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S6 E27 _ Sarah Hartsfield_ Black Widow _ Part 1_ The Alarm in Beach City _ TCWT Podcast · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to True Crime and Wine Time. I'm Terry and
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mama. Tonight we are uncorking the truth why one
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  Speaker 1: of the darkest crimes and breaking it down together with you.
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  Speaker 1: For three months, and I am going to warn you
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, wow, there's a lot there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very pumped. I'm very excited. Thank you. It's a
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  Speaker 2: great day. It's been a long day, but a great day.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Next theme is, but I think sir carnivals, something circus
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  Speaker 2: or card something like those. Yes, now, also right along
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  Speaker 2: with the right along, right along red.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, just wait, I actually Mary looked into that last
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  Speaker 2: That's not terrible. That is I don't I do.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. Shall reach out to anybody and figure anything
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  Speaker 2: Out's true. Now, right before we get into this case,
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  Speaker 1: The parents are fine, It's all fine. Nobody's getting divorced people.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. So that's my
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  Speaker 2: we'll be covering tonight, because I'm excited about this because one,
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  Speaker 2: I had actually never heard of this case. It's pretty recent,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So tonight we're going to be covering the case
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  Speaker 1: of Sarah Hartsfield, the veteran who got away with murder
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  Speaker 1: until she didn't. And this is a recent case. And
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  Speaker 1: I found this case because Baytown, Texas is the hospital
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  Speaker 1: a person's taken too, and I follow that town because
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  Speaker 1: monkey Butt loves in that town and I need to
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  Speaker 1: of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this will be a multi part Deep Died, not
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  Speaker 2: many parts, so many twists and turns. We can't tell
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  Speaker 2: the story well and give you know the victims, the
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  Speaker 2: attention they deserve in one episode, it's impossible to do respectfully.
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  Speaker 2: So it is we are doing another multi partner partner are.
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  Speaker 1: And tonight I am drinking sparkling water. Well I decided
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  Speaker 1: not to add alcohol or wine to getting allergy shots. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're drinking for me, So.
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  Speaker 2: What do you I am drinking for you? I'm a
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  Speaker 2: drink and some Spedka vodka. It's my second drink for
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  Speaker 2: the night. And if you know me, I have pour
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  Speaker 2: strong strong drinks.
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  Speaker 1: So what kind of glasses that It's a Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: glass that War Stars guy?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, it's a War starsky terry. It's uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a storm trooper. But I got Spedka vodka, which
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  Speaker 2: if you like that, it goes down. You can't even
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  Speaker 1: Say that is a deadly vodka, but really it does
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  Speaker 1: not taste like I can sit there and literally drink
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  Speaker 1: it over eyes.
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  Speaker 2: And then I have it with simply BlackBerry lemonade and peach,
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  Speaker 2: two juices mixed together. So it's a little summer fruity.
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, this is my second one since
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  Speaker 2: I got off the air at what time For probably.
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  Speaker 1: Peach. I would have never thought to put those two together.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty delicious, pretty delicious. Well, I ran out of
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  Speaker 2: juice for the one you said, so I went with
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  Speaker 2: the beach. It's not bad. I'll take it. There's enough
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  Speaker 2: Vodga in there. It's fine, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. So
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  Speaker 2: I got us both tonight, Terry, don't you worry. And
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  Speaker 2: it's well earned. I'll tell you that. It's been a long,
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  Speaker 2: long day. So all right, Well with that, let's get
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  Speaker 2: into tonight's case. Friends, all right, why don't you start
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  Speaker 2: us off, Terry, Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: For hours and alarm screams. It is an aggressive, urgent
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  Speaker 1: sound designed to do one thing, and one thing only,
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  Speaker 1: to wake you up. Why, because you're dying.
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  Speaker 2: It's right. It's January seventh, twenty twenty three, and side
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  Speaker 2: a home in Beach City, Texas, forty six year old
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Hartsfeld is a veteran diabetic. He knows the sound
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  Speaker 2: and has managed his illness for over twenty years. But
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  Speaker 2: on this day, Joseph isn't waking up. His blood sugar
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  Speaker 2: is rapidly plumbing to a catastrophic fatal zero, and his
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  Speaker 2: brain is being starved of glucose.
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  Speaker 1: And right next to him or just down the hall.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else hears the alarm too, but nobody grabs Joseph
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  Speaker 1: a juice box or calls nine one one Instead. A
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  Speaker 1: woman picks up her phone, walks into Facebook, scrolling and
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  Speaker 1: scrolling and scrolling, and she even texts her daughter to
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  Speaker 1: complain that her husband is snoring too loud.
