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Why Do We Exist The 9 Realms Of The Universe From Hakeem Oluseyi · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 1: All right, are you from the South McKim Yes.
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Speaker 2: The Deep South, New Orleans and Mississippi.
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Speaker 1: Man, that's some serious South there, man. I'm over here
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Speaker 1: in Carolina. I still don't believe that we should be
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Speaker 1: called the South, but they do. They include us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel you in my mind. If it snows there,
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Speaker 2: it ain't the South. Man.
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Speaker 1: You really do bring something up here that I mean.
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a day that doesn't go by
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Speaker 1: nowadays that someone doesn't ask that question why do we exist?
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Speaker 1: Because I think that we've hit that stage in the
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Speaker 1: chapters and I wish my mom and dad were here
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Speaker 1: to help me to understand this. But you're the one
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Speaker 1: that is replanting or reimagining that very question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a setup for a question? To me?
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Speaker 1: Whow man, there's setups for questions and statements and thought processes.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going, you know what, that's what Hakeem would
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Speaker 1: do in his writing. He's not sitting there setting me up.
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Speaker 1: He's just planting that seed to make me go, my god,
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Speaker 1: my god.
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Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, yeah, you're reading the way it was intended,
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Speaker 2: because I tell you, that's what I say as I
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Speaker 2: come to these understandings of the nature of our crazy reality,
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Speaker 2: how layered it is, how subtle it is, how you know,
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Speaker 2: unintuitive it is, and it is far more amazing than
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Speaker 2: science fiction.
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Speaker 1: Even you just hit a big point there. You're right,
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Speaker 1: it does have that vibe of science fiction. Is that
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Speaker 1: the reason why we can easily just throw it over
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Speaker 1: our shoulder because ah, okay, I'll deal with it tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: It'll be better tomorrow, because according to this, it's going
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Speaker 1: to be better.
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Speaker 2: It is going to be better. Man. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: just like there's a business cycle. You know, there's all
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Speaker 2: kinds of ups and downs to life, but the trend
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Speaker 2: is clear. We are on an upward trajectory as human beings,
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Speaker 2: our civilization, our amazing you know, just ability to even
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Speaker 2: though people are going to disagree with this, live peacefully
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Speaker 2: amongst each other. Right, it is not a perfect world,
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Speaker 2: but I tell you, the mayhem could be even greater
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Speaker 2: than it is right now. And I know a lot
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Speaker 2: of people feel like we're going into one of those
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Speaker 2: moments of national mayhem and we're already there. But I
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Speaker 2: have so much hope in us as a humanity and
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Speaker 2: a species.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that we go through everything that we're
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Speaker 1: going through right now only because we've kind of lost
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Speaker 1: what the definition of hope is and so therefore we're
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Speaker 1: putting in a position of Okay, try to get where
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Speaker 1: hope is and what it really means, and don't reinvent
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Speaker 1: it and put it on Netflix. You've got to live it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a lot of people it's hard for
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Speaker 2: us to understand the decisions that are forebearers made, right.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, for example, like you know, one of the
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Speaker 2: things that we criticize nationally here this is getting off
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Speaker 2: the top of the book, though, is the fact that
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Speaker 2: we have this national system of things like medicare and
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Speaker 2: social security. And you know, when I travel with the
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Speaker 2: developing world, and you're in places where there are slums.
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Speaker 2: You live in a state of either being in the
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Speaker 2: slum or behind a wall. Right, And that's what the
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Speaker 2: people who live through the Great Depression in America went through,
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Speaker 2: and they're like, you know what, man, We're going to
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Speaker 2: put in place social security and medicare so this never
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Speaker 2: happens again. Right. But now that's so far behind us
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Speaker 2: that we haven't had to live with slums in America
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Speaker 2: since that time period, and so we don't have that appreciation.
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Speaker 1: You bring up something here inside the book, and I'm
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Speaker 1: anxious to find out how your heart's going to share
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Speaker 1: the story on it. And I have always been that
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Speaker 1: person that is more universal versus well, there's religion and
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Speaker 1: there's everything else. But you use my word universal. Actually
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Speaker 1: that's our word. And so when you use stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you've been there, or I always tell
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Speaker 1: people you've been to hell, and you don't want us
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Speaker 1: to go there, that you've been there. You do not
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Speaker 1: want us to go in that direction. And this book
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Speaker 1: opens up our heart to say, don't do it, and
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Speaker 1: let me explain it to you. So is that what
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Speaker 1: you were feeling.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, I have so much hope for us as
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Speaker 2: a species. And you know, there is a lot of
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Speaker 2: systems that we create that have the ability for great
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Speaker 2: good and great evil. Right. And if you look at science,
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Speaker 2: people look at something like nuclear power, they will say, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, this is like cheap power forever and energy.
