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Hearing All from the Men with Tayshia, Dean & Jared · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: on our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is Ashley and I have been on the line
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  Speaker 1: for just a few minutes to talk about the very
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  Speaker 1: very important stuff that happened at Mentel All. It was
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  Speaker 1: so juicy, and of course, like almost every episode this season,
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  Speaker 1: Luke stole the show, and not necessarily in a good way. Ben,
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  Speaker 1: I know there was stuff that you want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about with Luke in the very short amount of time
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  Speaker 1: we have, So I'm going to give this over to
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  Speaker 1: you right now. Yeah. You know, it's been interesting and
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  Speaker 1: as we've talked about this season, you know, the idea
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  Speaker 1: of sex and religion and of Luke, it's all been
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  Speaker 1: polarizing and talked about, and uh, you know, I came
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  Speaker 1: out a few weeks ago and kind of talked about
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  Speaker 1: just how maybe envious I was that um God was
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  Speaker 1: being spoken about so much, and you know, typically on
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  Speaker 1: this show, we don't see that, and we also don't
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  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to talk about some of these topics
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  Speaker 1: that are pretty taboo, like sex. And I really want to,
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  Speaker 1: first off, say thanks to the show for opening up
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  Speaker 1: the door for us talk about next is you know,
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  Speaker 1: I came out pretty strong against Luke a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: and then I hold to a lot of those opinions.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing that I felt really convicted of the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks is that I think my envy
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  Speaker 1: and my jealousy really kind of swayed my thought process
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  Speaker 1: on Luke. I never I still don't agree with how
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  Speaker 1: he communicated. I don't agree at the ftance he took
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  Speaker 1: towards Hannah at all. But I didn't, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: like I preached to take a second and listen to
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  Speaker 1: somebody's story, I dismissed his story right away because of
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  Speaker 1: how he was communicating, and it was unfair to him. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And I also, I want to say this, I've learned
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  Speaker 1: a lot about myself through this season. It's been a
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  Speaker 1: wild season and a lot of these topics hit me
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  Speaker 1: really personally. And I don't think Luke intentionally came onto
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  Speaker 1: the show to be a bad dude or to be
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  Speaker 1: the villain of the season. I think he got caught
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  Speaker 1: up in a mess and a storm that spit him
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  Speaker 1: out in a really ugly way. And it's not editing,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the show being the show, it's that this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. I think Luke was a really good example
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  Speaker 1: ash of how this show can come full steam on
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  Speaker 1: you really fast, and unless you're prepared for it, it
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  Speaker 1: can get ugly. And I think was flushed on him,
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  Speaker 1: and he just get smiling down and down down. He
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get out of it. He couldn't get out of it.
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  Speaker 1: And and i've i've I have. I felt a little
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  Speaker 1: bit guilty that I took, you know, what he was
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  Speaker 1: trying to say, and I assumed that he was trying
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  Speaker 1: to say it to hurt others. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's true or not. I don't know this guy.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I just got caught up in this
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  Speaker 1: whole season, just like most of the fans did, with
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  Speaker 1: getting angry, getting resentful, you know, putting up silos and
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  Speaker 1: not listening to others and what they're trying to say.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, like who am I to question somebody's story
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  Speaker 1: and their relationship with something bigger than themselves? Like who
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  Speaker 1: am I to question if he believes in God or not,
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  Speaker 1: or if he's a Christian or not, or if his
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  Speaker 1: beliefs are right or not. Like that's not my place,
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  Speaker 1: But my place is is to be a fan. And
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  Speaker 1: now I look back on this season and say, this
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  Speaker 1: was one of the most polarizing characters we have seen
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  Speaker 1: the whole time. And the doorbell rings in a moment
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  Speaker 1: of drama. Then I don't think you have anything to
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  Speaker 1: feel guilty about. You're a very I think you've articulate
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  Speaker 1: yourself completely. I'm surprised that you're saying that you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you were you were je you were that jealous
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  Speaker 1: of Luke having the religious platform that he was given.
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  Speaker 1: Can you like a little bit more? What's that? Can
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  Speaker 1: you like talk about that a little bit more? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I can't. This is the right word. No, I was
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  Speaker 1: because I was jealous because the show, and you know
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  Speaker 1: the show, and I've always had a good relationship, but
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  Speaker 1: I never got to talk about Jesus during my season,
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  Speaker 1: and I never got to fully explain my different thought
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  Speaker 1: processes and how I believe and why I believe in
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  Speaker 1: what I did, And so I did get jealous. I
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  Speaker 1: did get it was hard for me, And I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: jealous of Luke. It was mostly just being jealous that
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  Speaker 1: this conversation we all bear around somebody that's just new
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  Speaker 1: to this whole thing and just starting to experience God
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. I want to be the guy
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  Speaker 1: to thought like I want to have the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Jesus um so people can hear and know
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  Speaker 1: and instead I feel like Luke got thrown into this
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  Speaker 1: world without knowing what he was getting into. I also
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  Speaker 1: think this though, Ashley. And there's one thing that I
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  Speaker 1: still am confused about, because I've thought about this stuff
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  Speaker 1: a lot, is you know, the one thing with Luke
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  Speaker 1: I don't get yet, is he, if I remember right,
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  Speaker 1: he was the very first guy to take off his
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  Speaker 1: shirt and start massaging down Hannah. Right. Definitely forgot to
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  Speaker 1: mention that last week in all the hypocrisy, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for a guy that's gonna stand up and speak so
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  Speaker 1: strongly against Anna becoming physical study, I feel like he
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  Speaker 1: in a sense was almost leading her into that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know what he was trying to do
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  Speaker 1: by taking off the shirt and rubbing her down. There's
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  Speaker 1: only one thing that happens, at least in most people's
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  Speaker 1: world after they do that, and that is so Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just we've had stored sex so many times on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast in the past couple of weeks. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to come up with alternatives. Well, I get it,
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  Speaker 1: and like we talked about it a ton. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's been wild how their responses and I love it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, part of this podcast actually, maybe the only
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  Speaker 1: reason to do a podcast is to get people talking.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things that Luke and the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the show has done a great job at this
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  Speaker 1: year is it's gotten people talking about the idea of
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  Speaker 1: sex and that the idea of faith and the idea
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  Speaker 1: of relationships, and for that, like, I'm so thankful that
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  Speaker 1: we get to be in the middle of that. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's great. We've been given a couple of good seasons.
