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Now Trump Is Grifting God | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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Good morning. This is DeProgram with Ted Rall
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and Jamarl Thomas for Tuesday, October 27, 2026.
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I'm Ted Rall. Jamarl Thomas is on vacation the earlier
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part of this week. We expect him back Friday
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or thereabouts. Sitting in for Jamarl is Robby
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West, our producer. You know him well. You love
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him. You hate him. Everything in between. Thanks
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for joining us, Robby. Oh, thank you. I think
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that the universal hatred has kind of died down.
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I think I've actually got some people who actually
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like me now. Oh, God. That's the beginning of
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the end, once they start to like you. I know.
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Don't worry. I'm sure that I can piss off my
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newfound friends. I hope so. I hope so. All right.
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So here's what we've got for today. A group of
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Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops were visiting
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the White House. They say that the White House
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and Donald Trump conned them into a photo op
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where they were photographed praying over the
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president at the Resolute Desk. They had not
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given any permission for a photo to be taken.
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They thought it was a genuine expression of faith.
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on the part of the president. It turned out
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just to be another political stunt. They're pissed
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So Donald Trump he's even trying to grift
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God or the guys who claim to talk to God. Then
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protests. I keep for weeks, months
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years I've been saying that protests have to
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be spicy. They have to be continuous. They have
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to be daily in order to work. But the No Kings
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model does not work. Well, protests, the French
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government has started to cave to the students.
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And we'll talk about that, what that looks like.
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The students are not satisfied and the protests
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are not coming to an end. But the French government
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is starting to give them some of the things they
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want. There's this weird story about how the
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supply chain is being affected by high-tech
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ruthless hackers who are intercepting truck
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transportation and freight systems that are
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a lot of it destined to data centers. It's a fascinating
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tech story and then a tale of two Comeys
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James Comey, former FBI director, is now facing
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his third case, obviously politically motivated
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by the Trump administration. This one is for leaking
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classified information to a reporter. Back in
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2016. It comes in just under the wire and did
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not involve a grand jury. So the question really
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is for a judge to decide whether this can even
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move forward. And Maureen Comey, who is James's
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daughter, was a federal judge. Maureen Comey
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now has to be reinstated by the Trump administration
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with back pay. Talk about an awkward moment when
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you go back to work. So if you have questions,
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any kind of comments, anything like that at all,
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please go ahead and put them in the live chat.
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This is a Tuesday, which means the program is
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here from 9 to 10 a.m. for one hour. We go back
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to the full two hour show tomorrow. That's Monday,
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Wednesday, Friday, two hours. Tuesday, Thursday
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is one hour. We will have tomorrow again, Jeff
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Dornick, CEO of Pickaxe, who filled in yesterday.
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for tomorrow. He'll be filling in for the full
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two hours tomorrow. Looking forward to that.
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And we're appreciative of that, too. Okay. With
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all that, good morning, Robby. How are you?
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Doing good. Doing good. Listen, I've got my super
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massive black coffee. I'm ready to go. Still
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waiting for mine. I'll have to rattle Jeff's
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cage. It's actually better than the 1775 coffee,
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and it's cheaper. Well, those are the two things
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one looks for. Oh, well, and the caffeine. Well,
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yeah, that's true. Well, look, a coffee,
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I'm just going to say, can't be good if it's
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not strong. I don't understand weak coffee. I
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don't understand decaf coffee. Decaf coffee misses
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the point entirely. Well, decaf coffee is like
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taking a shower with your clothes on. Yeah.
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There is no point. I guess it's
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look, I tried to wean myself off of caffeinated
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coffee at one point in the 80s and
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I say this as a joke but it's actually true. I
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don't really remember much of those two years
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when I was on Sanka and stuff and just because
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I was used to the taste of regular coffee and
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I tried to make do with decaf but that's the
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only application and it's not a good application
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I think basically coffee is
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one of the best things that ever happened to
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humanity. Listen, let me. You know me
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you know me very well. You know how my
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my work day typically looks like. You need coffee
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if I had no coffee I would die yesterday
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I went to the doctor's office
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Oh I know I'm 50 now so the kids
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is okay Robby you have to go and you have
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to go get your annual wellness physical
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and all this other stuff. Sure. Well, what if I
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don't. Then she says, well, they're gonna sleep
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on the couch because you'll be in the doghouse
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Oh. And so I was talking to the guy, I was,
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well. This is one of those no is not an acceptable
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answer kind of things. Well, it just depends
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on, well, it's always an acceptable answer. It's
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just, it wasn't worth the consequences at this
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time. Just to rattle the wife's cage. I was talking
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to the doc. He's, okay, well, how often
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do you sleep? And I told him, he said, are you
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kidding? I said, no, I'm not kidding. He's,
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oh. Okay. So Diane Thomas says, yes, I am Jamarl's
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mom. If that's true. Hi, Diane. Thanks for joining
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us. And say hi to Jamarl for us and tell him we're
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looking forward to having him back. But glad
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that he's enjoying some time off, too. Yeah.
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Hello to JT's mom. Glad to have you. All right.
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I guess we should do the show and stop talking
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about coffee. Probably. And a comment from Zakaria.
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Robby, fucking amazing theme song on your other
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channel. I found myself listening to it unironically.
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No, it's true. Yeah. It is amazing. Tune into
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that. It's at four o'clock Fridays, the current
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plan, right? Yeah. Four o'clock on Fridays.
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I don't know what, so if there's any topic that
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you want me to cover this Friday, let me know.
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If not, I will just pick something myself, but
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I'd much rather have y'all's feedback about
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what to cover. Cool. All right. This man takes
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requests. All right. Washington Matt, $2 donation.
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Thank you very much. Let's get it going. Have
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a great day. You too. I had some good news too.
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A professor, Zenkis, who people might know from
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X, he's a professor at Columbia, anti-Zionist,
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very, very smart dude on X. Anyway, I reached
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out just because I thought, hey, this guy's so
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good on Middle East affairs. Let's get him on
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the show. Turns out... He sent me back a photo
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of him holding up one of my books, the book of
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Obama. He said, I'm a huge fan. Let's do it.
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So we'll have Professor Zenkis on soon. Okay.
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So with all that, I always let my co-host choose,
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that's usually Jamarl, what we talk about first.
