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Passion, Ecstasy & Challenges on the Path of Love with A. H. Almaas · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  the
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  first
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  dialogue
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  in
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  our
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  Path
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  of
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  Love
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  series
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  with
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  A.
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  H.
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  Almaas
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  where
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  we
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  continue
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  our
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  journey
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  to
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  the
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  absolute
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  and
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  our
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  true
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  nature.
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  The
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  nondual
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  personal
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  and
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  intimate
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  journey
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  to
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  the
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  heart
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  of
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  reality.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  the
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  way
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  you
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  speak
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  about
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  love
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  as
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  this
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  force
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  or
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  this
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  dynamic
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  and
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  the
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  stages
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  you
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  lay
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  out
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  remind
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  me
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  of
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  other
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  descriptions.
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  One
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  is
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  Plato
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  in
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  his
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  description
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  of
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  eros
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  as
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  moving
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  from
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  beautiful
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  bodies
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  to
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  beautiful
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  minds
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  to
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  ethics
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  to
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  the
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  good
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  as
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  one.
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  And
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  then
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  there's
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  a
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  Sufi
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  path
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  of
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  metaphorical
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  and
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  into
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  spiritual
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  and
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  the
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  various
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  stages
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  which
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  you
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  know
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  much,
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  much,
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  much
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  better
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  than
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  I
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  do.
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  So
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  would
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  you
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  like
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  to.
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  I
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  would
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  love
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  to
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  hear
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  you
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  say
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  something
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  about
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  the
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  some
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  comparisons
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  and
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  what
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  your
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  approach
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  adds
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  here.
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  I
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  mean
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  I
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  can
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  see
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  some
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  things
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  you
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  definitely
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  add,
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  but
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  much
• 1:20
  better
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  to
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  hear
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  them
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  from
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  you.
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  You
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  see
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  the
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  path
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  of
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  the
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  Indian
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  tradition
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  they
• 1:25
  took
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  called
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  the
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  Bhakti
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  approach.
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  They
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  have
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  different
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  in
• 1:29
  the
• 1:29
  Karma
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  approach,
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  the
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  Yana
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  approach
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  and
• 1:32
  the
• 1:32
  Bhakti,
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  the
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  way
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  of
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  the
• 1:34
  heart.
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  And
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  there
• 1:35
  are
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  many
• 1:36
  schools
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  of
• 1:36
  it,
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  you
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  know,
• 1:37
  Indian
• 1:38
  religion
• 1:39
  and
• 1:39
  Hinduism
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  and
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  the
• 1:41
  Bhakti
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  path,
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  Hinduism
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  is
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  frequently
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  toward
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  this
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  particular
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  deity,
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  you
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  know,
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  Rama
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  or
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  Vishnu
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  or
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  Krishna.
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  mean
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  different
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  sects
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  orient
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  to
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  different
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  expression
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  of
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  the
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  divine,
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  the
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  deity.
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  Where
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  there's
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  love,
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  there
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  is
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  beauty
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  and
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  all
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  of
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  that.
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  And
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  the
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  Sufi
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  path,
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  I
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  mean
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  there
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  are
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  many
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  lineages,
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  some
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  of
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  them
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  are
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  more
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  love
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  oriented
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  than
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  others.
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  But
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  in
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  general
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  Sufism,
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  the
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  love
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  is
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  the
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  dominant
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  force
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  because
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  frequently
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  they
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  even
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  equate
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  love
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  with
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  the
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  divine
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  with
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  the
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  truth.
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  But
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  some
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  of
• 2:21
  them
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  do
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  clearly
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  show
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  that
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  the
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  ultimate
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  truth,
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  the
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  absolute
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  truth
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  is
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  not
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  just
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  love
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  and
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  the
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  love
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  and
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  outer
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  expression.
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  The
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  difference
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  between
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  my
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  approach
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  or
• 2:35
  approach
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  of
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  this
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  teaching
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  than
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  others
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  is
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  that
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  the
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  methodology
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  is
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  a
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  very
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  important
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  part.
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  The
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  Bhakti
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  approach
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  is
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  chanting
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  and
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  praying
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  and
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  supplication.
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  And
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  I
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  mean
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  we
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  do
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  chant
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  in
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  our
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  group
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  some,
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  but
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  it's
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  not
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  the
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  main
• 2:53
  method,
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  it's
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  a
• 2:54
  supported
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  method.
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  We
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  do
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  chanting,
• 2:55
  we
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  do
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  prayer.
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  The
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  main
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  method
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  is
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  continues
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  to
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  be
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  inquiry,
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  to
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  be
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  understanding
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  experience,
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  staying
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  true
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  to
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  experience
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  and
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  understanding,
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  experiencing,
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  seeing
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  what
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  is
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  in
• 3:09
  the
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  way
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  that
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  limits
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  it
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  from
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  moving
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  the
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  way
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  it
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  wants
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  to
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  move.
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  So
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  the
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  Sufi
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  path
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  doesn't
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  use
• 3:16
  inquiry
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  as
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  much.
• 3:17
  The
• 3:18
  Sufi
• 3:18
  path
• 3:18
  uses,
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  you
• 3:20
  know,
• 3:21
  Zakir
• 3:22
  and
• 3:24
  Lavi.
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  They
• 3:25
  do
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  whirling
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  thing.
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  They
• 3:27
  have
• 3:27
  all
• 3:27
  these
• 3:27
  methods
• 3:28
  and
• 3:28
  all
• 3:29
  these
• 3:29
  methods
• 3:29
  for
• 3:29
  me,
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  I
• 3:30
  mean,
• 3:31
  obviously
• 3:32
  they
• 3:32
  have
• 3:32
  been
• 3:32
  effective
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  them,
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  know,
• 3:38
  I've
• 3:39
  learned
• 3:39
  many
• 3:40
  of
• 3:40
  them,
• 3:40
  but
• 3:40
  I
• 3:40
  didn't
• 3:42
  find
• 3:42
  that
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  natural
• 3:43
  thing
• 3:43
  for
• 3:44
  me,
• 3:44
  natural
• 3:45
  thing
• 3:45
  for
• 3:45
  me
• 3:45
  was
• 3:45
  more
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  inquiry.
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  Because
• 3:47
  remember,
• 3:47
  the
• 3:48
  diamond
• 3:48
  approach
• 3:49
  is
• 3:49
  a
• 3:50
  teaching
• 3:50
  that
• 3:50
  has
• 3:52
  many
• 3:52
  things,
• 3:53
  many
• 3:53
  approaches.
• 3:54
  The
• 3:55
  way
• 3:55
  of
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  heart
• 3:56
  is
• 3:56
  only
• 3:56
  one
• 3:57
  major
• 3:57
  way.
• 3:58
  There
• 3:58
  are
• 3:59
  other
• 3:59
  realizations
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  happen
• 4:00
  in
• 4:01
  other
• 4:01
  ways,
• 4:02
  you
• 4:03
  see.
• 4:03
  And
• 4:04
  inquiry
• 4:05
  is
• 4:05
  an
• 4:05
  approach
• 4:07
  that
• 4:07
  works
• 4:07
  for
• 4:07
  all
• 4:08
  of
• 4:08
  them.
• 4:08
  Whether
• 4:08
  it's
• 4:09
  another
• 4:10
  opening
• 4:11
  to
• 4:11
  awareness
• 4:11
  and
• 4:11
  clarity
• 4:12
  or
• 4:12
  opening
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  heart
• 4:13
  and
• 4:14
  a
• 4:15
  beloved,
• 4:15
  or
• 4:16
  more
• 4:16
  grounding
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  mensity
• 4:18
  of
• 4:18
  reality
• 4:19
  through
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  belly
• 4:20
  center.
• 4:21
  All
• 4:21
  these
• 4:22
  like
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  don't
• 4:22
  do,
• 4:23
  like
• 4:23
  martial
• 4:24
  arts
• 4:24
  to
• 4:24
  do
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  belly
• 4:25
  center,
• 4:25
  for
• 4:26
  instance.
• 4:29
  Be
• 4:29
  difficult
• 4:29
  for
• 4:29
  me
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  do
• 4:30
  that.
• 4:32
  Me
• 4:33
  too.
• 4:35
  But
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  see,
• 4:37
  but
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  inquiry
• 4:38
  for
• 4:38
  me
• 4:38
  is
• 4:39
  engagement
• 4:39
  of
• 4:39
  the
• 4:40
  heart
• 4:40
  that
• 4:41
  uses
• 4:41
  the
• 4:42
  mind,
• 4:43
  internalizes
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  mind.
• 4:44
  The
• 4:44
  mind
• 4:45
  asks
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  question,
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  heart
• 4:47
  by
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  answers.
• 4:49
  Yeah,
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  said,
• 4:50
  I
• 4:51
  said
• 4:51
  in
• 4:51
  this
• 4:51
  book
• 4:51
  too
• 4:51
  that
• 4:53
  without
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  mind,
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  mind
• 4:54
  is
• 4:54
  essential
• 4:55
  because
• 4:55
  it
• 4:56
  is
• 4:57
  part
• 4:58
  of
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  function
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  our
• 5:00
  soul.
• 5:01
  Yeah.
• 5:02
  And
• 5:02
  all
• 5:02
  these,
• 5:03
  even
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  bhakti,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:04
  fully,
• 5:05
  like
• 5:05
  the
• 5:06
  prayer
• 5:06
  or
• 5:07
  the
• 5:08
  chanting,
• 5:08
  they
• 5:09
  still
• 5:09
  use
• 5:09
  the
• 5:09
  mind.
• 5:10
  Some
• 5:11
  not
• 5:11
  as
• 5:11
  much
• 5:11
  maybe
• 5:12
  as
• 5:12
  inquiry
• 5:13
  does.
• 5:13
  But
• 5:14
  everybody
• 5:14
  uses
• 5:15
  mind.
• 5:15
  You
• 5:15
  got
• 5:15
  mind,
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  have
• 5:16
  to
• 5:16
  use
• 5:16
  it.
• 5:18
  You
• 5:18
  use
• 5:18
  plenty
• 5:18
  of
• 5:18
  it.
• 5:19
  I
• 5:19
  use
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  mind
• 5:20
  because
• 5:20
  understanding
• 5:21
  is
• 5:21
  very
• 5:22
  important.
• 5:23
  But
• 5:23
  understanding
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  experiential.
• 5:25
  Understanding
• 5:27
  like
• 5:27
  feeling
• 5:27
  the
• 5:28
  love.
• 5:29
  Understanding
• 5:30
  love
• 5:30
  means
• 5:30
  feeling
• 5:30
  it
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  knowing
• 5:32
  what
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  feel
• 5:33
  like.
• 5:33
  What
• 5:33
  is
• 5:33
  this
• 5:34
  texture?
• 5:34
  What
• 5:34
  is
• 5:35
  this
• 5:35
  function?
• 5:36
  That's
• 5:37
  what
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  mean
• 5:37
  by
• 5:37
  understanding,
• 5:38
  recognizing
• 5:39
  what
• 5:39
  it
• 5:40
  feel
• 5:40
  like
• 5:40
  and
• 5:40
  how
• 5:40
  it
• 5:40
  function
• 5:41
  and
• 5:42
  how
• 5:42
  it
• 5:42
  impacts
• 5:43
  experience.
• 5:43
  It
• 5:44
  seems
• 5:44
  like
• 5:44
  there's
• 5:45
  almost
• 5:45
  two
• 5:45
  things.
• 5:46
  There's
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  love
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  truth.
• 5:49
  That's
• 5:49
  almost
• 5:49
  a
• 5:50
  mind
• 5:50
  centric
• 5:51
  thing.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:51
  then
• 5:51
  there
• 5:51
  seems.
• 5:52
  There's
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  yearning
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  hunger
• 5:54
  that
• 5:54
  seems
• 5:54
  to
• 5:55
  be
• 5:55
  more
• 5:56
  of
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  heart.
• 5:57
  And
• 5:58
  you
• 5:58
  kind
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  put
• 5:59
  those
• 5:59
  things
• 6:00
  both
• 6:00
  together.
• 6:00
  Could
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  sort
• 6:02
  that
• 6:02
  out
• 6:02
  for
• 6:02
  me
• 6:02
  or
• 6:03
  does
• 6:03
  that
• 6:03
  make
• 6:03
  any
• 6:03
  sense?
• 6:04
  It's
• 6:04
  very
• 6:05
  easy
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  sort
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  out
• 6:07
  because
• 6:07
  truth
• 6:08
  is
• 6:08
  not
• 6:08
  the
• 6:09
  quality
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  mind,
• 6:09
  it's
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  quality
• 6:10
  of
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  heart.
• 6:11
  Thank
• 6:11
  you.
• 6:12
  The
• 6:12
  heart
• 6:13
  knows
• 6:13
  truth,
• 6:13
  the
• 6:14
  mind
• 6:14
  doesn't.
• 6:15
  You
• 6:15
  see,
• 6:16
  when
• 6:16
  we
• 6:17
  remember
• 6:17
  we
• 6:18
  talked
• 6:18
  about
• 6:18
  at
• 6:19
  some
• 6:19
  point
• 6:19
  about
• 6:19
  different
• 6:20
  qualities
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  presence
• 6:22
  or
• 6:22
  true
• 6:23
  nature.
• 6:24
  One
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  main
• 6:24
  qualities
• 6:25
  is
• 6:25
  solid
• 6:25
  gold
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  truth.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  appears
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  heart.
