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Rand Paul-Led Senate Panel Votes to Hold Fauci in Contempt · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool next
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  Speaker 1: to Greg Corumbus of Radio America and Jim Garritty of
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  Speaker 1: National Review. Free martinis coming.
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  Speaker 2: Up, definitely, good, bad, and crazy today. The first one
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  Speaker 2: kind of a little bit mixed. Pretty good chaser if
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  Speaker 2: it actually amounts to anything. But we'll get to all
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  Speaker 2: of that in due time.
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  Speaker 3: Jim.
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  Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time, not only in the
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  Speaker 2: last few days, last few weeks, but really throughout this
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  Speaker 2: midterm election cycle talking about far left, really far left
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  Speaker 2: Democratic candidates. Some of them have massive personal issues, like
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  Speaker 2: Platinu up in Maine. Some of them are just way
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  Speaker 2: way out there on policy, whether it's Francesca Hang or
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  Speaker 2: a Dulsied. But one of the things that used to
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  Speaker 2: happen is that parties used to recruit candidates that quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote fit the district. So if it's a more conservative
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  Speaker 2: leaning district, obviously, if it's got a Republican incumbent, you
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  Speaker 2: probably don't want the furthest left person you can find.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and six and two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats kind of used this strategy, and to some
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  Speaker 2: extent they still are the problem is that their hand
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  Speaker 2: pick candidates aren't winning the primaries, and so now these
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  Speaker 2: DSA types and other radicals that really don't fit the
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  Speaker 2: districts have to try to win in these districts come November.
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  Speaker 2: And that could be good for Republicans if they play
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  Speaker 2: their cards right. The Washington Post is out with profiles
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  Speaker 2: briefly on some of these people. One of them's Matthew
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  Speaker 2: Dunlap up in Maine. You know, Maine's got that one
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  Speaker 2: congressional district that has voted for Trump three times, but no,
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  Speaker 2: they go with the far left guy in Maine. There's
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Randy Vegas in California who beat a
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  Speaker 2: more moderate D triple c endorsed candidate.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about Ami Shaw.
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  Speaker 2: He's the former Jets doctor who's now going up against
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  Speaker 2: the former Jets kicker in Arizona. He's considered too far
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  Speaker 2: left for that district. We'll see it's a pretty pretty
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  Speaker 2: competitive district. And another one we're going to profile here
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  Speaker 2: real quickly is William Lawrence. He won his seventh congressional
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  Speaker 2: district Democratic primary for Congress in Michigan two days ago. Again,
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  Speaker 2: this is a district that's not super far left, but
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  Speaker 2: that didn't stop William Lawrence from rallying the DSA types
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  Speaker 2: to his side. And now, of course, because he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to win a general election in a not super easy,
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  Speaker 2: deep blue district, he's got to pretend, well, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: really DSA. So here's one clip from his interview with
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  Speaker 2: Maney Raju on CNN yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: So did you let that membership expire because of the
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  Speaker 4: general election.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's just because I want to make clear to
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  Speaker 5: my constituents that I'm here to represent them.
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  Speaker 4: When did you leave the Democratic Socialists of America.
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  Speaker 5: It was within the last month I let my membership laps.
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  Speaker 2: So then okay, so you're not officially DSA at this
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  Speaker 2: very second. Where do you differ from the DSSA.
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  Speaker 4: But where do you differ from the Democratic Socialists of America.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to comment on any I'm
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  Speaker 5: happy to comment on any particular policy if you're of interest.
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  Speaker 5: But the point is is that, no, I'm an organizer
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  Speaker 5: and coalition builder, and we are laser focused on reaching
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  Speaker 5: all the voters across this district with an agenda which
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  Speaker 5: is really being built on the priorities we hear coming
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  Speaker 5: up locally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, coalition of radical leftists. The post also refers to
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  Speaker 2: a Democratic candidate named Manny A. Rottinel out in Colorado
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  Speaker 2: Big Ranching beef producing district. His main activism until running
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  Speaker 2: for Congress was animal rights activism and doing away with
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  Speaker 2: meat production.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm sure that'll fit perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, first rule of politics, don't run
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  Speaker 1: vegans in cattle districts. That just seems very basic politics.
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  Speaker 1: One on one, regarding William Lawrence, I'm very curious he's
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  Speaker 1: being He's on CNN being interviewed by Manu Raju, and
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  Speaker 1: Manu Raju asks where do you differ with the DSA?
