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Aerik Arkadian-Fluid Condensers Unlocking the Mysteries of Gold, Alchemy, and Magick · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see somethings are going to happen. What what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 2: What I.
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  Speaker 1: Help? Welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode. We
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  Speaker 1: got a uh, we got a practice, we got an
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  Speaker 1: alchemist with us, and we're gonna get uh. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be getting practical with one of those techniques that people
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  Speaker 1: talk about in occult circles all the time, but nobody
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  Speaker 1: really gets nobody really explains it to well, but not
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  Speaker 1: too clearly, and that is fluid condensers. My guess is
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  Speaker 1: Eric Arcade. If I say this right, Arcadian, you got
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  Speaker 1: it all right. And the cult author and teacher who
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  Speaker 1: works at the crossroads of music, myth and magic. He's
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  Speaker 1: publicly described as a third degree guardarian, high priest, a
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  Speaker 1: coven leader, a reiki master, and working musician audio engineer.
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  Speaker 1: And he's also known for teaching and writing about how
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  Speaker 1: a cult technique can be made usable, not just mysterious.
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  Speaker 1: Eric has a book coming out called The Fluid Condensers
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  Speaker 1: Unlocking the Mysteries of Gold, Alchemy and Magic. And this
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  Speaker 1: isn't just a vibebook or a glossary. It's it's positioned
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  Speaker 1: as a hands on manual what fluid condensers are, where
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  Speaker 1: the idea comes from, why gold matters in the magical
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  Speaker 1: logic of the work, and how a practic how a
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  Speaker 1: practitioner can actually build charge and apply them for real
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  Speaker 1: world aims without using without the usual fog and gatekeeping
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  Speaker 1: that surrounds the topic. But uh, before we introduce Eric, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's introduce the loon. What is going on you? How
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 3: Hi?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I look forward to our discussion, Eric,
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  Speaker 2: and you could you could catch me on YouTube and
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  Speaker 2: on x as the Loon awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And Eric, sir, please let everybody know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess whatever I might have left out, If there's
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  Speaker 1: anything you want to promote, any websites or anything, please
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  Speaker 1: let people know what's up with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you. It's great to be here, and
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  Speaker 3: I am Eric Arcadian. You can find me online pretty
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  Speaker 3: much anywhere there's social media, including YouTube at Eric Arcadian
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  Speaker 3: or you can go to my website Ericarcadian dot com.
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  Speaker 3: I run a show also very similar format to this,
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  Speaker 3: called Music, Myth and Magic, where I reach out and
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  Speaker 3: interview people too. So it's kind of fun to be
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  Speaker 3: on this side of things. But you can check that
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  Speaker 3: show out also on YouTube. But you know, whatever you
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  Speaker 3: read from my bio is legit, but you know, the
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  Speaker 3: titles and stuff aside. I like to write, I like
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  Speaker 3: to make music, and I'm a practicing which so my
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  Speaker 3: wife and I run a coven here locally in fum
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  Speaker 3: Beach where we live, and we're pretty active in the
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  Speaker 3: pagan community. We like to get involved in stuff, go
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  Speaker 3: to festivals, teach classes, to workshops, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice, nice, man, that's awesome in the Florida obviously, right, yep. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: There's such an active place for like podcasts and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of witches here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like even that or it's like, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: be huge bigfoot community I know out there too, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people from podcasting get into bigfoot, and like they're just
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  Speaker 1: so many of them in Florida. But I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess that's the place if you want woods to get
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  Speaker 1: lost in and look for the big Foot. There you go,
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  Speaker 1: you know, swamps and all that shit. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: just seems like a happening place right about now for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of media and occultism.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say happening. I mean, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of not so pleasant.
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  Speaker 1: Things, I'm sure, yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 3: Just like anywhere else in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the same question I give all my cold guests,
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  Speaker 1: which is pretty much all of them. Now, when did
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  Speaker 1: you find yourself getting into this stuff? Like how did
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  Speaker 1: you realize, Oh, I'm going to make a life of this?
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  Speaker 3: Hmm, interesting, interesting question that.
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  Speaker 1: Much time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't go like all the way back, but
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  Speaker 3: I was. I was raised in a really really conservative
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  Speaker 3: Christian household, so we were at church all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the when I say conservative, I mean like
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  Speaker 3: there was a really conservative church in the area that
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  Speaker 3: my parents used to take me to that wasn't conservative enough,
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  Speaker 3: but there was a guy from that church who left
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  Speaker 3: to start an even more conservative church, and my parents
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  Speaker 3: went with him to start this new church. So as
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  Speaker 3: a kid, I was just in this like really small,
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  Speaker 3: really small church group of people, mostly adults, nobody really
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  Speaker 3: my age. And that was the influence I got from
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  Speaker 3: religion and finding God at a really young age. And
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  Speaker 3: that stuff did not really sit well with me, and
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  Speaker 3: I started to ask questions and I was told I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to ask questions, right, and I was asking
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  Speaker 3: the wrong questions and constantly threatened by going to hell
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  Speaker 3: if I was asking the wrong questions. So at some point,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to say it was like a pretty
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  Speaker 3: significant factor in this was actually, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 3: science fiction. Because when you take a social or moral
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  Speaker 3: issue and you you have it applied to aliens or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: you don't upset the status quo. And I could look
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  Speaker 3: at science fiction shows and I could see moral issues
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  Speaker 3: like a boy or gender identity that were being dealt with,
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  Speaker 3: but it was aliens dealing with it, right, and I
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  Speaker 3: would be able to watch it and say, who, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I disagree with that, because it wasn't the same as
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  Speaker 3: applying that lesson from the Bible to humanity. So I
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  Speaker 3: watched these shows and I realized that the stuff I
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  Speaker 3: was agreeing with morally from those shows directly conflicted with
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  Speaker 3: the lessons that I was being taught about morals at church.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't really know how to rectify that. So
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  Speaker 3: I kind of went on a big spiritual quest and
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  Speaker 3: I looked at other religions. I pieced together what I
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  Speaker 3: believed felt right for me, and when I put it
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  Speaker 3: all under an umbrella, it eventually just kind of fit
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  Speaker 3: under Wicca or Witchcraft, and I thought, okay, well I'll
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  Speaker 3: do that. So I did that. I joined a covin.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to make everything as official as possible. I
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  Speaker 3: went through the degrees in training, and here I am.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: I have a question for you. Growing up in a
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  Speaker 2: conservative Christian household, were you able to make a comparison
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  Speaker 2: to how because I know I grew up Catholic, So
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  Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying about. If you question, it's
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  Speaker 2: frowned upon. Didn't you find it ironic because technically, if
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  Speaker 2: you look at Jesus, he questioned and he was ridiculed
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love a lot of the teachings
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus. Jesus was a dope dude, Right, it's not
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  Speaker 3: that's not where the problem is. Like, he had some
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  Speaker 3: really good lessons to teach people, and then we took
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  Speaker 3: all those life and we corrupted them and we made
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  Speaker 3: them about war and power and money and control.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a pretty good way to say, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: do you have anything else you I'm sorry, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know I was.
