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  Speaker 1: We're gonna start over.
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  Speaker 2: Though radical fundamental principles of freedom, rational self interest, and
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  Speaker 2: individual rights.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Uran Brook Show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh right, everybody welcome to Rue Brook Show on this Friday,
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  Speaker 2: February twenty seventh, Try number twenty three. We're trying to
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  Speaker 2: make this work. Not sure exactly what's going on. It
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  Speaker 2: might be that the Internet just drops once in a
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  Speaker 2: while here in the hotel, or well the speed gets
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  Speaker 2: really slow, or something is.
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  Speaker 1: Going on, but it is really weird, all right, miss Love?
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  Speaker 1: But where? Let me just check my settings um extream output.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah there it is twenty five hundred apply okay, um.
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  Speaker 2: Mist Love checked to see if the bit rate is fixed.
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  Speaker 2: I I changed the bitrate in obs to twenty five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why it was set of six thousand.
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't haven't touched that ever, So I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: It could all be a consequence of that. God, there's
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff here that who knows if if
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  Speaker 2: we're doing this right, all right, I'll have to investigate.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea whether Betrade was such. Okay, thank
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  Speaker 2: you guys for joining. I really really appreciate it. And
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  Speaker 2: I know this has been difficult. It's uh uh, I've
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying to do this now from yesterday and
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  Speaker 2: then again today. I I wonder if the kid that
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  Speaker 2: was on earlier from the school is still on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what was there?
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  Speaker 2: Handle Wildflower? WILDFLI are you still on or have you
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  Speaker 2: dropped us there? Wildfathers on?
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  Speaker 1: She says, well, he says, is that he or she?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Your talk was very engaging. Usually the
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  Speaker 1: lectures are less interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But I was interested in hearing an opposing view point
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  Speaker 2: of view to what I usually hear.
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  Speaker 1: That was great.
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  Speaker 2: So today I was at a grammar sch school. Grammar
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  Speaker 2: schools government schools. They're funded by the government, but they
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  Speaker 2: are selective schools, so you have to pass a test
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  Speaker 2: to get into a grammar school. There's a limited number
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  Speaker 2: of them in England and there's a political backlash against
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  Speaker 2: them right now. Labor doesn't like them obviously because they're selective,
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  Speaker 2: so they feel like they're discriminatory. But grammar schools, the
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  Speaker 2: kids are really really smart.
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  Speaker 1: And today.
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  Speaker 2: I gave a talk in front of all of the
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  Speaker 2: basically what they call twelfth year, so it's the year
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  Speaker 2: before last at high school. So these are sixteen or
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  Speaker 2: seventeen year old, So Wildflower is sixteen or seventeen. I'm
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  Speaker 2: guessing Wildflower is a girl. The school itself is girls
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  Speaker 2: only through eighth year, I think, and then nineten eleven
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  Speaker 2: and then onwards, like high school is mixed. So there
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  Speaker 2: probably I don't know, three hundred kids at my talk,
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  Speaker 2: the entire twelfth year was there. I gave a talk
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  Speaker 2: of the morality of free markets, on why free markets
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  Speaker 2: are good.
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  Speaker 1: As will Flower points.
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  Speaker 2: Out, it was an opposite view of what most of
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  Speaker 2: the kids believed, which is not surprising. That's true everywhere
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  Speaker 2: all over the world. Bet it was terrific fun. The
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  Speaker 2: kids were super engaged. I don't think they were bored,
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  Speaker 2: and asked a lot of questions, a lot of back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. There was a real I think there was
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  Speaker 2: a real energy in the room, which was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun. Then after that, after the talk, I went
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  Speaker 2: to a classroom with about thirty five students. These are
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  Speaker 2: politics students, students who are studying what they're called A one.
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  Speaker 2: This is like in the US, would be like AP
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  Speaker 2: AP politics, and in AP politics in the UK, they
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  Speaker 2: they read Ivan. So in AP politics, iron Rand is
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  Speaker 2: in the curriculum, she's considered a conservative, a conservative thinker,
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  Speaker 2: and she would be rolling in her grave being labeled
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  Speaker 2: a conservative thinker. But I actually read sections out of
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  Speaker 2: Ironrand in the politics class, which is great, even if
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  Speaker 2: they do miss characterizer as a conservative. So I got
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  Speaker 2: to spend another hour. My talk was about forty minutes
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  Speaker 2: and then a Q and A with a big group,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got to spend another hour with the
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  Speaker 2: smaller group, which was basically mostly Q and A I think,
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  Speaker 2: while Flower was in the second group as well, and
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  Speaker 2: it was really interesting and again a lot of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: The kids are smart.
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  Speaker 2: They are mostly left wing, which is typical of sixteen
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  Speaker 2: seventeen year olds I think all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: Everywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 2: They are so they haven't really engaged with ideas around
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  Speaker 2: free markets, ideas around capitalism, what it is and how
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  Speaker 2: it functions, and the principles behind it. They have all
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  Speaker 2: the I think typical regular what I think misconceptions about
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  Speaker 2: markets how they work, would cause the Great Depression, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the necessity of regulations and controls.
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  Speaker 1: Because otherwise, otherwise, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, businessmen would poison their clientele and everything would fall
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  Speaker 2: apart and they'd be no discipline. So it was, it was,
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  Speaker 2: It was really yeah, it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: I pitched them on reading the fountain Head at the Shrugg.
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  Speaker 2: I hope some of the kids pick up the found
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  Speaker 2: and Head and actually, actually, you know, read it. If
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  Speaker 2: I just get one or two of them reading at
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  Speaker 2: the shrug or the fountain had, I'd consider it's a
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  Speaker 2: huge success. So that's what I spent this morning. Eight
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  Speaker 2: forty five was the beginning of the talks. It's in
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  Speaker 2: South London way Way Way Assignment, central London. It took
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  Speaker 2: about an hour twenty minutes by Uber to get there,
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  Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have been faster by the tube because
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  Speaker 2: there's no direct train that goes there, so it's far.
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  Speaker 2: And some of these kids commute to the school because
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  Speaker 2: again the school is special because it is a grammar school.
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  Speaker 2: It is a school that you have to test into,
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  Speaker 2: so the kids make a real effort to come there,
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  Speaker 2: and some of them travel long distances in order to
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  Speaker 2: get there. So yeah, I enjoyed it. I think the
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  Speaker 2: kids enjoyed it. They I don't think they agreed. Most
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  Speaker 2: of them didn't agree. Wildflowers suddenly didn't. But as she says,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was interested in hearing an opposite point
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  Speaker 2: of view to what I usually hear, which is great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly what you want. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: education should be about, challenging you and introducing you to
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  Speaker 2: points of view and ideas that you wouldn't normally be
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  Speaker 2: exposed to. So, you know, happy, happy to have gone
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  Speaker 2: to the school and be part of it and participated,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad the kids enjoyed.
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  Speaker 2: It all Right, Tomorrow I am doing a seminar here
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  Speaker 2: in central London.
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  Speaker 1: You can still sign.
