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He Ran Into the Towers on 9/11—Then New York Turned on Its Heroes | Darin Kinder & Joe Imperatrice · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: Imagine going to work for a routine day of meetings,
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: a boring day, really. And then minutes later, you're running
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  Speaker 1: into the World Trade Center while thousands are desperately trying
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: to escape. That was Secret Service agent Darren Kinder on
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  Speaker 1: September 11, 2001. He felt the heat of the second
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  Speaker 1: plane exploding above him. Then he risked everything to save lives.
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  Speaker 1: But 25 years later, what happened to the city he
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  Speaker 1: and so many others fought to save? You were in
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  Speaker 1: lower Manhattan, 9-11. South Tower, were you in the South Tower?
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  Speaker 1: What was your job on that day? Why were you there?
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  Speaker 2: We were in the New York field office in 7
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  Speaker 2: World Trade. I was just there for a day of
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  Speaker 2: boring meetings, just finished working out. When, you know, at 0846,
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  Speaker 2: the world stopped turning, Joe. Being told to evacuate, we
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: dumped out onto the street right away. We had our
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  Speaker 2: first aid kits. We're ready to see what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm staring right up. I'm staring right across the street,
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  Speaker 2: 30 yards at the North Tower, the north side where
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  Speaker 2: that first plane hit. And at that point, me and
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  Speaker 2: my Secret Service brothers who were there on the scene,
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  Speaker 2: we went from special agent to first responder in the
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  Speaker 2: blink of an eye.
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  Speaker 1: I want to rewind it a little bit. It was
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful morning in September in New York City. The
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  Speaker 1: morning when we see these videos, these dastardly videos of
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  Speaker 1: these planes crashing into the towers was a glorious, beautiful morning.
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  Speaker 1: So you go, you get up, you probably got up
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  Speaker 1: way earlier than I would as a Secret Service guy.
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  Speaker 1: I tend to go to bed at 5.30, you probably
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  Speaker 1: get up at 5.30. And you get your workout on,
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  Speaker 1: get a little breakfast in, you get some coffee, going
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  Speaker 1: to be another routine day. I mean, what led up
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  Speaker 1: to that? Because even in your job, you don't expect
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  Speaker 1: somebody to attack the World Trade Center as a Secret
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  Speaker 1: Service agent. Maybe more so than I would have thought
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  Speaker 1: as a TV news anchor as I was at the
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  Speaker 1: time in Michigan. But when that happens, do you immediately
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  Speaker 1: know we're under attack? Do you think it's a drunk
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  Speaker 1: pilot accidentally veered off course? What goes through your mind
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  Speaker 1: as a trained mind when that goes down?
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good question. For me, 100% knew it
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  Speaker 2: was game day, knew something was going on. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I walk out, I see the flames pouring out of
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  Speaker 2: Tower One, and I didn't know, I didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: complete picture of the situation, but I knew we were
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  Speaker 2: under attack. Whether that's training, instincts, I'm a student of history, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that in 1993, they had a radical Islamic
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  Speaker 2: terrorist try to take down the trade center before with
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  Speaker 2: a truck bomb. And I know in court documents, they
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  Speaker 2: promised their brothers would try to do it again. So unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: when I arrived just a year earlier in that office,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this is not good. This is still
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  Speaker 2: a target. So we knew right away. I spent most
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  Speaker 2: of the day ignorant of the facts on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I did a lot of stupid things.
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  Speaker 2: But we were able to make some good trouble along
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  Speaker 2: the way and do a lot of good.
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  Speaker 1: It is Darren Kinder. Go and get his book called
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  Speaker 1: Bury Me in a Dirty Suit. He'll tell us why
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  Speaker 1: it's called that in a second. Surviving 9-11 and finding
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  Speaker 1: a bigger purpose. So as it's unfolding, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: network news people, they don't really know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Many of them had a live shot of the Twin
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  Speaker 1: Towers just as their background normally. And you see the
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  Speaker 1: planes or you see the smoke billowing from the first hit.
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  Speaker 1: And again, as a TV news anchor in Michigan, my
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  Speaker 1: wife woke me up and I said, oh, man, what
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  Speaker 1: was the guy drunk? It had to be a Cessna, right?
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  Speaker 1: And then we see the pictures and you can't make
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  Speaker 1: a hole in that building like that if it's not
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  Speaker 1: a gigantic vehicle, a gigantic apparatus. So we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: it and as we're all watching live, and I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if you were watching it live or you're just looking
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  Speaker 1: at it live from your vantage point. the second plane hits,
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  Speaker 1: and even though you knew that it was game on,
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  Speaker 1: that we were being attacked, that's when the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the world realized that's exactly what it was. Did you
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  Speaker 1: see that second plane hit in real life? Were you
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  Speaker 1: looking at it? Were you watching television coverage? What actions
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  Speaker 1: are you taking after the first plane hits before the
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  Speaker 1: second one does?