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  Speaker 2: By the time an ambulance is finally called, over an
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  Speaker 2: hour after Joseph becomes completely unresponsive, it's too late. Joseph
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  Speaker 2: slips into a hypoxy coma from which she will never
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  Speaker 2: wake up, And to the paramedics and doctors at the
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  Speaker 2: Baytown Hospital, it looks like a tragic, unpreventable medical emergency.
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  Speaker 2: But within days the medical staff noticed things that don't
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  Speaker 2: add up. The text don't add up, the data on
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  Speaker 2: Joseph's glucose monitor doesn't add up. There's some questions.
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  Speaker 1: There are some questions, and then the local sheriff's department
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  Speaker 1: gets a phone call. It's a call from a police
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  Speaker 1: department over a thousand miles away in Minnesota, and they
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  Speaker 1: have a question for the Texas detectives. Is that Sarah Hartsfield.
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  Speaker 1: Because you need to know this isn't the first time
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  Speaker 1: a man trying to leave her ended up dead.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Well, welcome to another special deep dive mini
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  Speaker 2: series on true crime and wine time. So pour yourself
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  Speaker 2: a glass, because today we are entering the web of
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Hartsfeld, a woman with five husbands, a trail of
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  Speaker 2: multi state chaos, a literal FBI murdered for higher investigation,
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  Speaker 2: and a body count that the justice system is only
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  Speaker 2: just beginning to tally. This is part one the alarm
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  Speaker 2: in Beach City.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, Buckle up, just bunkle up, bacle up, buckle up.
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  Speaker 1: The clause to nine one one comes in around one pm,
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  Speaker 1: and if you're listening to the audio, the first thing
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  Speaker 1: that strikes you is the absolute chilling composure in Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Hartsfeld's voice. There is no frantic panting, no terror, and
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  Speaker 1: no desperate pleading for the dispatchers to hurry. It all
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  Speaker 1: sounds so clinical for someone whose husband is tiptoe the
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  Speaker 1: line of life and death.
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  Speaker 2: And she tells the dispatcher that Joseph is unresponsive. She
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  Speaker 2: mentions his diabetes, but she frames the crisis not as
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  Speaker 2: this like sudden collapse, but as a very lingering, confusing issue,
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  Speaker 2: she claims. She claims that he had been acting strangely
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  Speaker 2: and speaking incoherently earlier that day, and that she thought
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  Speaker 2: he might be suffering from a stroke, which is red
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  Speaker 2: flag number one, because if she thought he was having
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  Speaker 2: a stroke earlier in that day, why not call my
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  Speaker 2: one one then or take him to the hospital then? Like,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't make her sound as good and innocent as
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  Speaker 2: she thinks it does in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Now, and I would be frantic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's wild already right off the gate,
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  Speaker 2: red flag? What is happening?
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  Speaker 1: As a dispatcher tries to walk her through legency protocol,
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  Speaker 1: Sarah's narrative begins its first subtle shifts. She tells the
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  Speaker 1: operator that Joseph is breathing heavily, which she had mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: For snoring, as one does. I'm sure, I'm like no.
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  Speaker 1: But what she doesn't tell the dispatcher is that she
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  Speaker 1: had known he was unresponsive for over an hour before
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  Speaker 1: she picked up the phone to call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: She's too busy scrolling.
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  Speaker 2: On Facebook, rolin' scroling, scrobling. When paramedics arrive at the home,
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  Speaker 2: they find Joseph in a state of advanced neurological distress.
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  Speaker 2: His brain has already been deprived of glucose for so
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  Speaker 2: long that his body is beginning to shut down, and
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  Speaker 2: so they rush him to the nearest emergency room in Baytown, Texas,
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  Speaker 2: where a team of doctors is urgently waiting for him
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  Speaker 2: to arrive.
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  Speaker 1: When Joseph following up arrives at the emergency room in Bytown,
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  Speaker 1: the medical staff step into a scene that entire feels wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Entirely from the get go. You have to understand the
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  Speaker 1: mind of an er doctor or a veteran nurse. They
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  Speaker 1: don't just look at the monitors and the test. They
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  Speaker 1: look at the room, the people in that room, and
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  Speaker 1: what they say and do.