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Catholic bishops, French protests, Middle East,
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the trucking thieves, and the Comeys. Let's talk
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about the trucking thieves. That's interesting
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to me. Okay. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I don't
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understand the point. I get that people don't
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like data centers. I understand that. But by
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stealing the stuff, first, what are you going
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to do with it? It's not like you just got to
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resell it. I guess you burn it or bury it or
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whatever. They also get more. They're going to
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track you down and they're going to put you in
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a box under the ground for which you'll never
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see the light of day again. Well, okay, so here's
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the thing. The AI this is not an attempt to
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undermine data centers or AI. This is an attempt
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to. This is. These are criminal gangs that
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are hijacking at least a hundred million dollars
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a year in actually just since June of this
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year. So it's only about money. Yeah. So basically
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they're stealing fiber optic cables, microchips
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and Bitcoin miners. It's all stuff that's bound
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for data centers. So what they do, it's actually
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fascinating. So the thieves, they'll
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hack into the freight brokers' accounts on shipment
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listing websites. Then they'll post fake loads
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to bait trucking companies, then send
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a phishing link to the infected target. Then
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when you click the link you get malware. The malware
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gives the thieves back-end control of the
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trucking company account so that they can then
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bid on high value tech shipments and steal them
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They use the stolen credentials to assign the
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load so they either trick a legit driver into
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picking up the load or they use counterfeit driver's
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licenses to send a thug to the loading
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dock. Then once the freight is picked up they
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move it to a driver who moves directly with
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the cartel. And in order to make sure that the
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corporate, obviously all of the trucks
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are tracked by GPS. So they use GPS spoofing
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hardware to make it look like it's going to where
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it's supposed to go along its planned route.
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But instead, it's going to an entirely different
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location. Or it goes to the actual warehouse
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but is delivered to another group of thieves
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who then transfer all of this stuff. So obviously
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this is all gray market. It all becomes gray market
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material that is then stolen that is
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basically sold on the gray-black market
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That's awesome. Yeah, it is ingenious
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It's like Ocean's 11. But no, it's in my edition
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it is awesome. Well, the thing is, it's crazy.
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As you all know, I'm building my own
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AI. Yesterday, I had to increase the resources
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on the server just because Fang is simply outgrowing
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what she has. You'll laugh your butt off on this.
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Her server that I was running an AI on ran on
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two CPUs, 300 gigs of RAM, 300 gigs of hard drive
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space, and 16 gigs of RAM. Your microwave in
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your kitchen had more compute than the server
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does running an AI on. It's just not enough anymore.
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Had to bump it up and had to eat that cost. And
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it's expensive. Yeah. It sucks. Yeah, no,
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yeah. Look, even just for things
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like generating thumbnails for this show and,
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doing stuff converting trends.
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Vertical, horizontal thumbnails into squares
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for the RSS version of this show just stuff
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that I had to. I can't. It's not enough for me
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to pay for the sort of normal baseline level
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of AI. I have to go at least one level up. Otherwise
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I don't have enough power. They're
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getting us all hooked, right. And base it's
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a it's a drug dealer. Try this you'll
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really like it and then you'll really need it
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and that's true. Frazzle says, please memorize
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your computer. So I'm not memorizing my computer.
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It's on a cloud. And I call Fang a she because
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ships are also called shes. So if ships would
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be called shes, I can call the AI that I'm building
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a she too. Plus it's a troll because I named her
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after Fang Fang to troll the Democrats. Okay.
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At least you named her Fan Fan, I guess. All
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right. So we can we could sort of leave
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that story. We'll continue to follow it
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but I just thought it's really worth it's
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really worth talking about. It's
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it's ironic that maybe AI will be brought
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down in some part by the fact that there's
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it is such a major profit center. So
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many billions of dollars have poured into this
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industry that criminal gangs naturally think
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oh we can steal some of that. Well, what's
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going to end up happening with the data centers?
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And if you follow the trends, this I've actually
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talked to Achilles Larea about, some of the companies
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that actually build small, I guess you'd call
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them portable nuclear reactors, are going to
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be used to power these data centers. So,
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that's the only way that's going to be able to
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work. Those people need their own independent
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power plants. It's sort of like when
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they built the New York City subway, the
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entire country is on AC power, right? There was
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that whole war between AC and DC a hundred years
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ago, and then AC won. But one legacy thing
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that still runs on DC is the New York City subway
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system, which built its own power facilities
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back because originally... subways were private
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corporations and there were similar controversies
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where New Yorkers said we don't. People who don't
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ride the subway should not have to pay and subsidize
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for the operation of the subway for these into
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private corporations. You guys should build your
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own power plants and they did and those DC power
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plants are still in existence today. Well, what's
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going to happen is that more and more, they're
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going to have their own independent power. And
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part of the model is the energy that they don't
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need, they'll sell back to the power companies.
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And another thing they're doing is moving away
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from water-cooled systems to air-cooled systems,
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basically using air conditioning. And so that
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way, the concern about water goes away, which
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of course takes more power. They're going to
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need nuclear power, which I am team nuclear power.
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I think every power plant in the country should
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be nuclear. The thing is, look, we've come a
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long way from the no nukes movement of the 1980s
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where the left was completely against nuclear
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power. And there was the whole Karen Silkwood
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stuff. That's over now. Most leftists and environmentalists
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think that nuclear power is relatively clean.
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But I was just reading yesterday that quietly,
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and nobody's really talking about that, solar
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is currently really huge and it's really cheap.
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It's a lot cheaper than people thought it was
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going to be. And it's just,
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it's an untold story. Well, geography
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matters. If you're trying to use solar power
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here in Montana, God be with you because you
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will die. We only get four months
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of sun here in Montana, but as you know, there's
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no way. And also the solar cells degrade over
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time. And also, they're incredibly toxic. So
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if you are a tree-hugging environmentalist type,
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you then have to deal with the fact that as these
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things degrade, they are polluting the ground
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and the water. Yeah, they're good for about 10
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years, right? And then all you need is in a storm,
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a branch goes through your panel, and you've
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got heavy metals up the ass going into your ground
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supply, into your water table. Nuclear power
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is the answer. It is the most efficient. It is
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the safest. It is the cleanest. I don't know
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why it is that people just keep dancing around
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this thing. Go nuclear. Well, I don't think anybody's
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dancing anymore. I think that's sort of commonly.
