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UK Column News Podcast 22nd November 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Friday, the twenty second of November
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Welcome to UK column News. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Brian Gerrish. Delighted to be joined today by Debbie Evans,
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Speaker 1: but sadly Mark Anderson will not be joining us from
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Speaker 1: the States as he's poorly today. But nevertheless we've got
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Speaker 1: a very interesting and we think exciting news for you today.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be focusing on health, the fallout really
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Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, the vaccinations lockdown policy and above all
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Speaker 1: the work of our supposed regulator, the MHRA. And we
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Speaker 1: have a particular announcement to make this is an exclusive
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Speaker 1: UK column News. We're hoping to be joined by Cheryl
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Speaker 1: Granger a little bit later in the news. Now. We'll
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Speaker 1: tell you more in due course, but I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to start off by saying, let's remind ourselves a little
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Speaker 1: bit of all the work that the UK column team did,
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Speaker 1: particularly Debbie and cheryld Grainger, in order to inform the
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Speaker 1: UK public what was really happening around the vaccination program
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Speaker 1: and in particular adverse reactions as recorded on the yellow
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Speaker 1: card system run by the MHRA. Now, this is just
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Speaker 1: a very small selection of articles and reports that UK
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Speaker 1: Column put out. There's no smoke without fire. There's Debbie's blog,
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Speaker 1: there's articles and interviews, and we just continue on through.
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Speaker 1: We even got the engagement of people like Sir Christopher Chopemp,
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Speaker 1: who was very happy to say to us that he
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Speaker 1: was very willing to learn more about the failures of
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Speaker 1: the system and how the system actually worked, because it
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Speaker 1: was clear when we talked to him in private at least,
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Speaker 1: that he he had little understanding in some areas. And
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Speaker 1: of course we shouldn't blame him for that, because of
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Speaker 1: course MPs and members of the Lords were not being
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Speaker 1: properly briefed on what was happening, and so it took
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Speaker 1: the UK Column team to step up to the mark
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Speaker 1: in order to start pushing out more information. I've already
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Speaker 1: mentioned this lady's name, but let's poper on screen. Cheryl
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Speaker 1: Granger has been working with the UK Column and working
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Speaker 1: on her own in the background to tackle what we
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Speaker 1: believe is a complete failure of the MHR regulatory system
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Speaker 1: at least to try and keep the UK public safe.
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Speaker 1: So Cheryl has done a huge amount of work and
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Speaker 1: she's going to be central to today's news and We
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Speaker 1: very much hope that in the latter stages of today's
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Speaker 1: news we're going to be able to have Cheryl with
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Speaker 1: us to tell us a little bit more about what's happening.
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Speaker 1: I've so stay posted for that.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I want to also remind the audience today that all
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Speaker 1: of the data that UK Column stored onto the database.
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Speaker 1: This was government release data which has subsequently disappeared from
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Speaker 1: MHR channels at least, but you can still find it here.
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Speaker 1: If you go to www. Dot Yellowcard, dot UK column
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Speaker 1: dot org. You see the yellow opening page and if
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Speaker 1: you click on view Adverse Reaction Data, that will take
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Speaker 1: you into the database itself and you will see something
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Speaker 1: like this where you can actually see the actual government
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Speaker 1: figures on the respective vaccine manufacturers. You can see the reports,
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Speaker 1: the reactions and the fatalities. But most importantly, you can
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Speaker 1: enter into the database and search for particular things that
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Speaker 1: you are particularly interested in. So that hasn't that material
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Speaker 1: hasn't gone away, and that is the address for you
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Speaker 1: to access it. Now, Debbie, let me welcome you to
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Speaker 1: the UK Column. It seems we have the more mature
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Speaker 1: team on today, so we'll do our best. And what
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Speaker 1: have you got and what can you tell us about
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Speaker 1: this special event around MHR and MHR data.
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Speaker 3: Well, yes, good afternoon everyone. Lovely to be here as always,
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Speaker 3: and as you know, the MHR have been well, we've
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Speaker 3: had them scrutinizing them for since the beginning of the
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Speaker 3: lock up, and I have to say that Cheryl Granger
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Speaker 3: has been an absolute store. She's been incredible. You have
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Speaker 3: no idea what she's been doing behind the scenes. And
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Speaker 3: this is all with regards to pregnancy monitoring data. So
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Speaker 3: this is going to be It's groundbreaking, It's simply groundbreaking.
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Speaker 3: So please stay tuned to the end of the news
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Speaker 3: and those of you who are vaccine injured, vaccine bereaved,
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that this news will be particularly important for
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Speaker 3: you as well. But before we get on to more
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Speaker 3: about the MHRA, because there will be more about the MHRA,
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Speaker 3: let's talk about Antimicrobial Resistance Awareness Week, because that's what
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Speaker 3: it is, and of course Charles Mallett was talking about
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Speaker 3: it on Wednesday with regards to one health and animals.
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Speaker 3: But I want to focus a little bit on what's
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Speaker 3: been going on on the human side, and I've got
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Speaker 3: a video to show you, and I do apologize in advance.
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Speaker 3: Some of the children that they have used are actually
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Speaker 3: probably too young to properly for us to properly understand them.
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Speaker 3: They are literally that young. And I have to say
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Speaker 3: that vaccines and antimicrobial resistance are inextricably linked. So let's
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Speaker 3: have a look at this little piece of video.
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Speaker 4: At biological One. Thoughts were to look at other work.
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Speaker 4: But we don't use antoppoticly Wisely, you can lead to
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Speaker 4: anti microbial resistance and making party treat Ninety five percent
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Speaker 4: of people who think they have a penicillin allergy aren't
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Speaker 4: actually allergic. Corse, allergies lead to patiently steeping.
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Speaker 2: That's effective treatment.
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Speaker 4: I can stay in the hospital longer.
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Speaker 2: Taking diagnostic examples before starting antibiotics means that we can
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Speaker 2: start mat and then focus when treating patients.
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Speaker 4: Let me, switching to oral antibiotics can save the NHS
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Speaker 4: millions and means patients can.
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Speaker 3: Go home sooner.
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Speaker 2: Invactual prevention is important. Who vaccines tell those people certain infections.
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Speaker 2: I have had my vaccine to PreTect me and my friends.
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Speaker 2: Anti microbial resistant is everyone's from.
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Speaker 4: I want to gad I'm kibiotic when I go on
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Speaker 4: so a'mtibiotic cardian, Are you.
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Speaker 1: Wi? If I may? If I could just come back
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Speaker 1: in there, because I'm seeing that video for the first
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Speaker 1: time along with UK column view as the audience today,
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Speaker 1: I find this utterly disgusting that young children are being
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Speaker 1: used to push across a message which they cannot possibly understand.
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Speaker 1: I would go so far as to say this that
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Speaker 1: is actually abuse of children. And I wonder what the
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Speaker 1: children's reaction would be if they were showing people in
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Speaker 1: wheelchairs as a result of vaccine damage. I think this
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Speaker 1: is utterly discreet. Whoever produces this.
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Speaker 3: Video, yeah, it was Lancashire NHS Trust and there were
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Speaker 3: the Internet is abounding with antimicrobia resistance and I chose
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Speaker 3: that one Brian specifically for that reason because I felt
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Speaker 3: it was so shocking. Those children cannot possibly know what
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Speaker 3: they're saying, They cannot possibly understand what they're saying. But
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Speaker 3: who else is hearing them? And we have to go
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Speaker 3: back really to Dame Sally Davis and act now that's
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Speaker 3: what she wants to do. Act and play, Act and play.