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  Speaker 2: I was literally less than a football field of distance
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  Speaker 2: from the South Tower. I was rendering first aid to
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  Speaker 2: a woman. I was bandaging her arm. She was badly
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  Speaker 2: burned from raining jet fuel.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: When that second plane came in, screamed right over my head,
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  Speaker 2: slams into the building. Joe, I could feel the heat
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  Speaker 2: on the back of my neck from the explosion. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It was like nothing. I still can't, when I watch
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  Speaker 2: video footage and I see the second one slam, I
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  Speaker 2: still get a little jar, a little jolt. And at
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  Speaker 2: that point, it was like, oh, my goodness, this day
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  Speaker 2: just can't get any worse. And, of course, it kept
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  Speaker 2: getting worse. And that's when, you know, me and two
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  Speaker 2: of my Secret Service brothers, we actually ran into the
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  Speaker 2: Trade Center, into the North Tower, and started trying to
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  Speaker 2: help people get out.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Is it just as vivid today as it was
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  Speaker 1: 25 years ago as it happened? Is that picture emblazoned?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I avoided all media on 9-11 for about
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  Speaker 2: 10 years. I didn't watch any of the video. It
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  Speaker 2: was just too... It's too much. But I'm a lot
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  Speaker 2: better with it now, of course. But being the 25th anniversary,
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  Speaker 2: it's all over the social media feeds. It's all over
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  Speaker 2: the news, as it should be. I will say this.
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  Speaker 3: It's harder.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little harder, a little more challenging for me
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  Speaker 2: to take it all in than I anticipated.
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  Speaker 1: It's Darren Kinder. Go to DarrenKinder.com. Get this book called
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  Speaker 1: Bury Me in a Dirty Suit. I'm guessing your suit
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  Speaker 1: got dirty that day. Is that what we're referring to? Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we were... we were climbing up and down
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  Speaker 2: the towers. We were at one point, myself and three
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  Speaker 2: other agents were, we took, we took fire equipment. We
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  Speaker 2: took a fire truck that, that was not damaged. And we,
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  Speaker 2: we hooked up a hose and we became this, became
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  Speaker 2: this amateur hour four man firefighting team. Because Joe, in
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  Speaker 2: that little church, and this was a church in Bessie
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  Speaker 2: street and that intersection at that time, we were the
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  Speaker 2: only option. Like people don't understand all 343 firefighters were gone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Anyone that was there that had already responded,
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  Speaker 2: they were gone.
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  Speaker 1: They were running up as people were running down. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I want people to understand that. My dad was a
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  Speaker 1: firefighter in the Air Force. My grandfather was the fire
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  Speaker 1: chief in Belmore, New York. So I come from a
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  Speaker 1: long line of civil servants. These people put life at risk,
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  Speaker 1: and many of them died. And people still to this
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  Speaker 1: day try to give civil servants a hard time. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it. They saved how many lives that takes?
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  Speaker 1: I think about it's between 25,000 and 50,000 people. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure exactly the number worked in those two towers. Luckily,
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  Speaker 1: it was early enough to where a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: weren't in there, and many were in the lower floors
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  Speaker 1: and were able to get out before they crumbled. But
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  Speaker 1: to even try to imagine, this is what you guys
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  Speaker 1: were doing too, and you don't have to call yourself
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  Speaker 1: a hero. I'll do it for you. It was heroic
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  Speaker 1: to stay there not knowing what those buildings were going
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  Speaker 1: to do. But really bring that home. The 343 that
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  Speaker 1: died did it intentionally, trying to save lives.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Al-Qaeda's own estimates, their minimum estimate was 10,000.
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  Speaker 2: 10,000 deaths. I mean, they were thoroughly disappointed with the
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  Speaker 2: final toll because of the men and women that answered
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  Speaker 2: the bell that ran to the guns. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: a really quick story. I was in the North Tower.
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  Speaker 2: I climbed. I was about on the 30th floor. I
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  Speaker 2: just helped carry a couple people out. I'm on the
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  Speaker 2: 30th floor, and I encountered a large group of New
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  Speaker 2: York City firefighters. And they were beaten and bloodied and haggard.
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  Speaker 2: They had been in the fight. I guess they had
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  Speaker 2: been pulled back to regroup or whatever. They're all drinking water.
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  Speaker 2: I had a brief conversation with them. I was looking
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  Speaker 2: for my Secret Service brothers. We had gotten separated.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I decided I was going to go back down.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to go back down 30 flights and
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  Speaker 2: go outside and look for my colleagues out there. And
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  Speaker 2: I heard this as I was walking out of the threshold.
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  Speaker 2: I heard their fire commander say something like this. Get
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  Speaker 2: your gear together, boys. We're going back up.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And the difference between them and me, I still didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that jet airliners had been used. I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: the totality of just how bad it was. They knew.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't know everything, but they knew the threat. And Joe,
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  Speaker 2: they were going back up anyways. And that's why I
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  Speaker 2: dedicated the book to the 422 first responders who died
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  Speaker 2: that day. I had no way of knowing for sure
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  Speaker 2: about that particular group. I only assume they're part of
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  Speaker 2: the 343 New York City firefighters who gave their last
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  Speaker 2: full measurement.