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Use the atoms that God gave us. The debate's
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over. The debate is over. I think we're moving
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on here. Okay. Jimmy Trohas maybe is cuing us
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up to the next topic here. Religious people are
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very gullible. Easy targets for grifters like
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the Don. Let's talk about, come on, you're
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a man of God. Let's talk about Trump trying to
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grift God. So Catholic bishops and archbishops
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visited the White House recently. This was a
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private meeting. Trump said that he wanted to
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talk to them about various issues affecting the
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Roman Catholic Church. And then toward the end
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of the meeting, he's, hey, would you pray
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with me? Would you pray over me? I
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really appreciate it. Did you say hi to God
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for me and so they prayed over him which
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is kind of funny because that's more of
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an evangelical thing. It's not. I've never as a
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Catholic ever seen that praying over thing quite
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the same way. Anyway the point is they did that
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They secretly took a photo of
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them doing this and released it on the internet
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It's rude to not tell people
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that you're photographing them and that you're
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going to use them for political purposes, no
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matter who they are. But bishops and archbishops
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in particular are kind of not used to being treated
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that way. There was a lot of blowback from Catholics
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about this, what the hell are you doing?
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Participating in this political stunt.
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They're, hey, we didn't know.
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obviously, this is just one more outrage on the
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part of Donald Trump. But as a religious person,
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what do you make of this? I think that if someone
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tells you they're a snake and they show you that
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they're a snake, don't be surprised when they
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bite you if you bring them onto your bosom.
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The comment about how religious people
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are gullible, that's true because a lot of religious
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people want to see the best in somebody. And
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there are some people who just willingly make
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the choice that I will not believe no matter
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what is it you say. Some people just sound out
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reprobate. And what a reprobate is, is someone
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who is told about God repeatedly. And the response
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that they keep saying is that I want nothing
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to do with you. I hate you, God. I don't want
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to retain you in my memory. I am your enemy.
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In which case, God will then give you what you
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want. He will give you what the book of Romans
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calls a reprobate mind. At that point, you cannot
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be saved. And the reason is because you'll
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never have the desire to ask to be saved. Why
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would you ask someone to save you who you do
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not believe in and who you actively hate? And
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God will give you, if that's what you want, God
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will give it to you. And that's the problem that
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the Catholic Church and a lot of evangelicals
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have is that they reject the doctrine of the
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reprobate. It is a real thing. Trump is a reprobate.
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He is going to go to hell when he dies. He himself
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has said that. That's not me judging him. Look,
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if hell is real and he's not going, who the hell
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is going? Seriously, that's the point. It's because
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so many people of faith, so many people of a
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religious background, always want to see the
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best in somebody and want to hang out the hope
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that this one time, this guy is not going to
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put a knife in me. It never happens. Although
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Catholicism is based primarily, the one thing
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that distinguishes it from all other forms of
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Christianity is the sacrament of confession and
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the redemption that it implies. A view that everybody
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can be redeemed if they beg for forgiveness,
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they confess their sins, and they perform penance.
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Obviously Trump can't confess, or it
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wouldn't count because he's not Catholic. But
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still, implicit in that is the idea that
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all human beings are worth something and salvageable,
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including Donald Trump. And so I think,
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look, I just think it's taking away
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the fact that these are men of God. It is a it's
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really low, and as a person who
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was raised Catholic, I don't understand how anyone
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who's Catholic could possibly vote for Donald,
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for Trump or his people after a stunt like this.
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It's so disrespectful to the Catholic Church.
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Well, take the Catholic Church. How could
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anyone who professes to be a Christian support
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this guy? Because he actively supports the things
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that you say that you oppose. If you oppose collective
21:05
punishment and the killing of the innocent, then
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Donald Trump's not your guy. Because he continued
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funding the genocide in Gaza. He's murdering
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Venezuelan fishermen. Yeah, down the
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list, you have plenty of things. If you believe
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what the Bible says, if you believe that homosexuality
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is a sin, how can you support someone who goes
21:28
out and publicly says, I'm the most pro-gay
21:31
president in history? How can you support a guy
21:34
who dresses himself up in a meme like God, like
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Jesus? Healing somebody in a bed. Right.
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Trump is a type of antichrist. He is antichrist.
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And the biggest problem with religious people
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is the scripture is twisted. The people who are
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not believers will say, well, the Bible says
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don't judge. You got to take that in context.
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We are supposed to judge. That's how you know
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someone by their fruit. If you never judge, if
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you have no discernment, you cannot tell their
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fruit is good or if it's rotten. Trump is rotten
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through and through. And if you are a Christian,
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if you support this dude, that's your
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choice. But don't wrap yourself up in your Christianity
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as a reason for why you're doing it. Just admit
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what you're saying. Your politics are more important
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than your convictions. Robby, I'm curious about
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this Rumble run ad now thing. Should I click
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the button and see if anything happens? Yeah,
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go ahead. Let's see what happens. Here we go.
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Three, two, one. Huh. It just pops up at the
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top. Run ad now. Okay, I'll click that. Well,
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I don't know. It doesn't seem like it works.
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I think you have to build the ad. Yeah, okay.
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All right. Weird. It's okay. Well, I don't know
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how you build the ad, but okay, we'll figure
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that out. Thank you very much for the $2 donation
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from Black Spock. By the way. In honor of Jamarl,
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we should mention the fact that the actor who
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played Chekhov died, I guess it was yesterday.
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Let's see the details here. Oh, yeah, Walter
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Koenig. I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly.
23:28
He played the ensign Pavel Chekhov on the original
23:32
Star Trek series. He was 90 years old, died at
23:36
his house in North Hollywood, peacefully by all
23:39
accounts. He was not a major figure
23:42
in the show but he was kind of unforgettable
23:45
because during the Cold War he had a character
23:48
who was playing a Russian working alongside people
23:51
who were clearly Americans so that was kind of
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cool. Chekhov was my favorite character in
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Star Trek. He was. He was
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just because he was so quirky and he was just
24:06
down to earth. I think probably the thing that
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I like the most about Chekhov is that of all
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the characters in the show, and this is going
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to sound kind of dumb, he was the most human.
