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- 0:00This is the story of how in just ten days, Open AI went from
- 0:03being close to its biggest acquisition in history and being
- 0:06able to truly compete in the AI coding arena, to being beaten by
- 0:11Elon Musk and Grock's new large language model, losing most of
- 0:15its AI researchers and watching the company it tried to acquire
- 0:20get bought out by Google instead in what has been coined the
- 0:24biggest acquisition in history. To see how we got here, let's go
- 0:27back just a few weeks. This is In the Loop with Jack
- 0:30Horton. I hope you enjoy the show.
- 0:43So this started in May 2025 when Sam Altman and Open AI made what
- 0:48appeared to be potentially quite a clever and ambitious
- 0:51acquisition of Winsurf AI, which is a coding platform.
- 0:56This would have been the largest Open AI acquisition to date,
- 0:58about $3 billion. So a huge sum of money.
- 1:01Many people called it overpriced, many people called
- 1:04it clever. But now we never really get to
- 1:07see whether that bet paid off. Now, it's really important not
- 1:10to forget how important the AI coding industry is to these big
- 1:14players because it's one of the most successful areas of the
- 1:18world where AI has been adopted and people are paying huge sums
- 1:21of money for it. And competition over the last 12
- 1:24months has become crazy. So Cursor just raised about 900
- 1:28million dollars, $10 billion valuation.
- 1:31And Anthropic has been positioning Cloud four as
- 1:35basically the best coding tool in the world.
- 1:36And they have literally been adopted by every major coding
- 1:39platform like livable Cursor Replit as the base underlying
- 1:44large language model. And so for Open AI, the
- 1:47acquisition made quite a lot of sense.
- 1:49First, it would obviously bring agent based coding directly into
- 1:53their platform by integrating much of the Windsurf technology
- 1:57into the Chatcher BT technology. You know apparently Windsurf had
- 2:01won a lot of major enterprise customers, you know Dell, JP
- 2:04Morgan and they had about $40 million in ARR, so annualized
- 2:09recurring revenue and the company had raised over $200
- 2:12million and reached about a $1.25 billion valuation just
- 2:162020 follow them. So again, it made some sense to
- 2:19acquire and build this into their product.
- 2:22Second, it would close what has been described by many as a big
- 2:26feature gap from the likes of Open AI.
- 2:28Because startups like Windsurf and rivals like Cursor, we're
- 2:32offering developers much better experiences on their product.
- 2:35Again, don't forget how important it is to have the
- 2:37developer community using your technology in large language
- 2:41models to build AI applications. Third, it was what could be
- 2:45described as quite a defensive play as well because it
- 2:47prevented competitors like Google or others acquiring the
- 2:50technology and trying to do the exact same.
- 2:53So this is when things went South
- 3:05under Open AI's existing partnership with Microsoft.
- 3:09As you may know, Microsoft owned about 49% of the company and are
- 3:13one of its main funders. Well, under that agreement, all
- 3:17the rights to Open AI's technology goes to Microsoft.
- 3:21So Microsoft is allowed to use any of the open AI technology
- 3:24developed, which would have also meant any acquisitions they
- 3:27made. Meaning Microsoft would
- 3:29automatically get access to all of Winsurf's proprietary
- 3:32technology. Something that the founders of
- 3:35Winsurf, as you can imagine, were vehemently against.
- 3:39Because from Windsor's perspective, Microsoft was an
- 3:43existential threat. Their product, GitHub copilot,
- 3:46was quite literally one of their number one competitors.
- 3:48So being acquired by a big company without any IP
- 3:51protection rights was a big no no for the founders.
- 3:54And from Microsoft's perspective, how could they let
- 3:57one of their partners buy a company that would take away its
- 4:02main coding product or could take away it's main main coding
- 4:05product? Because GitHub Copilot is $10 a
- 4:08user and they've got millions of users.
- 4:09Now, according to many reports, Open AI did attempt to negotiate
- 4:14a carve out that would basically exempt Windsurf's IP from any of
- 4:18these agreements, but Microsoft completely refused.
