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Rugby Direct - Episode 182 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: Midweek and time to reconvene.
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  Speaker 3: Elliot Smith with me all the way back from the
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  Speaker 3: United States, the sleeping giant of world Rugby.
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  Speaker 4: Leam Mapier, Welcome back, jeez one on Joe. Great to
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  Speaker 4: see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, likewise, good trip, was it, wils Yep.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say well arrested, but it's good to be
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  Speaker 5: back in tackling another big old.
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  Speaker 3: Bladerslow indeed, Well, your Blakes have just named the team
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  Speaker 3: four Saturday Night eleven change, sorry, eleven survivors from the
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  Speaker 3: team that were beaten comprehensively, biggest ever defeat for the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks.
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  Speaker 2: Liam.
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  Speaker 3: Just looking at that team, I'm sure our listeners have
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  Speaker 3: seen it by now. Are you expecting more changes?
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  Speaker 5: Not really, I didn't know Scott Barrett was the big surprise.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't know he was injured, didn't know he we didn't
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  Speaker 5: weren't told. He finished that game with a shoulder injury.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like he trained on Tuesday and did everything he could.
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  Speaker 5: So that was the big surprise. But Raises pretty consistently
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  Speaker 5: maintained faith in his starters, asn't he I thought, maybe
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  Speaker 5: lessifying a look who might come into the mix somewhere,
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  Speaker 5: But I did expect Caleb Clark to come back. Can
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  Speaker 5: Roy Guards, Cody Taylor was always going to be injected
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  Speaker 5: back your starters, same with Cortez lastmile on the bench.
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  Speaker 5: A bit of a surprise to see Peter Lucky injected
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  Speaker 5: along with Patrick Tuopolota returning. So a couple of tweaks,
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  Speaker 5: but there's certainly no radical changes there.
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  Speaker 3: No, and those expecting radical change will be sorely disappointed
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  Speaker 3: because the players that did suffer that defeat, the worst
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  Speaker 3: ever bid an All Blacks team, largely back up again.
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  Speaker 3: But some of those players they bring in have that experience.
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  Speaker 3: Your Cody Taylor instantly makes the line out better. Can
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  Speaker 3: Roy Guard is an instant lift into that back line
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  Speaker 3: as well. Caleb Clark said to bide his time in
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  Speaker 3: the NBC, which feels like a bit of an odd
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  Speaker 3: one for the last couple of weeks, but he gets
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  Speaker 3: his opportunity and hard to argue with too many of
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  Speaker 3: those changes that they've made, especially probably for me at
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  Speaker 3: hooker and half back and probably on the left wing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Caleb Clark has been an oversight. I
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  Speaker 5: think we've been talking for the best part of two
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  Speaker 5: three weeks.
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  Speaker 2: White.
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  Speaker 4: Did he really need to play the NPC?
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  Speaker 5: Maybe one game, certainly not too when you're glaring issues
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  Speaker 5: are under the high ball. He's your best aerial exponent.
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  Speaker 5: Get him in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Why wait, Well, that's.
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  Speaker 3: The thing I think, to be honest, Torolomax and Tobody
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  Speaker 3: Williams have suffered from a lack of game time, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: not going back to the NBC, whereas I think for
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  Speaker 3: a outside back a wing it it's easier to slot in.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a real lack of consistency there there is,
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  Speaker 4: and Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Rolls and see some of the calls and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: But then you go out of the camp and you
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  Speaker 3: go back into NPC. So I would have had Caleb
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  Speaker 3: Clark and there're certainly for the Wellington set.
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  Speaker 4: Same with Cam Royguard.
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  Speaker 5: He played one game for Counties and he's straight back
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  Speaker 5: in there, so Caleb Clark I would have given him
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  Speaker 5: one game max and then he goes back to the
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  Speaker 5: left wing. He was your incumbent at the back end
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  Speaker 5: of last year. He played exceptionally well against the spring
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  Speaker 5: Box last year, so I think that was one selection oversight.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, looking at that team, I don't think you
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  Speaker 5: can underestimate, like you say, with Cody Taylor, how much
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  Speaker 5: of a difference he should make to the line out.