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He was the one who was most out of place. He
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was just kind of there. And then, to your point,
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it's made directly at the height of the Cold War.
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Yeah. So, no, it was awesome. They didn't do
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much with him. He was not a major character.
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Yeah, I'm trying to think who I'd
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have to give some thought to who my favorite
24:44
character was. To me, it's impossible
24:46
to really single anyone out. To me, it's
24:49
it's an ensemble cast. You have to. It all
24:52
goes together. So. All right. Let's all
24:56
right. Let's move on here. All right. France,
25:01
Middle East, Comeys. Let's do France. OK. So
25:11
France, the students' protests started with a
25:14
number of demands and those demands the government
25:17
is starting to address. The French officials
25:21
are now saying, well, oh, how we said
25:23
that we don't really have enough positions to
25:26
admit enough of you to college? Oh, actually,
25:30
we scraped the sofa. We got into the sofa cushions
25:33
at Versailles and we found a few extra coins,
25:37
a few old francs that we can pay for that. Oh,
25:41
and how we said we couldn't repair the
25:43
schools? Oh, that turned out not to be true either.
25:46
We're going to spend a lot of money to rebuild
25:48
the schools. And also, oh, we didn't have enough
25:52
money for grants for college? Oh, actually, we
25:55
do have that. So it turns out that all you really
25:59
need to get a Western government's attention
26:01
is to burn down cities for about a month and
26:05
mix it up with the police and raise all sorts
26:08
of hell and set and burn down a city hall
26:11
in a major city Limoges and then suddenly they
26:15
start to pay attention to you and your needs
26:17
and concerns. There was also this Parcoursup
26:21
admissions platform which was an online
26:26
example of how the law of unintended consequences.
26:31
So basically, up until they installed, they instituted
26:35
this online admissions platform, which is partly
26:38
governed by AI algorithms, France had the same
26:43
sort of system that we have here, which is you
26:46
applied to colleges, and then the French government
26:49
would determine which ones through
26:52
an admissions process that we didn't know about,
26:54
would determine who gets to go where, if at all.
26:57
The French college and university system has
27:01
become increasingly competitive. Now there's
27:04
about a million applicants a year and about 120,000
27:08
students a year don't get admitted at all.
27:11
That's not how it's supposed to be. If you basically
27:13
graduate from a high school in France, you're
27:16
supposed to be able to go somewhere, maybe not
27:18
the Sorbonne or some other prestigious school,
27:20
but you're supposed to be able to get in maybe
27:22
to the equivalent of a community college or a
27:25
trade school or whatever. That hasn't been the
27:28
case. The new system is even more opaque than
27:31
the old system. The students absolutely hate
27:34
it. They hate the fact that it's algorithms.
27:36
They hate the fact that it's hard to use. There's
27:40
everything about it kind of sucks. Even educational
27:43
experts and college admission experts who've
27:46
looked at it have said, it's basically you'll
27:49
get refused and turned down in some cases. You're one of those one out of 10 students who
27:52
doesn't get anywhere. And it just basically just
27:54
says, "You've been rejected" and it doesn't tell
27:56
you why. It's maddening. It feels like you're
27:59
throwing, it's applying on Indeed here for
28:01
a job and you never hear back. And so they're
28:05
going to get rid of that. They're going to start
28:10
from scratch and try to do better. The students
28:11
are saying, okay, well, nice start. We still
28:14
have a lot more demands. We need more teachers.
28:16
We want, oh, they've also guaranteed smaller
28:18
class sizes. That was a major demand, but they
28:21
want smaller class sizes still. They want more
28:24
renovations. They want better conditions. They
28:28
want this to be guaranteed to be going into the
28:30
distant future. So anyway, my point here is,
28:33
in the U.S., when lefties say, look, we try
28:37
protesting once or twice a year. We go to
28:41
the No Kings thing on a Saturday with
28:44
a parade permit. And shockingly, the government
28:47
doesn't care about anything we have to say. And
28:50
I say, look at the way they do it in other countries
28:52
like France. You've got to break things. Otherwise,
28:54
the government doesn't care about you. Well,
28:57
there's that. And also, here's one thing that
29:01
I would really ask if I was one of these student
29:04
protesters. And maybe just because I'm interested
29:06
in economics. Is the French government using
29:09
inflation to create more money to pay for this?
29:14
Because if it is, it's just going to hurt them
29:16
economically even more than what it already hurt.
29:17
They can't. Remember, it's the euro. Oh, gotcha.
29:19
So they just can't print more euros, though.
29:25
No, it's not up to them, right? It's up to the
29:27
European Central Bank in Brussels decides whether
29:29
to do that. And that would affect all of Europe.
29:33
Then what is France going to cut? Because you
29:34
only have so much money in the system if you
29:35
can't print more. Well, they can increase taxes
29:37
or they can cut their expenses. They
29:38
have been jacking up their military spending
29:42
to try to support Ukraine and to and
29:46
basically to try to prepare for the imminent
29:48
Russian invasion of Western Europe. So maybe
29:52
if they just break the fever dream and just
29:54
realize that Russia is not coming for them and
29:58
then it's not coming for their croissants
30:01
they can just relax and just pay less for their
30:04
military spending that probably would go a long
30:06
way and they could also tax the rich more. Well
30:09
they could but money is fungible. You can
30:12
always just do what Ted Rowe did and leave France,
30:16
have to pay French taxes. So you don't have to
30:18
stay there if you have the money to leave. I
30:21
guess that what my question is, honestly, is
30:23
how is France going to pay for it? Because it's
30:26
easy to make promises. It's harder to sit down
30:28
with your accountant and then figure out how
30:30
you're going to pay for those promises. Well,
30:33
those details have not been announced. We do
30:34
not know. Hopefully what they do, they just tell
30:35
the Yukis their colonial projects. Sorry
30:38
you're on your own. You have to take care of your
30:41
own people first which should be a blessing for
30:45
once it would be. Yeah. And so what
30:46
do you think about look this
30:48
is. I really wish why do you think American
30:52
protesters mostly on the left but also on the
30:55
right why don't they look at this and they say
30:58
okay there's a bunch of elements to the French
31:02
thing that work. First of all. There's violence
31:05
as part of the equation. It's not, it's by no
31:07
means the only part of the equation, but these
31:11
protests are disruptive. They prevent business
31:13
as usual. They are daily and sustained. It's
31:16
not, so it's not a Western protest
31:20
where people are bused to Washington
31:24
and they march in front of a bunch of empty office
31:27
buildings and they get back on their buses and
31:30
they go home and they feel good about themselves
31:33
and they put their signs back in the closet
31:35
and then they wait and then it also only happens
31:36
under Republican presidents right. It's there
31:39
it's oh we don't care who the president
31:42
is. We don't care what party he or she is. We don't
31:45
care that we're due at work today or at school
31:47
today. It's on like Donkey Kong and it's
31:51
every day until we get what we want and if you
31:54
send the cops after us we will fight
31:57
the cops back. We're not going to just run away
32:00
that. People could disapprove
32:03
and say it sucks to see stores looted and all
32:05
that, but it works. It does. And I think that
32:10
just I can't really speak to the apathy on the
32:13
left. As a creature of the right, I kind
32:17
of explain, right-wingers typically
32:20
don't go out and just start breaking stuff is
32:23
because if you are of a political persuasion
32:26
like what I am, order matters really more than
32:29
anything else. Yeah, law and order is important.