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  Speaker 2: Or not do. Yeah, you know they're trying. Yeah, Er nurses, doctor,
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  Speaker 2: they are unbelievable at their jobs of taking in so
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  Speaker 2: much without having a bunch of answers right away, or
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: people being in such strong emotions that they can't communicate
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  Speaker 2: clearly like they're really. I mean, all nurses and doctors
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  Speaker 2: are very impressive, but er is just I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how they do it. Mad respect to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a off topic. If you want to see
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  Speaker 1: what a er looks like, the pit is pretty dang
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: close to what really happens in a n er. It's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a show that's on TV. It's it's amazing. Friends of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: ours that are doctors and stuff have even said, yep,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that's what it's really like.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So wow, well, you guys, the behavior of Sarah Hertzfeld
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: instantly sets off silent trip wires. So Joseph is lying
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there entirely unresponsive and practically a ghost. Yet Sarah is
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: completely unbothered, showing zero signs of panic, zero remorse, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: not shedding a single tear. And so when she's questioned
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: by the staff, she was very similar to how she
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: was with the nine one one dispatcher, very cold, very
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: matter of fact, and completely clinical, which again is people
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: handle things differently, Yes, but at this point it's kind
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of weird.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is. Now. She quickly starts spinning her
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: narrative to the doctors, trying to control the flow of information. Okay,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: She plays the role of the worried, exhausted wife and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: explains a way the delay for calling nine one one
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: by telling them she had been sound asleep heavily knocked
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: out on narcotic painkillers while we're covering from a recent
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: breast cancer surgery.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll say, I just want to clear up the
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: breast surgery. I know it's that I saw both well
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: research and breast cancer, but also breast uh in plants.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think it, but it's one or the other.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's a breast surgery and breast surgery. Yeah, yeah, which
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: is no joke either. Either one can be a very
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: serious surgery to have. But I just went I meant
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to change that and I forgot. No, that's okay, Just
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: want to clear.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: That up because it's I've seen it both ways when
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I was restarting, so absolutely, as somebody who has undergone
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: just three breast surgeries for riast cancer in the last year,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I could see how this could happen. But we're going
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to learn some things, kay.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So just there's a reason why it was confusing. We'll
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: just leave it at that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Because she had She claims she had no idea anything
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was wrong until she woke up and noticed his heavy
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: snoring and then realized he wouldn't wake up.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a rather perfect alibi if you think
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: about it, except there was one very massive problem. You see,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Joseph for a dex calm continuous glucose monitor, it's a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: life saving device that tracks a diabetics blood sugar in
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: real time and transmit transmits that data directly to a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: smartphone app. So when a patient sugar drops into the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: danger zone the app, it doesn't. It's not just like
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: a light vibrating buzz like your phone. No, it sounds
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: off a piercing, high pitched emergency alarm designed specifically to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: wake up an entire household. Because you know, it's pretty
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: fucking serious. Yeah, so that's not great for you, Sarah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Not great at all. As the medical team works on Joseph,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the clinical data begins screaming foul play. Joseph endocrinologist is
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: completely shocked. Joseph had been a patient of THEIRS for
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a long time and his blood sugar consistently ran dangerously high.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He was completely uncontrolled on the high side, okay, So
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: for his blood sugar to subtly bottom out to a
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: toxic fatal zero meant an absurd, unnatural amount of insulin
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: had hit his system. So basically, guys, the math simply
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: isn't mathing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Now, sensing a crime in real time, the hospital staff
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: does not wait. They bypassed Sarah entirely and make a
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: direct and very urgent call to the Chambers County Sheriff's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Office reporting a highly suspicious medical emergency.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But Sarah knows the walls are close again, and instead
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: of focusing on her dying husband, Sarah goes into an
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: absolute tactical lockdown right there in the ICU. She opens
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: her phone and begins lashing out in group text yeah guys.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: She aggressively blocks Joseph's mother, Helen, and his sister from
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: coming into the room at the.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Hospital Wow, his own mom and sister, and.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: She cuts off all family communication, effectively banning his blood
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: relatives from seeing him or holding his hand while he
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: lays in a coma. She even accuses them of being
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the ones who called the authorities on her.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So weird, Sarah, so weird.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So what I would be doing if my husband was
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: laying there not responsive?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Of course?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I would even let the devil dragon in.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: The devil dragon well. And then Sarah sends a text
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to her own daughter that gives away basically her entire game.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So as deputies begin swirling around the hospital corridor, Sarah
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: types out a message to her daughter that says, those
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: people called the police on me, And in the very
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: next line to her daughter, she orders her own daughter
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to completely ignore the law. Quote, decline to make a