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  Speaker 1: And he says, well, I can lay that out to
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  Speaker 1: you if you're of interest. Yes, that's why he answered.
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  Speaker 1: Why he asked the question, do you know where you are?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know whom? Do you think you just wandered
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  Speaker 1: into the studio and these cameras are here and you're
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  Speaker 1: on you know, put them through the concussion protocol? Do
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  Speaker 1: you know who you are? Do you know where you are?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what we're doing here? Because like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he just asked you, where do you differ from the DSA?
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  Speaker 1: And like, oh, well, if you're interested, I'll answer that
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  Speaker 1: question then do so what you know, perhaps not the
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  Speaker 1: sharpest knife in the drawer there. So what I found
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  Speaker 1: interesting about this Post column? Uh, as you know, listeners know,
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  Speaker 1: I write a column for the Post by Pravina Somasen
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  Speaker 1: Darum and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. In journalism,
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  Speaker 1: there's this phenomenon called the to be sure paragraph, where
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  Speaker 1: you've got a theory or you've got an idea, you
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  Speaker 1: want to write about it, but you know it's not
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  Speaker 1: a you know, one hundred percent chance this is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen, not a closed case, so you're right the
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  Speaker 1: to be sure this other thing could happen, or to
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  Speaker 1: be sure this candidate, who we're saying is very strong,
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  Speaker 1: faces these challenges. Blah blah blah. This is basically an
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  Speaker 1: entire column of to be sure on the conventional wisdom
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  Speaker 1: that the Democrat are going to win the House. And
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  Speaker 1: let's point out historically the president's party does badly in
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  Speaker 1: the midterms. Usually that involves losing the House. That happened
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, that happened in twenty eighteen, that
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  Speaker 1: did not happen in twenty fourteen because Republicans already had
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  Speaker 1: the House, but they ended up winning even more seats.
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  Speaker 1: It happened in twenty ten, and it happened in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, so like this is kind of normal,
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  Speaker 1: and as we know, Republicans have a very small majority there.
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  Speaker 1: With that said, and I think this column is pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: It lays out Republicans still have a ton of fundraising
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  Speaker 1: the redistricting process, like both this year's mid district redistrict
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  Speaker 1: and just in general, there are fewer competitive races than
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  Speaker 1: back in twenty ten or previous years where we've seen
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  Speaker 1: these big swings, so that would mitigate the number of
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  Speaker 1: gains that Democrats could have. Greg, you and I are
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  Speaker 1: old enough. We were not doing this podcast, but we're
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  Speaker 1: old enough to remember two thousand and six, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember being with my friend Marshall Manson who's now working
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  Speaker 1: out in the UK, but he came in with this
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  Speaker 1: like giant thick binder of every competitive House race and
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  Speaker 1: I'm on Cam Edwards program and at some point he says,
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  Speaker 1: Republicans just lost what I thought was the forty seventh
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  Speaker 1: most competitive district. It was just that kind of a
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  Speaker 1: bad year. You lose districts and you lose races. You
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  Speaker 1: don't even think we're going to be competitive in this,
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  Speaker 1: So it could be that bad. I suspect it will
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  Speaker 1: be not that bad, but this could still end up
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  Speaker 1: with a Democratic houseway. But I think it's very interesting
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  Speaker 1: the Post is pointing out, Hey, here's some counter evidence here,
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  Speaker 1: and who the Democrats have chosen to nominate is one
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  Speaker 1: of those factors that's going to mitigate it. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: could see really lousy candidates get swept up in a
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  Speaker 1: wave election. If the country is mad at the president,
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  Speaker 1: mad at the state of the country, med at Republicans,
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, so you might see a vegan win a
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  Speaker 1: in a cattle district or something like that. Not particularly likely,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not out of the realm of possibility. But
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  Speaker 1: having said that, the fact that the Post is putting
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  Speaker 1: out these kind of cautionary notes does say to me
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  Speaker 1: that maybe the conventional wisdom that we're on to some
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  Speaker 1: giant socialist revolution on election day no November not quite
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  Speaker 1: the done deal that I think a bunch of Democrats
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  Speaker 1: want to believe that it.