• 6:29
  It's
• 6:29
  really
• 6:30
  the
• 6:31
  main
• 6:32
  quality
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  heart
• 6:33
  is
• 6:33
  truth.
• 6:35
  Because
• 6:35
  truth
• 6:36
  is
• 6:36
  sweet,
• 6:37
  truth
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  true,
• 6:39
  genuine.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:40
  so
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  mind
• 6:42
  is
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  discerning
• 6:44
  quality.
• 6:45
  The
• 6:45
  standing
• 6:46
  capacity
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  discerns
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  the
• 6:49
  sense
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  truth
• 6:50
  comes
• 6:50
  from
• 6:50
  the
• 6:51
  heart,
• 6:51
  not
• 6:52
  from
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  mind.
• 6:52
  The
• 6:53
  mind
• 6:53
  can
• 6:53
  discern
• 6:54
  and
• 6:55
  explore
• 6:55
  until
• 6:56
  something
• 6:56
  comes
• 6:57
  from
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  heart
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  say
• 6:58
  this
• 6:58
  is
• 6:58
  the
• 6:59
  truth.
• 7:00
  See,
• 7:01
  so
• 7:01
  inquiry
• 7:02
  combined
• 7:02
  Mind
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  heart,
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  discernment
• 7:05
  and
• 7:05
  exploration
• 7:06
  and
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  providing
• 7:07
  of
• 7:07
  the
• 7:08
  actual
• 7:09
  feel
• 7:09
  thing,
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  actual
• 7:10
  feel
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  truth,
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  actual
• 7:12
  substance
• 7:13
  to
• 7:13
  which
• 7:14
  comes
• 7:14
  from
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  heart.
• 7:15
  Did
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  at
• 7:16
  some
• 7:16
  point
• 7:17
  begin
• 7:17
  to
• 7:18
  see
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  truth
• 7:20
  or
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  inner
• 7:20
  beloved
• 7:21
  everywhere?
• 7:22
  Not
• 7:23
  just
• 7:23
  inside,
• 7:23
  but
• 7:23
  it
• 7:24
  just
• 7:24
  spread
• 7:24
  out.
• 7:25
  And
• 7:25
  now
• 7:25
  it
• 7:26
  was
• 7:26
  basically
• 7:27
  everything.
• 7:28
  Well,
• 7:28
  you're
• 7:28
  jumping
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  end
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  book.
• 7:30
  Oh,
• 7:31
  sorry.
• 7:31
  Yeah.
• 7:32
  Which
• 7:33
  is
• 7:33
  fine.
• 7:33
  It's
• 7:33
  true.
• 7:34
  That's
• 7:34
  what
• 7:34
  happens.
• 7:35
  Yes.
• 7:38
  You
• 7:38
  just
• 7:38
  keep
• 7:38
  reeling
• 7:39
  me
• 7:39
  in,
• 7:39
  Hameed.
• 7:40
  Well,
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  read
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  whole
• 7:41
  book,
• 7:41
  so
• 7:42
  for
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  it's
• 7:43
  all
• 7:43
  one
• 7:43
  thing.
• 7:46
  Don't
• 7:46
  give
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  secret
• 7:47
  away,
• 7:47
  John.
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  mean,
• 7:49
  it's
• 7:49
  not
• 7:49
  a
• 7:49
  secret.
• 7:50
  People
• 7:50
  who
• 7:50
  read
• 7:50
  the
• 7:51
  book,
• 7:51
  they'll
• 7:51
  read
• 7:51
  the
• 7:51
  whole
• 7:52
  thing,
• 7:52
  you
• 7:52
  know?
• 7:52
  Yeah,
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  should
• 7:53
  read
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  book.
• 7:53
  Trust
• 7:54
  me.
• 7:54
  Yeah,
• 7:55
  yeah.
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  mean,
• 7:56
  stepping
• 7:57
  back
• 7:57
  to
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  trilogy
• 7:59
  again,
• 8:01
  in
• 8:01
  1977,
• 8:02
  Ken
• 8:03
  Wilbur
• 8:03
  really
• 8:04
  kind
• 8:04
  of
• 8:05
  exploded
• 8:06
  onto
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  cultural
• 8:07
  scene
• 8:07
  with
• 8:07
  his
• 8:08
  book
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  Spectrum
• 8:08
  of
• 8:09
  Consciousness,
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  which
• 8:10
  he
• 8:10
  laid
• 8:10
  out
• 8:10
  what
• 8:10
  he
• 8:10
  called
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  first
• 8:12
  full
• 8:12
  spectrum
• 8:13
  model
• 8:14
  or
• 8:14
  theory
• 8:14
  of
• 8:15
  human
• 8:16
  consciousness.
• 8:16
  Going
• 8:17
  all
• 8:17
  the
• 8:17
  way
• 8:17
  from
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  early
• 8:19
  fragmented
• 8:20
  ego
• 8:21
  through
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  the
• 8:23
  various
• 8:24
  degrees
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  self
• 8:25
  actualization,
• 8:26
  all
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  way
• 8:26
  to
• 8:26
  various
• 8:27
  degrees
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  realization
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  kinds
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  realization.
• 8:30
  It
• 8:31
  feels
• 8:31
  like
• 8:31
  you
• 8:32
  have,
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  your
• 8:34
  diamond
• 8:34
  approach
• 8:34
  work,
• 8:35
  offered
• 8:36
  something
• 8:38
  maybe
• 8:38
  conceptually
• 8:39
  analogous,
• 8:39
  a
• 8:40
  full
• 8:40
  spectrum
• 8:41
  view
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  human
• 8:42
  possibility
• 8:42
  and
• 8:43
  maturation,
• 8:44
  but
• 8:44
  with
• 8:44
  a
• 8:44
  much
• 8:45
  greater
• 8:46
  experiential
• 8:47
  base
• 8:47
  and
• 8:48
  a
• 8:49
  kind
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  soteriological
• 8:51
  liberation
• 8:52
  motive.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:54
  now
• 8:54
  it
• 8:55
  feels
• 8:55
  like
• 8:55
  you're
• 8:55
  offering
• 8:56
  a
• 8:57
  radical
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  in
• 8:58
  some
• 8:58
  ways
• 8:59
  quite
• 9:00
  novel
• 9:01
  whole
• 9:01
  spectrum
• 9:02
  view
• 9:02
  of
• 9:03
  love
• 9:03
  and
• 9:04
  its
• 9:04
  potentials.
• 9:05
  Yeah,
• 9:06
  that
• 9:06
  is
• 9:06
  very
• 9:07
  true.
• 9:08
  You
• 9:08
  see
• 9:08
  experience
• 9:10
  in
• 9:10
  this
• 9:10
  path.
• 9:10
  Experience
• 9:11
  is
• 9:11
  almost
• 9:12
  everything.
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  mean,
• 9:13
  without
• 9:14
  experience
• 9:14
  there
• 9:14
  is
• 9:14
  no
• 9:15
  path.
• 9:16
  It
• 9:16
  has
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  be
• 9:17
  direct,
• 9:17
  immediate
• 9:18
  experience.
• 9:18
  And
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  heart
• 9:19
  is
• 9:20
  very
• 9:20
  central
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  this
• 9:21
  direct
• 9:22
  experience.
• 9:23
  Experience
• 9:23
  is
• 9:24
  felt,
• 9:24
  is
• 9:24
  sensed,
• 9:25
  known
• 9:26
  in
• 9:26
  the
• 9:27
  heart,
• 9:27
  not
• 9:27
  just
• 9:27
  in
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  mind.
• 9:28
  The
• 9:28
  mind
• 9:29
  has
• 9:29
  insight,
• 9:30
  has
• 9:31
  discrimination,
• 9:33
  illumination,
• 9:34
  but
• 9:34
  the
• 9:35
  heart
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  what
• 9:35
  provides
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  material
• 9:37
  that
• 9:38
  is
• 9:38
  known.
• 9:39
  And
• 9:40
  Kant
• 9:40
  did
• 9:40
  a
• 9:41
  great
• 9:41
  job.
• 9:41
  And
• 9:42
  I
• 9:42
  don't
• 9:42
  know
• 9:42
  if
• 9:43
  he's
• 9:43
  still
• 9:43
  doing
• 9:43
  it,
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  doing
• 9:44
  a
• 9:45
  whole
• 9:45
  system.
• 9:46
  His
• 9:46
  orientation
• 9:47
  was
• 9:47
  he
• 9:47
  has
• 9:47
  experience,
• 9:48
  but
• 9:48
  it
• 9:48
  was
• 9:49
  more
• 9:49
  of
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  philosophical
• 9:50
  approach.
• 9:51
  Actually.
• 9:52
  My
• 9:52
  teaching
• 9:53
  is
• 9:53
  not
• 9:53
  really
• 9:53
  philosophy.
• 9:54
  It
• 9:55
  is
• 9:55
  a
• 9:55
  teaching
• 9:56
  as
• 9:56
  a
• 9:57
  spiritual
• 9:57
  teaching.
• 9:57
  It
• 9:58
  is
• 9:58
  based
• 9:58
  on
• 9:59
  experience
• 9:59
  is
• 9:59
  what's
• 10:00
  creating
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  teaching.
• 10:01
  My
• 10:01
  mind
• 10:02
  didn't
• 10:02
  create
• 10:02
  it.
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  did
• 10:03
  not
• 10:04
  systematize
• 10:04
  it.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:05
  experience
• 10:06
  systematized
• 10:07
  itself.
• 10:07
  It
• 10:08
  parceled
• 10:08
  itself
• 10:09
  in
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  way,
• 10:10
  appeared
• 10:10
  in
• 10:10
  this
• 10:11
  way
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  that
• 10:11
  way.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:12
  my
• 10:13
  mind
• 10:13
  was
• 10:13
  just
• 10:13
  trying
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  figure
• 10:14
  out
• 10:14
  what's
• 10:14
  it
• 10:14
  doing.
• 10:16
  Let
• 10:16
  me
• 10:17
  put
• 10:17
  it
• 10:17
  down.
• 10:19
  You're
• 10:19
  trying
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  catch
• 10:20
  up
• 10:20
  with
• 10:21
  my
• 10:21
  mind.
• 10:21
  Couldn't
• 10:22
  do
• 10:22
  it,
• 10:22
  I
• 10:22
  tell
• 10:22
  you.
• 10:23
  Yeah,
• 10:24
  but
• 10:24
  it
• 10:24
  Tried,
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  take
• 10:25
  it.
• 10:26
  I'm
• 10:26
  not
• 10:26
  that
• 10:26
  smart
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  my
• 10:27
  mind's
• 10:28
  not
• 10:28
  smart
• 10:28
  enough
• 10:29
  to
• 10:29
  know
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  kind
• 10:29
  of
• 10:30
  thing.
• 10:30
  And
• 10:31
  it
• 10:31
  doesn't.
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  mean,
• 10:32
  nobody
• 10:32
  is
• 10:32
  smart
• 10:33
  enough
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  know
• 10:33
  the
• 10:34
  essential
• 10:34
  truth.
• 10:37
  Yeah,
• 10:37
  well
• 10:37
  said.
• 10:38
  Could
• 10:38
  you
• 10:39
  perhaps,
• 10:39
  speaking
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  this
• 10:40
  full
• 10:41
  spectrum
• 10:42
  vision
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  love,
• 10:44
  could
• 10:44
  you
• 10:45
  say
• 10:45
  a
• 10:45
  little
• 10:46
  about
• 10:47
  what
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  see
• 10:47
  as
• 10:48
  some
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  unique
• 10:49
  features?
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  mean,
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  see
• 10:50
  several
• 10:50
  unique
• 10:51
  features,
• 10:52
  but
• 10:52
  I'd
• 10:52
  be
• 10:52
  much
• 10:52
  better
• 10:53
  to
• 10:53
  have
• 10:53
  you
• 10:53
  speak
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  them.
• 10:55
  The
• 10:55
  path
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  love
• 10:56
  and
• 10:57
  this
• 10:57
  teaching,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  mean?
• 10:58
  Yeah,
• 10:59
  because,
• 10:59
  you
• 11:00
  know,
• 11:00
  as
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  pointed
• 11:00
  out,
• 11:01
  there
• 11:01
  have
• 11:01
  been
• 11:01
  other
• 11:01
  paths
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  love
• 11:02
  that
• 11:03
  have
• 11:03
  been
• 11:03
  pointed
• 11:03
  to.
• 11:03
  I
• 11:04
  mean,
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  know,
• 11:04
  Plato
• 11:05
  provide
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  basic
• 11:06
  one,
• 11:06
  but
• 11:06
  the
• 11:07
  Sufis
• 11:08
  may
• 11:08
  be
• 11:08
  laid
• 11:08
  out
• 11:09
  on
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  most
• 11:09
  sophisticated
• 11:10
  one.
• 11:10
  But
• 11:10
  even
• 11:11
  here
• 11:11
  it
• 11:12
  feels
• 11:12
  like
• 11:12
  you're
• 11:12
  adding
• 11:13
  some
• 11:13
  new.
• 11:14
  Some
• 11:14
  new
• 11:15
  aspects
• 11:15
  or
• 11:16
  experiences
• 11:16
  or
• 11:17
  possibilities.