- 4:21The idea kind of came at a bad time for Open AI because
- 4:25Microsoft and Open AI are in the midst of a new partnership
- 4:29agreement on what the future of their their partnership looks
- 4:32like. And any budget from Microsoft in
- 4:35those negotiations could mean further budgets in other deal
- 4:38terms. So again, Open AI and Microsoft
- 4:42weren't budging because from Microsoft's perspective, the
- 4:44stance made sense. They don't want to give away
- 4:46potential. Now a lot of this has got quite
- 4:49tense as you can imagine because according to Axios, Open AI even
- 4:53were considering what's described as a nuclear option,
- 4:56which is accusing Microsoft of antitrust violations as part of
- 5:00their broader agreement that was happening.
- 5:03As I said at the same time, again, the antitrust part being
- 5:07you are threatening our business success in favor of yours.
- 5:11So the windsurf situation got a lot worse in June because
- 5:14Anthropic then decided to cut off access to Windsurf's usage
- 5:19of its coding model. Again, Anthropic who is part
- 5:23owned by the likes of Google and Amazon.
- 5:25And again, don't forget that the cloud models were by a mile
- 5:28developers favorite model to use all because Anthropic said if
- 5:31they were going to become part of the open AI ecosystem, then
- 5:35all access to their models were turned off.
- 5:37So here's the next part in that big story, which is I guess the
- 5:40entrance of Google, because open AI is exclusive negotiation
- 5:43window ended in July 2025 and the dealer officially collapsed.
- 5:48And within days of that happening, Google DeepMind
- 5:51basically has executed what's been described as one of the
- 5:54biggest acquisitions in history by essentially, instead of
- 5:58purchasing Windsurf, acquiring their technology through a
- 6:01licensing agreement and hiring all of Windsurfers team and
- 6:05bringing them into the fold of DeepMind.
- 6:07So Google's AI Lab. And Google announced that it
- 6:10hired the CEO of Windsurf as well as several top engineers to
- 6:15come directly into the Deepmine team and lead the AI coding
- 6:19division within the Gemini so language model, Gemini's
- 6:23department. Now, this is super clever by
- 6:25Google. Rather than acquiring it for say
- 6:27$3 billion like Open Eye had negotiated, Google paid about
- 6:31$2.4 billion for what's called a non exclusive license to
- 6:35Windsurf's technology, which basically means that other
- 6:38people can use the technology, but they have a license to it.
- 6:42And this covered a multi year compensation for all the staff
- 6:45that they hired. And the reason this is so clever
- 6:48is because they're not taking an equity stake in the platform
- 6:53Windsurf itself. They essentially enabled
- 6:56Windsurf to remain independent, keep innovating, but from
- 7:01Google's perspective, avoided any regulatory scrutiny because
- 7:05every time a big tech giant pays $3 billion for another product,
- 7:09they typically then get investigated.
- 7:11Now, if this wasn't bad enough for the likes of Open Eye, who'd
- 7:13have made a huge bet like spending $3 billion on a big
- 7:16company isn't just this small decision that happens in a few
- 7:18weeks. It's a very long process, and to
- 7:22make matters worse, over the last 10 days Open AI had had a
- 7:25series of unfortunate events happen in the world.
- 7:38Because if that hadn't really annoyed Sam Altman enough, Elon
- 7:43Musk then launched the XA is latest Grok model.
- 7:48Now, you may have seen this all over the news.
- 7:49I nearly did this entire episode on that single model release,
- 7:52but I thought it'd be interesting to wrap it into this
- 7:55discussion too. Because Elon Musk's XAI, just
- 7:58two days before this announcement of the windsurf
- 8:00situation, launched what's called Grok 4, which is a model
- 8:03that has surpassed even GPTS to open a eyes.
- 8:06Best models across a number of the most respected benchmarks
- 8:11and even independent benchmarks. And now arguably and
- 8:14technically, it is the best large language model in the
- 8:16world, which to me is just hilarious and it's madness.