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  Speaker 1: We've been able to talk about like life in a
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  Speaker 1: bigger aspect than a lot of previous Bachelor seasons have been.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like I don't want to put a timetable
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  Speaker 1: on it, but like ever since we started the podcast
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  Speaker 1: was really when it started to bring up more like
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  Speaker 1: cultural topics, Ben, I I could talk about this for
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  Speaker 1: a while more with you. And I really do feel
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  Speaker 1: like you should have like your own podcast just called
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  Speaker 1: Sermons with Ben. I think like it really would be
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  Speaker 1: a great outlet for you and a really great thing
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  Speaker 1: for a lot of people out there to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: But you also, you have another project coming up, and
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  Speaker 1: you are um so busy these days. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you could be able to handle the Sermons with
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  Speaker 1: Ben podcast. Because you're going on a nationwide tour and
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  Speaker 1: you announced that yesterday. I'm mental all they announced you
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  Speaker 1: as being the host of this. Can you tell everybody
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  Speaker 1: what this is all about? I am so jacked. Actually, um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the host of The Bachelor live on
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  Speaker 1: stage show. What it is? It's a live show, uh,
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  Speaker 1: coming all throughout the US. We're stopping in a ton
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  Speaker 1: of different places, I mean a ton of different places,
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  Speaker 1: and we're showing up with really the idea that the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation is so good to this show, and the
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  Speaker 1: Bach Threat and Bachelor have been around for so long
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  Speaker 1: that for the first time ever, we're gonna show up
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  Speaker 1: to your hometown to hopefully give you a tape of
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  Speaker 1: what it's like to be on The Bachelor. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna give you a shot at finding love in your hometown.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, obviously drama is gonna come with it. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I promise you did. Though it's gonna be awesome. I
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  Speaker 1: was approached a couple of nights ago about Um. I
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  Speaker 1: was at a Rob Thomas concert and these girls were like,
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  Speaker 1: you guys need to go on tour. We want the
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  Speaker 1: almost on this podcast to go on tour. Well, now
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  Speaker 1: everybody can go and see Ben on tour sometime next year,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe I'll come and say hello, what
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those stops, Ashley, you better come say
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  Speaker 1: hello to a lot of those styles. Well, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you all right, Well, Ben, thanks for giving us
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  Speaker 1: your time. I know you're super busy this week. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you guys make sure to stay tuned for more information
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  Speaker 1: about the Bachelor Live tour. And Ben, thanks for coming
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  Speaker 1: on of course and talking about your passionate feelings towards Luke.
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  Speaker 1: You're the best. Ashley, thanks for asking about the tour.
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  Speaker 1: And also again, I just want to say I thought
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  Speaker 1: this season was great. Um. I thought the characters are polarizing,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought the topics we're really something to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And uh and hey, I hope once again, like we
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  Speaker 1: kind of said weeks ago, actually and we can't forget
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  Speaker 1: this ever in this podcast, I hope that the people
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  Speaker 1: that come on the show um come out in a
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  Speaker 1: better place than when they entered in. That's really the hope.
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  Speaker 1: And so I hope that for Luke and the rest
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  Speaker 1: of these these dudes who are moving on, and for
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  Speaker 1: Hannah as well. Actually, you're the best. We'll talk to
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  Speaker 1: you soon, all right, Thanks Ben, We'll see you next week.
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  Speaker 1: co host for the day. It's gonna be like more
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  Speaker 1: fifteen more times. Podcast That's fine. This is why we
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, guests on each other's podcasts. So we're
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  Speaker 1: all here today to talk about Mentel All. We all
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  Speaker 1: watched it here in our cabin and tahoe together. We
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of commentary while watching it, and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to try to remember all of that and tell
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  Speaker 1: you guys about that. Now. Let's start off at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the episode. Which I thought was the best
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  Speaker 1: part was when Luke decided that even though he was
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  Speaker 1: eliminated last week, that he was still going to join
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  Speaker 1: the other guys at the Rose ceremony. He added himself
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  Speaker 1: to the lineup, and it was the utmost ridiculous. I
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  Speaker 1: actually found those fifteen minutes more interesting than last week's
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  Speaker 1: big hand tal off. We was just really compelling because
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  Speaker 1: we've never seen anything like that before. He literally just
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  Speaker 1: walked into the Rose ceremony as if nothing happened, kind
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  Speaker 1: of like George Castanza and Seinfeld. He got fired on
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  Speaker 1: him Friday, came back Monday like nothing ever happened. That's
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  Speaker 1: funny because the guys have no idea that Chris Harrison
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  Speaker 1: didn't like tell him to go down the stairs like
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  Speaker 1: they were expecting for him to be there, so they
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  Speaker 1: didn't think twice. That was the best part because you're
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  Speaker 1: watching it, they're like, oh my god, they have no
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  Speaker 1: idea he's already been sent home. But it took me
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  Speaker 1: a second to realize that. Really, yes, I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was hilarious because actually, I I'm shocked at how calm
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  Speaker 1: Hannah was when she saw him there. Like that first
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  Speaker 1: moment where she saw him, it wasn't like, what the
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  Speaker 1: beep are you doing here? I would have stopped dead
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  Speaker 1: in my tracks. Yeah. Yeah, she kept the proposure really well.
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  Speaker 1: I also was surprised at Luke approached her right away.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense, but I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see it drug out a little bit. Just him
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  Speaker 1: standing there, just waiting to be handed around here. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, but for some reason I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: just just wait a little longer until you walk up
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  Speaker 1: to her, you know what I mean? I like it.
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  Speaker 1: And then he did go up to her, Yeah he did.
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  Speaker 1: He walked up to her, and the other guys are
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  Speaker 1: looking and being of course she's going to try to
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: steal more time, not even knowing that he's actually eliminated.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And then it was fun to watch them put the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: pieces together and be like, oh man, she sent him
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: home and he came back. This is how crazy he is.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to like um calling him crazy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I will say that the first twenty minutes of this
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: episode made Luke a little bit less Um. I couldn't
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: defend him anymore. I think last week, I even I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: kept repeating that I couldn't call him a dick, no
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: matter how much I wanted to. I was like, I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: think this guy is just so ignorant and over his
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: head that I don't even think that he's trying to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: create malice. But he just doesn't know any better. Um.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: But I think listening to him in the car on
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the way to that Rose ceremony and him being like,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I know, without a shadow of a doubt that Hannah
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: is still in love with me, and like, truly believe
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that there was a possibility for her to accept the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: ring and he had it was nuts. And that's where
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot defend I can't give this
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: guy even the sliver of the benefit of the doubt anymore, because,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in in my opinion, that whole scene was completely narcissistic.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Tastia said she doesn't like calling him that word. I don't, well,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I just feel like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that allows everybody else to call him that, and I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: just I don't like people names. I agree, I don't
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: like the term psychopath or crazy, parcissistic. I think he
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: was being sure, Yeah, I think when you um involve
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: a word like psychopath into the conversation when we're watching
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, The Bachelorette, I think it gets to a degree,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like Tastia said, that is absurd. Yeah, I think that
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: psychopath is not a word that I want to use
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: with him. But I think, like for the fact that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: he thought that he was so special and that he
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: couldn't even comprehend the idea that she thinks she'd be
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: better suited with another guy, made him see a little
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: bit self centered, beyond beyond the norm. He definitely came
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: off self centered, even in the last episode where she
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was sending him home and he wouldn't even get up,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even leave the chair. But if you think about it, there,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I've been like multiple times throughout the season that she
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: did send him home or could have sent him home,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and she continued to keep him there like she sent
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: him home and then he came back in her and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: she keeps allowing this behavior. So it's like why he
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: was encouraging that he's been validated before, you know what
