like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: I've had this interesting thing,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: interesting,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: whatever,
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SPEAKER_01: tourist thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you know, I've seen a lot of tourist things.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I haven't seen in a while?
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SPEAKER_01: My big old TV at home.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm a homebody.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a bit of a hermit.
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I am not,
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I am a social butterfly,
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but I,
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I really like,
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I need time by myself and to be alone.
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SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times when I was traveling,
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SPEAKER_00: it was like with friends that I worked with or with family things.
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And I don't get enough alone time when I'm traveling and that I
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get really grumpy.
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On that trip,
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actually,
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my best friend and I were joking about something.
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We kept playing this one song over and over,
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and it's like a dumb kid song.
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SPEAKER_00: And I turned to her in the car at one point,
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SPEAKER_00: and I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to drive us off a cliff if you play it again.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I need absolute silence for the next 20 minutes until we park.
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SPEAKER_00: I want you to pretend I don't exist.
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SPEAKER_00: And she was like, no, I get it.
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SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, she knows me, and she wasn't offended.
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SPEAKER_00: But I was like, can we just pretend that we're by ourselves right now?
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SPEAKER_01: I will give you on listening to the same song thing.
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SPEAKER_01: I always have to have music playing or something in the background.
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SPEAKER_00: No, but we were having so much fun with this song.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you... Did you used to watch The Soup?
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SPEAKER_01: With Joel McHale?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd watch clips of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you remember The Spaghetti Cat?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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I actually started watching The Soup fairly...
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I think my wife and I discovered it.
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SPEAKER_01: It was fairly late in this run.
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It got cancelled not too long after we...
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Maybe I started watching it and got it cancelled.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_00: It was the best show ever.
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SPEAKER_00: And there was this whole thing about a cat eating spaghetti.
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And then this children's music guy did a song with them about
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the cat eating spaghetti.
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SPEAKER_00: It's called Spaghetti Cat.
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SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: We like have a whole routine too.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really dumb.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: we're grown adult women listening to children's music,
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SPEAKER_00: but little,
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SPEAKER_01: little friend bits are just tend to be dumb from the outside.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we still listen to it all the time.
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Like we'll text each other pictures in our car being like,
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look at what I'm listening to.
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SPEAKER_00: But at that moment I was like, I just need you to not exist.
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Cause we had been in a car like driving all over Germany to
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Christmas markets for a week.
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SPEAKER_00: And I needed, I needed no one else in the world to exist.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I can say that.
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SPEAKER_01: I definitely like having a place to retreat to.
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SPEAKER_01: That's one of the reasons.
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SPEAKER_01: When I go places, we'll go places and we will be off.
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If we go somewhere and we have friends that are nearby we're
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going to hang out
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SPEAKER_01: with,
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SPEAKER_01: the friends will often be like,
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SPEAKER_01: hey,
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SPEAKER_01: you can come stay with us.
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SPEAKER_01: My wife tends to be inclined to do that.
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SPEAKER_01: I hate doing that.
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SPEAKER_01: I never stay with people.
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SPEAKER_01: But for me, I want to have a place that I can retreat to.
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SPEAKER_01: I enjoy hanging out with people.
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SPEAKER_01: I find the performative aspect of talking and socializing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's draining.
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SPEAKER_01: It's physically tiring to me after a while.
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I need somewhere to go and just kind of,
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like a robot,
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just find a corner and shut down in.
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SPEAKER_00: I have to,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: have a space that I can turn on really trashy reality TV and just,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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zen out for a minute and not have anyone talk to me and just
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leave me alone.
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And it's harder to do that if you're staying at another
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person's house because it's
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: I feel bad just being like,
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SPEAKER_00: all right,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm –
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for giving me a place to stay.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm leaving.
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SPEAKER_01: I was going to sit in my room in the dark for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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I actually,
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I actually love having guests because,
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well,
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I hate having them in my house.
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SPEAKER_00: Cause the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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I don't want someone to like hear me getting up in the middle
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of the night or like,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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But I love that I have a townhouse that I use as my office
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because we don't own,
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SPEAKER_00: we live for free on the farm with my in-laws.
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SPEAKER_00: So I kind of just always have friends and guests stay there.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's great because I'm like, you get your own space.
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SPEAKER_00: You have your own like nice little hotel room.
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SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't have an entire separate house, so I don't have that going for me.
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SPEAKER_00: That sounds crazy bougie,
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SPEAKER_00: and it's not,
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SPEAKER_00: because we live at the farm with my in-laws and help with them.
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SPEAKER_00: But, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's helpful to have an entirely different space to leave people in.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd imagine it would be, yes.
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SPEAKER_01: It's never been something I had access to.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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I mean,
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not a lot of people are like willingly living with their
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in-laws.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's a very odd niche situation.
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SPEAKER_01: No, but circling back, I enjoy traveling.
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SPEAKER_01: We talk a lot about traveling, but I just start missing my house.
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SPEAKER_01: I start missing my stuff.
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I start thinking about how I'm going to need to mow the lawn
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when I get home,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm like,
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I'm ever looking forward to getting back because that lawn
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ain't mowing itself.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to get longer.
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SPEAKER_01: It's going to be annoying.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't.
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That's the great thing about having a teen son is I don't have
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to worry about that.
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SPEAKER_00: That's his problem, not mine.
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My daughters mowed the lawn for the first time because I was
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sick this past week.
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I went and I was just like out there while they mowed the lawn
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so I could oversee
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SPEAKER_01: it and let them know how to do it.
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SPEAKER_01: So they were really thrilled because they...
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SPEAKER_01: They didn't mow the lawn before,
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so they really thrilled the idea of mowing the lawn and wanted
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to mow the lawn.
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SPEAKER_01: They've been asking me if they could mow the lawn for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: So they mowed the lawn.
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SPEAKER_01: They did it okay.
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SPEAKER_01: For a first job, for a first time, they did a fine job.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: so that was,
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this was the first time my lawn has been mowed that either I
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didn't do it or I
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didn't pay some random landscaper guy I saw on the street
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mowing someone else's
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SPEAKER_01: lawn to do it in a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: I just make my son.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually like mowing the lawn, but that's a good thing for him to do.
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SPEAKER_00: It's an easy enough thing for him to do, so I have him do it.
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My daughter would,
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but my daughter's super allergic to grass,
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like mega allergic to grass.
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SPEAKER_00: We're getting her the injections,
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SPEAKER_00: the immunotherapy injections,
15:18
SPEAKER_00: and trying to cut the grass allergy,
15:20
SPEAKER_00: she would die.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: How do you operate being allergic to grass?
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Grass is literally everywhere, definitionally.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:27
She gets,
15:29
anytime she's outside,
15:30
like in the,
15:31
well,
15:32
number one,
15:32
we live in Colorado.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very brown.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Not this year.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: It's really, we've had tons of rain and it's actually green for once.
15:38
So we do have grass in our yard,
15:40
but usually it's so like burned through summer.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: She just,
15:45
SPEAKER_00: she can go outside and stuff,
15:46
SPEAKER_00: but if she sits down in grass,
15:48
SPEAKER_00: she's just covered in huge welts and hives and
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's horrible.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that was a thing.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: It's really sad.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: She's super allergic to almost every type of grass.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: And she's allergic to like four types of trees, cats.
