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Guest Host Christina P. Kantzavelos interviews Alanna Brennan · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson.
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  Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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  Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, My name is Christina Consalvlos and I'm a
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  Speaker 2: guest host for The Trauma Therapist Podcast by Guy McPherson,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm super stoked to interview.
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  Speaker 3: Alana Brennan today. Hello Alana, welcome on. Hi Christina, Thank
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  Speaker 3: you so much for having me, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course, and before we started what Before I started recording,
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about the way in which I found
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  Speaker 2: you is through your post in activating the voice and
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  Speaker 2: especially for those with chronic illness.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd love for you to.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us how you personally got to this point of
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  Speaker 2: this being a healing modality for you and for your clients.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wrapped my first workshop series for women
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  Speaker 4: with chronic illness and Exploring the Voice last night, so
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  Speaker 4: this is the perfect time to talk about this. For me,
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  Speaker 4: this journey was pretty organic. I grew up in a
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  Speaker 4: musical family. My mom's a vocalist, my dad side of
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  Speaker 4: the family had a lot of musicians. I grew up
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  Speaker 4: with music as a big part of my culture, and
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  Speaker 4: I love to sing, but my voice was kind of
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  Speaker 4: like stuck in the back of my throat.
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  Speaker 3: It was very like frog sounding almost.
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  Speaker 4: And through my journey with chronic illness, as many of us,
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  Speaker 4: when we start when our bodies start to fail, it
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  Speaker 4: might be the first time in your life where you
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  Speaker 4: have to set some boundaries for yourself. So as a
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  Speaker 4: woman growing up as a people pleaser, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: put everybody else first.
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  Speaker 3: I thought of everyone's emotions before my own.
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  Speaker 4: And then once I started this journey with nerve pain
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  Speaker 4: and mole toxicity and all these things, I had to
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  Speaker 4: start saying no. And it was very interesting what happened
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  Speaker 4: because I started speaking up for myself, which was really
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  Speaker 4: scary and induced a lot of guilt. But as I
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  Speaker 4: started to do that, my singing voice changed. So I
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  Speaker 4: had done technical training in the past, but at this
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  Speaker 4: point in my life, I wasn't doing any training. I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't even singing very much, but I was starting to
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  Speaker 4: say no. I was starting to set boundaries, and all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden, one day it was like I could
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  Speaker 4: like belt, like adele, and I was like, WHOA, where
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  Speaker 4: did that come from? Like this is so interesting, there's
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  Speaker 4: something here, and that's kind of led me on this
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  Speaker 4: journey to become a voice coach and tie in the
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  Speaker 4: somatic piece of not just you know, training yourself to
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  Speaker 4: sing with the mind, but how can you teach your
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  Speaker 4: body that it's safe enough to speak up and how
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  Speaker 4: that actually changes your muscles and your physiology. So it's
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  Speaker 4: been this really cool journey of self discovery that I'm
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  Speaker 4: so passionate about helping other people with.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure so many people listening can relate to this,
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  Speaker 2: right the people pleasing and realizing that, oh, I need
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  Speaker 2: to start setting boundaries, right because at some point the
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  Speaker 2: body begins saying no for us when we don't.
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  Speaker 3: Say no for it, and we continue.
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  Speaker 2: To press that override button of like, oh but it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay, I can do it this one time.
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  Speaker 3: They really need my help.
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  Speaker 2: I need to underlining theme rescue save them consistently. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: our bodies will start to break down if we're also
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  Speaker 2: not taking good care of ourselves at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: And I know in my own breakdown, if you will.
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  Speaker 2: That is when I had to reclaim my voice. That
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  Speaker 2: is when I had to start saying no. Finally, this
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  Speaker 2: isn't an alignment and trusting that the yes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the yes is.
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  Speaker 3: To the things that were in alignment would come. And
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  Speaker 3: they did.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also a lot of grief right on that
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  Speaker 2: route of saying no with a lot of people benefit
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  Speaker 2: from you saying yes, from you being a people pleaser.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious, like, what has that looked like for
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  Speaker 2: you and for the clients you've worked with on this
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  Speaker 2: path of boundaries of creating boundaries.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the truth, we can think of chronic illness as
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  Speaker 4: a lifetime of unspoken nos, and there's such a correlation
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  Speaker 4: and there's been data that's come out about those repressed
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  Speaker 4: emotions and how we internalize them and they become chronic illness.