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable heroes. I mean, an unbelievable day of heroics of
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  Speaker 1: tragedy and all that go read this book. It's called
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  Speaker 1: bury me in a dirty suit, surviving nine 11 and
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  Speaker 1: finding a bigger purpose. We'll talk more about the bigger
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  Speaker 1: purpose in a second, but I'm going to ask you
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  Speaker 1: to put your security mind on for a second. What
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how those planes got anywhere near lower Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no idea how, how
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  Speaker 1: a plane got anywhere near the Pentagon. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I how any of that was allowed. Were we just
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  Speaker 1: way too complacent? Now, in retrospect, we know that the
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  Speaker 1: Clinton administration had gotten a warning that they might be
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  Speaker 1: trying to use planes. I know the CIA and the
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  Speaker 1: FBI had a wall between them. They weren't talking to
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  Speaker 1: each other. We know these things. That all came out
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  Speaker 1: in the wash. They now must share information so we're
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  Speaker 1: in a better place. But, Darren, can you make me understand,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm reasonably intelligent, how is it that a jet
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  Speaker 1: was able, a full jet, full-on 747 loaded up with fuel,
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  Speaker 1: loaded up with passengers, was able to leave the airport,
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  Speaker 1: turn around and hit the tower. And if the first
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  Speaker 1: one gets under the radar somehow, I still don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: How is it that another plane is able to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Is it that we didn't want to shoot it down?
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  Speaker 1: There are civilians on there. Maybe they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: kill them. In retrospect, 25 years later, I'm not pointing
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  Speaker 1: at Clinton or pointing at Bush or pointing at anybody.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm asking is a very simple question. How on
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  Speaker 1: earth Do we allow two jumbo jets to get that
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  Speaker 1: close and actually attack the largest metropolitan area in this country?
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  Speaker 2: A total lack of imagination as to the talent and
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  Speaker 2: the ability of your adversary. And the will, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: The will, too, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was intel out there that there was some
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  Speaker 2: flight training going on. In fact, Zacharias Moussaoui, the 20th Hydraker,
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  Speaker 2: he was grabbed just a month earlier in August of 2001.
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  Speaker 2: with suspicious activity with flight training and so forth. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all those dots were there. They were not being connected
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  Speaker 2: It's a pre 9-11 mindset, which I worry that we're
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  Speaker 2: slipping back into. That's another story. A pre 9-11 mindset.
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  Speaker 2: And you're looking, I think it's about 16 or 17
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  Speaker 2: minutes between the first impact and the second impact. And
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  Speaker 2: I think when you, today, when you look, listen to
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  Speaker 2: those radio calls, you listen to the FAA, you listen,
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: they're reaching out. They're saying, can we get some F-16s up?
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: There's some, there's some confusion there. One guy says, is
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  Speaker 2: this a drill? No, this is not a drill. Are
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: you sure it's not a drill? You know, and so
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  Speaker 2: whether that's a lack of training preparation, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But 16 or 17 minutes is in my mind. I
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  Speaker 2: know it seems like a long time. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's a long time. I think I think that's to
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  Speaker 2: get to get planes up in the air. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the idea now, of course, is that we're going to
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  Speaker 2: shoot down any any aircraft that weren't responding. That was unfathomable.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In that mindset. And today we wouldn't blink.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any truth that you know of, and maybe
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: this is outside the purview, but is there any truth,
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  Speaker 1: because I know Masawi was an idiot, and he basically
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: made it clear that he wanted to, didn't worry about
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  Speaker 1: landing or taking off. Did the other 19 say the
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  Speaker 1: same thing? There are rumors for the past quarter century
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  Speaker 1: that they all were like, yeah, we're more worried about
• 11:12
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know on that one. I would just
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  Speaker 2: be kind of guessing there. You know, I read a
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  Speaker 2: ton of books on it. Later in my career, I
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: would serve on the New York Joint Terrorism Task Force.
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  Speaker 2: So I was, you know, I read a lot of
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  Speaker 2: books and a lot of the literature in the intel reports.
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  Speaker 2: It's been quite a while on that though. But I
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  Speaker 2: don't think my inclination is, I don't think Miss Alley
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  Speaker 2: was the only one who wasn't interested in landing.
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  Speaker 1: Not asking you to go into a rabbit hole of conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: I just ask you a simple question. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: the official story we're getting is real? Is that the
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  Speaker 1: right thing that happened, the correct thing that happened that day?
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  Speaker 2: I'll put my cards on the table. I'm not, by default,
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  Speaker 2: the iOS that runs in the back of my mind
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  Speaker 2: is not a conspiracy theorist. No, I find it extremely
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  Speaker 2: hard to believe. extremely hard to believe that this nation
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  Speaker 2: or another friendly nation would intentionally wipe out 3,000 of
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  Speaker 2: their citizens, knowing that there's probably going to be more
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  Speaker 2: than 3,000 citizens. For me, there's just too many questions
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  Speaker 2: that I can't go and answer. Look, you got people
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  Speaker 2: who rail against government and say they're so inept. And
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  Speaker 2: the same people on another issue will say that this
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  Speaker 2: grand conspiracy that involved thousands and has been kept quiet
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  Speaker 2: for 25 years. Well, you can't have both. Government's either
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  Speaker 2: inept or they're able to pull off the heist of
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  Speaker 2: the century, the crime of the century. In 25 years,
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: in the last five or 10 years, we've glorified, we've
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  Speaker 2: really glorified the whistleblower, sometimes for good and sometimes for bad.