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mildly to dogs and horses and we live out in the country
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there's tons of cats
16:10
roaming all over because all of our neighbors have cats our
16:13
neighbors all have
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horses we have tons and tons of grass in our pastures which
16:19
this year is actually
16:20
alive so built for living in the desert she really is but not
16:27
with a horse carry
16:27
SPEAKER_00: around an epipen and yeah
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Oh, is this something you like grow out?
16:33
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you grow out of these allergies, but.
16:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's why we're doing the shots.
16:37
SPEAKER_00: So they take a little bit of it.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: They take grass and inject her with small amounts of grass.
16:42
SPEAKER_00: And it it basically just your builds immunity.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know you could be allergic to grass.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: That would be quite the cross to bear.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: She's 13.
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She willingly chose the shots because they also have drops that
17:00
you can take every day.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, I'm not going to remember that.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: She's like, the shot's not that big a deal.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: And she just goes in.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: My husband can't even go in the room with her.
17:09
SPEAKER_00: He stands in the hallway because just seeing a needle.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh, he freaks out.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what?
17:15
SPEAKER_00: They're the subdermal needles.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: They're like the really small diabetes needles.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: They're nothing.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: He cannot handle it.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: Man up.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Man up, Luke.
17:27
SPEAKER_00: I know.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Come on, Luke.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: He's not going to listen to this so I can say that.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: Man up.
17:31
No,
17:32
you definitely can because he will download it and play it,
17:35
but he will not listen to it.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
17:38
Someday he's going to listen to it and I'm going to say that
17:41
and I'm going to laugh.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: So how have you been?
17:45
SPEAKER_01: I've been sick.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: How have you been?
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I've been here.
17:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: Just doing your thing?
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Just doing my thing.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Fighting with my...
17:55
industry you got such a weird industry this is a wild time to
18:02
work in a completely
18:04
non-political industry because everyone is trying to force us
18:07
to be political and
18:09
to be a flavor of political that i'm very far from so it's it's
18:16
weird we're back in
18:17
SPEAKER_00: the poster black square days
18:19
SPEAKER_00: except now it's lectures on how we're all on stolen land.
18:25
I somewhat wonder if it's indicative of the politics of the
18:28
readership and user
18:29
SPEAKER_01: base,
18:29
SPEAKER_01: or if it's indicative of the politics of
18:32
SPEAKER_01: the people who run the various organizations.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: It's the people who run various organizations.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: Also,
18:38
SPEAKER_00: a lot of the people that I work with or are directly,
18:43
SPEAKER_00: like,
18:43
SPEAKER_00: are my associates are friggin' millionaire white women who live in gated
18:48
SPEAKER_00: communities and don't actually know anything about the world.
18:53
Statistically speaking,
18:54
you look at the people who are most supportive of a lot of the
18:57
more
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SPEAKER_01: shall we say outlandish policies of the far left.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: And it is upper,
19:05
SPEAKER_01: upper middle class and wealthy college educated white women,
19:08
SPEAKER_01: which is pretty much,
19:10
SPEAKER_01: pretty much your sphere.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: But that's not the readership.
19:15
My readership is actually,
19:17
I would say skews a lot more conservative,
19:20
but yeah,
19:21
But as far as the industry goes,
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it definitely is not a conservative industry.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: And using a lot of different social media,
19:30
SPEAKER_00: like I have larger Facebook and Instagram accounts,
19:34
although I barely use them because I'm deathly afraid of saying
19:37
the wrong thing and
19:39
SPEAKER_00: like losing everything.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: So it just,
19:43
but they tend to be a lot less conservative and even accepting
19:48
of conservative
19:49
SPEAKER_00: ideals.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_01: I know you said in the past that you wish that someone would start a
19:55
SPEAKER_01: conservative-leaning ad network kind of thing that was to agglomerate.
20:01
SPEAKER_00: Not even an ad network, because I love the ad network that I'm on.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: They're pretty chill about everything.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they are, they do not care.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: They know my politics and they're like, that's great.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Don't care.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Which I could not love them more.
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Um,
20:16
actually a couple of them subscribed to this and I know are
20:19
kind of liberal.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: So, Hey, hello, hello folks.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: No, they're great.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: I love them.
20:23
SPEAKER_00: They're very supportive, very nice.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: Um,
20:27
SPEAKER_00: It's the like sponsorship networks.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: So if you go to a brand,
20:32
SPEAKER_00: like when you see brands doing influencer deals,
20:35
SPEAKER_00: it's never going to go to anyone conservative.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: And it's also not going to,
20:38
they're not going to use brand resources to promote companies
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that they feel
20:43
SPEAKER_00: doesn't align with their principles.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: And a majority of them are
20:52
SPEAKER_00: heavily used by... I'm trying to say this in such a diplomatic way.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to have to spit it out.
21:01
A lot get a lot of campaign money from liberal groups to push
21:08
very specific
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SPEAKER_00: messages,
21:10
SPEAKER_00: to push a lot of what you're seeing right now on Instagram.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: A lot of that's paid and people don't realize it.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's getting it.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: Wait, you just muted.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Both sides,
21:27
SPEAKER_01: to one degree or another,
21:28
SPEAKER_01: I think,
21:30
SPEAKER_01: understand the,
21:31
SPEAKER_01: what's the,
21:32
SPEAKER_01: what was it,
21:33
SPEAKER_01: Andrew Breitbart used to say,
21:35
SPEAKER_01: the political is downstream of the cultures or whatever.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: But the Democrats,
21:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say Democrats or Republicans,
21:45
SPEAKER_01: because this is,
21:45
SPEAKER_01: I think that is an imprecise terminology.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's more like liberal, conservative.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Progressive versus conservative.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:52
um the progressives more so for the past while have understood
21:58
that by throwing
22:00
money at the culture you could seriously like shape the
22:03
landscape the political um
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conservatives,
22:09
as they're now formulated,
22:11
are catching up with that,
22:12
I think,
22:12
just to a degree.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: But not in areas like...
22:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry to tell you this,
22:19
I'm pretty sure that they've mostly just given up on
22:22
college-educated white women.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's the doodosphere now.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: The right is the purview of men.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: It is.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: I, this is one of my biggest problems with the right.
22:38
There are so many women who don't fall into that and we lose
22:43
more and more every
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SPEAKER_00: day because we refuse to talk to them.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: We just say, oh, they're liberal, and push them off.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: We don't have any outreach to women.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: It's a maximization of efforts, though, is the issue.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: I understand that,
22:59
SPEAKER_00: but if we can reach out to other groups,
23:01
SPEAKER_00: we should reach out to women,
23:02
because who do you think is teaching all the kids that are
23:05
going to turn into
23:06
SPEAKER_00: voters?