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I means. So he's obviously coming from a place of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: her validating him and his feelings to play Devil's advocate here.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: This is my favorite thing to do. I agree that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: none of us are clinical psychologists to be able to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: go and say who is and who isn't a psychopath? Right, Yes,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but this dude is such an outlier to the most
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: extreme extent that we've seen in a long long time,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that level headed normal people can look at his actions
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and be like, those are pretty psychopathic. Look at it
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: or psychopath? Yeah, I think it's a good idea. I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: think so. And I also want to say, and I'm
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: trying to not say this in a mean way whatsoever,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: but I also think Luke p is in way over
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: his head and has maybe not in a place in
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: his life right now where he's ready for a situation
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like this, because I don't think that he has the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to call him unintelligent, but a lot
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of his behavior, even at the mental he took such
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: long pauses because he couldn't think of what to say.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think he couldn't think of it. I think
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he needed to be careful with his wording because his
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: words have been used agains him. Isn't the entire season,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And yes, Dean, do not shake your head right now
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: his words you were used against again at the mental
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: because everything he just like everyone disregarded it, doesn't regret anything.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: He thinks that even the hypocrisy which we all saw
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: with the virginity talk, because he's not a virgin. I understand,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I understand the born again part
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of it. But the hypocrisy to say that Hannah, who
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: admitted on the show last actually had sex with two
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: people before this, to use that against her, uh, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: then say that he didn't think it was wrong and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: he wasn't being hypocritical. I thought, let me present an
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: idea to the table place I think I just got.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I think I just dialed it in. Exactly what's wrong here?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Luke p said God came to him in the shower,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and if he didn't say that, we would have taken
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: his beliefs a little bit more seriously. Here's here's what
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I think is going on. I think he is a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: new Christian and he's still trying to understand a lot
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: about Christianity and how he fits into Christianity. And because
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of that, he doesn't fully understand it. He doesn't fully
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: understand how he fits into it, and so he's like
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: fumbling right in front of our eyes, and we're watching
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: him try and figure out exactly what he should be
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: doing and saying because of the of his faith, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna take him a little bit of time
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to really see how those two things fit together. Wait,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a second game, that was so brilliant, But don't you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: feel bad about Okay? So doesn't that make you feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: bad for him? Absolutely? Absolutely, He's trying to put he's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: trying to put circle into a square. He's trying to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: do the best he can, but he keeps failing, right,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that just comes from a lack of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: time in this environment, in his faith in Christianity, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: a lack of maybe intelligence. He's not being he's not
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: being fully himself because he's trying to fit the script
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that he's set forth for himself, which is the religious
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: path that he's taking. So maybe his lack of intelligence
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: is within the Christian faith and maybe you're right, he
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: just doesn't know but where he fits into it, starting
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to figure out his own definition of his Christianity, because
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like I think what
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: we've been seeing from him is just like he believes
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: word by word of the Bible, which makes him judge
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Hannah for what she's doing. Yeah, he doesn't like look
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: at any sort of like modern it's sort of loose
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: interpretation that many people do today. And I think that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people are like, you can't,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you can't do what you're doing well. And here's the
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: thing making religion look bad. Here's here's the thing too.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That kind of made me think of this was when
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I look back to my time, does that make me
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a necessary to look ba um? When I look back
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to my time after the Bachelorette and probably after Paradise
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: as well, I was trying. I kind of had this
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: idea that I was someone that I wasn't because of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like the way that you get edited and then you
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: want to buy into that edit a little bit. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: so there were times where I was like digging into
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: my own brain trying to figure out exactly the things
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to say. And I think that's why he was pausing
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for so long, was because he still hasn't really figured
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that out exactly who he is yet. But he's trying
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to live by it, Like you said, the Bible almost verbatim,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and he just doesn't maybe fully understand what that means
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for him yet, but I also think you took accountability
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: for that, and I think Luke's lack of accountability makes
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: me frustrated. I totally agree with you, Tasha, where I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: do feel bad to him, especially this episode and how
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: he was bullied by the rest of the guys. We
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: all talked about at this table, how ridiculous we thought
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and over the top the guys were towards him, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: then specifically Hannah at at Hannah at the end where
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind Hannah's entire um Hot Sea interview, Really
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it was a little over the top, but that's forgiven.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I really hated the last part where she said, um,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: where she said, is everybody tell her to talk about
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Luke p? Does everybody wants to move on to Luke Pe?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: And he also apologize for bringing him so far? And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think she needs to apologize. Literally ten minutes earlier,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: she was saying how she just needed to figure out
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that on her own, So why is she apologizing ten
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: minutes later that she Oh, I'm sorry I cut them
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: around so long. There's no need to apologize. And I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: just really hated when she said, is everybody tired of
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: talking about Luke p? And she said about four or
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: five times while the only person talking about luke P
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in that moment was was her. And I think it
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: sucks because Hannah kind of knows what it feels like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to be on the end of like getting hate and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: bullied by people, you know what I mean, And so
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: for her to actually, I don't know, everyone listens to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette and throw his name out there and be like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: are you tired of that? I'm so sorry for dragging
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: him along as long as we did. The end of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like luke p segment is over, Like she should know
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: better not do. Um Let's mention that he did leave
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that taping early because he had to make a wedding
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the next day, and they intentionally made it look like
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: he just couldn't handle it anymore, but he had a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: flight to catch I do agree with Sorry. Off topic
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of that, but Jared said earlier how he was frustrated
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that he refused to take accountability, and that was really
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: frustrating too. It's like one thing to make a lot
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of mistakes publicly on television, and then it's a whole
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: other thing to kind of sit there and be like, yeah,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I did that. I don't regret any of it. I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not upset about any of it. Deal with it kind
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of thing. All right, let's go back to the first
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes of the episode, where I thought he had
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: the most ridiculous behavior he's had all season, I think
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: last even though he denied that his tone was judgmental
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and condescending last week, at least we can say last
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: week he was speaking from what, like what he thought
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was a faith point of view. This week when he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: forced himself back to the Rose ceremony and then he
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not leaving until I get conclusion and
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: clarity or like, what was it closure that's in sane.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: He was like, you haven't gotten I haven't gotten closure.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I haven't got closure. Nobody in this franchise gets closure
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: until the tell all or after time passes. It just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: takes time to get your closure. Yeah, And I again,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he was just being very self absorbed the entire time
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: because everything, as hand To pointed out, was about him.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: He was speaking from his heart. His heart was on
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the line. Uh, he needed closure. Has that ever happened
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: before where someone doesn't get the rose and there's like
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay and I'm just gonna try and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: convince her to talk to me more, convince her to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: love me right, let her. She's let him come back again,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: but so why not do it to try it again?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: This all could have been This all could have been