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  Speaker 2: About to say it's ironic, because that's what people miss,
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  Speaker 2: is that that criticism that they have was the same
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  Speaker 2: criticism that they went through. But yet it's still the
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  Speaker 2: same which pushes many of us away and leads us
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  Speaker 2: into the occult and probably led you to doing to
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  Speaker 2: taking a deep dive into alchemy itself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was like it almost felt kind
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  Speaker 3: of a little circular when that happened. The alchemy practice
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  Speaker 3: and beliefs didn't come for me until later. But if
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  Speaker 3: you go back to a lot of the alchemical texts
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  Speaker 3: from like a lot time ago, a lot of alchemists
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  Speaker 3: were very Christian are They at least were writing about
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  Speaker 3: very Christian ideals or very Christian conceptualization of God and
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  Speaker 3: Creator in their writings.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned stuff about wicked too, right, Yeah, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: is interesting. That might be a topic I have you
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  Speaker 1: back on instead of actually you're getting into it too
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  Speaker 1: much here. What was it that I guess even I
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  Speaker 1: guess for me, I'm thinking for myself, like what would
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  Speaker 1: I have been into that brought me into actually starting
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  Speaker 1: to do alchemy with condensers and stuff like, like what
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  Speaker 1: like what I guess what were you kind of like
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  Speaker 1: into at the time when that seemed to be an idea,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, what were you practicing where were you studying?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying that led you to even getting
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  Speaker 1: into that.
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  Speaker 3: So it was definitely traditional witchcraft that I was practicing
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  Speaker 3: and studying at the time, and I happened to come
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  Speaker 3: across a recipe for a magic mirror, which was part
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  Speaker 3: of making the magic mirror was to apply the fluid condenser.
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  Speaker 3: Did not say what a fluid condenser was or how
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  Speaker 3: to make it. It was just kind of like that
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  Speaker 3: knowledge was assumed that you already had that knowledge, and
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  Speaker 3: so I kind of started trying to find other sources
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  Speaker 3: for where I could learn about fluid condensers. And there's
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  Speaker 3: really there's not a lot out there. There's not a lot,
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  Speaker 3: and there are places that it's mentioned, but it hasn't
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  Speaker 3: it hasn't ever really been fully expanded on or defined.
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  Speaker 3: And as I was, as I was studying to try
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  Speaker 3: to figure out all this stuff and how to work
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  Speaker 3: with it. That's kind of what led me into alchemy
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  Speaker 3: because they're they're very the methodology and the methodologies, they're
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  Speaker 3: very intertwined the logic and the thinking.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. I mean, I've been in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like ceremonial magic, you know, I've gotten into
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  Speaker 1: some grimors. But when I was like kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: I guess like I incorporated kind of like Wika into
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  Speaker 1: my ceremonium magic stuff I was, I'm gonna tell you know,
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  Speaker 1: was in the oto, uh thelamite, So I guess it's
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  Speaker 1: not too far rough. I really never I had one
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  Speaker 1: time I had never thought about ever getting into alchemy
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  Speaker 1: like you will, but one time I had thought about
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  Speaker 1: it when I was kind of like more into that,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just like, you know, how cool it
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  Speaker 1: would be to make my own oils and shit, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, a probably saved me money after
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  Speaker 1: a while, after I buy this stuffy and it will
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  Speaker 1: be better because I had like a good connection with
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  Speaker 1: like organic like bulk herbs. So I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I could just start fucking making in terms of this
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  Speaker 1: shit myself. So that's interesting how you say kind of
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  Speaker 1: like the same thing in any sense? Will you know
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  Speaker 1: next question, you kind of started getting into it, I
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  Speaker 1: guess for people who don't know what it is, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really even completely sure, can you tell us
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  Speaker 1: what a fluid condenser is?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So my definition in the book, the way I
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  Speaker 3: define it is that a fluid condenser is a substance
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  Speaker 3: that has a high capacity or high capability to conduct
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  Speaker 3: energy between planes. So like we're talking moving from the
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  Speaker 3: astral to the physical plane. It's something that kind of
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  Speaker 3: collectively we have found through experimentation or just we've largely
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  Speaker 3: agreed that these things work well in magic. So traditionally
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  Speaker 3: that's like an herbal solution or something that you prepare
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  Speaker 3: from a number of different things. But going back alchemically,
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  Speaker 3: then we have things like the planetary metal all the
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  Speaker 3: way up to gold.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a question the methods use because it
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  Speaker 2: sounds more like if you are would it be similar
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  Speaker 2: to what people would use for let's say distilling, uh,
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  Speaker 2: if they're homebrewing or if uh I think you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it well before we came on using h like the
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  Speaker 2: an hvact type situation that's going more into electrical and conducting.
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  Speaker 2: But is that along those lines.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean alchemy like when you when you
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  Speaker 3: take a look at alchemy and you define it in
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  Speaker 3: its simplest form, It's been stated that alchemy is raising
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  Speaker 3: of vibrations, and so what you're talking about, kind of
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  Speaker 3: like with distillation, is refinement of a substance. Right. So
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  Speaker 3: when you distill, you're boiling, and it condenses the gas
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  Speaker 3: and it trips down and it cools, and what you
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  Speaker 3: get at the end is something that's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: purer of a substance than what you started with. And
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  Speaker 3: that's the idea behind it, is that you keep repeating
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  Speaker 3: that process until you wind up with something that is
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  Speaker 3: the most pure right, or the best you can get
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  Speaker 3: with the typical preparation of a fluid condenser. We're not
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  Speaker 3: really going to be using any of that laboratory equipment.
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  Speaker 3: We might just be boiling a solution of herbs to
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  Speaker 3: kind of take the essence out of the herbs, but
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  Speaker 3: we are applying those same principles spiritually and mentally and
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  Speaker 3: energetically of refinement to the work.
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  Speaker 1: That we're doing. Nice and no, there was a diference,
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for explaining that. What is the biggest
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  Speaker 1: misconception you think with this stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Hmm?
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  Speaker 1: If there is one for you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean I had some major misconceptions when I
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  Speaker 3: first about right, because that's kind of like one thing
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  Speaker 3: just led to another thing, and that's probably why I
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  Speaker 3: ended up writing writing about it so much. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: when I thought I was imagining what a fluid condenser
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  Speaker 3: would be. I was imagining basically, like what what you
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  Speaker 3: were talking about, like a home brew setup for making
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  Speaker 3: beer or something like that, like some sort of like
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  Speaker 3: condensing coil that was collecting a fluid of some type.
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  Speaker 3: But this terminology has nothing to do with what a
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  Speaker 3: fluid condenser actually is. So the fluid is etheric fluid
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  Speaker 3: or source energy or whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 3: It actually goes back to this guy, Franz Mesmer a
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  Speaker 3: few hundred years ago, who if you've ever heard the
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  Speaker 3: term Mesmerize, this is the guy. This is why we
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  Speaker 3: call it that. So he worked with this thing called
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  Speaker 3: animal magnetism, and he believed that there was this invisible
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  Speaker 3: fluid everywhere that kind of like connected and permeated all
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  Speaker 3: living things, and that a trained practitioner could manipulate the
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  Speaker 3: fluid and have some sort of control or impact over things. Now,
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  Speaker 3: he had almost like a cult following of the Mesmerists,
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  Speaker 3: and they did some wacky things, like they had people
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  Speaker 3: swallow magnets and like for stomach pain, and they would
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  Speaker 3: try to manipulate the magnets in their stomach and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things that Mesmer stood for were kind of disproven.
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  Speaker 3: But you got to remember at the time, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the science that we have today, and they were
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  Speaker 3: they were trying to quantify or qualify these etheric things,
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  Speaker 3: and they were trying to slap labels on it. So
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  Speaker 3: they eventually started calling this the electromagnetic fluid, even though
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  Speaker 3: it really has nothing to do with electro magnetism. But
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  Speaker 3: this is essentially source energy or ether or the summation
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  Speaker 3: of the elements, if you want to put it in
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  Speaker 3: like modern witchcraft terms. It's just the power behind everything
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  Speaker 3: and it's being able to manipulate that and conduct that energy.
