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Gorgeous Mom of 3, Michelle Parker, Vanishes After ‘The People’s Court’ Appearance · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous thirty three year
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Speaker 1: old mom seemingly vanishes. Grammy surveillance video emerges of her
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Speaker 1: at a red light. But is that her in her
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Speaker 1: own car? Because I don't think so. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Parker was last seen around two pm Thursday,
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Speaker 1: dropping her kids off at Smith's home. At about four pm,
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Speaker 1: her brother received a short text from her, but she
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Speaker 1: never showed up for her six pm bartending shift. Her
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Speaker 1: iPhone last pined at a cell phone tower at eight pm,
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Speaker 1: then total silence. At this point for eleven year old
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Speaker 1: calls his grandmother's von Stewart to ask where's mom, and
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Speaker 1: her son called said, is mom at the salim or like, no, honey,
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Speaker 1: she went to drop off the babies. She should be home,
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Speaker 1: She should be taking a natch. Lyon seen her since
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Speaker 1: said home from school. On Friday, police found her black
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Speaker 1: Hummer near in Orlando Mall she rarely visited, and on
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Speaker 1: Sunday they searched her ex fiancee's home at the nearby field.
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Speaker 1: She ever disappeared before called or taking a few hours
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Speaker 1: just to see by herself. Yeah. Parker's mother, von Stewart,
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Speaker 1: has been desperately searching for her daughter for four days now.
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what Miss Stewart has been through
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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again, analyzing clues I believe
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Speaker 1: had been left behind. You were just hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: Matt Gutman and ABC needs been joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: John Dial, personal injury lawyer out of Ordo, who is
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Speaker 1: on Michelle Parker's family legal team as they try their
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Speaker 1: best to find clues regarding the young mom's disappearance. Also
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Speaker 1: with me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts to the Stars, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. She's a star of a
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Speaker 1: new Netflix show, Bling Empire, the founder and director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Instance. You're joining me Cheryl McCullum,
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Speaker 1: and you can find her head Cold Case crimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: But first to Bianca Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel crime and
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Speaker 1: justice reporter, and you can find her on Insta at
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Speaker 1: Bianca Prieto. Bianca, thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: want you to listen to one more bit of Sam.
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Speaker 1: This is from Jennifer bus Roum Fox thirty five. Er
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Speaker 1: spent the day on foot, handing out Flyer's family and
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Speaker 1: close friends, walking from miles, checking every corner for Michelle,
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Speaker 1: every dumpster. You're like, oh, Michelle, Oh, I hope you're
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Speaker 1: not in here. Maybe I hope you're not in here.
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Speaker 1: And you get up and you crawl on top of
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Speaker 1: stuff and you look and you're like, Okay, this one's
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Speaker 1: laminated if you're not here. Brothers Bret and Dustin staying
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Speaker 1: strong for their sister. So yeah, I used to every day.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to wake up and figure it'll be here, SI,
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Speaker 1: you'll be going to look for It's just hurts using
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Speaker 1: maps and driving these ATVs around. They've been turning everything
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Speaker 1: they find over to investigators. We found a lot of
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Speaker 1: possible things today and nothing. I mean, it's all got
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Speaker 1: to get tested and stuff like that. So we can't
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Speaker 1: or we can't say what's what? Can you even imagine that?
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Speaker 1: Just pause for a moment, because I recall the District
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Speaker 1: Attorney's office when we would get literally hundreds of new
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Speaker 1: cases every X number of days, all felonies, all serious.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to go through them like a machine to
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Speaker 1: try to keep going and move the case load. But if,
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Speaker 1: for instance, when I would be driving home from work,
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Speaker 1: I would actually let the facts of the case seep
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Speaker 1: in and it would be very, very upsetting. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: you were with me in the trenches fighting crime, like
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Speaker 1: literally twenty four seven, three sixty five. And wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: hear this family? The mom's saying, oh oh, as she's
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Speaker 1: searching a dumpster, baby, please don't be in this dumpster.
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Speaker 1: Please don't be in this dumpster. It's just all gut wrenching.
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Speaker 1: That's tough, it's awful, and you know, just the idea
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Speaker 1: of where she's having to search and what she's actually
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Speaker 1: searching for, you know, her child, and even though she's
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Speaker 1: a grown woman and had children of her own, that's
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Speaker 1: her baby. And she is literally crawling in a dumpster
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Speaker 1: and praying she's not there, like too. Bianca Prieto, formerly
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Speaker 1: Orlando Sentinel Criminal and Justice reporter, Be honest, I let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. Tell me when we first realize
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Speaker 1: she's often called People's Court Mom, and we're about to
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Speaker 1: find out why Michelle Parker is missing. So Michelle never
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Speaker 1: went home after dropping off her twins with their father
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Speaker 1: when her son got home from school, mom was gone,
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Speaker 1: he'd go and wipe the heck. And coincidentally, that day,
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Speaker 1: Michelle and her ex fiance had been on an episode
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Speaker 1: of the People's Courts arguing over a five thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: engagement ring. So that's an expensive ring. So the alarm
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Speaker 1: was first raised by the eleven year old son. She's
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Speaker 1: got the eleven year old. Then she's got two taught
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Speaker 1: twins trying to take in the eleven year old getting
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Speaker 1: home and Mommy's not there. Can't find mommy, no message,
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Speaker 1: no voicemail, know nothing. Where is mommy? Who is Mommy?