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Speaker 3: This is all the whole message of antimicrobia resistance, and
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Speaker 3: Dame Sally Davis well she's a resistance fighter, don't you know,
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Speaker 3: And she calls herself a resistance fighter. But let's just
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Speaker 3: remind ourselves of who she actually is, because she was
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Speaker 3: a previous Chief Medical Officer and she is now the
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Speaker 3: UK Special Envoy for Antimicrobia resistance, and Antimicrobia resistance is
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Speaker 3: her baby. And I don't forget Mike's often talking about
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Speaker 3: her because she's the lady that recommended using baby wipes
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Speaker 3: when wiping your hands. If you should touch novichok, I'll
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Speaker 3: say no more. But here are few of her tweets
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Speaker 3: because she's Superwoman. So this is the first tweet where
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Speaker 3: she says that superbugs are on the rampage. And note
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Speaker 3: please that this is in a hospital environment, and she
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Speaker 3: very much looks like the cartoon character. And she says
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Speaker 3: tests show bacterial infections and she's got superpower. And if
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Speaker 3: we go to the next slide, we've got part two
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Speaker 3: because her superpowers now in the local hospital. Please note
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Speaker 3: that these are hospitals she's showing, but they're waning. So
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Speaker 3: what should she do? Well In the next slide, you'll
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Speaker 3: see that she's flying off to the United Nations because
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Speaker 3: together she and the United Nations can beat AMR. So
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Speaker 3: I decided to fly off to the United Nations as well.
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Speaker 3: And who did I see there but Ted Ross. This
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Speaker 3: was just last week. This was in Jedda where they
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Speaker 3: had a heart level ministerial meeting talking about antimicrobial resistance
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Speaker 3: and what did he have to say? So what he
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Speaker 3: had to say was that he felt he said that
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Speaker 3: AMR was killing one point three million people a year.
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Speaker 3: We have to act now. So as well as Dame
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Speaker 3: Sally Davis, I'm going to introduce you to Professor Doctor
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Speaker 3: Professor Diane Ashiru. She's the lead pharmacist for antimicrobial resistance
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Speaker 3: in the UK. She's a Professor of Public Health. And
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Speaker 3: here she is showing off her cupcakes for Antibiotic and
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Speaker 3: Antimicrobial Awareness Week, her aware cakes and if you zoom
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Speaker 3: into that at some point you'll see lots of bugs
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Speaker 3: and lots of lovely things on her cakes. But it's
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Speaker 3: a massive, massive issue, and I just want to show
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Speaker 3: you a selection of what's been circulating around social media,
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Speaker 3: so we'll go through them quite quickly. So here we've
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Speaker 3: got the HSC memes. Antibiotics we're discovered one hundred years ago.
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Speaker 3: We need to keep them effective for another hundred years.
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Speaker 3: We've got a meme there from the World Health Organization
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Speaker 3: antibiotics are life savers, and we can go on and
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Speaker 3: see that on Twitter or x. The UKHSA have gone blue.
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Speaker 3: This is the Qnard and Royal Livera buildings. It's flooded
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Speaker 3: in blue neon light because apparently that's the color of AMR.
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Speaker 3: And then we've got the NHS moving forward, the NHS
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Speaker 3: Antimicrobial Stewardship, and we see mention of the sustainable goals.
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Speaker 3: If you just flip through these slides fairly quickly, Brian,
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Speaker 3: I just literally want to show what a massive, massive
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Speaker 3: deal this. I mean, you can see the sustainable goals
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Speaker 3: up there. If we go on to the next one,
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Speaker 3: We've got the National Institute of Health keeping antibiotics working
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Speaker 3: the UKHSA Targeting Programming GPS to learn about antimicrobial resistance.
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Speaker 3: We've got the Royal Orthopedic Hospital, the NIHR Antibiotic Guardian,
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Speaker 3: and then we can turn the UKHSA blue again. Three
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Speaker 3: steps to take only take when proscrire well. You know what,
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Speaker 3: in the UK United Kingdom, we can only get antibiotics
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Speaker 3: if they're on prescription, So I don't know how they
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Speaker 3: think we're taking them when we're not prescribed them. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: moving on, we can see that we've got the World
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Speaker 3: Health Organization advertising antibiotic resistance and West Yorkshire Health and
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Speaker 3: Care Partnership and then we go on again. So this one,
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Speaker 3: thank you Kenny for sending me this tweet from the UKHSA.
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Speaker 3: Do go and read this blog how science and snake
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Speaker 3: Bites is taking on superbugs. Thank you Kenny for that.
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Speaker 3: But what's the alternative? So according to Antibiotic Research UK,
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Speaker 3: we're looking at mRNA. Of course, the mRNA platform, the
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Speaker 3: one platform that we really should never ever have used.
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Speaker 3: And if we go on to Medical Press we can
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Speaker 3: see that they're also investigating mRNA antibiotics. And there's even more.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to Science Direct who are talking about mRNA
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Speaker 3: vaccine platforms to prevent bacterial infections. But what of now?
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Speaker 3: What of today? What are the NHS says today? Well,
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Speaker 3: they're saying, watch out, folks, we've got a highly contagious
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Speaker 3: superbug that's hitting the UK and bingo, it's EcoLine. We've
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Speaker 3: talked so many times about EcoLine and here we go again,
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Speaker 3: and this is causing apparently sixty five percent of antibiotic
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Speaker 3: resistance infections over the last five years. So well, we
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Speaker 3: need to look at the indicators. So I went to
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Speaker 3: the Department of Health and Social Care and I looked
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Speaker 3: at the antimicrobial Resistance Local Indicators which were produced by
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Speaker 3: the UKAHSA. And on the next slide you can see
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Speaker 3: that top of the poops is seediff, which is a bacteria.
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Speaker 3: It affects the bow mainly after antibiotics. And then we've
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Speaker 3: got ecolin, which is also antibiotic resistance. And we've also
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Speaker 3: got clubs yeller and that's a bug that lives in
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Speaker 3: the guts, but if it gets to the lungs, it
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Speaker 3: causes huge problems. And these are all hospital acquired infections.
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Speaker 3: I have to highlight that hospital acquired, so if we're
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Speaker 3: going to see hospitals closed in the future, you'll know why.
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Speaker 3: And I've found this company, Glockx Therapeutics. They've been given
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Speaker 3: a massive one million PACE grant to accelerate development of
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Speaker 3: precision antibiotics. What in pneumonia, Ecoli, clubsila, high value, high
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Speaker 3: risk early phase drug discovery. If you want to go
14:18
Speaker 3: and look at their website, there's a screenshot of it here,
14:21
Speaker 3: please go and have a look. They're huge. And the CEO,
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Speaker 3: James Clark, he's got great history glaxosmith Klein and Entero Biotics.
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Speaker 3: Every time the word Entero is mentioned, please think intestines.
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Speaker 3: So lots going on on AMR, and there's going to
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Speaker 3: be lots more going on in AMR as well.
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Speaker 1: Deby, thank you very much for that. Now I'm going
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Speaker 1: to say to the audience, I'm going to do a
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Speaker 1: very short comment really on the Russian ICBM launch in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about it. But what I
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Speaker 1: also want to emphasize is why many, well many people
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Speaker 1: are becoming very fearful of the situation and what seems
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Speaker 1: to be a creep towards World War III. We at
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Speaker 1: UK column are going to say, pay attention to the basics,
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Speaker 1: what's happening around the pharmaceutical industry and attacks on our health,
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Speaker 1: and also think about our children because the government grooming
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Speaker 1: and attacks on our children and our children minds still happening.
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Speaker 1: Let's just pop that one back on screen. This is
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Speaker 1: the male with a very emotive, if somewhat strange headline page.
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Speaker 1: Lots of videos of rockets going off, putin ups the
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Speaker 1: stakes moment. Nuclear cable, Russian long range missile strikes Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: But the key thing about this attack is that, of
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Speaker 1: course Ukraine did not carry out the attack along range
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Speaker 1: of long range missiles on Russian soil. That was done
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Speaker 1: by using NATO expertise on the ground, whether it was
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Speaker 1: US or uk possibly German. So we are fully involved
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Speaker 1: in this war now attacking Russian sovereign soil. And what
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Speaker 1: did the Russians do? They demonstrated another missile system to
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Speaker 1: which or against which the West simply has no defense.