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: avoided if she didn't get that fourth rose right before Hometown.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah she did. Was it was it? She was like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a sexual thing. No, I don't think she ever planned
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: on having sex with him. I'll be honest. I didn't
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: watch I didn't watch the Fantasy Sweet episode, but I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: watched the home Town episode, so I missed out on
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that a little bit. But it's just still it was
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: mind blowing. It was mind blowing, but an epic move.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: My my favorite moves of Hannah's so far was when
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: she moved the podium with the It was like a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: symbolistic movement to show she's moving on. You are not
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: part of this. I was a little disappointed in Tyler,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Pete and Jed for not like being like dude, like
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: they were like, do just get out of here? But
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: like some I feel like there could have been like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: another step to be taken. I don't know it's actually
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: appropriate for them to stand back and let Harrison and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: probably Polly Big Polly security. I saw him scooting the backs,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: definitely about to get involved. It's a tricky thing, right,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Like you're like, how involved do I am I allowed
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to get right now? Like how you don't want to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: be the guy starting any type of physical Well, if
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it escalated, what would you have done? Because Luke was
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: literally saying I'm not leaving, So the only way to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: get him out would have been to drag him out
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: unless Hannah was able to handle the situation. I just
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: think that that's that. Uh, that scene went on longer
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: than it needed. It was great television. I loved watching it,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but it went on longer than it should have. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: think I think someone they could have chopped three minutes out. Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But then I don't know, I I kind of it
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: did almost feel like this was a situation between Hannah
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and Luke, and I feel that if one or the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: other three guys really stepped here was like I'm going
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to handle this. I don't know. I felt like maybe
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I would have rolled him eyes a little bit, like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: let them just handle it and get this, like, let
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the show handle it, let hand to handle it. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: guess the frustrating thing about it is it's it was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: already handled and so it's like, yeah, like that's kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of where it is. But at the same time, it's
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: not like Luke ran into the road ceremony and like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: was running away from security and they couldn't catch him,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Like they let him back. He was in the car,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: but they let him back on the show. Let me
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: ask you, do you who do you think came up
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: with the idea? Do you think it was Luke or
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: do you think it was a production the combination. I'm
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: sure I think it's a commodation. But the fact again,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I think Luke lack self awareness because at that moment,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: even if they were like, hey, do you want to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: go back on, you should have been like, no, it's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that and if you really cared for her, if you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: cared for and also just kind of could read the situation.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You can't read situation. Let me ask you this, Jared.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: If if one of Ashley's exes came up one day
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Ashley, I miss you. I wanted
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: like let's talk about this, let's figure this out. What
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: would you like? What would you react? Different? Different? Absolutely,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I know, but like you would be like but if
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: it was like you'd be like, dude, get the hell
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: like you would almost physically remove him from them. Yes,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: but you also have to be understanding of the situation
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you're in. You're on the Bachelor where there are other
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: guys that she is dating, and you are one of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: those guys. You are not the guy, and as frustrating
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and hard as that can be, sometimes you kind of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: have to be aware of your surroundings. So you have
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: less rights to act like a boyfriend because you're not
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: technically a boyfriend yet. So if you guys were in
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the lineup with Tyler, Ce and Chad and Pete, you
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: would have said something, Dean. I mean, I say I
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: would have said something, but honestly, I probably done the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: exact same thing that they did. I as soon as
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: this such situation started escalating, you walk up and you're like, hey,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: let's all calm down, and then like let them hash
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it out. Because but how cool would it be if
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you just handled Well, you could tell, you know, it's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: really cool, you just want to fight, to be honest, Well,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you could tell that the with the way the camera
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was set up, they wanted it to be a Tyler
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: versus Luke p show because they had that awesome shot
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: of excuse me, Luke's left with Tyler over his on
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: his side, and they kept bringing Tyler in in focus
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and out of focus, and you could tell it is
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: like such like the hero versus the villain shot. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I loved that because it actually looked like Tyler was
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: annoyed on behalf of Hannah, like he truly cared and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to protect and be manly with Hannah. Of course,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen do we talk about this year
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: or did I just talk about this earlier? Do you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ever see final three contestants be such good friends? It's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: been a while. I think I like it. Yeah, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: think that they're all bonding over their disdain for Luke,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I would assume, but it's like they all seem like
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they're literally best friends. Do you like that? Yeah? I do.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: My season was Becca, Whitney and Caitlin and they were
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: all really tight. Yeah. On ours, it was Kaylin, me
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: who else, Cassidy in energy. These are friends, but they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: seem like they're legitimate, like they're rooting for each other.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Even Jed made a comment where he was like, I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: want I'm glad that it's down to three that I'm
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that Hannah should end up with it, Like he even
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: said that it sounded like he would be happy if
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: even she ended up with one of his two friends, right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: But there's something that's always stuck in the back of
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: my mind that actually Nick said, because obviously Nick wasn't
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: really that like within his friend group at the time
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: on both seasons of his bachelorette and he always kind
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of it was I don't want to put words in
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: his mouth, but it was something along the lines of,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I like these guys, but I'm not here
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: for them, And so that's always kind of stuck out
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to me. Where guys, if they're really close, it's like, well, yeah, guys,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you want to be friends, of course, but now do
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you like you should you should be rooting for anybody
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: else at this point. You should not be like, oh,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: well if Jed wins, great, Oh if Tyler wins, that's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: fine too. It's like, no, it's nice, I love this
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: girl in my heart like I want this girl. So
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: sometimes when they're too chilly, it makes me a little
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of a question. Then how about like that Wilson Phillips
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: song where they're like, I'm just happy that you found
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: your person. Like you know how people say that like
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: true love means that you just want that person to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: be happy even if they're not with that person. I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: don't personally believe this I could because I couldn't do it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Like I know myself, I'm not that good of a person.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: That's like a nice song to write, but in real
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: life that's a hard Deans nodding, though, what do you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: think you really could? Like you'd be happier if your
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: love moved on and was with somebody that that's like
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the origin of a lot of colloquialisms right where it's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: like if you love a flower, don't pick it because
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: then it dies sort of thing where it's like by
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: doing that, you're kind of taking away It's you're like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you're like cutting it off. It's at its head, right,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So like if the flower is Hannah, then you want
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that flower to bloom and blossom as much as it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: possibly can. And if you're the one picking it, then
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it's not going to like necessarily get there. As like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: but do you understand what I'm saying In a sense
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: where it's like if you really truly love it someone
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and you're purely selfless, that not many people are, if
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: any at all, Like you have to like work to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: achieve enlightenment to be there. But like I think at
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the root of the at the root of what love
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: really could be, I think that that there is an
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: argument to be made for that. I agree there's two sides.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: There's two sides. One is the normal human side, which
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is you shouldn't want her to end up with anybody
