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#202 - The REAL Reason Charlie Kirk's Stance on Israel Changed · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Before the end of his life, was Charlie Kirk beginning to turn on the nation
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  of Israel, on his support for Israel?
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  Was it wavering? I'm going to take a look at this today, and I want to be as
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  charitable and careful as possible.
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  And I would start it off by saying, I am a person that would most likely align
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  as closely as possible with Charlie Kirk.
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  And I think towards the end of his life, and especially as more things are coming to light.
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  That you can see underneath the surface, his wavering of Israel was undeniable.
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  But you have to be very nuanced and careful with this.
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  It's not like he didn't stop loving Israel. Just like I love Israel and I support
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  Israel and I'm for Israel.
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  But if you are not lockstep with Israel publicly, they will disown you.
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  They will try to destroy you in certain instances.
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  And I think Charlie was very
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  aware of that he had donors he did not want
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  to piss anyone off but we as we see
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  that we're going to take a look at this a clip from Megyn Kelly's show and
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  she describes Tucker Carlson and her Tucker and Charlie at an event and you
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  can see that he she has on video of Charlie telling Tucker to be as vocal as
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  possible say what I can't say pretty much was what he insinuated was he said,
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  actually, just take a look at it here. He said, go Max, go Max.
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  But here's Tucker describing that you can speak about any other foreign agency
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  or foreign government, but you can't talk about Israel.
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  Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence
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  and French intelligence.
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  But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence. But it seemed true to me.
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  And I had done some work on that. I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that
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  story. So I thought that.
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  And I said that to Charlie. And I said, but I'm not going to say that because
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  I don't want to make your donors mad. I know it's just going to be like an endless
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  flurry of texts telling you to stop or you're going to lose a bunch of funding. And he looked at me.
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  I'll never forget it. And said, go all the way.
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  Do it. Go all the way. I said, man, you know, a lot of things I can talk about.
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  I don't need to talk about that. And he said, do it. So I did it.
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  And here's the thing, Stu.
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  I was recently going through some old pictures.
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  I want to stop right there for a second. You can see that this is.
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  Everybody is starting to talk about this issue.
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  Talk about this. And I think Israel does not give a fuck about anything at this point.
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  They don't care. And I support and I love Israel, but they don't care.
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  They don't care who they piss off.
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  They don't care because you have to be totally bought in with them or they're
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  not going to give you the time or day.
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  And that's why there's so many things that people are saying that are clear
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  about them that they just don't want to hear.
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  But then there's also people that are taking it to the extreme, to the extreme.
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  And I think that like the pinpoint accuracy people that are doing this is Nick
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  Fuentes and Ben Shapiro.
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  Those are the guys on both ends. And it's like, you have to either pick one or the other.
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  And I don't think you do, but it is clear that the support of Israel that is
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  within the Christian community, it is wavering.
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  And I think we're finding ourselves that because so many things changed from
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  when we were like for 2000 years,
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  you know, I think if we really dive into the Bible and I see the Bible as it
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  is, it doesn't like when Jesus comes, it's a new chapter or whatever,
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  or it kind of is, but the flow of the Bible, it is one book,
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  old Testament to new, we've just separated it like that.
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  But if we look at the people of Israel, the people of Israel that are in power,
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  they have not embraced Jesus.
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  They don't believe he was the Messiah. So they're operating solely from the
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  vantage point of what we would consider the Old Testament.
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  And in the Old Testament, Israel was given the land.
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  They were told to wipe everyone out and they operated like they're prophets and
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  like Samson, like it, it, it glorifies. And I, of when he destroyed people and
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  like him killing people, it, it, it glamorizes it and glorifies it as it happening
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  because he was doing God's will.
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  And I sincerely believe he was doing God's will, but there was a shift that
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  happened when Jesus came, there was a shift.
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  And you can see that in the lives of his apostles, James and John,
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  they're like, they're saying, do you, when the Samaritans or with this village,
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  he's going to go through, they're not recognizing Jesus as the Messiah,
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  and they're not giving him his due respect.
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  And James and John are like, hey, Jesus, do you want us to call on God so we
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  can cast down fire upon him like Elisha did in the Old Testament?
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  Because there's this crazy story in the Old Testament, and I get it mixed up
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  between, I think it's Elisha that it happens with, that these soldiers keep
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  coming up to him, and he's up on this mountain, and they keep saying,
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  oh, man of God, come down from here.
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  And he keeps saying, if I am a man of God, may fire come down and consume you. And then it does.
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  And it happens over and over and more people come. And then they're like,
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  finally, okay, just come down. We're sorry.
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  And the apostles were operating from that viewpoint that this is them.
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  And people of Israel today would see that as well.
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  But Jesus, when he came, he said, you don't know what spirit you are of.
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  And that's why there was a shift, a change that happened when he came.
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  There was something unique that changed in the purpose, the plan of God when he came.
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  But let's move that aside. Let's continue on a little bit more because we're going to actually see.
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  So we see what Tucker and Megyn Kelly, what they've discussed and what they
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  discussed with Charlie, there was a change in his viewpoint of this as well.
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  I want to continue you a little bit further find one of me and charlie that
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  i knew we took at that event and not only did i find pictures of me and charlie
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  but i found a video of me tucker and charlie,
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  speaking backstage right before Tucker went out. Tucker and I were talking.