32:33
So if you go out and if you start, I just have
32:35
to say that right-wingers can't go out and just
32:37
start burning stuff down. They 100% can. But
32:42
the threshold is a lot more because they have
32:43
to believe at that point that the government
32:46
is an imminent threat or whatever the situation
32:49
is, is an imminent threat. That's how you get
32:52
to January 6th. You have a guy, you have a leader
32:54
who's going out there and whipping up the flames.
32:56
Having a few agent provocateurs always helps,
32:59
too. Looking at you, Kash Patel, prick. But for
33:10
the man on the street, though, it takes a lot
33:13
for someone who values order over anything else
33:16
to say, I'm pissed off, I'm not going to take
33:19
it anymore, and I'm going to go and I'm going
33:21
to tear down everything that I believe matters.
33:26
Because, oh, I can get your attention. For the
33:29
left, I don't know. Listen, I got to get completely
33:33
wrong on this. I think it's just too much drug
33:37
use, both illegal and legal. I think it's too
33:40
many antidepressants. It's too many stimulants.
33:43
It's just too many people, they're dabbling in
33:47
the devil's lettuce. And it's just, they're too
33:52
depressed. I think that the population is just
33:54
honestly drugged. There's a reason why you drug
33:56
cattle. Yeah, keep them compliant and docile.
34:03
Do you have a better? No, look,
34:06
I think it's a perfect storm. I think what you
34:08
said is definitely part of it. Also
34:13
the French have a revolutionary tradition, and
34:16
a lot of people are going to hear this and they're
34:18
not going to be happy as we are in the middle
34:20
of our 250th so-called revolutionary year as
34:23
a country. The United States has never had a
34:27
revolution in a Marxist sense, right?
34:30
from a Marxist standpoint, a revolution is the
34:33
replacement, the violent overthrow of the state
34:35
and the replacement of one set of elites, ruling
34:38
elites, by another set of ruling elites. Now,
34:41
that didn't happen in the American independence
34:44
struggle. We had the same, if you were rich before
34:48
1775, you were probably rich after 1781. And
34:53
if you were poor, you were probably still poor
34:55
afterwards. The class system didn't change.
34:59
You look at a system like China, where
35:01
the landlord class was overthrown, or in Cuba,
35:06
where the imperialist exploiter colonial
35:09
class was overthrown. Those are revolutions.
35:12
The Bolshevik revolution is a proper revolution.
35:16
Here in the US, we didn't have that. So I don't
35:19
think we have a revolutionary spirit in that
35:21
sense. We don't have that sense of, hey, the
35:24
government, here we're told we have government
35:27
for the people by the people. French people aren't
35:31
told that. They have the majesty of the state.
35:34
There's a separation between the people and the
35:37
government. They expect that the government is
35:40
always going to be trying to look for some way
35:42
to squeeze them, rip them off, exploit them,
35:45
and ignore their needs. They expect that. That's
35:49
part of the equation. It's oppositional. If you
35:51
believe that we have the government we deserve,
35:55
that these are our people, that the system works
36:00
for us, then with all of its many imperfections,
36:03
you tend to think, I'm not. Who am
36:07
I to overthrow it? If I'm overthrowing the government,
36:10
I'm overthrowing me. I think a lot of it's psychological.
36:14
We just don't have that baked in. It's like when
36:18
you're a kid and you learn how old your parents
36:22
were when they got married, that's going to have
36:24
a huge influence on roughly what age you think
36:27
you should be when you get married, just because
36:30
you're looking at that precedent. A lefty or
36:34
it's usually a lefty who's unhappy about
36:37
something going on in the United States you're
36:39
going to look around and say okay well how
36:41
does one protest and there's no model in this
36:44
country for the kind of sustained spicy protests
36:48
and mixing it up with the cops that we have seen
36:51
in Europe. Now there are sporadic outbursts during
36:55
the 1960s we had many of them. Black Lives Matter
36:58
in 2020 that was a unique situation because of
37:02
the lockdown there was the ability to have sustained
37:05
protest and it temporarily worked right. What
37:10
I don't get is why we don't learn the lessons
37:14
that's the part I don't get. You observe
37:16
this you see okay empirically purely peaceful
37:21
protest once every few months does not work.
37:25
What the French do does work. Why aren't we copying
37:28
that. Well, that's the question, right? Because
37:33
it sounds like what you're describing is that
37:34
in the Marxist model, that for a revolution to
37:38
really happen, anarchy has got to be a part of
37:41
the equation. It has to be baked in. There has
37:43
to be a state of lawlessness, and then you create
37:46
something out of it. Yeah, you tear down the
37:49
old system to the ground so you can build up
37:52
a new one. But on the right, though, there's
37:54
nothing worse than anarchy. Because at that point,
37:57
you have no idea. One of your favorite phrases
38:01
is, you'll start riding a tiger. You have no
38:04
idea what's going to happen. That's true.