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  Speaker 5: And Cam Roygard he is among if not he's pushing
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  Speaker 5: a bee, considered the best half back in the world
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  Speaker 5: on his day. He upstairs DuPont last November. He has
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  Speaker 5: running threat. His booming boots will take so much pressure
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  Speaker 5: off Boden Barrett and the other kickers in that all.
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  Speaker 4: Black back line.
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  Speaker 5: He just poses so much more of a threat for
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  Speaker 5: the defenders around the ruck. And you know Cortez Latima
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  Speaker 5: has head. He's been a bit patchy, but he should
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  Speaker 5: potentially lift the tempo when it comes on later in
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  Speaker 5: that game. So the bench instantly looks strong as well,
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  Speaker 5: with too Polo two bringing that physicality, adding that experience,
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  Speaker 5: and I do like Larchey's inclusion. He's versatile and he's
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  Speaker 5: a much bigger, more powerful, dynamic ball carrier than Dupless
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  Speaker 5: and I think this should be more obviously the spring
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  Speaker 5: box Blue the All Blacks off the Park and Wellington,
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  Speaker 5: but the Wallaby style will generally be you would suspect
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  Speaker 5: more wide, more open, because their strengths are in their
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  Speaker 5: back line.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned can Roygad and Press taking some pressure off
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  Speaker 3: Boden Barrett. I think we probably can't underestimate the fact
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  Speaker 3: that the All Blacks got down to their fourth and
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  Speaker 3: fifth choice half backs in recent weeks. I think we've
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  Speaker 3: seen that there is a gulf clearly between first and
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  Speaker 3: fourth and fifth. Roy Guard is world class, as you
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  Speaker 3: pointed out, and I know was mentioned back into last
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  Speaker 3: year that I think was Isaac Boss, who's coached him
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  Speaker 3: a little bit in the age Grips could see him
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  Speaker 3: potentially being a ten now with that ever happens is
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  Speaker 3: by the bye. But he's got that playmaking mind and
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  Speaker 3: I think the All Blacks have missed having that kind
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  Speaker 3: of player come out of the back of the ruck
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  Speaker 3: option taking wise mean those suffering games are real arm
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  Speaker 3: wrestles and a lot of box kicking, but you know
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  Speaker 3: Roga would have had we snipe I'm sure once or
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  Speaker 3: twice in those games.
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  Speaker 2: How do we look?
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  Speaker 3: And I think the All Blacks certainly missed having his
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  Speaker 3: presence at half back, just directing the team and keeping
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  Speaker 3: the pulse of the team.
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  Speaker 4: Oh massively.
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  Speaker 5: The difference between him and Finlay Christie is hemispheres and
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  Speaker 5: we've touched on some of his strengths there, but one
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  Speaker 5: of them we haven't is his size.
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  Speaker 4: And the All Blacks have struggled at times.
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  Speaker 5: You go right back to France in July with their
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  Speaker 5: their breakdown and if there's pressure on there, if the
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  Speaker 5: ball not pristine, if the halfback's getting man handled, Royguard
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  Speaker 5: has the presence of mind, the size of physicality to
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  Speaker 5: go for a snight, to shake off defenders, to still
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  Speaker 5: deliver under that sort of pressure. He's by far the
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  Speaker 5: biggest half back the All Blacks have it and that
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  Speaker 5: does make a big difference.
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  Speaker 3: No, Lesku this week thought he may have seen him
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  Speaker 3: potentially off the bench. They've stuck with the midfield or
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  Speaker 3: especially the center. In terms of Billy Proctor, I thought
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  Speaker 3: this week may have been the change to a week
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  Speaker 3: to make a change there.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: He's had a lot of opportunities, and I mind the
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  Speaker 3: fact that they've stuck with him through the last few
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  Speaker 3: Test matches, but time is running out, I think, and
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  Speaker 3: this week, you know, I thought he might have been
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  Speaker 3: replaced this week, but the other week Limbs is a
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  Speaker 3: major pivotal point in his career as test career.
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  Speaker 2: I think for Billy Proctor, it's time to show up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair. He's had a lot of
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  Speaker 4: chances and.
