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Yoreh De’ah 189:24-30. Niddah: Veses, Haguf Physical Signs, The Pill, Hormones, Girls, Post Menopause, Mesulekes Damim · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are continuing Elkhos Vesis
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  for Nida Kufpe tete. We're on Kufdalid I just in case
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  I didn't explain correctly, I just want to point out in your
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  design when we spoke about Vesita Onis, the type of Vesita
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  gulf that's it's like from jumping the woman causes it upon
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  herself. So there just to clarify, Nishol
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  Khanarek's opinion is if it's not tied today's that's has no
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  ramifications for establishing A vessel.
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  There is no such thing as a vessel to onus or jumping.
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  If it's not also tied to days and it's the Rama who is, who is
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  Koshish for say jumping even if or certain types of lifting and
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  exercising, even if it's not tied to days at all.
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  OK, right, both for vessel and for whether it's OK or any kind
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  of a vessel. Fine, let's get to Kaftali.
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  Today we are reading the Kulam en koshishim lahem ella
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  lashahta. We only were we only worry about
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  them and and it's their time. Let's explain.
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  We're not. This is referring to vesit
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  hagoof like hiccups, sneezing, any of the whatever bodily
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  movements that are that causes sounds or this and that or
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  certain types of cramps. So vasiraguf when it's not tied
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  to daze, that's just the eve. It's not tied to daze.
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  So then you only have to worry about it when you, you know,
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  have these yawning, hiccuping, sneezing, whatever it is Kaitzai
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  Haita regularly wrote in Hakala Tavasit, Miyad Asura Khosman
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  Amshaha Tavasit. So then as soon as it starts, if
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  it normally starts right away when she has these feelings, so
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  then she immediately becomes usser and has to has to be a
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  pressure from her husband because she's afraid it's going
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  to start the rest it's going to start right now.
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  Haita regilio the sofa, Ena asura Ella the sofa.
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  But if it only happens at the end, let's say she has his these
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  this vessel ago. Let's just say it lasts 2 hours
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  and it never the bleeding never starts until after two hours
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  from when it starts towards the end of when it or after it
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  finishes whatever it is. So then she only has to be
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  mouthfished from her husband after the two hours, whatever
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  normal when it might begin where it might possibly begin to
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  start. That's when she has to a mafish.
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  I'd say if it's always happens an hour after like whatever it
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  is, that's what she has to be Quotation for Bah medwari
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  memorial Bisman shakole hariya muvlat They talk have acid.
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  That's if when all of the initial bleeding that happens
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  when it's during these or whenever the vest it starts
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  during the these feelings or cramps or sneezing abatim aner
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  call hariya muvlad bittoch havasit.
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  But if it doesn't happen all within the period of these
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  feelings. In other words, the feelings
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  start, but then she normally continues to bleed way
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  afterwards. Alanim shahad gam akhar havasit.
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  So then asura mithilat havasit atsof ona akhat.
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  So then if it if it normally continues beyond the sneezing,
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  beyond the cramps, beyond the hiccuping, so which I'm assuming
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  is common. So then then you only have to
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  then you they have to be mafish from each other for that entire
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  period of the the whole day or the whole night, right?
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  The ona ahas, whether it's the rest of the day or the rest of
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  the night, whenever it's happening.
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  OK, then that's pretty much intuitive.
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  Anyway, Cafe IEM ekhad maelu balisman yedua.
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  Now let's this is talking about veselhaguf that's tied to a
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  particular day. It's she has a vested for a
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  vested kabua. She has a vested for when it's
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  she has this muhush on always on aleph of the month or always on
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  tetvagh of the month. They're always a haflug of 29
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  days or whatever, whatever it is.
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  So imehatmehlu balismanyidua as vade asura call unata vesit
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  Kamal vesit yamim greater. So then if it's tied to a day,
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  then we say the whole ona. Once that vesita guff begins,
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  she has those Mikushima's feelings.