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  Speaker 4: So on the journey of like reclaiming our power, you know,
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  Speaker 4: usually we swing the.
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  Speaker 3: Pendulum the other way.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of times when we start to say no,
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  Speaker 4: it's like eruption. So I see, I saw that within
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  Speaker 4: myself and my clients a lot, where it's like people
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  Speaker 4: went from never speaking up for themselves to like blowing
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  Speaker 4: up at their boss at work or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: and having grace and compassion for yourself. That that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of part of the journey, is like the lifetime of
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  Speaker 4: unspoken nose kind of starts like a volcano, and then
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  Speaker 4: we feel so guilty after because as a people pleaser,
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  Speaker 4: it's like, oh my gosh, but I love the quote
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  Speaker 4: I was taught to keep the piece until I realized
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  Speaker 4: whose piece I was keeping. And so it's really checking
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  Speaker 4: in with like, that's great, you don't want to hurt
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  Speaker 4: other people, but are you hurting yourself? And your body
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  Speaker 4: is telling you, through chronic illness or pain that yes,
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  Speaker 4: I am hurting myself by keeping this inside.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's so so true, and it's something you know,
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  Speaker 2: I really had to learn for myself, and like codependence
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  Speaker 2: anonymous for those who don't know, it's one of it's
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  Speaker 2: a twelve step program and it's it could it could
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  Speaker 2: easily be called people pleasers anonymous and understanding this survival
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  Speaker 2: response that's no different than fight or flight.
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  Speaker 3: There's a freeze response and there's the fawning response.
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  Speaker 2: Where you know it feels safer to quote unquote keep
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  Speaker 2: the peace than it does to essentially speak your truth
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  Speaker 2: and live live authentically. But in doing so, it's really
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  Speaker 2: not sustainable because you're keeping your body in a fight
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  Speaker 2: or flight state, which is continuously releasing cortisol, which in
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  Speaker 2: fact is impacting your nervous system and your immune system functions.
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  Speaker 2: When we think about, like you know, someone listening, wait,
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  Speaker 2: how does this, what does this have to do with
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  Speaker 2: chronic illness?
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  Speaker 3: I'm so I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 2: In not living authentically and speaking your truth, you in
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  Speaker 2: fact are not able to listen to and to some
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  Speaker 2: degree honor your body and what it's asking you for.
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  Speaker 3: So your body starts speaking loudly if you will.
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  Speaker 2: It starts as I say, it starts as a whisper
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  Speaker 2: before it turns into a screen, and eventually it can
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  Speaker 2: start screaming aka turning into various symptoms or autoimmune diseases,
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  Speaker 2: or pain physical.
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  Speaker 3: Pain in the body.
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  Speaker 2: It can manifest in so many different ways. But also
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  Speaker 2: in I remember reading bringing up doctor Gebori Matte, when
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  Speaker 2: the body says no, he says often what he sees,
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  Speaker 2: and you just spoke to this is this rage that
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  Speaker 2: comes up first, like just complete and uttering.
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  Speaker 3: It's that pendulum swinging to that other side. You were
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  Speaker 3: over here and now just.
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  Speaker 2: Swine to this side, and it's actually a very healthy response,
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  Speaker 2: like it's nothing to be afraid of. It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're here, we can we well, we're going to find
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  Speaker 2: the middle path. We need to start someplace. This is
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  Speaker 2: you kind of cracking the shell if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, anger shows us where our boundaries are being crossed.
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  Speaker 4: And our culture has really taught us, especially as a woman,
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  Speaker 4: that there's no place for you to be angry. There's
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  Speaker 4: no place and so in voice, in the voice work
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  Speaker 4: I do, that is like a safe outlet where you
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  Speaker 4: can let the anger out and express And whether that
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  Speaker 4: needs to be like a scream into your pillow or
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  Speaker 4: I do a lot of work with toning humming, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a way to move the energy, which you know,
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  Speaker 4: the breath starts in the belly and it rises all
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  Speaker 4: the way up and out the throat.
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  Speaker 3: That's our channel for release. So yeah, we.
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  Speaker 4: Need to find healthy ways to express our anger. It's
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  Speaker 4: very important. You know, it doesn't have to be once.