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Speaker 1: This is a little bit of film footage that's been
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Speaker 1: circulated not only on social media, but also appearing in
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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. And although it happens very quickly, you
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Speaker 1: will see an extraordinary site of warheads coming down through
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Speaker 1: the cloud cover and they're actually coming down in groups
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Speaker 1: of six. And this is the result of a long
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Speaker 1: range missile attack ICBM attacked by the Russians, and the
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Speaker 1: Russians are demonstrating once again that they have technology. The
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Speaker 1: West has no defense against this. Now, if we look
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Speaker 1: at how the male dealt with this, they went to
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Speaker 1: this lady Dr Ruth Diamond for comment. She's from King's College, London.
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Speaker 1: She said, this strike is no obvious military value. They
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Speaker 1: could achieve the same objectives without sacrificing an ICBM or
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Speaker 1: advanced missile. She went on to say, it looks very
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Speaker 1: much as if it's signaling to the West what Russia
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Speaker 1: could do if it chose to launch a nuclear missile.
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Speaker 1: But actually it's a sign of weakness. Just think of
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Speaker 1: what this woman is actually saying. I'm going to say
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Speaker 1: unbelievably immature, because Russia is absolutely demonstrating what it's capable
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Speaker 1: of with weapon systems against which the West has no defense.
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Speaker 1: She goes on, the Russian government knows what would happen
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Speaker 1: if they did attempt to use any kind of nuclear weapon,
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Speaker 1: so they have to resort to bluffing. Well, the Russians
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Speaker 1: have steadily shown that they're not blushing. Bluff excuse me,
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Speaker 1: They are not bluffing about anything to do with the
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Speaker 1: Ukraine War. And of course, as the advances on the
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Speaker 1: battlefield continue, they are demonstrating their winning this war, which
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Speaker 1: they're fighting not just against Ukraine but against NATO itself.
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Speaker 1: So this lady is truly unbelievable. But if you go
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Speaker 1: back in time, and this is a report she did
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Speaker 1: on YouTube watched by a few hundred people in February
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. She was busy saying that NATO, rather
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Speaker 1: than being weakened, is showing much more quick coherence. Well,
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Speaker 1: if we think about what we are seeing around NATO
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, we're seeing absolute chaos and breakdown.
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Speaker 1: So what is the expertise of the woman that's chosen
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Speaker 1: to comment on this. Well, here she is Dr Ruth Diamond,
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Speaker 1: senior lecturer in post Soviet security. And if we get
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Speaker 1: into a background, she completed a PhD in government and
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Speaker 1: an MA in International relations. Before this, she worked in
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Speaker 1: the treasury, so she was into financial institutions. She's got
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Speaker 1: a degree in English Language and literature and an MA
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Speaker 1: in English and European Renaissance drama. I'm going to say,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, simply not ridable. Where are the senior
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Speaker 1: military people in UK to comment on what's happening? They
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Speaker 1: seem to be absent. But I'll just bring this gentleman
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Speaker 1: on screen. This is Pedro Israel Orta. He's a former
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Speaker 1: CIA agent who I interviewed yesterday. One of the points
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Speaker 1: that he's making, as our other retired CIA operatives is
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Speaker 1: that the expertise has gone out of the intelligence services
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Speaker 1: to the extent they can't function properly. If that's happening
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Speaker 1: with CIA. Our own Alex Thompson has said this about
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Speaker 1: security within GCHQ and also the security services in UK.
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Speaker 1: We do not have the people to comment coherently and
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Speaker 1: properly on overseas matters, particularly what's happening in Ukraine with
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Speaker 1: the Russians. So I leave people to reflect on that,
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Speaker 1: but clearly the Daily Mail at least cannot find the
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Speaker 1: suit expert to comment. Debby, let's bring you back in
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Speaker 1: and we'll get back onto the subject, the key subject
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Speaker 1: for today's news, which is the MHRA. What it's up to?
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Brian. Yes, well, of course the MHRA. This
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Speaker 3: they're celebrating the sixtieth anniversary of the Yellow Cards and
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Speaker 3: it was the board meeting, and you know how much
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Speaker 3: I do love an MHRA board meeting. So here we
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Speaker 3: are the MHRA board meeting held in public Tuesday, the
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Speaker 3: nineteenth of November twenty twenty four. However, when I logged
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Speaker 3: onto the zoom link for the meeting, I found myself
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Speaker 3: in the MHRA November Board meeting held in pubic. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I really did say that it was held in pubic.
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Speaker 3: And it's very sad, isn't it? And embarrassing when the
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Speaker 3: MHRA can't even spell. So how much trust do we
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Speaker 3: have in them in public safety? Well, I've taken the
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Speaker 3: unusual step actually of showing you what Dame June said
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Speaker 3: at the board meeting yesterday. We're going to split this
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Speaker 3: into two halves this video. The first half. I want
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Speaker 3: you to take note of what she says about antimicrobial resistance,
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Speaker 3: also the microbiome, which we've talked about, vaccines and well,
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Speaker 3: just have a listen Dame June rain MHRA board meeting.
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Speaker 5: Thank you Graham, and as colleagues will have seen, it's
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Speaker 5: quite a full report. Been a very busy time, and
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Speaker 5: I think it fully demonstrates the breadth of the agency's deliverables.
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Speaker 5: As we're here at the Science Campus today, I think
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Speaker 5: it's quite nice to focus, I think on the immense
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Speaker 5: effort for antimicrobial resistance. Antimicrobial Resistance Week is this week,
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Speaker 5: and globally forces are aligning, but here at the Science
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Speaker 5: Campus we have some real cutting edge work on bacteria,
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Speaker 5: phage and also on the microbiome, and none of that,
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Speaker 5: of course, detracts from the role on vaccines. So let's
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Speaker 5: I think, really pay a bit of tribute to the
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Speaker 5: huge efforts that Nicola is leading here in terms of
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Speaker 5: antimicrobial resistance. But that, as I say, is not to
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Speaker 5: neglect what is happening on vaccines as we prepare, ever
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Speaker 5: prepare for the coming flu in the coming year. In
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Speaker 5: terms of access to healthcare products, the earlier announcement of
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Speaker 5: a refreshed innovative licensing and access pathway has been very
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Speaker 5: much welcomed, particularly the fact that the NHS is fully
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Speaker 5: signed up to be on board with a narrower focus
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Speaker 5: on products that are truly transformative. And another important development
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Speaker 5: has been related to the work on mRNA platform technology
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Speaker 5: not just for cancer vaccines, but for personalized medicines and
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Speaker 5: guidance that will be out there for public consultation quite soon.
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Speaker 5: So the efforts to drive forward innovation really are moving
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Speaker 5: ahead quite quite strongly.
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Speaker 3: So there you have the warning that antimicrobial resistance is
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Speaker 3: going to be big on the agenda and mRNA is
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Speaker 3: going to figure in pretty much everything moving forward.
23:12
Speaker 1: Now.
23:12
Speaker 3: In the second part of her presentation her report, of course,
23:18
Speaker 3: the injections the COVID nineteen vaccine are safe and effective, right,
23:24
Speaker 3: but are all medicines safe? Dame June I don't think
23:27
Speaker 3: they are. And Dame June here is going to put
23:30
Speaker 3: out a very serious warning to members of the public
23:33
Speaker 3: with regards to a GOVI. She's also going to be
23:37
Speaker 3: talking about the very serious side effects and transformation and surveillance.
23:43
Speaker 3: But please note there's not one word about the vaccine
23:46
Speaker 3: injured or the bereaved. Have a listen to the second
23:49
Speaker 3: half of Dame june reign.