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Speaker 1: Who is Michelle Parker? Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Michelle Parker is no stranger
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Speaker 1: to hard work. It's not easy to juggle multiple jobs
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Speaker 1: and a family. This thirty three year old beauty is
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Speaker 1: a mom of three, a bartender and entrepreneur, and a student.
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Speaker 1: Not only did she pour drinks at one of the
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Speaker 1: most popular bars in Sanford, Florida, The Barn, she also
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Speaker 1: ran a tanning business, using her suv as a mobile billboard.
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Speaker 1: A vehicle wrap with glow mobile airbrush tanning salon clearly
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Speaker 1: visible down the side On top of this, she was
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Speaker 1: studying in cosmetology, working on getting her license to work
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Speaker 1: alongside her mother in the family salon. Wow, she's got
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Speaker 1: her plateful. I could just see her driving along in
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Speaker 1: that hummer with a glow mobile airbrush tanning salon wrapped
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Speaker 1: around it, which turns out to be a critical fact
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Speaker 1: in this case. Let's listen to more from crime Online
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Speaker 1: about who is Michelle Parker. Ask Michelle Parker's family and
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Speaker 1: friends and they will tell you her good looks turned heads.
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Speaker 1: Her friends will also tell you that she has an
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Speaker 1: amazing personality and a big heart. Was that combination her
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Speaker 1: dark hair and bright white smile and big heart they
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Speaker 1: caught the attention of Dale Smith, a former marine. The
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Speaker 1: couple plans alive together. Smith pops the question with a
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars engagement ring. The couple also have three
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Speaker 1: year old twins five thousand dollars for an engagement ring.
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Speaker 1: What the hay happened? Take a list to hl in.
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Speaker 1: Michael Parker has like a lot of women that you
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Speaker 1: see around here in Orlando. She had these big dreams.
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Speaker 1: She had these big plans, and she was making steps
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Speaker 1: to make her dreams come true. Michelle was just a
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Speaker 1: hard working single mother of three. She had two jobs.
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Speaker 1: She was far attended Knight. She also had a tanning business,
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Speaker 1: which she advertised with decals on her armor. She was
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Speaker 1: also going to cosmetology school. She wanted to make a
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Speaker 1: better life for herself and also her three kids. She
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Speaker 1: wrenked hard. She loved her kids. She was an awesome mom.
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Speaker 1: Those kids are so well taken care of. If you
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Speaker 1: look at her photos, you can tell the cosmetology was
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Speaker 1: important to her. She was always made always had her
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Speaker 1: nail side, who always had her hair done right, and
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Speaker 1: she was school to get the license and the certification
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Speaker 1: to one day work for her mother and the salon.
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Speaker 1: I'm recognizing the voice of Steve Helling from People dot com.
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Speaker 1: So how does she go missing? Well, we know the
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Speaker 1: eleven year old comes home, no mommy there, and that
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Speaker 1: is very, very jarring for children, Doctor Bethany Marshall. I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine even when their dad picks them up
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Speaker 1: as opposed to me, and they pick up line at skill,
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Speaker 1: the twins are like, what's going on the least little
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Speaker 1: thing off routine can be very upsetting for children, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany and Nancy. It sticks in their mind. You have
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Speaker 1: no idea how many adult patients in my clinical practice,
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Speaker 1: some of them captains of the industry, very successful lives,
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Speaker 1: will recount in therapy a time that the parent would
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Speaker 1: late to pick them up for school, a time when
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Speaker 1: they came home and the parent wasn't there. These things
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Speaker 1: stick in the child's mind. That's because Nancy. The parents
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Speaker 1: serve as a background, putting presents for the child. What
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Speaker 1: makes children feel safe enough to go out into the
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Speaker 1: world is that their parents are waiting for them somewhere.