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: statement to the police. End quote. You got a mother
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: of a year over here as well.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Guys, Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Sarah is enacting like a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: grieving wife desperately praying for a medical miracle. She's acting
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like a suspect trying to clean up a crime scene
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: before the ink on the police report even dries.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why would she think that those police were there
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: for her? That's weird. She's sus mm hmm, she's very
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: sus so. The moment the Chambers County deputies show up
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: at the hospital, the chess match officially begins, and when
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you watch the body camera footage played during their trial,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Sarah's performance shifts into high gear at this moment. Remember
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: we said she was cold, you know, unbothered, could and
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't shedding to nothing. Well, this calm, cold woman from
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the hospital floor, it suddenly puts on a display of frantic,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: breathless hysteria for the camera, because of course she is.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She launches into her story, telling the deputy that
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: she had been an incredibly attentive, dutiful wife. She claims
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that she noticed Joseph's glucose alarm going off earlier in
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the day, and spent hours diligently filling up a glass
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of juice for him. Okay, She tells the officer that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: she could hear him getting up to drink it and
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: using the bathroom, trying to create the illusion that Joseph
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was up and actively managing his own crisis. She even
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: throws in a layer of classic manipulation, telling the deputy
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: through heavy sighs, that she just feels so guilty that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: she didn't do more to help him.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, of course, of course.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like this woman. I'm going to just warn
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: you guys, now, I do like her.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: It's fine, you guys won't either. Don't worry because she
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: always gets worse by the way. So, but Sarah is
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: a woman who cannot help but over explain, and as
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: she keeps talking, she slips up in a way that
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: gives the deputy chills. As she is describing her marriage
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and their life together to a man she believes is
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you know, just to stand their deputy taking a routine report,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Sarah begins speaking about Joseph entirely in the past tense
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: uh oh, Red Black Number.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Two of like yet now, mind you, Joseph Hartsville is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: not dead at this point, He's laying in a hospital
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: bed just a few feet away, up to life support,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: with the doctors actively fighting to save his life. Yet
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to the deputy, Sarah's already talking about him like he's history.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Sensing that this woman is far more calculating than she's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: letting on, the deputy keeps pushing her, and that's when
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Sarah's mask slips completely. Her tone goes from grieving, medicated
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: wife to a hypervigilant suspect. She stops crying, looks directly
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: at the deputy, and demands to know, quote what exactly
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is your role here? End quote? And she asked it, guy,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: She asked it not once, but twice. She it seems
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: as though she's beginning to realize that this isn't just
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a wellness check. It's an interrogation.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not Yeah, that is not which you ask
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a police officer asking you questions. Just going to tell you, guys,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love the fact you didn't ask for
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: an attorney, but that is not something you ever say
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to a law enforcement officer. Now, when investigators pull the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: data from Joseph's xcom monitor. Remember that thing we talked about, Well,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: they find something extremely chilling. Those alarms have been blaring
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: relentlessly over one hundred times for twenty hours inside that house.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Twenty hours. There is no way Sarah couldn't have heard it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And what could she possibly have been doing instead?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no way you're hearing that for twenty I don't care.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: A lot enough for everybody to hear. My understanding is,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: even if your phone is on silent, it's specifically to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: bypass all of that and still blairs.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a life it's a matter of
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: life and death. It should and it is, and it
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: did and it does. So how are you gonna explain
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: this one, Sarah? Well, don't worry, guys. The red flags
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: they don't stop at the hospital because, of course they don't.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: When Lead Detective Skyler Rocks enters the picture, she corners
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Sarah to get answers, and that's when the true scope
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: of her digital deception begins to surface.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna just say, I'm in love with Detective Rocks.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I know, right, I am.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, So, when Detective Rocks asks Sarah for her phone
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: to secure us evidence Sarah doesn't drop into a panic, okay. Instead,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: she looks at the detective completely unfazed and plays dumb,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: oh crap. So here's the question, I have to give
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you this without a warrant?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well the answer to that question, of course, is no.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: All right, it's just no. Uh, never hand over your
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: property without being ordered to buy a warrant first and format.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That's just this is just my tidbit of advice here.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: But Detective Rocks, she came prepared. It's not her first day,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: all right, and handed Sarah designed legal paperwork from a judge. Now,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Sarah just casually shrugs it off, stating that she would
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: have just given it to them anyway. But she didn't
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: know exactly what was on that phone, and she had
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: already tried to scrub it clean.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm lucky for us.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: She's not good. No, no, no, no, not at all.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: She's not good at it. Not.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: When the digital forensic team extracts the phone's data, they