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  Speaker 4: Once you start working with anger, instead of just trying
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  Speaker 4: to hold it in until you erupt, there are ways
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  Speaker 4: to express it in a more healthy way or to
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  Speaker 4: feel seen and heard in a group like I do
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  Speaker 4: a workshops with with groups where we can feel validated
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  Speaker 4: and seen and heard in our chronic illness because that's
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  Speaker 4: so important. And yeah, I think it's like a lifetime
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  Speaker 4: of not listening to your body when we get into
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  Speaker 4: that chronic pain and chronic illness, and we're so programmed
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  Speaker 4: by society that we might not even know we're not
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  Speaker 4: listening or that we're not in truth. But disease means disase, right,
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  Speaker 4: so we're not in alignment with our authentic truth. We
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  Speaker 4: just might have been taught that it's not safe to
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  Speaker 4: be that person or you shouldn't be that person.
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  Speaker 3: But I, yeah, I really believe the body is trying
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  Speaker 3: to get our attention and bring us back into alignment. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a thousand percent. And there's there's this belief.
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  Speaker 2: That feeling angry or just anger in general is not
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  Speaker 2: it's like not an ethical feeling. Like everything else is
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  Speaker 2: kind of acceptable, but this but this feeling, when in fact,
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  Speaker 2: it's just as important. It's part you know, it's part
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  Speaker 2: of the spectrum of emotions. And when we don't like,
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  Speaker 2: when we don't feel it, we don't heal it, and
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  Speaker 2: it does go somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's stor to me, it's stored in the nervous system.
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  Speaker 2: And you know we're saying now, maybe the body doesn't
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  Speaker 2: keep the score exactly, however, I believe the nervous system,
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  Speaker 2: the nervous system does. And for those for those listening
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  Speaker 2: or watching who are interested, okay, like I want to
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  Speaker 2: feel my feelings, you know, with especially anger, Like this
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  Speaker 2: isn't something I'm I mean, I know, for so long
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  Speaker 2: I was, I was so uncomfortable with my own anger
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  Speaker 2: that I would say I don't experience anger.
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  Speaker 3: I would, I would, I would verbalize this to many people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what anger feels like. I've
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  Speaker 2: never punched a pillow. Like my idea of what expressing
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  Speaker 2: anger was didn't exist in my repertoire until I really
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  Speaker 2: started doing this healing right and getting in touch with
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  Speaker 2: this emotion. So for for those listening, what are ways
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  Speaker 2: in which someone could a get in touch.
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  Speaker 3: With that emotion and be express it.
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  Speaker 2: And something I've read that I believe too, is that
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  Speaker 2: the that the opposite of depression is expression.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love to kind of take it back into
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  Speaker 4: the history of how we've.
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  Speaker 3: Gotten to where we've gotten.
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  Speaker 4: So we know that eighty percent of autoimmune cases are
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  Speaker 4: in women. And if we look back at our mother's generation,
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  Speaker 4: grandmother's great grandmothers, you know, how have we gotten here
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  Speaker 4: to this point where we feel so unsafe to express Well,
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  Speaker 4: it was, it wasn't safe.
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  Speaker 3: It was you were risking your life to speak up.
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  Speaker 3: You were risking your life to get angry when you lived.
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  Speaker 4: In a male dominated world where your husband could you know,
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  Speaker 4: send you to a hospital and give you a lobotomy
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  Speaker 4: if you were hysterical, which means uterus, right, So they're
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  Speaker 4: that trauma of speaking up as a woman lives in
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  Speaker 4: ourselves and so remembering that that feeling that you're feeling
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  Speaker 4: could go back multiple generations.
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  Speaker 3: So you're healing not just for you, but for many generations.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a big job.
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  Speaker 4: That's a big job, So don't expect for it to
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  Speaker 4: happen overnight kind of thing. Yeah, definitely, Like somatic movement, dance,
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  Speaker 4: breath toning, chanting. I do a lot of work with
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  Speaker 4: just simple vowel tones in my workshops because they give
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  Speaker 4: you like an acoustic inner massage and stimulate the vagus
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  Speaker 4: nerve and all the connective tissue going from your throat
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  Speaker 4: all the way down to your womb. So if they're interested,
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  Speaker 4: I have a couple free sound meditations on my website,
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  Speaker 4: Wombreclamation dot com where you can just start with a gentle.
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  Speaker 3: Hum and tone.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, finding a place to express I know some
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  Speaker 4: people who go to like the shooting ranges or a
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  Speaker 4: bad engage too.