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Speaker 2: And if you look at economies, right, there's this close
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Speaker 2: relation correlation between the amount of energy you have access
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Speaker 2: to and your ability to generate you know, an economy
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Speaker 2: for your nation, right, and so cheap abundant energy great,
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Speaker 2: but also nuclear bombs, right, So you have to take
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Speaker 2: advantage of the good while keeping the bad lower and
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Speaker 2: you know, a suppress so it does not occur. But
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Speaker 2: the lessons of history tell us that when you have
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Speaker 2: those systems that are capable of great good and great bad,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get both. You're gonna get both, right, But
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Speaker 2: you want the good to outweigh the bad. And I
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Speaker 2: think we're capable of that, and we do it over
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Speaker 2: and over, but we don't give ourselves enough credit.
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Speaker 1: When you speak of the nine realms of the universe
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Speaker 1: right away, that takes me back to all of my
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Speaker 1: studies in martial arts, because we are taught how to
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Speaker 1: learn to love all living things. So when you're talking
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Speaker 1: about the nine realms of the universe, you're talking about
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Speaker 1: respecting all living things.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and not only that, naming them right, being
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Speaker 2: seen and heard. Yes, you know, like Doctor Who. One
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Speaker 2: of my favorite sci fis a constant thing is that
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Speaker 2: once you name the monster, now you can defeat the monster, right.
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Speaker 2: And so having that recognition of naming and seeing these
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Speaker 2: nine realms and how they interplay to bring about our
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Speaker 2: reality and your place in it and the role and
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Speaker 2: abilities that you have and what we have collectively is
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Speaker 2: humans is one of the ideas and understandings I want
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Speaker 2: people to take away.
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Speaker 1: You made me think so deeply inside this book. And
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Speaker 1: I love a book that does that because without having
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Speaker 1: to go into a true crime story or an adventure book,
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Speaker 1: you give me that opportunity. And one of the things
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Speaker 1: that I have spent so much time on it, and
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Speaker 1: I've put these on iHeartRadio so much over the past
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Speaker 1: month now, and that is is that you put the
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Speaker 1: subject on beginning, middle, and end. And the one thing
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Speaker 1: that I mean, until I read your book, I didn't
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Speaker 1: know this, but beginning is when you're introduced to an idea.
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Speaker 1: The middle is when you're going through the pain and
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Speaker 1: the challenge and every mountain that you didn't think even advance.
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Speaker 1: And then the thing is the end is really it's
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Speaker 1: the first step of a brand new continuation. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: how the hell did this guy get so brave to
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Speaker 1: put this on a page and why did it take
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Speaker 1: so long to reach readers today?
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Speaker 2: Wow? You know it's funny you say that because I
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Speaker 2: did a podcast last week and it was a physicist
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Speaker 2: and he goes, Hakeen. Man. The thing I get from
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Speaker 2: this is courage. You have the courage say these things.
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Speaker 2: You know, when I was writing it, that is not
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Speaker 2: that was not on my map of what I was doing. Right.
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Speaker 2: I just felt, I just I'm just the kype of dude.
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Speaker 2: I have to tell the truth, man, I have to
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Speaker 2: lay it out as I see it. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I have a short time here on earth. I have
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Speaker 2: this burning curiosity, I have this love for humanity and
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Speaker 2: I want to share. I want to uplift and I
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Speaker 2: want us to achieve what we are capable of as
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Speaker 2: a species. And this is a small contribution, right, This
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Speaker 2: book is going to open minds and it's going to
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Speaker 2: inspire people. And I tell you, you know, I felt like
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Speaker 2: it's something I had to do to help take us
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Speaker 2: to that next step. You know, you just rocked my world.
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Speaker 1: Right there, you talk about how short life is, and
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Speaker 1: right away, I'm going, oh my god, I've been a
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Speaker 1: daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four. Do you
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Speaker 1: know what thirty two years of daily writing looks like?
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Speaker 1: It's only a few boxes, And that right there tells
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Speaker 1: you that's how short life is. Oh it's thirty six years.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thirty six years. Okay, Over there in
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Speaker 1: those boxes is thirty two years of writing. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: there's not that much there. I mean, and so I mean,
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Speaker 1: so for you to write a book like this, you
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Speaker 1: are opening up paths to hopefully where people go. I
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Speaker 1: want to learn more about why we exist.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know what's really amazing is that it's
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Speaker 2: not just these nine realms that I give. But what
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Speaker 2: I don't talk about too much I leave for the
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Speaker 2: reader is what's happening at the intersection of those realms.