38:07
the Bolshevik Revolution was genocidal. Millions
38:10
of people were killed. The French Revolution
38:12
was a complete disaster. True. Both of those
38:14
things are true. And the Bolshevik Revolution
38:16
came out of the Menshevik Rebellion and all that.
38:20
Yeah, for sure. And to your point, no, the American
38:22
Revolution, that was a political separation,
38:26
but there was no anarchy. And a lot of the and
38:29
about half of the people who signed the Declaration
38:31
of Independence were either killed or lost everything
38:34
in it so there was there was
38:36
a price that was paid but there was no anarchy
38:39
baked into it. If there had been anarchy it would
38:42
have never happened in the first place because
38:44
you've got to have some kind of organization
38:47
especially because the rep with the American
38:50
Revolution you were actively at war with another
38:52
power. How do you have an army without with no
38:54
government to pay it you can't. So those two comparisons
39:00
don't really mesh up. And my biggest concern
39:04
when this whole American project blows up, Ted,
39:06
I've talked to you about this before, is the
39:08
anarchy that follows. What happens then? Well,
39:12
look, here's the thing. Everything you
39:14
said is right. In a revolutionary situation,
39:19
you shouldn't have a revolution as long
39:22
as a system is reformable. And as Che Guevara
39:27
wrote in his book on guerrilla warfare, which
39:29
I strongly recommend, Robby, if you haven't
39:31
read. He basically argues that the people will
39:37
not resort to revolution as long as they think
39:40
that electoral politics or the existing system
39:43
might address their needs and concerns. So it's
39:47
only in case of desperation you should have a
39:50
revolution. As a person who favors revolution,
39:54
I don't think that's something that people should
39:56
do lightly. It's extremely, you do not know where
39:59
it's going to end up, like the French Revolution.
40:01
It's taking a, it's a Hail
40:04
Mary pass in a huge way. Yeah, but on
40:10
the other hand, in this country, I think the
40:12
problem is that if you have that anarchy, you're
40:15
going to end up with counter-revolution. You're
40:17
going to end up with fascism before you end up
40:20
with revolution. There's no possibility of revolution
40:22
because we don't have an organized leftist group
40:26
like a socialist party or something similar,
40:28
that can organize people and try to create and
40:32
build something worthwhile on the ashes of what
40:34
comes crumbling down. So I don't think we're
40:37
headed toward revolution here. I think we're
40:39
headed towards possible collapse, followed by
40:42
a 1990s post-Soviet phenomenon in Russia.
40:46
It's ugly. And I don't know if we would
40:49
have someone like Vladimir Putin who could put
40:52
Humpty Dumpty back together again. Well, you
40:54
couldn't because Russia is a huge country of
40:58
130 different ethnic groups. They speak 50 or
41:02
60 different languages there. But there is still
41:04
this underlying Russian identity. You could be
41:07
a Mongol in Siberia ethnically, but culturally,
41:13
you are a Russian. This is my country. Here in
41:18
the United States, we don't have that anymore.
41:20
We are diluted. We are polarized. And what's
41:25
even worse is that both political parties and
41:27
their political allies have gone out to such
41:30
an extent, trying to play the different groups
41:33
against each other, trying to make people think
41:37
that if Ted Rall, if Ted Rall a communist,
41:39
he must be my enemy. Robby has a Southern drawl
41:41
and as a white guy, he's got to be my enemy.
41:44
That black dude down in Mobile is just some kind
41:48
of a lazy welfare
41:50
case. And that rancher in Wyoming stole all your
41:55
land. It's class division along ethnic lines.
42:01
I don't know how you put that back together when
42:02
the collapse happens. I think when this thing
42:04
happens, we will balkanize. You're going to have
42:06
a bunch of smaller warring states, China style.
42:10
And I have no idea how you reconcile that. And
42:12
the anarchy that follows is going to kill millions
42:14
and millions of people. And I do not want that
42:16
to happen. I would much rather have a national
42:19
divorce where the different states or
42:22
a group of states come together and say this
42:23
is not working, and then secession is back on
42:26
the table, and build your own states with a working
42:30
governmental system while you avoid the anarchy,
42:33
while you say goodbye to a system that no longer
42:36
works. Otherwise, it's a bloodbath. That's kind
42:39
of the system. That's kind of the
42:41
the scenario. Obviously, it's the post-Soviet
42:44
breakup. I don't think that would make sense
42:47
here. Obviously, the 50 states would
42:50
not make 50 viable nations. I don't see the independent
42:54
Republic of Rhode Island able to make a go of
42:57
it. Blocks of states makes a lot more sense.
43:00
The nation of New England,
43:03
Aaron Burr would be happy. Well, that's the whole
43:07
point of federalism. The biggest lie in American
43:09
history is that secession is not a right. Of
43:11
course it is. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments
43:14
make that abundantly clear. But Americans are
43:16
ignorant. And more and more people are afraid
43:19
of what a future like that looks like. And on
43:22
the right. So funny. Bad Cookie says, Ted
43:25
is adorably old. Look at him struggle to read
43:29
the print on screen, LOL. Yeah, well, it's true
43:32
that it gets harder to read as you get older.
43:35
But it's also true that the type on this screen
43:39
is ridiculous. I have a giant computer. But,
43:42
nothing I can do can bigify the fonts.
43:45
And it's basically a six-point font. I
43:48
don't think I could have read this well when
43:50
I was 14. Yeah. I don't know. I've got to squint
43:55
that stuff. But I think I have successfully managed
43:59
to shrink the Robby fan club on today's episode
44:01
by touching the sacred rails of revolution, counter
44:05
-revolution, and gayness. So I think we're back
44:10
on track to me being hated again. Oh thank God
44:13
it's things are as they are supposed to
44:15
be. Robby is my enemy if he wants to institute
44:19
another effing lavender scare. I don't think
44:26
I said that. I don't. I didn't hear that. I was
44:30
did I miss that while I was trying to squint
44:32
to read something. I don't know. Okay the cow
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Jamarl's coming back. Okay. Okay. Middle East.
45:55
I guess is the big thing. I can't believe we're
45:58
moving through this so quickly. Oh, and Comey's.
46:00
What should we do first? Screw Comey. Let's do
46:03
the Middle East. The Comey story is a non sequitur.
46:06
This is Trump trying to get cheap political points.