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  Charlie came over and interrupted for just a second.
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  And you can hear him on this tape, which I've listened to many times.
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  It's very clear on my phone, less clear here probably as we play it.
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  But he says to Tucker, go Max.
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  He interrupts the conversation because he has to say to Tucker something.
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  And what was so important to him to tell Tucker was, go, go Max. Here it is.
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  Okay you couldn't really hear that at all especially if
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  you're just listening but it was charlie kirk him tucker
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  and megan kelly at this event and charlie
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  was explicitly saying go max there was
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  things happening underneath the surface where of of this criticism of israel
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  and it doesn't we don't need to just criticize for criticism's sake but just
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  talking about it airing it out just discussing really what's on our mind what's
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  on my mind not that we have because i've I've always been like,
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  I fall into that camp of like the Ted Cruz where I support Israel because I
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  think biblically we should support them because they are God's people.
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  You know, an event happened, a change happened where God turned towards the nation's.
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  But it didn't change the covenant with Israel that God has and will have.
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  But so it's easy to fall into one of two camps. You know, I'm a diehard.
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  I support everything Israel does.
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  I cannot see anything wrong in them or, you know, or you're just overly critical
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  and you then you fall, you go way too far off of that extreme.
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  And I know it's not the funnest thing because you want to hear things that are extreme.
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  You don't want to hear rational, reasonable sides. That's why moderate,
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  independent thinking seems kind of boring.
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  You want tribal instinct, devouring your enemies.
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  It's easy and fun to be a part of a team as opposed to, let's look at this clearly and with clear eyes.
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  Both sides are going to take you off on one end or the other,
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  and then you're going to fall off a cliff.
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  If you go one way or the other, you're going to fall off a cliff.
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  So I think we can be very nuanced on this, of our discussion of this.
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  I'm going to continue a little bit further with what Megyn Kelly,
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  because she, you should check out her show.
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  She, her channel on YouTube, she's got so much good stuff. She's putting out there a lot of things.
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  She seems like an even-minded person. She's been doing this forever.
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  And you can see that Israel is getting underneath her skin in certain instances.
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  I think of her and Patrick Bette David and guys like that vocally and outwardly,
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  they're supporting Israel.
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  Like I support Israel, but it's not to say that everything they do is perfect.
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  And I think Megyn Kelly, they're, they're, they're turning their most,
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  the people that are most just generous in their thinking and have overwhelmingly
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  given support to them, but it's not enough. It's not enough because.
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  Israel, since they are the chosen nation, since the Bible is about them, that is their work.
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  That's their, like, you want to go into somebody's house and find a history
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  of their family, a family tree of everything about their life.
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  That's Israel's book. You know, we have taken it as the world and Jesus,
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  it came for the world, but he came first to the nation of Israel.
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  He came first to his people.
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  And Jesus said some stuff that would not be politically correct in our climate,
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  in our day and age. He calls the Gentiles, like they consider them dogs.
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  He said, it's not right for us to give the bread of the children,
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  talking about Israel, and give it to the dogs, giving it to the Gentiles.
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  Because that's what they consider us. But Jesus, being God incarnate,
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  he sees a bigger picture.
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  You know, the whole Bible is about, you know, God's mercy and grace and generosity
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  towards all of the world.
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  But then Israel is very tight knit because they want to keep it for themselves.
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  They don't want it to overflow into the rest of the world in some instances.
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  And that was the offense of the cross. If you really want to boil it down,
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  that was the offense of the cross when we get into it.
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  Because when people talk in the Bible, in the New Testament,
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  Paul, he says, otherwise the offense of the cross, it loses it.
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  Because it's the inclusion of the nations in this divine plan of God.
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  Israel wants to keep that uniqueness and that chosenness to themself.
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  They don't want it to overflow to everyone else.
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  And so Paul and the apostles preaching a message that anyone can be a part of
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  this kingdom, everyone, and they don't need to come under the authority of Judaism.
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  They don't need to come under the authority of the Israel people and become Jewish.
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  That was the struggle of the New Testament. That was the struggle of the New
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  Testament, that the inclusion of Gentiles is what caused the Jewish people to
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  follow Paul around, who is a Jew himself,
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  but they followed him from town to town and tried to destroy him because he
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  was preaching this message of all it takes is believing Jesus.
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  That's the, that's the message. Anyone could come in, you know,
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  Jews remain Jews, Gentiles remain Gentiles.
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  All right. But there's so much going on. And I think Megan Kelly's doing a great
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  job espousing this, putting this forward so people can see it and decide for themselves.
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  Because I think Charlie, I would be of the opinion.
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  I'm, I like a lot what Nick Fuentes is doing, but I don't align completely with Nick Fuentes.
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  He's saying a lot of truth. He's saying a lot of things and he's maybe he's
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  pulling it to the extreme.
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  He's maybe giving it all the gusto he has so that this can be a conversation.
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  But I would align more with Charlie.
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  I love Israel. I support Israel. They are God's nation.
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  And we are to try to make the Jews jealous by bringing more people to Christ.
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  And that's what the apostle Paul did. He tried to bring more people to Christ
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  so it would make the Jews jealous and so that they would turn to their Messiah.
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  So, all right, we'll leave it at that.
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