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Speaker 2: That's where there's new discovery, new thoughts, new ideas, and
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Speaker 2: I'm inviting it. Right one of those I'm the smart scientists.
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Speaker 2: You're the reader. Let me tell you what's happening. No,
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Speaker 2: it is like, man, you're a smart as me, right.
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Speaker 2: I just happen to like this stuff and spend a
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Speaker 2: lot of time doing it. And you know, I also
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Speaker 2: happen to be the world's greatest basketball player in the
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Speaker 2: history of the world. But uh, at age fifty nine,
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Speaker 2: you know, BARACKI used to say something similar, I think,
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Speaker 2: but man, I tell you, I think that the readers
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Speaker 2: are gonna come away with so much from this book,
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Speaker 2: not just knowledge, not just inspiration, but they're going to
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Speaker 2: be sparked. They're going to be sparked to new thoughts.
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Speaker 2: They're going to see the world like they hadn't seen
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Speaker 2: it before. Yep, yep.
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Speaker 1: But you are the greatest basketball of player of all time.
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Speaker 1: I you know, I because I believe it. If you
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Speaker 1: believe it inside your mind, body and soul, then I
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Speaker 1: believe it. And I think that's what's wrong, because because
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Speaker 1: when we step into that moment where we start doubting ourselves,
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, now your third string and
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Speaker 1: you're on the bench. That's blogoney, I am the greatest
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Speaker 1: basketball player of all time. So yeah, and that's what
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Speaker 1: I love about your honesty here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gotta believe man. And for me, honesty
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Speaker 2: is the way forward. I can't I can't do it
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Speaker 2: any other way. I can't do it any other way.
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Speaker 2: I'm not scared, you know, I'm not scared, because that's
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Speaker 2: what makes you not tell the truth, right, is that
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Speaker 2: fear and not call it the way you see it.
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Speaker 2: And when you're in a professional environment, like you know,
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Speaker 2: you have to really be careful what you say so
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Speaker 2: you don't lose credibility. But you know, I think about it,
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Speaker 2: like when I work at NASA headquarters, right, everybody wore
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Speaker 2: a suit, so I wore a suit, but I have
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Speaker 2: a skin condition that's really kind of bad on my
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Speaker 2: neck and I couldn't take it. So you know what
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Speaker 2: I'm like, forget it. I'm gonna wear T shirts to
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Speaker 2: work now nowadays. And guess what happened? Nothing right, The
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Speaker 2: respect remained, you know, my ideas were still valued. And
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Speaker 2: now I don't have a rash on my neck every day.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you you just got me there, because you're right.
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Speaker 1: When we're all wearing the same clothes, do you think
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Speaker 1: I could recognize you on the street? Probably not, because
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Speaker 1: you're not doing those same clothes. And I often wonder
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Speaker 1: what that is doing to our generation in the way
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Speaker 1: that we're all supposed to look alike. And how many
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Speaker 1: times have you run into somebody saying, what you think
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Speaker 1: we all look the same?
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Speaker 2: Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah? You know that's the thing. And
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Speaker 2: the other thing about the human mind is that you
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Speaker 2: can unlock one door and that just leads to a
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Speaker 2: whole mansion of thoughts that you didn't even know existed. Right,
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Speaker 2: Sometimes one little provocation and your mind, you know, you
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Speaker 2: could have a new purpose in life.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. We'll be right back with Hakeem
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Speaker 1: oh luche Ye coming up next, the name of his book,
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Speaker 1: Why Do We Exist? We are back with Hakim. What
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Speaker 1: are you doing with your realm of imagination? Now that
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Speaker 1: you've you know, you've released this book. There's now that
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Speaker 1: empty spot. As Julia Cameron from the Artists, we would say,
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Speaker 1: you've cleaned out your closet, Now what are you putting
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Speaker 1: back in there?
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Speaker 2: Well, listen, you know I stay busy, right, So I
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Speaker 2: have a couple of podcasts Particles of Thought with the
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Speaker 2: creators of Nova. You can find it. I have with
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Speaker 2: Roddenberry a science fiction podcast from my co host Tamara Krinsky.
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Speaker 2: I'm working on new writings, you know, more stuff up,
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Speaker 2: more from the world of humans as well as the
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Speaker 2: world of science.
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Speaker 1: Well, what about this realm then that might not be
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Speaker 1: in your book. But then again, you can come back
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Speaker 1: and get me the realm of being addicted to creativity.
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Speaker 2: Oh. I love that. That's the realm of imagination. Oh
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Speaker 2: and one thing I forgot to mention is that I'm
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Speaker 2: the CEO of America's first and oldest national astronomy organization.