• 11:19
  Well,
• 11:19
  let's
• 11:19
  see,
• 11:19
  the
• 11:20
  first
• 11:21
  thing
• 11:21
  is
• 11:21
  that
• 11:22
  there
• 11:23
  is
• 11:23
  a
• 11:23
  union
• 11:24
  between
• 11:25
  inquiry
• 11:26
  and
• 11:27
  the
• 11:28
  force
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  love.
• 11:31
  Love
• 11:32
  is
• 11:32
  the
• 11:32
  force
• 11:34
  that
• 11:34
  dissolves
• 11:35
  thing,
• 11:35
  brings
• 11:36
  out
• 11:36
  things,
• 11:37
  manifest
• 11:38
  things.
• 11:39
  And
• 11:39
  the
• 11:40
  inquiry
• 11:40
  is
• 11:41
  basically
• 11:41
  discerning
• 11:42
  as
• 11:42
  it
• 11:43
  brings
• 11:43
  out
• 11:43
  things.
• 11:44
  What
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  it
• 11:45
  from
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  past?
• 11:45
  What
• 11:46
  is
• 11:46
  it
• 11:46
  coming
• 11:46
  directly
• 11:47
  from
• 11:47
  experience?
• 11:48
  What
• 11:48
  is
• 11:48
  an
• 11:48
  obstacle?
• 11:49
  What
• 11:49
  is
• 11:50
  an
• 11:50
  opening?
• 11:51
  You
• 11:51
  know,
• 11:51
  so
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  path
• 11:52
  helps
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  way,
• 11:54
  that
• 11:54
  way.
• 11:54
  Otherwise
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  heart
• 11:56
  can
• 11:56
  go
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  wrong
• 11:57
  direction.
• 11:57
  You
• 11:58
  know,
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  heart
• 11:59
  can
• 11:59
  think,
• 12:00
  oh,
• 12:00
  I'm
• 12:00
  loving
• 12:01
  this
• 12:01
  person.
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  fell
• 12:02
  in
• 12:02
  love.
• 12:02
  Well,
• 12:02
  that's
• 12:03
  why
• 12:03
  my
• 12:03
  heart
• 12:03
  is
• 12:04
  so
• 12:04
  open,
• 12:04
  because
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  met
• 12:05
  this
• 12:05
  person
• 12:06
  and
• 12:07
  many
• 12:07
  people
• 12:07
  do
• 12:08
  that.
• 12:09
  And
• 12:10
  so
• 12:10
  it
• 12:10
  need
• 12:10
  great
• 12:11
  discrimination
• 12:12
  because
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  heart
• 12:13
  will
• 12:13
  tend
• 12:13
  to.
• 12:13
  Well,
• 12:13
  I
• 12:14
  tell
• 12:14
  you
• 12:14
  that
• 12:14
  they'll
• 12:14
  say,
• 12:15
  well,
• 12:15
  if
• 12:16
  you
• 12:16
  stay
• 12:16
  long
• 12:17
  enough,
• 12:17
  when
• 12:17
  you
• 12:18
  realize
• 12:18
  at
• 12:18
  some
• 12:18
  point,
• 12:19
  you
• 12:19
  know,
• 12:20
  my
• 12:20
  heart
• 12:21
  wants
• 12:21
  something
• 12:22
  more
• 12:23
  complete,
• 12:25
  more
• 12:26
  perfect.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:27
  regardless
• 12:28
  how
• 12:29
  beautiful
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  perfect
• 12:31
  the
• 12:32
  outer
• 12:33
  beloved
• 12:34
  is,
• 12:34
  there's
• 12:35
  something
• 12:35
  else.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  it's
• 12:37
  sort
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  the
• 12:38
  heart.
• 12:38
  It
• 12:39
  appears
• 12:39
  like
• 12:39
  almost
• 12:40
  like
• 12:40
  an
• 12:40
  intuitive
• 12:41
  sense.
• 12:41
  Like
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  heart
• 12:42
  knows
• 12:42
  intuitively
• 12:43
  what
• 12:43
  the
• 12:44
  beloved
• 12:44
  is,
• 12:45
  although
• 12:46
  it
• 12:46
  is
• 12:46
  not
• 12:47
  appearing
• 12:47
  palpably
• 12:48
  in
• 12:49
  experience
• 12:49
  and
• 12:50
  perception.
• 12:50
  So
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  heart
• 12:51
  knows
• 12:51
  it
• 12:52
  without
• 12:52
  beholding
• 12:53
  it
• 12:53
  yet.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:54
  that's
• 12:54
  why
• 12:55
  it
• 12:55
  knows
• 12:55
  whether
• 12:56
  it's
• 12:56
  separate
• 12:56
  or
• 12:57
  not
• 12:57
  separate.
• 12:58
  And
• 12:58
  also
• 12:58
  the
• 12:59
  experience
• 12:59
  that
• 13:00
  many
• 13:00
  teachings
• 13:00
  talk
• 13:01
  about,
• 13:02
  getting
• 13:02
  near
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  far
• 13:04
  from
• 13:04
  the
• 13:05
  beloved,
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  experience
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  nearness.
• 13:07
  In
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  Sufi
• 13:08
  approach,
• 13:08
  nearness
• 13:08
  is
• 13:09
  a
• 13:09
  very
• 13:09
  important
• 13:10
  stage.
• 13:11
  The
• 13:11
  nearness
• 13:12
  to
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  inner
• 13:12
  glow,
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  nearness
• 13:13
  to
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  truth.
• 13:15
  Nearness
• 13:15
  brings
• 13:16
  in
• 13:16
  more
• 13:16
  gladness,
• 13:17
  more
• 13:17
  feeling
• 13:18
  of
• 13:18
  openness,
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  more
• 13:20
  sense
• 13:20
  of
• 13:21
  pleasure
• 13:21
  that
• 13:22
  you're
• 13:22
  getting
• 13:22
  close,
• 13:22
  you're
• 13:23
  getting
• 13:23
  near.
• 13:24
  You
• 13:24
  see,
• 13:24
  just
• 13:24
  feeling
• 13:25
  near
• 13:25
  to
• 13:26
  what
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  love
• 13:27
  is
• 13:27
  by
• 13:27
  itself
• 13:27
  pleasurable,
• 13:28
  you
• 13:29
  know,
• 13:29
  but
• 13:29
  then
• 13:30
  there
• 13:30
  is
• 13:30
  distance.
• 13:31
  So
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  get
• 13:32
  near.
• 13:32
  Sometimes
• 13:33
  things
• 13:33
  take
• 13:34
  you
• 13:34
  out.
• 13:34
  And
• 13:35
  here
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  Feel
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  need
• 13:37
  is
• 13:37
  getting
• 13:37
  less,
• 13:38
  I'm
• 13:39
  farther
• 13:39
  away.
• 13:40
  That's
• 13:40
  what
• 13:41
  inquiries
• 13:41
  you,
• 13:42
  what's
• 13:42
  making
• 13:42
  me
• 13:43
  far
• 13:43
  away.
• 13:44
  Not
• 13:44
  like
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  go
• 13:45
  and
• 13:46
  chant
• 13:46
  and
• 13:48
  pray.
• 13:48
  Some
• 13:49
  people
• 13:49
  do
• 13:49
  that.
• 13:50
  It
• 13:50
  hasn't
• 13:50
  been
• 13:50
  my
• 13:51
  way.
• 13:51
  I
• 13:52
  look
• 13:53
  into
• 13:53
  it.
• 13:53
  What
• 13:54
  is
• 13:54
  it?
• 13:54
  And
• 13:54
  then
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  found
• 13:55
  that
• 13:55
  I
• 13:56
  said
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  thing.
• 13:56
  Thing
• 13:57
  from
• 13:57
  history
• 13:58
  thing
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  belief
• 13:59
  system
• 13:59
  thing,
• 14:00
  you
• 14:01
  know,
• 14:01
  from
• 14:01
  the
• 14:02
  experiences
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  think
• 14:05
  are
• 14:05
  what
• 14:05
  I'm
• 14:07
  going
• 14:07
  after.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:08
  there
• 14:09
  are
• 14:09
  many
• 14:09
  perils
• 14:09
  and
• 14:10
  pitfalls
• 14:10
  in
• 14:10
  the
• 14:11
  path,
• 14:12
  any
• 14:13
  path.
• 14:13
  And
• 14:13
  the
• 14:14
  path
• 14:14
  of
• 14:14
  love
• 14:14
  is
• 14:15
  not
• 14:15
  different
• 14:16
  from
• 14:16
  that.
• 14:17
  So
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  path
• 14:18
  of
• 14:18
  love
• 14:18
  is
• 14:18
  not
• 14:18
  straightforward.
• 14:19
  You
• 14:20
  know,
• 14:21
  love
• 14:21
  zigzag
• 14:22
  up
• 14:22
  and
• 14:23
  down,
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  and
• 14:23
  out,
• 14:24
  and
• 14:24
  it
• 14:25
  goes
• 14:25
  on.
• 14:25
  And
• 14:26
  for
• 14:26
  me
• 14:26
  it
• 14:27
  lasts
• 14:27
  for
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  few
• 14:27
  years,
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  know,
• 14:29
  before
• 14:29
  the
• 14:29
  final.
• 14:30
  But.
• 14:30
  So
• 14:31
  it's
• 14:31
  called
• 14:31
  tajalli,
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  emergence
• 14:34
  and
• 14:34
  the
• 14:35
  distancing.
• 14:36
  We
• 14:37
  can
• 14:37
  experience
• 14:37
  that
• 14:38
  as
• 14:39
  pain.
• 14:39
  I
• 14:39
  would
• 14:39
  imagine
• 14:40
  existential
• 14:41
  pain
• 14:41
  in
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  soul.
• 14:42
  Like
• 14:43
  something's
• 14:43
  missing.
• 14:44
  This
• 14:44
  is
• 14:45
  not
• 14:45
  right.
• 14:45
  What's
• 14:46
  in
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  way?
• 14:46
  What
• 14:46
  do
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  have
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  do?
• 14:47
  Yeah,
• 14:48
  distancing.
• 14:49
  The
• 14:49
  response
• 14:50
  to
• 14:50
  distancing
• 14:51
  is
• 14:51
  a
• 14:51
  sense
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  loss.
• 14:53
  Pain.
• 14:54
  Yes.
• 14:55
  And
• 14:56
  tears.
• 14:57
  Crying.
• 14:59
  Deep
• 14:59
  hot
• 15:00
  tears.
• 15:02
  Crying
• 15:03
  like
• 15:04
  you've
• 15:05
  been
• 15:05
  abandoned.
• 15:06
  The
• 15:07
  one
• 15:07
  you
• 15:07
  love
• 15:07
  most.
• 15:09
  So
• 15:09
  it
• 15:09
  feels
• 15:10
  like
• 15:10
  that,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  know.
• 15:11
  Yes.
• 15:11
  As
• 15:12
  if
• 15:12
  you
• 15:12
  are
• 15:12
  dealing
• 15:13
  with
• 15:13
  a
• 15:14
  human
• 15:14
  love,
• 15:14
  but
• 15:14
  there's
• 15:15
  not
• 15:15
  a
• 15:15
  human
• 15:15
  love.
• 15:15
  But
• 15:16
  like,
• 15:16
  where
• 15:17
  did
• 15:17
  it
• 15:17
  go?
• 15:17
  You
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:19
  what
• 15:19
  made
• 15:19
  me?
• 15:20
  Why
• 15:20
  did
• 15:20
  it
• 15:20
  throw
• 15:21
  me
• 15:21
  out?
• 15:22
  Why
• 15:22
  did
• 15:22
  it
• 15:22
  push
• 15:23
  me
• 15:23
  away?
• 15:23
  What
• 15:24
  did
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  do?
• 15:24
  What
• 15:25
  happened?
• 15:25
  You
• 15:25
  know?
• 15:26
  Because
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  mind
• 15:27
  has
• 15:27
  many
• 15:28
  things
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  comes
• 15:29
  in
• 15:30
  the
• 15:30
  way
• 15:30
  that
• 15:31
  beliefs
• 15:31
  and
• 15:32
  ideas
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  reaction,
• 15:34
  relationship
• 15:35
  from
• 15:35
  the
• 15:35
  past.
• 15:36
  And
• 15:36
  all
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  these
• 15:37
  things
• 15:37
  come
• 15:37
  in
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  way
• 15:38
  of
• 15:38
  the
• 15:39
  path
• 15:39
  of
• 15:39
  love.
• 15:39
  Because
• 15:39
  the
• 15:40
  heart
• 15:40
  is
• 15:41
  patterned
• 15:41
  by
• 15:42
  our
• 15:42
  history,
• 15:43
  especially
• 15:44
  our
• 15:44
  history
• 15:44
  of
• 15:45
  love.
• 15:46
  We
• 15:46
  have
• 15:47
  long
• 15:47
  history,
• 15:48
  a
• 15:48
  story
• 15:48
  of
• 15:49
  love
• 15:49
  with
• 15:49
  all
• 15:49
  that
• 15:50
  imprinted
• 15:50
  in
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  heart.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  heart
• 15:52
  need
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  be
• 15:52
  emptied
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  all
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  that.
• 15:54
  You
• 15:54
  get
• 15:54
  emptied,
• 15:55
  all
• 15:55
  of
• 15:55
  that.
• 15:55
  Not
• 15:56
  in
• 15:56
  my
• 15:56
  path.