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: found that Sarah had aggressively deleted her Safari browser history
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: from the hours leading up to the nine one one call.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's why wag.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing about modern technology. Data leaves ghost
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: leaves little tidbits investigators. Investigators pulled the embedded cookies left
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: behind for her deleted searches, and the topics Sarah was
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: researching in the dark are absolutely damning.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she wasn't looking up how to save a
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: diabetic I know, shocking. I didn't see that coming e there,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: But I think her phone. Her phone history revealed searches
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: for air tag locks, terms like gaslighting and misogynistic, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a chilling look into her media consumption. So she had
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: been researching a very specific episode of the true Crying
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: show Snapped. I'm assuming if you listen to us, you've
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: probably watch a few episodes Snapped in your day. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: know I have, And the one she was focused on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: was about a woman who committed murder and then fled. Later,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: while Joseph is actively dying in the hospital, she types
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: up a new quarry into her search bar hand. Too
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: much insulin caused a stroke. So that's interesting.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, Sarah, come odd, I mean, I can't help
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but want to look at her and say, girl, Carol. Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's like girl now. As a matter of fact, during
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the exact morning hours when she claimed she was dead
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to the world from taking painkillers. Sarah's phone was buzzing
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: with activity. She was logging onto Facebook, using a grocery app,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: making calls, sending texts, and checking her bank account. Her
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Apple health data shows she was physically up and walking
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: around the house, logging dozens of steps every single hour. Guys,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she wasn't sleeping. Instead, she was actively preparing for Joseph's death.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But guess what, guys, it gets darker because at approximately
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: five am, while Joseph is lying unconscious dying of an
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: insulin overdose in the other room, a screenshot is taken
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: on his phone. Then we're gonna take I guess what
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: it is. Let me tell you. It's an Apple Legacy
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: contact access key, which, if you don't know what that is,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: is a digital pass that automatically transfers control of a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: person's entire digital life and photo data to someone else
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: upon their death. And that key is generated from his
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: phone and immediately sent directly to Sarah's phone, which is wild.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Wild red flag people, another red flag, because you don't
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: do that unless someone's deceased. Yeah, yeah, And it's the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: physical images recovered from her phone that turns the stomach, guys.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Investigators discovered that on that morning of January seventh, long
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: before Sarah called nine one one and Joseph was already
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: trapped in his diabetic coma. Sarah didn't just stand by.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: She pulled out her phone, walked up to his lip body,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and took multiple photos of him.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: She even recorded videos of this heavy, labored breathing to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: send to her daughter, capturing the exact sound of her
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: husband's brain starving of oxygen. Bitch, I mean, I just
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: can't we oh this woman again.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's so disturbing.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: So when detectives secured a warrant and walked into the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Hartsfield home in Beach City, they were met with a
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: scene that fell entirely staged, like pretty much stage. Sarah
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: had told them that, by total coincidence, she had just
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: taken down all of their interior home surveillance cameras just
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a few days prior to install a new system. Can't
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: you guys believe what are the odds?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a quinkidink.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It really is, it really is. And so now the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: digitaliyes of the house were completely blinded. Right before Joseph's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: blood sugar bottomed outs.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's the money. When initially questioned, Sarah
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: looks detectives dead in the eye inclined there was no
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: life insurance policy, okay, which is a blatant lie later
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: disproved by the state. Meanwhile, guys, the digital forensic records
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: showed that in the frantic days following the incident, she
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: was already using her phone to browse job boards, completely
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: pivoting to her next chapter. Our fifth husband, LA's brain
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: dead in an ICU bed, He's still technically alive, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: she's looking for a job.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wild, I know that's not what we were thinking
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: about when we were in an icy room a month ago.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I can tell you when late was in an ICU room,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: that was nowhere on my thoughts.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Sarah being Sarah, she believed that she
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: had covered her tracks perfectly. She but she did realize
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that every deleted text, every application login, in every single
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: physical step she took around that quiet house had just
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: built the state's entire case against her. Because I do
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: love dumbdumb criminals. Thanks, right, nothing's ever gone up the Internet,
• 39:17
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• 39:24
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• 39:29
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• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Hi Birthday twin Happy Birthday Month. Now, long before the
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: medical staff ever made that phone call to the Sheriff's office,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Joseph Hertfield's family was already living in a state of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: absolute terror. Okay, do understand the tragedy of this case.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You have to understand who Joe Hartsfield was, and those
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: who knew him best described him as a kind, quiet