46:10
If Trump was serious about going after Comey,
46:13
Comey would be in prison right now. He's not
46:16
because it's all theater. To hell with that guy.
46:18
This is a stupid story. Let's do the Middle East.
46:20
That's all that's going to matter. Well, since
46:22
you did mention it, we're going to knock it down
46:25
here. Look, I just want to say this is another
46:27
politically motivated suit. And politically motivated
46:33
suits like the one against Ilhan Omar should
46:37
be illegal under our Constitution. That's all
46:39
I want to say. I said this before. I don't want
46:42
to belabor the point. We can move on to the Middle
46:44
East if you're cool with that. Yeah.
46:46
I have nothing to say about it. Comey,
46:48
it's just whenever he was arranged his seashells,
46:52
deep 1645, if they thought that he was actually
46:56
a threat against the Caesar, the president,
47:01
then he would be in prison right now. Comey is
47:05
resting comfortably, collecting his pension.
47:08
He's got his millions. He's happy. He's fine.
47:11
He's got his five houses, probably has six or
47:14
seven different mistresses. Some of which may
47:17
or may not be his nannies. I doubt that last
47:20
part. Who the hell knows? I'm not a fan
47:23
at all. Russiagate is not my favorite thing.
47:26
But yeah, I don't think, he just doesn't strike
47:29
me as the five or six different mistresses type.
47:33
Digital Design and Innovation says, I honestly
47:36
don't think Robby would be for another lavender
47:37
scare. That's a divisive tactic and he opposes
47:41
manufactured division. Manufactured divisions
47:46
have how the British conquered India, so let's not
47:47
do that. Let's not be on the receiving end of
47:51
that. All right, the Middle East. Okay, so today
47:55
is the election. Israelis are voting right now
47:58
as we speak. It's so funny. A lot of people in
48:04
the pundit class, people like the mainstreamers
48:07
like Tom Friedman at the New York Times, all
48:10
those neocon types. They seem to think that if
48:14
Netanyahu loses and or is unable to form a government,
48:19
that somehow that's going to put Israel on the
48:23
path to redemption. That the world will
48:26
say, well, this was the genocide was
48:29
all Netanyahu. And now the Israeli people have
48:32
voted against that and they can start to redeem
48:35
themselves. I don't see it that way at all.
48:39
As I see it. The way that the US and the
48:43
typical American voter, particularly those under
48:46
the age of 50, are looking at Israel, this is
48:49
a permanent shift. Israel is dead to them. I
48:53
think it might be different if they
48:57
were to elect someone who was radically far left
49:00
and was going to push for a Palestinian state.
49:03
But there's no one like that in Israeli mainstream
49:06
politics. The guy who can beat Netanyahu
49:10
isn't in favor of a Palestinian state. He's not
49:14
a nice person, a nice man. He's just not Netanyahu.
49:18
Netanyahu is the liberal. Yeah. Think
49:21
about what you just said. Mr. Charles just asked,
49:23
will it change anything if they get rid of Bibi?
49:25
Yeah, it gets worse. Think about that
49:28
for a second. Bibi Netanyahu, that dude is the
49:32
moderate. He's the moderate. It's in Russia,
49:37
how people say, if we get rid of Putin,
49:39
things would be better. No, Putin is the liberal.
49:44
Netanyahu is the liberal. The Israelis are pissed
49:46
off because Netanyahu isn't genocidal enough.
49:50
Yeah. No, frankly, I am amazed. I thought the
49:55
wars would kick off again over the weekend. I'm
49:58
surprised that it hasn't. Because I was fully
50:01
expecting Netanyahu to launch some kind of an
50:04
attack, tell Trump, okay, we're going to do this.
50:07
We need to rally around the flag effect. So
50:09
you'll be a good little boy and you're going
50:11
to start doing this now. The fact that that has
50:15
not happened is amazing. I was fully expecting
50:18
that to happen. And now I think probably what's
50:20
going to happen is that Trump is going to unleash
50:21
the gates of hell against Iran after the American
50:26
midterms. I hope I'm wrong. I think you're right
50:30
on both counts. Look, Netanyahu did go
50:32
to the IDF and asked for renewed strikes against
50:36
Iran. The IDF said no. What do you attribute
50:40
that? I kind of think to me that indicates
50:43
that the IDF doesn't think Netanyahu is going
50:46
to prevail in the election and that they don't
50:48
really have to listen to him, that the new boss
50:50
is going to be Eisenhower. And that'll be that.
50:53
And so they're not. Why do any favors for Netanyahu
50:56
at this point? I don't think it's that thing's
50:58
math. I don't think they have enough interceptors
51:00
because if that happens what's going to happen
51:03
Iran is going to unleash ever-living hail against
51:06
Israel and they don't have enough interceptors
51:10
to intercept all the drones all of the old slow
51:13
cruise missiles all the old slow no the ballistic
51:16
missiles and forget about the hypersonics trying
51:19
to get them anyway and Iran those last barrage
51:22
they were using cluster munitions so I think
51:26
that the IDF looked at the math and said, if
51:27
we do this, Israel will look like Gaza when Iran
51:33
is done. And that's why they did it. Iran has
51:38
made some statements about having the father
51:41
of all weapons, right? They're not describing
51:43
what it is. Countries during
51:46
wars, they bluster, they lie, they bluff. Is
51:50
this that? Or what do you think? Do you think
51:52
the Iranians have? It does feel to me.
51:55
Just that the Iranians keep as they started with
51:58
their shitty weapons and they've been getting,
52:00
they've been using the better stuff
52:02
as they've gone along, which is exactly the opposite
52:05
of what Trump and the Pentagon expected when
52:08
they started all this earlier this year. So,
52:10
well, of course, this would feed that
52:13
narrative. Oh, 100 percent. Let's just
52:17
say that, Ted, if you and me, if we were sitting
52:19
in Tehran, if I made you the supreme commander
52:22
of the Iranian military. And I was, God help
52:27
everyone, if I was the leader. And I come talk
52:32
to you and say, okay, Ted, I want to turn Israel
52:34
into a parking lot. Should I use my good stuff
52:43
first or let them deplete themselves using my
52:45
old slow stuff that's been sitting in warehouses
52:46
for 20 years? Use the old slow stuff. Why? Because
52:51
the math is for every interception that you do
52:53
you use between two to three interceptors so
52:57
you're trying to use up their old. Yeah you're
52:59
trying to use up the interceptors and if they
53:01
don't that old slow stuff still goes
53:03
boom when it hits the ground. It still
53:07
works and also there's a demoralizing effect
53:10
right. If you shoot your wad right away and
53:13
then later on, it's,
53:16
it's obviously the opposite of what
53:18
you want to do. You want it to be, it's
53:20
nine 11. Oh, they hit one building. Holy
53:22
shit. Holy shit. Wait, there's more. Oh my God.