• 15:57
  Not
• 15:58
  by
• 15:58
  just
• 16:01
  through
• 16:01
  the
• 16:01
  inquiry.
• 16:02
  I
• 16:03
  recognize
• 16:04
  it.
• 16:04
  And
• 16:05
  it
• 16:05
  dissolves
• 16:06
  and
• 16:06
  reveals
• 16:07
  another
• 16:07
  layer
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  dissolves
• 16:09
  until
• 16:11
  the
• 16:11
  heart
• 16:11
  gets
• 16:12
  emptier
• 16:12
  and
• 16:12
  emptier,
• 16:13
  purer
• 16:14
  and
• 16:14
  purer.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  when
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  say
• 16:16
  heart,
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  mean
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  heart
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  soul,
• 16:17
  which
• 16:18
  is
• 16:18
  like
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  whole.
• 16:19
  It's
• 16:19
  not
• 16:19
  like
• 16:19
  a
• 16:19
  little
• 16:20
  thing
• 16:20
  in
• 16:21
  the
• 16:21
  chest,
• 16:22
  open,
• 16:23
  expansive,
• 16:23
  big.
• 16:25
  And
• 16:25
  once
• 16:25
  you've
• 16:26
  had
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  taste
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  this
• 16:27
  inner
• 16:28
  beloved,
• 16:28
  I
• 16:29
  think
• 16:29
  that
• 16:29
  just
• 16:30
  gets
• 16:30
  more
• 16:30
  painful
• 16:31
  when
• 16:32
  you're
• 16:32
  not
• 16:32
  there.
• 16:33
  Because
• 16:33
  you
• 16:34
  know
• 16:34
  there's
• 16:34
  something
• 16:35
  beyond,
• 16:35
  beyond
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  you
• 16:37
  have
• 16:37
  experienced
• 16:38
  that
• 16:38
  you
• 16:39
  are.
• 16:39
  And
• 16:40
  you're
• 16:40
  not
• 16:40
  experiencing
• 16:41
  it.
• 16:41
  You're
• 16:41
  getting
• 16:41
  farther
• 16:42
  away
• 16:42
  from
• 16:42
  that.
• 16:42
  Has
• 16:42
  to
• 16:42
  be
• 16:43
  a
• 16:43
  lot
• 16:43
  of
• 16:43
  suffering
• 16:43
  involved
• 16:44
  in
• 16:44
  that.
• 16:44
  And
• 16:45
  perhaps
• 16:45
  that's
• 16:45
  Part
• 16:45
  of
• 16:45
  the
• 16:46
  path.
• 16:46
  Yeah.
• 16:47
  In
• 16:47
  fact,
• 16:47
  many
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  my
• 16:48
  students
• 16:49
  come
• 16:49
  and
• 16:49
  say
• 16:50
  they
• 16:50
  had
• 16:50
  some
• 16:51
  taste,
• 16:51
  some
• 16:51
  experience
• 16:52
  or
• 16:52
  something,
• 16:53
  surprised
• 16:54
  them,
• 16:55
  loved
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  and
• 16:56
  so
• 16:57
  wonderful.
• 16:58
  And
• 16:59
  they
• 16:59
  don't
• 16:59
  have
• 16:59
  accurate.
• 17:00
  They
• 17:00
  don't
• 17:00
  know
• 17:00
  what
• 17:00
  happened.
• 17:01
  They
• 17:01
  want
• 17:01
  to
• 17:02
  work
• 17:02
  to
• 17:03
  regain
• 17:03
  that.
• 17:05
  So
• 17:07
  many
• 17:08
  people
• 17:08
  are
• 17:09
  moved
• 17:10
  in
• 17:10
  that
• 17:10
  direction
• 17:11
  because
• 17:11
  of
• 17:11
  some
• 17:12
  encounter.
• 17:13
  Can
• 17:13
  be.
• 17:14
  Most
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  time
• 17:14
  it's
• 17:15
  a
• 17:15
  partial
• 17:15
  encounter,
• 17:16
  of
• 17:16
  course,
• 17:16
  can't
• 17:16
  be
• 17:17
  called
• 17:17
  complete
• 17:18
  encounter.
• 17:18
  Complete
• 17:19
  encounter
• 17:19
  will
• 17:19
  be
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  realization
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  full
• 17:21
  beyond
• 17:21
  holding.
• 17:22
  But
• 17:22
  the
• 17:23
  path
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  heart,
• 17:24
  as
• 17:24
  I
• 17:26
  use
• 17:26
  a
• 17:26
  Sufi
• 17:27
  metaphor,
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  don't
• 17:28
  know
• 17:28
  which
• 17:28
  Sufi
• 17:28
  which
• 17:29
  is
• 17:29
  the.
• 17:30
  When
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  make
• 17:30
  shish
• 17:31
  kebab,
• 17:31
  you
• 17:32
  turn
• 17:32
  the
• 17:32
  meat
• 17:33
  one
• 17:33
  side
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  another.
• 17:34
  He
• 17:35
  says
• 17:35
  the
• 17:36
  way
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  heart
• 17:36
  is
• 17:37
  like
• 17:37
  that,
• 17:37
  like
• 17:37
  tending
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  meat
• 17:38
  one
• 17:39
  side
• 17:39
  on
• 17:39
  it
• 17:39
  burns
• 17:40
  one
• 17:40
  side
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  burns
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  other
• 17:41
  side.
• 17:42
  The
• 17:42
  burn
• 17:42
  one
• 17:43
  hot
• 17:43
  one
• 17:43
  side.
• 17:44
  It
• 17:44
  keep
• 17:44
  cooking
• 17:45
  until
• 17:45
  it's
• 17:46
  completely
• 17:46
  cooked.
• 17:48
  Okay.
• 17:51
  And
• 17:51
  would
• 17:52
  you.
• 17:52
  I
• 17:53
  have
• 17:53
  a
• 17:53
  couple
• 17:53
  questions
• 17:54
  are
• 17:54
  coming
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  mind,
• 17:54
  Hameed.
• 17:55
  One
• 17:55
  is,
• 17:56
  would
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  describe
• 17:57
  this
• 17:58
  experience
• 17:58
  of
• 17:59
  being
• 17:59
  bereft
• 18:00
  and
• 18:00
  having
• 18:01
  lost
• 18:02
  contact
• 18:02
  with
• 18:02
  the
• 18:03
  beloved
• 18:03
  as
• 18:04
  a
• 18:04
  variant
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  dark
• 18:05
  night
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  the
• 18:06
  soul.
• 18:06
  And
• 18:07
  second,
• 18:07
  I'm
• 18:07
  wondering,
• 18:08
  you
• 18:08
  talk
• 18:08
  about,
• 18:09
  you
• 18:09
  know,
• 18:09
  you
• 18:09
  work
• 18:09
  with
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  lot
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  students,
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  know,
• 18:11
  on
• 18:12
  this
• 18:12
  path.
• 18:13
  What
• 18:13
  are
• 18:13
  some
• 18:13
  of
• 18:13
  the
• 18:14
  most
• 18:14
  common
• 18:14
  misunderstandings
• 18:15
  that
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  find
• 18:17
  people
• 18:17
  have?
• 18:18
  Well,
• 18:18
  I
• 18:19
  mean,
• 18:19
  there
• 18:19
  are
• 18:19
  two
• 18:19
  kind
• 18:20
  misunderstandings
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  happens
• 18:22
  that
• 18:22
  can
• 18:22
  put
• 18:23
  somebody
• 18:23
  astray.
• 18:25
  One
• 18:25
  is
• 18:26
  attributing
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  love
• 18:27
  to
• 18:27
  an
• 18:28
  external
• 18:28
  thing,
• 18:29
  person
• 18:30
  or
• 18:30
  activity
• 18:31
  and
• 18:31
  object.
• 18:32
  The
• 18:32
  other
• 18:33
  misunderstanding
• 18:35
  is
• 18:35
  taking
• 18:35
  one
• 18:36
  manifestation
• 18:37
  of
• 18:37
  spirit
• 18:38
  and
• 18:39
  believing
• 18:39
  that's
• 18:39
  it.
• 18:41
  Many
• 18:41
  manifestations.
• 18:42
  Spirit.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:44
  this
• 18:44
  is
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  source
• 18:44
  of
• 18:45
  all
• 18:45
  of
• 18:45
  them.
• 18:46
  They
• 18:46
  are
• 18:46
  beloved.
• 18:47
  Yeah.
• 18:49
  So
• 18:50
  one
• 18:50
  thing
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  wanted
• 18:51
  to
• 18:51
  mention
• 18:51
  here.
• 18:52
  We
• 18:52
  were
• 18:53
  talking
• 18:53
  about
• 18:53
  the
• 18:54
  path
• 18:54
  of
• 18:54
  love.
• 18:56
  One
• 18:56
  part
• 18:57
  of
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  path
• 18:57
  of
• 18:57
  love
• 18:58
  is
• 18:58
  not
• 18:59
  only
• 19:00
  the
• 19:00
  longing,
• 19:00
  the
• 19:01
  yearning,
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  heartache
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  pain,
• 19:04
  the
• 19:04
  emptiness
• 19:04
  and
• 19:05
  all
• 19:05
  that.
• 19:06
  But
• 19:06
  all
• 19:06
  along
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  path,
• 19:07
  there
• 19:08
  are
• 19:08
  also
• 19:09
  the
• 19:11
  love,
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  sweetness,
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  passion,
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  ecstasy
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  the
• 19:16
  drunkenness.
• 19:17
  And
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  mean,
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  get,
• 19:20
  you
• 19:21
  know,
• 19:21
  closer.
• 19:22
  The
• 19:22
  closer
• 19:22
  you
• 19:22
  get
• 19:22
  to
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  nearness.
• 19:24
  Make
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  feel
• 19:25
  all
• 19:26
  full
• 19:26
  of
• 19:26
  joy,
• 19:27
  full
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  love.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:28
  there
• 19:28
  is
• 19:28
  a
• 19:29
  surrender
• 19:29
  and
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  melting
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  the
• 19:31
  heart.
• 19:31
  And
• 19:31
  there
• 19:31
  are
• 19:31
  many
• 19:31
  stages
• 19:32
  of
• 19:33
  melting.
• 19:34
  Surrender,
• 19:35
  sweetness,
• 19:36
  effulgence,
• 19:38
  fullness,
• 19:39
  and,
• 19:39
  you
• 19:39
  know,
• 19:40
  radiance.
• 19:41
  All
• 19:41
  these
• 19:42
  things
• 19:42
  that
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  heart
• 19:43
  has
• 19:44
  many
• 19:44
  flavors,
• 19:45
  have
• 19:45
  many.
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  mean,
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  could
• 19:47
  talk
• 19:47
  about
• 19:47
  different
• 19:48
  kind
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  love
• 19:48
  or
• 19:49
  different
• 19:49
  expression
• 19:50
  of
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  heart,
• 19:51
  but
• 19:51
  it's
• 19:52
  all
• 19:52
  mixed
• 19:52
  together.
• 19:53
  They're
• 19:53
  all
• 19:54
  threads
• 19:55
  of
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  same
• 19:56
  thing.
• 19:56
  The
• 19:56
  yearning
• 19:56
  and
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  pain
• 19:57
  and
• 19:57
  the
• 19:58
  separation
• 19:58
  also
• 19:59
  intertwined
• 20:00
  with
• 20:01
  nearness
• 20:02
  and
• 20:03
  closeness
• 20:04
  and
• 20:04
  moving
• 20:05
  intimacy
• 20:06
  and,
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  know,
• 20:07
  and
• 20:07
  pleasure
• 20:08
  and
• 20:08
  delight.
• 20:08
  But
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  melting
• 20:09
  and
• 20:11
  melting
• 20:12
  and
• 20:12
  passion
• 20:13
  are
• 20:13
  two
• 20:14
  kind,
• 20:14
  two
• 20:16
  opposite
• 20:16
  kind
• 20:16
  of
• 20:17
  way.
• 20:17
  In
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  way
• 20:17
  the
• 20:18
  heart,
• 20:18
  a
• 20:19
  passionate
• 20:19
  desire,
• 20:20
  passionate
• 20:21
  longing,
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  know,
• 20:22
  which
• 20:23
  has
• 20:23
  love
• 20:23
  in
• 20:23
  it.
• 20:24
  An
• 20:24
  intense,
• 20:25
  powerful
• 20:26
  love.
• 20:27
  Or
• 20:27
  the
• 20:28
  melting,
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  heart
• 20:28
  melts
• 20:29
  and
• 20:29
  dissolves
• 20:30
  and
• 20:30
  sort
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  becomes
• 20:32
  open.
• 20:34
  Letting.
• 20:35
  Go
• 20:35
  of
• 20:35
  everything
• 20:36
  and
• 20:37
  all
• 20:37
  holding
• 20:38
  and
• 20:38
  all
• 20:38
  restrictions
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  limitation
• 20:41
  and
• 20:41
  beliefs
• 20:42
  and
• 20:42
  ideas.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:44
  so
• 20:44
  in
• 20:44
  the
• 20:45
  mind,
• 20:45
  we
• 20:45
  say,
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  mind
• 20:46
  gets
• 20:46
  clear,
• 20:46
  the
• 20:47
  heart
• 20:47
  melts.
• 20:50
  Well,
• 20:50
  that's
• 20:50
  a
• 20:50
  beautiful
• 20:51
  comparison.