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  Speaker 3: You could call it plasma, I guess if you want it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's it's just kind of out there in the ethers.
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  Speaker 3: It's magic. So that was one misconception, probably the biggest
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  Speaker 3: misconception for me. And then another misconception that I would
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  Speaker 3: have had, I guess just would have been that the
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  Speaker 3: process of making them was totally physical, when in fact,
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  Speaker 3: everything has to undergo a energetic and a mental and
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  Speaker 3: a spiritual process for it to work. Just like just
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  Speaker 3: like any sort of ritual or a magical thing that
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  Speaker 3: you're participating in. If you go to a ritual and
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  Speaker 3: you're going through the motions and you're just you're not
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  Speaker 3: thinking through what you're doing. You're not really going to
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  Speaker 3: have an effect, right. But at the beginning, I did
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  Speaker 3: think it was just kind of a physical process that
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  Speaker 3: things were going through.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a question, you said, France, I think
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  Speaker 2: miser he was disproven how so.
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  Speaker 3: Not like a direct disproving, but it was more, I
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  Speaker 3: want to say, it was more of like a cult
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  Speaker 3: following and just they were doing such weird stuff with
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  Speaker 3: people like swallowing magnets and stuff like that, that it
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  Speaker 3: just it kind of lost its popularity. It's not like
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  Speaker 3: anybody had some sort of scientific equipment set up where
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  Speaker 3: they did an experiment. They were like, no, this just
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  Speaker 3: does not exist. I've disproved that. But I think Mesmer
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  Speaker 3: what he did contribute, and I think it probably influenced
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the different occult and magical groups at
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  Speaker 3: the time, probably filtered down to like the Golden Dawn,
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  Speaker 3: the Row Secrutions and people like that. Was that idea
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  Speaker 3: of the invisible fluid permeating matter, and that was taken
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  Speaker 3: up by later people like Franz Barden and a couple
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  Speaker 3: other writers who then kind of expanded on the idea
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  Speaker 3: of fluid condensers.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a question, did you put together an
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  Speaker 2: actual physical spirit condenser or is there a method you
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  Speaker 2: used to How can I say I.
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  Speaker 3: Have a bunch one within reaching distance? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't look like much. It's just this
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  Speaker 3: one is just an herbal solution. So the simple method
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  Speaker 3: of making a fluid condenser is like probably the easiest
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  Speaker 3: recipes that most of the older teachers would write about
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  Speaker 3: in their in their books is a solution of gama meal, water,
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  Speaker 3: distilled water, and some type of representation of gold, and
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  Speaker 3: then you take all of that and you add either
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  Speaker 3: blood or sexual fluids to it. So the gold I
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  Speaker 3: was always thinking, like why why are we adding gold
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  Speaker 3: to this stuff? And the gold is representative of the
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  Speaker 3: ideas of alchemy, because in alchemy, gold is the most pure,
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  Speaker 3: the most refined, the most spiritually intense substance that we
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  Speaker 3: can have. So you don't actually have to like put
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  Speaker 3: real gold in it. You can put the idea of
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  Speaker 3: gold in your fluid condenser. But traditionally we use a
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  Speaker 3: substance called gold chlori, which is a photography chemical that
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  Speaker 3: they use for film developing. But it's essentially gold melted
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  Speaker 3: down in an acid and then diluted so that it's
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  Speaker 3: not doesn't like burn through stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I had a couple of questions I want to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: ask you. There was something that you said now that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to ask, but not yet when
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it comes to alchemy. Just a quick question because it's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: really I've covered other alchemists on the show, like older people,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and there are some that even though they seem to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like get into it, like I guess the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: way you'd read it, you would think they're talking about
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: possible like you know stuff like you know, contraptions whatever, equipment,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: but they're technically actually talking about spiritual alchemy. Do you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: believe in that as well or do you look at
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it just as uh this way?
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Like, so, just to kind of expand on what you're saying,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I see that there's two branches of alchemy. There's the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: practical or laboratory alchemy, in which you are actually like
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: doing science experiments, and then there's this spiritual alchemy, which
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: is all like how you're thinking about stuff. And I say,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: like I'm ninety this practice that I'm talking about, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: don't know how it's coming across right now. But it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: like ninety nine percent spiritual alchemy. Yeah, you're you're making
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: your boiling herbs on your stove. All the stuff I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: do can be done in the kitchen. There's nothing complicated
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: about it. It's just the things you're thinking about. And
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I'm totally into the spiritual side of alchemy. I mean,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I would love to get into the more practical laboratory
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: side of things if one day I had a lab
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in my house and I had a few thousand dollars
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: of equipment to invest in. Just not practical for everybody
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: to do. But I think that, and this is of
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: course my opinion. Can't prove it or disprove it either way,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: but I think that most of the alchemical texts they
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: were using all of that procedure as a guy's to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: write about the spiritual side of things, if that makes sense,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and they were encoding that in a way like that
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: that people could look at and they wouldn't be murdered
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: for saying these things like, oh, yeah, we're just trying
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to make gold over here, and the King's like, all right,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I like that, I like gold. Can I use more
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: gold there? And really they're working on spiritual and self
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: mastery and stuff like that, So I that's kind of
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: where that was. Another misconception I think for me too,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: is that I thought alchemy was just physically about trying
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to make gold, and I always laughed it off and
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I thought it was ridiculous, And it was actually kind
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of hard for me to get into it when I
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: was studying and trying to find out more about fluid
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: condensers because I kept having that like, this is stupid.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not actually gonna make like physical gold out of
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: lab that's ridiculous. But the spiritual side of it is
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: just so powerful, and once you finally feel it, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: don't know, everything just kind of makes more sense.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Where have you, I know you kind of mentioned it
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: earlier before. Is there any like maybe examples that you
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: can give us where fluid condensers have come up in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the past and stuff and like works or other people.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Franz Barden huge he wrote Initiation into Hermetics and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: like the earlier I don't know, nineteen forties maybe if
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you're not familiar with that book, extremely influential to how
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: we think about modern Western occult practice today. Bardon was
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: kind of like the first guy that took a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: of quote quote Eastern ideology and merged it with Western
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: technique for magic. So he's got a few books out
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: there that are super influential, and he's probably like the
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: number one source if you try to trace anything back.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And then the other question that I kind of had
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to follow up on that I'm not saying that these
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: people maybe a little bit. Why do you think maybe
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: this idea was so poorly explained in the past. Hm.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: So it's difficult. Two, it's difficult to to figure out
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: where things come from, right, especially around this time in
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: magical writing. Now, we write books and we quote and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: we cite everything where we took ideas from right because
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: we'll get sued if we don't do that. But one
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, when like the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: modern witchcraft movement started, everybody was just writing books and
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: saying it was their own idea, and they were just
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: copying from somebody else. And there's actually there's like four
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: or five different people. I might be going kind of
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: on a tangent here, but I feel like I'm answering
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the question there's like four or five different people really
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: really well known authors from the start of the witchcraft
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: movement that talked about that mentioned fluid condensers, and they
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: gave a recipe for a fluid condenser and they kind
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: of presented it as their own idea. These include Scott Cunningham,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Sybil Leak, and a few other people. So I think
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: it's in Scott Cunningham's Natural Natural Magic. I think that's
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: that's the book that it's in. But here's the funny thing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: The ingredients they use are really really specific, like cucumber seeds,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: violet flower, tobacco leaves, and a few other things. It's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: just they are words that you don't see next to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: each other very often. So if you go and you
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: if you google that those words. The only other place
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: they ever come up is in Initiation into Hermetics by
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Franz Bardin. As far as I can tell, it's actually
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: his recipe that people ripped off and nobody really credited
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: him for. They were just like, this is a cool
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: thing that I came up with until probably like the nineties,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: and then we started citing our sources a little bit better.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Like Christopher Penzac talks about fluid condensers too. He goes
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: through a little bit of Bardon's methodology and actually talks
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: about where it came from, you know. So that was
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a source that was helpful for me when I was
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: first writing my book too. But I think they're just
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: mentioned so infrequently, and when they are a lot of
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: times with this kind of stuff, it's sometimes assumed there
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: was an oral transmission of knowledge as well. So you
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: would have already been familiar with what that is. You
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: read it in the book, you see the fluid condenser, Well,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you've already been taught by someone maybe as like a
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: mentor mentee magical relationship, and you already know what that is,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: so you don't have to they don't have to define
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: it in the book.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So basically this information was given from basically from teacher
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to student.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Traditionally, that's how we think alchemy was passed down.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Do you credit alchemy to the way we move forward
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: in science? Because the way you're explaining it, it has
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: application within electrical training, has that training and everything else,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And it sounds like you when you're applying this, which
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, how would you apply this?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I am, But when you're applying this, it almost appears
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: as if you are conducting a science experiment.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I can feel that. I can feel that. And the
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: way that when I do workshops on fluid condensers, the