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  Then as soon as that starts and it's on that same day that it's
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  supposed to, that's her vesit that she established.
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  So then that entire ona is us. OK?
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  If it's a tie to a particular day, then the entire onna, the
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  entire day or the entire night, then she already has to start
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  the mafish. She's expecting it that day.
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  OK, Kava, some of this is reviewed.
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  Kashem kashem Shah kosheshit levesi TE yamin vipa amahas.
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  Kah kosheshit levesi tagu vipa amahas.
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  So if it happens once, then you have to worry about it, whether
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  it's Vesa sayamin by itself or Vesa taguf by itself, right?
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  A regular from the the the vesa taguf where it's a Simon coming
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  from your body like hiccups and and all that stuff.
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  So just a one time you have to be khosheshit kaitzar haitam.
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  If I had get palm ahas, So let's say this means yawning.
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  So if you have if she yawns and that she has this, you know,
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  unusual yawning, not just A1 yawn.
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  That's normal for everybody. She has this unusual series of
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  yawning that she knows might cause is a sign that she's going
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  to have evacid Pam akhas virata and then she sees.
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  So if that happens once, Kisha tipahek Pam akheres hosheshit
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  low. So the next time it happens,
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  even just once, so then one more time.
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  So now she has to worry maybe it's going to come.
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  OK, shame. So then let's say she has to
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  wait for the rest of the Ona, whatever it is that she's So we
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  already learned by days if it's only got established one or two
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  times, but not a full Kazaka of three.
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  So then you you only have to have one month come by and she
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  doesn't see it. And then we say she has nothing.
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  He doesn't. She sees the next month, he has
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  to start from fresh 3 New Times. You don't say OK, of course
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  you'll have to look at the big picture because who knows if
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  she's making the surrogate some kind of.
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  But anyways, all basically we're just saying all you need is one
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  time to uproot it. Even if it's you had it twice,
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  you still need only one time to uproot Cain who vested Taguf.
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  So too with the vest vested A goof Kashem shivested to Yamim,
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  hakavua, bishaloshpa amim, sarik Akira shaloshpa amim and but
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  also Vesi yamim. Once it does get established
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  with three proper times, so then sarik and Akira.
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  So then also you have to do an Akira 3 proper times, also 4
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  vesitaguf. The same thing about kasso, she
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  checks three times. Kenu vesi takavua beguf, same
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  thing. Uma a mataya kirasso.
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  When does it get us uprooted? Mishikra Mikra volotira that's
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  when by Vasila guff when she has these feelings or things that
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  happened to her body and then she doesn't see like her vesit,
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  you know the last three times. So then haya mikra lesmania dua
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  Eno netkar ella inkin BA mikra shalosh PE Amin bizmano villora.
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  And then if it's tied to a time, then it doesn't happen three
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  times and she doesn't see. So then it can be uprooted.
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  And it's if it was established with three, it needs to be
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  uprooted with three of the mikra Lovato elizuman Lovato shalorat
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  abehem inonakar. But if it's a vested, A goof
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  that's tied to a day, then it doesn't get uprooted just
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  because three days, those three days takes three months,
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  whatever it is. But those three times it doesn't
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  happen. So then if it's if it's a vested
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  A goof that's tied to days, then just having one or the other
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  won't up uproot it. Just one little caveat and then
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  we're going to continue. So now we're entering the topic
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  of Misulekit Damim or a woman is assumed to not have bleeding.
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  So this is I'm just going to mention again one more time ask
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  your But when it comes to women taking birth control pills or
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  whatever mechanism is being used, so many of them stop right
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  the the menstrual period and it doesn't come.
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  So what happens? So once a woman is established
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  by generally speaking, if for three times she, she knows that
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  once she takes, she starts taking the pill and it doesn't
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  and then it stops the bleeding, then then she establishes the
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  next time she stops taking the pill again, she is considered
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  Masulaka Damin. The pill stops it from coming.