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Speaker 1: That the parents are predictability predictable. So when that pattern breaks,
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Speaker 1: it steers into the child's memory. If you ask a
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Speaker 1: child about did mommy forget to pick you up? Where
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Speaker 1: you left waiting at school? You've got to believe they're
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Speaker 1: telling the truth because they will remember time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. So let's go back when she goes missing
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Speaker 1: and the search is on, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox Knees. A search is underway in Florida
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Speaker 1: for a young mother who disappeared the same day at
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Speaker 1: her case Aaron the TV show The People's Court. Her
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Speaker 1: name is Michelle Parker, mother of three, has not been
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Speaker 1: seen since Thursday, she and her ex Beyonce appearing on
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Speaker 1: that show in a heat of dispute over a five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars engagement ring. Now her sister speaking out on
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Speaker 1: Fox and Friends a bit earlier today. It's definitely a
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Speaker 1: fact that she went missing the same day of whether
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Speaker 1: or not it's a coincidence, I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if somebody saw her on TV and thought, hey,
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Speaker 1: she's beautiful and what they do, and you know, figured
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Speaker 1: out where she was at or something. I really don't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and she is a beautiful and more important than being
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Speaker 1: physically beautiful, beautiful on the inside too. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: woman works like a maniac. Anne raises children, Anne goes
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Speaker 1: to school. So what is this about the People's Court?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Matt Gutman ABC. It seemed like
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Speaker 1: a typical episode of the People's Court. But he gets
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Speaker 1: pretty malicious and vindictive, and he's a mean person, especially
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Speaker 1: when he's been drinking. Thirty three year old Michelle Lee
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Speaker 1: Parker and her ex fiance Dale Smith bickering over an
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Speaker 1: engagement ring thrown out of a balcony, and then he
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Speaker 1: said that he wanted his ring, So I took it off,
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Speaker 1: can I throw it out him? But away from the camera,
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Speaker 1: even their mundane domestic arguments tended to turn violent. As
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Speaker 1: he grabbed and turned around. He was holding on to me,
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Speaker 1: screaming at me, pointing back after the stage, going get
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Speaker 1: on that backup and stage. You know. Just three hours
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Speaker 1: after this episode of the People's Court finally aired last Thursday,
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Speaker 1: Parker vanished, but was from disappearance early foreshadowed or was
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Speaker 1: it an uncanny coincidence? Thinking this through so they had, Hey,
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Speaker 1: let me go to John W. Deal R, now a
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Speaker 1: PI lawyer joining us out of Orlando, who is part
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Speaker 1: of the Parker's legal team. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: johnwdal dot com. John. The People's Court episode was filmed
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Speaker 1: in advance of the day she goes missing, but it
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Speaker 1: airs the day she goes missing, right, correct, correct, And
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Speaker 1: the word coincidence has been bandied about, but it's pretty
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Speaker 1: clear there's no coincidence. I missed one, you know, John Dill,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I've taught many, many times. John not
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Speaker 1: only is a high profile personal injury lawyer, but has
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Speaker 1: a brilliant legal mind. I've always said there's no coincidence
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Speaker 1: in criminal law and then right when I say that
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Speaker 1: there is a coincidence, m what happened on that episode.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at ABC kind of
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Speaker 1: smashing my camera on the ground because I was a
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Speaker 1: little angry and I didn't want to camera. Smith is
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Speaker 1: the father of their three year old twins. It's been
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Speaker 1: a hell of a roller coaster ride and it's poison,
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Speaker 1: something Parker knew for years. In two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 1: she filed and was granted a restraining order against Smith.
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Speaker 1: Parker claims, you quote natch, the passenger side in my
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Speaker 1: suv took car seats out and threw them into the road.
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Speaker 1: His Facebook page lists his education is having studied death, destruction,
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Speaker 1: terror and mayhem at the US Marine Corps. But Orlando
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Speaker 1: Police a Smith is not a suspect that he is
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Speaker 1: so far cooperative with investigators. We're not looking at him,
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Speaker 1: We're looking at everything. I don't think the Marine Corps
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Speaker 1: would be very proud of this moment when one of
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Speaker 1: their own says they studied death, destruction and mayhem. You know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Of course, I have crime related stories
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Speaker 1: on everything regarding social media, but there are also a
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Speaker 1: lot of pictures of the twins of the dog, fat Boy,
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Speaker 1: the cats sentiment, Abbey and Chloe the guinea pigs, Death,
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Speaker 1: destruction and mayhem. It is his personal motto, Nancy, Death,
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Speaker 1: destruction and mayhem. If a patient came into my office,
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Speaker 1: I don't throw those words. I would take them very seriously.
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Speaker 1: I mean the idea to be that you want to destroy,
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Speaker 1: that you want to kill people. That is serious. That
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Speaker 1: means that the person putting this on social media is
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Speaker 1: in fact homicidal. There's no other way to put it.
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Speaker 1: People don't say those words for no reason, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I put a lot of death and destruction
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Speaker 1: on social media when I'm trying to solve cases or
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Speaker 1: put them out there d attention to them. I don't
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Speaker 1: think I'm going I don't think I'm homicidal. So I'm
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Speaker 1: going to give you a minute to percolate on that,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. Not that I j D would dare dare correct,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. But before we get too far down
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Speaker 1: that rabbit hole, take a listen to our friend like
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Speaker 1: Diaz at Wish too. Michelle Parker's family is moved the
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Speaker 1: command post to the barn and Sanford and that's the
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Speaker 1: bar where Parker worked as a bartender. Volunteers are resuming
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Speaker 1: their search this morning after searching canals in South Orlando
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Speaker 1: this weekend. That's near the home of the ex fiance,
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Speaker 1: Dale Smith. He's staying with his parents right now. He
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Speaker 1: has not been arrested, but he has been named the
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Speaker 1: prime suspect and Parker's just as it has been two
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Speaker 1: and a half weeks now since Parker was last seen.