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: way that I usually open is by saying, imagine that
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I have a light bulb and a battery, and I
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: want to turn on the light bulb, Like, how do
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I connect the two? Everybody knows I'm going to use
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: a piece of copper wire to connect those two, right,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: because copper is a good conductor of the type of
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: energy that we want to conduct, which here is electricity.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it does kind of have that sciencey vibe
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to it. It does kind of feel like a science
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: experiment going on. But then I think that helps us
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: open our minds and understand how fluid condensers work. Because
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: then what we're going to do is take the light
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: bulb and move it to the astral plane. So now
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: you have to imagine that there's a light bulb in
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the astral plane and we have to connect the battery
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to the light bulb from physical to the app plane.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: How are we going to do that? This is what
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: we use a fluid condenser for, because this is something
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: that can conduct energy all the way from source down
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: to here in the physical realm. It's like an anchor
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: point for magic. If that makes sense.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Actually it does, which leads me to another question, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The other question is. Okay, back in Renaissance time,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: it was big to try to turn lead into gold.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: If you apply that spiritually, where what does that mean
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to you on a spiritual plane?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I think that just means constant self improvement. I mean,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it does not necessarily have to be something intangible as
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: a goal. But when when we think of spiritual gold,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: that's like the best we could be spiritually here on
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: this earth. Right, So there's a lot of growth and
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: work that I want to undergo. I wouldn't say like
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I'm gold right now, you know, like that might be
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the The end result of my quest in this life
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: is to is to get closer to that. But it's
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: it's spiritual refinement. And there's also psychological aspects of it too,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: like dealing with the bad parts of you and being
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: a more balanced person. And when we throw the word
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: alchemy on it, it seems like it's something really far
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: out there, But when you reduce it down to the
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: simpler as parts of what we're trying to accomplish, it
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: is just improving oneself.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, you know it was I was just thinking
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: before it was something because of what you had mentioned.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: And uh, in my opinion, I do think maybe some
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: o occultists might have scammed people in high positions to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: maybe live a better life and be able to do
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: what they want to try to figure out what's going
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: on in their stuff. Do you have a wonder if
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: maybe the idea of turning stuff to gold was what
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: was told to the person, and possibly they made fake
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: gold to try to get away with it. And like
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: literally they weren't doing that, but like what you said,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they said that they were doing that to cover up
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: maybe them trying to have a magical experience.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: That well, I think there was a mix of factors
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: at play, and so like covering it up was probably
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: one aspect of it. But then there's also recipes and
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I think they go back all the way to ancient
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Egypt on making things look like gold, and they could
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: take like a less pure metal. I mean, you can
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: do an experiment like this with a penny and you
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: coat it. I think you coat the penny and zinc
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: and then you apply heat to the penny and the
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: zinc turns gold. It's not gold by the periodic table
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: of elements, but it looks like gold, right, and so,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: but they had no way of knowing this thousands of
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, right, because they were making something that looked
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: like gold, shined like gold, was malleable like gold, probably
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: conducted like gold, felt for all intents and purposes, felt
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: like gold. But it just it wasn't actually gold. It
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: just looked like it was. So I think there was
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: there was that element. It's not like they had like
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: mass spectrometry or gas chromatology gas chromatography where they could
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: actually take a chemical and identify it for exactly what
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: element it was. But it looked like gold to them,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and they probably a lot of people thought they were
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: making gold.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I just wondered that. I was like, you know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing with that stuff, you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: could probably fake it, you know, because I mean, who's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to say they may. I doubt they had as many
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: techniques as they did not to tell if gold's real
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: or not. But they you know what I'm saying, I mean, fools,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: gold may have been gold until it was found out
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't real, you know what I'm saying, Like that's
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a it was just an interesting idea that came across
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: my head as we're talking now. It's something I did
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: want to ask you though after that, Uh, if you
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: could think of three, because I was gonna ask you,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: if you could give me three top three beginner mistakes
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that you think that ruins results. Mm, or if you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: one or two that'd be three. Yeah, okay, Or you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: get even there, to go by yourself mistakes you've made.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go with I'll go with my my top mistakes.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: There is this idea, there's this idea in alchemy that
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: when you're working within alchemical substance, like you have to
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: be pure, right like pure. But it's not like it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: not like the biblical Christian purity. It's like what it's
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: really talking about is purity of mind and mindset and intention.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Because the substances that you're working with, even when we're
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: making fluid condensers, they're extremely receptive to ideas and to energy.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So if you go in and you're making something it
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: takes maybe it takes you an hour to make, but
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: you're arguing with somebody while you're doing it, or you
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: have really angry, you're upset, you have really negative vibes. Well,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: all that stuff is going to infect your work that
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: you're doing right, and and it's it's going to ruin it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: And so there's like some ridiculousness when you read the
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: old alchemical text, there's like ridiculousness surrounding the idea of purity,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: just kind of like also when you read something like
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: the Key of Solomon right and tells you like this
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: implement can only be handled by a virgin child, or
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: like you have to take seven baths before you do
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: something like that, because like there's this idea of like
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: proper mindset going in. But with alchemy and fluid condensers,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: it's really just about not bringing in a bad vibe
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: that's then going to stay permanent with with the thing
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: that you're creating. So that was a big one for
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: me to understand. And then the unfortunate thing is you
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: don't really see the effects until much later because you're
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: making that you're making the thing, you're making the fluid condenser.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You're not using it right that second. You like you're
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: saving it. That's a spell ingredient for next week, next month,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: or next year, right, So you don't you don't necessarily
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: see that it's not working at first. I will keep
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: thinking of of misconceptions and miss mistakes that I have
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: made as we as we keep talking, But that was
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the first one that came to mind.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: M hm truth.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, actually I was going to ask you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: You said you you you had wiccaned practices. So did
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: those practices help you along this line?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, absolutely they did, because a lot of a
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: lot of magical practices they're really just trying to accomplish
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: the same thing, and they are framing things through a
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: slightly different lens and maybe a slightly different technique, but
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: we're trying to get to the same end result most
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: of the time, right. So through witchcraft and a British
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: traditional witchcraft in my practice, there I learn about corresponding systems,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: how the four elements work, how the planets work, how
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the zodiac works, how all of this applies to herbs
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: and crystals and metals, and how all of these things
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: are related. And this is exactly the type of correspondences
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: that I use in food condensers to create things.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: My next question is, because I know it's strictly alchemy,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: but do you see the conductors as a shortcut or
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: an assistance.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: No, I don't see them as a short cut. I
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: just think.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: That they are.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: They give your magic some oomph, and it's something you
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: can use as an ingredient that makes the thing that
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: you're doing all the more powerful. And outside of that,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: when you understand the thinking and the mental processes that
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: are going into the creation of these things, you can
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: really apply that to just about every act of magic
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: or transformation that you then do in the future outside
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of this type of practice.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, because I had to go one in the bathroom
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: real quick, I did and hear that question. I don't
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: think I'll be asking the same one, but I was
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: wondering it's almost at it sound like it was going
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in that area you mentioned like planetary stuff before. When
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you go to do your stuff, do you use the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: timing of the moon or the you use planetary hours
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: anything like that, because I'm thinking going back to like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Wicca or witchcraft or other stuff, sometimes they
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: do use that. So I was wondering, at least the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: moon cycle very big.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So my big thing is be aware of
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: what's working sympathetically for you, and be aware of what
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: working against you at any particular moment. You don't have
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: to use all of the different elements of timing because
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I need something now, not when the moon is full
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: in cancer during the hour of Mars on the day
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: of Saturn. That happens in two years, right like, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: need it now. So we can use those currents of
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: energy as best we can in any present moment. But
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: if something is especially set up in the universe to
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: like that is contrasting to the type of energy we're
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: trying to raise, we should be aware of that because
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: maybe that means it's better to wait, Maybe that means
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: we have to put some extra energy in it to
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: go against the current, or maybe it means we kind
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: of need to recalculate and redesign what we're doing. But
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: the best answer to that question is sometimes when it's convenient.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Gotcha, yes, as a ceremonial magician, not say that like