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  And then let's say she's using the pill and it's again, it
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  depends what kind of pill and how you're using it, but it
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  could be where every month she you know, it's or every three
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  months. So whatever she's she's doing,
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  it makes you switch the pill or you take a placebo or whatever
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  it is, and then it starts the the cycle again.
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  So then most So what if she starts stops taking the pill or
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  start starts taking the placebo pill per SE in order that it
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  makes her to start to see again. So many, most postgame give a
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  woman 24 hours from that new pill or stop taking the pill
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  where she knows she's not going to see.
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  I mean, most often, most poskin will also say, look at yourself.
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  Look at what happens every time you get off because some women
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  it takes a day. That's you.
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  It usually takes more than a day for the bleeding to stop.
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  Could take right, takes 2 days, could take three days, could
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  take less, whatever it is. So, but most poskin will say you
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  get 24 hours and then she has to be Hoskasha when you start
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  taking the new pill. In other words, when a woman,
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  let's say there is, let's say in a, in a, in a, in a cycle.
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  So again, it depends. There are packets or pills where
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  after every every month you take a new type of like 7 pills,
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  let's say it's a different color or whatever it is.
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  And then that pill is, it's either a placebo or it's a
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  little different. And then that's what, that's
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  what, that's what I mean by taking that new pill.
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  That's going to cause because she stopped taking those
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  hormones. It's going to start, it's going
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  to cause the bleeding to happen. But it takes 24 hours, right?
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  But it takes 24 hours for it to kick in exactly for the body to
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  kick in to start bleeding or she stops taking the pill for
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  whatever it is usually. OK.
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  That's the new pill that's going to cause it to it's going to
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  allow the body to continue its normal flow and it's going to
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  make her bleed. So usually most posts came will
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  get will say you have 24 hours and you don't have to worry.
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  Some worry right away. But and some well, many will
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  tell you just look at your pattern.
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  If for three months three times you started, you know, you got
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  off the pill or you started taking this placebo pill, then
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  for you it takes 2 days. So then you get 2 days off.
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  OK, now and then how long does she have to be Mafishwar from
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  her husband? So some posts came say one Ona
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  just like everything else we learned, I think the majority of
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  postgame. But again, ask your up.
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  Many will also say once it's this is not the regular
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  situation taking the the whole pill issue.
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  It's a hormonal medication. It's not the same.
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  So therefore it's not that you're just mafrish for the
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  first Ona when you're expecting it and then you don't have to be
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  Mafrish anymore. Here it's we as where there's a
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  strong umdhana at the bleeding is for sure going to happen
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  within let's say a day or two or three days.
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  And so therefore they say once that first day passes or if you
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  know for yourself maybe 2 days, whatever it is, spend it you
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  ask, let's say. So then they say you have to be
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  Mafrish for the next 3-4 days, some say until it comes, many
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  will say for three or four days. And then after three or four
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  days, then you ask, then you can, you don't have to be
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  Mafrish anymore because you have no idea when it's going to come.
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  It can come now, it can come later.
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  So and I mean, generally speaking, it's going to come.
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  But OK, what you didn't say is that one, one is on the pill.
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  She has a Azaka being in Sulakis, right?
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  So I thought I said fine. So I didn't say while she's
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  taking on the pill, she has Edenabine Masulakat Amin.
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  And therefore as long as she's taking right, the hormones, she
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  never has to be mafish as long as she's on that pill.
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  So some people could be on that same cycle and throw away the
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  placebo pills and keep using those hormone pills.
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  And you can go for three months, six months, you know, at some
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  point it's not considered healthy.
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  Maybe but or probably not, but it depends.
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  Ask your ask your your doctor. But so then for all those
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  months, you're masu like it, dummy.
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  And you don't have to be Mafrish and Khoshish at all.
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  OK, so that's like a hybrid between what we're doing until
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  now and now, what we're starting.
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  So I don't know if we'll finish, but we'll see.
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  Let's start with Masulakit, dummy.