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  Speaker 3: Right, It's like there are places that you can go where, hey, everyone.
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  Speaker 4: Else is doing this here, so that you don't take
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  Speaker 4: it out on your kid or your dog or or
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  Speaker 4: however it comes out. Because if we don't let it out,
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  Speaker 4: it's just going to explode, which I've done to people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm human. And the more we can start to work
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  Speaker 3: with that anger instead of try to repress.
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  Speaker 4: It, the more, yeah, the easier it gets, and just
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  Speaker 4: honoring it.
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  Speaker 3: This is a big job.
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  Speaker 4: This is like the first time in history for a
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  Speaker 4: long time where it's been safe for women to express.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like this is so many of us are the
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  Speaker 2: first generation that has the privilege, aka the safety to
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  Speaker 2: go there within themselves and feel like healthfully safely feel
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  Speaker 2: their feelings and be witnessed by someone else who's telling
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  Speaker 2: them guidy them, it's okay you know you're not alone
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  Speaker 2: in this. You're still in your power. This does not
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  Speaker 2: make you weaker or more vulnerable. You're not going to
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  Speaker 2: lose you know, your house, your estates, your your marriage,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, and I'm not saying in all cases,
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  Speaker 2: but historically, right this was, this was the case sometimes
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  Speaker 2: like there was there was a real fear even being
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  Speaker 2: you know, we go back in time even being on
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  Speaker 2: the stake, like if you if you spoke up as
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  Speaker 2: a woman, think of the witch trials and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we.
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  Speaker 2: Carry this, this wounding for so long, and it's important
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  Speaker 2: for us to look at the history, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: because there's there's compassion there of like, Okay, this is why,
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  Speaker 2: and this is also why I'm choosing to change this.
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  Speaker 2: This ends with me, and I feel I feel so
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  Speaker 2: grateful and again privileged to be able to heal this,
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  Speaker 2: to feel this so that the next generations don't have
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  Speaker 2: to go through what I went through.
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  Speaker 3: So there's something really beautiful in that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious, like in your in your work, even
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  Speaker 2: within yourself and with others, what transformations have you seen
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  Speaker 2: in people's mental healths and their physical healths?
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  Speaker 3: Like overall, what what have you witnessed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and really amazing to see a change in
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  Speaker 4: my own physiology. So, like I talked about with my story,
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  Speaker 4: how when I started setting boundaries, my throat opened up
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  Speaker 4: and my pelvis relaxed. So I've seen the physiological change
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  Speaker 4: within my clients of dropping into their body more, opening
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  Speaker 4: more when they start to speak up for themselves and
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  Speaker 4: speak their truth because they are becoming that protector that
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  Speaker 4: they needed or making, They're making space for themselves, and
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  Speaker 4: then the body relaxes and opens. That has definitely been
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  Speaker 4: the coolest thing. And then also, yeah, I mean your
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  Speaker 4: life can change, which we talked about. Your relationships can shift,
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  Speaker 4: which can be hard at first. You can lose people,
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  Speaker 4: but you come into more alignment with who you really are.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a journey that isn't for the faint of heart,
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  Speaker 4: but it's so worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I say, what's the alternative right of keeping
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  Speaker 2: keeping the mask on?
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  Speaker 3: And I know there's this fear of.
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  Speaker 2: Losing losing people, but are you really losing people if
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  Speaker 2: they aren't in alignment with you and don't don't want
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  Speaker 2: the best for you? In terms of you know, what
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  Speaker 2: is authentic? What does what does feel like? Your truth,
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  Speaker 2: what does feel right? And I think you'd also mentioned
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  Speaker 2: like your cortisol dropping too right, and I know for myself,
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  Speaker 2: like my h, I actually I used to have hypo hypothyroid,
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  Speaker 2: and I know I no longer meet criteria after doing
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  Speaker 2: more voice voice work and just just deep medicine work
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  Speaker 2: in general, but really just stepping into my my nose
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  Speaker 2: to give space for yeses that art that are right,
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  Speaker 2: that do feel right. How has your chronic illness shifted
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  Speaker 2: since this work?
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  Speaker 3: I've become a lot more aware of where I.
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  Speaker 4: Was making choices that exacerbated my symptoms unless I'm a
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  Speaker 4: victim that the symptoms are happening too. So yeah, we
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  Speaker 4: are often making our own symptoms worse, whether it's pain
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  Speaker 4: or illness, by pushing ourselves, by saying yes to things
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  Speaker 4: that our body can't handle.