23:07
SPEAKER_01: Well,
23:07
SPEAKER_01: I think the thought process also is that once women,
23:13
SPEAKER_01: once these college-educated white women,
23:16
SPEAKER_01: once they get married,
23:19
SPEAKER_01: their politics tends to, you know, the man.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to say that it's the man.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: I'll say it.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: They expect women to take on their husband's political views.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: To a degree.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: That's not the case anymore for a lot of women,
23:37
SPEAKER_00: especially because so many more are college educated now.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: So many women will have really,
23:45
really strong political beliefs that are very independent of
23:49
their husband.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: And that's great.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: My husband and I are very politically aligned.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: That's because we met at an RNC field school.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: It was kind of a given that we had similar politics.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: but we disagree on so many things and I could care less.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And so many people are starting to be like that,
24:09
SPEAKER_00: that we can't just take the,
24:11
SPEAKER_00: oh,
24:11
SPEAKER_00: you got married.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: You're taking your husband's views for granted.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: And now it's more,
24:17
you got married and you're a dual income household and you see
24:21
how much you pay in
24:21
taxes and how little you can give to your family and things
24:25
like that kind of
24:27
SPEAKER_00: overtake.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: And we should be reaching out to more women like that.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's incredibly difficult, like I said.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: It's resource allocation.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: There's only so much you can do.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: If you're going to be spending money to reach people,
24:43
it is better to spend the money to reach the young men who are
24:49
more likely to be
24:50
interested in your message and to follow through than to reach
24:55
the much fewer women
24:56
SPEAKER_01: in the group that you'd be sending information to,
25:00
SPEAKER_01: I guess.
25:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
25:03
SPEAKER_00: I will say the people that we pick,
25:06
SPEAKER_00: I agree with that,
25:08
but I think we could do a better job at some of the picking of
25:12
the men that we give
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SPEAKER_00: money and influence to on this side,
25:17
because there's a difference between talking to women and
25:21
including them in the
25:22
SPEAKER_00: conversation and talking down to them and
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Let's face it,
25:26
SPEAKER_00: a lot of the Republican Party,
25:28
SPEAKER_00: and I'll say Republican,
25:29
SPEAKER_00: not conservative there,
25:30
a lot of the Republican Party really vilifies women and talks
25:35
down to women.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, there are a lot of us that you don't need to piss off.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: This is dumb.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: Well,
25:41
SPEAKER_01: you know,
25:43
SPEAKER_01: there's elements within the...
25:46
SPEAKER_00: It happens on the other side,
25:47
SPEAKER_00: too,
25:47
SPEAKER_00: but this is my side that...
25:50
SPEAKER_01: There's elements within the,
25:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to say mainstream,
25:53
but close enough to the mainstream to be uncomfortable part of
25:56
the Republican Party
25:57
SPEAKER_01: that will play nice with Andrew Tate and his messaging.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: So,
26:05
SPEAKER_01: yeah,
26:05
SPEAKER_01: that's what is going to obviously turn women off in general,
26:09
SPEAKER_01: as it should turn off everyone because Andrew Tate's horrible.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Andrew Tate is horrible.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't even thinking of Andrew Tate,
26:16
SPEAKER_00: so that was a perfect example of it,
26:18
SPEAKER_00: but even less controversial people say some horrible,
26:25
SPEAKER_00: horrible things about women.
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I'm like,
26:27
look,
26:28
I can say,
26:29
because I am a college-educated white woman,
26:32
like
26:33
SPEAKER_00: I can make fun of some of the stuff that we do, but I don't know.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: We don't have to push so many away.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: We can say,
26:39
SPEAKER_00: hey,
26:40
SPEAKER_00: maybe you're not all that represented in our party right now,
26:44
but that doesn't mean we don't want to talk to you and we don't
26:46
want your vote.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: I've never been asked for my vote by...
26:52
a politician and I have worked for plenty and no plenty and
26:57
they'll ask my husband
26:59
he will be contacted asking for a vote but never me like I used
27:04
to babysit your kid
27:05
you can ask me to vote for you what do you mean I asked to vote
27:10
I get text messages
27:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
27:13
SPEAKER_00: but if you look at the text messages that are sent to women,
27:17
SPEAKER_00: they're very different than men.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: I've looked at the ones my wife gets.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: They're often the same ones I get.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: She hates them, and she would like to be asked to vote less.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: I have been directly asked to vote for a politician once in my life.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: It was in New Jersey.
27:37
It was the then Republican representative for my district
27:41
showed up at my door one
27:43
SPEAKER_01: day and said hi.
27:45
Honestly,
27:46
this was pretty cool because he'd been the representative
27:49
forever.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: Showed up at my door, said hi.
27:51
I've got up for re-election,
27:55
just walk in the neighborhood,
27:56
ask people if I can have your vote.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
27:59
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: came to my house?
28:00
SPEAKER_01: Sure, why not?
28:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't know a lot about you.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: He seemed like a solid guy.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: I looked him up later.
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SPEAKER_01: His family had been in the area since the 17th century.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: So, you know.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: I was living in North Jersey and it was Rodney Freiling Heisel.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: His family were some of the original Dutch...
28:23
SPEAKER_00: say that name five times fast.
28:26
His family was some of the original Dutch settlers who showed
28:29
up in New York and New Jersey.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: They'd been in local politics for centuries.
28:38
SPEAKER_01: You say that nobody asks you for your vote.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Nobody asks most people for their vote.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be honest.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: You're asking a lot
28:45
i'm someone who has written campaign ads like the way they do
28:52
them now is so crazy
28:53
we we don't live in uh like a whistle stop tour uh world
28:58
anymore okay but i'm also
28:59
saying like from my personal experience knowing people and
29:04
physically talking to
29:05
SPEAKER_00: them and not even being able to be like
29:08
SPEAKER_00: oh, hey, you're voting for me, right?
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's probably implied.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: If you know them, that would be awkward.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: It is not implied.
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SPEAKER_00: How do they vote for you just because I know you?
29:17
Honestly,
29:18
if I'm a politician,
29:20
and I got this buddy,
29:21
and I got this buddy...
29:23
I'm not going to want to ask them if they're going to vote for
29:25
me because I'm
29:25
SPEAKER_01: afraid they're going to say no and it would hurt my feelings.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: I just feel like, you know, I don't want to be involved in this.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: This is why you are not a politician.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: This is why I am not a politician.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: I took every time I worked on a campaign and lost so,
29:39
SPEAKER_00: so personally and just was so absolutely depressed.
29:44
I remember like,
29:45
oh,
29:45
my poor husband has done so many more campaigns than I have.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: And it's the lowest of the low.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's not even you.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, they hate me.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: They hate my person.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: This is so awful.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: It's the worst rejection ever.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: I would like to correct.
30:01
The reason I'm not a politician is because I have zero ambition
30:05
and have no
30:06
SPEAKER_01: interest in being a politician.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: I want to get that on the record.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm not a politician because I'm very thin-skinned,
30:15
SPEAKER_00: and I could not handle all of the stuff that comes at people.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Also,
30:21
SPEAKER_01: because you live in Colorado,
30:22
SPEAKER_01: and getting elected as a Republican in Colorado would be,
30:26
SPEAKER_01: God knows what you'd have to do.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Is it possible?
30:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
30:29
SPEAKER_00: Not where I live is fine.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, you probably have a representative who's been there forever.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: It's well-liked.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: No, because we have term limits at the state level.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: I live in the bluest congressional district,
30:47
SPEAKER_00: but I live in the congressional district with Boulder,
30:52
SPEAKER_00: so that's never going to change.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: But I live in a town that's represented by all Republicans.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: All right.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: I kind of doxed myself there, but...
31:03
SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: It's a big error.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: You can also cut it out if you want.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: No, it's fine.
31:08
No,
31:11
I think...