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  Speaker 5: That combination really hasn't gelled, which is surprising with Jordie
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  Speaker 5: because they've had a lot of time. I'm together for
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  Speaker 5: the Hurricanes, not this year, but prior to that, and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Billy's just hasn't made the step up at this point.
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  Speaker 5: If there was one player in that team that was
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  Speaker 5: under significant pressure to talk, you know, whether it was
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  Speaker 5: going to be Antoonlina Brown or or leicesterifying Anook, who
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  Speaker 5: there was, There's been a lot of conjecture around that
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  Speaker 5: Raises held firm and I think credit to him because
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent there is a real temptation to bring
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  Speaker 5: in Lester's power and he knows his game well. He's
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  Speaker 5: coached them through the Crusaders so there could be an
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  Speaker 5: underlying bias.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he hasn't gone there, so Billy has to deliver.
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  Speaker 5: But you could extend that out to other players within
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  Speaker 5: that group because the heaviest defeat in history. And I
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  Speaker 5: think I haven't been around earlier in the week, but
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  Speaker 5: I think Cody Taylor spoke really well today about restoring
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  Speaker 5: prior about players fronting about the hurts and.
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  Speaker 4: The words that's stung that that have been around.
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  Speaker 5: And when he said that, I was thinking of not
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  Speaker 5: us in the media, but things that have been said
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  Speaker 5: by people like Karen Reid who questioned basically the hearts, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: of the All Blacks team and the way they folded
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  Speaker 5: under pressure when the boxerre on that rampage in the
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  Speaker 5: last twenty comments from form more Black captains like that sting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll see more than columns written by you, I
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  Speaker 3: somewhere else from our opposition, whatever I be. It's those
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  Speaker 3: former players suggesting that that I think will really hurt
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  Speaker 3: the All Blacks. Artie Suthing as captain not an unfamiliar role.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, he's already done it twice this year is
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  Speaker 3: the third time he's captained the side this year. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not unfamiliar, as I said, but I think it's time
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  Speaker 3: of Artie's stand up as a leader as well, because
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he did in the back end of
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  Speaker 3: that game in Wellington, Chip and Chase in the last
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  Speaker 3: two or three minutes and the game was gone by
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  Speaker 3: that point, but not really the play that was needed.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he stood up in that game at all.
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  Speaker 2: Thought he was very very quiet.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean a lot of people are clamoring Friday,
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  Speaker 3: so I ve to be the full time captain of
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  Speaker 3: this team rather than Scott Barrett. But I think there
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  Speaker 3: has to be question marks around some of his leadership,
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  Speaker 3: both as a vice captain. But you know he's going
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  Speaker 3: to have to stand up as a player and as
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  Speaker 3: a captain this week.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that's fair too. He probably hasn't been at his
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  Speaker 5: best for the All Blacks this year, different levels, but
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  Speaker 5: could you look at his impact through Former one and
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  Speaker 5: PACIFICA best player in the competition by a long way,
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  Speaker 5: inspirational every single week. Maybe that season has taken a
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  Speaker 5: bit of a toll. Not too sure, and you broaden
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  Speaker 5: that out to the loose Ford trio. I think they
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  Speaker 5: were very good at Eden Park. We saw Wallace Tacy.
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  Speaker 4: Carrying really well.
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  Speaker 5: Simon Parker is a real presence on defense and as
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  Speaker 5: a trio. They were massively upstaged in Wellington. That's not
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  Speaker 5: as easy when you're on the back foot and the
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  Speaker 5: set piece is disintegrating the scrum. The line out went
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  Speaker 5: to the packs. So I think there's some a lot
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  Speaker 5: of onus on the All Black forward pack to front
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  Speaker 5: different kettle of fish against the Wallabies. It will be
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  Speaker 5: you suspect more, more up tempo. But there's no doubt
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  Speaker 5: Joe Schmidt would have watched what's happened with the All Blacks,
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  Speaker 5: some of their defensive frailties. I'm sure he's picked apart
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  Speaker 5: a few little set piece plays and I've got got
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  Speaker 5: to still target the All Blacks in the air, don't they.