23:52
Speaker 5: Our return to Green program, on the other hand, to
23:55
Speaker 5: make sure that performance is optimized, has reached an important
23:59
Speaker 5: milestone with the elimination of the original backlog of established
24:03
Speaker 5: medicines applications, and that's something I think the staff have
24:07
Speaker 5: to be warmly commended for jobs not done though, and
24:12
Speaker 5: return to Green remains a top priority for this year's
24:15
Speaker 5: business plan. Perhaps I'll just then turned to our safety
24:19
Speaker 5: work and the immense interest, almost daily interest in.
24:22
Speaker 3: Weight loss jabs.
24:24
Speaker 5: We recently issued a communication that reminded the public that
24:28
Speaker 5: all medicines have risks and that there is rare ut
24:32
Speaker 5: serious side effects associated with we Govian a ZENPIC and
24:36
Speaker 5: to report these so important that we know about this
24:40
Speaker 5: and if anyone turns up off label use, we can
24:43
Speaker 5: also helpfully focus on that too. The new Medical Devices
24:48
Speaker 5: postmarket Surveillance legislation was laid in October and that will
24:52
Speaker 5: really help to strengthen our surveillance systems, particularly following the
24:56
Speaker 5: Cumberlange report. So those are just some highlights, but nish
25:00
Speaker 5: really by saying how much this all is testament to
25:03
Speaker 5: the enormous efforts of staff, not just to drive forward
25:06
Speaker 5: innovation and access, but to protect the public every day
25:11
Speaker 5: of every week.
25:15
Speaker 3: Do feel protected every day of every week by Dame
25:18
Speaker 3: jun Rain. I'm afraid I don't. But of course we
25:21
Speaker 3: know that the MHRA want to be top dog. They
25:23
Speaker 3: want to be the global regulator. They've been hinting about
25:27
Speaker 3: it for a long time, and we take ourselves to
25:29
Speaker 3: the mhra's new international recognition procedure, so they're very much
25:33
Speaker 3: there on the world stage looking at personalized medicine in particular.
25:38
Speaker 3: Now the MHRA have got this secret dream of being
25:43
Speaker 3: the global regulator. And during the board meeting, Raj Long,
25:47
Speaker 3: who we've spoken about many times before, who has no qualifications,
25:51
Speaker 3: who's of the stable of Bill and Melinda Gates. She's
25:55
Speaker 3: also written the Dementia Guidance for the Department of Health
25:58
Speaker 3: and she's also on the uk HSA board. Just please
26:02
Speaker 3: remember she has no qualifications anyway, just out of the blue.
26:06
Speaker 3: She dropped this in at the MHRA board meeting. June.
26:11
Speaker 3: You've been to KOI have.
26:12
Speaker 6: A look, Raj, did you want to say something? Thank you?
26:18
Speaker 6: Totally unrelated to any of the topics on the agenda.
26:22
Speaker 6: As Dune mentioned, she attended the IGMORRA meeting last week
26:26
Speaker 6: in Brazil. So for those of you who are not family,
26:29
Speaker 6: IGMORRA is like the world stage for global regulators. They
26:32
Speaker 6: all come together and they you know, they agree to
26:35
Speaker 6: Go's been very coy about this, but I think it's
26:39
Speaker 6: important to recognize that she got the igmor Award this
26:43
Speaker 6: year for outstanding contributions to IGMORA. This is a fantastic ecolade,
26:48
Speaker 6: not just to June, but to the whole team in
26:50
Speaker 6: terms of how we are seen globally. I know we
26:54
Speaker 6: very often at the board level look at the areas
26:56
Speaker 6: of challenges and figure out how we need to work,
26:59
Speaker 6: but I thought it was really appropriate to take a
27:00
Speaker 6: couple of minutes to recognize the international recognition that this
27:04
Speaker 6: agency's had through June and her team's leadership. So I
27:08
Speaker 6: would like to just say well done June, and congratulations
27:12
Speaker 6: to all of you, because this is not just you know,
27:14
Speaker 6: it's a whole agency, and congratulations and thank you ver
27:20
Speaker 6: so congratulations on behalf of the board.
27:22
Speaker 3: And characteristically hadn't told us, but.
27:26
Speaker 5: I would like to stress and in thanking Rash for
27:28
Speaker 5: your really kind words, that this reflects that the agency
27:31
Speaker 5: has an international role and it's something we should use
27:35
Speaker 5: so well, effectively and with pride that the excellence of
27:40
Speaker 5: the work that we do right across the basic science,
27:43
Speaker 5: regulatory innovation and real world evidence that is contextualizing all
27:48
Speaker 5: our decisions that we use that for the international best
27:53
Speaker 5: efforts for patients in the public. So I was very proud,
27:56
Speaker 5: but as I say, it reflects everyone and that's the
28:00
Speaker 5: absolute truth.
28:04
Speaker 3: So do we send well done and congratulations to June.
28:07
Speaker 3: I don't think so. However, thank you raj Long for
28:10
Speaker 3: highlighting IKMRA, because I hadn't actually heard of it. So
28:12
Speaker 3: who are IKMRA the International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities,
28:18
Speaker 3: But who are they actually? Well, who they say they
28:20
Speaker 3: are as an informal group of leaders of all the
28:23
Speaker 3: regulatory bodies who collaborate to provide strategic directions for enhanced
28:28
Speaker 3: common challenges like COVID, and their mission is to safeguard
28:32
Speaker 3: public health by facilitating strategic leadership. So let's look at
28:35
Speaker 3: the members, because it's an interesting mix of members we've
28:38
Speaker 3: got here. So the members are including China, We've got
28:43
Speaker 3: the European Union, India of course, who are one of
28:46
Speaker 3: the world's largest pharmaceutical manufacturers, and we've got the UK
28:51
Speaker 3: MHRA at the bottom. And if you look at the
28:53
Speaker 3: associate members, it gets even more interesting. You have Israel,
28:57
Speaker 3: who of course we all know we have a very
28:59
Speaker 3: strong tie in many areas, but particularly pharmaceutical Russia. Are there,
29:05
Speaker 3: Saudi Ukraine And of course we've got the who observing.
29:09
Speaker 3: So who are Ikumra led by Will? They're led by
29:13
Speaker 3: Irma Cook. Now she started in November twenty twenty, so
29:17
Speaker 3: if she was doing a four year term she would
29:19
Speaker 3: be ending that round about now, I wonder who might
29:22
Speaker 3: be taking over. Wonder if there's anybody qualified that could
29:25
Speaker 3: take over Ikma. I don't know, but she's also if
29:29
Speaker 3: we could just go back to that, Ikmacook slide for
29:32
Speaker 3: a second. Thank you. I just want to highlight that
29:35
Speaker 3: down at the bottom there the previous IKMA chairs. You'll
29:39
Speaker 3: see that Ian Hudson, who used to be prior to
29:42
Speaker 3: June Rain, the CEO of the MHRA, who then went
29:45
Speaker 3: to the Bill of me Linda Gates Foundation and who
29:47
Speaker 3: chaired DIKMA. So will Dame June Rain be making an
29:51
Speaker 3: appearance at IKMA. I don't know, but she's got a
29:53
Speaker 3: special award, so who knows. Now what are they What
29:56
Speaker 3: are they actually talking about? Most well, surprise, surprise or
30:00
Speaker 3: not antimicrobial resistance and they're recognizing the World AMUR Awareness Week,
30:06
Speaker 3: and if we go on, they say that eight point
30:09
Speaker 3: two million deaths could be associated with resistant bacteria by
30:14
Speaker 3: twenty fifty. They also go on to say that we
30:18
Speaker 3: mustn't misuse antibiotics, and they mention in particular you can
30:23
Speaker 3: see there one health which we've talked about so many times.
30:27
Speaker 3: And then in the next slide they also go on
30:29
Speaker 3: to say that global leaders can offer effective incentives new antibiotics.
30:35
Speaker 3: They're going to incentivize people to make new antibiotics and
30:39
Speaker 3: they're going to reward the developers. And their final message
30:43
Speaker 3: was Act now, But what act now against this silent pandemic?