31:13
I mean,
31:14
none of what we've said so far is all that great or fantastic.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: No, we're just having a fun conversation.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: I was sick.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: We didn't plan for this.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: I was sick.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: I was barely moving.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I have been very, very busy working on another podcast.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: I know, a more important one.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: It's not more important.
31:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm a side project.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: I almost said something really bad there.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it is not more important.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: It's just different.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: Different's good.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: I have never said that it's more important.
31:52
I'm just saying my brain is all over the place because I've
31:55
been stuck in graphic design land.
31:58
But I have said it's more important because I know you feel
32:00
slightly weird and
32:01
SPEAKER_01: guilty about the fact that you're doing another podcast.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: I know.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to play that up.
32:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, you should because it's funnier for me if you do.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: All right.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't at all.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, why would I feel guilty about that?
32:17
SPEAKER_00: I get to talk more.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: You know that I talk nonstop.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: You're a chatter.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: I feel guilty about that.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: I can be.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: I used to be more.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: My wife complains about that I'm not as chatty.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: I was saying earlier, I'm a bit of a hermit.
32:36
I used to be very into going out and going to parties and going
32:39
to hang around
32:39
SPEAKER_01: people constantly.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: I always had to be around people.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: I always liked being around people.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: And then I just stopped one day.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to do it anymore.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: My wife complains about it sometimes.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: I used to be this...
32:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I just got tired of it.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to do it anymore.
32:54
Because again,
32:55
it's draining,
32:56
and I realize I'm just draining my life essence.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: I love going out.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: We love going to concerts and going to parties with friends,
33:05
SPEAKER_00: and we love having people over,
33:06
SPEAKER_00: but I am so freaking lazy now that I'm like,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: ugh,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to have to put on pants.
33:13
SPEAKER_01: Also, we don't know that many people here.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: You live in a place that you haven't lived all that long.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: And I don't like meeting new people.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: I like meeting new people.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: You say that, but you talk to strangers online all day, every day.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm fine with superficially meeting new people,
33:39
SPEAKER_01: but actually meeting new people and trying to...
33:43
SPEAKER_01: Again,
33:43
SPEAKER_01: it's draining.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: It's exhausting.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: Who needs that?
33:47
SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: I got my wife.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: I got my kids.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
33:52
You have your random friends that...
33:55
My random agglomeration of people I've met on the internet.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fine.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: There's you,
34:00
SPEAKER_01: there's Riker,
34:01
SPEAKER_01: there's Kimberly,
34:02
SPEAKER_01: there's just random folks who I get along well with.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Great.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: I see my husband finds that all very weird because he I don't know.
34:19
He's very,
34:20
very hermity and someone has to like force their way in to be
34:24
friends with him.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: And then once he is, he's very chatty and like really fun.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: But otherwise, he seems really like shy and quiet and and we're close.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: I used to find it weird.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: I remember I remember like when I first started using Twitter.
34:39
um seeing people like talking about referencing meeting up with
34:41
people they met on
34:42
twitter and i was like and i was like who does that why would
34:46
you do that why would
34:47
you like why would you go meet up with some random person on
34:49
the internet and now i
34:50
have actually met up with random people from the internet it's
34:52
nice so i used to
34:54
think it was really weird but then having a blog and being in a
34:57
industry that like
34:58
SPEAKER_00: came out of nothing i mean when i i started my blog in 2010
35:04
SPEAKER_00: So you had to network with a lot of people to really get things going.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: And that's how we got things like ad networks to be created for us.
35:14
So I started meeting up with friends from online way back in
35:19
the very beginning.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: And he definitely thought it was weird then.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: And now he's like, okay, whatever.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: You have your like random computer friends.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
35:27
SPEAKER_01: well,
35:27
SPEAKER_01: you know,
35:28
SPEAKER_01: now it's more of a business for you,
35:29
SPEAKER_01: like a fully fledged business for you.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but not on Twitter.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: On Twitter, I'm just an idiot and like to have fun with Twitter.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: Twitter is the best of the social networks.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: I always say this.
35:40
SPEAKER_01: Twitter is the best of the social networks.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people like to hate on Twitter,
35:44
but I have figured out the demarcation is that Instagram is
35:49
very picture-centric,
35:51
SPEAKER_01: and it's like for people just to show that.
35:55
Was this a thing to you where I said that Instagram- You always
35:59
say it's to make
35:59
SPEAKER_00: your life look better.
36:01
yeah no the um instagram is it's it's like the old you know
36:07
you'd buttonhole people
36:08
to show them your vacation slideshows at parties that that's
36:12
instagram it's for is
36:13
it i feel very personally attacked by that as you should feel
36:18
that you can't like
36:19
that's literally my job it was good though it was good i liked
36:23
that um glad you did
36:26
SPEAKER_01: That's Instagram, and then TikTok is for the Zoomers.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: It's video-based, obviously.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Well,
36:34
SPEAKER_00: now Instagram has become TikTok because of TikTok's success,
36:38
SPEAKER_00: which is why I don't really use Instagram all that much anymore.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I am a photo person.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: I love photography.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: That is my strength.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: That is my... I mean, I talk nonstop, but...
36:51
If you've been listening to this,
36:52
you know I sound like an idiot half the time when I talk.
36:55
I love to take pictures,
36:56
and that's kind of my favorite medium to express myself
37:01
through.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: And now you're just lost forever on Instagram with pictures.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of fun.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've tried to – I have an Instagram account.
37:11
SPEAKER_01: I've tried to use it.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand it.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand the appeal of it.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:19
But I like Twitter is with X,
37:22
but I'll never be comfortable calling an X.
37:24
No,
37:25
it's Twitter.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: It's always Twitter.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: It is text based.
37:30
And that is like,
37:31
you know,
37:32
it rewards being able to quickly rip off a witty sentence.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: And that's my sweet spot.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: That's my wheelhouse.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: It's what it do.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm too dumb to be as quick as everyone else on Twitter.
37:46
I want to pretend that I'm smart,
37:48
but I can't think of anything for too long.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: Everyone's so fast.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: It's not about being dumb.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: It's about how your brain works and how reactive it is, I think.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Some people just, like, it takes you a second to get up to speed.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: I have always been a very smart.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: You didn't make that sound less dumb.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, no.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to clarify.
38:10
I have always...
38:11
I think because I'm pretty...
38:16
I've got some level of ADHD.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: And as part of this, I'm a somewhat synesthetic thinker.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: I like...
38:24
I see something and it immediately starts sparking random
38:27
connections to other
38:28
SPEAKER_01: things that it vaguely reminds me of.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: And my brain very quickly will like fuse together,
38:35
SPEAKER_01: fuse these all things together to make a comparison.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: So that, which is pretty much, that's what it's all about.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: So it's not a dumb thing.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: It's just how your brain operates.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: If you were an ordered thinker or if you are a like,
38:50
SPEAKER_01: you know,
38:50
SPEAKER_01: kind of blasted to the wall thinker,
38:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm very much a blasted to the wall thinker.
38:54
I think that I'm a very blasted at the wall thinker because if
38:58
I'm an order
38:58
SPEAKER_00: thinker,
38:59
SPEAKER_00: it's broken.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: But in person, I'm fine with it and so much better.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: But there's something about like even talking right now,
39:08
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'm not as quick-witted as I normally am.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: Something about being online, it's like you clam up.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm great on TV, but even right now, I'm like, what am I saying?
