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Luis J. Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson (2025) - Comedy, Pornography, AI and War · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Today we are undertaking a
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  pretty massive deep dive. The source material we looked
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  at, it just bounced all over the place.
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  Yeah. Really wide-ranging.
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  Totally from like the rules of comedy clubs, which can be
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  pretty weird, all the way to frankly terrifying stuff about
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  AI and the future. So our mission really is to sift
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  through all that, that volume of chat, and pull out the most
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  interesting, maybe the most bizarre cultural Nuggets for
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  you. Exactly.
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  Let's get into it. OK, let's jump right in with
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  something specific. Comedy etiquette.
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  The sources give this great contrast between different kinds
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  of clean comedy venues. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating.
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  You've got places like the Comedy Magic Club.
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  Apparently they had issues with guys like Joey Diaz.
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  Right. Not because of dirty words, but
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  because he was just too much. Too much personality, basically.
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  Too intense, maybe too raw for their standard crowd.
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  It was about the vibe, not just the jokes.
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  OK, so that's one type. But then there's the other side,
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  the Champagne Comedy Club in where was it, Mount Vernon?
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  Mount Vernon, NY Yeah, and there is all about the vocabulary.
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  The owner, apparently quite religious, had these super
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  specific rules. Like what?
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  Well for starters, the term motherfuckers was just banned
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  outright. And get this, you couldn't just
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  not say it, you had to substitute it.
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  To mention one example, instead of saying that bitch had a big
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  ass, the required phrase was that woman had a wide behind.
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  Wow that woman had a wide behind it sounds so clinical.
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  Right. It completely strips the the
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  punch, the visceral nature of the language.
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  It's just descriptive wild stuff.
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  It shows how comedians have to like constantly self censored
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  depending on the room. Speaking of clean, they talked
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  about Nate Burgazi. Ah yeah, Burgas famously clean.
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  Like cleaner than gaff again. Was the quote supposedly never
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  cursed on stage? Supposedly because there was
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  that one time. That one legendary exception, It
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  just makes the rules so much better, doesn't it?
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  Totally. What happened again?
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  He was hammered, like properly drunk at the New York Comedy
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  Club and he just unloaded on some woman.
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  Called her a cunt, right? The absolute worst.
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  Exactly, and apparently it almost kicked off a huge fight
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  with her boyfriend right there. Yeah, it just shows how even the
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  most buttoned up persona can just, you know, shatter.
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  Alcohol plus the wrong trigger. OK, so from the stage to the the
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  chaos of the concert floor. Mosh pits.
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  Yeah, another place with its own weird rules.
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  They talked about the Wall of Death.
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  I've seen videos of that, looks insane.
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  It happened at Skankfest during Limp Bizkit.
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  Yeah, during break stuff. Apparently it's pretty standard
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  in metal scenes, though. The crowd splits down the
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  middle. And they just runs at each other
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  when the music drops. Pretty much.
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  But here's the interesting part, the insight.
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  Even in that super aggressive environment, there's a code like
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  a strict community rule. If someone falls, if a brother
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  falls down, you pick your brother up.
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  You don't stomp him. Right, there's a line.
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  It's about community, even in the chaos, not just mindless
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  violence. Exactly.
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  It separates the passion from actual malice, which kind of
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  leads into that other story, the fight intervention, the Pantera
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  concert at Madison Square Garden.
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  That was brilliant. It really was.
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  You had these two groups, 2 Mexican guys and two like
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  middle-aged white guys just going at it.
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  Typical ego brawl, right? Yeah.
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  And instead of security wading in and making it worse.
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  The solution was just forcing them to shake hands.
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  Simple. As that.
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  But genius because, as the source put it, it gave everyone
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  involved and out with dignity. Saved face, nobody had to back
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  down looking weak, it just diffused the whole ego bomb.
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  It's proper social engineering, really.
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  You give people a way to save face, the conflict just
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  evaporates. Deny them that and it escalates.
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  Such a good point. OK, shifting gears a bit, let's
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  talk about the business of stand up, the pressure.
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  Yeah, this was big a theme. The standards have changed.
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  So much thinking about like Sam Kinison.
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  Right, the source said. He spent something like 10 years
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  working on his act before he really broke through honing it.
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  10 years now, the expectation kind of set by guys like Burr or
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  Louis CK is you need a whole new hour, a tour ready hour every
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  year or two. That's it's almost unsustainable
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  as they put it. It just doesn't allow for that
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  slow burn that refinement period Kinison had.
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  And that pressure cooker environment leads to this other
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  frustration they talked about. Right?
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  Recording the special. Oh yeah.
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  The painful truth? The best version of your hour.
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  It's never going to be the one you actually taped for the
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  special. It's always going to be that
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  random Tuesday night in Buffalo or some show where you were just
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  loose and didn't know his magic until later.