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you're not into that, But for me, I would have
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: mind fucked a shit out of that. I would have
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: had to do a less avantaging ritual at a certain time.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: You know planet area as well.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: That Yeah, No, I get I get that. I get that,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: and I can totally get into that headspace where I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: feel like I have to have all the things aligned
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: for me. But then at the same time, I do
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: like my magic to be more practical, and I get
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: down to kind of that that vibe, you know, And
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: if something works out and it's convenient, it's great. I'll
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: wait for it. If it's within the week or a
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and I can get that planetary alignment.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But if that's not gonna happen, like I said, you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: it's like being hungry. Are you gonna wait two weeks
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: to eat?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Are you just gonna do the best you can do
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: and and throw together that the meal that you can
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: take tonight?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: H Uh. You had mentioned that before about uh you
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: said the melia you have tonight. I was gonna make
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: a joke before saying, uh, why do you think Grandma's
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: food tastes so low? Because she makes it with love?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: You're going on about before about uh kind of influencing stuff,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you know, in a bad headspace or in a bad
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever things are going on. So uh, yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to repeat that. Uh.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: One thing I was, uh, fuck, I forgot the question
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask just now. It was something about
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: what you were saying with the timing, Oh yeah for
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: me though too. I also understand that sometimes it's never
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: happened to me, or at least not I guess maybe
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I just don't look at certain things for using magic.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Don't even though you could use it for anything. I've
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: never thought like, oh fuck, I gotta do a spell
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: right now. But I doant understand the value of being
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: able to do that, because if you're going to base
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: everything on the moon and then the planet's like you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: could be screwed. You be like, oh, well, I gotta
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: wait till three days from that. Anyway, you know what
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, If I want to do it the room
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: that way, so obviously I don't believe you'd do it
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: could help, I guess, But uh no, I understand being
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: able to do that, and I think there is value
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: in being able to do both. You know, hmm, what
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: is uh what does transforma should mean in your work?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Like psychology, psychological psychology, spirit, fate, environment or like all
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: of the above.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of aspects to it. I mean, psychologically,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: there are some really big factors and and just one
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: of the things. For whatever reason you're asking me this question, like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: confronting the shadows self is what's coming to my mind.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I think because probably because that is a theme that
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you can see through alchemy or alchemy viewed through psych
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: like young and psychology, and also in modern magical practices,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: and also just is something that like we need to
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: do as humans. There's this threat between all those things's
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: confronting the shadows self and a lot of improvement and
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: bettering of oneself I think involves a lot of that
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: type of work.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that answer, confronting oneself transformation. I definitely
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: think you will if you do something when you confront yourself. Yeah,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I think you'll get some transformation out of that for sure.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And I do again, I guess that would go back
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to you know again, not to put it in two
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: different categories, but that would be spiritual alchemy in a
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: sense for me. Yep, totally head list what is going on, sir?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You doing?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I thought it was.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It's it's quite all right, So it's quite all right.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well then yeah, you're actually early yeah technically for you, right,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: that's great.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Well, see another alchemist, dear, I just had a couple
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: questions about meditation and the tools of alchemy. Because I've
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: noticed that when you're going through the old alchemical literature,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: they always talk about how you're supposed to be meditating
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: on different images and icons to help you sort of
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: focus on the work. But what I've also found in
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: my own alchemical practice is that the tools themselves have
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: to be thought through, right, and that thinking through these
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: different stages and material transformations is part of the meditative
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: process when it comes to performing the actual art of alchemy.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Do you kind of have any thoughts on that?
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I would agree. I think we were
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: kind of talking a little bit about this earlier. Is
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: the mindset that needs to go behind all these different things,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: and the fact that alchemy is so symbolic of a practice,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: and we're taught we talk about it as a very
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: literal practice, i e. Turning lead into something that is
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: not lead, you know, but it's very symbolic and the
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: way that we incorporate those symbols is a lot of
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: it is through meditation or mindset and thinking through the
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: things that we're going to do.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think when people are because all the ancient
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: alchemists had to craft their own tools, so all of
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: these things had to be thought through thoroughly before they
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: ever got into the crafting process. So today we could
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: just you know, order stuff on Amazon and you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: put it all together. But I think that meditation process
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: of thinking things about one step at a time and
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: understanding how the transformations of the materials you're using are
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: going to occur, is you know, an essential part of
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: the process that I think a lot of people are
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: kind of overlooking for the quick successes. You know, it's
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: you have to understand how your materials are changing so
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: that you can change the sort of materials within yourself
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. Right, So I'm talking
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: about tools of alchemy, and I'll ask a question. See
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: what everybody's opinion is, what is the difference. Let's say
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: we've got our four tools of witchcraft, right that are
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: like the stereotypical tools that you see in the tarot cards,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: the wand the pensacle, the chalice, and the sword. Okay,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: so what separates the magical tool of the sword from another?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: So or let's let's make it to antheme. Okay, a knife.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: What separates the witch's magical knife from the knife in
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: your kitchen that you're going to prepare dinner with.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: The process, the methodology that you use it for. So
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of witches I've noticed have you know, wrapped
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: them up in special uh you know, sacred claws as
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: well as storing them and is sacred location within the house.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: And there's a symbolic methodology by which that they used
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: to unsheathe it. So all of these things come down
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: to the process and the symbols of the process, I believe.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Also, also they're consecrated for a specific purpose, Like you
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: have the athamine that stays on upon your author alter
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that's not allowed to be used for cutting. And then
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: you have the bowling which is used for cutting herbs
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that as well, and the kitchen knife
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: could be used for anything at that point.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: And so when you you say they're consecrated, when you
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: consecrate something at the core, like what is that process?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: What are you doing to I did that to all
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: my magical tools. I consecrated everything.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: You're making it. You're making it purpose for that specific
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: magical duty, whatever it's you signified it for doing, it's
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: what and whenever it's used, its supposed to be sacred.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: To that task. Yeah, and that's I think That's the
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: key word that I look for is making it sacred. Right,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: So regardless of yeah, maybe you wrap it in a
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: in a silk cloth, maybe you keep it in a
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: special bag, maybe you have wisp it through smoke and
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: fire and salt and water, but ultimately, in your mind,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: you're making it sacred and you're setting it aside for
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: a spiritual task. So when you talk about the tools
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: of alchemy and undergoing these processes and a methodology, like, yeah,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: we do have to keep that mindset in mind, because
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: in order for any of this to work or to
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: be effective, we have to keep the tools sacred in
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: our mind somehow. And that's a really weird thing to do.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And in order to be able to.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Do that, feel silly.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, have we have formed these like weird ritual things
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: we do, like wrapping something in silk or like putting
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: it in a special place or keeping it on an
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: altar because that helps our mind adjust to that spiritual
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: thing that we're trying to do.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember even doing that. Uh, I think I
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: even up. I guess I wasn't the only person of
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: mind fucking the idea. I think it was in a
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: David David Truemaker's Book of Living in to Lima. At
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: one point, I was like, well, if I go to
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: banish when I'm done, when my talisman's still in the circle,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: don't I just fuck it all up that way? You know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: as you suggest it supposedly, like you said, a black
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: silk silk cloth, it's rapid. Yeah, but uh yeah, that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that's interesting what you said. Like the dagger that I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: had Athamey would one cooled. I never use it except
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: just ritual work, and I did consecrate it, you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I wouldever use the Holy water or whatever, salt and
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: water and all that stuff. I'd put it over certain incense. Yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of cool here and other people talk
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: about that. That brings back memories it's been a while.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Well, it separates the sacred from the profane, right, so
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: you're making a contract with yourself and with the object.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: This is what it's going to be used for from
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: here on forever, and so it's it's it's a very
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: powerful thing if you if you put it in terms
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: of eternity.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you even like whenever I mean, talisman's like
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: like this house, sometimes I would do it just as
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: an example, let's say it was like a doing something
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: with Jupiter or Mercury. I'd probably like on the hour
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: of Mercury in the morning if I had the chance,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: depending on what my life was like, I would make
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the talisman and then I consecrated, and then probably like
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: on the hour of Mercury's later on on Thursday, I
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: would actually do it then, but I would make the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: talisman and I would consecrate that too like and I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't use it until leftwards. So hell, did you have
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: any other questions? Oh?