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:23
I have always been very comfortable with the written word,
39:26
which is why I majored in English.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: So... English was my other major.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Sadly.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: Not the best plan, but you know.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: I majored in what I loved, which is always a mistake.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, no.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: So Twitter to me is the best of the platforms because it rewards...
39:51
SPEAKER_01: intelligent, rapid thought.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: It is basically the Plato, the Academy, the Socrates-Plato's thing.
40:04
It's the Algonquin round table of the modern world that rewards
40:11
people who are able
40:13
to quickly join into the conversation and come up with a witty
40:16
bun mode to top off
40:20
SPEAKER_00: You and my husband are never allowed to hang out.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: You can't have that much cool in one room.
40:25
SPEAKER_01: You can't have that much just complete intellectual cool.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: If the cool word is what we're going for, then sure.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: I'll let you think that that's what I meant.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: I will just, yeah, no, can't.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: I have a list of people my daughter's never allowed to meet,
40:45
SPEAKER_00: and I feel like you and Luke are never going to be allowed to be friends.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to meet Luke.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: I was going to put that out.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: One of these days I'll get up to Colorado.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: One of these days you'll actually show up where I live, I'm sure.
40:59
I have a lot of friends that live where you live,
41:02
and I have to go visit some of them.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: Pretty soon.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: However, I am lazy, so who knows if that'll happen.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: I have a guest house here, so there you go.
41:14
You don't even have to hang out with Luke and I.
41:17
But I want to hang out with Luke.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Luke and I are going to be best friends.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: No, you guys will.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: We'll sit and discuss weighty tomes.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: That or you won't like each other at all.
41:26
SPEAKER_01: That's how it goes.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: That's literally how it goes.
41:30
People like that is either they hate each other or they like
41:32
each other or they love each other.
41:33
You guys are super similar and it will either be like your best
41:37
friends or you'll
41:38
SPEAKER_00: be like,
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh,
41:38
SPEAKER_00: that guy's weird.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: Probably true.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: That's probably true.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: I can be, I've been told I can be a bit much.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: I am very much... Luke is not much at all.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: You're like, are you alive?
41:53
SPEAKER_00: Do you like talking to me?
41:54
SPEAKER_00: With me, he's fine.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: But until he really knows someone, he's a little reserved.
42:00
But I like to say that I'm like Lenny with friends because I'm
42:04
always like,
42:04
SPEAKER_00: oh,
42:04
SPEAKER_00: my little friend.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: And I kind of smother friends.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm just a lot.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: You're the giant mentally handicapped man from a place of men.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I've ever heard... My friend's like mice.
42:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I've ever heard anyone compare themselves to Lenny.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: I've heard people compare him to Lenny,
42:29
SPEAKER_01: but it was normally not the person comparing themselves to him.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but come on, it tracks.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: It's pretty good, though.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm one of those people who's like, oh my gosh, your friend.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to talk to you all the time.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Flipping into everybody's DMs.
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Really?
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Really?
42:46
SPEAKER_01: It's your thing.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: That's how you get to know people.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: In fairness, I had to with you because you have an anonymous account.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing I hate more.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: And I say this all the time.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing I hate more than anonymous accounts.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: And I was interacting with you a lot.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, who the hell is this person that I'm talking to?
43:05
SPEAKER_00: It just really bothered me.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: I have to know who I'm talking to.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't really care who I'm talking to.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: A person is who they present themselves as.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: Now they interact with others.
43:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't need to know your details.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: As long as you're interacting with others well, cool.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: I actually like people,
43:29
SPEAKER_00: and I like to hear their stories,
43:30
SPEAKER_00: and I like to know what other people are like,
43:34
SPEAKER_00: so...
43:36
SPEAKER_01: That's a way to operate, I guess.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: I like friends.
43:43
I like it when people go out of their way to make friends with
43:47
me because I'm not
43:47
SPEAKER_01: good at going out of my way to make friends with people.
43:52
There are large numbers of friendships that I've functionally
43:55
let last because I do
43:58
SPEAKER_01: not go out of my way to,
44:00
SPEAKER_01: even close friends,
44:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't go out of my way to keep in contact with people.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: And it's not because I don't want to keep in contact with people.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: My kind of default assumption is
44:09
SPEAKER_01: Well,
44:10
SPEAKER_01: my default assumption is if they're a busy person,
44:13
SPEAKER_01: if they want to talk to me,
44:14
SPEAKER_01: they'll let me know.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: And then I don't talk to them for like five years.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: That's Luke with his best friend.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: Although their text thread is actually hopping right now.
44:24
But usually if any of Luke's really good friends need to get a
44:28
hold of him or just
44:29
SPEAKER_00: want to talk about something or invite us to something,
44:32
SPEAKER_00: they all call me.
44:34
SPEAKER_00: His guy friends will call me way before they'll call him.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, and that's, I think guys tend to be more like that in general.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, I don't, you do DM people on Twitter together.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: I never.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: You make it sound like I'm out talking to, like, everyone on Earth.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's a bad thing.
44:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying, hey, dude.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying, like, 15 people total.
45:00
SPEAKER_01: I do not direct message people.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: First, just because I'm like, I don't know you.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: But if people direct message me, I'm always happy to chat.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: This is how I am with pretty much everything.
45:14
SPEAKER_01: I just assume that everyone else is probably busy.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: Everyone else probably has other things.
45:17
Everyone else probably doesn't want to talk to me,
45:19
so I'm not going to bother.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: So I appreciate it when people make the effort to get to know me,
45:25
SPEAKER_01: because I'm going to be honest,
45:27
I'm not going to make the effort to get to know you unless you
45:29
make the first step,
45:30
SPEAKER_01: because I'm going to assume you don't care.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: That's just how it goes.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
45:36
It is,
45:36
I will say,
45:37
a lot easier being a woman because it's less...
45:41
I don't know.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: I feel like we make friends so much easier.
45:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think as a guy, you...
45:48
A guy is more likely to be worried about coming off as creepy
45:52
or aggressive in some way.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, totally.
45:54
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of the flip side.
45:56
It's the power and the curse of the male versus the female
45:59
dynamic that I think
46:02
SPEAKER_01: most men are,
46:03
SPEAKER_01: especially slipping into someone's DMs,
46:06
SPEAKER_01: regardless of gender.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: A woman you don't know well may find it creepy and off-putting.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: A guy may find it aggressive.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: Well,
46:17
SPEAKER_00: I even said to you,
46:19
SPEAKER_00: like,
46:19
one of the first reasons I was able to talk to you is you were
46:23
talking about your
46:24
SPEAKER_00: wife on something.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, he's married.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: And he actually likes his wife.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: I can be friends with this person.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: And you won't think I'm hitting on you.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: Because that's...
46:32
SPEAKER_00: People use Twitter as a dating app,
46:34
SPEAKER_00: and I'm like,
46:34
SPEAKER_00: no,
46:35
SPEAKER_00: I want friends,
46:37
SPEAKER_00: but I'm good in that area.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: I enjoy being one of Twitter's few proud wife guys.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's always being all gross,
46:50
SPEAKER_01: and I'm always like,
46:51
SPEAKER_01: well,
46:51
SPEAKER_01: that woman isn't as attractive to me as my wife is.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: And I mean it!