53:25
There's more. Oh my God. There's more. Right.
53:27
That's you want to, that's
53:29
the impression you want to make. A hundred percent.
53:31
It's just if you're
53:33
taking care of your wife, you work up
53:36
to the grand event. You just don't just go in
53:38
for the kill. So that's what you do. Right. That's
53:42
true. I guess people might be shocked to know
53:47
that I'm married. I've been married for 20 years.
53:49
There's a reason for that. I know how to take
53:50
care of my woman. It's hard to find a good man.
53:53
And I know how to do war, too. And both ways,
53:56
the climax is what you're going for. So what
53:59
do you do? Foreplay is foreplay. And you hold
54:02
that off as long as you can, yeah. In war, you
54:04
nip around the edges and you just wear the enemy
54:06
down. That's what you do. True. So Black Spock
54:11
says, and thanks for the $10, Chekhov was part
54:13
of the bridge crew after season one. He was added
54:16
as a response to the band The Monkees. He was
54:20
a main character, and Spock and Kirk, too much
54:22
of the speaking parts. Hey, hey, we're the Monkees.
54:26
People say we're fooling around. Sorry. And thanks
54:31
for the $5 from Daniel Day. Sorry for not watching
54:35
your show lately, but I've been turning off politics.
54:38
Don't turn off politics. Politics will not turn
54:42
off you. OK, so what's your prediction for the
54:46
election? Look, Eisenhower is obviously going
54:48
to win. The question is, can he form a government?
54:52
Would he be willing to reach out to the Arab
54:54
parties? The answer to that last part is no,
54:57
because nobody will do that. So I guess the question
55:01
is, does Netanyahu, despite everything, get to
55:04
stay in power. I don't know. This is 50-50 as
55:07
far as I can tell. And we're not going to really
55:09
know for days. I think the most likely what will
55:12
happen is that Netanyahu will probably end up
55:14
staying in power because if he doesn't, he goes
55:17
to prison for corruption, him and his wife both.
55:19
And so they'll work out some kind of a deal.
55:22
But really, at the end of the day, the big loser
55:26
are going to be the Palestinians. And the second
55:30
biggest losers are going to be the Arab states.
55:32
I think they are led by a bunch of pussies
55:36
who refuse to defend their people. Speaking of
55:40
pussies, President el-Sisi of Egypt has requested
55:46
and has gotten together with the Egyptian parliament,
55:50
which is pretty much a rubber stamp body, to
55:53
send air defenses and aircraft to Saudi Arabia
55:57
who are getting pummeled by the Houthis. They
55:59
claim they're only sending defensive weapons.
56:02
They're not sending offensive weapons that they
56:05
can use to attack Yemen. Did you see what happened
56:10
in Kiev last night? Did you see the images that
56:12
were coming out? I did. Listen, the United
56:16
States has finally figured out that there are
56:20
limits to what it's able to do since it no longer
56:22
has an industrial base. There simply are not
56:25
enough interceptors to go around. It doesn't
56:29
work. You cannot be the arsenal of democracy
56:32
if you don't have a way to replenish your arsenal.
56:35
If you have no arsenal, right. In our case, the
56:40
arsenal of imperialism and neocolonialism. But
56:44
does Kiev get turned into a crater? I don't think
56:46
it's so much because Zelensky and Trump are having
56:50
a falling out. I think that's the political explanation
56:55
for it is because we simply do not have them.
56:57
If we had them, then I firmly believe that Netanyahu
57:01
would have started attacking Iran last week.
57:05
And the reason why the IDF said no is that we
57:07
do not have them. So the Saudis are desperate,
57:10
right? They have this mutual defense pact with
57:12
the Egyptians. Is there a danger that the Egyptians,
57:16
obviously there's a danger that the Egyptians
57:18
could get drawn into this beyond just providing
57:22
quote-unquote defensive capabilities to the
57:25
Saudis at this point because the Saudis
57:27
are going to say okay well that's not enough
57:29
right. Okay it's one thing for us to intercept
57:32
some of the incoming missiles from Yemen but
57:36
we've got to be able to go attack the
57:39
Houthis where they live or we're going to get
57:41
or we're going to lose. Well the question is is
57:43
will the Egyptian street allow him
57:48
to do it. Because the idea that you're going to
57:52
join Saudi Arabia, which is a corrupt state by
57:55
any measure, in a war against fellow Muslims
57:58
because they're blowing up this corrupt state
58:02
while the corrupt state actively helps and the
58:05
Israelis committed genocide against other Muslims.
58:08
Would a citizen Muslim in Cairo sign up for
58:11
that? To your point, even Hitler was
58:16
concerned about public opinion polls. And the
58:19
Egyptians are kind of spicy. So I'm sure that's
58:22
part of the math that Sisi is making. What happens
58:26
if I side with an ally of the Zionist entity
58:29
in defense of the Muslim nation while allowing
58:34
Muslims right next door to me to get slaughtered
58:36
and I do nothing? Yeah. I think we have similar
58:41
takes here. All right. So that does it for today's
58:44
episode of DeProgram with Ted Rall and
58:45
Jamarl Thomas. We'll be back tomorrow. Jeff
58:48
Dornick will be sitting in for Jamarl. We're
58:51
going two full hours. Coming up right now is
58:54
the TMI show with myself and Manila Chan. That
58:58
is at 10 o'clock Eastern time. That's right
59:00
now. Stay tuned. And thank you very much for
59:03
tuning in. Robby, thanks for sitting in for
59:05
Jamarl. And I'll see you on the other side in
59:08
TMI. All righty. And I look for the button to
59:14
click. There we go.