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  Speaker 2: Up if you're in London and you'd like to come,
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  Speaker 2: you know, check out check out yourn bookshow dot com,
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  Speaker 2: your run Bookshow dot com, my website, scroll down to
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  Speaker 2: February twenty eighth events and and uh press on the
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  Speaker 2: button for tickets and you'll get all the information about
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  Speaker 2: the event. It's going to be on capitalism. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be four hours. It's going to be a small group.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are seven. Now if you still want
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  Speaker 2: to join, you can. You can even show up and
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  Speaker 2: just being cash uh and uh and pay me this,
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  Speaker 2: so feel free to come.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be fun. Uh and uh. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Sebastian asked costs for a book review. Do I have
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  Speaker 2: to pay for book? No, you don't have to pay
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  Speaker 2: for the book unless I can't find it. It's impossible
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  Speaker 2: to find.
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  Speaker 1: But it depends on the length of the book.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me which book you want and I will
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  Speaker 2: tell you what it's gonna cost. But it's not gonna
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  Speaker 2: be cheap books. I think they take a long time
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  Speaker 2: to read. It's not like watching a movie. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the last book I did was five hundred bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Uh uh, The The Right to Tiger Bavola.
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  Speaker 2: So that'll give you some sense of what's involved. And
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  Speaker 2: that was not a very thick book.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into some news.
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  Speaker 2: There's not gonna be I'm not gonna talk a lot
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  Speaker 2: about the news today because with all the hassle of
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  Speaker 2: setting this up and and figuring it out. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do a long show today.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's already late over here, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's I think the main piece of news right now,
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  Speaker 2: I think the most important piece of news right now
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  Speaker 2: is just scanning the news. God, we'll get to that
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  Speaker 2: story in a minute. Here's the breaking story, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to anthropic in a minute. Thatantropic is a big
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  Speaker 2: news I think of the day. But let me get
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  Speaker 2: let me, let me, let me do this. I mean again,
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  Speaker 2: this is breaking news. You know who knows for a fight.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to Oman's foreign Minister Badi l Busaidi,
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  Speaker 2: who supposedly told CBS today that an agreement between Iran
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  Speaker 2: and the United States is actually within reach, that Iran
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  Speaker 2: has agreed to give up its stockpile of enriched material,
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  Speaker 2: the one that supposedly was detroyed in June. It turns
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  Speaker 2: out it wasn't into a life full verification of its
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  Speaker 2: nuclear program by the International Atomic Energy Agency. In addition,
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  Speaker 2: it says they're willing to stop enrichment. That is, zero
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  Speaker 2: accumulation of new uranium, no more enrichment. That is, again
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  Speaker 2: according to to Oman, So if that is the case,
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  Speaker 2: and that's basically what Trump's been asking for, Israel would
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  Speaker 2: like the ballistic missile's gone. Israel would like their support
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  Speaker 2: for Chris Bolla and for the who's He's gone.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: We will now, we'll see if Trump decides to got
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  Speaker 2: a deal Iwan is giving him. If this is true,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not sure it is true, then Iwan is
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  Speaker 2: playing Trump again. If he believes this, he'll try to
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  Speaker 2: make a deal. He'll claim this is a better deal
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  Speaker 2: than Obama's. But you know, who knows, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: reason and of course much of what was demanded is
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  Speaker 2: not going to be supplied. So let's wait and see
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  Speaker 2: if this, if this actually happens.
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  Speaker 1: But that is.
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  Speaker 2: That is the latest and greatest in terms of news
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  Speaker 2: about Iran. The the Anthropic news is interesting. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about this. We talked about this the other day.
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  Speaker 1: In the in This and UH we.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about the fact the Anthropic is basically told the
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  Speaker 2: Defense Department and is the Anthropic right now is the
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  Speaker 2: only AI program integrated into the Defense Department, and it's
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  Speaker 2: integrated primarily through Pallantia. But it's being used by the
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  Speaker 2: Defense Department actively in.
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  Speaker 1: It's used actively.
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  Speaker 2: In in in the Pentagon.
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  Speaker 1: It was used in the raid on Madua.
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  Speaker 2: Wildflower has a question, Wildflower, I will I will get
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  Speaker 2: your question in a bit. Let me talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Anthropic point and then I'll get you a question.
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  Speaker 1: I see it.
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  Speaker 2: Usually I ask people to do a super chat, which
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  Speaker 2: is to pay me for the questions. But given you
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  Speaker 2: giving you a high school student and giving you just
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  Speaker 2: talk heard me today and you weren't.
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  Speaker 1: In the politics class.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, and you're following me here, that's great, or you're
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  Speaker 2: at least listening here, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: I will answer your question in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So if you remember, uh, Anthropic is well integrate into
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  Speaker 2: the Defense Department and uh, but it has The Defense
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  Speaker 2: Department has demanded from Anthropic that it allow its AI
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  Speaker 2: to be used for all activities the Defense Department deem
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  Speaker 2: deem appropriate. That is, Anthropic is asked to give total
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  Speaker 2: control over the AI to the Defense Department.
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  Speaker 1: The Defense Anthropic is.
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  Speaker 2: Saying no, there are two things we do not want
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  Speaker 2: our software to be used for.
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  Speaker 1: One is domestic surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: And two is in weapons that are autonomous, that is,
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  Speaker 2: weapons that make decisions to fire independent of.
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  Speaker 1: A human being.
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  Speaker 2: We do not want our AI in that kind of weapon.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want our AI to make those kind of decisions,
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  Speaker 2: decisions to pull the trigger. I think these are incredibly
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  Speaker 2: reasonable decisions that basically saying we completely support the Defense Department,
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  Speaker 2: we can I mean, let me read you from the statement,
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  Speaker 2: I'll we do in the statement in a man anyway,
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  Speaker 2: heg SAT has basically told them, if you do not
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  Speaker 2: agree to all of our terms, if you do not
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  Speaker 2: agree to let Anthropic be be used by the Defense
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  Speaker 2: Department its own discretion for whatever we deem right, then
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  Speaker 2: not only we will not use Anthropic anymore, but we
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  Speaker 2: will deem you a risk to the supply chain and
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  Speaker 2: make you persona on Grada for anything related to defense,
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  Speaker 2: which will make it even make many other country companies
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  Speaker 2: not be able to use Nthropics. So this is a
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  Speaker 2: huge potential blow to Anthropic, which is the kind of
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  Speaker 2: the leading AI program. This is kind of unprecedented for
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  Speaker 2: the Pentagon to basically try to blackmail a company into.
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  Speaker 1: Doing what it wants.
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  Speaker 2: It's one thing to say we're not going to use you,
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  Speaker 2: it's another thing to say, we're going to put you
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  Speaker 2: on the list that we only usually include Chinese companies
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  Speaker 2: and Iranian companies on that list. Anyway, Hickseth gave them
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  Speaker 2: a deadline until today earlier today to make a decision.
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  Speaker 2: This is the statement from Anthropics CEO. I believe deeply
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  Speaker 2: in the existential importance of using AI to defend the
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  Speaker 2: United States and other democracies and to defeat autocratic adversaries
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  Speaker 2: and tropicas. Therefore worked proactively to deploy our models to
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  Speaker 2: the Department of War and the intelligence community.
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  Speaker 1: We were the first.
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  Speaker 2: Frontier AI company to deploy our models in the US
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  Speaker 2: government's classified networks, the first to deploy them at the
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  Speaker 2: national laboratories, and the first to provide custom models for
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  Speaker 2: national security customers. Claude is exclusively deployed across the Department
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  Speaker 2: of War and other national security agencies for mission critical
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  Speaker 2: applications such as intelligence analysis, modeling and simulation, operational planning,
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  Speaker 2: cyber operations, and more.
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  Speaker 1: And Toropic is also.