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  Speaker 2: Is now and I think you put your finger on it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in some of these districts and in some
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  Speaker 2: of these states now that we see the results in Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: You know, how does the race get defined. If it's
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  Speaker 2: about Trump, whose popularity in most cases is below forty percent,
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  Speaker 2: in some cases below thirty five percent, that's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be good for the Republican candidates. If it's how
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  Speaker 2: this Democrat is completely out of touch and completely wrong
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  Speaker 2: for this district, then the Republicans are going to do
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit better.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's why you're seeing the.
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  Speaker 2: Democrats try to coalesce here. And you know Gary Peters,
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  Speaker 2: who didn't want anything to do with that, dull lsayed,
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  Speaker 2: he endorsed Haley steven saying, oh, well, Donald Trump's the
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  Speaker 2: real opponent here.
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  Speaker 3: We got to get this taken care of.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to try, but I think there's enough stuff
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  Speaker 2: out there in this digital age that whether you're Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers or a Republican in one of these House districts,
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  Speaker 2: you can just pummel with the quotes from before they
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  Speaker 2: were the nominee all day long.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, you want your best players
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  Speaker 1: on the field, and in quite a few races, Democrats
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  Speaker 1: have not put their best players on the field.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, And so more primaries to go in fact, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: you're voting today. They vote on Thursdays in their primaries
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  Speaker 2: for some reason. But competitive governor's race, senate race, and
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  Speaker 2: you see says some competitive house races there.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what the results show there.
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  Speaker 2: a story we did just a few days ago, and
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  Speaker 2: this has to do with the number of munitions that
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  Speaker 2: we've got in the American arsenal. This is a serious
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  Speaker 2: story and the Washington Post is reporting on this as well,
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  Speaker 2: with a certain pushback from the White House on this characterization.
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  Speaker 2: But there was that Cabinet meeting over the weekend at
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  Speaker 2: Camp David, and.
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  Speaker 3: This is how the Post reports it.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of interceptor missiles is also altering how the
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  Speaker 2: US decides what other to employ munitions against an incoming
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  Speaker 2: threat based on where it's assessed to be heading and
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  Speaker 2: whether or not it's quote a factor the US official
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  Speaker 2: told The Washington Post a change in tactics that was
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  Speaker 2: first reported by NBC News at Camp David as he
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  Speaker 2: was confronted by Trump over the bear weapons stockpile. HeiG
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  Speaker 2: Seth defended himself and blamed his deputy, Stephen Finberg, for
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  Speaker 2: the shortages and for not ensuring Trump was fully apprised
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  Speaker 2: of the issue. The exchange underscored Trump's increasing frustration with
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  Speaker 2: his Defense secretary, who was one of the biggest early
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  Speaker 2: advocates for taking military action against Dran, convincing Trump it
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  Speaker 2: would be a quick and relatively easy win, according to
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  Speaker 2: multiple officials. However, quote this is one hundred percent fake news,
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  Speaker 2: literally never happened, and President Trump has the utmost confidence
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  Speaker 2: in Secretary Hegseth, says White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. So, Jim,
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  Speaker 2: I assume she means the conversation, not the numbers, although
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  Speaker 2: I guess you can parse that. However you like.
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  Speaker 3: What's your takeaway here?
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  Speaker 1: If this is an accurate story, Stephen Feidberg, we got
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  Speaker 1: for that bus oh oh, shoved right in front of
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  Speaker 1: it by Secretary Heigseth. Look, you and I have talked
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  Speaker 1: about this before on this podcast. I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that's troubling me is that the folks who
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  Speaker 1: are saying that the stockpiles are low, including the count
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  Speaker 1: by the folks over at csis they have specific numbers,
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  Speaker 1: or at least the best updated numbers they can get.
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  Speaker 1: Those who are saying we're fine, including Secretary Hegseth, including
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  Speaker 1: Chairman and Joint chiefs of Staff Dan Kane, are trust us,
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  Speaker 1: We're doing fine. We have adequate stockpiles, and one's got
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  Speaker 1: You know, when one side has a lot of specifics
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  Speaker 1: they're sighting and the other one doesn't and says trust us,
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  Speaker 1: I start to get a little bit nervous about that
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  Speaker 1: latter side there. The second thing is is that I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of feel like this is uh. We're noticing
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  Speaker 1: that the number of are being fired in response to
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  Speaker 1: these Iranian attacks and things like that are coming more,
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  Speaker 1: coming less frequently. We did delay that shipment to Taiwan.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing the sorts of moves that you'd expect the
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  Speaker 1: US to make if they were worried about their stockpile
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  Speaker 1: of air interceptors and other types of missiles. So look,
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  Speaker 1: if this is shaking out the way these names sources
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  Speaker 1: have told to the post, and hag Seth did say, look,
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  Speaker 1: it's my deputy's fault for not making sure you're fully appraised.