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  Speaker 2: And you're telling me no one's able to come forward
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  Speaker 2: and blow the whistle on it. I'm just not, you know, personally, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just not buying it. It's not a hill I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to die on. It doesn't upset me when people think,
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  Speaker 2: it used to upset me when people would think the other,
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  Speaker 2: but I certainly would not have gone on to serve
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  Speaker 2: a government for 25 years if I thought they were
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  Speaker 2: behind killing 3,000 of their own citizens.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: That's a very good point. It's Darren Kinder. Go and
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: get the book called Bury Me in a Dirty Suit.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: What is your bigger purpose?
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  Speaker 2: That's the beautiful thing, man. We're created by a creator
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  Speaker 2: with intentionality, on purpose, for a purpose. And that's the thing, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get to choose my purpose because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: create me. I'm not my own God. I am not
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  Speaker 2: the center of my life. And so as a Christian,
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  Speaker 2: I believe that purpose is assigned by the creator. And
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: there's a passage in Ephesians 2.10 that says we're masterpieces,
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  Speaker 2: we're unique, created to do His good work. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a part of this book is about pursuing that, how
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: to discern God's will, God's plan, His perfect plan for
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: your life, how to execute it the rest of your
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  Speaker 2: day so you can make some good trouble along the way. Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fond of saying that this world is full of problems,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we were created to be the solution
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  Speaker 2: for at least one. And so that's really how I
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  Speaker 2: want to spend the rest of my days is is
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  Speaker 2: helping people discern that and equipping them to get after
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: it and bring light into the dark places in our world.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of dark places. By
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the way, it's an incredible purpose. I try to spread
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: some light, at least some truth in what I do
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  Speaker 1: as well. But we are in a situation where New
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: York is now run by a guy who admits to
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: be a socialist. He's a guy who also was quoting
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Muhammad as he goes to the podium. You've got a
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  Speaker 1: governor of the state of New York, 25 years after 9-11,
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  Speaker 1: putting on a hijab, and she's a Catholic, to go
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: and speak at some place. Are you surprised by how
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: New York looks right now and the ability that not
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: just those who happen to be Islamists, I mean, there
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: are people that are of all religions that are in
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: the DSA and that are pushing this country to a
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: more socialist place, a less godly place, to be honest
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: with you. Are you surprised that 25 years later, this
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: is what it looks like? Had you asked me this
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: date 25 years ago, if this country would look like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: it looks today, I'd be a little surprised. I would
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: not give this as the answer. What are your thoughts?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I'm very surprised. You know, I think culturally, cultural... trends.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: If you look towards Europe, we're usually 10 or 15
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: years behind Europe. So if we look at Europe now,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I think that's, and we go in the same trajectory,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: that's where we're headed in the next 10 or 15 years.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: That's not where I want to be. That's not where
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you want to be. So that's very concerning. I was
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: very concerned with the report I just saw yesterday. You know,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: a man on the street kind of asking people in
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: New York City, Joe, I still can't wrap my head
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: around this, asking people in New York City if America
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: deserved 9-11. And he says, according to him, two-thirds, two-thirds
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of his respondents are We're in the affirmative.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: One way, shape, form or another that the United States
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: deserved the sucker punch that they received on September 11, 2001.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: To say that bothers me is me being really, really kind.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it really it really fires me up. And
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I don't want to. I still have hope, man. This thing,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: this thing called the Republic of the United States of America,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: 250 years, the constitutional founding. I still believe in it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a patriot till the end. Yes. But yeah, the
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: trend really concerns me.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Did we fail? And I don't mean you and me,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: but did we fail as a society by allowing this
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: horrible messaging to permeate? You got a guy like Hassan
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Piker out there actually campaigning for a U.S. Senate candidate
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: out of Michigan, literally saying we deserve 9-11. He's got
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: a picture behind him in his stupid live stream showing
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the towers coming down. You were standing right there. Have
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: we failed? Have we ceded our ability to properly teach
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the history of this country and why it's so great? Otherwise,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: why would the younger generations even buy this garbage?