30:49
Speaker 3: Our health depends on it. But just to finish this
30:52
Speaker 3: little segment, one thing in the MHRA board meeting that
30:55
Speaker 3: I did pick up and there was tons of it
30:56
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about much more of it coming up.
30:59
Speaker 3: But they talked about engineering biology and I didn't know
31:03
Speaker 3: that there was such a subject. However there is and
31:05
Speaker 3: the UK government are entrenched in it. So here you
31:08
Speaker 3: gov dot UK National Vision for Engineering Biology. This was
31:14
Speaker 3: Andrew Griffith, who was at the time the Minister of
31:16
Speaker 3: State for Science, Research and Innovation. And if we look
31:19
Speaker 3: one slide further, this is my final slide for this segment,
31:22
Speaker 3: you can see that engineering biology is basically artificial intelligence
31:27
Speaker 3: robotics DNA engineering mRNA where they create organisms to yield
31:34
Speaker 3: therapies through food, chemicals and fuel. So engineering biology a
31:40
Speaker 3: big agenda watched this space.
31:43
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31:46
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34:54
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35:02
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you very much. Now I've got quite a
35:04
Speaker 1: lot of information in this segment, but I'm going to
35:07
Speaker 1: go pretty quickly because we want to have time available
35:10
Speaker 1: in the news for the key thing, which is Cheryld
35:14
Speaker 1: Granger's report on the MHRA. But I have been taken
35:19
Speaker 1: over a couple of weeks now by the subject of
35:22
Speaker 1: child abuse. We've seen reports that the Archbishop of Canterbury
35:27
Speaker 1: standing down. But this report was sent to me by
35:30
Speaker 1: several people. Let's have a look at it. It's the
35:33
Speaker 1: BBC here reporting Children in Need chair resigns over grants
35:38
Speaker 1: to scandal hit LGBT charity and so in the article
35:43
Speaker 1: itself it talked about this Rosy Millard objected to a
35:48
Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty six thousand pound grant being given
35:51
Speaker 1: by BBC Children in Need to LGBTU Scotland, a charity
35:56
Speaker 1: which supposedly supports younger and transgender people. And the key
36:01
Speaker 1: point is a gentleman called James Rennie had been chief
36:05
Speaker 1: executive of the Scottish organization and he was also an
36:10
Speaker 1: SMP advisor. But he was jailed in two thousand and
36:13
Speaker 1: nine after being revealed as a member of a pedophile ring.
36:18
Speaker 1: And Rennie let's see the detail of this. Rennie was
36:22
Speaker 1: given a life sentence for sexually assaulting a three month
36:26
Speaker 1: old child and for conspiring to get access to children
36:31
Speaker 1: in order to abuse them. And he was a bigger partner.
36:34
Speaker 1: He was ordered to serve a sentence which was then
36:38
Speaker 1: subsequently reduced. If we go on here, it's been reported
36:44
Speaker 1: in this article that another man who contributed to school's
36:47
Speaker 1: guidance think about that put together by LGBTU Scotland, was
36:52
Speaker 1: convicted this year of sharing in decent images of children,
36:56
Speaker 1: including some newborn babies. And in twenty twenty two two
37:01
Speaker 1: men said they were groomed at the Scottish lgbt Organization
37:05
Speaker 1: at the time Rennie was chief executive. In response that
37:09
Speaker 1: the organization suspended a staff member and referred itself to
37:14
Speaker 1: the police. Now some of the comments by the who
37:17
Speaker 1: stood down as she criticized BBC Children in Need for
37:21
Speaker 1: what she said was a lack of due diligence. She
37:25
Speaker 1: accused the chief executive Simon and Trebus of failing to
37:28
Speaker 1: respond with the necessary level of seriousness and hesitating to
37:33
Speaker 1: take action. Remember this is in regard of child protection
37:38
Speaker 1: child safety issues, and she alleged that he Andrebus eventually
37:42
Speaker 1: cut funding to the charity, the Scottish charity only because
37:46
Speaker 1: fear of negative publicity. This is the gentleman in the
37:50
Speaker 1: limelight at the moment. But extraordinary comments here from the
37:55
Speaker 1: chief executive of the Scottish lgbt Youth charity. She said
38:00
Speaker 1: that Millard's resignation letter demonstrates the ideologically driven nature of
38:07
Speaker 1: her attacks on our organization, so little sympathy for children
38:11
Speaker 1: there or even babies. She went on to say that
38:15
Speaker 1: they're pleased to see confirmation that Children in Needs investigations
38:19
Speaker 1: into the work of LGBTU Scotland found nothing to report,
38:24
Speaker 1: and she went on time and time again, those with
38:26
Speaker 1: anti inclusivity motives point to historic allegations in attempts to
38:33
Speaker 1: destroy our reputation. Allegations have been investigated and cleared by
38:37
Speaker 1: Police Scotland and proven to have no link to our work.
38:41
Speaker 1: That'll be the same Scott Clee Scotland that have failed
38:45
Speaker 1: in so many other child abuse inquiries. Now we want
38:49
Speaker 1: to go back here to reports from UK column in
38:53
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, when we were certainly warning about James Rennie
38:57
Speaker 1: but also pointing out that he was in with the
39:00
Speaker 1: political charity Common Purpose. We also pointed out that another
39:05
Speaker 1: sadistic abuser was in This is Matthew Byrne. He was
39:10
Speaker 1: also involved with Common Purpose. I believe he had children's
39:15
Speaker 1: images as well as being responsible for vicious attacks on prostitutes.
39:22
Speaker 1: But what we were astonished was to see that this man,
39:26
Speaker 1: with his abuse background and his Common Purpose links, had
39:30
Speaker 1: at an earlier stage been in direct contact with the
39:34
Speaker 1: then Prime Minister Cameron, and as we can see in
39:38
Speaker 1: the photograph, mister Heseltine also present. Now I am sure
39:43
Speaker 1: at that time the photograph was taken they had no
39:46
Speaker 1: idea of Matthew Burns's real objectives in life. But what
39:52
Speaker 1: we did point out was that Common Purpose which was
39:56
Speaker 1: organizing these training courses including young teenagers, took no overt
40:02
Speaker 1: action to protect children by instigating some form of vetting
40:08
Speaker 1: process into the Common Purpose trainers. And at the time
40:12
Speaker 1: it was Sir David Bell who was the then Common
40:15
Speaker 1: Purpose Trustee. He of course was getting accolades at the
40:19
Speaker 1: time for his work with Koram Children's Charity, a lot
40:23
Speaker 1: of praise. They were honored and thrilled to have him
40:25
Speaker 1: on board, but he didn't appear to the UK column
40:29
Speaker 1: at least to be taking the necessary action to protect
40:33
Speaker 1: children from within the Common Purpose training system. This was
40:38
Speaker 1: an image we flagged up in twenty fifteen from Koram.
40:41
Speaker 1: We found this image deeply disturbing. It's the little girl
40:45
Speaker 1: and the expression on her face and the fact that,
40:48
Speaker 1: as with NHS video we've just seen, she's been using
40:52
Speaker 1: to advertise legal information. But we felt so uncomfortable about it.
40:58
Speaker 1: We asked our audience to respond as to whether they
41:01
Speaker 1: also thought this was an inappropriate image of a very
41:04
Speaker 1: young girl. Remember that at the time Common Purpose Charter
41:08
Speaker 1: was saying that in every society there's an invisible space
41:12
Speaker 1: between the individual and the state, and that Common Purposes
41:16
Speaker 1: aim is to fill this space with as many people
41:19
Speaker 1: as possible, I will say unvetted people, and their ethos
41:24
Speaker 1: was to create a common educational experience within and across
41:28
Speaker 1: many countries. And they then claimed, unbelievably that Common Purpose
41:33
Speaker 1: remained independent and non aligned. This was backed up the
41:38
Speaker 1: fact that Julia Middleton, the then chief executive, in her
41:41
Speaker 1: book said, I know that in Downing Street they're always
41:45
Speaker 1: wondering whether people have sufficient guile to be brought into
41:49
Speaker 1: a coalition the government is building. Well, that was Common Purpose,
41:54
Speaker 1: but of course they were also at work inside the BBC.