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  Speaker 2: Acted to defend America's lead in AI, even when it
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  Speaker 2: is against the company's shew term interest. We chose to
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  Speaker 2: forego several hundred million dollars in revenue to cut off
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  Speaker 2: the use of Claude by firms linked to the Chinese
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  Speaker 2: Communist Party, some of whom have been designated by the
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  Speaker 2: Department of War as Chinese military companies. We've shut down
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  Speaker 2: CCP sponsored cyber attacks that attempt at to abuse CLAUDE,
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  Speaker 2: and have advocated for strong export controls on chips to
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  Speaker 2: ensure democratic advantage. Anthropic understands the Department of War, not
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  Speaker 2: private companies, make military decisions. We have never raised objections
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  Speaker 2: to particular military operations and not attempted to nor attempted
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  Speaker 2: to limit use of our technology in an ad hoc manner. However,
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  Speaker 2: in a narrow set of cases, we believe AI can undermine,
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  Speaker 2: rather than defend, democratic values. Some uses are also simply
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  Speaker 2: outside the bounds of what today's technology can safely and
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  Speaker 2: reliably do. Two such use cases have never been included
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  Speaker 2: in our contracts with the Department of War, and we
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  Speaker 2: believe they should not be included now. First, mas domestic surveillance.
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  Speaker 2: We support the use of AI for lawful foreign intelligence
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  Speaker 2: and county intelligence missions, but using these systems for mass
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  Speaker 2: emphasis on mass domestic surveillance is incompatible with democratic values.
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  Speaker 2: AI driven mass surveillance presents serious novel risks to our
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  Speaker 2: fundational liberties. To the extent that such surveillance is currently legal,
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  Speaker 2: this is only because the law has not yet caught
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  Speaker 2: up with the rapidly growing capabilities of AI. For example,
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  Speaker 2: under current law, the government can purchase detailed records of
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  Speaker 2: Americans movement, web browsing, and associations from public sources without
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  Speaker 2: obtaining a warrant, a practice the intelligence community has acknowledged
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  Speaker 2: raises privacy concerns and that has generated by partisan opposition
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  Speaker 2: in Congress. Powerful AI makes it impossible to assemble this scattered,
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  Speaker 2: individual innocious data into a comprehensive picture of any person's
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  Speaker 2: life automatically at a massive scale. The second thing the
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  Speaker 2: objective is fully autonomous weapons. Partially autonomous weapon like those
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  Speaker 2: used today in Ukraine a vital to the defense of democracy.
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  Speaker 2: Even fully autonomous weapons, those that take humans out of
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  Speaker 2: the loop entirely and automate selecting and engaging targets, may
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  Speaker 2: prove critical for our national defense. But today FRONTIERAI systems
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  Speaker 2: are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons.
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  Speaker 2: We will not knowingly provide a product that puts America's
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  Speaker 2: war fighters and civilians at risk. We have offered to
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  Speaker 2: work directly with the Department of War on R and
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  Speaker 2: D to improve the reliability of these systems, but they
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  Speaker 2: have not accepted this offer.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, without proper.
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  Speaker 2: Oversight, fully autonomous weapons cannot be relied upon to exercise
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  Speaker 2: the critical judgment that our highly trained professional troops exhibit
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  Speaker 2: every day.
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  Speaker 1: They need to.
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  Speaker 2: Be deployed with proper guardrails, which don't exist today. To
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  Speaker 2: our knowledge, these two exceptions have not been a barrier
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  Speaker 2: to accelerating the adoption and use of our models within
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  Speaker 2: our armed forces. To date, of Wars stated that they
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  Speaker 2: will only contract with AI companies who accede to any
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  Speaker 2: lawful use and remove safeguards.
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  Speaker 1: In these cases.
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  Speaker 2: Mentioned above, they have threatened to remove US from their
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  Speaker 2: systems if we maintain these safeguards. They have also threatened
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  Speaker 2: to designate US a supply chain risk, a label reserve
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  Speaker 2: for US adversaries never before applied to an American company,
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  Speaker 2: and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the
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  Speaker 2: safeguard's removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory. One
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  Speaker 2: labels a security risk, the other labels claud An as
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  Speaker 2: essential to national security. Regardless, these threats do not change opposition.
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  Speaker 2: We cannot in good conscious accede to their request. It
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  Speaker 2: is the departments prerogative to select contractors most aligned with
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  Speaker 2: their vision, but given the substantial value that Anthropics technology
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  Speaker 2: provides to owned forces, we hope they consider our strong
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  Speaker 2: preference is to continue to serve the Department of and
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  Speaker 2: our war fighters without two requested safeguards in place. Should
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the Department choose to off board Anthropic, we will work
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: to enable a smooth transition to another provider, avoiding any
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: disruptions to ongoing military.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Planning operations and other critical missions.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Our models will be available on the expense expansive terms
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we have proposed for as long as required. We remain
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: ready to continue our work to support the nation's security,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the national security of the United States.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: That's a statement.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's an excellent statement by Anthropic.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I think they're absolutely right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous that the government is going to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: try to force them and to penalize them.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: In this context.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Right, I will know that Iran published, Yeah, I'm going
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to read this to you.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Iran published a short piece.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Actually, these remarks are delivered at the at MIT in
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: March nineteen sixty two, this is iron Ran. They were
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: addressed to the students who to be America's future scientists.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Here's what you wrote.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: We're living in an age when every social group is
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: struggling frantically to destroy itself and doing it faster than
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: any of its rivals or enemies could hopeful. When every
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: man in his own is his own most dangerous enemy,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and the whole of mankind is rolling at supersonic speed.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Back to the dark ages, with a nuclear bomb in
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: one hand and a rabbit's foot in the other.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: The most terrible paradox of our age is the fact
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that the destruction of man's mind, of reason, of logic,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: of knowledge, of civilization is being accomplished in a name
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and with the sanction of science. It took centuries and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: volumes of writing to bring our culture to its present
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: state of bankruptcy, and volumes would have to be written
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to expose, counteract, and avert the disaster of a total
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: intellectual collapse. But of all the deadly theories by means
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of which you are now being destroyed, I would like
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to warn you about one of the deadliest and most crucial,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the alleged dichotomy of science and ethics.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: You've heard the theory so often and.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: From so many authorities, that most of you not take
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it for granted as an accent, as the one absolute
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: taught to you by those who proclaim that there are
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: no absolutes. It is the doctrine that man's science and ethics,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: or his knowledge and values, or his body and soul,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: are two separate, antagonistic aspects of his existence, and then
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: man is caught between them as a precarious, permanent traitor
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to the their conflicting demands. Science, they tell you, is
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the province of reason. But ethics, they say, is the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: province of a higher power, which man's impotent, fallible intellectual
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: intellect must must not be so presumptuous, presumptuous as the.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Challenge what power why? Feelings.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Before you accept that doctrine, identify concretely and specifically what
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: it means. Remember that ethics is a code of values
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to guide man's choices and actions. The choices and actions
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: are determined the purpose and course of his life. It
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: means that you, as scientists, are competent to discover new knowledge,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: but not competent to judge for what purpose that knowledge.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Is to be used.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Your judgment is to be disqualified if when you become
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: if when and because it is rational, while human purposes
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: are to be determined by representatives of non reason. Hegseeth
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: create the means, but they are to choose the ends.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You are to work and think and strain all the power, energy,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and ingenuity of your mind to its utmost logical best,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and produce great achievements. But those superior others will dispose
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of your achievements by the grace and guidance of their feelings.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Your mind is to be the tool and servant of
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: their whims. You are to create the h bomb, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a blustering Russian anthropoid will decide when he feels like
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: dropping it, and on whom yours is not the reason why?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yours is just to do and provide their ammunition for
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: others to die. This is longer than I thought it was.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: That is pretty That is that's pretty good. From Plato's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Republic onward, all status collectivists have looked longingly at the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: ant hill.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: As at a social ideal to be reached.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And anhill is a society of interdependent insects, with each
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: particular kind or class is physiologically able to perform only