• 20:52
  Now,
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  mean,
• 20:53
  I'm
• 20:54
  wanting
• 20:54
  to
• 20:55
  ask
• 20:55
  about
• 20:55
  the
• 20:56
  larger
• 20:56
  picture
• 20:57
  here.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  is
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  feels
• 20:59
  like
• 20:59
  our
• 20:59
  current
• 21:00
  society,
• 21:01
  our
• 21:01
  culture,
• 21:02
  even
• 21:02
  our
• 21:02
  civilization
• 21:03
  is
• 21:03
  so
• 21:04
  far
• 21:04
  from
• 21:05
  this
• 21:05
  vision
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  love.
• 21:07
  And
• 21:07
  I
• 21:07
  wonder
• 21:07
  how
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  see
• 21:09
  contemporary
• 21:10
  society
• 21:11
  and
• 21:12
  its
• 21:12
  many
• 21:12
  discontents
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  light
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  this
• 21:15
  vision
• 21:15
  of
• 21:16
  love.
• 21:16
  Worsening
• 21:17
  of
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  usual
• 21:18
  condition?
• 21:20
  Well,
• 21:21
  it's
• 21:22
  usually.
• 21:22
  I
• 21:23
  mean,
• 21:23
  the
• 21:23
  Sufi
• 21:23
  said
• 21:24
  it
• 21:24
  for
• 21:24
  a
• 21:25
  long
• 21:25
  time,
• 21:25
  humanity
• 21:26
  is
• 21:26
  asleep,
• 21:27
  usual
• 21:28
  condition.
• 21:29
  All
• 21:30
  throughout,
• 21:30
  all
• 21:30
  times,
• 21:31
  not
• 21:31
  just
• 21:31
  now.
• 21:32
  And
• 21:33
  Gurdjieff
• 21:33
  said,
• 21:34
  man
• 21:35
  is
• 21:35
  a
• 21:35
  machine,
• 21:36
  meaning
• 21:36
  it's
• 21:37
  automatic.
• 21:37
  Other
• 21:38
  automatic,
• 21:39
  nothing
• 21:40
  real
• 21:40
  organic,
• 21:41
  so
• 21:42
  nothing
• 21:42
  new
• 21:43
  about
• 21:43
  that.
• 21:44
  However,
• 21:44
  in
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  last
• 21:46
  few
• 21:46
  decades,
• 21:47
  I
• 21:47
  will
• 21:47
  say
• 21:47
  since
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  last
• 21:48
  century,
• 21:49
  things
• 21:49
  seamless
• 21:50
  throughout
• 21:50
  human
• 21:51
  society
• 21:51
  and
• 21:51
  all
• 21:51
  around
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  world,
• 21:53
  not
• 21:53
  just
• 21:53
  in
• 21:53
  this
• 21:53
  country,
• 21:55
  it
• 21:55
  seems
• 21:55
  there
• 21:56
  is
• 21:56
  more.
• 21:57
  The
• 21:57
  other
• 21:57
  side
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  the
• 21:58
  heart.
• 21:59
  The
• 21:59
  division
• 22:00
  instead
• 22:00
  of
• 22:00
  unity,
• 22:01
  the
• 22:02
  enmity
• 22:03
  instead
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  friendliness,
• 22:05
  hatred
• 22:06
  instead
• 22:06
  of
• 22:07
  love,
• 22:08
  you
• 22:08
  know,
• 22:08
  aggression
• 22:10
  instead
• 22:10
  of
• 22:11
  kindness.
• 22:12
  It
• 22:13
  seems
• 22:13
  like
• 22:13
  the
• 22:14
  more
• 22:15
  survival
• 22:16
  and
• 22:16
  animalistic
• 22:17
  nature
• 22:18
  is
• 22:18
  becoming
• 22:19
  dominant
• 22:20
  now.
• 22:21
  And,
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  know,
• 22:22
  not
• 22:23
  everybody,
• 22:24
  not
• 22:24
  everywhere,
• 22:26
  but
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  seems
• 22:27
  more
• 22:27
  there,
• 22:28
  more
• 22:29
  out
• 22:29
  there
• 22:29
  than
• 22:30
  it
• 22:30
  has
• 22:30
  been.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  part
• 22:31
  of
• 22:32
  it
• 22:32
  is
• 22:32
  that
• 22:32
  many
• 22:32
  people
• 22:33
  feel
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  the
• 22:34
  past,
• 22:34
  I
• 22:35
  think
• 22:35
  those
• 22:35
  things
• 22:35
  were
• 22:36
  there,
• 22:36
  they
• 22:37
  were
• 22:37
  somehow
• 22:37
  hidden
• 22:38
  or
• 22:38
  submerged
• 22:39
  or
• 22:40
  now
• 22:40
  they
• 22:41
  are
• 22:41
  giving
• 22:41
  permission,
• 22:42
  even
• 22:43
  courage,
• 22:44
  as
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  cross
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  as
• 22:47
  violent
• 22:47
  as
• 22:48
  possible.
• 22:49
  People
• 22:50
  feel
• 22:50
  the
• 22:50
  permission
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  do
• 22:51
  that,
• 22:52
  which
• 22:52
  is
• 22:52
  sort
• 22:52
  of
• 22:53
  really,
• 22:53
  you
• 22:53
  know,
• 22:54
  I
• 22:54
  mean,
• 22:55
  it
• 22:55
  happened
• 22:55
  in
• 22:55
  some
• 22:55
  societies
• 22:56
  before,
• 22:56
  but
• 22:57
  this
• 22:57
  is
• 22:57
  unusual
• 22:58
  for
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  Western
• 23:00
  society.
• 23:03
  Hameed,
• 23:04
  do
• 23:04
  you
• 23:04
  think
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  eventually
• 23:05
  we'll
• 23:05
  all
• 23:05
  get
• 23:06
  there?
• 23:06
  What
• 23:06
  do
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  mean,
• 23:06
  get
• 23:07
  there?
• 23:07
  Get
• 23:08
  this
• 23:08
  realization
• 23:08
  of
• 23:09
  who
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  what
• 23:09
  we
• 23:09
  truly
• 23:10
  are.
• 23:11
  Is
• 23:11
  that
• 23:11
  something
• 23:11
  that
• 23:12
  just
• 23:12
  has
• 23:12
  to
• 23:13
  happen
• 23:13
  because
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  nature
• 23:14
  of
• 23:14
  things?
• 23:15
  Because
• 23:15
  it's
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  very,
• 23:16
  very
• 23:16
  positive
• 23:17
  vision
• 23:17
  of
• 23:18
  reality.
• 23:18
  It
• 23:19
  is
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  nature
• 23:19
  of
• 23:20
  the
• 23:20
  soul.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  soul
• 23:22
  will
• 23:22
  get
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  know
• 23:24
  itself,
• 23:24
  to
• 23:25
  know
• 23:25
  its
• 23:25
  true
• 23:25
  nature.
• 23:27
  To
• 23:28
  me,
• 23:28
  it's
• 23:28
  inner
• 23:29
  beloved.
• 23:30
  It
• 23:30
  is
• 23:30
  inherent
• 23:31
  in
• 23:32
  it.
• 23:32
  It's
• 23:32
  sort
• 23:33
  of
• 23:33
  like
• 23:33
  an
• 23:33
  evolutionary
• 23:35
  process.
• 23:36
  It's
• 23:37
  true
• 23:37
  for
• 23:37
  all
• 23:37
  human,
• 23:39
  however,
• 23:40
  not
• 23:40
  many.
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  mean,
• 23:43
  there
• 23:43
  are
• 23:44
  many
• 23:44
  who
• 23:44
  are
• 23:45
  engaged
• 23:45
  in
• 23:45
  that
• 23:46
  path,
• 23:46
  but
• 23:47
  not
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  majority
• 23:48
  of
• 23:48
  humanity.
• 23:48
  Not
• 23:48
  the
• 23:49
  greatest
• 23:49
  percentage.
• 23:50
  And
• 23:51
  throughout
• 23:51
  history,
• 23:51
  not
• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  greatest
• 23:52
  percentage.
• 23:53
  People
• 23:53
  are
• 23:54
  basically,
• 23:55
  from
• 23:55
  hand
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  mouth,
• 23:56
  trying
• 23:56
  to
• 23:56
  survive
• 23:57
  that's
• 23:58
  part
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  it,
• 23:58
  you
• 23:59
  know,
• 23:59
  survival.
• 24:00
  People
• 24:00
  need
• 24:00
  to
• 24:01
  survive.
• 24:02
  But
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  think
• 24:04
  recently
• 24:04
  is
• 24:04
  not
• 24:05
  only
• 24:05
  survival,
• 24:06
  but
• 24:06
  survival
• 24:06
  at
• 24:07
  all.
• 24:07
  Means
• 24:07
  and
• 24:08
  being
• 24:08
  better,
• 24:09
  more
• 24:09
  powerful
• 24:10
  and
• 24:11
  richer.
• 24:12
  The
• 24:12
  materialism
• 24:13
  is
• 24:14
  expanded.
• 24:15
  The
• 24:15
  Western
• 24:16
  culture,
• 24:16
  protein
• 24:17
  materialism
• 24:17
  made
• 24:18
  it
• 24:18
  important,
• 24:19
  which
• 24:20
  helped
• 24:20
  our
• 24:20
  situation
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  great
• 24:22
  deal
• 24:22
  by
• 24:22
  developing
• 24:23
  our
• 24:23
  science
• 24:24
  and
• 24:24
  medicine,
• 24:25
  all
• 24:25
  of
• 24:25
  that.
• 24:26
  But
• 24:26
  also
• 24:27
  had
• 24:27
  a
• 24:27
  materialistic
• 24:28
  approach,
• 24:29
  which
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  outer,
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  material,
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  concrete
• 24:34
  became
• 24:34
  more
• 24:34
  important,
• 24:35
  like
• 24:36
  somebody's
• 24:37
  cell
• 24:37
  phone,
• 24:37
  more
• 24:37
  important
• 24:38
  than
• 24:38
  their
• 24:38
  heart,
• 24:39
  for
• 24:39
  instance.
• 24:40
  And
• 24:40
  that
• 24:41
  development,
• 24:41
  recent
• 24:42
  development,
• 24:44
  started,
• 24:44
  I
• 24:44
  think
• 24:44
  the
• 24:45
  industrial
• 24:46
  revolution
• 24:47
  got
• 24:48
  worse
• 24:48
  and
• 24:48
  worse.
• 24:49
  And
• 24:49
  now
• 24:50
  we
• 24:50
  are
• 24:50
  at
• 24:50
  a
• 24:51
  crossroad
• 24:51
  where
• 24:52
  things
• 24:52
  can
• 24:54
  get
• 24:54
  even
• 24:54
  worse.
• 24:56
  You
• 24:56
  say,
• 24:56
  are
• 24:56
  we
• 24:57
  ultimately
• 24:57
  going
• 24:58
  to
• 24:58
  get
• 24:58
  there?
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  think
• 25:00
  yes.
• 25:00
  But
• 25:01
  when
• 25:01
  you
• 25:01
  say
• 25:01
  ultimately,
• 25:03
  how
• 25:03
  many
• 25:03
  years
• 25:03
  you
• 25:04
  thinking
• 25:05
  how
• 25:05
  many
• 25:06
  millions?
• 25:07
  A
• 25:07
  whole
• 25:07
  bunch?
• 25:07
  Yeah,
• 25:08
  a
• 25:08
  lot.
• 25:09
  It's
• 25:09
  that
• 25:09
  soon.
• 25:10
  Some
• 25:10
  people
• 25:10
  say,
• 25:11
  I
• 25:12
  know.
• 25:12
  Some
• 25:12
  people
• 25:13
  ask
• 25:13
  me
• 25:13
  some
• 25:13
  interview,
• 25:14
  they
• 25:14
  say,
• 25:14
  well,
• 25:15
  do
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  think
• 25:15
  we,
• 25:16
  you
• 25:16
  know,
• 25:16
  this
• 25:17
  is
• 25:17
  sort
• 25:17
  of,
• 25:18
  we're
• 25:19
  gonna
• 25:19
  rebound
• 25:20
  and
• 25:20
  get
• 25:20
  to
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  other
• 25:21
  side?
• 25:22
  Several
• 25:23
  times
• 25:23
  throughout
• 25:24
  my
• 25:24
  life
• 25:24
  think
• 25:25
  crisis
• 25:25
  happen
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  then
• 25:26
  people
• 25:26
  saying,
• 25:27
  oh,
• 25:27
  maybe
• 25:28
  they'll
• 25:28
  wake
• 25:28
  up
• 25:28
  a
• 25:28
  humanity.
• 25:30
  None
• 25:30
  of
• 25:30
  it
• 25:30
  woke
• 25:31
  up
• 25:31
  humanity.
• 25:32
  Some
• 25:32
  people
• 25:33
  woke
• 25:33
  up,
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  majority
• 25:35
  did
• 25:35
  it.
• 25:36
  So
• 25:37
  I
• 25:37
  don't
• 25:38
  think
• 25:38
  this
• 25:38
  thing
• 25:38
  is
• 25:39
  going
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  wake
• 25:39
  up
• 25:39
  a
• 25:39
  humanity.
• 25:41
  No
• 25:42
  humanity.
• 25:42
  I
• 25:43
  don't
• 25:43
  know.