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  Speaker 3: They do because they've seen the frailties there, they've seen
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  Speaker 3: the weaknesses. So as Joe Schmidt would have seen, he
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  Speaker 3: would have watched that tape and gone, this is how
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  Speaker 3: we can do it, and maybe they go away from
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  Speaker 3: their game plan this week and go right. These guys
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  Speaker 3: don't like it the under the in the air, so
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  Speaker 3: let's just absolutely hamm with them. If I'm the Wallabies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know whether you can outrun the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks because they've tried to do it for twenty
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  Speaker 3: odd years and have them on the blas the back.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe they just go back into their shells and
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  Speaker 3: play spring box like rugby because the All Blacks don't
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  Speaker 3: like it that way.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Schmidt as a high detail hours go right, so
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  Speaker 5: he's catch pass, He's everything done to a very high precision.
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  Speaker 5: He would have been pouring over footage. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: think there's any doubt that the Wallaby strengths are in
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  Speaker 5: their back line. Their midfield has a claim to be
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  Speaker 5: the best in the world currently. Sui Lee and ikto
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  Speaker 5: bouncing off each other. You want to get them the
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  Speaker 5: ball in space. Max Jorgensen probably shift to fall back
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  Speaker 5: with Andrew callaway out. I think that probably nullifies his
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  Speaker 5: impact to weave it because I don't think you can
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  Speaker 5: inject your pace as much from fullback. He will be
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  Speaker 5: peppered with high balls, maybe not unleashed in the same capacity.
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  Speaker 5: But I think the Wallaby strengths are in their back
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  Speaker 5: line and they'll look to use those. But just on
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  Speaker 5: the Wallabies, I think we've discussed it previously. There's no
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  Speaker 5: Dutch Schmidz bought a depth of character, a resilience. We've
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  Speaker 5: seen them come back even when they've lost, they've been competitive.
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  Speaker 5: Talk a couple of the Australian journalists today, Ian Payton
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  Speaker 5: and Jimmie Perrin panderam apologies and they made the point
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  Speaker 5: that yeah, previous Wallaby's teams, even under Checker and co,
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  Speaker 5: they'd be good one week, pounded the next, but now
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  Speaker 5: they're competitive every single week. I'm pretty confident that All
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  Speaker 5: Blacks will bounce back this week, but I don't think
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  Speaker 5: we'll see the blowouts of previous years. This Wallaby's team
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  Speaker 5: is still missing Will Skelton and Rob Valentini, and that's
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  Speaker 5: predominantly why I reckon the All Blacks could well should
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  Speaker 5: win because those are two huge presences in that Wallaby's
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  Speaker 5: pack and they were front and center during the Lions
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  Speaker 5: series when the Wallaby's played their best rugby and everyone
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  Speaker 5: seems to be overlooking the fact that the Wallaby's actually
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  Speaker 5: lost the last thay out to the Plumbers as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the comeback sort of overshadowed that a little.
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  Speaker 3: But we're recording this before the Wallaby's team is officially announced,
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  Speaker 3: but it sounds like James O'Connor is likely to be
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  Speaker 3: a teen and according to a friend of the pod,
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  Speaker 3: Christy Dorian, who has some pretty good male big in
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  Speaker 3: for them in terms of getting that experience. They've got
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  Speaker 3: some injuries and liner etc. But this is a guy
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  Speaker 3: that is a super Raby champion not so long ago
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  Speaker 3: and knows some of the ways the Crusader's boys in
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  Speaker 3: that Crusader and that All Blacks team will play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it probably goes both ways. They know him as well, and.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's necessary a compliment to Australian rugby though,
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  Speaker 5: is it that you have to fly a guy back
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  Speaker 5: from Europe to start a test match?
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  Speaker 4: For you?
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  Speaker 5: A very a guy that's probably over the hill play
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  Speaker 5: beyond his best. It sure he's mature much.
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  Speaker 2: He's the only player in the wall Becau this even
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  Speaker 2: one anything.
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  Speaker 5: Well, look, I would much rather have James O'Connor than
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  Speaker 5: Tane Edmond, so that's why they're flying him back. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: not great depth at ten when you have to bring
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  Speaker 5: a bloke. But when did it even a right?
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  Speaker 2: I think Monday maybe into into Auckland.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's not idea passport is struct for.
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  Speaker 2: Customers as Liam, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: As always, we will reconvene next week after the letters
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