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: one specific function.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Some are milch cows summer toilers.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: If you are rulers, collectivist planners have dreamed of for
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a long time of creating an ideal society by means
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: of eugenics, by bringing men into various casts physiologically able
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to perform only.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: One specific function.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Your place in such a society would be that of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: toiling milch brains of human computers, who would produce anything
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: on demand, and would be biological and capable of questioning
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the orders of the anthropoid throw who'd throw them their
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: food rations.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Does just self esteem accept such a prospect? All right?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I mean you get the point right, Just see. The
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: point is that you are scientists. Let me just see.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: If you are now starting in a Korean science, you
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: do not have to share the guilt of those men,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: but you do have to reclaim the field in honor
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: of science. There's only one way to do it by
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: accepting them all. Principle that does not surrender one's mind
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: into blind blind servitude to thugs, and one does not
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: accept the job of munitions maker for Attila's conquest of
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the world, not for any Attilla actual or potential foreign
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: or domestic. There's only one way to implement that principle.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Throughout history, with only a few exceptions, government have claimed
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the right to rule men by means of physical force,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that is, by terror and destruction. When the potential of
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: terror and destruction reaches today's scale, it should convince every
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: human being that if mankind.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Is to survive Attila's Concert.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: That government must be discarded, along with the alleged right
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of any man to impose their ideas of wishes on
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: others by initiating the use of physical force. This means
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that men must establish a free, noncursive society where the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: government is only a policeman protecting individual rights, where force
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: is used only in retaliation of self defense, where no
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: gang can seize the legalized power to unleash the reign
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of terror. Such a society does not have to be invented.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It had existed, though not fully. Its name is capitalism.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: This connects to the talk I gave this money. Needless
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to say, capitalism does not force individuals or nations into
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the collectivistic slave pen of a world government. The so
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: called one world is merely one neck ready for one leash.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Capitalism leaves men free for self defense, but gives no
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: one the political means to initiate force or war. This
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: not physical but political disarma. The renunciation of legalized booth
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: force as a way of life is the only means
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of saving the world from nuclear destruction. I say, Anthropic
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: is just taking them all stand, taking them all stand
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and said, you're not going to use the product of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: our mind. You're not going to use the product of.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Our mind.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: In ways that we do not approve of. And you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: it's fine if you don't want to hire us. But
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you see, the defensive wants to force them. It wants
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: to use the Defense Production Act in order to force
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: them to supply the product.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So good fundthropic and Thropic is doing the right thing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: There was a just to see if I can find this.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I thought there was some statement by Trump about this,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to give you a sense of what Attila looks like.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here it is.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, not the statement Anthropic CEO and the quality
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of what he said.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Now this is Donald Trump.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: The United States of America will never allow a radical
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: left woke company to dictate how our great military fights
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and wins wars. That decision belongs to your commander in chief.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And the tremendous leaders I appoint to run our military.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: The left wing nut.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Jobs at Anthropic have made a disastrous mistake trying to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: strong arm the Department of War and force them to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: obey their terms of service instead of our constitution, as
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: if he knows what the Constitution says. Their selfishness is
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: putting American lives at risks, our troops in danger, on
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: our national security and jeopardy. Therefore, I am directing every
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: federal agency in the United States Government to immediately cease
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: all use of Anthropics technology. We don't need it, we
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: don't want it, and will now do business with them again.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: There will be a six month phase out period for
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: agencies like the Department of War who are using Anthropics
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: products at various levels. Anthropic better get their act together
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and be helpful during this phase out period, or I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: will use the full power of the Presidency to make
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: them comply with major civil and criminal consequences to follow. God,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: we will decide the fate of the country, not some
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: out of control radical left AI company run by people
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: who have no idea what the real world is all about.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yet somehow they designed and the most sophisticated AI product
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: in the marketplace.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guys are more on and and an
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: evil bastard on top of that. It's I mean, fine,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they can cancel the contract, so be it. But the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: vitrio and the whole government is going to drop in
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: topic and the penalizing and the aggressiveness of this, it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: just terrific.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's truly horrific.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, of course, Ellen Musk's x Ai has
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: already jumped in and said, oh, we'll provide you with
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: AI and you can use it for whatever you want.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of people in the Defense Department are like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think Xai is good enough for what we
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: needed to do.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: What are we doing here? This is politically motivated.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: This is not the bit product open Ai might jump
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: in to take on topics place other a companies might
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: agree to the Defense Department demands.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: But let me just use this opportunity.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: To congratulate Anthropic and to say good for them. They're
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: taken them all stand. You might agree with the details
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: or disagree with the details, but it's a private company.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: They get to decide how their product is used. They've
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: taken a stand with this regard and good for them,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and shame shame on Donald Trump, shame on this administration
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: for treating them as an enemy of the United States
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: because they're exercising they write as an American company. We
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: don't live in an authoritarian place where you have to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: do what the government tells you to do. All right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: That I think was their main story. I do recommend
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you read this essay fully, two young scientists. It is
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: just being posted on It's in the Voice of Reason,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: but it's just being posted for free on the on
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Iron Rand dot OAG, so you can find it on
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: campus dot I Rand, dot Oak. Just search two young Scientists,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Iron Rand and you'll find it. Highly recommend you read
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the whole thing, and you read it slowly, not fast
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: like I did. So go for it and enjoy. All right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Let me quickly look at wildflowers question and see it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I know some of you might have been trying to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: answer that question already.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: If you have, I hope you've been polite and nice.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Remember this is a high school student that is not
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: familiar with Iinrand's ideas.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Is just being introduced to them.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, weil fellow says, I didn't get a chance to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: ask you a question, actually, as I don't take politics.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I do have a question though, when you talk about
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: something having value, okay, such as a product, do you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: think we should primarily focus on monetary value or is
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: nonprice oop non price competitiveness also a large factor. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: noticed when you were talking about capitalism and its benefits,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you're primarily focused on the pricing aspects. So look, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: thing about value, let's take the pricing first, is different
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: things have different values to different people. I might value
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: an iPhone at well over one thousand dollars. Other people
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: might say no, I mean, my thousand dollars is more
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: valuable in my pocket than an iPhone. The beauty of
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: capitalism is that we don't force our values in others.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: If people don't want to buy an iPhone, they don't
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: have to.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: If people don't like that particular shirt, if people don't
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: like those particular shoes, they don't have to buy them.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: They get to buy what they believe makes their life better.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: They get to buy what you know, they think will
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: be a worthwhile trade, that is, a trade that benefits them,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: where what they're giving up is less than what they're
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: getting now. It is absolutely true that many trades in life,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: many values in life, are not monetary values. And you
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: can think of for example, moral values, moral values, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: value of being a good person, the value of pursuing
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the good that can be measured in money. That is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: a value. A value is that which one acts to