• 25:43
  But
• 25:44
  I
• 25:44
  don't
• 25:44
  know
• 25:44
  if
• 25:44
  anything
• 25:45
  can
• 25:45
  wake
• 25:45
  up
• 25:45
  humanity
• 25:46
  as
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  whole.
• 25:47
  Jesus
• 25:47
  couldn't
• 25:48
  do
• 25:48
  it.
• 25:48
  No.
• 25:48
  Jesus
• 25:49
  said,
• 25:49
  many
• 25:49
  are
• 25:49
  called,
• 25:49
  but
• 25:50
  few
• 25:50
  are
• 25:50
  chosen.
• 25:51
  Yeah,
• 25:51
  Buddha
• 25:52
  couldn't
• 25:52
  do
• 25:52
  it.
• 25:53
  Nobody
• 25:53
  could
• 25:53
  have
• 25:53
  done
• 25:53
  it.
• 25:54
  I
• 25:54
  don't
• 25:55
  know
• 25:55
  if
• 25:55
  there's
• 25:55
  any
• 25:56
  external
• 25:56
  force
• 25:57
  that
• 25:57
  can
• 25:57
  do
• 25:58
  it.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  mean,
• 25:59
  humanity
• 26:01
  is
• 26:01
  an
• 26:01
  evolution
• 26:02
  of
• 26:02
  process.
• 26:04
  The
• 26:04
  soul
• 26:04
  is
• 26:04
  evolving
• 26:05
  and
• 26:05
  each
• 26:06
  human
• 26:06
  being
• 26:06
  in
• 26:07
  a
• 26:07
  different
• 26:07
  place
• 26:07
  in
• 26:07
  their
• 26:08
  evolution.
• 26:09
  We're
• 26:09
  not
• 26:09
  all
• 26:10
  equally
• 26:10
  the
• 26:11
  same
• 26:11
  place.
• 26:12
  Different
• 26:13
  people
• 26:13
  are
• 26:14
  evolving
• 26:14
  in
• 26:15
  different
• 26:16
  way,
• 26:16
  different
• 26:16
  pace,
• 26:17
  different
• 26:17
  level
• 26:18
  of
• 26:18
  evolution.
• 26:19
  But
• 26:19
  it
• 26:19
  is
• 26:20
  our
• 26:20
  potential.
• 26:21
  You
• 26:21
  know,
• 26:22
  the
• 26:22
  interesting
• 26:23
  thing,
• 26:23
  you
• 26:24
  know,
• 26:24
  that
• 26:24
  the
• 26:25
  materialistic
• 26:26
  culture
• 26:26
  doesn't
• 26:26
  understand,
• 26:28
  which
• 26:28
  is
• 26:28
  we
• 26:28
  have
• 26:30
  a
• 26:30
  spiritual
• 26:31
  potential.
• 26:32
  Materialistic
• 26:33
  culture,
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  outer
• 26:35
  thing,
• 26:35
  the
• 26:35
  physical
• 26:35
  thing,
• 26:36
  is
• 26:36
  really
• 26:37
  most
• 26:38
  fundamental.
• 26:40
  Spiritual
• 26:40
  people
• 26:41
  know
• 26:41
  that's
• 26:41
  not
• 26:42
  true,
• 26:43
  that
• 26:43
  there
• 26:43
  is
• 26:44
  something
• 26:44
  in
• 26:45
  the
• 26:45
  inner
• 26:45
  ness
• 26:46
  deep
• 26:47
  within
• 26:48
  our
• 26:49
  heart
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  soul
• 26:50
  that
• 26:51
  is
• 26:52
  more
• 26:52
  fundamental.
• 26:53
  That
• 26:53
  is
• 26:53
  where
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  beauty
• 26:54
  is,
• 26:55
  where
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  true
• 26:56
  beauty
• 26:56
  is,
• 26:56
  where
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  true
• 26:57
  riches
• 26:58
  of
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  human
• 27:00
  being
• 27:00
  are.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:05
  so
• 27:07
  some
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  us
• 27:07
  wake
• 27:08
  up
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  it
• 27:08
  to
• 27:09
  one
• 27:09
  degree
• 27:09
  or
• 27:09
  another,
• 27:10
  and
• 27:10
  few
• 27:11
  of
• 27:11
  us
• 27:11
  wake
• 27:11
  up
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  long
• 27:13
  way.
• 27:13
  You
• 27:13
  know,
• 27:15
  hopefully
• 27:15
  all
• 27:15
  the
• 27:15
  three
• 27:16
  of
• 27:16
  us
• 27:16
  will
• 27:16
  be
• 27:18
  awake
• 27:19
  enough
• 27:20
  by
• 27:21
  the
• 27:21
  end
• 27:21
  of
• 27:21
  our
• 27:22
  life.
• 27:22
  So
• 27:23
  when
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  end
• 27:25
  comes,
• 27:26
  we
• 27:26
  feel
• 27:27
  no
• 27:27
  regret
• 27:29
  done.
• 27:30
  And
• 27:30
  that's
• 27:30
  quite
• 27:31
  a
• 27:31
  practice
• 27:31
  unto
• 27:31
  itself
• 27:32
  to
• 27:33
  live
• 27:34
  so
• 27:34
  as
• 27:34
  to
• 27:35
  not
• 27:36
  have
• 27:36
  regrets.
• 27:38
  Well,
• 27:38
  Yes,
• 27:39
  I
• 27:39
  mean
• 27:39
  that
• 27:40
  not
• 27:41
  only
• 27:41
  regrets
• 27:43
  and
• 27:43
  the
• 27:44
  path
• 27:46
  that
• 27:46
  is
• 27:47
  in
• 27:47
  this
• 27:47
  teaching.
• 27:47
  I
• 27:48
  usually
• 27:48
  give
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  teaching
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  gave
• 27:50
  it.
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  said
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  best
• 27:51
  preparation
• 27:52
  for
• 27:54
  death
• 27:55
  is
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  fulfilled
• 27:56
  life.
• 27:57
  Fulfilled
• 27:58
  life
• 27:58
  is
• 27:59
  both
• 27:59
  inwardly
• 28:00
  and
• 28:00
  outwardly.
• 28:01
  You
• 28:01
  have
• 28:03
  modicum
• 28:03
  of
• 28:04
  comfortable
• 28:06
  life,
• 28:06
  you
• 28:06
  know,
• 28:07
  somewhat
• 28:07
  easy,
• 28:08
  not
• 28:08
  too
• 28:09
  taxing
• 28:09
  and
• 28:10
  painful
• 28:11
  and
• 28:12
  health
• 28:12
  wise
• 28:13
  and
• 28:13
  all
• 28:13
  that.
• 28:13
  And
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  have
• 28:14
  an
• 28:14
  inner
• 28:14
  richness.
• 28:17
  Both
• 28:17
  are
• 28:18
  fulfilled.
• 28:19
  There's
• 28:19
  a
• 28:19
  fulfillment
• 28:20
  like
• 28:20
  you
• 28:20
  feel
• 28:21
  you
• 28:21
  don't
• 28:21
  want
• 28:22
  anything
• 28:22
  more.
• 28:24
  Everything
• 28:24
  that
• 28:24
  the
• 28:25
  soul
• 28:25
  wants
• 28:26
  is
• 28:26
  already
• 28:26
  here
• 28:29
  and
• 28:29
  then
• 28:30
  you're
• 28:31
  ready
• 28:31
  to
• 28:31
  die
• 28:31
  any
• 28:31
  moment.
• 28:33
  Death
• 28:33
  is
• 28:33
  not
• 28:34
  seen
• 28:34
  as
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  problem.
• 28:35
  It's
• 28:35
  like
• 28:36
  just
• 28:36
  one
• 28:36
  of
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  things
• 28:37
  that
• 28:37
  happens
• 28:38
  and
• 28:38
  there
• 28:39
  will
• 28:39
  be
• 28:39
  no
• 28:39
  regret.
• 28:40
  Some
• 28:40
  people
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  know,
• 28:41
  even
• 28:41
  some
• 28:42
  of
• 28:42
  my
• 28:42
  students,
• 28:42
  very
• 28:43
  advanced,
• 28:43
  when
• 28:43
  I
• 28:44
  want
• 28:44
  to
• 28:44
  live
• 28:44
  longer
• 28:46
  and
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  still
• 28:47
  have
• 28:48
  something
• 28:48
  not
• 28:48
  finished.
• 28:50
  You
• 28:50
  see,
• 28:51
  most
• 28:51
  people,
• 28:51
  that's
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  situation
• 28:53
  for
• 28:53
  me.
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  don't
• 28:54
  have
• 28:54
  those
• 28:55
  feelings.
• 28:56
  I've
• 28:57
  been
• 28:57
  finished
• 28:57
  a
• 28:57
  long
• 28:57
  time
• 28:58
  ago,
• 29:00
  you
• 29:00
  see,
• 29:00
  I
• 29:00
  could
• 29:01
  have
• 29:01
  gone
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  long
• 29:01
  time
• 29:02
  ago.
• 29:02
  I
• 29:03
  think
• 29:03
  of
• 29:03
  my
• 29:03
  time
• 29:03
  now
• 29:04
  as
• 29:04
  a
• 29:04
  bonus.
• 29:04
  I
• 29:05
  don't
• 29:05
  know
• 29:05
  why.
• 29:05
  Maybe
• 29:06
  it's
• 29:06
  not
• 29:06
  for
• 29:06
  me,
• 29:07
  you
• 29:08
  know.
• 29:08
  But
• 29:10
  whatever
• 29:11
  it
• 29:11
  is
• 29:11
  that
• 29:11
  my
• 29:12
  soul
• 29:12
  wants,
• 29:14
  it
• 29:15
  has
• 29:16
  been
• 29:17
  realized.
• 29:18
  And
• 29:18
  it's
• 29:19
  possible.
• 29:19
  I'm
• 29:20
  saying
• 29:20
  this,
• 29:20
  I'm
• 29:20
  saying
• 29:20
  this
• 29:21
  not
• 29:21
  just
• 29:21
  about
• 29:21
  me,
• 29:22
  because
• 29:22
  it's
• 29:22
  possible
• 29:22
  for
• 29:23
  any
• 29:23
  human
• 29:23
  being.
• 29:24
  That
• 29:24
  is
• 29:24
  what
• 29:24
  is
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  true
• 29:26
  fulfillment.
• 29:26
  So
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  true
• 29:28
  fulfillment,
• 29:29
  which
• 29:29
  is.
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  differ
• 29:31
  from
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  Eastern
• 29:32
  approaches
• 29:33
  where
• 29:33
  they
• 29:33
  think,
• 29:34
  you
• 29:34
  know,
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  enlightenment
• 29:36
  is
• 29:36
  getting
• 29:36
  out
• 29:37
  of
• 29:37
  this
• 29:37
  life,
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  be
• 29:38
  away
• 29:38
  from
• 29:39
  this
• 29:39
  life
• 29:39
  and
• 29:39
  leave
• 29:40
  it
• 29:40
  and
• 29:40
  not
• 29:40
  come
• 29:40
  back.
• 29:41
  For
• 29:42
  me,
• 29:42
  no,
• 29:42
  the
• 29:43
  true
• 29:43
  fulfillment
• 29:44
  is
• 29:44
  to
• 29:45
  do
• 29:45
  that,
• 29:45
  what
• 29:45
  they
• 29:45
  say,
• 29:46
  the
• 29:47
  inner
• 29:47
  enlightenment.
• 29:48
  But
• 29:48
  life
• 29:49
  itself
• 29:49
  has
• 29:49
  to
• 29:50
  fulfill
• 29:50
  its
• 29:51
  purpose.
• 29:51
  Life
• 29:51
  is.
• 29:52
  We're
• 29:52
  not
• 29:52
  here
• 29:52
  in
• 29:52
  life
• 29:53
  just
• 29:53
  to
• 29:53
  get
• 29:53
  enlightened.
• 29:54
  We're
• 29:54
  here
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  live,
• 29:56
  to
• 29:56
  live
• 29:56
  fully
• 29:57
  and
• 29:57
  learn
• 29:57
  from
• 29:58
  it.
• 29:58
  And
• 29:59
  one
• 30:00
  important
• 30:00
  thing
• 30:00
  we
• 30:01
  learn
• 30:01
  is
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  inner
• 30:02
  world.
• 30:05
  And
• 30:05
  you're
• 30:05
  bringing
• 30:06
  to
• 30:06
  mind
• 30:06
  for
• 30:07
  me,
• 30:07
  Hameed
• 30:07
  Abraham
• 30:08
  Maslow's
• 30:09
  distinction
• 30:09
  between
• 30:09
  deficiency
• 30:10
  needs
• 30:11
  based
• 30:11
  on
• 30:11
  a
• 30:11
  sense
• 30:12
  of
• 30:12
  lack
• 30:12
  and
• 30:12
  longing
• 30:14
  versus
• 30:14
  sufficiency.
• 30:15
  A
• 30:15
  kind
• 30:16
  of
• 30:16
  sense
• 30:16
  of
• 30:16
  overflowing,
• 30:17
  of
• 30:17
  fullness.
• 30:18
  And
• 30:18
  clearly
• 30:19
  you're
• 30:19
  coming
• 30:20
  from
• 30:21
  beautiful
• 30:22
  sufficiency.