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: at this point. If you are some crazy Buddha, then sure.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: There's the other side, which Jed is reflecting, and Jed,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: we all know, is no Buddha. Well, anytime Jed speaks
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: on the show anymore, my eyes immediately rolled to the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: back of my fame. It is funny looking at it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: through the lens that we have now, where it's like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you kind of know how what's going to happen. But
• 33:46
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• 36:26
  Speaker 1: During the show, you said that it's a totally legitimate question,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: totally fair question to ask the girl, the lead, the bachelorette,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: if she's had sex with any of the other guys,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: can you please explain your feelings? I mean, whether it's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the bachelor who's being questioned by a bachelorette contestant, or
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a bachelorette being questioned by a bachelor contestant. I mean,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: if you're going into a fantasy suite literally the day
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: or two days after she just went into a fancy
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: suite as someone else. I don't think it's really outside
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the lines to ask, hey, did anything happen? Or I
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: mean right, I mean, let's let'sen let's put this back
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: into real life for a second. Say you knew someone
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: you were going into an overnight date with had just
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: been in an overnight date with another person two days prior.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to know what you're getting yourself into,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like just in case things you know open and why
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't anybody ask? Or do you think that they asked
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: beyond the closed doors of the fantasy suit. Yes, let's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: flip flop it real quick too. I think is it
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I think it almost looks less bad for a girl
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: to ask a bachelor that question. Yeah, it's definitely the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: double standard, but yes, I just wanted to point that out. Yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it definitely is. Um Okay, I think Luke was in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: every I mean the way he phrased it and the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: whole thing about I'm going to leave if you did
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have something all the work. We're not talking about the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Luke specific situation, because Luke had plenty of connotations and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: judgment around the way you said it. But in general,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: we've never really seen a bachelor bachelorette be questioned about
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the other fantasy suites. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it's really that crazy. You don't have to keep it
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: private just because you're about to go into an overnight
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: date with this person, or maybe it has been asked
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and we just haven't seen it be here before. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: think the smart move is to ask in the fantasy suite,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and that's why we haven't seen it. I think that's
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: what Jared is trying to say, right. So, it's like,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that conversation has been had three percent of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the time every single time. I guess it of us
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: have been well you maybe I don't know if you
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: have the cults or not. You maybe speak about this,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: did you it was required? It was obviously the first
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: one because he was also a virgin, so how to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: worry about that? But also I was the first person
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: to go into the fantasy suite, so maybe if I
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: was the second or the third, I would have asked that,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: did you know that you were the first person? Because
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that at that point you you really
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: sure where the order of the dates are. I mean,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I guess in my head I kind of figured it out,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: but I think with colton's a little different because you
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: kind of it's a foregone conclusion he's not going to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But I will say that I did think about, like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: if I would have sex with them. First, I wouldn't
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: want to have sex with him second, you know what
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I mean. And it's also you're you know, you're falling
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in love with this person, and so I don't think
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it's Listen, you can't be like, please, don't have sex
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with anybody. That's their choice. But if you're if you are,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just if you're the second person on a fantacy sweet night,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's really crazy to be like, hey, listen,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: did you sleep with that person? Because if things escalate
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with us tonight. You know, it's just even asked questions
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: about like I don't know. I know everybody's tested before
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the show, but then you get into like some kind
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of muddy details that you really just want to know
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: as a human being. Okay, I love you. I don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: think you would have asked Caitlin and well that's who.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Of course I would have. You really would have asked
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Caitlin if somebody before well, god, that was four years
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I think that back then you wouldn't have. I think
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that Jared today definitely would have asked. But I think
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: then you were like I mean, it was also twenty
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: six and I look back on that time and I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: thought I was young then, and I do sometimes I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: look back and I think I was too young to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: be on the show. You're so we're both be on. Yeah,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, becoming the person I am now. Yeah,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been ready today
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you would say something. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not like, I don't not think. I don't think
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: it's outrageous to ask. But I think that when you
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: were younger, I don't think you would have. I think
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: you would be thought that, like you worship heir and
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you couldn't get you couldn't ruffle her any fathers with that?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Moving on? Wait, no, you know what I mean, Like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you definitely looked at her like she was the bachelorette. Yes,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: we all do, right, I looked at Rachel the same
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: way you looked at Colton the same way the deans like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but anyway, point is like you look
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: at them and you're like, wow, you know that's the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: person I'm striving to be with. So there's already you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a celebrity thing saw on TV. Yeah, that's weird that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Were you not affected by that at all? Did you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: not view at least called me first met him as
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: sometimes celebrity did. Yeah, the same thing with me. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: was really nervous around him. I thought he was just
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, you're like, oh my god, this
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: guy's on TV. I'm a nobody. I think the conclusion
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: is that it's okay to ask, But just the way
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he handled himself afterwards maybe wasn't the best. Of course. No,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it was just when it was brought up tonight where
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I forget how it was put. But somebody pretty much
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: said like kind of felt like out of bounds to ask.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, I disagree anyway. Can we talk about
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: bullying for a second, because I know we're all talking
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: about that. I don't know if anybody wants to step
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: in on that, but my first reaction, Uh, listen, these
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: guys and the girls put themselves on the show. We
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: are open to scrutiny. We're open to judgment. But if
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: you're in that mentell audience, you're open to scrutiny as well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: because you're the one signing that you're gonna be on
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the show. And the fact that they're clapping and just
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and cringing at Luke p laughing at him, that I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: hated it was bullying, Like you need to be held
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: accountable too, Like, don't laugh at him. That's still human
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: being up there. They definitely are making making it feel
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: like he's like a character in a movie. That you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: can hate a character, don't you can't hate it, like, well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: try not to a person. There was So there's this
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: experiment a long time ago. I don't remember the name
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of it right every time I can't remember. I think
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it was monkeys or something. That experiment experimenting on, they
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: would make a sound like some sound like a bell.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Every time they ring the bell, they would give the
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: monkey a mint or something right, and then so eventually
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: they would ring the bell and there would be no mint,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and the monkey would freak out. Essentially, what's happening is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: these people, the contestants specifically talk about Luke, and they
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: get basically lifted up for it. Everyone's like, that's awesome,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: talk about Luke. Yes, and so then everyone else is like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to it about Luke because everyone
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: loves it when people talk to it about Luke. Because
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they're going to get it. Was like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that guy who went up to them, what was his
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: name even I don't even know what his name was. No,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was Devon Dustin dust No, it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't Dustin. It was Devon. I like Dustin. I think
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: we've all liked Dustin. It was like, who was this
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: guy from backstage? Too? Yeah? And he's like, I'm so poorn.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: My my opinion is so valuable right now I need
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to come up and express it. Did he go down?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: He went home really early on the thing? Anything? He
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't know anything, Yeah, but I just like audience and
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: audience at home know that you are. Do you think