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: gain or keep. Values the things that we in a
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: sense want and are willing to do stuff to get.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And for example, trying to become a good person. Doing
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the work to become a good person is not something
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you put a monetary value on. It's in a sense
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: proceeds any monetary value. But even there are other things
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: that exists out there in the marketplace.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: That you know, might not have a you know, a
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: monetary value.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: You guys didn't pay for my lecture today, So I
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: gave a talk and you know, you see to found
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: it interesting and you the students, didn't pay. You got
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: something for free. Now if you enjoyed it, then.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It's a value to you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: If you're watching the show right now, hopefully you're getting
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: some value out of it. That's a non monetary value
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: because you're not paying me and I'm delivering it to you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Even though you haven't paid for it. So there are
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: lots of transactions, lots of relationships, lots of things that
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: we do in life that are not monetary.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: So some aspects of our.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Life, like when we go to grocery store and buy
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the stuff that we need to eat, that's a monetary transaction,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: and again a monetary's exaction. We all do differently because
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: we all have different values. We all like different types
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of food, so the transaction is going to be we're
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: all going to interact with the Vosity Show in a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: different way. But there are plenty of There are plenty
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: of non monetary values out there.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: You know. One of the uses I use for my
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: phone is to listen to music.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: The value I get from listening to music is a
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: spiritual value.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's not a monetary value.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: It's not something I put dollars to so, but to
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: create that music, somebody had to invest money. To provide
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: that music to me, somebody had to create somebody had
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to put money. So money is not incidental to values.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Money is necessary for the creation values. They're very few
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: values that are not that. They don't require, you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: any kind of financing, any kind of money. I don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: know I'm not sure if I answered your question. I'm
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: happy to take a follow up. A Wildfire says, take Dua.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: People will buy a bag from Dua for a hundred
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: for hundreds of pounds, but it's not necessarily better quality.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: They just prefer it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: They just prefer it as it has the name yes,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and they get to buy what they wanted they. I mean,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: my view is it's a waste of money. I don't
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: value Dua. I don't value labels.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: But some people do for whatever reason, for whatever subjective reason.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: They have, and therefore they will value that thing much
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: higher than I value it. And the beauty of a
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: marketplace is I don't have to support what I consider
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the irrational desire for a labeled good.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I don't have to buy the labeled good.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I you know, I don't want my money taken from
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: me and given to them so they can buy the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: labeled good.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: In a free market, people who desire Chanel and Dois
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and Louis Vuitton can go and buy them. People who
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: don't desire them don't buy them.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: The beauty of the marketplace is it provides the values
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: people want. If people stop buying Chanel because they don't,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: they don't want to buy labels anymore. Chanel will go
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: out of business as long as people buy it. It's
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: a value to those people. So one of the things,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: one of the mistakes people have is they think that
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a value is something inherent in the thing. It's it's
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: intrinsic to the thing. But if value is not intrinsic,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: a value is personal. A value is to whom. For
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: every value, you have to ask to whom and for
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: what Who is the value for? That is, who is
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: the value er and what do they value it for?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And we all have different values, and that's fine, certainly
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: finding in the marketplace, and the marketplace is built for that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: When it comes to moral values, it would be better
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: if there wasn't such a great divergence in terms of
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: what our values are. It would be it would be
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: better if those values were more similar. Put it that way,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: they'd be less conflict in the world if our values
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: are more similar around things like morality.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: All right, any.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Wild flower, feel free to ask any follow up questions.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I know other people have have answered your have answered
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: your questions, but if you'd like, you'd like to follow up.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to answer them.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Right, So, if people paying a high price, are not
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: necessarily paying via quality. They're paying for what they want.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe what they want is the label. I don't understand it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything to me, but it might be
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: fine for them. All right, let me take some of
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: your questions. Oh, Ryan was funding Wildflowers question. I didn't
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: even notice that, so it an sways funding Wildflow's question.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: When you talk about something having values, such as a product,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: do you think we should primarily focus on monetary value
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: or non price? Competitiveness also a large factor. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's properly formulated.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Because the follow on was around.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: The following was around luxury products and labels and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. I think what that represents is really the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: fact that we all value different things for different reasons,
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  Speaker 2: for different purposes.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't value labels. I don't value chanel.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I don't value draw in these things, so I don't
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: buy them. It's not a value for me. Chanelle is
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: not a value for me. I'm not interested in them.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: For other people, having the label is important to them
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason it happens to be, I think mostly
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: irrational reasons, but whatever reason it happens to be, so
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: they buy it, so again, there's no You know, the
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: beauty of capitalism is that it provides this variety of
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: goods at different price points, different quality points, different labels,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: for different people based on their particular values what they value.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: All right, Sebastian, I think I answered your question about
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: the books.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Harrison.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Did I get a shout out for feed rate command
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  Speaker 2: on Spotify? Feed rate command on Spotify. Don't know what
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  Speaker 2: that is? Which is where I'm putting all the music
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  Speaker 2: currently over two hours worth of songs i'd been making
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  Speaker 2: with AI. Yeah, if you guys are interested in AI
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: music that Harrison has been making, check out feed rates.
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  Speaker 2: That's one word, feed rate command on Spotify, and check
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  Speaker 2: it out. See if you like it, see see if
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  Speaker 2: you like You know what is AI is producing?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: With Harrison's guidance.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: With Harrison's guidance, Ryan said, did you watch Did you
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: get to watch The State of the Union? I avoided
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it because you were going to jump on the grenade
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and report back. Jumping the grenade is freaking right. I
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: read much of it. I didn't watch it. I can't
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: watch him. He's just too awful. I read much of it,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and then I was like, hey, I'm glad I didn't
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: listen to this. It was a complete show. It was
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: a complete waste of time. It lasted forever. It was
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the longest State of the Union. I predicted it would be,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: But it was a show with a hockey team coming
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: out and everybody giving a standing innovation and ebading the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Democrats to applaud something. It wasn't even like a Bill
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Clinton State of the Union, which is here the thirty
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: five different things that I'm going to ask Congress to do.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: There was no legislative agenda. There was nothing of meaning
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: of value in the State of the Union. It was
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: complete hogwash. His lies about the state of the world,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: how great it is, and a few things that he
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: wants to do visa vid economy, banning private equity from
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: buying homes, as if that will make any difference it won't,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and a few other things. But it was basically content less.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: There was no content in it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: It was one long campaign speech rant. He played it,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: He played it perfectly. He baited the Democrats, he fed
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: his his you know, maga people red meat, and but
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you know it was it's It's a complete It was
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: a complete waste of time, complete waste of time.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: There's no value.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Literally, you didn't learn anything about what the president wants
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to do, about what might happen, about nothing, Michael. Do
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: people know on some level altruism is impractical or unrealistic,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: but have to abide by it to some extent or
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the alternative is a world of inhumane heartlessness.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think people really engage in it that much.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: That is, you know, do they know at some level?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Sure, at some level they know, But what exactly do
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: they know? What exactly do they know? There's a certain