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  Speaker 3: That's a deep program, right.
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  Speaker 4: And so my symptoms got better when I started listening
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  Speaker 4: to my own body, not necessarily when I did a
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  Speaker 4: certain protocol and started really taking authority and accountability of like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I made that choice to do that thing that really
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  Speaker 4: set me backwards, because I was very much trying to
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  Speaker 4: heal fast and get back to my old life and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of my clients are the same, like hyperindependent
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  Speaker 4: masculine woman and just want to charge right through and
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  Speaker 4: that that did not work. And so a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the women that come to me are in the same
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  Speaker 4: boat where they've they've done it all, they've held the
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  Speaker 4: family together, never really thought about themselves, and now.
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  Speaker 3: The body is demanding it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's learning
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  Speaker 3: to listen.
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  Speaker 4: And I just wanted to add on the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the lowering cortisol with the voice. There's been studies shown
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  Speaker 4: that it scientifically lowers cortisol, lowers your heart rate, and
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  Speaker 4: increases oxytocin, which is a woman that's our main regulating hormone.
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  Speaker 4: So toning or just humming while you're doing your dishes
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  Speaker 4: can really bring you back into your body when we
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  Speaker 4: start to spin out into the head. And the power
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  Speaker 4: of doing it in a group with other people. If
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  Speaker 4: you've ever done a yoga class and everybody owns together,
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  Speaker 4: like there's just something so that like somatic that you
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  Speaker 4: can feel about the healing power of making sound together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, It's so true. Humming is incredibly healing.
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  Speaker 2: There was I was reading a study someone humming to
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  Speaker 2: themselves and healing their I think it was like sinocitis.
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  Speaker 3: Makes sense. Yeah, and a vibrations coming right through here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you can give yourself an.
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  Speaker 4: Internal acoustic massage so that the voice is connected to
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  Speaker 4: the fascia and the vagas.
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  Speaker 3: System all the way through your body.
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  Speaker 4: So you can feel the vibration and give yourself a
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  Speaker 4: little internal massage and it.
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  Speaker 3: Will bring you it'll drop you out of your head.
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  Speaker 4: I never was very good at meditating in silence, but
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  Speaker 4: I can really get into it in the chanting, in
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  Speaker 4: the singing. So there's a lot of different ways to meditate,
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  Speaker 4: and this is just one one way that we can
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  Speaker 4: explore our voice. And maybe if you don't feel safe
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  Speaker 4: enough yet to stand up to your boss, you could
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  Speaker 4: start singing in the.
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  Speaker 3: Shower, like it's a way to start activating that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great way to get into a parasympathetic
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  Speaker 2: rest and repair, rest and digest response aka out of
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  Speaker 2: fight or flight chronic stress response.
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  Speaker 3: Start humming, start singing, you will you will feel and
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  Speaker 3: sense sense of difference. Same with dance, right anything.
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  Speaker 2: Somatic emotions are energy and motions, so we can use
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  Speaker 2: we can use the voice, we use the body. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's fun to just simply play around with how that
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  Speaker 2: feels in your body, since everyone's body is different, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I think you touched on you know another important piece,
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  Speaker 2: which is that for our nervous system as woman, it's oxytocin.
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  Speaker 3: Is the magic that recently kind of came out, like
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  Speaker 3: within the.
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  Speaker 2: Last year or so, right that we learn that because
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  Speaker 2: there haven't been a ton of studies done on us,
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  Speaker 2: on us ladies for various reasons.
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  Speaker 4: No, so we've been doing them on our own bodies, right,
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  Speaker 4: like for our own journeys with chronic illness. I learned that,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: But it's like, yeah, that would have been nice to
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: know and beforehand, because I was trying to do it
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: like a man and biohack and yeah, eat all the
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: right things and detox and it did not work.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Why aren't the cold plunges working for me? Yeah?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so it's really interesting how that's been
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  Speaker 2: the case for so many of us on our healing
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  Speaker 2: journeys and what doing things in a group looks like
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and really popping into oxy that oxytocin very very important
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and even.