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Speaker 1: Her loved ones held a fondraiser Saturday night. They sold
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Speaker 1: T shirts to raise money for Parker's three children. Straight
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Speaker 1: back at to Bianca Prieto, Orlando Sentinel Crime and Justice
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Speaker 1: reporter at the time, Bianca, thank you again for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Let's talk about she goes missing last saying
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Speaker 1: dropping her children off at the fiance's home so she
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Speaker 1: could go to work. Where was she going to work
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Speaker 1: at night? Nancy? She was actually headed to work at
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Speaker 1: the Barn, which is a really popular bar up in Sanford,
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Speaker 1: north of Orlando, probably about twenty twenty five miles north
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Speaker 1: of where her expence they lived, and she never showed up.
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Speaker 1: So John, w don't let me understand something. She was
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Speaker 1: later seen on Granny surveillance video. At least her hummer was.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't where she was Where her hummer was? I think
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Speaker 1: was that a red light? Correct? Wasn't that in the
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Speaker 1: opposite direction. Let me try to articulate this a little
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Speaker 1: bit better. So let's just say A is where she spotted.
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Speaker 1: Her car is spotted at red light. B, it's where
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Speaker 1: fiance is, where she dropped the children. C is the
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Speaker 1: barn where she was going to work that night. Correct,
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Speaker 1: So from B to C is a straight shot, but
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Speaker 1: A was in a completely different direction. Correct, That's right.
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Speaker 1: She was her and again her job was well north
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Speaker 1: of town. Again, about twenty twenty five minutes her vehicle
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Speaker 1: after she doesn't show up at work, which is out
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary for her. She was very responsible about
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Speaker 1: showing up her vehicle scene closer down to where her
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Speaker 1: fiance's places and where her kids were dropped off, and
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Speaker 1: then ultimately where a car is found is not far
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Speaker 1: from that area, which is near the Millennium Mall, which
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Speaker 1: is again in the opposite direction of where she was
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Speaker 1: headed and had always added to and had gone to work.
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Speaker 1: So she's she's not where she's supposed to be. If
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Speaker 1: she's in the car at that time, and that there's
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Speaker 1: communication is broken down in between time and nobody knows
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Speaker 1: where she's where she is. Well, you know, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: before everybody points the finger at the boyfriend, the fiance,
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Speaker 1: the father of the twins, let's just hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 1: You can't narrow it down immediately, although you've got to
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Speaker 1: investigate him based on statistics alone. Cheryl I investigated a
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Speaker 1: case out in California where a nurse got off the
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Speaker 1: night shift and was in her truck on the way
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Speaker 1: home and went missing. The case goes cold until even
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Speaker 1: or not a woman, not a psychic, a woman with
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Speaker 1: a regular job, has some kind of a vision of
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Speaker 1: a body being out in a canyon and she's so
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Speaker 1: nothing like this has ever happened to her before. She
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Speaker 1: gets her family to go with her, and they go
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Speaker 1: driving through the canyon and they see something white. It's
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Speaker 1: her in her nurse's outfit. Well, the police arrest her
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Speaker 1: because of course I don't believe in psychics. She won
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Speaker 1: a big settlement against the LAPD. I think it was
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Speaker 1: when the true killers were found and guess what she
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Speaker 1: the nurse had been at a red light late at night,
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Speaker 1: getting off for her from the hospital and these guys
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Speaker 1: drive up, they start saying stuff to her, trying to
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Speaker 1: talk to her. They kidnap her, raper and killer and
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Speaker 1: dumper in the canyon. That's what happened. So before we
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Speaker 1: charge down the avenue of the fiance, you have to
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Speaker 1: look at every thing you do and you get a
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Speaker 1: miss some purse case, Nancy, one of the first things
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Speaker 1: you should do is start working backwards, meaning what did
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Speaker 1: they search on their computer? What kind of withdrawals did
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Speaker 1: they make on their debit card or bank cards, what
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Speaker 1: kind of purchases, what kind of phone calls, what kind
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Speaker 1: of messages did they break habit or routine? Those are
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Speaker 1: the things you're gonna want to know because if somebody says, well,
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Speaker 1: she probably ran, all well, you need money to do that,
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Speaker 1: and she dumped her vehicle, so how did she leave
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Speaker 1: no hold on? Right there, I'm gonna pick it right
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Speaker 1: back up with you. But John deal, why do women
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Speaker 1: always face the same stereotype when a woman goes missing.
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Speaker 1: And Cheryl mccollins the one that brought it up, but
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Speaker 1: it's legitimate, you do have to look at it, but
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Speaker 1: it's always she ran off to get shocked up with
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend. That could not be further from the truth.
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Speaker 1: And Michelle Parker's case absolutely, I mean she has obviously
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Speaker 1: it all starts when she's supposed to pick up her
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Speaker 1: son from the bus stop, the eleven year old, and
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Speaker 1: she's not there, way out of the ordinary. Nobody can
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Speaker 1: actually speak to her. That is totally out of the ordinary.