- 8:20You know it posted best in class scores across coding reasoning
- 8:25math almost everything apart from things like speed and cost
- 8:28in which it is more expensive and slower than in terms of its
- 8:31responses than other models. An independent evaluators
- 8:34confirm that XA is claims were justified because the
- 8:38benchmarking project artificial analysis reported that its
- 8:42overall model performance surpassed both Gemini 2.5 and
- 8:46all of Open A is best offerings. And obviously, as you can
- 8:50imagine, Elon Musk wasn't modest about the achievements as he
- 8:53said it's the smartest AI in the world.
- 8:55And basically he's the best and the greatest of course.
- 8:58But he actually credited Grock's performance with what's called a
- 9:02tool integrated reasoning. So the ability to use tools and
- 9:05do reasoning, much like the open AI models, to be honest, but
- 9:09actually one of the biggest training runs.
- 9:11So 2.4 trillion parameter scale training data and training runs
- 9:17for for that incredible frontier performance and the fact that
- 9:20open AI don't really have a response.
- 9:21There's a lot of noise and complaints about the fact that
- 9:24GPT 5 still isn't out and there's not much news about it.
- 9:27And apparently Open AI haven't spent 18 months trying to get
- 9:31this right and hundreds of $1,000,000 on at least two
- 9:34training runs for GPT 5 to only find the results underwhelming.
- 9:38Again, it's just more bad news for open AI.
- 9:52Now obviously these two things are very annoying for the likes
- 9:54of Sam Altman and Open AI, but to make matters worse, and yes
- 9:58it does get worse, in just the span of 20-30 days, Meta.
- 10:03So Zuckerberg has poached over 20 Senior Open AI researchers in
- 10:08what can only be described as probably the most aggressive
- 10:12talent heist ever. So at the end of June, on June
- 10:1526th, the Wall Street Journal reported that Meta but snapped
- 10:19up open AI's vision researchers. So those researchers that are a
- 10:23key part of making language models understand things in the
- 10:26world. The people behind much of the
- 10:29voice work, also the image pipeline and even the O3 model
- 10:35creators as well. And Zuckerberg has called this
- 10:37the Super intelligence lab. Now, Sam Altman told Reuters
- 10:40that Mehta was offering a signing up package of up to $100
- 10:44million for attracting these Meta researchers.
- 10:46And yes, you heard that right, $100 million signing on bonus.
- 10:50And arguably the real draw outside of the $100 million,
- 10:53which is a big draw, is the promise of basically limited
- 10:56resources, access to the very best training hardware for AI
- 11:00models, plus unlimited freedom from any corporate constraints.
- 11:05This is basically a team that can do whatever they want.
- 11:08They've don't have to worry about consumer products and
- 11:11revenue, they've just been tasked with building a model
- 11:14that beats everything in the world.
- 11:16Open source weights and move really fast.
- 11:21So again, no consumer road map to build for, no Microsoft
- 11:25vetoing power that drives the researchers up the wall, No
- 11:29budget committees to convince. Just pure research backed by
- 11:33unlimited compute, which to researchers trying to create AGI
- 11:38and incredible things must be incredibly attractive.
- 11:50So what does this all really mean?
- 11:52Well, the talent exodus probably couldn't have come at a worst
- 11:55time for open AI. They've just lost a load of
- 11:57their best researchers who were the architects of Open A is most
- 12:01important products over the last few years.
- 12:05The narrative damage to Open AI after Google snatched up
- 12:09Windsurf is incredibly negative and just a failure to acquire
- 12:14this company because of Microsoft only probably shines a
- 12:16light on future conflicts and tensions with the Microsoft Open
- 12:20AI partnership. And for the first time ever
- 12:23since Chatt GPT launched, Open AI looks more vulnerable not
- 12:27just to, I guess specific competitive threats, but to a
- 12:32fundamental erosion of its competitive advantages.
- 12:35Having the best models, the best researchers, the best people.
- 12:39It still however has the most users, but again, things like
- 12:42that can change really quick. Anyway, that's my deep dive into
- 12:47the Open AI saga and I hope that was interesting.
- 12:49Otherwise, I'll see you next week.