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and hardworking man.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So when Joseph first met Sarah online in twenty twenty one,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: he was looking for a fresh start. He wanted a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: true partner to build a life with. Now he worked
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: exhausting shifts to provide for his family, he rarely complained,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and by all accounts, with someone who actively tried to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: avoid conflict. Well, Okay, and.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: His mother Helen and his sister Jeanie wanted nothing more
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: than for him to be happy. At first, Sarah seemed sweet,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: like an answered prayer, but the relationship became a whirldwin,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and almost immediately after the wedding, a dark, suffocating pattern
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of control settled over Joseph's life.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah systematically began isolating him from the people who
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: loved him most. For those that have been around in
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the true crime world for a while, you know exactly
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: what's coming next. So if Joseph wanted to visit his family,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Sarah would suddenly claim she was too sick to go
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and force him to stay behind with her. Then she
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: complained bitterly about his income, even making him quit his
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: job as a probation officer and take a shift job
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: at a local plant just to make more money.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: That's a more laborious job. That is not what people do.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: No, these are all red flags. As a matter of fact,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: we would argue, actually, I don't think it's an argument
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: that this is domestic abuse. I think it is.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, this is domestic abuse.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: If you don't know that, here you go. Here are
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: your signs of domestic abuse if you are in that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: relationship or know somebody that is.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And then we're going to get into financial domestic abuse.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Exact please, right, she makes him get this whole new
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: job to make more money. She starts putting him on
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: a strict, micromanaged budget. Despite the long, exhausting shifts he
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: was working, And how cute is that she was looking
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: up jobs as he was dying. Yeah, so that's cute. Now.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: When his sister Jeanie tried to address the distance growing
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: between them, Sarah detonated what Genie later described as World
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: War three, accusing the family of slandering her and trying
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: to steal Joseph away, which is what they constantly do.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, but it wasn't just the isolation that alarmed them.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It was a chilling revelation about an incident in Minnesota
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: that Sarah casually dropped during a family gathering, And from
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that moment on, the family's worry turned into pure localized panic.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As the control tightened around him, friends and family
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: watched the light go out in Joe. He went from
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: a man who was happy to connect with his family
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: to someone who seemed perpetuous, perpetually anxious, isolated and small.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Coworkers and acquaintances noticed he seemed constantly stressed or annoyed
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: by a state of his relationship. He was a man
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: living in a pressure cooker, quietly trying to figure out
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: how to escape without causing a massive explosion. And I
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: know we usually, you know, we do talk about domestic
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of violence a lot in a lot of these cases.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately normally it's told in reversal, but the statistic still
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: applies that when somebody is trying to get out of
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: an abusive relationship, it is the most dangerous time. And
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: it doesn't is not it doesn't matter, it does not matter,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, and it is a dangerous time for anyone.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: How old are these people, Mary asked? They are forty six,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: and I want to say forty four at this they're
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: in their forties or late the mid forties. And they
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: met in twenty twenty one. The beginning of the story
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: took place in twenty twenty three, so very short time.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. By late December twenty two, the tension inside the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Beach City house reached a breaking point. After a massive fight,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Sarah kicked Joseph out. He fled to his mother's house,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: completely broken and confined it in. Helen and Jeanie told
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: them he was done okay, and he was actively planning
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: his exit strategy to leave Sarah for good. His sister,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Jeanie even walked him into a local bank to open
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a brand new separate account so Sarah couldn't touch his money.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: That can be a trigger to the abuser. Guys, just
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: so you know, not saying he did anything wrong, because
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely what you should do, but it's a trigger
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to them if they find out.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: But as they sat talking for hours into the night,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Joseph looked at his sister and gave a voice to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: a dark premonition that would later haunt the court room.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: He said, quote, I'm worried she's going to kill me
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: in my sleep. End quote. Jeannie begged him not to
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: go back to that house. She told him to get
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: his affairs in order, but Joseph had to return to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the area for work.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: On December twenty ninth, twenty twenty two, the day after
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: he went back to Sarah, he left a final, heartbreaking
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: voicemail on his mother's phone. His voice was calm, but
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the words were heavy with a terrifying acceptance of what
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: he thought his reality might be. He said, Hey, Mom,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it's me, just calling to let you know everything is fine.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I went home preparing to be shot, but nothing happened.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I love you. He was actively gathering the courage to
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: walk away from his life. His wife of only eleven
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: months were good, but sadly, Joe never got the chance,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: because just nine days later, his gluecoas alarms would start screaming,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and the family's worst nightmare came true. So all of
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: this happened in a very very short pagod they'd only