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Speaker 2: You can find us at the Astrosociety dot org. And
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Speaker 2: I am working on changing education as it occurs, particularly
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Speaker 2: in science. And my goal is for the average eleven
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Speaker 2: year old in the future, the near future, to have
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Speaker 2: the mathematical acumen of the average college sophomore. And I
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Speaker 2: think that is doable. I've already done it with some kids,
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Speaker 2: but it takes a whole new rethinking of the way
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Speaker 2: we go about mathematics and logic. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: think that's going to be transformative in the world.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you are so spot on with what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Because we have somebody that lives in this forest with
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Speaker 1: us and they've pulled their kids out of the school
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Speaker 1: because they're going to be doing their own home education
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Speaker 1: and their classroom is out here in this forest. And
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Speaker 1: I'm going, thank God in heaven. It's only been thirty
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Speaker 1: four years for me to finally get people to understand
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Speaker 1: these trees and rocks are storytellers.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely they are. That's why I got my education
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Speaker 2: in the woods of Mississippi. And just so you know,
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Speaker 2: I also homeschool my son up to age ten, and
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Speaker 2: you know, from that point forward, school was a joke
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Speaker 2: for him. You know, I want to put him in
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Speaker 2: regular school. It was super easy because of the strong foundation,
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Speaker 2: and that's what I want to give to every kid.
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Speaker 2: Right So, I think that the universe is our teacher,
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Speaker 2: and our minds are capable of more than we ask
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Speaker 2: of them.
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Speaker 1: You're right here in the South, and I got to
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Speaker 1: ask you this because you do have some powerful statements
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Speaker 1: and words in this book. Are you expecting people to
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Speaker 1: go all Southern Baptists on you in the way of going,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel it. I know what I
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Speaker 1: game is saying. This is what I've been looking for. Amen,
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Jesus. I mean, because you you
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Speaker 1: you speak it, I feel it. There's such a blessing
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Speaker 1: from the universe inside your pages, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I do feel that. I do feel that, you know. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I've to tell you, man, think about it like this.
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Speaker 2: How many famous scientists have you ever seen on television
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Speaker 2: with a deep Southern accent? Right now, that's gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: I snuck in, man. They let me sneak in there,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm gonna I want to eat some
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Speaker 2: rakon on TV one day, you know, let them let
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Speaker 2: them know what's up. But you know, people are you know.
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Speaker 2: I love the way we are in the South. I
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Speaker 2: love how we are, you know, so expressive, but we're
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Speaker 2: also equally curious. Man. And you know, down in those woods,
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Speaker 2: I fell in love with books and that led me
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Speaker 2: to where I am today in life. And I just
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Speaker 2: hope that my book falls into someone's hands somewhere in
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Speaker 2: some woods, somewhere in some tenement, you know, and they
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Speaker 2: are inspired.
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Speaker 1: I want you to be the first one on Mars
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Speaker 1: and you go back to mission control and say, mission Control,
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Speaker 1: we're about ready to eat turtle soup for the very
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Speaker 1: first time on Mars, because I mean, that's what we
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Speaker 1: do in the South. We bring the universe into us
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Speaker 1: so that we can be one with all things around us.
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Speaker 1: And that's what you're covering in this book. Become one
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Speaker 1: with with the universe.
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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, It's already one with you, right,
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Speaker 2: you know. I tell people, you know, man, I'm so
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Speaker 2: bad ass. I breathe the cores. I breathe the cores
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Speaker 2: of dead stars, right, And that's true. Every time you
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Speaker 2: take a breath of oxygen, that oxygen atom was created
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Speaker 2: in the core of a star that is no longer
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Speaker 2: here a dead star. You are breathing the corns of
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Speaker 2: dead stars. Man, not even Superman does that.
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Speaker 1: Wow? Where can people go to find out more about you?
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Speaker 1: Because twenty minutes with you is nowhere near what we
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Speaker 1: need to be doing.
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Speaker 2: Man, I am not on any social media, but I
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Speaker 2: am on YouTube. You can find me on YouTube. You
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Speaker 2: can find the Astrosociety dot org and and and see
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Speaker 2: my content all the time Particles of Thought. You can
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Speaker 2: find me on History Channel. You can find me as
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Speaker 2: a contributor on ABC News. You can buy my memoir
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Speaker 2: A Quantum Life, My Unlikely Journey from the Street to
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Speaker 2: the Stars. And you can find me at a school
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Speaker 2: or community building near you.
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Speaker 1: People, God bless you. Please come back to this show
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Speaker 1: anytime in the future. The door is always going to
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Speaker 1: be open for you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, I appreciate you.
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Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Sir, I'll try hard man, but I already told
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Speaker 2: you I'm dumb. You stopping, stopping,