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that you're all innocent in this, but you're not participating
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: in bullying? To be honest with you, it's just like
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: writing a mean comment on somebody's photo. Yeah, you know
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and everyone liking it. It's the same.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: It's the same damn thing. Yeah, it's frustrating. No one's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: free of reproach, right, And so it's like if you're
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: giving ship about someone even though you have a lot
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of ship going on as well, it's like the people
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that are bullying are really the ones that are dealing
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: with a lot of their own stuff too, And doesn't
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: make it right, No, not at all, that's what I'm saying.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: But it's just like it's like, make sure your house
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: is clean before you go and criticize other people's dirty
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: house this kind of thing. You know what exactly? The
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: thing is their house will never be clean because my
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: house isn't clean, Your house isn't clean. Nobody's is right.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And so like the things that we say reactionary, we're
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: watching the show, it's keep it in the context of
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: your own living room wherever you watch the show. Why
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: do people feel a necessity to say I'm so emotional
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and emotionally attached to this show that I'm gonna go
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: on social media and type out exactly my thoughts and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: put a comment under somebody. It's like, just just say it,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: and the confines your your own home, because we all
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: say things that are exaggerated or dramatic and just keep
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it at that. It just mind. One of the bullying
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: tactics from the guys was to use that word psychopath,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to bring that back to this um
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the definition of psychopath and Babe, a picture of Anakin
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Skywalker goes along with this. It's it's uh traditionally a
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and bold, disinhibited and egotistical traits. It's sometimes considered phenomena
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: us with sociopathy. And I were going to say that
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that's not Luke. I mean, I mean to say that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: he's definitely um he I think I don't know, impaired empathy.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like he may have empathy. What's impaired? I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: guess the fact I put a question mark, it's just
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: an antisocial behavior. He certainly doesn't get along with the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: other guys. I also think he was isolated. He was isolated.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I mean he got you know, he was going to
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: like push himself further and further from them because he
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: tried with them, but they would not let them in.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: He would couldn't let him in try after that. So
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was at these stupid stories. So
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I read a book a while ago. I read a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: book a while ago. I read I read every once
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in a while. It's a book called The Psychopath Test
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: by Ron Bronson. If you haven't read it, check it out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It's a fantastic book. Why did you have to read it?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I just thought on the bookshelf and I was curious.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So in the book, he lists off. He goes, there,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: these are twenty two things that attribute to being a psychopath.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It's basically a checklist. You go down the list, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: if you hit thirteen of them, you're considered a psychopath.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: You go through all of them, every single one you
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: go through, you're like, oh crap, Like I kind of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: fit in that. Oh crap, that's kind of me. And
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: at the very end, he goes and by the way,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: if you're asking yourself if you might be a psychopath.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You're not a psychopath, because psychopaths don't do that. Luke
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: p didn't really seem to express much remorse at the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: mental law, and I think that if he were to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: go through that twenty to check checklist, he might not
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: have ever asked himself that question. I mean, who knows.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But then again, you might be right with your theory earlier,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: where he's just kind of this lost guy trying to
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: figure out who he is and where he fits within
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: this Christian faith, and he's he's you know what he is.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like the guy who reads a political
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: headline and then immediately just regurgitates everything he just read
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: in a three paragraph article and he's like, no, no, no,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm right because I this and that and that, And
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you're like, you just read that on Twitter and you're
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: using bulleton points to bulleton points to try to defend yourself.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And so that was a little frustrating to watch because
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I was really hoping Luke would come on, and you
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: always want everybody wants a redemption story, right, So I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: think I think we're all rooting for Luke Pe to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: come on and be like, hey, I screwed up. You know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I made a mess of things, and he did that
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to an extent, But then he kept doubling down on
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: everything he said during the show, and it's like, but
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: then again, like we talked about, I think the guys
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: piled on Hannah piled on towards the end um, and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I think we've all been you know, we all a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: lot of Hannah um. But I just didn't like that
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: one moment. I think the funniest part is that he
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: continues to be like, I was misunderstood when I said, um,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: if you had sex with anybody in the dantasy suits,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I would remove myself from this. He was like, I
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: was misunderstood. No, dude, you said that statement. How can
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: that be missen? How can that be interpreted any other way?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: That's that Actually, I'm glad you brought that up, because
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: that frustrated me a lot too. He said he always
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: was blaming the other person for not understanding what he
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: said when he should just say I misspoke or maybe
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't like say the right thing. He never took
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: accountability for that, and that was really frustrating. Like I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: said that I said the wrong thing, would not you misunderstood?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Because then that's kind of like alleviating himself of the blame.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Perfect point. Yes, such a perfect point. Does anybody have
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: anything else to say about Luke? Before we move on?
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: One thing that I just really again disliked. Connor seems
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like a very nice guy. Hated how he decided out
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: of nowhere to tell Luke f you come man, Yeah
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: he didn't high school. I think that pulls back down
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to getting positive attention for that, like he's just like,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mine while the top kind of thing,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, but then then
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that goes back to the audience just willy nilly flapping
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: anything bad said about Luke. P go, guys. It's like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: can we just all settle down and be adults for
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: two minutes or however long filming is. We don't see
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Luke in the preview for Paradise, and um, Dean, we
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: don't see you either, talking about yeah you're you're not
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the original You're not in the original castle. I got
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: scared for a second. So you guys are in Paradise.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: We don't see Luke in Paradise in the preview, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: is there any opinions on why you think he's not there?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I think he probably I think he was probably advised
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: that it wouldn't help his case unless he was a
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: completely changed man, which is by the mental he's not.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: He's maybe changing shave. But I feel like if you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: would have apologized, would we all think that he's a
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: changed man? I feel like we would have just pulled
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: our eyes if he humbled himself, if you presented himself
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: and like and I'm sorry, like totally, it just nobody would. Well,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it depends on his It depends on everything, right, because
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: whenever somebody apologizes to you, I think all of us
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: as people can really tell whether it's genuine or not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Um And so I think it was all how he
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: handled himself and presented himself and not saying he should
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: have just come and been like I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but at least been you know, understanding of yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I know, I get it. You know, I said some
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: bad things. I misspoken. Uh, you know, I regret some things,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: and I was being hypocritical at times. And you know,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else was perfect, but you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: just something along the lines. But to titious point, I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: will say that we've seen so many villains on one
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: season become love the next season. So I think it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: would have been possible. All right, let's move on to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: other things, but first let's take a break for our sponsors. Alright.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Other hot seats on this episode included John Paul Jones,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: everybody's favorite guy, who got such little screen time. But
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I think we'll play a big role in Paradise. Can
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: we confirm? I mean, he does look at the he's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: all over the map. He's definitely. That's definitely why he
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: had a hot seat. It wasn't for anything that he
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: did on Hannessy's like the lead in Almost It's Shadow.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: It seems like we're going to see different side him