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: been married. They had even been married, great year.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine as a mom getting that message from
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: your child.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: No, No. I listened to his mother speak yeah, quite
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a few times, and it's it's at the heartbreaking. It's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: so heartbreaking, it is Sadly.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: After January seventh, twenty twenty three, Joe never regained consciousness.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: For eight agonizing days, he lay rained dead in a
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Betim hospital, his body kept alive purely by the machines,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: while doctors and investigators quietly mobilized behind the scenes to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: uncover what had happened. A surreal, deeply unsettling theater was
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: playing out in public.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So even as the hospital walls were actively closing in
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: on her, Sarah took to social media, as one does.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: She posted a video on Facebook showing herself weeping directly
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: over Joe's comatae comato's body in his hospital bed, trying
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: to convince the masses that you was a shattered and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: grieving wife. Now I understand some people may do this.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: We don't. We don't do that. We didn't do that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I can't. That would never even cross my mind because
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: when you see somebody in an ICU hooked it, it's
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: a horrific Yeah, I thing to see an experience, and
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: this grosses me out, to be quite honest with everybody.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It's really gross.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't get it now. On
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: January fifteenth, twenty twenty three, the machines were turned off
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and Joseph Anthony Hartsfield passed away at just forty six
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: years old. But the final insult to Joe's memory came
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: in the form of his official online obituary, which was
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: entirely controlled by Sarah and to anyone reading it casually.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It painted a beautiful picture of a man in the
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: prime of his life, with a picture of him in
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Sarah's wedding at the top. It stated that Joe had
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: passed away peacefully due to complications of an a semic stroke,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: with this loving wife at his side, as if his
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: life had a peaceful, tragic end. And I read it,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and I, knowing everything.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Else, I was like, oh my god, wow, it's still
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: up even find it and look at it yourself. It
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: was the final narrative Sarah tried to sell to the world,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: But the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office was about to
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: hint on a ruling that shattered that fiction entirely. An
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: autopsy would officially reveal that Joe did not die of
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a natural stroke. No, he died from the complications of
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: toxic effects of insulin and intentional lethal overdose. In less
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: than three weeks after Joseph, Joseph Hertfeld's heart stops beating
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the state of Texas moves with a hasty, unextracted speed.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because normally Texas didn't move quite this fast. But
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it's February third, twenty twenty three, and Sarah Hartsfield is
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: going about her day, likely believing she has successfully managed
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: another tragic medical anomaly. You know, she's already rewritten Joseph's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: life story in that online obituary. She's cut off this family,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and she's browsing job boards.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: But behind closed doors, the Chambers County District Attorney and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Detective Rocks have presented a mountain mountain not exaggerate, a
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: mountain of electronic medical and behavioral data to a grand jury.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: The grand jury listens to the timeline of the blaring
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: glucose alarms, the deleted searches, the steps taken while she
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: claimed to be unconscious, and they did not hesitate. They
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: handed down a formal felony indictment for murder.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lady and Gray, Yes she did this in Texas.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: She did.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Later that same day, police cruisers pulled up to rest
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: forty eight year old Sarah, and when the handcuffs click
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: into place, Sarah doesn't drop the act.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: She maintains the posture of an innocent, deeply misunderstood veteran
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and mother who's being victimized by small town police in
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: vengeful in laws.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Girl comparises you, guys, she did nothing wrong. And by
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the way, I apologize, I did misspeak earlier. Sarah is
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: forty eight, Joe is forty six. In fairness, there's a
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: whole timeline of ages, so yeah, they do kind of
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: blur together depending what year we're going to be in
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the story.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: You'll see, you'll understand as we go through this multi part.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Well. The court so that she gets arrested. The court
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: sets her bond at a staggering, near impossible five million
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: dollars that means you don't fucked up, is what that means,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and they know it, signaling exactly how dangerous authorities believe
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: she truly is. But it's what happens after the mugshot
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: hits the internet that quite frankly changes everything.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. The Chambers County Sheriff's office posts Sarah's booking
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: photo on Facebook and in the digital world. True crime
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: news travels fast. You guys, knew this right. Within forty
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: eight hours, that post was shared hundreds of times, rippling
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: across state lines, laning on the screens of people from
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: her past who had been waiting years for this exact day.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. An old Army supervisor sees the mugshot and then
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: tells reporters his immediate reaction wasn't shocked at all that
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: she was arrested for murder, which is wild. It was
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: for him more a sense of relief that she finally
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: got caught.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, there's a lot to this story, Okay, And
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: one thousand miles away in Douglas County, Minnesota, an investigator