41:57
Speaker 1: Here's a UK column freedom of information request which the
42:02
Speaker 1: response to which produced statistics that the BBC had spent
42:06
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty eight thousand over seven years on
42:09
Speaker 1: Common Purpose training. And on top of that, the BBC
42:13
Speaker 1: ran a BBC Radio five Live program to defend Common
42:18
Speaker 1: Purpose against accusations of being a secret society or indeed
42:24
Speaker 1: involved in a political sense. Now this is the irony
42:28
Speaker 1: because during that period Chair of Trustees of Common Purpose
42:33
Speaker 1: was Bishop Tim Stevens. He got very hot under the
42:36
Speaker 1: collar because people had been criticizing Common Purpose, not least
42:41
Speaker 1: for their links into censorship of the press. And here
42:45
Speaker 1: he says British newspapers have in the past link Common
42:48
Speaker 1: Purpose in the UK to the issues surrounding press regulation.
42:53
Speaker 1: Says that high profile debate took place, but any link
42:58
Speaker 1: between Common Purpose and Lord Levison's inquiry was entirely misguided
43:03
Speaker 1: because Common Purpose has had no involvement whatsoever in the
43:07
Speaker 1: debate or any campaigns for great regulation of the press.
43:12
Speaker 1: But he went on to say it was just confusion
43:15
Speaker 1: because Sir David Bell, Common Purpose Chairman, and Julia Middleton,
43:20
Speaker 1: the CEO of Common Purpose Charitable Trust, just happened to
43:25
Speaker 1: both be part of setting up an independent charity called
43:28
Speaker 1: the Media Standards Trust in two thousand and six, and
43:32
Speaker 1: of course that rolled into the Levison inquiry and what
43:37
Speaker 1: we were seeing was blatant attempts to control the press.
43:42
Speaker 1: Let's remind ourselves that in the last few days the
43:45
Speaker 1: Archbishop of Canterbury himself has had to resign and the
43:50
Speaker 1: review found that Justin Wellbe could and should have reported
43:54
Speaker 1: the abuser John Smith's abuse of boys and young men
43:58
Speaker 1: to police in twenty thirteen. So a very fast walk
44:04
Speaker 1: through that particular subject. But my goodness, it's full of
44:09
Speaker 1: people failing in their duties, turning a blind eye, or
44:14
Speaker 1: possibly involved in covering deliberate covering up of the abuse
44:19
Speaker 1: of children. Debbie, let's bring you back on. I watching
44:23
Speaker 1: the clock because we should have Cheryl joining us any
44:28
Speaker 1: minute now, so over to you.
44:31
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian. Well, we certainly will have Cheryl
44:34
Speaker 3: joining us, and I know she's waiting in the wings ready.
44:38
Speaker 3: But before I throw across to Cheryl, we have got
44:43
Speaker 3: some videos that we will show in extra of some
44:46
Speaker 3: more of the MHRA board meetings. So please, if you're
44:50
Speaker 3: a member, please stay tuned for extra. It's going to
44:53
Speaker 3: be super interesting, I can promise you. But before I've
44:57
Speaker 3: introduced Cheryl, it's all changed at the MHR. We've been
45:01
Speaker 3: waiting for Graham Cook to step down as interim chair,
45:05
Speaker 3: and now he can because all of a sudden it's
45:08
Speaker 3: announced that we have a new chair of the MHRA
45:11
Speaker 3: board meeting and this is Anthony Hard Hard Hard, I'm sorry.
45:17
Speaker 3: He is a GP. He's also a professor Primary Care
45:21
Speaker 3: Oxford until until the end of December. If you go
45:25
Speaker 3: to the next slide you can see a little bit
45:27
Speaker 3: more about.
45:28
Speaker 1: Him and w.
45:31
Speaker 6: W.
45:31
Speaker 1: I'm just going to come in because we have got
45:33
Speaker 1: Cheryl with us now, so I think we'll welcome to
45:36
Speaker 1: the UK column. Welcome Cheryl. Thank you for giving up
45:42
Speaker 1: time to join us today and tell us what has
45:46
Speaker 1: been happening around the MHR. I know that in the
45:49
Speaker 1: background you've done a fantastic amount of work to tackle
45:53
Speaker 1: this audience, to tackle the MHRA and to bring to
45:59
Speaker 1: the audience the real facts about what they have and
46:03
Speaker 1: have not done. What have you got for us today?
46:08
Speaker 7: Hello everybody, Thanks for having me on.
46:11
Speaker 4: Brian.
46:13
Speaker 7: I can tell you about my first tier appeal that
46:18
Speaker 7: I've been doing first Tier Tribunal as a result of
46:23
Speaker 7: a freedom of information I sent off in April twenty three.
46:28
Speaker 7: I basically through Debbie. I'd heard don June Rain talk
46:32
Speaker 7: at the or Whales Therapeutics Toxicology Center, and she was
46:36
Speaker 7: talking about how they were measuring all the reactions to
46:40
Speaker 7: the vaccines, and she mentioned in particular the Yellow Card
46:44
Speaker 7: monitor and how this was active surveillance. How excited she
46:48
Speaker 7: was because within that they had two thousand pregnant women
46:51
Speaker 7: is what they stated at that time, and that they
46:55
Speaker 7: would be able to have a denominator for any figures
46:58
Speaker 7: that they worked out about any of the adverse drug reactions.
47:03
Speaker 7: So I took a whit of a time because it
47:06
Speaker 7: took me till Abel to have seen this and write
47:08
Speaker 7: off my freedom of information. And I basically wrote off
47:13
Speaker 7: explaining that I'd seen Dune Rain talk about this yellow
47:19
Speaker 7: card vaccine monitor, and I asked a lot of questions.
47:22
Speaker 7: There were nine questions I asked about the pregnant, things
47:27
Speaker 7: like how were the pregnant women monitored, how often did
47:31
Speaker 7: they import and how long were they being followed for,
47:34
Speaker 7: when were they vaccinated in which trimester? What was the
47:37
Speaker 7: percentage of the two thousand I kept referring to two
47:40
Speaker 7: thousand because that's what she'd said, and that's what I
47:42
Speaker 7: thought was in their two thousand pregnancies, experiencing things like miscarriages, still,
47:46
Speaker 7: the spontaneous abortions, et cetera. So I asked nine questions
47:50
Speaker 7: within my freedom of information, and then on the nineteenth
47:56
Speaker 7: of July twenty three, I got a reply and the
47:59
Speaker 7: MHOR refused. They cited Section twenty two, which is to
48:05
Speaker 7: withhold the information because they intended to have it peer
48:07
Speaker 7: reviewed and published. But in the meantime they actually sent
48:12
Speaker 7: me an interim report. So the interim report was in
48:17
Speaker 7: July twenty twenty one. It was a presentation that they'd
48:21
Speaker 7: done to the PEAG, which is the Pharmacavigilance Expert Advisory
48:27
Speaker 7: Group whose remit, by the way, is to assess any
48:31
Speaker 7: risks that are coming through and then make people aware
48:33
Speaker 7: of it. So they just sent the interim report. I
48:39
Speaker 7: asked Professor Fenton to actually analyze it for me, and
48:44
Speaker 7: he very kindly did, and he was horrified because the
48:48
Speaker 7: average percentage of adverse drug reactions was about forty one
48:53
Speaker 7: percent of pregnant women in the review who actually had
49:00
Speaker 7: at least one adverse drug reaction, and it varied obviously
49:04
Speaker 7: between the vaccines, with astrozenika be in about sixty percent.