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  Speaker 4: If it's an online like I'm going to be offering
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  Speaker 4: another workshop series online for chronic illness. I'm huge believer
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  Speaker 4: in person events and I do a lot of those,
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  Speaker 4: but just to find your people and feel heard, even
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: if you find someone in a different city but they
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: have the same illness as you, that's so regulating if
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: you're feeling really alone in your journey. And that's why
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I started doing what I'm doing because I just felt
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: so isolated and alone and started creating spaces where we
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: can come together and you have you can just sit
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: with each other because you get it totally.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You don't have to give each other subtitles. And I
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: think too with I know in my chronic illness journey,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I mean I was couch bound and bed bound, so
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like physically getting somewhere was a lot, and having an
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: online community was a big aspect of my healing because
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I felt less isolated and comforted in knowing, hey, I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: not the only person doing this, and also adding on
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: to that, ensuring that the people you're surrounding yourself with
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: also have the same goal of healing of what you're
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: also seeking. Because some of these Facebook groups I know
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I had to get out of because we're so solution
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: victim spiactally exactly like I think it's important to radically
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: accept where we are whilst also reaching for something that
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: could look or feel feel better in that in that
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  Speaker 2: belief work. So it's it's really important to find the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: group that feels like truly in alignment, like yes, these
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: are these are my people.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: We're heading in the same direction. Yeah. And I think
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: one of the biggest shifts for me and any mpaths.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Or people please are listening subconsciously, even without thinking. I
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: was always focused on how can I support others? And
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: this you know, journey with chronic illness for the past
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: five or six years.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I'm now who can support me?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: And that sounds selfish, but survival is selfish, and it's
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  Speaker 4: okay to go through a season where that is the
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: focus because if you're gonna heal that that's what it
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: has to be. Start start looking around, like who can
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: support me? Because chronic illness will show you who your
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: real friends are.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Really clear, it sure will.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, to some degree, the codependence piece and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: people pleasing piece has a selfish element to it, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you're like, wait, how you're doing everything for everyone else? However,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it's in order to create peace in your in your
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: own life. So there's an element of control, right this person,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: if this person is in good graces with me.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Or I'm in good graces of them, I am safe.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I needs met.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'm getting my met, you know, even if it's the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: cost of myself, even if it's disingenuous and not authentic.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So it's also interesting to to decondition and unravel that
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: for yourself. If that's a journey that you're on, it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: very it's a very interesting one, and I think I'll
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: be on it for a lifetime for sure.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: It's I totally agree with that. Yeah, there's definitely a
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: selfish aspect to codependentcy Like what No, It's like, hey,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: it's okay to have a selfish aspect to yourself and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: to have an angry aspect and a jealous like you
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: have to go into the darkness and learn to love
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: it exactly.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: We are mosaic pieces, and the colors that you adore
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: put on a pedestal, are you know, are that way
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: because of the other colors, Like they're all it's all interwoven, intertwined,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: they all give they all give color and brilliance to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: one another.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So tell us a loan.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: How can people like, how do you how are you
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: working with people right now, one on one in group
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: settings and how can people find you?
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can can.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Find me at Wombreclamation dot com. It's about reclaiming your
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: feminine power. The womb in the throat are so connected,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: which I teach about. So the services I offer are
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: chronic pain and somatic coaching, as well as voice coaching
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: and womb healing, which is a whole other mystery that
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: we haven't gotten into today, but as a as a woman,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: it's been really empowering and very much connects to the
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: voice work. So yeah, you can find me on wombreclamation
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: dot com. I have lots of events and workshops both
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: online and in person, and follow along on Instagram and
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Facebook at womb Reclamation.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And are you going to be offering another voice container
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: or series.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will definitely be doing My next chronic illness
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: series will be online, so that's great for anyone anywhere.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: That's going to come up in August, So you can
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: reach out to me if you're interested, and we meet
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: once a week for two hours and we talk about
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: chronic illness and everything we're talking about today, setting boundaries
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: and it's just a space to share and be with
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: other people that are going through what you're going through,
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: which is so important.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you for the powerful
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: work that you do. And if you can leave everyone
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: with just one thing today, what would that be? M.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I think it would be it is safe for you
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: to express yourself and you are the creator.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: MM and so really tuning into it's safe for me
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: to be myself.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: HM.
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  Speaker 3: Love that, love that. Thank you, Thank you so much
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: for having me Christina.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, chat you agreed, and yeah, everyone go check out
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Alana's work whenever you have a chance.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Setting everyone listening or walk change so much, love, so
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: much healing. Thank you for tuning. Take care, Bye bye