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Well,
46:56
SPEAKER_00: you also say things that are even,
46:58
SPEAKER_00: not that that's not meaningful,
47:01
SPEAKER_00: but you kind of slam against,
47:04
there's a lot of guys who will say like gross things just about
47:08
being married or
47:10
SPEAKER_00: having a wife in general.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: And you were pretty vocal about being like, no, I actually like that.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: I actually like being married.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: I actually like my wife.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, yes, I can be friends with him.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: He's not going to think I'm hitting on him.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: And he's like a normal person.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: I get that.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: That is that like the most.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: I assume that's usually a joke.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: People are like, oh, my wife.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: But even if it was a joke, if it's not a joke, I'm sorry, dude.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: That's, you know, I really sucked.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: You have poor big poor choices.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: If that is a joke.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Man, that was played out in the 80s.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: That's like Rodney Dangerfield level.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: Come up with better bits.
47:52
I'm just going to say you need to pay attention to one group
47:54
chat better,
47:55
but anyways.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't know which one you're talking about.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: We can discuss this offline.
48:01
SPEAKER_01: But...
48:03
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, like, you know, that's just, you know, wives are great, man.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: I love wives, especially my own.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: They're wonderful.
48:10
SPEAKER_01: If you're that unhappy in your marriage, go get marriage counseling.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: Don't sit around making jokes about it.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: That's like, you know...
48:18
SPEAKER_00: Did you guys do marriage counseling before you got married?
48:20
SPEAKER_01: We had to.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: The priest made us.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, our priest did too.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: We did this weird intensive thing somewhere in the Catskills.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: It was at a monastery in upstate New York.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: It was actually really good.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: It was...
48:35
SPEAKER_01: We knew each other very well, so it was completely useless for us.
48:39
I could appreciate why others would get something from it,
48:43
because they had two options.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: You could do a,
48:47
SPEAKER_01: I think it was like over several weeks thing,
48:49
SPEAKER_01: like a couple nights a week,
48:51
SPEAKER_01: or an intensive over a weekend thing.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: So we did the intensive over the weekend thing.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: It was at this monastery.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: The classes, kind of useless.
49:01
SPEAKER_01: But...
49:04
SPEAKER_01: God, the monastery, beautiful, beautiful place.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: And I would get up at like 6 a.m.
49:11
every morning,
49:11
go out on the front porch and just sit around smoking
49:14
cigarettes with the monks.
49:16
SPEAKER_00: So being Orthodox is helpful that our priests are married, usually.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: So during our counseling,
49:25
SPEAKER_00: it was like us sitting with our priest and he was like,
49:27
SPEAKER_00: oh,
49:28
SPEAKER_00: my wife and I fight about blah,
49:30
SPEAKER_00: blah,
49:30
SPEAKER_00: blah,
49:30
SPEAKER_00: or this problem comes up.
49:32
it was a lot easier for us because when you're talking to
49:36
someone who's actually
49:37
SPEAKER_00: married,
49:37
SPEAKER_00: they give a lot better advice.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: So how,
49:41
SPEAKER_01: how they had it set up was that they had like,
49:43
SPEAKER_01: um,
49:44
SPEAKER_01: I think they had people who,
49:46
SPEAKER_01: who had volunteered to run it or married,
49:49
SPEAKER_01: married couples who had been married for a very long time.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: I assume that the,
49:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, interact with the priest.
49:54
The priest thought they had a solid marriage would be good
49:56
exemplars of marriage to people.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: Like I said,
50:02
SPEAKER_01: it was not a meaningful experience for me,
50:04
SPEAKER_01: but I could see why it would be for others.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: It just was not.
50:08
SPEAKER_01: We knew each other very well.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: I think I've told you before, we've never had meaningful fights ever.
50:13
uh for the most part just is psych uh like i love this i love
50:18
this for you guys to
50:19
me i'm just like how on earth last night i was joking with luke
50:24
about something and
50:25
i was joking about like working out harder lately i was like i
50:29
just want to be hot
50:29
because you've always been hot tempered i was like rude i'd
50:36
never say that you are
50:37
SPEAKER_01: i'd i'd never say that to my wife
50:40
SPEAKER_00: No, we're very cheeky with it.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: If nothing else, she actually isn't that hot-tempered.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: No, I am.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: My wife is not hot-tempered.
50:49
SPEAKER_01: She will tell people exactly what... She's better about this now.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: She's much worse about this.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: She is someone... She doesn't... She tells people what she thinks.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: Regardless of what that...
51:06
SPEAKER_01: She's gotten more politic over the years,
51:08
SPEAKER_01: I think,
51:09
SPEAKER_01: in conversation with me.
51:11
SPEAKER_01: But...
51:14
I need to learn that because I tell people what I think and
51:16
then I get super super
51:18
annoyed for a while I mean I will have knock down drag out
51:23
fights with Luke about
51:24
something absolutely idiotic and he is standing there like what
51:28
is going on and
51:30
once I get it out like I just want to be heard once I'm heard
51:34
and I know that he's
51:36
like taken in what he doesn't have to agree with me just like
51:39
listen to me
51:41
Once we hit that point,
51:42
it's like a switch flips and I'm like,
51:44
hey,
51:44
so what's for dinner?
51:45
SPEAKER_00: He's like, I can't catch up.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't need to tell you to calm down is the issue.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: Women need to be told to calm down sometimes.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: That works really, really well with my Irish temper.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: To say they're acting like their mother.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: No one wants to act like their mother.
52:02
I think being told you're starting to act like your mother was
52:06
a nice corrective
52:07
SPEAKER_01: that sometimes was needed.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: Which is hilarious,
52:11
SPEAKER_00: because my mom and I fight a lot,
52:13
SPEAKER_00: and she will just look at me and be like,
52:16
SPEAKER_00: you are such your father.
52:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, sorry.
52:18
No,
52:20
that's...
52:23
We disagree about things,
52:24
certainly,
52:25
but we just talk about...
52:28
We don't fight.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: We talk about them.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: We don't let it fester.
52:31
SPEAKER_01: We don't sit it around.
52:33
We don't let it fester,
52:34
but that's because I'm psycho,
52:35
and I'll light him up right away.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: I get it out and over with, and it'll be like...
52:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a very explosive,
52:42
SPEAKER_00: quick,
52:43
SPEAKER_00: hey,
52:44
SPEAKER_00: you suck for this,
52:44
SPEAKER_00: this,
52:45
SPEAKER_00: and this,
52:45
SPEAKER_00: fix it,
52:46
SPEAKER_01: and then we're done.
52:47
SPEAKER_01: That's not something.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: He's a whole dinner, and I am a spew at everywhere.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm on his side on this, by the way.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: I just want to let you know.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: Obviously.
52:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm fully saying I'm psycho.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: But I would rather just let it out.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm also a person that thinks –
53:07
it's really important to give people the chance to do what you
53:11
want them to do or
53:12
SPEAKER_00: like to make it up to you.
53:14
SPEAKER_00: And for that to happen, you have to be like open and honest.
53:18
SPEAKER_00: I just am a very emotional, loud woman.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: I think the question is how you're open and on.