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: sense that it's they have a certain discomfort. They don't
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: want to be altruistic, they don't want to sacrifice themselves,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: and it is true that they are also fed this
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: lie that in the world without altruism, it would be
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: dog eat dog and everything would be horrific.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: So this is the best we have.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I think that was my attitude to altruism when I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was a teenager. It was like, I don't quite get
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it why I should sacrifice my life other people.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: But I don't see what the alternative is. I don't
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: see how you get out of it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And this is why I think it's so important to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: get people to read I rand well, it's so important
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to get them to read the books and encounter these
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: ideas and engage with them, so at least they have
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: in their mind an alternative, particularly when they and they
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: can still change after certain age, it's very difficult for
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: people to change. Wildflower has come back and says, in
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a free market without regulation, how do you correct the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: exploitation of consumers by monopoly power?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: If that makes any sense.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, But the real point is that in a true
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: free market, monopolies as we understand them don't exist because
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: there's always competition. There's always somebody trying to beat you.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And there are plenty of historical examples of this, historical
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: examples where companies have massive market shares and you'd expect
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: them to exploit consumers.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: By raising prices and lowering quality.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: That's what they teach you in economics, one on one,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: they teach you in colleges, they teach you everywhere that
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: popolists do is they raise prices and lower quality. But
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: when you actually look at the real world, in places
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: where there are even a little bit of free markets,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: what you find is that companies don't do that. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and the question is why don't they write They've gotten
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: monopoly power. Supposedly they've got the market share, they could
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: raise prices and lower quality, but they don't. They literally
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the empirical data shows they don't. So why well, because
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: they know a good CEO, a good businessman knows that
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: if he starts exploiting his customers, competitors will arise. There's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: always somebody who's who is eager.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: To take market share away from you.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: There's always somebody willing to build a better mouse trap building,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: willing to build a better product, offer it at a
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: better price, try to undercut you and.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Take away some of your market share.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Always in any industry, and even when the barriers to entry,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that is, it requires a lot of capital to invest
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: in order to build an alternative. Capitalists are eager to
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: fund people who can beat monopolists because that means that
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: they can take market share away from monopolists, they can grow.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: There's a real business there, and the businesses are being
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: proven by the so called monopolists. So business leaders just
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: don't exploit their customers for that reason, they know competitors
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: will arise. Now there's another reason, and that is or
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: the other reasons depending on the products. But they are
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: products also, so for example, standard oil in eighteen seventies
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: in the United States had ninety three percent of all
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: their refining capacity in the United States of oil. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: yet they didn't raise prices, they didn't lower quality.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: They lowered prices every single day and quality went up.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Why they knew that if they lower prices and increased quality,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: adoption would increase. More and more people would buy their oil,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: and then more and more uses for that oil will
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: be discovered. For example, oil got so cheap that when
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: automobiles were being invented and people were looking at different
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: types of motives and how to fuel them and how
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: to run them, oil was so cheap and so well
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: made at that point that it was adopted as fuel
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: for automobiles. There were competitors, and so the market that
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Rockefeller had expanded dramatically because he kept prices low, and
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: in spite of that, there was still massive competition. So
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: by the time he was broken up by anti trust
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: laws by the government, he only had sixty percent of
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the market because competitors had arisen and taken away much
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: of his market chain. So there's always competition. You know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Google control search, but now there's AI and with AI
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: We've got a new incredibly powerful search engine that is
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: going to dethrone Google from the search so called monopoly.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: So don't buy into the story of monopolies. They the
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: more free market of market is, the fewer monopolies. They
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: will be the monopolies that are really damaging, that raise prices,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: lower quality, A government run monopolies or government granded monopolies,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: monopolies that are protected by the government. Those are the
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: monopolies we need to get rid of. Those are the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: monopolies that do harm. In the private market, where there's
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: real competition, monopolies don't exist.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: A good question. Good question. Welflow, Thank you, Clark. Ice
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: is in retreat.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Trump is extremely unpopular, Iran is on the verge of collapse.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: The Enlightenment wins again. Well, you're you're pretty optimistic.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Uh ICE is in retreat in Minneapolis, but they're still
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: running up people all over the country and still using
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: pretty aggressive tactics in Minneapolis itself. A judge just put
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: out a statement today saying that uh uh ICE, the
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Department of Home Homeland Security, is ignoring the courts.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Uh is is in uh I I I is.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: In violation of court of of numerous court orders, and
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: he is about uh.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I y y y y.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: You know, he's he's it's a furious uh statement about
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: about Ice.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So Ice is not.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Completely in retreat, but slowly maybe a little bit. And
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that's only because people stood up against it. Trump is
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: extremely unpopular, true, so the Democrats, by the way. But
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it's good that Trump is extremely unpopular. Iwanna's on the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: verge of collapse. Maybe I hope so, I hope so
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: demonstrats demonstrations continue. But you know, I still am not
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: convinced that the United States is going to strike you
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: on the Uranians are playing the Americans and negotiations. They're
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: playing them to give them a sense that maybe something
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: they maybe a deal is in the making, and Trump
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: clearly prefers a deal. Trump is angling for a deal
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: almost at any price. All right, guys, let me let's see.
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  Speaker 2: In regard to double jeopardy and the government not being
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  Speaker 2: allowed to continue to prosecute someone after they've been equoted,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: how does justice get brought to someone like Oj? I
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: understand the risks of letting the government continue to prosecute
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  Speaker 2: somebody until they find a jury that will convict them,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: but that we doubled. But with double jeopardy, some guilty
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  Speaker 2: men will definitely go free.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yes they will.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: That that is a reality luckily for us in a sense,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: reality will not let them be free, will not let
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• 58:22
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather generally, I think the principle is we'd rather
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: let a guilty man go free than prosecute an innocent man,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: or give the government so much power that they might
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  Speaker 2: harass an innocent man through ongoing continues prosecution. So reality
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  Speaker 2: he lived in a life so and that's true of
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  Speaker 2: all evil people. So reality is the ultimate punisher of
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  Speaker 1: Wesley.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say you were in Trump's shoes right now. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, what would you do with respect to.
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  Speaker 1: You on.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, I basically start bombing them yesterday. I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: would go after regime targets. I would try to kill Jamini.
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  Speaker 2: I would go after the entire leadership of the regime,
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  Speaker 2: the slam Is military leadership. I would try to destroy
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  Speaker 2: as much of the Islamic Revolutionary God as I could.
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  Speaker 2: I would not even focus on the on the nuclear stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, unless I thought they were really close to
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. I would focus on regime change. I
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  Speaker 2: would focus on destroying the regime's capacity to defend itself
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  Speaker 2: from its own people. I would destroy the schede that
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  Speaker 2: those units that go out and suppress the population, suppress
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  Speaker 2: the demonstrations.
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  Speaker 1: UH.
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  Speaker 2: They have headquarters in Tehran and other cities. I would
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  Speaker 2: destroy all of those. I would destroy their missile capabilities.
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  Speaker 2: The only risk that they posed to America and to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Israel is the is the the ballistic missiles I would
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  Speaker 2: I would destroy using Bank Abasca bombs. I would destroy
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  Speaker 2: the inventory of missiles, and I would destroy the missiles,
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  Speaker 2: the launchers. I would basically decapitate the regime and destroy
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  Speaker 2: the capacity to make war. And I would do it immediately.