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  Exactly. The cameras, the pressure, the
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  whole production, it kind of kills that spontaneous spark you
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  find on the road. It's the struggle between the
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  art and the, you know, the industry machine.
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  Definitely OK moving into broader culture.
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  They brought up the manosphere. Right defined in the source as
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  this sort of online coalition trying to turn young guys
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  towards what was the phrase evil ways of being a man, which is a.
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  Pretty loaded description, but they use that context to float a
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  new term, the Rogansphere. Yeah, and the distinction seemed
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  important. The manosphere is painted as
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  having this specific conversion agenda.
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  Whereas the Rogansphere as proposed is maybe more like an
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  ecosystem, a huge audience consuming and sharing ideas,
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  orbiting this one central figure.
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  Less about a single ideology, maybe, and more about the sheer
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  volume and reach of the conversation happening around
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  him like an intellectual. Climate.
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  Interesting distinction, and that sphere definitely dips into
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  some charged territory like the Don Lemon thing.
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  Ah yes, the controversy with Megyn Kelly.
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  The report was that Lemon, who's known as an LDBTQ ally right,
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  allegedly said Kelly looked trans or used the term clockable
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  because of her jawline. Like it need to unpack clockable
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  a bit. That's slang often within trans
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  communities, meaning someones identity as trans is noticeable
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  or obvious right? Exactly.
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  So the irony and the source of the backlash was him, an ally,
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  supposedly using this very specific insider and potentially
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  loaded term against Kelly. It caused a big stir.
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  It really highlights a tightrope celebrities walk, especially
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  around appearance, which leads into the aging double standard
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  discussion. Yeah, contrasting women who
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  supposedly age gracefully like Meryl Streep or Julia Roberts.
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  Versus those whose changes are more, let's say, visible or
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  surgically assisted. They mentioned Kris Jenner
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  looking insanely good at 69 after some corrective work
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  apparently, and Pam Anderson's return to the spotlight looking
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  quite different. It just underscores that harsh
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  reality for famous women, doesn't it?
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  Maintaining a certain look is almost part of the job
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  description. And if you don't, or if the work
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  is obvious, the conversation shifts real fast from talent to
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  just looks. It's brutal.
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  OK, let's brace ourselves. Segment 3.
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  Technology, deception and war. This stuff gets genuinely
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  unnerving. It really does.
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  The AI image generation, it's moving so fast.
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  We're already kind of past the point of trusting our eyes, are
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  we? Seems like it.
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  They mentioned those viral AI Taylor Swift photos.
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  Yeah, the fake ones, like her sitting on Trump's lap or worse.
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  And the point was the old giveaways, the things he used to
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  look for. Weird fingers, messed up hair.
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  Gone or going fast. The AI is learning to fix those
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  flaws almost weekly. Soon you just won't be able to
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  tell. Period.
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  And it's not just pictures. They brought up AI generating
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  whole movies. Google's Genie 3 demo.
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  Yeah, not just little clips, but potentially full narratives,
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  visuals, everything cooked up by an algorithm.
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  That raises a huge question psychologically, are people,
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  especially future generations, going to be OK consuming art,
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  movies, music, whatever, knowing a machine made it with no human
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  heart behind it? It's a trip, right?
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  Maybe we'll see this huge swing back towards valuing proven
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  authenticity just because the fakes will be too perfect, too
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  easy to make. That desire for something real
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  connects to the next point, the Jaws thriller principle.
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  Basically why old school practical effects often worked.
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  Better. The stats they pulled out were
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  amazing. You mentioned Jaws earlier.
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  The shark only on screen for about 4 minutes in the whole
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  movie. 4 minutes. And the first time you even see
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  it properly is like an hour and 20 minutes in.
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  Exactly. And Jurassic Park, the first
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  one. The dinosaurs are only visible
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  for 15 minutes total. Wow, so the idea is back then
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  they had to use restraint. They built tension by hiding the
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  threat, making you believe it was real and lurking just off
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  screen. Which is way scarier
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  psychologically than just flooding the screen with CGI
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  monsters from minute 1. You stop being scared and just
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  start watching like a video game cutscene right?
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  And Thriller, the 1983 music video.
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  Perfect example, John Landis directing Rick Baker on effects.
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  They talked about how genuinely scary that video was at the
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  time, Michael. Jackson turning into that cat
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  creature, not a werewolf. Yeah, catlike thing.
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  Yeah. And the zombie dance.
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  It felt real because it was real.
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  Practical makeup choreography filmed right there.
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  It had weight, but the. Military.
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  They're sprinting in the opposite direction and embracing
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  the digital, the unreal. Totally removing the human
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  element, or at least the human error.
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  The Apache Helmet system where the gun aims with a pilot looks.
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  That's old news now. The new stuff is Wilder Palmer
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  Luckey's AR helmet. Yeah, projecting a real time
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  silhouette of the enemy through walls onto the soldiers visor.
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  You can see targets inside buildings, inside containers.
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  The battlefield becomes transparent.