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  Speaker 1: That does not strike me as great leadership. That does
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  Speaker 1: not strike me as like your job as secretary of Defense.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, the appropriations bills still say Department
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  Speaker 1: of Defense, so you can call himself secretary of War
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  Speaker 1: as much as he likes, his paycheck still says secretary
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  Speaker 1: of Defense. Then if one of those things where like
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  Speaker 1: if you're hegg Seth, this is your responsibility, this is
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  Speaker 1: your job. You have to keep the president up to
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  Speaker 1: date on how those stockpiles are and you can't just
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  Speaker 1: suddenly blindside him with, hey, actually we're really short on this.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have to change the way we operate
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  Speaker 1: and how frequently we respond to these Iranian attacks, and
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  Speaker 1: we may not have enough for a second major attack
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  Speaker 1: on Iran. Like that's your job, is maintaining this kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. And you've been telling us the whole time
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  Speaker 1: this is fine, don't worry about it. If you come
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  Speaker 1: out now and say, well, actually we do have to
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  Speaker 1: worry about it. Actually, we can't do everything we want
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  Speaker 1: to do because the stockpiles have gotten so low, like
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  Speaker 1: managing that stockpile is part of your job. Now, if
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  Speaker 1: we try to increase Defense Production Act and to use
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  Speaker 1: big more, yes are more on the way, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: they are. But as people have noted, it takes you.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just like pluck Patriot missile batteries off of trees.
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  Speaker 1: They it takes a long time to build them, to
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  Speaker 1: assemble them. This is this is a really unnerving report
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  Speaker 1: because it kind of indicates that actually it is as
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  Speaker 1: bad as some of these outside analysis groups have indicated.
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  Speaker 1: And I really don't like the idea of the Secretary
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  Speaker 1: of Defense saying, oh, it's my deputy's fault, he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: kept me or you in the loop. That's that is
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  Speaker 1: not leadership. And by the way, if that is the case,
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  Speaker 1: somebody should be fired over this. Keeping the president appraised
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  Speaker 1: of this is like a really important matter and can't
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  Speaker 1: just be handwaved away. Now, as you said, Caroline Levitt says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't doubt that President Trump has
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  Speaker 1: the most confidence secretary excess, but that doesn't quite say that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there isn't a you know, President Trump isn't
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  Speaker 1: frustrated about how he's been not kept in the loop
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  Speaker 1: about what our stockpile levels are, and it'd be really
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  Speaker 1: nice I could get some sort of really reliable sense
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  Speaker 1: of yes, we do have enough or no, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have enough, because the US government is currently acting as
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  Speaker 1: if we don't have enough.
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  Speaker 2: So, Jim does I think our main goal here in
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  Speaker 2: trying to get a deal with Iran, if a deal
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  Speaker 2: can even be gotten. We've gone over Iran's approach to
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  Speaker 2: these things so many times, But the main focus is
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  Speaker 2: the opening of the Straits of Hormuz, whether that's in
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  Speaker 2: Iran Oman deal, whether it's US somehow still doing it,
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  Speaker 2: or free passage or tolls or whatever it is. Does
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  Speaker 2: this weeken our leverage and getting the deal we won
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  Speaker 2: on that?
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  Speaker 3: I say it does, right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this other great newspaper that I don't
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  Speaker 1: write for, the Wall Street Journal. Iran Oman near Hormo's
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  Speaker 1: duel agreement would give Tehran a role in controlling traffic,
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  Speaker 1: but wouldn't allow tolls. Now, if I believe we could
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  Speaker 1: trust the Iranians, I feel really good about that. I
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  Speaker 1: would fall Oh, okay, that's a deal we can live with.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be the traffic cop for the straight
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  Speaker 1: of horror moves and make sure that every ship is
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. If you're not charging tolls, fine, we can
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  Speaker 1: live with that. The problem is, as the President said
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  Speaker 1: earlier this week, the Iranian or late last week, the
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  Speaker 1: Iridian mullas are unbelievably duplicitous. And I think anyone who's
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  Speaker 1: watched Iran since nineteen seventy nine, we'd say so, like,
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  Speaker 1: if we can get that deal, terrific. Color me very skeptical,
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  Speaker 1: because I think the Iranians have recognized that the elists.