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: We have ceded it. We can take it back, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: we have ceded it. It really bothers me. And it
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: started from a devotion, a devotion to the 11th commandment
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist. The 11th commandment being thou shalt be nice.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Thou shalt not offend anyone. Thou shalt not. And so
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: we just buried our head in the sand and refused
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: to push back on what was total nonsense, refused to
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: push back on lies, refused to push back on the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: rejection of reality. The fact that Somehow today I can
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: say 19 radical Islamic terrorists hijacked four planes and killed
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: 3,000 Americans. You and I know that's a fact. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: for many, that's offensive. I mean, so when I talk
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to younger groups, I talk all over the country. When
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I talk to younger groups, high school groups, college groups,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: it bothers me how much they have not been told
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and how America is in some way made all these
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: mistakes in the past. And this is the culmination of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: what we have to deal with now. And it's coming
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: back to bite us. It's just completely neglecting and ignoring
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the tremendous power and force for good that this nation
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: has been. Although imperfect, it's the best thing that's ever,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it's the best system that's ever blessed this world. And yeah,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: we've gotten away from that because it sounds, American exceptionalism
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: is something that I grew up with. It's the air
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I breathe. And now that's offensive and that's arrogant. It
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: really frustrates me.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Be offended because this is the reality.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're on the same team. I'm glad
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: that your voice is loud and that you're out there.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad you wrote this book, Bury Me in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a Dirty Suit. It's Darren Kinder, K-I-N-D-E-R, DarrenKinder.com. Go and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: check it out. Darren, thanks for the time today. Thanks
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for what you did 25 years ago. And let's talk
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: again very soon, my friend. Let's be honest. A lot
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of what comes out of Hollywood these days makes a
• 19:05
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• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a mockery of our history, our values, our faith. There's
• 19:12
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• 19:16
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• 19:20
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• 19:29
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• 19:30
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• 19:37
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• 19:50
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• 19:55
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• 20:02
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• 20:28
  Speaker 1: passing on. Darren Kinder just described a day when America
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: knew exactly who its heroes were. Police officers, firefighters, federal agents,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: ran towards death without asking who anyone voted for, what
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they looked like, or where they came from. New York
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: embraced them, but that didn't last. Retired NYPD Sergeant Joe Imperatrice,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: founder of Blue Lives Matter NYC, explains how the city
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: went from honoring the police to treating them like the enemy.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So what happens for an NYPD officer on a day
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: like that? Because a lot of people are ending a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: 24-hour shift. A lot of people are ending a 12-hour shift.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of people were saying, okay, there's a fire
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in the World Trade Center, but, you know, it's a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: big deal, but it isn't what it ended up turning
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: out to be. So what happens? Was your dad on duty?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Was he called to duty? Fill me in on that morning.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So my dad worked midnight, so he literally just got
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: home that morning. Now, the police commissioner has the authority
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to end vacations, to end regular days off, to have
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: people come in on their shifts that they normally wouldn't
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: work if there's a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, a
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: high-profile incident. And in this case, that's when the police
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: commissioner Bernie Kerrig, ordered everyone in from every agency because
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: it was something that we never saw before. And I
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: remember leaving high school. I was in New York High
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: School as a senior. My senior year, I just started.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It's the 11th of September. And I rush home and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: my dad's sitting on the couch, almost white. He literally
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: finishes midnight. He's staring at the TV and he can't
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: even believe what's happening. And he's getting ready to get
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: this call to come back in. And I think especially
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: for Staten Island, we have a lot of city workers,
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of parents that worked in and around the
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: towers that day. And think about this. You've got 14-year-olds, 13,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: 14-year-olds as freshmen up until 17, 18. You've got these
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: kids crying and sad and not knowing what's going on because, Joe,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you were old enough for it. The cell phones weren't working.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: So no one could get through to their loved ones
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: that day. So it was real tragic. And from New
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: York High School, we're at Miller Field, and you could
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: actually look across the field and you could see the
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: towers burning. So, you know, it's something that you never
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: want to be a part of, but it was an
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: incredible sight to be seen.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm from Copaig. I'm from Amityville. It's my hometown.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: But Copaig on the island is where I'm from. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize, from Staten Island, you could see the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Twin Towers clearly all day? Any day?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can even, yes.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: And even from now, certain spots, you can see the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Freedom Tower. So we're that close. We're just divided by
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: a body of water.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It is Joseph and Paratrice. Joe, bluelivesmatternyc.org is the website.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So your dad is sitting there. Obviously, he gets the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: call to go back in. Let me ask you about
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: September 10th. The day before 9-11, what was the feeling
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in the city for cops, for the blue? Because I've
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: always felt a great affinity for people who were police officers,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: always have. And I feel like the city loved police
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: officers back then. Maybe the criminals didn't, but now we
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: are 25 years later and you've got a big percentage
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: of the city that doesn't like cops. So the day
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: before 9-11, was there a good feeling between residents and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: police officers? Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Everyone loved the city of New York. Everyone
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: loved their city workers in general, no matter if you
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: were a Sandman being TSNY or FDNY or Port Authority
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: or NYPD. We were loved. You know, the police department,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: city agencies were loved. But moving forward, it definitely didn't
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: feel like today. That's for sure. And I wasn't even
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: on the police department at that point. And I can
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: tell you it didn't feel the same.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So your dad gets called back in. Is it just
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you don't see him for days? They're just working like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: crazy to try to save lives?
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happens is you don't do your regular
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: eight-hour tour. It's a minimum of 12 hours usually. If not,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: you're even doing more than that. And we have to remember,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: people came from all over– not just New York City,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: but all over the nation to come and help. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: no one really cared about what the clock looked like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: what time it was. It was, we're going to go there.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: We got people buried. We got people missing. We got
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: to get in there and we got to help. And,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: you know, it was a stressful time, right? Because I
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: think people didn't know what was going on. I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: remember going back to school for probably a week. No
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: one was taking attendance because we weren't worried about that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: We had so many people. I had people from my
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: elementary school, St. Charles, Carl Beeney. He was part of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Rescue 5. He was one of the firemen that died
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that day. I know his two daughters very, very well.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And I think there's many stories like that around the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: city you'd hear the same.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You know, Joe, what blows me away is that we
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: don't talk enough about the illnesses and those who died
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in the aftermath because they were breathing that toxic air
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: for days on end, weeks on end. I mean, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: day after, two days after, you found five or six
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: more people alive in the rubble. So there was still
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to save some lives. And I know what
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: police officers and firefighters do. You say they added 469
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: new names to the wall or to the officers lost
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in Ground Zero because of illnesses related to what happened
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that day? I didn't even know that. And I do
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the communication for a living. Is it that many?