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  OK. Tinokat.
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  So this is a girl child, A girl. Shiloigi Azman Ali, wrote V
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  Kitana. Shiloigi Ali Mae.
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  So a young lady. She's not a young girl.
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  She's not, I believe we're saying 12 years old or 12 1/2.
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  I forgot. Does it say look in the Shah?
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  Shahaita pehuta miyudvich shanim vio mekha.
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  OK, so the Shah says she's not 12 yet, right?
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  All right. She's not even a Nara.
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  Exactly. So Nara's generally from 12 to
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  12 1/2. Technically fine.
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  So she's not 12 yet. Afiloheviasheh, Sarah.
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  Even if she brings 2 hairs, two pubic hairs, she's not 12 years
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  old yet. So she's a Cortana the Hain or a
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  tea nocket. We call her a tea nocket for the
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  salaha, the Hain. Or she did reach 12 years old
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  Imbad kua veloe vias de sarat. Or she doesn't have two hairs.
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  Either one she doesn't have the two bubic hairs or she's not 12
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  years old. He one second Imbad kua veloe
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  vias de sarat kishaar nashi bishalosh yield.
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  So she could become a have, she could establish A vested kavua
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  like everybody else, but only if she sees three times bishara
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  vestat right when it's three months.
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  But if it's intervals, then it's ubaraba Vestas aflagos.
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  So 3 or 4 times like like we, like we always say she isn't
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  starting to see it's a, it's a fluke, right?
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  It's an 11 year old. It's a fluke.
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  Or at least she's not going to be.
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  She's there's no set pattern starting that you have to be
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  worried for. I don't know if the OK, OK, so
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  anyway, she's, she doesn't have to worry.
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  Now these halachas aren't so common nowadays, obviously,
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  because we're not 1211 year olds, are not getting married,
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  and we're not dealing with truma and Tara so much nowadays.
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  OK, but let's keep going. Hafresh binela gadola.
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  There's a difference between her and a gadola.
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  Shafapi shahukhsaka ROA bakova the kovala vesit impasca
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  shalosh. Oh, not benon shalosh.
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  Oh not benoniot shahim tishin yam.
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  So here even if she is, she gets a khazaka that she gets a vested
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  kagua and but then three months go by, 90 days go by and she
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  doesn't see. So then she loses her vestit
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  velorata Eno khosheshit la vesta harishon klaul khazra la
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  kadmuta. But now, so then she becomes a
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  masulakit. OK, so a regular woman, she
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  doesn't become masulakit. She uproots everything she has,
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  but she doesn't become a masulakit.
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  Like if she sees once, she has to worry again by a masulakit by
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  a 11 year old, the Philu khazra Leerot, the Otan Ono shahaita
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  limuda perush nehuga. Even if she starts to see again,
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  she sees once and on that same day that she used to be.
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  She used to have a vessel Kapoor when she was 11, even though she
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  had a Vesa Kavua when she was 11 and she sees now when she's
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  still 11. She sees now on that same day,
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  but she only saw once. She still has a den of Masulaka
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  Tamim and she doesn't have to worry about checking herself in
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  a month from now. She doesn't.
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  I mean, until she sees three more times because she has a
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  dinner, right? A Cortana, a Tinok Tino kit has
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  a din of teen of a Mr. like a dummy if you Sheena.
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  But dummy. She's not Badami, it's not
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  normal for her to see blood and therefore we assume she's not
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  going to bleed. Vinit kalesh adami marishoni
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  mikrehaya and it's turned out le mafreya that when she saw
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  earlier it was just a fluke or happens dancer and OK rata
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  shalosh Rio shalosh onot mehuvanot shalog pikata
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  velohatira with kalesh adilog harishon Eno silog Damien El
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  eshinoe vesit no so therefore, but she still could be.
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  But you still have to watch patterns because it could still
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  be a vested tadilog, Lafika ria rishona shimani tila mitztarafit
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  la shalosh riot ahronot. And so it could be where it's
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  you. You will still attach it.