49:09
Speaker 7: So it was quite telling that this information had not
49:14
Speaker 7: been released. This is what they were supposed to be
49:17
Speaker 7: surveying the reactions to the vaccines on and if you
49:22
Speaker 7: read things that have come forward since, they add the
49:25
Speaker 7: yellow card details to things that they've seen in the
49:29
Speaker 7: Yellow Card Vaccine Monitor to come up with the ever
49:33
Speaker 7: repeated phrase that these vaccines are still safe and effective.
49:38
Speaker 7: So the MHRA maintained its original position. When I then
49:43
Speaker 7: asked for an internal review, which is the process you
49:45
Speaker 7: have to go through and you keep having to wait
49:47
Speaker 7: twenty days for this to happen. And then in November
49:52
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, I complained to the Information Commissioner's Office
49:56
Speaker 7: because that's what you're supposed to do, and of course
49:58
Speaker 7: the ICO came back to me and upheld the decision.
50:02
Speaker 7: So then I actually think I said something on UK
50:05
Speaker 7: column and then I've got might to that because he
50:07
Speaker 7: said you've got to appeal. So that's what I did,
50:11
Speaker 7: and I didn't realize it was such a complex thing
50:17
Speaker 7: to do. I don't know whether I'll live to regret it,
50:19
Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, I was determined
50:22
Speaker 7: to find the information out about pregnancy because of course
50:28
Speaker 7: that's one of the mhra's major remits. So the MHRA
50:34
Speaker 7: has developed out of committees that have come along since
50:37
Speaker 7: the Medicine's at sixty eight, which came into being because
50:42
Speaker 7: of thelidamide, the thelidamide disaster, and therefore the MHRA, it says,
50:49
Speaker 7: and they state themselves, we keep watch over medicines and
50:52
Speaker 7: devices and take necessary action to protect the public promptly
50:56
Speaker 7: if there's a problem. So they are not supposed to
51:02
Speaker 7: allow anything to be used in pregnancy unless it is
51:05
Speaker 7: being proven by clinical trials to actually show that it
51:10
Speaker 7: is safe. So I then found out that the ICO
51:17
Speaker 7: we're going to a holder decision, and then I appealed,
51:21
Speaker 7: So that was the first tlear tribuneal. You have to
51:24
Speaker 7: fill in a load of forms, which I did, and
51:28
Speaker 7: it asked you at the bottom whether you want it
51:29
Speaker 7: to be just a written report that you get a
51:32
Speaker 7: written conclusion, or whether you wanted a video a tribunal.
51:40
Speaker 7: And I decided because of the advice I was being given,
51:43
Speaker 7: to go for it to be a video appearance, obviously
51:48
Speaker 7: on the internet. So I basically was the only one
51:54
Speaker 7: of the three of us, because by the twenty ninth
51:57
Speaker 7: of May, my appeal was just with the ICO. We
52:02
Speaker 7: then had the ICO asked the MHRA if they wanted
52:05
Speaker 7: to join in, and they did so in May twenty
52:09
Speaker 7: four the MHRA became the second respondent, so it's now
52:13
Speaker 7: me appealing against both of the parties and they decided
52:21
Speaker 7: that we were going to go to the tribunal on
52:26
Speaker 7: the nineteenth of September, but they didn't give us enough notice,
52:31
Speaker 7: which I didn't realize, but the MHRA objected and it
52:35
Speaker 7: all went through a whole load of emails and then
52:38
Speaker 7: the judge who I've now met, Judge Wilkins. She decided
52:42
Speaker 7: that that nineteenth of September could become a direction's hearing,
52:47
Speaker 7: which panicked me because I ain't got a clue what
52:48
Speaker 7: that was. But I went along on video and we
52:52
Speaker 7: talked to each other. There was the barrister, not the
52:56
Speaker 7: one that's going to be at the tribunal, but the
53:01
Speaker 7: stand in for the mhrra's barrister was there, the judge
53:05
Speaker 7: of myself, and it was to try and find a
53:07
Speaker 7: date when we could all get together and have this hearing.
53:13
Speaker 7: So it was decided that we'd suggest some dates, which
53:17
Speaker 7: we did it to gauges to get it confirmed because
53:20
Speaker 7: it's going to be the third of December, so that's
53:23
Speaker 7: when the final hearing is going to be. The barrister
53:27
Speaker 7: at that time told me that the witness that they
53:32
Speaker 7: wanted to call was Dame during rain, but it doesn't
53:36
Speaker 7: seem that that's going to happen now as I've got
53:39
Speaker 7: nearer to the time. So the whole thing was a
53:42
Speaker 7: bit of a mess because I was supposed to have
53:47
Speaker 7: everything in. There's been a few changes, but I was
53:50
Speaker 7: supposed to have everything in, all evidence, all witness statements
53:54
Speaker 7: by the eighth of November, which is what the other
53:57
Speaker 7: side had to do as well. Everybody had everything by
53:59
Speaker 7: the eighth of November. On the sixth of November, I
54:02
Speaker 7: got an email from the MHR to say we're going
54:05
Speaker 7: to publish. So on the sixth they actually warned us
54:11
Speaker 7: that they were going to go to a pre print
54:13
Speaker 7: server and that would take two to four days. Well
54:17
Speaker 7: it didn't. It took a week before they notified me
54:20
Speaker 7: that it was up online and that I could access it,
54:23
Speaker 7: So it took to the thirteenth of November. They'd wanted
54:26
Speaker 7: to postpone this presentation of witness statements and evidence until
54:32
Speaker 7: the fifteenth of November, but I'd actually pushed that out
54:34
Speaker 7: to the twenty first because I thought I'd need some
54:36
Speaker 7: time to actually analyze what they'd sent through. So that
54:41
Speaker 7: brought in a series of emails to keep asking me
54:45
Speaker 7: to withdraw. So I had four emails at different times
54:49
Speaker 7: over those few days to ask me to withdraw. First
54:52
Speaker 7: of all, we're now publishing, so will you withdraw. Then
54:56
Speaker 7: I obviously went back and said, well, I've got to
54:57
Speaker 7: see that it actually exists. And then when they told
55:01
Speaker 7: me that it was being published, or had been published.
55:06
Speaker 7: They again wanted me to withdraw, and then I said no,
55:12
Speaker 7: because obviously I wanted to look through it. They asked
55:15
Speaker 7: me in one email whether I wanted them to point
55:17
Speaker 7: out to me where the answers were to my questions,
55:21
Speaker 7: as if I wasn't capable of looking that up from
55:23
Speaker 7: the detail that they'd sent. And I didn't answer that
55:27
Speaker 7: because I was a bit offended by that, And they
55:30
Speaker 7: came back to me and said that eventually would I withdraw,
55:35
Speaker 7: and I said no. So they then sent me the
55:37
Speaker 7: list of answers to my questions reference to what they'd
55:41
Speaker 7: sent through, and they decided to do that without me
55:44
Speaker 7: saying I wanted it, And so it's been this back
55:48
Speaker 7: and forth, back and forth, but they constantly wanted me
55:51
Speaker 7: to withdraw because they thought they provided me with everything
55:55
Speaker 7: that I'd asked for. So when the information came through,
56:00
Speaker 7: I obviously needed some help on it. So I went
56:02
Speaker 7: back to Professor Fenton and he used his colleagues to
56:06
Speaker 7: very kindly have a look through the information. And so
56:09
Speaker 7: I've put together a review of that information and the
56:15
Speaker 7: overriding senses that it hasn't actually answered my question because
56:19
Speaker 7: of how they've analyzed the data, so we still want
56:22
Speaker 7: the raw data to be able to analyze it properly
56:26
Speaker 7: and give answers to the questions that I've asked. Having
56:30
Speaker 7: said that, they'd already said in a thing that was
56:35
Speaker 7: called gist of the withheld material is what this sent
56:40
Speaker 7: through to me at one point, and that came to
56:43
Speaker 7: the conclusion point forward. The second respondent takes the view
56:46
Speaker 7: the tribunal can make the decision without looking at the
56:48
Speaker 7: raw data, so they weren't providing the raw data, It
56:51
Speaker 7: says the MHRA have provided in its place the spreadsheet
56:55
Speaker 7: of Yellow Card Vaccine Monitor Data Specification. This is the
57:00
Speaker 7: sesification provided for the analysis which will inform the publication.