• 30:24
  And
• 30:25
  yet
• 30:25
  you're
• 30:26
  also,
• 30:26
  you
• 30:27
  know,
• 30:28
  it
• 30:28
  hasn't
• 30:29
  stopped
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  flow
• 30:29
  of
• 30:30
  creative
• 30:31
  contribution,
• 30:31
  which
• 30:32
  is
• 30:32
  wonderful.
• 30:33
  Well,
• 30:33
  you
• 30:33
  still
• 30:34
  have
• 30:34
  compassion,
• 30:35
  right?
• 30:36
  I
• 30:36
  mean,
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  still
• 30:36
  care
• 30:36
  about
• 30:37
  the
• 30:37
  rest
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  us
• 30:37
  who
• 30:37
  are
• 30:38
  maybe
• 30:38
  not
• 30:38
  as
• 30:39
  far
• 30:39
  along
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  road.
• 30:40
  Oh
• 30:40
  yes.
• 30:41
  Well,
• 30:42
  I
• 30:42
  mean
• 30:43
  our
• 30:43
  condition
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  realization
• 30:44
  that
• 30:45
  are
• 30:45
  very
• 30:45
  paradoxical
• 30:46
  in
• 30:46
  some
• 30:47
  sense.
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  feel
• 30:48
  it
• 30:48
  doesn't
• 30:48
  matter
• 30:48
  what
• 30:48
  happened.
• 30:49
  At
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  same
• 30:49
  time,
• 30:50
  I
• 30:50
  care
• 30:50
  for
• 30:50
  people.
• 30:52
  You
• 30:53
  see,
• 30:53
  whatever
• 30:54
  happens,
• 30:54
  happens.
• 30:55
  You
• 30:55
  know,
• 30:55
  it's
• 30:56
  not
• 30:56
  in
• 30:57
  my
• 30:57
  Personal
• 30:58
  hands
• 30:58
  to
• 30:59
  change
• 30:59
  it.
• 30:59
  But
• 30:59
  existential
• 31:00
  fear
• 31:00
  is
• 31:00
  no
• 31:01
  longer
• 31:01
  there.
• 31:02
  No,
• 31:02
  I'm
• 31:03
  not.
• 31:03
  No,
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  don't
• 31:04
  have
• 31:04
  fear
• 31:04
  of
• 31:04
  death,
• 31:04
  for
• 31:05
  instance.
• 31:05
  Yeah.
• 31:06
  As
• 31:06
  far
• 31:06
  as
• 31:06
  I
• 31:07
  know,
• 31:07
  I
• 31:07
  don't
• 31:07
  know.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:11
  also,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:12
  part
• 31:13
  of
• 31:13
  what
• 31:13
  happened
• 31:13
  in
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  past
• 31:14
  when
• 31:14
  you
• 31:15
  get
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  the
• 31:16
  like
• 31:16
  the
• 31:16
  inner
• 31:17
  beloved
• 31:17
  and
• 31:18
  other
• 31:18
  realization
• 31:18
  we
• 31:19
  talked
• 31:19
  about,
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  individual
• 31:21
  self
• 31:21
  is
• 31:21
  gone.
• 31:22
  There's
• 31:22
  no
• 31:22
  more
• 31:23
  self.
• 31:23
  No,
• 31:24
  no.
• 31:24
  The
• 31:24
  ego
• 31:24
  self
• 31:25
  does
• 31:26
  not
• 31:26
  only
• 31:26
  become
• 31:27
  secondary
• 31:28
  or
• 31:28
  become
• 31:29
  so
• 31:30
  not
• 31:30
  the
• 31:30
  main
• 31:30
  thing.
• 31:31
  It's
• 31:31
  actually
• 31:32
  gone.
• 31:33
  It
• 31:33
  does
• 31:34
  not
• 31:34
  exist.
• 31:34
  Some
• 31:35
  people
• 31:35
  think
• 31:36
  realization
• 31:37
  is
• 31:37
  I
• 31:37
  am
• 31:37
  aware
• 31:38
  and
• 31:39
  then
• 31:39
  there
• 31:39
  is
• 31:40
  when
• 31:40
  I
• 31:40
  need
• 31:41
  to
• 31:41
  function
• 31:41
  and
• 31:42
  then
• 31:42
  I
• 31:42
  become
• 31:42
  an
• 31:43
  individual
• 31:43
  function.
• 31:44
  Oh,
• 31:44
  that's
• 31:45
  only
• 31:45
  half
• 31:45
  the
• 31:46
  realization.
• 31:47
  The
• 31:47
  full
• 31:47
  realization
• 31:48
  that
• 31:49
  all
• 31:49
  traces
• 31:50
  of
• 31:50
  inner
• 31:51
  self
• 31:51
  and
• 31:51
  all
• 31:52
  parts
• 31:52
  of
• 31:52
  history
• 31:53
  and
• 31:53
  all
• 31:53
  the
• 31:53
  impression
• 31:54
  of
• 31:54
  it
• 31:54
  are
• 31:54
  all
• 31:55
  dissolved.
• 31:56
  The
• 31:56
  heart
• 31:57
  is
• 31:57
  one
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  things
• 31:57
  that
• 31:58
  dissolves
• 31:58
  many
• 31:58
  of
• 31:59
  these
• 31:59
  things.
• 31:59
  Because
• 31:59
  the
• 32:00
  heart
• 32:00
  is
• 32:00
  a
• 32:01
  big
• 32:01
  part
• 32:01
  of
• 32:01
  what
• 32:02
  gets
• 32:02
  conditioned,
• 32:03
  what
• 32:03
  get
• 32:03
  impressed,
• 32:04
  what
• 32:04
  get
• 32:05
  patterned
• 32:05
  by
• 32:06
  experience.
• 32:07
  You
• 32:07
  mentioned
• 32:08
  in
• 32:08
  this
• 32:08
  book
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  death
• 32:09
  wish.
• 32:10
  And
• 32:10
  we're
• 32:10
  not
• 32:10
  talking
• 32:10
  about
• 32:10
  the,
• 32:11
  you
• 32:11
  know,
• 32:12
  wanting
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  suicide
• 32:13
  or
• 32:13
  die
• 32:14
  in
• 32:14
  a
• 32:14
  glorious
• 32:14
  battle,
• 32:15
  but
• 32:16
  wanting
• 32:16
  to
• 32:17
  completely
• 32:17
  dissolve
• 32:18
  into
• 32:18
  the
• 32:18
  beloved.
• 32:20
  Yeah.
• 32:21
  At
• 32:21
  that
• 32:21
  time
• 32:21
  I
• 32:22
  was
• 32:22
  playing
• 32:22
  when
• 32:23
  the
• 32:23
  movie
• 32:23
  is
• 32:23
  death
• 32:23
  wish
• 32:24
  1
• 32:24
  2,
• 32:25
  remember?
• 32:26
  Yes,
• 32:26
  I
• 32:26
  do.
• 32:27
  Shows
• 32:28
  our
• 32:28
  age,
• 32:28
  right?
• 32:29
  That
• 32:29
  time.
• 32:29
  Yeah.
• 32:30
  When
• 32:30
  I
• 32:30
  was
• 32:31
  teaching
• 32:31
  that,
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  know,
• 32:33
  so
• 32:33
  I
• 32:33
  was
• 32:33
  using
• 32:34
  expression.
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  used
• 32:35
  many
• 32:36
  expressions
• 32:36
  there
• 32:36
  that
• 32:37
  are
• 32:37
  known
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  popular
• 32:38
  to
• 32:39
  give
• 32:39
  them
• 32:39
  a
• 32:39
  different
• 32:40
  meaning.
• 32:40
  Meaning
• 32:41
  that
• 32:41
  has
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  do
• 32:41
  more
• 32:42
  with
• 32:42
  the
• 32:42
  inner
• 32:43
  path
• 32:43
  of
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  heart.
• 32:45
  We
• 32:45
  will
• 32:45
  talk
• 32:45
  in
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  next
• 32:46
  meeting
• 32:46
  about
• 32:47
  the
• 32:47
  dark
• 32:48
  night
• 32:48
  of
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  soul,
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  poverty
• 32:50
  of
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  heart,
• 32:50
  the
• 32:51
  inner
• 32:51
  poverty,
• 32:51
  all
• 32:52
  these
• 32:52
  things,
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  stages
• 32:53
  and
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  beloved
• 32:54
  itself.
• 32:55
  Yeah.
• 32:56
  And
• 32:56
  amid,
• 32:57
  as
• 32:57
  we
• 32:57
  come
• 32:57
  towards
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  end
• 32:58
  here,
• 32:59
  as
• 32:59
  the
• 33:00
  writing
• 33:01
  and
• 33:01
  teaching
• 33:02
  of
• 33:02
  the
• 33:02
  path
• 33:03
  of
• 33:03
  love,
• 33:03
  which
• 33:03
  sounds
• 33:04
  as
• 33:04
  though
• 33:04
  it
• 33:04
  happened
• 33:05
  after
• 33:05
  your
• 33:06
  own
• 33:07
  very
• 33:07
  profound
• 33:08
  realization
• 33:09
  of
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  path.
• 33:10
  Has
• 33:10
  that
• 33:11
  changed
• 33:11
  things
• 33:12
  you
• 33:13
  or
• 33:14
  how
• 33:14
  has
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  affected
• 33:15
  you?
• 33:15
  What
• 33:15
  do
• 33:16
  you
• 33:16
  mean
• 33:16
  how
• 33:16
  has
• 33:16
  that
• 33:16
  affected
• 33:17
  me?
• 33:18
  Well,
• 33:18
  I
• 33:18
  don't
• 33:18
  know.
• 33:20
  I'm
• 33:21
  thinking
• 33:21
  that,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:22
  know,
• 33:22
  that
• 33:23
  just
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  engage
• 33:24
  in
• 33:24
  this
• 33:24
  dialogue
• 33:25
  is
• 33:25
  having
• 33:26
  effects
• 33:26
  on
• 33:27
  me.
• 33:27
  For
• 33:27
  example,
• 33:28
  I'm
• 33:29
  such
• 33:29
  a
• 33:29
  cerebral
• 33:30
  type,
• 33:30
  I'm
• 33:30
  operating
• 33:31
  out
• 33:31
  of
• 33:31
  the
• 33:31
  head
• 33:31
  center.
• 33:32
  This
• 33:32
  is
• 33:32
  the
• 33:32
  first
• 33:32
  time
• 33:33
  I've
• 33:33
  ever
• 33:33
  engaged
• 33:34
  and
• 33:34
  felt
• 33:34
  it's
• 33:34
  coming.
• 33:35
  It's
• 33:35
  an
• 33:35
  engagement
• 33:36
  from
• 33:36
  my
• 33:36
  heart
• 33:37
  center.
• 33:38
  So
• 33:38
  it's
• 33:39
  hard
• 33:39
  for
• 33:39
  me
• 33:39
  to
• 33:39
  imagine
• 33:40
  that
• 33:40
  your
• 33:41
  immersion
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  years
• 33:43
  of
• 33:43
  teaching
• 33:44
  this
• 33:44
  hasn't
• 33:45
  impacted
• 33:46
  and
• 33:46
  perhaps
• 33:47
  led
• 33:47
  to
• 33:47
  even
• 33:48
  further
• 33:48
  understandings
• 33:49
  in
• 33:49
  you.
• 33:49
  Yeah,
• 33:50
  of
• 33:50
  course.
• 33:50
  I
• 33:51
  mean,
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  mean,
• 33:52
  I
• 33:52
  mentioned
• 33:52
  part
• 33:53
  of
• 33:53
  it
• 33:53
  dissolving
• 33:54
  of
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  self
• 33:56
  and
• 33:57
  what
• 33:57
  takes
• 33:57
  place
• 33:57
  of
• 33:58
  that.
• 33:58
  And
• 33:59
  we
• 33:59
  talk
• 33:59
  about
• 34:00
  many
• 34:00
  dimensions
• 34:00
  of
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  what
• 34:01
  takes
• 34:02
  a
• 34:02
  place,
• 34:03
  the
• 34:03
  inner
• 34:03
  nature,
• 34:05
  what
• 34:05
  it
• 34:05
  is,
• 34:05
  how
• 34:05
  it
• 34:06
  manifests.
• 34:07
  And
• 34:07
  haven't
• 34:08
  written
• 34:08
  about
• 34:08
  all
• 34:09
  of
• 34:09
  them,
• 34:10
  written
• 34:10
  about
• 34:10
  some
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  them.
• 34:11
  And
• 34:12
  this
• 34:12
  path,
• 34:13
  for
• 34:13
  some
• 34:13
  reason
• 34:14
  has
• 34:14
  so
• 34:14
  many
• 34:14
  things,
• 34:15
  it
• 34:15
  keeps
• 34:16
  revealing
• 34:16
  itself.
• 34:17
  I'm
• 34:17
  not
• 34:17
  looking
• 34:17
  for
• 34:18
  them.
• 34:18
  It's
• 34:18
  not
• 34:18
  like
• 34:18
  I
• 34:19
  want
• 34:19
  anything
• 34:19
  more.
• 34:20
  They
• 34:21
  keep
• 34:21
  happening.
• 34:22
  That's
• 34:22
  why
• 34:22
  at
• 34:23
  some
• 34:23
  point
• 34:23
  I'm
• 34:23
  gonna
• 34:24
  do,
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  think,
• 34:25
  a
• 34:25
  series
• 34:26
  of
• 34:27
  what
• 34:27
  happens
• 34:27
  after
• 34:28
  enlightenment.