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Man, I got lots of them. So the wet path
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: versus the dry path? Which one have you sort of
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: explored in your own life, because I mean, I know
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of controversy has popped up when it comes
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: to alchemists about which is appropriate, which is you know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: not real? But which which do you prefer personally?
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't know if I'm familiar with that terminal,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: And you elucidate a little bit on that for me.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Right well, they talk about being able to take the
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: minerals and the substances from the earth as being the
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: sort of dry path, and then when you're talking about
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: the wet path, you're talking about different types of energies
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: imbuing into the water, different types of funguses and other
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: sources to sort of bring about the powder that to
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: us for the transformation. So the wet path is far
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: more about the ambient energies in the universe, whereas the
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: dry path is a little bit more physically based in
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: the minerals themselves and how to manipulate those minerals as
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: opposed to using the energetic sources. So have you read
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: about the girl or this sort of fungus that forms
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: on the full moon? Kind of interesting, I've found this
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: when they talk about the wet path, usually that's what
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: they're talking about, is this sort of full moon fungus
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: that only forms on the dew in the morning time
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: right before the sun rises, that you have to sort
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: of collect to sort of use your projection powder from
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: that source. But it's the idea that you're multiplying the
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: metals based upon these different materials used. And usually what
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: you see is with the dry path they're talking about
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: this red metal or this red mercury substance, and with
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: the dry path they're talking about something that is actually
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: imbued with the heavenly essences of the stars. I think
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: the two of them. If you can get to the
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: point where they can be useful, then they're both valid.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: But you know, usually.
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: Somebody has something to say about one or the others.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: So okay, I mean, like, I just I come at
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: it like from a much less literal standpoint, I think.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And as much as I love reading about different experiments
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: that people have done in different recipes and different like
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: crazy alchemical texts and stuff like that, I just I
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: find that hard to put into practice unless I am
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: taking a symbolic look at it. So I as far
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: as I go with like the literal and practical alchemy
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: would be making spijerics and herbal solutions, right, But any
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: further than that, I just I don't really have the
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: equipment to do something like that, or the time or
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: the or the energy. Like I just I feel like
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: my my purpose is to learn from it symbolically rather
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: than and that might you know, that might change next year,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: two years, five years, who knows. But right now I
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: feel like my purpose is more to apply the principles
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: to the things that are around me rather than too
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: I like, go try to make something into gold.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: I guess well, I would recommend that people at least
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: pursue the wet path because it's far cheaper, far less
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: I guess the truth of in your life, right, Yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: So basically you're just collecting do and then storing it
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: in oak barrels, preferably if that oak tree has been
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: struck by lightning.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: So the idea there is that the oak represents this
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: sort of kingly energy, and when you store it in
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: those barrels in a very dark location, you get this
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: filmy substance they call the gurr, right, which thing can
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: be used in multiplication of metals and ultimately transformation if
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: you inject that into the dry path. But I haven't
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: gotten to that point yet. So just the dew and
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: the awakening of the sun, I believe are so much
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: more powerful when it comes to conscious creation because our
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: minds connect with the dawn on such an elemental level
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: that it's really hard to put into words, Like, you know,
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: people don't go out there and view sunsets anymore, they
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: don't go out there and view sunrises anymore. But at
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: these points you get a lot of spiritual energies from
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: the changing of these environments based upon the light coming
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: or going from the sun. So I think there's a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: liminal effect that I think a lot of people have
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: sort of missed out on by not experiencing these different
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: times of day as powerful transformational elements. I mean, for me,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: it's like I found personally, the dawn is like the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: breaking of the orphic egg. Right, this is like the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: very first light of the universe. It's almost a reflection
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: of that. And so when you're out there experiencing that,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: you can kind of put yourself in the mindset of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: the primemordial, the primeval and actually feel the essence of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: creation itself. Whereas you know, our normal everyday life is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: about working and all the rest of the stuff. Very
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: few people get up at dawn anymore. But actually having
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: that experience and appreciating it for what it is, clearing
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: out the you know, the sleep from your mind and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: actually getting out there and doing it really starts to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: have a transformational effect if you do it on a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: consistent basis.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: So as the morning de supposed to kind of be
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: like the prima materia.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: In this case, yeah, but it has to specifically be
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: in the springtime, right like right around this time you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: have to collect the dew from the spring and the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: fall at the morning light, because the morning light actually
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: has an effect of damaging the body of the fungus
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: that collects in this dew, So you've got to collect
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: it before the light fully shows up. And it's got
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: to be on a full moon in those in those
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: time periods because it sort of collects that energy as well.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: So it's I think it's all about the liminality of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: these different states. You know, you've got the full moon,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: which is like the apex of the energy from the moon,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: and then you've got the dawn, which is another one
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: of these apex points coming from the sun. So all
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: of these things can be collected, and you know, following
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: that path of nature, you sort of can feel that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: resonance within yourself as it's happening, if that kind of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: makes sense.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I did have a question here from Howard after yesterday.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I can't ignore the guy. I don't know if everybody
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: wants to answer to this question, that's fine with me.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: What's the difference between consecrating an object and enchanting an object?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: It's about protection for me. I guess consecrating any thing
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: was like I guess kind of too like it was
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: almost banishing anything off of that I guess making it
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: pure and changing an object for me in magic, just
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: for me or whatever I was into. I've never really
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: heard the word of chanted use protection. That would be
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: more of an amulet. I don't know if you're looking
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: for that too, but yeah, that's what I got. I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if Judith or you want to answer that too,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure you have experience with this stuff.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Uh. For me, consecrating an object is for ritual purposes.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Enchanting an object is actually part of a spell if
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: you are actually conducting a spell. That's what I consider
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: enchanting an object. Is it about protection? Well, consecrating could
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: be due to protection. In my opinion, enchanting could be
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: part of a protection spell.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: That's my take on it, thank you.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I look at it like like the grooves on a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: record player, right, So when you're enchanting something, you're sort
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: of putting the grooves on it and making it for
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: that use specifically, so it's always for that thing. Whereas
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: consecration you can use that in multiple different you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: in chants. Right, So you're you've used this specifically for
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: that purpose. That's more like the needle, right. So the
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: consecration is the needle, and then the enchanting would be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: more like the grooves that you're putting into the record.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Oh it's what about you? You got an idea there?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, I mean I don't usually use the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: word enchanting my practice, but I think I think the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: closest parallel I would use is charging. We do charge things, right,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: So consecrating in my practice, is a very particular process,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: and it involves making something sacred and binding it to
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  Speaker 3: a purpose, and like those are those are two very
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: key factors in consecrating. So for me anyway, So like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: when you consecrate your tools, you bind your tools to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: the purpose of ritual to set them aside from the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: normal things. When I'm charging something, that's like a step lower.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I can charge anything. I could charge a crystal. I'm
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: just putting energy into it. I might charge my consecrated
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: magical tools as well, if I want to put a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: little bit more energy into them at any point. But
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: that idea, like if I charged the crystal, I'm not
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: necessarily saying that that crystal is sacred, just saying it
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: has energy to do something. But when I consecrate my tool,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that the tool is sacred in my mind,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: and if something happens to it and it loses that sacredness,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: then like there's there's a problem and the magic's not
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: going to work the way it should. I'm going to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: have to fix it.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: That was great with the charging. Thank you for arving
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: that in the you guys something you just go for it?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: What with talking about that?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: With that question, it brings up within your book for
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: the fluid condensers, would it be viewed as a consecration
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: or charging.