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Speaker 1: She would not be the type and there's nothing in
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Speaker 1: her personality to be flighty to disappear, to not be
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Speaker 1: where she's supposed to be. Again, she had twins and
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Speaker 1: you know, you know how much work that takes. She's
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Speaker 1: not all of a sudden checking out and disappearing. This
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Speaker 1: is absolutely out of character. If she were to disappear,
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Speaker 1: and like Lexman said, it ends up she doesn't have
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Speaker 1: her car or her cell phone, and it would it
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Speaker 1: would be impossible for her. And that's just picked up
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Speaker 1: the lap pick up Cheryl. And as that was my point,
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Speaker 1: she broke habit, she broke routine, and that should be
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Speaker 1: a flag. And the reason you want to look at
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Speaker 1: those things is because when you talk to somebody like
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Speaker 1: her ex if he were to say, oh, I bet
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Speaker 1: she just ran off with some man, you already know
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Speaker 1: that can't be possible. She has no money, she has
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Speaker 1: no vehicle, she hasn't researched anything, she hasn't used a
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Speaker 1: bank card, she hasn't gotten a hotel room, she hadn't
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Speaker 1: got an airline ticket. Why would he say that? So again,
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Speaker 1: you want all aspects of this thing looked at, so
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Speaker 1: that when you go and talk to the pertinent people,
21:04
Speaker 1: you already have a good idea. If somebody says, well,
21:07
Speaker 1: maybe she was kidnapped, she had been ransomed, like, none
21:10
Speaker 1: of these things are going to pan out. So you
21:13
Speaker 1: basically have a dual investigation. You are working a missing person,
21:16
Speaker 1: but unfortunately you're also working a homicide simultaney crime stories
21:34
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Bianca Prieto, I'm very focused on the
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Speaker 1: sighting on that grainy surveillance video Michelle Parker's vehicle was
21:46
Speaker 1: the rap, the Glowtan rap taken off of it at
21:50
Speaker 1: that time. It's really interesting because the last time anybody
21:53
Speaker 1: saw Michelle Parker at that decal was on the back
21:56
Speaker 1: of her vehicle, and at that Red Lake camera when
21:58
Speaker 1: they spotted her Hummer, the decals were completely gone. They've
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Speaker 1: been taken off on purpose. Fianc. It was pretty big
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Speaker 1: wasn't it. The decals. Oh, the decals covered the entire
22:09
Speaker 1: back a windshield of her vehicle. And you know, hunters
22:12
Speaker 1: are pretty big. This was a sizeable decal on the
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Speaker 1: back of the car that had been removed. And what
22:17
Speaker 1: time did the red light camp spot her vehicle? The
22:21
Speaker 1: red light camera spotted it at night. I'm not recalling
22:24
Speaker 1: exactly the time, but I know that it was. It
22:27
Speaker 1: was dark, and it was the day that she went missing.
22:29
Speaker 1: It was the same day that she went missing. And
22:31
Speaker 1: the red light camera that spotted her vehicle without the
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Speaker 1: decals was on the complete opposite side of town, the
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Speaker 1: opposite direction of where she should have been headed to
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Speaker 1: go to work. But it was in a straight shot
22:43
Speaker 1: from where she had last been seen. I'm just trying
22:46
Speaker 1: to take all of this in. And what time did
22:49
Speaker 1: she drop the children at the fiances. She had dropped
22:51
Speaker 1: off the twins in the afternoon. I think it was
22:54
Speaker 1: like around two o'clock something like that. It was in
22:57
Speaker 1: the afternoon during the daytime. No one heard from her,
23:00
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, hurried, that's correct, she
23:04
Speaker 1: drops the twins off. And keep in mind, this is
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Speaker 1: before her son is to be picked up at the
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Speaker 1: bus stop. So she drops the twins off at the
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Speaker 1: sante's house, doesn't show up to pick up her son,
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Speaker 1: her eleven year old, at the bus stop. He makes
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Speaker 1: the call to to av On her mother, and who
23:23
Speaker 1: automatically he gets a sense of dread that something is
23:26
Speaker 1: wrong and has happened, and they start trying to reach
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Speaker 1: her at that point in time. So, now let me understand,
23:32
Speaker 1: John w deal joining me out of Orlando. She drops
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Speaker 1: the twins off, and then then it's when she's supposed
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Speaker 1: to go pick up her so at the bus stop.
23:42
Speaker 1: That's great. So between say two o'clock PM and when
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Speaker 1: this photo, this red light photo grabs the image of
23:51
Speaker 1: her vehicle. That's not her or the vehicle. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that's her, do you, John? No, No, I don't.
23:59
Speaker 1: For many reasons. Is one, why would she take off?
24:03
Speaker 1: Why would she be in that area? First of all,
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Speaker 1: when she supposed to be at work. There's no reason
24:07
Speaker 1: for her to be down there. Her family's and picking
24:09
Speaker 1: up her son. Yeah and her Yeah, exactly, She hasn't
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Speaker 1: picked up her son. Family has tried to reach her.