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: stares at Sarah's face on his computer string computer screen.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: He looks at the date January twenty twenty three, then
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: he looks down at a cold file on his desk
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: from twenty eighteen, a file containing a fatal shooting, an
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: uncharged self defense claim, and the exact same.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Woman Don dun dun YEP. Four days after Texas locks
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Sarah in a jail cell, a phone call comes in
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: from Minnesota and they have a question for the Texas detectives.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Is that Sarah Hartsfield? Because you need to know, this
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: isn't the first time a man trying to leave her
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: ended up dead. With the Minnesota officially reopened the case,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: the trap has snap shut, and the ghosts of Sarah
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Hartfield's past are finally coming home.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And that brings us, guys to the end of part one.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: But guys, Joseph Hartsfield's death wasn't the beginning of this story.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: It was actually the end.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: That's right. Next time on True Crime and Wine Time,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: we are leaving the flat coastal plains of Texas and
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: heading backward through a trail of multi state chaos that
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: spans decades, leaving seasoned investigators asking how one woman could
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: leave such a terrifying wake of destruction without ever wearing handcuffs.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: We'll pull back the layers on Sarah's chaotic string of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: five marriages. You'll hear from the exes who managed to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: survive her and the chilling military style control she exerted
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: over every single person who entered her.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Orbit's right, We're going to take you inside a terrifying
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one FBI investigation out of Arizona involving a
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: little hit plot. But most importantly, we are going to
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: travel back to an early summer night in Minnesota in
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, a night where another man trying to leave
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Sarah Hartsville, ended up dead on a kitchen floor back
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: then she walked away scott free, claiming, you know, self defense,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: But a stunning secret betrayal from inside her own family
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: is about to blow that alibi entirely to pieces.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Was Sarah an incredibly unlucky woman plagued by bizarre tragedies
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: or she one of the most calculating, unhinged predator predators
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: we've ever covered on this show.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: She's up in the running. I'll tell you that.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: She's definitely up in the running. The closing thoughts there, I.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Can't really get into it because I don't want to
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: do too many sports. So this is going to be.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's so hard, six to seven part multi
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: series each. I know a lot of you are probably
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: pissed right now.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: They're all streaming at their screens right now, going what
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: why are y'all stopping here?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I really can't say too much without what's upcoming
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: in the story, but I will say it is not
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: very often that we do see women as cold and
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: calculated as she is. And I know that when we
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: talked about covering this story and you are like, there
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: is so much to this, it's probably gonna have to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: be multiple parts, which of course never gets an objection
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: for me because I'm like, ah, it's not me this time.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: But No, as we were researching it and looking into it,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: it was like, holy shit, how has nobody heard about this?
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, her trial for what happened to Joseph was
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: just last year in twenty twenty five, and I was shocked.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, how you text, we have to tell
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: the story.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It didn't go viral. I mean that's the thing that's shocking,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: especially when we get into all of the other things. Okay,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: because what y'all need to know this woman is diabolical
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: and not just to men.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, you're gonna find a lot of dirty secrets
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: of Sarah Hartsfield. She's not a good part. Don't worry.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: We're all gonna hate her.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: It's you're all gonna hate her when we're gone.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but you know we'll be back next Thursday,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern with part two, so you don't want
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: to miss it. I promise you.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Are not going to want to miss it, because we're
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: also going to leave you wondering what the FBI was thinking,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: because I not very often do the words come out
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: of my mouth saying, seriously, FBI, I did.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: It's wild to me, it's wild.
• 59:08
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• 59:11
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• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Uh uh oh, Mary, I'm sorry you like multiple episodes,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: but you don't want to wait. I know, I know that, guys,
• 1:00:07
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• 1:00:11
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• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:17
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• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:33
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• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:40
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• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Put on your big girl patient pants.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: And guys, always please as we say goodnight. If you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: are in a situation where you are being emotionally, financially,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: physically abused, there is help out there. Okay. Do not
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: think you're alone. Do not feel ashamed, because one of
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the most dangerous times that has been proven is when
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: you start making a plan to leave and I want
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you all to stay safe.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: That's right, man or woman. It doesn't It can happen
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: to anybody of any class, of any color, of any race.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: There's nobody ever, there is no boundaries of domestic abuse.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: So well, friends, until next time, go forth and be amazing.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: All right, friends, I got bye? You want to do
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: ayth anyway,