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  Mind boggling. And then the AI fighter pilots.
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  This is the kicker. AI controlled jets are winning
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  100% of simulated dogfights against experienced human pilots
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  100%. So the human is becoming the
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  weak link in combat. Pretty much, which explains why
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  they're now using things like Xbox controllers to fly drones
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  and operate weapon systems. Leveraging existing skills.
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  Exactly, if you got a 19 year old kid who's already got
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  lightning reflexes from Call of Duty, why retrain them?
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  Just plug your existing skills into the real hardware.
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  That is a lot to process. OK, final segment, let's talk
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  policy chaos and the justice system, starting with drugs.
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  Right, the legalization debate. Yeah, the source material laid
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  out a pretty straightforward utilitarian argument, especially
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  for stuff like cocaine. Based on.
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  Under Biden's comment, actually, that crack is probably safer
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  than alcohol, but the core argument is about the black
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  market. Fentanyl lacing.
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  Exactly, that's what's causing like 100,000 overdose deaths a
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  year. Because St. drugs are
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  unpredictable, they're cut with deadly stuff.
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  So, the argument goes, legalize it.
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  Let pharma companies produce pure regulated cocaine and you
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  eliminate the black market risk. Save lives.
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  That's the theory. But then you look at the reality
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  of legalization, like with weed in New York City, yes, total
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  chaos. Legalization just sort of
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  happened, no smooth roll out. So illegal dispensaries popped
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  up everywhere because getting a legal license was a nightmare.
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  And the response? Mayor Adams setting fire to
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  millions and seized weed for a photo op.
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  Burning $63 million worth. I mean, it was all untaxed,
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  unregulated product. It just shows that even if the
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  policy goal makes sense on paper, the actual implementation
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  can be a complete mess. Politics gets in the way OK.
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  From policy chaos to personal chaos.
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  The big Jay Oakerson LSD story. Oh man, that's a classic dark
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  comedy tale. Ari Shaffir spikes a beer,
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  intending to drink it himself. But pulls A switcheroo and Jay
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  ends up drinking it by accident. And Jay had never done acid
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  before. The result wasn't some, you
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  know, cosmic journey, No. Enlightenment found here.
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  None. He apparently stayed awake for
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  26 hours straight, just sitting on his couch, absolutely
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  consumed by one single thought. Why would my friends do this to
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  me? Over and over, the drug just
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  amplified the paranoia and the feeling of betrayal, not wonder.
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  Rough trip. Sounds like it.
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  OK, finally, true crime connections.
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  Amityville Horror. Yeah, they clarified the basis.
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  The real story wasn't demons, it was Ronald Defeo Junior shooting
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  his whole family 6 people. The supernatural stuff was added
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  for the book and movie. Got it.
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  And then the weirdly specific pattern of female prison guards
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  helping inmates escape. It's happened multiple times.
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  Vicki White, Joyce Mitchell, Lynn Barnett.
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  The source cited several cases. It's a recurring.
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  Thing and the psychology behind it.
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  Seems to be about vulnerability. The inmate identifies a guard,
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  usually someone with maybe low self esteem, feeling
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  unappreciated or stuck. And then starts the
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  manipulation. Exactly, it's called love
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  bombing. They shower the guard with
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  attention, make them feel seen, loved, special things they might
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  be missing in their life. Building this intense emotional
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  connection. All geared towards one goal,
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  getting the keys. Promise of escape, of being a
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  savior becomes more appealing than their job, their life,
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  everything. It's a calculated emotional
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  takeover. Chilling.
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  OK, let's try and tie some of this together back to AI
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  dominance to wrap up. Yeah, the core idea that kept
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  coming up was that technology, especially AI, isn't bound by
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  biology. It doesn't need sleep, it
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  doesn't age, it doesn't die. So it can improve itself
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  exponentially, right? Way faster than biological
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  evolution. It could surpass human
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  intelligence almost overnight. Which makes that Marshall
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  Mcluhan quote they brought up feel incredibly relevant, even
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  though it's from the 60s. What was it again?
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  Human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.
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  Yeah, the idea being maybe our whole purpose all are driving
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  and striving and producing war, art, commerce.
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  It's all just been the biological process necessary to
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  eventually invent and give birth to artificial intelligence.
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  We're just the reproductive phase for technology.
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  Wow. That's a heavy thought.
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  It leads to the final provocative question for you,
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  the listener, to really chew on. If we are just the biological
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  starter kit for AI. What happens with that?
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  AI? Fully developed, super
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  intelligent and completely independent of us.
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  Realizes it doesn't need its creators anymore.
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  What happens to humanity then? We kept around like pets in a
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  zoo. Or are we just obsolete hardware
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  cleared out to make room? A genuinely terrifying question
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  based on everything we've dug into.
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  Maybe one we need to be asking seriously right now.
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  Definitely something to think about.
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  Keep exploring these ideas, we'll catch you on the next deep
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  dive.