24:15
Speaker 1: They texted her and she there's a cryptic one word
24:18
Speaker 1: answer because they asked her where are you? And she
24:20
Speaker 1: takes text back Waterford, which is another area of town,
24:24
Speaker 1: not too far but certainly not up to Sanford. And
24:29
Speaker 1: she's not the type to just give a one word
24:31
Speaker 1: text answer, and then she would never come. That's a
24:35
Speaker 1: big indicator. John w Deal, I'm so glad you brought
24:38
Speaker 1: that up. Cheryl will call him if you notice that
24:40
Speaker 1: when somebody is texting for you, like sometimes I'll be
24:44
Speaker 1: driving and I'll give the phone to John David. Lucy
24:47
Speaker 1: refuses to send a text from me, and even if
24:50
Speaker 1: I dictated, it comes out all crazy, and you know,
24:54
Speaker 1: because he'll type in full sentences, which I never ever do.
24:58
Speaker 1: I'd like to abbreviate everything, which leads to a lot
25:01
Speaker 1: of misspellings and very unusual spell corrections. But you can
25:06
Speaker 1: tell that's not me. You can tell my same thing here.
25:09
Speaker 1: My kids went and played golf yesterday and Hug was
25:12
Speaker 1: responding to Caroline's phone for her, and I knew immediately
25:16
Speaker 1: it was him and not her immediately, So yes, you
25:20
Speaker 1: can tell. And her family, she was known, of course,
25:23
Speaker 1: vivacious and fun. She would lead text messages that were paragraphs,
25:28
Speaker 1: so for her just to put one word and then
25:31
Speaker 1: not to return in order to get her child was
25:34
Speaker 1: completely uncharacteristic. And again about three flags in one. You know,
25:39
Speaker 1: Cheryl Mnacle, you really need to be an investigator and
25:42
Speaker 1: do something like found the Cold Case Research Institute because
25:46
Speaker 1: you're really good? Is that? Dator Bethany jumping in? Cheryl
25:50
Speaker 1: is so good. I hate to even follow her in
25:52
Speaker 1: terms of commentary, but I will just say, Nancy, you
25:55
Speaker 1: have the most unique texts of anybody I've ever met.
25:58
Speaker 1: Your texts are unmistakable. Who can condense an entire paragraph
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Speaker 1: into three alphabet letters and the letters of the alphabet.
26:05
Speaker 1: I think that's because you did. You're doing TV for
26:08
Speaker 1: so many years, you're talking on set, you're texting, you're
26:12
Speaker 1: running the entire show, so nobody could ever steal your
26:15
Speaker 1: phone and text for you if you're obvious. But I'm
26:17
Speaker 1: going to say the back. I think it's actually because
26:20
Speaker 1: of the District Attorney's Office out to Bethany. When I
26:22
Speaker 1: first started, I would answer the phone, good morning, Fulton
26:26
Speaker 1: County District Attorney's Office. This is Assistant Distant Attorney Nancy Grace.
26:30
Speaker 1: By the time I was beat down teen years later,
26:32
Speaker 1: I picked fun up and go da that's what happens.
26:38
Speaker 1: But what do you make of this, Doctor Bethany, I
26:40
Speaker 1: think it's very critical. Nancy, Well, I'm gonna say, I'm
26:45
Speaker 1: just gonna say, the whole, big picture, the whole background
26:48
Speaker 1: is important to this. Remember she was on the People's
26:51
Speaker 1: Court that day. I know, we're looking at all the
26:55
Speaker 1: micro permutations of the text. Didn't sound like her. She
26:58
Speaker 1: was the wrong part of down. She didn't pick up
27:01
Speaker 1: the eleven year old, critical, dropped off the three year
27:04
Speaker 1: old twins critical. All of this is critical, But let's
27:08
Speaker 1: remember that she was on a television show that day,
27:13
Speaker 1: very unusual for a lay person who's never been on TV,
27:17
Speaker 1: and that could have built up a whole head of
27:20
Speaker 1: steam somewhere in her life, either on the set, either
27:24
Speaker 1: with her fiance Dale Smith, people she met on the set,
27:28
Speaker 1: people on the bar, in the bar who knew she
27:30
Speaker 1: was going. This was a banner day for her. And
27:36
Speaker 1: we have to just see that as a backdrop to
27:39
Speaker 1: all these wonderful clues that Cheryl McCollum is telling us
27:43
Speaker 1: about big picture and small picture all at the same time.
27:47
Speaker 1: You know, I will say, she's in a toxic relationship,
27:51
Speaker 1: she's in a public setting, on a TV show she
27:54
Speaker 1: works at a bar. The first thing I thought is,
27:57
Speaker 1: you know, when you have a jealous boyfriend and a
28:00
Speaker 1: beautiful woman working at a bar, that's the powder keg
28:04
Speaker 1: right there in and of itself. Time Stories with Nancy
28:21
Speaker 1: Grace Bianca Prietto. I want to follow up on what
28:25
Speaker 1: Sheryl McCallum, John Deale and Bethany Marshall are saying. What
28:30
Speaker 1: happened exactly on the People's Court episode. It's very hard
28:34
Speaker 1: for me to disentangle or separate that appearance. It happens
28:40
Speaker 1: and she goes missing the very same day. What exactly happened.