53:25
SPEAKER_01: I'd like,
53:26
SPEAKER_01: but my wife,
53:28
SPEAKER_01: if I'm doing something,
53:28
SPEAKER_01: my wife doesn't like,
53:29
SPEAKER_01: she'll tell me what it'll be like.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: She'll just say, Hey, you know, I was noticing this.
53:33
SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, Oh,
53:35
sound like we're fighting all the time and we're not we feel
53:38
like maybe like three
53:40
times a year and it's always resolved within the hour it has to
53:44
be never good never
53:45
go to bed angry don't go to bed angry but i don't like doing
53:49
anything angry i am
53:50
very much a like i might come hard and fast at the beginning
53:54
but i want resolution
53:56
SPEAKER_00: like that day
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very important.
53:59
SPEAKER_01: You cannot go to bed angry in a relationship.
54:02
It's one of those cliches,
54:04
but it's actually a good cliche because it is important.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: The marriage counseling that we did with our priest,
54:12
SPEAKER_00: he did talk to us some about things that he did,
54:16
SPEAKER_00: that he's experienced with his wife,
54:18
SPEAKER_00: which was super helpful.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: But a lot of it we just did.
54:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've ever heard of John Gottman.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: He's like a relationship coach.
54:25
SPEAKER_00: Nope.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: He has a bunch of books that are great and they're actually great for all
54:31
SPEAKER_00: relationships,
54:32
SPEAKER_00: not just a married couple,
54:33
SPEAKER_00: although that's what it's for.
54:35
SPEAKER_00: There's like the seven habits of relationship.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm messing this up, but he has awesome, awesome, awesome books.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of it is talking about shifting the focus away from like,
54:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
54:48
SPEAKER_00: my,
54:49
SPEAKER_00: or saying,
54:50
SPEAKER_00: oh,
54:50
SPEAKER_00: you are doing this or you are doing that or,
54:54
trying to get it away from being resentment and more just like
54:57
being open and honest.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: And that was really helpful.
55:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a resentful person and neither is my wife.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: So I think that's neither of us are given to that sort of thinking.
55:09
I am literally someone who will say that I hate you and never
55:13
want to see you again
55:14
SPEAKER_00: and two minutes later be like,
55:16
SPEAKER_00: oh,
55:16
SPEAKER_00: okay,
55:16
SPEAKER_00: let's be friends again.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm not.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: I let it go.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: I let it go immediately.
55:21
I might be a little aggressive at the beginning,
55:25
but I'll let it go immediately.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: Better not pull that on me.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: Nothing's going to go well.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: I think I snapped at you on one thing,
55:32
SPEAKER_00: but I was like,
55:33
SPEAKER_00: look,
55:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm annoyed at this,
55:35
SPEAKER_00: but here's why.
55:36
SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, I just need to get this out.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: If you say I'm just venting,
55:41
SPEAKER_01: but if people actually,
55:44
SPEAKER_01: if I get the impression someone's trying to burn a bridge with me,
55:46
SPEAKER_01: I'll just be like,
55:47
SPEAKER_01: okay.
55:47
SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of shut them down.
55:50
You totally thought I was because I had a horrible migraine for
55:54
like two days and I
55:55
SPEAKER_00: wasn't texting you back and I gave you one word response.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:58
SPEAKER_00: Are you mad at me?
55:59
SPEAKER_00: What happened?
56:00
SPEAKER_00: Um,
56:04
You know,
56:05
and that's just like,
56:06
you know,
56:06
basically that's I don't want to be intrusive.
56:09
So if I feel like someone is trying to shut me down,
56:11
I'm like,
56:12
OK,
56:12
that's fine.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: That's your choice.
56:14
SPEAKER_00: But again,
56:14
SPEAKER_00: have I not given every indication that if someone pisses me off,
56:18
SPEAKER_00: I will just tell them.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
56:21
Well,
56:22
but but again,
56:24
if you're not sure,
56:24
it's always it's always best to ask.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: It's because I have literally known people who have blown up,
56:34
SPEAKER_01: not me,
56:35
but I've known people who have blown up friendships because
56:37
they thought the other
56:38
SPEAKER_01: person had an issue with them and the person didn't.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: But because they thought the person had an issue with them,
56:45
SPEAKER_01: they then started fomenting their own issue with that person.
56:49
And by the time it blew out into the open and then it was
56:53
completely unresolvable at that point.
56:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm a very upfront person.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: And that is like when Luke and I do fight,
57:03
that is pretty much why we fight because he is not as just
57:08
emotionally spilling as
57:10
SPEAKER_00: I am.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: And if he was just, I don't know.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I try to be measured in what I say.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: I am very conscious about not wanting to burn.
57:21
I was thinking about this with the Elon Musk and Trump thing
57:24
and Elon Musk now
57:26
SPEAKER_01: being like,
57:27
SPEAKER_01: oh,
57:27
SPEAKER_01: I regret things I said.
57:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: That's unhinged, by the way.
57:31
How do you say that someone's in the Epstein list and then be
57:35
like,
57:35
oh,
57:35
my bad?
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: No,
57:37
SPEAKER_01: but that was...
57:38
SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about that because that is something that I would...
57:42
SPEAKER_01: In a situation,
57:43
SPEAKER_01: I would...
57:44
I'd be horrified if I accidentally found myself in it because
57:47
it's something I try
57:48
SPEAKER_01: to avoid doing.
57:48
SPEAKER_01: I've...
57:50
SPEAKER_01: No matter how upset I am in the moment,
57:52
SPEAKER_01: I try to always keep in mind that,
57:54
SPEAKER_01: like,
57:55
SPEAKER_01: I do not want to burn this fridge if I don't have to.
57:58
SPEAKER_01: And I think that some people have trouble with it.
58:00
He's got his,
58:01
Musk has his,
58:02
whatever he's got going on mentally,
58:04
and possible ketamine use.
58:07
SPEAKER_00: Not possible.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Admitted.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: He's on ketamine all the time.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: I think he wasn't on ketamine, and I think he is now, and he chilled out.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe.
58:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't actually know what ketamine does.
58:18
SPEAKER_01: My wife would know, but I don't know.
58:20
SPEAKER_01: She does not use ketamine.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: She would just know the scientific reason for it.
58:24
SPEAKER_01: I want to clarify.
58:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't.
58:27
SPEAKER_00: Don't and have not.
58:29
I do know quite a few people that have like for PTSD and like
58:34
some traumatic
58:35
SPEAKER_00: situations that they were trying to come to resolution with.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: And apparently it's really good for that.
58:40
SPEAKER_00: But I think it just like.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: I think you're just really high for a minute and very introspectively.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: No,
58:48
SPEAKER_01: but that's,
58:50
SPEAKER_01: I very consciously try to remember that,
58:53
SPEAKER_01: like,
58:53
SPEAKER_01: you know,
58:53
SPEAKER_01: I do not want to burn this bridge.
58:56
I try to be measured in what I say and try to keep in mind that
59:01
I'm speaking to
59:01
SPEAKER_01: another person who has their own perspective.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: Wait, hold on.
59:05
SPEAKER_00: You keep saying burn the bridge and look at my mug tonight.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: May the bridge as I burn light the way.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: I actually all burn all the bridges, but I'll do it privately.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: I don't want people to know how messy I am.