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  Speaker 1: Their military has been pounded, Their navy is at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of the sea. They don't really have an air
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  Speaker 1: force anymore, although they have a bunch of drones, but
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  Speaker 1: they do have effective control over the straight of horror
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  Speaker 1: moves by targeting of the ships. So I entirely suspect
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  Speaker 1: the Iranians will agree to this, sign the deal. We'll
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  Speaker 1: make a whole big hullabaloo about this, and then two
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  Speaker 2: Republicans had had the House for twelve years. Republicans lost
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  Speaker 2: the House in two thousand and six and didn't get
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: it back till twenty ten, and there were just kind
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  Speaker 2: of stories that piled up on each other. There was
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  Speaker 2: the people unentangled with Jack Abramoff, and there were people
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  Speaker 2: with their and scandals, and then it was mark Fully
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  Speaker 2: in the pages that was kind of the one where
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't think, I don't think we're keeping the majority this year.
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  Speaker 2: And now there's a series of House Republicans kind of
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: in that same mode. Again, not so much with the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Abramov stuff, but you've got the Max miller a saga,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: which we talked about earlier in the week.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: You've got the.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Corey Mills situation down in Florida where there's very sordid
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: allegations involving multiple ex girlfriends, and you've even got other
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Florida Republicans endorsing his primary challenger now. And then of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: course there's the story of Chuck Edwards from North Carolina's
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: eleventh district. He had won pretty comfortably his two terms
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: in Congress, but then the House Ethics Committee just a
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: few days ago coming out with the report that he
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: should be censured because of his inappropriate contact and relationship
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: with two young female staffers. Now, he initially said that
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the report basically exonerated him because it concluded that he
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: never quote explicit propositioned them, but he did spend a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: lot of time focused on them and buying them gifts
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and trips to different places. And one of them was six,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: so he bought her like a couple of dozen pints
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of ice cream, which seems a little over the top.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But anyway, he's been pushed to abandon his re election bid.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: The deadline for that was this coming Monday, so he's
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: done that. Most of the prognostication outfits consider that District
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: North Carolina eleven either lean Republican or it had been
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: moved to toss up with this controversy involving Edwards, so
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: assuming they pick a decent one, Republican should be favored there. Yesterday, however,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: was the deadline for Max Miller to get out easily
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: in Ohio seven while that whole ex wife fight over
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the child, the two year old child, the abuse allegations,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the public spatting with his former father in law, Senator Moreno,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Max Miller not getting out, and so I don't know
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to remove him after this, But
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: he now wants a full investigation by the House Ethics Committee,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: which would.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Probably take at least until election.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Day, if not longer. But I don't think that would
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: necessarily change his political fortunes. Jim, So what do you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: make what we've learned on these controversies lately?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So when I saw the name Chuck Edwards was back
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in the news again, I was like, you know, there's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of perhaps Republicans, but it sounds familiar. He
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: had replaced Madison Cawthorn, who had attracted a great deal
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: of attention talking about how there were cocaine fueled orgies
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: going on in Capitol Hill and then, when asked for evidence,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: said that he couldn't generate any evidence, or that somebody
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: in a park and garage had once offered him drugs
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: or something. And Madison Cawthorne lost his primary to Chuck
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Edwards and then stopped stopped showing up for work, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: did no constituent work for the remainder of his time
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in the House. I pointed to Chuck Edwards back in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: October twenty twenty four as a good example of a
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Republican who is a workhorse, not a show horse. This
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: is because North Carolina eleventh District, this is the western
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: portion of the state. It's Asheville listeners probably remember that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: back then Hurricane Helen came through and just absolutely devastated
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the area. And I went I checked out in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Republican Chuck Edward's comedy, like his entire web page and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: x feed and everything he was doing on social media
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was full of information about a hurricane response, BEMA, disaster
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: survivor assistant sites, which water systems were safe to drink from,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: which one. It was all useful information. And I pointed
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to Chuck Edwards as a guy who had not a
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: particularly high profile, certainly not nationally, and I said, like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: this is what a Republican congressman is supposed to do.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Something terrible has happened, and he's seeking out ways to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And I stayed by everything I wrote back then. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: just don't realize that he would be yet another middle
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: aged man who was taken by the attractiveness of young
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: women and started behaving inappropriately. And it became a matter
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of just you don't want this person representing you. This
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: is an R plus five district, and the replacement will