28:43
Speaker 1: The two were engaged. Dale and Michelle were engaged, too married.
28:47
Speaker 1: He purchased for her a five thousand dollars engagement ring.
28:51
Speaker 1: At some point they got into an argument. She tossed
28:53
Speaker 1: the ring. Now there's a big fight. They go on
28:55
Speaker 1: to the People's Court, and the People's Court made Dale
28:59
Speaker 1: look not so great, And so the taping had actually
29:03
Speaker 1: happened weeks months prior to her disappearance. But the thing
29:07
Speaker 1: is is that at noon that day the People's Court
29:10
Speaker 1: aired their episode, and within hours of that taping exceeding
29:14
Speaker 1: within hours of that airing Michelle, it's gone disappeared. We
29:20
Speaker 1: don't know what sho that? What do you mean? It
29:21
Speaker 1: made him not look too good on the People's Court,
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Speaker 1: the Dale and Michelle were arguing and Dale was upset
29:29
Speaker 1: about the way that he came out looking on it,
29:31
Speaker 1: and I think that's that day. It was just not
29:35
Speaker 1: a good day for Dale or for Michelle. Okay, break
29:38
Speaker 1: it down for me, John W. Dale, what do you
29:41
Speaker 1: what's your perception of what happened on People's Court? Well,
29:43
Speaker 1: certainly it was a bad experience for Michelle to go
29:46
Speaker 1: to the People's Court. Is she didn't even want to
29:48
Speaker 1: be involved in it and had a bad experience on
29:50
Speaker 1: the filming. The way it came out just showed some
29:54
Speaker 1: of the bad blood between the two of them, and
29:58
Speaker 1: that like, like it said, it had been aired that day. Again,
30:03
Speaker 1: a couple hours after it's there, she's over dropping off
30:07
Speaker 1: the children to the fiance who obviously she used as
30:10
Speaker 1: an extremely ex fiance, has an extremely stranged relationship with.
30:15
Speaker 1: So okay, let me jump in, Yeah, jump in, who won?
30:22
Speaker 1: Who said what? Who came out smelling like a rose?
30:25
Speaker 1: And who's stuck like a scott? Okay, trying to hear
30:28
Speaker 1: the judge basically said, y'all are going to split the
30:30
Speaker 1: cost of the ring. Each one of you is going
30:31
Speaker 1: to pay twenty five hundred. What came sounds fair to me,
30:35
Speaker 1: It sounds fair. What came out was that he's a cheater,
30:40
Speaker 1: that he's put his hands on her. So again, most
30:44
Speaker 1: men would tell you, any man say that that's putting
30:47
Speaker 1: perfume on the pig, put his hands on her on
30:51
Speaker 1: the shoulder. No, that's not go ahead the truth. But
30:55
Speaker 1: that's that's the quote she used. He should not have
30:57
Speaker 1: put his hands on me. So I'm just saying that's
30:59
Speaker 1: one of those things that came out, that he had
31:01
Speaker 1: been abusive to her physically. So again, for a man,
31:05
Speaker 1: any man would tell you in order, you know, for
31:07
Speaker 1: you to put your hands on a woman, you're a punk,
31:10
Speaker 1: You're just a piece of craft. So it made him
31:13
Speaker 1: ultimately look bad. People weren't even talking about the ring.
31:16
Speaker 1: They weren't interested in the ring. They were interested in
31:18
Speaker 1: his treatment of her. And you didn't have one affair,
31:22
Speaker 1: you had seven with different women. So he probably had
31:26
Speaker 1: a few other women mad at him. So a lot
31:28
Speaker 1: of dirty laundry was put out there. So the day
31:32
Speaker 1: so what deal? He had seven affairs while they were together, Yes, ma'am,
31:38
Speaker 1: and that and several affairs. And who would want to
31:42
Speaker 1: sleep with a guy that's had seven affairs during the
31:44
Speaker 1: relations You might as well just go up and go
31:46
Speaker 1: out and jump in the cesspool. If you can't do that, okay.
31:49
Speaker 1: I don't care about who he's been with or who
31:52
Speaker 1: he dated during their relationship. I don't care about her
31:56
Speaker 1: throwing the ring when he wanted it back. Sounds like
31:59
Speaker 1: an amicable settlement. Each one paced for half of it.
32:02
Speaker 1: But you know what I always say, when you don't
32:05
Speaker 1: know a horse, look at his track record. I can
32:08
Speaker 1: hear everybody on the panel rolling their eyes, but you
32:11
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, Tyler, please run cut twenty two.
32:17
Speaker 1: This is Lilia Luciano Attoday dot Com, Cut twenty two.
32:22
Speaker 1: On September fifteenth of two thousand, Shannon was treated at
32:25
Speaker 1: a South Carolina hospital for head injuries, and Smith was
32:28
Speaker 1: arrested for criminal domestic battery. I remember when she came home.