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  You still use it for the series, for afterward, for the next 3
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  venim SU arba riot vishalo shaflagot venehem viticium
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  latitium. So therefore you can still have
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  with an interval I think you say in intervals of 90 days of all
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  in pirata or tira. But if it's changes from it's
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  not a consistent 90. Shaloh hayu hirios mehuvano.
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  They're not exactly equal. Exact same intervals as EF shala
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  richoner at least tariff. Then you don't consider the
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  first ones the aaj shatira arberios mehuvanos enokovat
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  vesis la vas Lagos until she sees 4 then with exact same
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  intervals. Four things that create three
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  exact same intervals. Then you don't have to worry
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  about it. OK, let's get to the new topic.
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  Zucchena Vekhane Kafkhat Vekhane Zucchena Shavrou Alea shalo
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  shanod Mishaiskina Velorata. So here someone who is
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  considered elderly, an old woman and three pose, right?
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  No, exactly. So that's why we're going to get
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  to OK And then next Salaka, correct, she's not old, she's
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  called the zakhana, but postmenopausal fine shahru alaya
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  shalosh onot mishihiskina villorata once, three times,
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  once she's of a certain age and three times pass where right,
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  three intervals where she expects 3 months.
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  So then all right, 3 onos for her.
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  So then harezzo Mesulaka dami. So once she reaches this age and
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  there's three times past, she has a din of masulakat amim.
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  Blood has been removed from her. It's not normal for her to see
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  the aina khosheshit levesta harishan and she no longer is
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  khosheshit for her. Any previous vesit katano zukina
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  aina Khoshishima, vesit kavua and a girl and a zukina is not
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  khosheshit khosheshit at all. For a vesich aina kavua kaftet
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  Aziz, even if she sees once, she doesn't have to check 30 days
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  later for nothing. Not not the yon, not the khodesh
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  aflaga nothing a zohi zakhina khoshi zakhina kokak shuruya
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  shakurina IMA befanea Mohammed zikmuta.
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  What is the age of Zakhina and halakhah of an old woman?
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  It's it's that anyone that calls her now, in those days they
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  would call her IMA. Nowadays we call her Safta or
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  Babi or and or whatever grandma whatever it is in front of her.
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  And because she's of a certain age, she's not embarrassed.
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  Now all the posts can point out nowadays that terminology of
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  calling her IMA was only for an older woman.
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  Nowadays it's normal. I don't know if it's common or
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  not common depending on your circles, but you could be 4045
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  and be called and being called a Safta or a Babi and in fact you
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  might enjoy that. Just the opposite of being
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  embarrassed. So the postgame say nowadays
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  most postgame say the age of 60 or some say 58 or whatever.
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  Whatever you whatever you follow.
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  We don't consider a woman Missulakit Dameem until she
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  reaches an older age and but again, it's not 100% clear what
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  it is. But anyways, that's what most
• 23:00
  post scheme will say. And so there's and also just I
• 23:05
  mean, we know that in those days it seemed to just, I don't know,
• 23:10
  some point out, it seemed to stop more or less cold Turkey.
• 23:13
  But nowadays maybe not. But nowadays for sure, we know
• 23:16
  it usually goes, it's it's slows down the cycle because maybe
• 23:20
  goes from every month to every other month, then every 3rd
• 23:23
  month. But anyways, whatever it is,
• 23:26
  maybe we'll we'll let's do Lamid and then maybe we'll stop.
• 23:31
  I guess Khazra Verata, Dina Kedin Tinokich, Shilohigi,
• 23:36
  Azman, Alirat, right. So she sees once, so then it
• 23:45
  doesn't matter, she's still messu like a dummy and she
• 23:47
  doesn't have to check or worry at all.
• 23:51
  I'm trying to think if we should do one more until she sees three
• 23:54
  times, but she hasn't done a messu like it.
• 23:56
  OK fine. I think we'll just stop.