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Think about this. 23 NYPD cops were killed that day,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: 37 Port Authority, 343 firemen. But if you look at
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: the numbers of the people suffering from 911 related illness,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: there are thousands. There's people still today, 25 years later,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: having to go and have medicine and worry about what
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: ailment they have and get checkups every three to six months.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And whether it's skin cancer or lung cancer or sleep apnea,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: or there's people that have had several procedures in their
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: nose for airway passage. You know, this is a problem
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: that people are still suffering from. And it's crazy, Joe,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: because a hundred thousand kids, a hundred million kids have
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: been born since 2001 that have no idea what that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: day was. Didn't have an idea of the patriotism after
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: or how dangerous and scared that day was for the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: entire nation. So 25 years later, I'm sitting here telling you,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I never thought we'd be in this situation where it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a lack of patriotism, especially after something like that. The
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: worst attack on American soil happened not too long ago.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Joseph Imperatrice, go and check him out at bluelivesmatternyc.org. He
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is the founder of Blue Lives Matter NYC. Your dad, Anthony,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: served for how many years? He was on the force
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: for a long time, right? He was.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: He actually went three quarters, uh, in the late December
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: of 2001, because he blew out his name. So he
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: was actually, uh, would have been going. It's pretty cool
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: because my swearing date, January 9th of 2006 would have
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: been his 20 year anniversary. So that's a pretty cool
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: thing to do. I didn't think he, had dreams of
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: me being a cop 20 years later. And for me
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to wear the same exact shield number, 24955, that he
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: wore on his chest was an honor. He always told me,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: he goes, Joey, he goes, you always respect that shield.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It sees everything you do. You do not disrespect or
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: raise the bar of anybody unless they do that to you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: You are never going to go out there and do
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: the wrong thing. Your job is to always do the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: right thing.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Is that common that a father and son can have
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the same shield or is that something special? How exactly
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: did you get the same shield number?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You know, back in the day, you had like the
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: family lineage, right? People, whether in the military or fire
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: department or police department, especially in the city of New York.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: That's something that we did. Unfortunately, 20 years later, after
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: my job and my career is over, that doesn't happen often.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: You have so many family members say, I don't want
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you to do that. I want you to be better
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: than me. I don't want you to deal with the nonsense,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: especially being a cop of going out there, trying to
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: do your job in this day and age and worried
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: that you might not make it home because you might
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: be in handcuffs, not because you got injured. And that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a problem. We need to go back to that. We
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: need to start having family come in and be proud
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and have that tradition and wear the same shields and
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: want to be just as good, if not better, than
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: the generation before. That's what we need to get back to.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Were you going to be a cop anyway, or were
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you pushed to doing it because of 9-11? I'm guessing
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: as a cop's son. My father was a firefighter in
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the Air Force. He was a firefighter in Copaig, New York.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: My grandfather was the fire chief in Belmore, New York. So,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, growing up, I wanted to be a firefighter.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: That's what we do. We become firefighters. It didn't end
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: up going that way. But were you always hoping to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: be a cop? Because you said your dad seemed like
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: he was surprised that you ended up being one.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a cop. My father was
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the one that told me, I don't want you doing it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: So I actually went to nursing school for three years.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: You know, I tried going off the charts and it
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: just wasn't for me. And watching Bernie Kerrig and watching
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani, I said, I want to be like them
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: one day. And thank God, years later, I got to
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: You know, consider them friends, meet them on several occasions,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: but I wanted to be the men they were. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: it was a benefit to me because my cousins that
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: were older than me all started becoming cops. So my
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: dad kind of let down his guard, and it was
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: kind of a cool thing to do after a while.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: But it's the best profession I could have chosen. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: could have never been behind a desk. These things that
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I saw, because Joe, think about this. When people call 911,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: it's not because there's unicorns and rainbows, right? They're having
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: a bad day. Even the criminals call 911. So a
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: lot of what you see is the worst of the worst,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: not the best of the best. But when you're able
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: to go out there, you're able to make a difference,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: even though it sounds cliché. And not only that, but
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: you meet the best people from around the world that
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: put that uniform on. I got to meet some very
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: special people along the way that I would have never
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: met if I didn't pick that profession.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: It is Joe and Paratrice. Go and check out bluelivesmatternyc.org.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier, the day after 9-11. I was
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a TV news anchor in Michigan. And I remember in Michigan,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: in California, in Oregon, in Florida, in Massachusetts, everybody was
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a New Yorker. Everybody. We were doing ad campaigns on
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: television that said, you know, showed some guy in a
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: cowboy hat and a big belt buckle in Texas going,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a New Yorker. We were galvanized as a country.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: We all, we were all for one, one for all.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We were patriotic. What started the shift, do you think,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: was it? Bloomberg didn't do it. I don't think he
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: acted like he was a Republican, but was he a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: pro-cop guy like Rudy was? Was it de Blasio? What
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: happened in New York City? Because as New York City went,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the rest of the country went. When New York City
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: stopped supporting its cops and the police were turning their
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: backs on people like de Blasio because they were disgusting,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is that what it was? What caused the divide that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: took us from galvanized, one for all, all for one,
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  Speaker 3: Michael Bloomberg was good. He carried on the tradition of
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  Speaker 3: what Rudy started. So for 12 years, we had a
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  Speaker 3: great pattern, a great person that supported the police. We
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  Speaker 3: had a great Kelly as police commissioner, great man, great leader.