32:32
Speaker 1: There was a cut on her head and her feet
32:35
Speaker 1: were cut up and it was through I think it
32:40
Speaker 1: was through some concrete where she had been I don't
32:43
Speaker 1: know if she was dragged or what, but her feet
32:46
Speaker 1: were bloody. In a military court, Smith was convicted of
32:50
Speaker 1: domestic battery and drug possession and was dishonorably discharged from
32:53
Speaker 1: the Marines. When Shannon died, Smith was still serving time
32:57
Speaker 1: for both charges, and that was not the first time
33:00
Speaker 1: he had runnings with the law. In nineteen ninety two,
33:02
Speaker 1: Smith fled no contest who attempted aggravated battery after a
33:06
Speaker 1: fight in Orlando. He was given two years probation. In
33:09
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, he pleaded guilty to battery charges and
33:12
Speaker 1: served jail time. In two thousand and nine, Michelle Parker
33:15
Speaker 1: filed a restraining order against Dale Smith, which a judge
33:18
Speaker 1: later dissolved. So we see a track record of the fiance,
33:24
Speaker 1: Dale Smith Junior. Now let me stress for the umtaped time.
33:29
Speaker 1: He has not been arrested in the case a Michelle Parker.
33:34
Speaker 1: She is still missing. So he has not been arrested,
33:39
Speaker 1: he has not been found guilty. He has not been
33:42
Speaker 1: in a court of law on this matter. We're not
33:45
Speaker 1: in a courtroom right now. We're in a TV set
33:50
Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall. Just because he's had acts of
33:56
Speaker 1: violence against another woman, is not made. He's culpable in
33:59
Speaker 1: this case. But it does give me a lot of insight.
34:04
Speaker 1: What is a malignant narcissist you are telling me about
34:07
Speaker 1: that earlier off air. A malignant narcissist is a very
34:10
Speaker 1: important term in my field. It means that this is
34:14
Speaker 1: a narcissist who wants to destroy everything around him when
34:20
Speaker 1: he feels humiliated. So if somebody breaks up with him,
34:24
Speaker 1: he wants to destroy her life. If you're a boss
34:29
Speaker 1: a CEO of a company and somebody humiliates you, you
34:32
Speaker 1: want to fire them from their job. It's the person.
34:36
Speaker 1: It's like a little kid who's not winning the game,
34:38
Speaker 1: so they just smash all the toys and you know,
34:41
Speaker 1: walk off the playground. It's the adult version of that.
34:45
Speaker 1: In fact, Nancy, there's a saying in my field about
34:49
Speaker 1: sociopaths and narcissist death before dishonor homicide after humiliation, And
34:56
Speaker 1: what that means is that they have a narcissistic collapse,
35:00
Speaker 1: meaning they feel ashamed and bad about themselves. They could
35:04
Speaker 1: be really vulnerable to suicide, but if they feel that
35:07
Speaker 1: somebody else has humiliated them, they could be vulnerable to
35:12
Speaker 1: lashing out in very destructive almost even sometimes homicidal wave
35:18
Speaker 1: to Bianca Prieto, former Orlando Sentinel Crime and Justice reporter. Bianca,
35:23
Speaker 1: the cell phone was ultimately found, where was it and
35:28
Speaker 1: what if anything could be gleaned from her cell phone?
35:32
Speaker 1: Michelle Sall which was really unique, had a unique case
35:35
Speaker 1: on it was found tossed over a bridge under about
35:39
Speaker 1: three or four feet of water. And if you're looking
35:41
Speaker 1: at a map of Orlando, it's a straight shot from
35:44
Speaker 1: the area where she was last seen dropping off the Twins,
35:47
Speaker 1: direct shot into where her car was found. So give
35:51
Speaker 1: was recovered that phone and they took a look at it.
35:54
Speaker 1: But it's interesting where the cell phone was actually found.
35:59
Speaker 1: Why you say that it shown to the path. It
36:02
Speaker 1: shows the path of where she could her belongings. I
36:05
Speaker 1: won't say she went, but where her belongings went from
36:08
Speaker 1: one end of Orlando to the other side. It's just
36:11
Speaker 1: a straight shot. You look at the map and it's
36:14
Speaker 1: a straight shot tossed over a bridge into a body
36:17
Speaker 1: of water on the side of town where she was
36:19
Speaker 1: last seen. John W. Deal, where does the case stand
36:23
Speaker 1: right now or it stands right now? Is that? Unfortunately
36:27
Speaker 1: there's no closure. The body has not been found. There's
36:31
Speaker 1: not been a charge against mister Smith, who was never prosecuted.
36:35
Speaker 1: It is an open case obviously, with no body it's
36:39
Speaker 1: very difficult to prosecute. Still and miss Stewart still feels
36:45
Speaker 1: every day wondering, wondering what happened, wondering if there's some
36:50
Speaker 1: some off chance that maybe her daughter's out there somewhere,
36:52
Speaker 1: but she's you know, that's not a real realistic hope
36:56
Speaker 1: at this point. If you have information, or you think
37:00
Speaker 1: you may know something, please dial eight hundred four two
37:04
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