• 34:29
  Yeah,
• 34:30
  nobody
• 34:31
  talks
• 34:31
  about
• 34:31
  that.
• 34:31
  You
• 34:32
  get
• 34:32
  enlightened,
• 34:32
  you
• 34:33
  sit
• 34:33
  there.
• 34:33
  That's
• 34:34
  what
• 34:34
  people
• 34:34
  think.
• 34:35
  You
• 34:35
  just
• 34:36
  sit
• 34:36
  in
• 34:36
  awareness.
• 34:37
  That's
• 34:37
  not
• 34:37
  what
• 34:37
  happens.
• 34:41
  There's
• 34:41
  life
• 34:42
  with
• 34:42
  interesting
• 34:44
  topography.
• 34:46
  That
• 34:46
  would
• 34:46
  be
• 34:47
  very
• 34:47
  important.
• 34:47
  Hameed.
• 34:47
  It
• 34:48
  seems
• 34:48
  like
• 34:48
  there
• 34:48
  are
• 34:49
  three
• 34:49
  families
• 34:50
  or
• 34:50
  paths,
• 34:51
  path
• 34:51
  descriptions.
• 34:52
  The
• 34:52
  most
• 34:53
  common
• 34:53
  are
• 34:53
  from
• 34:54
  beginning
• 34:54
  the
• 34:55
  path
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  some
• 34:56
  sort
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  realization
• 34:58
  or
• 34:58
  awakening,
• 34:58
  but
• 34:59
  as
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  temporary
• 34:59
  experience.
• 35:00
  Then
• 35:01
  there
• 35:01
  are
• 35:01
  fewer
• 35:01
  descriptions
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  process
• 35:03
  of
• 35:03
  stabilizing
• 35:04
  that
• 35:04
  into
• 35:05
  continuous
• 35:06
  either
• 35:06
  love
• 35:06
  or
• 35:07
  awareness
• 35:07
  or
• 35:07
  realization,
• 35:09
  but
• 35:10
  very
• 35:11
  little
• 35:11
  on
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  kind
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  post
• 35:12
  enlightenment
• 35:13
  stage
• 35:14
  you're
• 35:14
  describing.
• 35:15
  So
• 35:15
  that'd
• 35:15
  be
• 35:15
  a
• 35:16
  real
• 35:16
  contribution.
• 35:17
  Yeah,
• 35:18
  because
• 35:19
  it's
• 35:19
  not
• 35:20
  like
• 35:20
  somebody
• 35:20
  realize
• 35:21
  enlightened,
• 35:22
  they
• 35:22
  just
• 35:22
  sit
• 35:23
  in
• 35:23
  their
• 35:23
  state
• 35:24
  of
• 35:24
  realization.
• 35:25
  Not
• 35:26
  like
• 35:26
  the
• 35:26
  land
• 35:26
  of
• 35:26
  the
• 35:26
  lotus
• 35:27
  eaters.
• 35:27
  It
• 35:27
  doesn't
• 35:28
  happen
• 35:28
  that
• 35:28
  way
• 35:29
  for
• 35:29
  anybody.
• 35:31
  That's
• 35:31
  good.
• 35:31
  Okay.
• 35:32
  All
• 35:33
  right,
• 35:33
  good.
• 35:34
  Coming
• 35:34
  attractions,
• 35:35
  situations
• 35:36
  dynamic
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  creative.
• 35:38
  And
• 35:39
  true
• 35:39
  nature
• 35:39
  is
• 35:40
  inherently
• 35:41
  creative,
• 35:41
  dynamic
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  revealing
• 35:43
  further
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  further
• 35:44
  mysteries.
• 35:45
  It
• 35:45
  never
• 35:45
  stops.
• 35:48
  That's
• 35:48
  what
• 35:48
  we've
• 35:48
  noticed
• 35:49
  about
• 35:49
  you,
• 35:49
  Hameed.
• 35:52
  True
• 35:52
  nature
• 35:52
  hasn't
• 35:53
  finished
• 35:53
  with
• 35:53
  you
• 35:54
  yet.
• 35:57
  Hameed,
• 35:58
  is
• 35:58
  there
• 35:58
  anything
• 35:58
  you'd
• 35:59
  like
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  add
• 35:59
  before
• 36:00
  we
• 36:00
  come
• 36:00
  to
• 36:01
  a
• 36:01
  close?
• 36:01
  I
• 36:02
  think
• 36:02
  it's
• 36:03
  good
• 36:03
  we're
• 36:04
  focusing
• 36:04
  more
• 36:05
  on
• 36:05
  the
• 36:05
  heart
• 36:06
  and
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  way
• 36:06
  of
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  heart.
• 36:07
  And
• 36:08
  there
• 36:08
  are
• 36:08
  many
• 36:08
  ways
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  heart
• 36:09
  and
• 36:09
  not
• 36:10
  just
• 36:10
  one.
• 36:11
  And
• 36:11
  I'm
• 36:12
  presenting
• 36:13
  the
• 36:13
  way
• 36:13
  of
• 36:13
  the
• 36:13
  heart
• 36:14
  in
• 36:14
  this
• 36:14
  teaching,
• 36:15
  which
• 36:15
  is
• 36:15
  a
• 36:16
  particular
• 36:16
  way,
• 36:16
  which
• 36:17
  is
• 36:17
  more
• 36:17
  of
• 36:17
  a
• 36:17
  Western,
• 36:18
  actually,
• 36:19
  a
• 36:19
  combined
• 36:20
  Western
• 36:20
  and
• 36:20
  some
• 36:20
  Eastern
• 36:21
  survey
• 36:22
  thing.
• 36:22
  But
• 36:22
  it
• 36:23
  has
• 36:23
  in
• 36:23
  it
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  sensibilities
• 36:25
  of
• 36:26
  modern
• 36:27
  mind,
• 36:28
  modern
• 36:28
  life,
• 36:29
  and
• 36:30
  how
• 36:30
  to
• 36:31
  live
• 36:31
  it
• 36:31
  from
• 36:31
  the
• 36:32
  perspective
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  the
• 36:33
  heart.
• 36:33
  Because
• 36:34
  it's
• 36:35
  not
• 36:35
  like
• 36:35
  a
• 36:35
  way
• 36:35
  of
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  heart.
• 36:36
  You
• 36:36
  go
• 36:36
  off
• 36:37
  by
• 36:37
  yourself
• 36:37
  and
• 36:38
  isolate
• 36:39
  and
• 36:40
  become
• 36:40
  a
• 36:40
  hermit
• 36:41
  or
• 36:42
  get
• 36:42
  lost
• 36:42
  in
• 36:43
  a
• 36:43
  jungle
• 36:43
  or
• 36:44
  something
• 36:44
  like
• 36:44
  that.
• 36:44
  You
• 36:45
  live
• 36:45
  your
• 36:45
  life.
• 36:46
  How
• 36:46
  do
• 36:46
  you
• 36:46
  live
• 36:46
  your
• 36:47
  life
• 36:47
  and
• 36:48
  engage
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  way
• 36:49
  of
• 36:49
  the
• 36:49
  heart?
• 36:50
  That
• 36:50
  is,
• 36:51
  you
• 36:51
  know,
• 36:51
  an
• 36:52
  interesting
• 36:52
  and
• 36:53
  possible
• 36:54
  approach.
• 36:55
  And
• 36:55
  so
• 36:56
  there
• 36:56
  are
• 36:56
  many
• 36:56
  people
• 36:57
  that
• 36:57
  their
• 36:57
  orientation
• 36:58
  is
• 36:58
  a
• 36:59
  bhakti
• 36:59
  is
• 36:59
  heart
• 37:00
  orientation.
• 37:01
  And
• 37:01
  I
• 37:01
  want
• 37:02
  those
• 37:02
  people
• 37:02
  to
• 37:02
  know,
• 37:03
  yes,
• 37:03
  there
• 37:04
  is
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  way
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  address
• 37:05
  your
• 37:05
  longing,
• 37:06
  your
• 37:07
  love.
• 37:08
  There
• 37:08
  is
• 37:08
  a
• 37:09
  way
• 37:09
  it
• 37:09
  can
• 37:09
  complete
• 37:10
  itself.
• 37:10
  These
• 37:11
  books
• 37:11
  certainly
• 37:11
  do
• 37:11
  it.
• 37:12
  Love
• 37:12
  Unveiled,
• 37:13
  first,
• 37:14
  Nondual
• 37:15
  Love,
• 37:16
  second
• 37:16
  and
• 37:17
  the
• 37:17
  third,
• 37:17
  which
• 37:18
  is
• 37:18
  coming
• 37:18
  out
• 37:19
  as
• 37:19
  we
• 37:19
  speak,
• 37:19
  The
• 37:20
  Inner
• 37:20
  Beloved.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:21
  they're
• 37:21
  just
• 37:21
  a
• 37:21
  beautiful,
• 37:22
  beautiful
• 37:23
  overview
• 37:23
  of
• 37:24
  incredibly
• 37:24
  rich
• 37:25
  description
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  the
• 37:25
  path
• 37:26
  of
• 37:26
  love.
• 37:26
  So
• 37:27
  thank
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  so
• 37:27
  much,
• 37:27
  Hameed.
• 37:28
  Yeah.
• 37:29
  So
• 37:29
  hopefully
• 37:29
  next
• 37:30
  time
• 37:30
  we
• 37:30
  meet,
• 37:30
  we
• 37:31
  will
• 37:31
  have
• 37:31
  the...
• 37:34
  Thank
• 37:34
  you
• 37:34
  so
• 37:34
  much,
• 37:34
  Hameed.
• 37:35
  This
• 37:35
  means
• 37:35
  a
• 37:35
  lot
• 37:35
  to
• 37:36
  us.
• 37:37
  Thank
• 37:37
  you
• 37:37
  very
• 37:37
  much
• 37:38
  for
• 37:38
  being
• 37:38
  a
• 37:38
  part
• 37:39
  of
• 37:39
  this
• 37:39
  conversation.
• 37:40
  We
• 37:40
  hope
• 37:40
  that
• 37:40
  you
• 37:41
  were
• 37:41
  moved,
• 37:41
  as
• 37:42
  we
• 37:42
  are
• 37:42
  moved,
• 37:42
  being
• 37:43
  part
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  it
• 37:43
  ourselves.
• 37:44
  We'd
• 37:44
  also
• 37:45
  like
• 37:45
  to
• 37:45
  say
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  this
• 37:46
  is
• 37:46
  being
• 37:46
  funded
• 37:47
  by
• 37:47
  Roger
• 37:47
  and
• 37:48
  myself.
• 37:48
  It
• 37:48
  comes
• 37:48
  out
• 37:48
  of
• 37:48
  our
• 37:49
  pockets.
• 37:49
  So
• 37:49
  if
• 37:49
  you
• 37:49
  would
• 37:50
  like
• 37:50
  to
• 37:50
  help
• 37:50
  us
• 37:51
  to.
• 37:51
  Mainly
• 37:52
  to
• 37:52
  get
• 37:52
  this
• 37:52
  podcast
• 37:53
  out
• 37:53
  to
• 37:53
  more
• 37:53
  people,
• 37:54
  because
• 37:54
  the
• 37:54
  bigger
• 37:55
  audience
• 37:55
  have.
• 37:55
  Which
• 37:55
  is
• 37:55
  steadily
• 37:56
  growing,
• 37:56
  but
• 37:56
  the
• 37:57
  more
• 37:57
  people
• 37:57
  we
• 37:57
  can
• 37:57
  reach
• 37:57
  and
• 37:58
  the
• 37:58
  more
• 37:58
  marketing
• 37:58
  we
• 37:59
  can
• 37:59
  do,
• 37:59
  the
• 37:59
  more
• 38:00
  positive
• 38:00
  effect
• 38:00
  we
• 38:01
  can
• 38:01
  have
• 38:01
  on
• 38:01
  the
• 38:01
  world.
• 38:02
  So
• 38:02
  we've
• 38:02
  done
• 38:02
  that
• 38:02
  a
• 38:03
  couple
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  ways,
• 38:03
  but
• 38:03
  we'd
• 38:03
  like
• 38:04
  you
• 38:04
  to
• 38:04
  buy
• 38:04
  us
• 38:04
  a
• 38:05
  cup
• 38:05
  of
• 38:05
  coffee.
• 38:05
  Very
• 38:06
  simple.
• 38:06
  And
• 38:06
  I
• 38:06
  do
• 38:06
  that
• 38:07
  with
• 38:07
  podcasts
• 38:08
  that
• 38:08
  I
• 38:08
  support,
• 38:09
  and
• 38:09
  I
• 38:10
  find
• 38:10
  it
• 38:10
  very
• 38:10
  satisfying.
• 38:11
  So
• 38:11
  thank
• 38:11
  you
• 38:12
  for
• 38:12
  your
• 38:12
  help,
• 38:12
  thank
• 38:13
  you
• 38:13
  for
• 38:13
  your
• 38:13
  presence
• 38:13
  and
• 38:14
  thank
• 38:14
  you
• 38:14
  for
• 38:14
  all
• 38:14
  you
• 38:15
  are
• 38:15
  and
• 38:15
  all
• 38:15
  you
• 38:16
  do.