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  Speaker 3: For making the condenser? I mean it's it depends on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: what we're going to do, because I the way that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: I end up talking about fluid condensers is really like
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: that there are condensers all around us. Okay, So like
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: there's fluid condensers and our magical tools. There's fluid condensers
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: in the spell ingredients that we use during during a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: normal ritual. Right the talis men that you're talking about
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: making nick right, or that you were talking about previously
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: making those are those are maybe their planetary metals, right
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: like those are also fluid condensers are just things that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: conduct energy. So I actually forgot the question you just
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: asked me. I hope it was starting to answer it.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I was going somewhere with with the uh, yeah, you're cooking,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: you're cooking.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: It was basically asking is is it Is it like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: a charging but of the fluider.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So the reason I was I was trying
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: to explain that that there is just so big of
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: a variety of different things that we would apply condensers to.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: So depending on what type of object we're talking about
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: would determine whether I'm consecrating it or just charging it.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: But in general, I would say most of the time
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: you are just charging it. But the process of charging
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: is really really important to the condenser making process. And
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: it kind of goes back to what I was saying
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: earlier about at first believing that it was more of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: a physical process and that there wasn't a lot of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: energetic work that is required, but then finding out that
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: it's really entirely energetic. And so when you make the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: fluid condenser, and yeah, it feels like you're just boiling
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: herbs or something like that. It feels like you're doing
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: really simple physical process. But you have to take that
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: and you have to charge it with the type of
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: energy that you want it to conduct. For you and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: the type of things that you want it to represent symbolically,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: and that's that's a you know, that's a charging. I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: would say, not not so much of a consecration.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I've known a lot. They have the pelicans right
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: in the in the traditional magical work, but there's also
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: the I forgot the reverberator right, the reverberating flask which
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: has the two arms like this, So it's it's just
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: a bottle where they've got the top sealed off and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: you've got your material in there, and it's reverberating between
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: those two handles on the side or the two tubes
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: on the side, And basically it's the constant process of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: going through the different phases of matter, you know, the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: the solid, the liquid, and the vapor, and that constant
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: reverberation process that it's charging the entire material over and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: over again as it follows the same path over again.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: So it's it's there's a charging in itself. As you're
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: heating something up, you're putting energy into the system. Those
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: molecules are flying all over the place, becoming more charged,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: going up to the top, coming back down, and then
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: becoming infused again with the essences that you're trying to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: imbue into them. So it's it's like a physical manifestation
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: of the energetic or emotional body that you should be
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: putting into that system as well. So it goes along
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: with you know, what kind of energetic fire are you
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: putting into your material as it's going through the reverberation process.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Another question I do want to ask you real quick,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: I kind of like lift it out with the planetary stuff.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Do you ever apply deities? Do you have stuff?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: It'll yeah, but like that's very that's very specific to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: me and my practice, and I don't think like it
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: needs to be that way for everybody. And so I
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: think there are because we have this idea of gold,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: and gold is traditionally associated with the Sun. I think
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: that there are a lot of solar deities that can
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: be used here. Like I mean, personally for me, it's Apollo,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: but like it could be Low or Bridgid or Helios
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: or like any of these Sun related deities from any
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: pantheon at any point.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: And I just.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: If you incorporate the energy of deity for working as
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: you normally would like, you can just kind of take
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: it to another level. If that makes sense.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Personification. It allows I think, again, we've got all these
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: different names for the Sun god, but it's within those
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: specific personifications that you find that soul, right, And so
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: as you're calling out the names of these different gods,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: what you find is that you get a different essence
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: from the same source. And they call the gold sort
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: of the flesh of the gods. So it's the incorruptible,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: it's the thing that cannot be changed.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: So there are.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Essences and hypostasises that come from these different gods that
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people sort of over when
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: you know, we're mortals, we have to think as mortals,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: So how we connect to these different energies on what
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: hypostasis we choose that really gives us a different flavor,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: a different soul for the process that we're going through.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I do have a question about your book. Within your book,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: what information or what guys do you give us to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: delve into alchemy, Whether is it like beginners inter mediate
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: to deal with the fluid condensers.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: So there's a very I mean, it's one of the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: longer chapters in the book is on alchemy, and it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: kind of starts at the very beginning. It breaks down
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: the practice from what it was historically to how we
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: can apply it today. So it is geared at someone
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: who's only encounter with alchemy is going to be reading
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: that chapter of the book. Okay, I expect there to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: be no prerequisite knowledge, and if it's something that you
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: find is super interesting, then maybe you go read something
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: else on it. But it's it's just it's one chapter
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: and it just explains where it comes from and what
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: principles are involved in how we're going to use it
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: in terms of making fluid condensers.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: You want to ask you? Do you want to ask
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: you another question? Kind of I'm sure there's probably more
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: than one. Uh the you know, things that you'd like
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: people to take away from this book, But if someone
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: could you could take away one thing from your book,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: what would what would you like it to be?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: I like that question. I would like it to be
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: a different way of looking at everything around us, and
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: instead of just looking at things in this mundane physical way,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: to look at them for their energetic qualities and how
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: they could assist us in conducting different types of energies
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: that we're trying to put out into the universe.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Well, sense, hell, were you going to say something before
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I started. For some reason, I thought you might have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: leaned the forward to go talk my bad. I just
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure Judith you got something to say.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I do have a question, because when it comes to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: the fluid condenser, you talk about a lot of herbs.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Was Scott Cunningham a big influence with you going down
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: this path?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, Scott Cunningham's like Wicka for the solitary practitioner.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: It was probably one of the first books that I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: read because that I report that's like, that's like it's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: like it's seven seven out of ten people who practice
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: witchcraft today will tell you that, just like it's such
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: a popular book. So so yeah, but that's not really
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: ever my.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Go to.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Source for anything, if that, If that makes sense. It
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: was kind of a helpful introduction for me to get
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: started on this path, but it's not necessarily a place
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: that I returned to.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Often. Jude, did you have anything else? I was gonna
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: ask you another question? So I didn't realize. Yeah, I
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: didn't realize. Sorry about that.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, but I didn't mean to. I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: don't mean to downplay it. And I think Eric will
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: get this is like alchemy with the witch, the kitchen witch.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course it is.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Everything we do can be thought of as alchemy. It's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: about transformation and refinement and the raising of vibrations, and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: it is to take one thing and make it into
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: a new thing. And like I know this, like sorry
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to all the traditional alchemists out there who might be