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: be selected by the Congressional Districts North Carolina State Republican Committee.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You assume their selection will be found. You you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: obviously this person has to like get an entire congressional
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: campaign rolling in a matter of you know, August September, October,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: three months less than ideal, even less time than Troy
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Jackson has up in Maine to put together a Senate campaign.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: So in normal circumstances, a Republican would win this district.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I think I think it just got moved to a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: toss up in most category in most prognosticators charts. There
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: we'll see who the nominee is. It's not inconceivable that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a Democrat could win this district, and it'd be very frustrating.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: The good news is, you look at the parties and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: makeup of this district, it's probably the sort of circumstance
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: where in a normal set of circumstances, the Republican's going
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: to win. So this may be a two year rental
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: by the Democratic Party. But again, one more factor that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: makes the House more complicated as for Max Miller. Look,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: we've got a really challenging political environment. Earlier in this podcast,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: we talked about how traditionally midterms go bad for the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: president's party. Trump's approval rating is pretty darn low, right
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: around forty percent. Most national polls assessment of the economy
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: as lousy. Gas is now four dollars a gallon in
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: most parts of the country. God help you fear in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: places like California or something like that. It's a really
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: challenging political environment just nationally. And then you've got guys
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like Max Miller, and it's one of those things. But
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this is an entirely self inflicted problem. This is a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: circumstance in which you know, if you have generic Republican
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: house member again, this is another district that is R
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: plus five, generic Republican house member would probably hang on,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: might be tougher than usual, might be closer than usual,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but you'd feel pretty good about this. Max Miller, I mean,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: he sounds kind of like Freddy Krueger these days. He just,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you know, he's stealing his daughter's stuffed animal and won't
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: return it and all that stuff, Like everything that comes
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: out of this guy's nightmare of fuel and every interview
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he does about this makes things worse. So if you're
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the NRCC, you must be kicking yourself, like what do
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we act? Can we just have normal people? Could we
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: just have people who stop creating their own problems for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: themselves and life easier for the Democrats? This is the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: flip side of the coin of our first Martiti where
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: there is like no Democrats. So sitting there thinking for
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Pete's say, could we please not nominate a vegan in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: cattle country?
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: So what do you do here?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I mean there's been a lot of criticism of Trump
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: not being tougher in pushing Miller out. There was one
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: story earlier in the week where He's like, oh, Max,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it's looking tough. It's looking tough. I don't know about this,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and Miller's like, no, no, you inspired me in twenty
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: sixteen because you stayed in. And so Trump has not
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: explicitly called for him to go. Mike Johnson, the Speaker
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of the House. I think he's gotten more direct, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: kind of treating this as a family issue that needs
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: to be resolved. Is it the job of Johnson and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Trump to say no, you have to go, and you
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: have to go.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Now, Well, I was thinking yesterday about we observed yesterday
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that James col Rico has now led three straight polls
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: in the state of Texas, and that to Senate race
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: down there, bid saying graveyards are full of indispensable men.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: None of these candidates are so indispensable that the Republic
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: will collapse if they are not re elected to the House.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Your district is full of replacement level aspiring congressman out there.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You are not special, You are not something that absolutely
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: cannot be gotten rid of. So I kind of prefer
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: if the leadership of the party would go to be
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: more direct with these guys and say, look, if you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: want to be a member of Congress, you have to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: keep your nose clean literally and metaphorically, and you cannot
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be affining yourself in a situation. But do you notice
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that Max Miller had said he hadn't used illegal drugs
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in a couple of years, And I'd interviewed with Jake
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Tapper a couple of years, huh, And Tapper is like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: two or twenty, and he wouldn't get specific. And it's like, well, like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you've been in Congress a while now, so are you
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: telling us you've used illegal drugs as a member of Congress. Now, look,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: if you're listening to this in saying, Jim, I listen
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to a lot of members of Congress, half of them
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: could be on drugs for all I can tell with
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the way they talk, I get that, you know, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: donetheanlet like this guy just creates more and more problems
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: for himself. And I think if there's nothing more with
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a party saying you're not good enough, you are creating
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a liability, You're creating a challenge, right just as Abdul
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: al say Ed and Francesca Hang are going to be
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: cited in a lot of ads that are not in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the governor's race or not the Senate race out there