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  Speaker 2: And the assets all in place. The uss FOD is
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: off the coast of Haifa in Israel.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: It's there to defend the Israeli airspace.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: The fighter jets are there, the bomber jets are there,
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  Speaker 2: the refuelers are there, all the assets are there.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: There's absolutely zero.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Reason to wait one day and no deal. Are the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Iranians going to stick to and why would you believe them?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: So all of this is for the Iranians to buy time.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: All of this has tried to deceive Donald Trump and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: to manipulate him into doing a deal. They know he
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: is easy to manipulate, and that's what they're doing, so yeah,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: bomb them, bomb regime targets into oblivion. Michael says confidence
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  Speaker 2: is quiet and security is loud. I think generally that's true.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I think generally that's.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: True, Harrison.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: The last album published by feed Rate Command was called
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• 1:03:26
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  Speaker 2: It's on Spotify. Clark Young, do you think Trump wants
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Israel to attack you on first?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I don't quite understand that reasoning why he would want that.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think he wants you want to attack first. I mean,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I think he wouldn't mind if he wants launched at
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: a preemptive attack against Israel, because that will give Israel
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: an excuse and then the United States.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Can pack him up.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: But I don't understand the reasoning for wanting Israel to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: strike first. Maybe to test out their defense systems, but maybe,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I read the news stories
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: about this. They don't make any sense to me. I'm
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: fine with that whatever I mean, if Israel has to
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: strike first, so be it. The main thing is destroy
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: this Iranian regime. How you know, whatever it takes. Hoppa Campbell,
• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Was the West.
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  Speaker 2: Thoroughly demoralized from Kant in nineteen thirty nine. That's why
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Hitler was able to get as far as he did,
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  Speaker 2: despite operating on such a defective system. Western countries basically
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  Speaker 2: let him do what he wanted in the beginning, even
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  Speaker 2: though they had the power to stop him. Yes, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. I think it's a mistake
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  Speaker 2: to demoordelize by Kant. I think that's a mistake. I
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  Speaker 2: think to try to attribute everything to Kant is not
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  Speaker 2: helpful and not useful, and I think it's not cognitively.
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  Speaker 1: A value.
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  Speaker 2: There's a sense in which it all goes back to Kant. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not worthwhile to.
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  Speaker 1: Hold it that way.
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  Speaker 2: The West in nineteen thirty nine was compromising. It had
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: tried to appease Hitler was it was driven by appeasement
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: throughout the nineteen thirties. As Hitler came to power and
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  Speaker 2: started his aggressive it led to the Munich Agreement, and
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  Speaker 2: it also led Britain and the United States. United States
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  Speaker 2: didn't even enter the war until late nineteen forty one,
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  Speaker 2: but European countries not to harm themselves fully, even though
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  Speaker 2: Churchill kept saying, we need an arm we need to
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  Speaker 2: build a military. The appeasing the people who wanted to
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  Speaker 2: believe in peace, wanted to believe that Hitler wouldn't do
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  Speaker 2: what he said he would do, that that you know,
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  Speaker 2: peace would ultimately win out. Those people appeased and compromised
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  Speaker 2: and refused to arm themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And as a consequence, the West was.
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  Speaker 2: Very weak and uh and Hitler could get away with
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  Speaker 2: what he got away with. So that so it's appeasement, compromise,
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  Speaker 2: UH and A and a lack of appreciation for for
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  Speaker 2: how evil evil is and for the willingness of evil
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  Speaker 2: to actually do evil things.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we still suffer from that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look how we treat particularly this president, how
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  Speaker 2: we treat Putin, how we you know, Trump is going
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  Speaker 2: to go next month to China, is going.
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  Speaker 1: To grovel all over Khi.
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  Speaker 2: We still appease and compromise, dictate with dictators. We still
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  Speaker 2: don't have kind of a backbone and stand our own values,
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  Speaker 2: in our own principles, we're still you know, not positioning
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  Speaker 2: ourselves to defeat the powers of evil arrayed against us. So, yes,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: there's a sense in which it always goes back, goes
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  Speaker 2: back to Kant, but it goes to the heart of abandoning,
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  Speaker 2: of not being willing to face reality and to place
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  Speaker 2: wishes about facts, And it goes back to Christianity as
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  Speaker 2: much as it goes back to uh to the amount
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  Speaker 2: of a Kant. It goes to not wanting to be
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  Speaker 2: too assertive because that's selfish. It goes to thinking the
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  Speaker 2: best of people even when they've shown their capacity for evil.
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  Speaker 2: It's all of these ideas that, yeah, you could you
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  Speaker 2: could link them to contient ideas ultimately, because it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's an an anti reason epistemology, and it's a metaphysics
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  Speaker 2: of evading reality. But but it's much more interesting to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the specifics of that period of history, the
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  Speaker 2: specific ideas affecting the people at that time, that the
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  Speaker 2: leftist socialist ideas that they were affecting.
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  Speaker 1: England, uh, you know, and and uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: And and and try to understand what it is that
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  Speaker 2: those people were thinking that allowed them to evade reality,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: to ignore the facts, and and to pretend that things
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: were going to be different than what they turned out
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: to what they what they clearly were indicating they would be.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the whole chain of ideas.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: And it's an attitude, and it's a lack of courage,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and it's a lack of self esteem. There's no accident
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  Speaker 2: that this is a time where the British empires in decline.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: It's not an accident that this is post World War One,
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  Speaker 2: where the Bits suffered massive casualties for war.
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  Speaker 1: They were never sure why they were in and what
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  Speaker 1: they fought for.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: They were thick of war, they didn't want war. Those
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: who also important features about why they compromised with Hitler
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  Speaker 2: and in a sense put themselves in a position to
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  Speaker 2: be as.
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  Speaker 1: Weak as they were, you know, in the early part
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  Speaker 1: of the war.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully that answers the question, thank you, Harber, not you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: have a algorithm? Why didn't Trump almost getting assassinated change him,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: make him have an existential crisis and introspect oftentimes near
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: oftentimes near death exp just make people reevaluate, reevaluate.
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  Speaker 1: The gnocissism and secondhandedness.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt that I really really doubt that near death
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  Speaker 2: experiences makes people reevaluate the narcissism.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe in movies, I don't think in reality. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that actually happens.
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  Speaker 2: I would also say that Trump viewed the assassinations as
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: just affirming his beliefs. The evil of the left. They're
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: out to get him. He is a victim. It just confirmed,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: you know, the worst elements within him. It didn't change him.
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  Speaker 2: It confirmed everything he believed, at least in his own mind.
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  Speaker 1: So no, but I don't think near death.
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  Speaker 2: Experiences actually are that meaningful in people's lives. So it's yeah,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: the left hates me.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I have to destroy the Left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been chosen by destiny to survive because there
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: was such a fluke whether he believes in God or not.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Doesn't believe in God. He believes in something because you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's no question in my mind, as an element of
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  Speaker 2: mysticism in him, and he believes he's been put on
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: this earth. He has some kind of purpose. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: quite know what it is. That's part of one of
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: the advantages. If he did, he'd be worse.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, James, Why does someone selfishly become a social worker
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: or start a charity in a free society, Well, why
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: does somebody in a free society.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Become a doctor.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: In what fundamental way? Is being a doctor different than
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: being a social worker. You're helping people. You're helping people
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  Speaker 2: who are in trouble.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: A social worker helps people that are struggling with poverty.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: That poverty might.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Be accidental to them and might not be their fold,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: or it might be their issues there that the social
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: worker can help them resolve in order to gain and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: achieve something in life.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: It's a challenge, it's interesting. How do you how do.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: You get people to do the right thing? How do
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: you get people to be productive? How do you get
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: people out of poverty? How do you get people to behave.
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  Speaker 1: Like human beings. It's a challenge. It can be interesting people.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: There are people who like to work with people, and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you know, just like being a doctor is a challenge,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: is interesting. You're helping people. Psychologists, you're helping people. So
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think being a socio work is any different.