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: because he's very emotional at the end, he was crying,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: he got in someone's face. Yeah, I don't think we
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: saw any of that on his season. We saw that,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: what's up, dude, sick? Let's get it. He was made
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: for Paradise. Oh yeah, absolutely? Who else had a hot seat? Mike?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Mike who? I think that they are like trying to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: make the Bachelor, or at least trying to plant the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: idea of him being the bachelor and some people's heads.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: But I just I don't think it's going to happen.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I was kind of honest a couple of weeks ago
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: when I did meet Mike, albeit very briefly, I didn't
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: get the warmest vibes from him. He didn't come across
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in person the way he did on DV. That's all
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say about that, because truly I had
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I exchanged maybe two minutes of conversation with the guy.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: How do you guys think Mike came off on at all?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I was really impressed by honestly on the mental law. Yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: he's are super articulate, he speaks well. Um. I didn't
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like when he called out Luke P though, at the
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: same time, because he called him what a misogynist and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: he said that his future wife is going to be
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: a prisoner of his hated and it's like, can we
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: just all like, does everybody have to just vocalize the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: worst things that they think about Luke P? Like can
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we just move past You're not dealing with him anymore? Yeah,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and just yeah, It's like if it didn't have set
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to your life, did I are you like and see
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: if you ended up with her, it would still be
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: like it would be different because you're like, you really
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: hurt and you gave my fiance the worst time exactly,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: but didn't know I really liked I can't remember exactly
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: what Dylan said, but it was it was a throwaway
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: line almost, but he it was a throwaway line because
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he just said one thing and he said something like, hey,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Luke p, I'm rooting for you. Um, but like, you know,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you just have a lot of work to do something
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: like that. And it was so simple, and it was like,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: but that's all that needed said instead of Connor saying
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: f you and Mike being like your future is going
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to be a prisoner and like, and then what's his
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: name going up to the hot seat, and then the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: other guy I don't remember, who's Brent. I don't know
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: what his name is, Grant, Grant, thank you? Who's I
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: don't know what the hell he was doing, but he
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: was flammering all over the place. Um. And then I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: actually liked Mateo. When Matteo went to Mateo for a
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: hot second, was like, hey, let's just let's all move on.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't hear much from Garrett, who was quite a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: heated character this season. It is pretty interesting, do we
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: know we haven't seen Garrett in any Paradise promodes Nope,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: So maybe they just weren't teeing him up for anything. Yeah,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that's interesting though, because he was you know, usually it's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: really dumb. But the further you are on the left
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: of the hot seat, the more prone you are on
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: that lower level like where Mike was sitting. You know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: usually those first like three or four like big characters. Um,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm assuming Garrett would be in Paradise
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: on a white wouldn't piece, So you know, yeah, it's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: weird that he just because Yeah, it's weird. It's weird.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, who else did we see in Paradise at
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: should we should comment on? Demi? Definitely refers to her,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: definitely refers to being in love with a woman her. Yeah,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they handle that as the show.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it might be the first
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: of its kind. There's some sort of fist fight that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: looks like involves Jordan's I don't know who the other
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: party is, can see the face, but that looks pretty
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: intense Jordan's back. We know that the last time things
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: got physical in Paradise was with Chad and he got
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: immediately exit out of the process. He got drunk night
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: one and he took good No, he not Sara Harron.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: He took a swing at Daniel. I think it was
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: more playful than anything Canadian Daniel. But it was like
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: an open, open hand swing. Wasn't like a fist. He
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: just like went like that. Try to like spot his
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: hand away. Um, but that was, you know, good enough
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: for him to get kicked off the show. Apparently so.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And then he had some issues with Sarah Hearn where
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: he called her some bad things he later apologized for. Yeah,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I apologize, but that's the whole reason I would never
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: be friends with him or have any interest in like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: being nice to him, because he seems like a real jerk.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Who else is in Paradise? Uh? Yeah, I mean the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: trailer look good. You guys look like you're gonna be
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: very involved. The mustache you crying, tatious, a little upset.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: The mustache don't have as much of an appearance. I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: think the mustache is gonna have plenty. It had its
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: own Um, I really didn't know. But why wasn't I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: more of a central focus? And this is what myself, Tassia.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: We saw you making out with Blake saw Hannah g
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and Blake a lot. Everybody seemed to want to ship
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: them Going into this season. We saw Demi accusing Blake
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: of making his rounds, so to speak. I'm curious how
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that's going to play out too. I can't wait for
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: y'all to see that. Oh interesting. Katie was very upset
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: about not being able to help who she fell in
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: love with. Oh, I can't help, I can't help, she said.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I don't remember her saying that. She did say that, Okay,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: all right. Interesting. It's funny because, like, you know, we
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: kind of know, yeah, but like maybe it's Katie and Demi.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I know she could be referring to somebody else.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: You're like, hey, you know, super upset, I can't help
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: who I love. There's nothing wrong with that baby. Yeah, Okay, guys,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: well I think they broke it down pretty well. I mean,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: we didn't talk about many people beyond Luke Key, but
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that honestly was the Luke p Show. Again. How did
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: we How did we think of Hannah? How do you
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: think she did? Sorry, Kaa, how do you think Handah
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: did on her mental? Um? I thought she looks stunning?
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Number one? She looked? Um, I thought, I don't know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, the end of it
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: kind of rebbed me the wrong way. I just really
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: didn't think she needed nailed to luke p anymore. Yeah,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I thought she was great until that one last line.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: But that touch she handles herself well. I really liked
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: how she was talking about baggage and she started pointing
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: around at all the guys and she was like, I've
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: something like I've got baggage, You've got baggage, You've got baggage.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: We all got bagged. What was it? Oh, we all
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: live in sin you said every day? Do. I love
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: the way she handled herself during the first twenty minutes.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It was just like, um, you know, sequel to last
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: week's episode, I thought was pretty allen, So I agree,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And you said something last week, um to me. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: think off the podcast and it's funny how everybody before
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the season thought that Hannah was not going to be
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: able to articulate herself. That was the big concern coming in.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: And I think we can all agree that she's the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: most the most expressive and communicative and like smart whipped,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, like that quick witted, always has a comeback woman.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: You compare that to remember first one with Colton in
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the hot That's amazing. She's growing up right in front
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: of our eyes. It's almost like it's not even the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: same person. I was gonna make you comments before we
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: jumped into the Hannah b thing. Do you think we're
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: kind of being hypocritical of we give Hannah b crap
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: for always talking about Luke P and then here we
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: are talking about Luke P. Of course we are. But
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the reason we're talking about it is because Hannah talked
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: about it's a slippery slope, the very slippery self. And honestly,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I wasn't bothered about Hannah's um discussion with Luke P
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: until that last second where it was just again catering
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to the audience. It was like, I'm tired of talking
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Luke P. And she looked at Chris Harrison was like,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: are you tired? And then she look at the guy,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: and then she looked at the audiences like is everybody tired?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Like she was Oprah giving stuff away, like and you
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: get a Luke and everybody gets yeah. It's like, oh God,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: can we the poor guy? Like move on? Do you
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: think this is the last we ever see of Luke P?