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: because Republicans is gonna want to tie every Democrat to them.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Every Ohio Republican is going to get asked about Max
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Miller every day between now an election day, because there's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: going to be a sense of do you know, are
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you okay serving with him? Do you think you should resign?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think you should with Drafflin to seal, you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: have created a problem for everybody else in the party,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and that's why you should go, Max Miller, and you
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: should sort out your personal life. And oh, by the way,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: if he really is doing abuse like this thing, should
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be investigating a criminal law and never mind at the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: ballot box. But I have very short tolerance for people
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: who for people who put themselves in this. This is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: no different than Bill Clinton saying, well, we're just gonna
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have to win. Then you know this idea of like, well,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I will tough this out, I will refuse to leave.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I will pull a Ralph Northam, and they'll have no
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: choice but to accept me once I'm reelected. I don't
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: know if that district is going to re elect them.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: We'll find out. I don't think it's looking great for Max.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Miller is already losing in some polls in a district
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that's solidly read normally. So yeah, I mean, the higher
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the office you go for, I think to some extent
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that the bigger the ego, you have to have to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: think that you're the best person for that job, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: so it's harder and harder to admit that you do
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: need to go. But I mean, just the fact that
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he's completely consumed and distracted by this means he can't
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: do the job in Washington. So the fact that his
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: own staff is saying hey, we didn't book those interviews
• 26:16
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  Speaker 3: All right, Jim.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Last week was Tony Fauci pleading the fifth before the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Senate Governmental Affairs and Oversight Committee. Today Chairman Ran Paul
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: pushing contempt of Congress charges against Fauci. It was approved
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: by the committee eight to five. Democrats tried to table
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the vote and then suggested giving Fauci immunity to come
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: in and actually testify, but Paul pointing out, hey, you
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: had a pardon for everything you've said before. All you
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: had to do this time was tell the truth. So Jim,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by this. I'm not sure where it's going,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: but I think it's a reasonable decision here by the committee.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, we for listeners. You know, Greg,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I hope you won't mind the revealed. We debated making
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: this a martini, and I'm kind of skeptically. This is
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: why became our chaser, because I'm not quite sure what
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: comes out of this. This will go to the full Senate.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: The Senate will probably vote to hold him in contempt.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It will referm to the Department of Justice for criminal referral,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and I suspect that the Trump administration's Department of Justice
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: will try to find Todd Blanche will try to find
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: some way to bring charges against Fauci. Fauci will say
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that he the argument like, Fauci can't say my pardon
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: covers this, because the pardon only covers actions taken right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, from like twenty fourteen to the last day
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: of the Biden presidency. You know, and you can say
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I showed up to the hearing that was not contempt.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I invoked the Fifth Amendment right that I have under
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the Constitution. Now Paul argues that if you have the pardon,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you can't invoke the Fifth Amendment. I think they'll go
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: back and forth on this. I don't expectably resolved. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I just this. I know this is an attempt to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: hold Fauci accountable. I don't think it's necessarily going to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: have that much of an impact. I think it'd be
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: very tough depending. You know, this is another case where
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I can have a tough time seeing a DC grand
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: jury saying yes, this's hold him in contempt of Congress.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I also think probably judges and juries will look at
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this rather skeptically. You know, I think the the true
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: consequence for what Fauci did was, you know, the making
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: him invoke the fifth on every every single question, including
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what color is your tie? And what day of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: week is it? And what color is the carpet in
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the room. Although it'd be perfectly honest, Greg, if you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: asked me under oath what day of the week it was,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'd get it wrong.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, again, the fact that he didn't have
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to try to explain away his previous statements because those
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: are all covered by the part. And I don't see
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: what ground he really has to stand on. And if
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you know, people like Peter Navarro had to go to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: jail for either not show I guess he didn't show
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: up at all, but not testifying before Congress. I'm not
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: sure what ground Fauci has to stand on. I think
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: he's got even less to some extent. But we'll find out.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Will there be a prosecution, maybe, Will they get convicted
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: in DC? Hard to say, probably not, but doesn't mean
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you don't necessarily try. But we'll find out. As all
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this moves forward. Jim, see you tomorrow.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: It'll be Friday.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It's Thursday. Thank you your honor, Greg. I'll see you tomorrow.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Jim Garretty, National Review. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America.
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