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  Speaker 3: Then de Blasio comes in. And we saw what happened.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't overnight. It probably was three to four years
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  Speaker 3: into his first term. And then the wheels fell off
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  Speaker 3: in his second term, which really destroyed policing. He used
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  Speaker 3: his son, right, who was biracial to get him to
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  Speaker 3: win and become mayor of the city of New York.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: He got the stop question and possibly frisk to be
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  Speaker 3: looked at as a bad thing when in actuality in
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  Speaker 3: black and brown communities, it actually saved the lives of
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  Speaker 3: so many people. Do I think it was overutilized? Do
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  Speaker 3: I think that instead of being a tool, commanding officers
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  Speaker 3: used that as something to be gauged upon when they
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  Speaker 3: got in front of the higher-ups to be able to use? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was used incorrectly. But when used properly,
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  Speaker 3: it saved lives, and it was a blueprint for the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the nation to say, hey, this is how
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  Speaker 3: we're going to drive down crime. And that's something that
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  Speaker 3: should come back. And then you had Mayor Adams who,
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  Speaker 3: did he really do anything good or bad for the city?
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  Speaker 3: Not really, but he surrounded himself with pretty bad people, right?
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  Speaker 3: And that's why it's called the corrupt administration. And now
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  Speaker 3: you have Zoran Mandami, right, a guy that celebrates the
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  Speaker 3: FIFA World Cup at Rikers Island with criminals, right? Joe,
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  Speaker 3: it's so hard. In order to be held behind bars,
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  Speaker 3: you have to do serious stuff nowadays. You're not there
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  Speaker 3: for stealing candy bars. You're there for rape, robbery, burglary,
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  Speaker 3: gun charges, right? Murder. And you're going and having a
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  Speaker 3: meal with these criminals. What about the family members and
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  Speaker 3: the victims that had to see that? This is the change,
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  Speaker 3: the lack of leadership in the city of New York.
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  Speaker 3: For the first time, and it's going to be, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: I think 32 years, right? It's going to be 36
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  Speaker 3: years at the end of Zoran's first term. That we
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  Speaker 3: had all eyes in the city of New York saying
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  Speaker 3: we want to be New Yorkers. We love our first
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  Speaker 3: responders holding up signs wearing ball caps that said NYPD. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I want everyone around the nation to say the person
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  Speaker 3: in charge is actually doing what he said he's going
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  Speaker 3: to do. He's making us proud. He's making the city proud.
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  Speaker 3: And we want to go back to New York. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sick and tired of hearing people say I'm leaving. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: can't leave soon enough. There's no way that we're going
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  Speaker 3: to turn this around.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to something that you passed by
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  Speaker 1: very quickly, and I want to do it for those
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  Speaker 1: who are watching and listening. I was friends with Bernie Kerik.
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  Speaker 1: I'm friends with Rudy Giuliani. I had Bernie on many times,
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  Speaker 1: and I thanked him so much for explaining stop, question,
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  Speaker 1: and frisk, because everybody calls it stop and frisk, like
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  Speaker 1: you were stopping black people and frisking them. That didn't
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  Speaker 1: happen that way. It was a mini investigation. Stop, ask
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  Speaker 1: some questions. If there's something that doesn't make sense, then
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  Speaker 1: you can frisk and find out, and many times they
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  Speaker 1: found guns. They found knives. They found drugs. They got
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  Speaker 1: bad people off the street. But people have perverted that, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: They've been saying for years that they were targeting black
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  Speaker 1: people or Hispanics or fill in the blank other than
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  Speaker 1: white people. Look, if you were in the wrong neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: and you were walking down the street, you're a white
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  Speaker 1: Italian guy, you're getting stopped in question, too, which, again,
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  Speaker 1: made the city that much safer. Is that what they
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  Speaker 1: did to ruin the relationship between police and the residents?
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  Speaker 1: They said the police are always bad. They're always profiling.
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  Speaker 1: They're always looking to get a minority out. They're racist,
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of racists. We've got to defund them. We've
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  Speaker 1: got to get rid of them. Then they started turning
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  Speaker 1: their backs on the mayor. Is that what started it?
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  Speaker 1: Let's pick and see what's working really well. Act like
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  Speaker 1: it's a racist move, and then we can turn everybody
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  Speaker 1: against the cops because I can't believe it happened.
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  Speaker 3: That's the card that President Obama and Mayor de Blasio used, right?
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  Speaker 3: I guess you say crusade began with that. They made
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  Speaker 3: you think if you weren't a police officer that you
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: were just being stopped, that white cops are jumping out
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  Speaker 3: of cars and just putting their hands all over people.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't the truth. And we had to have guidelines
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  Speaker 3: on when we could actually do that. You couldn't be
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  Speaker 3: rogue because even back then you could get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: And even now it's even more. But what I feel
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  Speaker 3: is the police department. I don't want to say wasn't
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  Speaker 3: as open, but should have come out further and nipped
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  Speaker 3: it in the butt right then and there and said,
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  Speaker 3: this is exactly what we do to let the public know, right?
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  Speaker 3: This is how we do things. But they didn't do
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  Speaker 3: it at the time. And we really were driving down crime.
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  Speaker 3: We were saving lives. We were taking guns off the streets.