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  Speaker 2: Now a charity a charity. You know, people would start
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: charities around topics and issues that they care about. For example,
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  Speaker 2: charity that funds cancer research because they want to see
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: cancer cured. They might get cancer, their kids might get cancer,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: their friends might get cancer. They'd like to see more
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: research into cancer, the cure care answer. The government's not
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: funding funding cancer, So.
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  Speaker 1: They start a research thing.
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  Speaker 2: Or they love babies, you know, the potential and babies,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: the beauty and babies, the innocence of babies. They love
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: children and babies, so they start a charity to help
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: children and babies who are who are poor and and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: you know, the charity will provide them with an education,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: or provide them with shoes or you know whatever it
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: happens to be, right, So there won't be a lot
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: of charities, I think on Eliza Fay capitalism, because people
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: will be relatively wealthy.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: But there'll be.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Some, and there'll be those that align with the values
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: of the people setting them up and funding them.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: But again it's it's a challenge.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: It's interesting, how do you how do you help children
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  Speaker 2: in a productive way?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Let's see al right, well, oh all right, not you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: have a joggrhithm.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: It's so old and unpredictable which personalities people follow blindly.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Hitlerin Trump don't strike me as particularly likable and charismatic.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yet these supporters would fight and die for them. Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: but almost all.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Dictators wouldn't strike you as likable and charismatic. Peruone in
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Latin America and Argentina was not particularly likable or charismatic.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: The military dictators in Brazil were not particularly likable or charismatic.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: Stalin you wouldn't view as particularly likable and charismatic. But
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: they are all likable and charismatic to some people. They
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: all hook into the mindlessness of the masses. They all
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: provide the masses, the unthinking, the missing, links with.
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  Speaker 1: Some value, with something they can latch onto, and that's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: who they need. They don't need you.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: You're not never gonna like them, you're never going to
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: follow them, but you're not the target audience. You think
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: too much, you're too independent. They're looking for people who
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: are not independent, who are not thinkers.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: That's what they thrive on.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Res Thank you fifty Australian dollars really appreciated. Just seen
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: a video of an Australian officer confiscating a sign from
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters after they egged on a child to stomp
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: on the poster after the child approached.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Them and said free Palestine. All playing out in front
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: of the officer, right, I'm not sure I understand.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: So these protesters egged on a child to stomp on
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: the poster after the child approached them and said free Palestine, yeah,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: and the cop took it away confiscated it.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, uh, I don't know what did the signs
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: say and why why did they egg the child down
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: to stomp on the poster? What was the poster about?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Was the post a pro Isra poster? I guess I
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: don't quite understand the setup. Officer claimed he was confiscating
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: as this would create division and lead to violence at
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: the protest. All comments under the video are supportive of
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the officer's action. Free speech be damned apparently, Oh, I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: see so yeah, I mean, uh, officers not be confiscating posters. Now,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: the whole idea of people protesting, you know, the whole
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: idea of people engaging in counter protests in public and
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: potentially violence against one another, you really have to think
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: about whether that is something that we should really be
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: protecting and whether that is something you know, a value.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: But yes, once we allow protests, you can't decide. You
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: can't say this, or you can't write that, or you
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: can't do this or you can't do that. Once you
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: allow protests, it's a neuralma free speech, and the government
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: has to protect free speech, even speech they don't like,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: even speech they find offensive, even speech it's insulting.
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  Speaker 1: Oh the post there is a picture of Nittagnielle. I see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, the whole thing is, the whole thing
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. You know, you know how the police decid
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: and don't decide and what's offensive and what's not offensive.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Once you open the door to being able to limit
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: hate speech, you're in completely subjective territory and you're outside.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: You've already violated free speech. And this is just an example,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: an example of that. James was Jordan Belfort, an actual
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: criminal escapegoat like Mike Milkin. I don't know. I don't
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: know the case well enough. I'd have to really do
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: the research to figure it out, and I haven't.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Liam.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the transition to objectives and will happen
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: quite quickly once we reach a critical mass or will
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: it be a gradual transition of removing regulations and taxes
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: over generations of centuries. I think it'll be gradual. I
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: don't think it'll be all at once. I think it'll
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: be gradual, and it won't be centuries, but it'll be
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: over generations. There's a lot of work to be done.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Even once people convinced of the truth of objectivism, they
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: have to understand it, they have to know how to
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: apply it, and then you have to capture the political
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: high ground.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: You have to know how to what to do in
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: order to achieve your goals.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Once you achieve that political you know, and unwinding the
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: regulatory state is not easy, so it could take a while.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: No, the government regulating.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: The stock market so as to prevent fraud is not
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: the same as the government interference in the economy via
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: the federal res of etc. Right, you're on, Well, it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: depends what does it mean to prevent fraud? That is,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: if they're prosecuting fraud, then they're legit. But what does
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: prevention of fraud mean? Does that mean they force companies
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: to make disclosures?
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: That's wrong.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: That's as bad as government interfering in the economy in
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: other ways. You know them, you know all the different
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: ways in which they control and regulate the stock pocket
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: because they might be fraud. All of that is inappropriate,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: and all of that is destructive. And all of that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: creates damage. Maybe not as much damage as the Federal
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Reserve can do. True, the Federal Reserve is much more
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: dangerous than that regard, but it's still wrong and it's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: still destructive. The gunment stop is to prosecute fraud, not
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: to prevent fraud. How do you how do you actually
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: you know it's not to It's just like, yeah, we're
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: gonna prevent robbery by forcing you to have bulletproof glass
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: and what do you call them metal gating and you know,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: thick thicker doors, and you know, and now we're gonna
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: prevent burglary. Well, no, it's not the government's job to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: prevent burglary. The government's job is to catch the burglars
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: and to put them in jail, and to stop the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: burglary if they get there in time to be able
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: to stop it. But it's not to regulate people's lives
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: in order to prevent it. Thank you all. Hopper Campbell.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: Do you find the younger generation have a lack of integrity?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: There's much more betrayal and backstabbing with Gen Z than boomers.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no experience with that. I
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: just don't know. It might be true, but I don't
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: find it one way or the other.
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  Speaker 2: You guys have more experience dealing with gen zs than
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I have, but I haven't seen it, not chav Jagorithm.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I've been watching a lot of Matt Walsh's disgusting videos
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: he's been putting out lately. I get they sense he
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: wants to go full Nazi, but is worried about losing
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: his cushy job with Ben Shapiro. Well, he wants to
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: go full on religious authoritarian. I think that's true, and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I think you're right he isn't He would become an
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: anti Semite very quickly if not for the fact that
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: he works for Ben Shapiro and he's got a very
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: cushy job there.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. I think that's right. He is really really bad.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We are ten dollars short of the five hundred dollars goal,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you all the super chatters.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for you know, just hanging in there in
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  Speaker 2: spite of all my technical problems, in spite of all
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: the challenges of putting this show together. Mate, might do
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: a show tomorrow after my seminar.
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  Speaker 1: I will see you know I hope to do one tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: but no guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I have a great weekend and I look
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  Speaker 2: forward to seeing some of you at the seminar tomorrow,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: those of you from London and the rest of you
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  Speaker 2: i'll either see tomorrow. I'll definitely do our show Sunday again.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: The Wi Fi or computer or whatever the problem was.
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  Speaker 2: God's permitting, there will be a show. Thank you guys,
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