59:18
SPEAKER_00: I'll do it privately, like with the person.
59:22
SPEAKER_00: The fact that he blasted that to the internet is so hot.
59:25
SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
59:26
SPEAKER_01: Don't do that online.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: If it was me, I'd be blowing up his texts.
59:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, man, you're in the upstate.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't put it online.
59:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, you do it privately.
59:33
Yeah,
59:34
I think I saw a little while ago,
59:37
a headline came through on my phone.
59:38
The Wall Street Journal was saying that I think Vance and
59:41
someone else apparently called him up.
59:43
SPEAKER_01: We're like, dude, you need to be like, you know, you need to.
59:46
SPEAKER_01: Cool it down and fix this.
59:48
SPEAKER_01: That's what led to the de-escalation.
59:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh,
59:51
Vance and Susie Wiles apparently were on the phone with him and
59:54
were like,
59:56
SPEAKER_01: you know,
59:57
SPEAKER_01: you were not the good guy in this situation.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: You need to figure out a way to walk this back.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_00: How has she managed to stay on?
1:00:07
And by the way,
1:00:08
thank God for her,
1:00:09
because I think she's held back a lot of the insanity.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_00: When the insanity is held back, it's not always.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_00: Imagine what things might be otherwise.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_00: No, this is what I'm saying.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: I want to know how she hasn't
1:00:23
been shoved out yet because that is typically the move so
1:00:29
whatever she has like
1:00:31
keep it up let's keep going can we clone her so that she's
1:00:35
constantly in the room
1:00:36
like you can't take a bathroom break you cannot go on vacation
1:00:40
your country needs
1:00:41
SPEAKER_00: you you have to be next to that man 24 7.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_01: Get a catheter.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_00: You can't leave his side.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_01: All the Florida people hate her.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_01: She had a major following with DeSantis.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_01: The Florida people dynamic is a whole other thing.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: The soft anti-Trumper.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: I was definitely a DeSantis person,
1:01:05
SPEAKER_00: but I wasn't,
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: but not in the way,
1:01:08
SPEAKER_00: and I actually have talked to a lot of DeSantis' actual staff a lot,
1:01:14
SPEAKER_00: and they're awesome.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_00: I really like them.
1:01:16
It's the world around it that I'm like,
1:01:19
oh gosh,
1:01:20
the worst people on earth.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_01: I think, so I am temperamentally very conservative.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm always very clear.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm very, especially economically conservative and
1:01:32
culturally conservative to a greater degree than I was when I
1:01:36
was younger.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time,
1:01:39
SPEAKER_01: I think first and foremost,
1:01:40
SPEAKER_01: I tend to be more so than a lot of people I know,
1:01:42
SPEAKER_01: an economic pragmatist or just real – not an economic,
1:01:46
SPEAKER_01: a political pragmatist or realist,
1:01:48
SPEAKER_01: basically.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_01: We can sit around and say,
1:01:50
wouldn't it be nice if X had happened or wouldn't it be – but X
1:01:52
didn't happen.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_01: We are where we are.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_01: Let's see where we can get from here, which that's –
1:02:03
The Bill Buckley thing of conservatism was that a person is
1:02:10
willing to stand
1:02:10
SPEAKER_01: athwart history and yell,
1:02:11
SPEAKER_01: stop.
1:02:14
And I think that a lot of people now think that conservatism is
1:02:22
a standing athwart
1:02:22
SPEAKER_01: history crying,
1:02:23
SPEAKER_01: go back.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_01: which is not the same thing.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: We are where we are.
1:02:28
You can try to use what was in the past to inform the future
1:02:32
and your idea of the
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: future,
1:02:34
SPEAKER_01: but you can't just sit around complaining that you didn't get your way.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_01: That isn't a way.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_01: We are where we are.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_01: You need to figure out where we're going now.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_01: I think DeSantis himself seems to think.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_00: DeSantis himself... No, this is what... But that's exactly what I mean.
1:02:53
I have issues with the DeSantis orbit,
1:02:58
but it's not actually with DeSantis.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: Or his state staff.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, no.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm...
1:03:07
I haven't interacted with them as much anymore because they're
1:03:09
not as online as
1:03:09
SPEAKER_01: they used to be.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm mutuals with a bunch of his staff members,
1:03:15
SPEAKER_01: and I have interacted with them extensively in the past.
1:03:16
SPEAKER_01: They all seem like great people.
1:03:18
But there's this whole contingent on Twitter of the Santa
1:03:22
supporters who are
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: indistinguishable from just your standard never-trumper.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: It's like,
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: dude,
1:03:30
you are not representing the person that you are claiming to be
1:03:34
representing by
1:03:35
SPEAKER_01: doing this because
1:03:36
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't want this.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_01: He's not doing this.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_01: He's not interested in this.
1:03:39
SPEAKER_01: And he probably is unhappy you're doing this.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, some of the stuff, I don't know.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_00: It's too much.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad we're not in politics anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband left his political job last week.
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SPEAKER_00: Started a new job on the break that we had because you were sick.
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SPEAKER_00: And now works with an organization that is affiliated with our church.
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SPEAKER_00: So we are fully out of politics.
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SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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For a couple that met at an RNC field school,
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that is a significant development.
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SPEAKER_01: You aged out of it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not your world anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not.
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And being in Colorado is not exactly the easiest place to be
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employed as a
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SPEAKER_00: Republican consultant.
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SPEAKER_01: Left coast and its environs are not an ideal.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're not coastal.
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SPEAKER_01: And its environs.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, let's be honest.
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Colorado is based in Little California now,
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so it's basically the left coast.
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SPEAKER_00: It 100% is.
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SPEAKER_00: All these damn Californian natives that moved here.
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SPEAKER_01: You've functionally... Yeah, I see your smile because you're one of them.
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SPEAKER_00: We came in the 90s when it was normal.
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SPEAKER_00: Also, I grew up in a family that was very conservative, so...
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SPEAKER_01: All right, I think we're done.
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SPEAKER_01: We're good.
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SPEAKER_01: We got our time.
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SPEAKER_00: We got our time.
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SPEAKER_00: You're done.
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SPEAKER_00: You're bored with me.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm bored with you.
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SPEAKER_01: We got to say something next week.
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SPEAKER_00: You're tired of being smothered like a mouse.
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SPEAKER_01: We were a little rambly at first.
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SPEAKER_01: We were trying to get back on our toes, but I think... 100% rambly.
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I think by the end there,
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we kind of came around and tightened it up a bit.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's good.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I talked over you a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
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SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry to your wife, because I know that it's hard for our one listener.
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SPEAKER_01: She gets angry when she can't hear me talk.
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SPEAKER_01: She likes hearing me talk, which is fine.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's so cute.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband doesn't like to listen to me talk, so he'll never listen.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm totally kidding.
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SPEAKER_00: He does.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just a weird thing we have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can't like watch each other speak.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a weird thing.
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SPEAKER_01: There's still some time left this week.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll actually get together and do another one this week.
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We could actually,
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you know,
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one of these days do more than one a week,
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as we always talk about.
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SPEAKER_01: We probably won't, but.
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SPEAKER_01: Make up for the last week.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm around.
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SPEAKER_00: My schedule is easier, so.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll figure it out.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
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SPEAKER_01: Talk to you later.