57:04
Speaker 7: It only contains the data variables which will be analyzed
57:07
Speaker 7: and does not reflect all the data variables captured within
57:10
Speaker 7: the YCBM. We didn't really know what that meant, but
57:15
Speaker 7: it didn't seem to be pro pride in us with
57:16
Speaker 7: what we wanted.
57:18
Speaker 1: Cheryl, thank you very much for that. That was your
57:22
Speaker 1: usual calm, meticulous report. But I want to say to
57:26
Speaker 1: the audience that although you're delivering this in such a calm,
57:30
Speaker 1: measured way, the amount of work that's gone into this
57:34
Speaker 1: is truly phenomenal. You have taken on the MHRA initially
57:38
Speaker 1: single handedly. You've had some expert help come in alongside you,
57:44
Speaker 1: which has been really excellent, But that the matter is
57:48
Speaker 1: that the agency responsible for pharmaceutical safety in UK was
57:53
Speaker 1: not providing data to the public showing the true risks
57:58
Speaker 1: as a result of the vaccine policy, particularly in relation
58:02
Speaker 1: to pregnant women. I'm stunned at that statistic which you've
58:06
Speaker 1: just released to us, which is problems between forty and
58:10
Speaker 1: sixty percent with pregnant women. That's truly incredible. But you've
58:17
Speaker 1: had to work to force this to a tribunal level
58:20
Speaker 1: in order to get the MHRRA to actually give the
58:23
Speaker 1: proper data as to what it was doing and what
58:26
Speaker 1: it's found out with respect to risks to the public tribunal.
58:33
Speaker 1: You've said on the third of December, this is absolutely
58:36
Speaker 1: astonishing that I'm going to say, one woman has been
58:40
Speaker 1: able to work and force this vast public body to
58:45
Speaker 1: come into a tribunal to explain what they've been doing.
58:49
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you'd like to respond to that,
58:52
Speaker 1: but I think your work is utterly incredible.
58:56
Speaker 7: Well, I suppose I didn't know I was going to
58:58
Speaker 7: end up here? Did that?
59:01
Speaker 3: You keep going forward. It's one level after another level
59:03
Speaker 3: after another level that.
59:04
Speaker 7: You go through a process. And I mean, I knew
59:09
Speaker 7: what you know was happening with pregnancy. I knew what
59:15
Speaker 7: was happening from the fires of adernal document analysis, which
59:19
Speaker 7: you know from situation room.
59:21
Speaker 3: I've been involved.
59:22
Speaker 7: We're trying to done down in a way and put
59:25
Speaker 7: into simple reports. But they had and I'll read this
59:30
Speaker 7: because I'll get it wrong, two hundred and seventy four
59:33
Speaker 7: cases who've become pregnant when they've been told not to.
59:36
Speaker 7: During the Fiser study, those two hundred and seventy four,
59:40
Speaker 7: well everybody was told. Every male was told to use
59:42
Speaker 7: two forms are contraceptive, and females were told not to
59:45
Speaker 7: get pregnant. But as these things go, two hundred and
59:47
Speaker 7: seventy four became pregnant. And the outcomes of two hundred
59:53
Speaker 7: and seventy pregnancies, they've only got thirty two that were followed.
59:58
Speaker 7: Others have just disappeared. They haven't followed those up. And
1:00:01
Speaker 7: in those thirty two, we had twenty three spontaneous abortions
1:00:06
Speaker 7: and five of them had outcome pending as a description
1:00:10
Speaker 7: and premature and premature birth of neonatal death and spontaneous
1:00:14
Speaker 7: abortion with interuterine death. There were two each of those,
1:00:17
Speaker 7: and spontaneous abortion with neonatal death and normal outcome it
1:00:21
Speaker 7: was one of those. So there were only data of
1:00:25
Speaker 7: those childred and seventy four cases for twenty nine births
1:00:29
Speaker 7: and twenty eight other twenty nine died, which might explain
1:00:34
Speaker 7: why they lost the rest. And obviously, you know, if
1:00:37
Speaker 7: you know things like that in the information that was
1:00:41
Speaker 7: given to the MHRA, if they'd read it thoroughly, they
1:00:44
Speaker 7: would have seen that, and that's a warning to actually
1:00:47
Speaker 7: not let this be used in pregnancy.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: Sure, thank you very much. You're joining us for extra
1:00:55
Speaker 1: in a few minutes and we're going to be discussing
1:00:57
Speaker 1: this a lot more. But we're going to say to
1:01:00
Speaker 1: the UK column news audience today, there you have it.
1:01:04
Speaker 1: Cheryl Granger, with assistance from Versa Fenton and others, has
1:01:10
Speaker 1: forced the MHRA into a tribunal over data on damage
1:01:15
Speaker 1: to pregnant women. At least that's just the tip of
1:01:18
Speaker 1: the iceberg. This is phenomenal work and it's so important
1:01:23
Speaker 1: that this now gets out to the wider public that
1:01:26
Speaker 1: this risk exists. And this audience, this authority has been
1:01:32
Speaker 1: failing in the way it has I think what we're
1:01:34
Speaker 1: looking at is malfeasance in public office. That's my personal opinion.
1:01:39
Speaker 1: I don't know whether I'm right, but that's what comes
1:01:42
Speaker 1: into my head. Debbie just very quickly ask you to comment.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: We're a little bit over for time on the news,
1:01:49
Speaker 1: but just to finish off some comment for our news audience, please.
1:01:55
Speaker 3: Well, I just have to say, you know, I have
1:01:59
Speaker 3: watched Cheryl for years now working so hard, and you're
1:02:05
Speaker 3: absolutely right, Brian, this is groundbreaking. And you know, the
1:02:09
Speaker 3: very fact that the MHRA are continually asking Cheryl to
1:02:15
Speaker 3: withdraw is testament to the work. And for so long
1:02:20
Speaker 3: she was completely unsupported and you were completely right when
1:02:23
Speaker 3: you said it, you know, singlehandedly, single handling. This is
1:02:27
Speaker 3: what I want to get over to our viewers in
1:02:29
Speaker 3: that there is so much going on behind the scenes.
1:02:32
Speaker 3: There are so many amazing people out there doing amazing work,
1:02:36
Speaker 3: none more so than our angel in human form, Cheryl Granger,
1:02:41
Speaker 3: because honestly, I have seen her loose sleep, I have
1:02:44
Speaker 3: seen the bundles of papers, I've seen what she's had
1:02:47
Speaker 3: to read and what the MHRA have never bothered to read. Seriously,
1:02:52
Speaker 3: it's completely outstanding and there will be much more about
1:02:55
Speaker 3: this in Extra and our grateful thanks from all of
1:02:59
Speaker 3: us from humanity, and for every single pregnant women or
1:03:02
Speaker 3: every woman who's thinking of becoming pregnant or new dads,
1:03:06
Speaker 3: please take notice. This is very very serious.
1:03:12
Speaker 1: Debbie, thank you very much, Cheryl, thank you very much.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: We must end. There so much to talk about in
1:03:19
Speaker 1: the news these days, it's very difficult to cover it all,
1:03:22
Speaker 1: but health issues have got to be absolutely top of
1:03:25
Speaker 1: the priority. If we're not healthy, we can't fight, we
1:03:29
Speaker 1: can't look after our families. So health is the key issue.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: And with pernicious organizations like the MHRA failing in their duty,
1:03:38
Speaker 1: it's beholden on all of us at the UK Column
1:03:42
Speaker 1: and our audience out there today to stand up to
1:03:45
Speaker 1: do something about this. Will end there. If you're a
1:03:49
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1:03:52
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1:03:58
Speaker 1: into the subject of the h L Ray and that tribunal.
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