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Quite possibly? Yeah, I think so, I think it might be.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think he dug his grave and now he's
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: gonna lie in and just be dead. He should just
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: go high. There's a couple of people in the sertise
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: that like, just go hide. Kelsey Poe, the villain on
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: my season, she moved to France. You're kidding. Yeah, she
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: moved to France, like right after the show. And I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: remember even in between the filming and Women Tell All,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: she had already gone and gotten a boyfriend in Paris.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: So like sometimes like it forces you to really as sad.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: That is sad, but you feel like you have to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: run and move because people are like I think she
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: loved She just loved France. She felt more shooted there
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and and anybody who's writing bad things on social media
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: needs to just get a life and move on. But everything,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like as soon as the show ends. Every while we
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: were watching, I was like, the kind of Kelsey post situation,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Like maybe he's just moved to the country. Instagram. She
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: definitely deleted Instagram. Why would he have Instagram? Keep Instagram?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Don't make other people delete your Instagram. Like, listen, Luke
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: p has some issues and he needs to do some
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: soul searching. But at the same time the idea that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: where anybody to tell somebody else to delete their Instagram
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: because of trolls. I don't want to be that person
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: to be like, no, just to stay away because the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: internet is going to be too harsh for you, Like no,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: screw those people, You're fine. I mean, you know, with
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: having an Instagram that makes sense. I don't want to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want the trolls to win and otate because
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: if we tell Lupete to delete his Instagram, those trolls
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: who are saying terrible things win. It's true, and you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: guys would be shocked at the amount of kind comments
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: he has on his Instagram. I started it out last week. Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I meant to bring that up. I wonder, um, if
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that's kind of why he feels vindicated and the things
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't says is because he's still is surrounded
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: by positivity sometimes and I think that I'm religiously an
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: apt I don't know much, but I think if that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that stems from the radical side of Christianity,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: where they're like, I see what he's doing and it's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the path of God. And because of that, I want
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: to build him up. Definitely saw comments about that on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: this Instagram last week. That's kind of what I'm wondering.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I can see Luke Pie coming back in like two
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: to three years. You know what if he does come
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: back and he's like, uh, he's he's kind of a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: new man so to speak, wants to, you know, give
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it another go of. So he goes to Paradise, you know,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: and by that time people have kind of forgotten and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, he was kind of a little
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: weird on his season. The thing that kind of stinks
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: for him now and for any villain coming off the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: season that decides not to go almost immediately into Paradise,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: is now he's going to be tied to the shitty
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: behavior he's had forever exactly. No one's gonna have any
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: other um exposure to him, our idea of him. So
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, that's just now who he is publicly. Privately
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: maybe entirely different, but publicly that's who he is. That's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: really sad. Last question for you guys, how do you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: foresee next week unfolding? I'm excited is getting eliminated? Who's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: getting eliminated? Well, so next week is what is is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: next week saw the final two part, so I think
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, eliminate one of the guys go
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: into those two dates. Then it will be the tell
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: all will be the you know, finale, finale, after the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Final Rose, after the final is next week the final week.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I think the biggest question here is
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: with just three left, one of them being Jed, if
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: she does end up with Jed, the tell all is
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: not tell all? What was it called? After the Final
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Rose is going to be such a so captivating, like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that's our ultimate cliffhanger. Well, everything, you know, everything I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: see that comes out of Jed's mouth right now, I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: just immediately scrutinized and probably look way into because like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: in the back of my mind, I'm like, you have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: a girlfriend. You have a girlfriend back home. We've talked
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: plenty about it. Yeah, well cases articles written written about it.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: You're right, Oh, there was this. There was a part
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: in the episode that we just watched where the audience
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: applauded for Jed, and I don't think that they actually
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: did applaud for Jed. I think they took a clip
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: of them applauding elsewhere and put it in there to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Jed's Yeah, why would you Because here's the thing, and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I've said it before. Jed has not said anything. He
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: has not come out and tried to defend himself. And
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: if he's getting advice to not say anything, I don't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: think it's good advice because now, in my head, the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: story is two months old. I believe the story now
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: because I haven't heard anything else. I creeped on his
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Instagram the other day and it says something along the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: lines of just protecting his family, protecting my family. I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: can't speak on it now, but I will when I can.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I'm probably telling you he could not do it, Jared.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: They were for not being able to send him after
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the Final Rose and regardless of whether or not he's
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: with Hannah, Yeah, he's gonna be on that reunion show. Yeah,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be. He's on to Find a Rose because
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: it's mental all. Next week's final and there's three guys, Young, Peter, Tyler,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: and Jed say he comes on. He says it's not true. Well,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you going to believe him? I don't know.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I mean I need like proof, like now, like from
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: people legit receipts. Yeah, I have facts to brack it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: up because at this point we're all kind of believing
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: what's been out what's out there exactly Like he said,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: either way, I'm glued to my seat. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It's super interesting us better drama. Um yeah, should be interesting.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: But who do we think she's going to end up with? Tyler? See,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the biggest Tyler c stand in the world. I
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: am too. I love how he's proven me wrong because
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, I was like, I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: can't trust him, and now I'm like, I give him
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: all of my trust. I like, I like, what do
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: you think of Pete with the beard? I like, guys,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I don't like it at all. It's so innocent in
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: baby face. He should just embrace it. I liked it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I like Luke Pete with the beard. I like Pete
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  Speaker 1: without a beard. Oh I think I like Luke without
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the beard. Pete was unpredictable, Like he's going to fly
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  Speaker 1: me to an article and maybe leave me. Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: he'll take me back home. I don't know, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: he'll marry You want to I want to roll the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: dice with that kind of Pete. You know what I mean? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Pete should um talk about the article
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: that came about. I don't think it's worth mentioning he
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  Speaker 1: broke up with her. Whether or not he broke up
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  Speaker 1: with her to go on this show or not, it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to me. All that matters is that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: he did do the right thing by breaking up with her. Well,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I think the timing also needs to be addressed, because
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the guy, because the guy got liminated night one, broke
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: up with his girlfriend too, technically, but he just did
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: it the day before day before he left. You know,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: he broke up with her December December. Yeah, that's three
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: months before filming starts. Yeah, so that's totally fine. I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: agree he started to be um, you know, probably started
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: casting though, like really started casting. Somebody asked last week,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: they're like nominated, What does nominated mean? That was one
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: of the emails that we've gotten. I don't think we
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: answered it clearly. Being nominated means like your friend or
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: your family members signed you up for the show, and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you didn't go and apply for yourself nominated And for
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: my timeline, just for a reference, I was I first
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: talked to a producer of February twelve, and then I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: was on the show March fourteenth, ast of different timelines
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: for everyone. I was from my sending in the application
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: in to me being on the show was thirteen months.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: It's very different parents was I only even know how
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: long was yours? I got a call in October six months,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: five months about Tasia. How long was your process? Um?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I got a phone call, but I actually said I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't interested, and I changed my mind about like three
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: weeks before yourself or no, I was actually nominated, So
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: three weeks. I would consider the three week timeline because
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: did you go through all the medical and all that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff before and then you said no? Did
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you say? I said no? From the second I got
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: the phone call, I said thank you. And then so
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: once you said yes, I'll do it. Within those three weeks,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: you did everything you need to do and then you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: left her filming. Correct. Yeah, see the same thing four
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: weeks for me, It's possible. I'm not saying that Peter
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: is right. I'm just saying that thirteen months, not six months,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: four weeks, three weeks, or it's all over the place.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: The only thing I would hold against Peter a little
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: bit is when we all get the phone call At first,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: we're all asked, are you single? So if he was,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: if you'd get the phone call in January, then who
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: cares that? But if he did get the phone call
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: before he broke up with a girl and he was like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: oh no, I'm still saying going cool, then that's I mean,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: it's a minischool thing because obviously I'm hoping he didn't
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: dump the person who's meant to be with I Also,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I mean like I'm keeping him credit too by saying
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: like you probably hopefully wouldn't be dumping your soul mate,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Like if you were that in love and pictured her
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: being your wife, you'd be like, no, screw the show.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I don't need that, right. I don't think it's a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: fun experience, But I don't think it's that cool of
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to be like I'm going to dump my girlfriend,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: going to dump someone in your love with Totally. I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: just think that it's a cool Like I said, it's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: a cool experience, but it's not like the coolest thing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the furthest extreme to make
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: this happen, because you could go home night one, yeah,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, all right, well that was fun
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: and life moves on, you know where other people. We're
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: all sitting here doing a freaking podcast. You know, we're
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: very lucky and blessed hashtag blessed. All right, guys, thank
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you so much for joining me, and thanks for Ben
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: for his little pop in there. Um. We will see
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: you guys next week. Next week is a huge week,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the finale. It's our bread and butter and we can't
• 1:08:10
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• 1:08:14
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• 1:08:19
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