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  Speaker 3: And it was looking good. So if I could, right,
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  Speaker 3: if it was a chance to be in power one day,
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  Speaker 3: I would revisit that. I would go back. I would
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  Speaker 3: challenge the law. I would put a lawsuit through and
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  Speaker 3: see if we can use it once again. Because it
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  Speaker 3: saves people's lives. You see these young kids with bail reform.
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  Speaker 3: You've got 14- and 15-year-olds shooting each other in the street.
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  Speaker 3: You had a sergeant who's retired who had his son
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  Speaker 3: go into a bodega for a handball and got shot
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  Speaker 3: and killed in broad daylight. And there's no consequences. We
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  Speaker 3: can't have that. There's got to be consequences for actions.
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  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, we have a lack of that.
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  Speaker 1: It is Joe and Paratrice. Go and check out bluelivesmatternyc.org.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to ask you about Jessica Tisch. I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand if she's good or bad. And here's why I
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  Speaker 1: say that. Some people I trust say, well, she's great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad she's still there. Some people I trust say, uh-uh,
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  Speaker 1: she's not the one. I do know this. When Mamdani
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  Speaker 1: signed that proclamation about 9-11 the other day, he handed
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  Speaker 1: her the pen, and it must have been set up
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  Speaker 1: because she then hands the pen to a lawyer who
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  Speaker 1: actually defended Al-Qaeda people. So I'm confused about what her
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  Speaker 1: role is. Is she playing along because she wants to
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  Speaker 1: keep the role and she's actually pretty good at it,
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  Speaker 1: but she has to put on a smiley face around Mamdani?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think she's got to go and we
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  Speaker 1: should get somebody else in there?
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  Speaker 3: Let me break it down for you this way, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have any medical experience? Have you ever performed
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  Speaker 3: surgery ever in your life?
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  Speaker 1: Never.
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  Speaker 3: Would the hospital for special surgery in Manhattan call Joe
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Pogs up and say, Joe, we want you to be
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the head of our emergency department?
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  Speaker 1: If they did, they'd be uncracked. They should be drug
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  Speaker 1: tested if they did that, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, explain to me how.
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  Speaker 1: She was never a cop?
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  Speaker 3: Or, and she was not. in sanitation either. So explain
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  Speaker 3: to me how someone gets a job to be the
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  Speaker 3: commissioner of sanitation or the police department when you've never
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  Speaker 3: worn the uniform. You've never gone out there in 100
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  Speaker 3: degree heat or 30 degree heat. You've never had to
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  Speaker 3: go out there and had somebody curse you out and
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  Speaker 3: say that they're going to take your job. You didn't
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  Speaker 3: have to worry about CCRB or pick up a 100
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  Speaker 3: pound garbage pail, right? You didn't have to do none
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  Speaker 3: of that. We're putting people in place nowadays that check
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  Speaker 3: a box rather than earn the position. We just had,
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  Speaker 3: I just saw Martha McCallum, she had an interview with
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  Speaker 3: Jessica Tisch in the 9-11 museum and asked Jess, can
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  Speaker 3: you tell us about morale? You know, what is going
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: on with morale? And her answer was, Joe, and go
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: look it up. You know, I'd rather not talk about
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  Speaker 3: that because at the end of the day, police officers
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  Speaker 3: have different opinions. That was the response from the police
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  Speaker 3: commissioner of the city of New York. Morale is down.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it? Because they don't feel like they're backed.
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  Speaker 3: Number two is Jessica Tisch came in very heavy-handed, and
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  Speaker 3: people that would have gotten in trouble for little things
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  Speaker 3: had gotten a few days taken away. She's increasing the penalties.
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  Speaker 3: It appears that she's siding more with CCRB when her
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  Speaker 3: own officers. And once again, it comes to the experience
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  Speaker 3: of someone not doing it, someone not understanding it. Right.
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  Speaker 3: If you never did the job, you can't come out
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  Speaker 3: and relate to the person doing it. So there's problems.
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  Speaker 3: And Joe, once again, I'll even bring up another point.
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  Speaker 3: The people that are normally saying she's good are the
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  Speaker 3: people also that were never police. No one ever asked
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  Speaker 3: the cops in uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because they don't want to get in trouble. So you
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  Speaker 3: got to read between the lines there.
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  Speaker 1: LewLivesMatterNYC.org. I'm just about out of time, Joe, but do
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  Speaker 1: me a favor. Let the listeners and those watching know.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to run for mayor of New York?
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  Speaker 1: Have you made that decision?
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  Speaker 3: Joe, you know what it is, is seeing people like
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  Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani and Bernie Kerik so many years ago and
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  Speaker 3: seeing the path of leadership that's fallen off. I'm at
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: the point in my life there, if I can make
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  Speaker 3: a difference and bring leadership back, not only to the city,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: but we need to motivate the GOP around the nation.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: We can't rely on Donald Trump, as great as he
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  Speaker 3: may be. He will not always be there. So I
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  Speaker 3: will do the best I can to rally the troops,
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  Speaker 3: to make New York City proud again, and to actually
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  Speaker 3: get things done. We'll see what happens in the very
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  Speaker 3: near future.
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  Speaker 1: BlueLivesMatterNYC.org. Promise me you'll come back again soon, my man. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you so very much, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. That's it for this one. We're back
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  Speaker 1: after this in the Joe Pag Show. Stay here.