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: offended by this statement, but like when you cook something
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: in the kitchen, like if you're doing it with intention,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: you have turned ingredients. You have you have taken a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: substance and turned it into a new substance of refined substance.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: You've done it with intention. Hopefully you know, like you said,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Grandma's food tastes better because she cooks with love. Hopefully
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: you made that food with love. You made it into
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: something else. That's alchemy.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: That was a question I did have for you because
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: I did bring up brewing and distilling, and I was
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: going to ask you as cooking and you could almost
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: go to the creation of teas being that way, and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: I could see that being with your background being in Wika,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: because I do have a little bit of a Wiccan background.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Everything we do is viewed as part of alchemy. We
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: weren't exactly taught. Okay, you're going to turn lead into gold,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: but you can transform anything into whatever end purpose you
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: If you think about the transitional phase when you're cooking, right,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: so you're changing one substance into something else, right. That
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: transitional phase makes it easier to imprint your intentions on
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: because now it's not only in printed from the stuff
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: that it came from before, it's to with what you
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: are putting into it. And it's all about that transitional phase.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, that you're you're able to put more
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: of your intention and all the rest of that stuff
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: into it is because you're making something new out of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: something else.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Technically along that line, you would view as a chef
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: as a high tier alchemist.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: In that view. Yeah, And just to kind of add
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: to that, you know, you're talking about that transition and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: this is why the purity of mind and intention was
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: so important, because you are imprinting onto the thing whatever
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: you are resonating with energetically. So, like to go with
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: with your example there of the chef being the head alchemist,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: the the chef with with bad energy is like a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: six chef, like who is infecting the food with some
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: sort of contagious virus or disease, right, So you don't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: want that.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: You know how many chefs are alcoholics too.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Fuck, every kitchen is kind of like an army, right,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Like when you're in the high end kitchens where you've
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: got this head chef and all these different people at
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: their stations doing their thing, they all have to be
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: sort of and that's a lot of pressure, you know,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, especially if it's a very good restaurant. So
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: it's gonna it's gonna take its toll on your own
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: energy if you're not putting something back into the system
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: and you're gonna fill that up with something else. So
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of that has to do with self care.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of times people are so devoted to their
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: their jobs and the things that they're doing that they're
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: not really even paying attention to what they're giving out
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: and what they're taking back.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. Uh, do anybody have
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: any of the questions to have one more before we
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: wrap it up for me? Good work? All right? Uh,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: what what do you think? So say bold condenser goal
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: that would be appropriate for a beginner, you know, protection, clarity, confidence,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, something along those lines or whatever.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: It's not necessarily about having one of those intentions specifically.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Right, you know I was just thrown out examples.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is about enhancing whatever intention you do have. So,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: like one of a really simple thing to do would
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: be to make a fluid condenser and then use that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: condenser when you anoint the petition a petition paper, right,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: So a petition paper being like a little piece of
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: parchment or something that you write an intention on and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: then you go and you burn. Like this is a
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: typical witchcraft thing that we do, right, We write shit
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: on paper and we light it on fire. You want
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: to enhance that a little bit. You take some fluid
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: condenser and you dab the corners of the petition paper
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: and and then you hold it and you charge it
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: with the intention. And the thought is that the fluid condenser,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: since it's so receptive to energy, it's going to take
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: that intention more so than just the paper by itself
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: would have. Plus it feels cooler.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: No, thank you, No, I like that. I like that.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that. Then I guess, Alessie,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: you know, where can people follow your work? And again
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to ask, when does fluid condensers drop. When
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: does it come out? I know it's for pre order now,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: It's pre order right now on Amazon and through Crosscrow.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: The official release date is March thirty first, so we're
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: just a few weeks away from the release date. And
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: if you are looking to catch me online, you can
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: go to my website, Ericarcadian dot com. You can go
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: to at Eric Arcadian on pretty much any social media.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: You can find my Patreon page if you want to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: connect with me that way, and you can also find
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: my show Music Myth and Magic, where I reach out
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: to other authors and members of the occult community and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: we have conversations kind of like this, lots of pretty
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: much if you type my name, you will find me.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: That's great, That's great. Definitely, I definitely want to get
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: you back on. There was a few other things that
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I've noticed, Yeah, and I did want I had a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: couple of questions that I wanted to ask you about
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: because I know you're into music, sound and stuff like
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: that or music, and I was like, that could be
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: a whole on the topic technically. Oh yeah, I was like,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: we get lost in that, so uh yeah, definitely. I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: had a really good time. Man, I really really did
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: great guests. I'm so happy that the book company sent
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: you to me, and this was fun, know, hell yeah,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: hell yeah, it definitely was. Before I wrap it up,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Judith the Loon, do you want to let everybody know
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: where they can find all your amazing work as well?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Eric, thank you, it was. It was nice to get
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: the viewpoint from a wiccand on alchemy. Granted, I have
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: to admit I was always shied away from it, but
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: you've actually intrigued me into actually possibly delving into that.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: So I probably will preorder your book and I could
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: be found once again on YouTube and x formerly known
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: as Twitter as the Loom. And thank you again Cardinal
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Nick for having me on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course, thank you for coming on Jared
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: and Heller's Giant. He made it. What is going on? Sir?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: You can find me on X and on Instagram also
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: on YouTube at the Headless Giant. Yeah, so you can
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: look at my old shows with the Alchemy mondays and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: I did a little bit of DMSO experiments on film
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: there so that you can check those out. And yeah,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: so usually tonight we're doing seven seven seven, but this
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: was a very special treats. So thank you for having
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: me on.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Oh no, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: If other people listening to this and they're into that stuff,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: go check out his his stuff over there. He did
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that for like what like probably about two months, right
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  Speaker 1: or a few months? Yep? Yeah nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy was telling me he was ordering and
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  Speaker 1: equipping and he had all this shit set up. Don't
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  Speaker 1: think I was making tea of some shit. That's about
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  Speaker 1: al Arros did, right, she made a cup of tea.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I didn't watch all of them,
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  Speaker 1: just being a bulbull stuff. Yeah, thank you for coming on, man,
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  Speaker 1: I really really appreciate it. Again, Eric, that was really
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  Speaker 1: a blast. I really enjoyed having you on man. I
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: really like your point of view on things. It was
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  Speaker 1: pretty interesting and I really hope to get you back on.
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  Speaker 1: But uh yeah again, thank you and thanked and thank
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: you book company for suggesting you had a blast. And
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: everybody in the chat that's what's up. I appreciate everybody
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: in there. Thank you for the questions. I always appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: If I catched the them, I will ask them, so
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  Speaker 1: don't feel don't feel bad asking questions. I just got
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  Speaker 1: to pay attention to the to the guests and the chat.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, cut me some slack. But until the
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  Speaker 1: next one, everybody be well later