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Ohio State Football Live: The Latest On The Running Backs And Linebackers · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyet Tomorrow
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Speaker 1: Morning for Thursday Augus EF.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Tom Moore.
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Speaker 1: The Akron game in twenty three days, the gaming gets
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Speaker 1: misiated in one hundred and fourteen days. As always, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about this time of year. Even
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Speaker 1: more we'll get to the Jim Harbaugh news at some
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Speaker 1: point that the news that broke while we were at Ohio.
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Speaker 2: State for interviews.
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Speaker 1: To start with some of the stuff we learned on
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Speaker 1: Wednesday talking to Ohio State linebackers coach James Loler Nutis
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Speaker 1: and a number of the linebackers as well as I said,
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Speaker 1: running bass coach Carlos Laughlin and some of the running backs.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think maybe the thing that's most interesting
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Speaker 1: to me Tony Gurdaman is c J. Hicks has been
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Speaker 1: such a topic of conversation around the program since he
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Speaker 1: was a recruit, five star recruit.
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Speaker 2: You know, Mark Iffler dubbed him Captain Buckeye.
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Speaker 1: He was really a leader of that class, and he's been,
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Speaker 1: you know, a constant topic of conversation, and you know,
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Speaker 1: this year, it feels like, okay, now he's in line
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Speaker 1: to get on the field. But it feels like every
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Speaker 1: time we talk to someone about c J. Hicks, but
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Speaker 1: what CJ Hicks does, well, it's always the same answer,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, well, why don't you.
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Speaker 3: Just do that? Make the entire airplane out of it.
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Speaker 3: And that's something that Jim Knowls has talked about how
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Speaker 3: they're trying to find more ways to attack, and c J.
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Speaker 3: Hicks did say this group of linebackers is going to
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Speaker 3: have a lot more tackles for loss and sacks than
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Speaker 3: last year's and previous years and not no disrespect to
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Speaker 3: any of those guys, it's just the way they're going
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Speaker 3: to be attacking in year three with some very athletic linebackers.
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Speaker 4: One of the most insightful things was c J.
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Speaker 3: Hicks talking about what has kind of held him back
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Speaker 3: the first two years and he said he was just
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Speaker 3: trying to be perfect.
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Speaker 4: I think he said this year, I don't care, just go.
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Speaker 3: And that was something that James loriniis said, like we're
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Speaker 3: trying to get CJ.
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Speaker 4: Getting CJ to.
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Speaker 3: The point where don't worry about the mistakes necessarily, just
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Speaker 3: see it and trigger and go. And that's something that
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Speaker 3: it's it's funny that you have to be so perfect
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Speaker 3: and you can't. Sunny Styles is talking about you if
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Speaker 3: you one misstep and you're done, and c J. Hicks
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Speaker 3: is talking about I'm tired to be trying to be imperfect.
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Speaker 3: You just got to attack. And it's part of the
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Speaker 3: aggressive nature that they want to play, but also the
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Speaker 3: natural way that they want to play, where it starts
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Speaker 3: to come naturally and you're not doing as much thinking
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Speaker 3: and you're just playing.
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Speaker 4: And that's sounds like they're getting there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
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Speaker 1: It does feel like there's some significant progress, and you know,
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Speaker 1: they're talking about these guys in the way you would
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Speaker 1: sort of expect them to.
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Speaker 2: Be talking about them at this time.
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Speaker 1: Of year where there's been a lot of growth during
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Speaker 1: your third year in the program for both of those
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Speaker 1: guys now both guys who came in with a ton
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Speaker 1: of recruiting hype, and it has been an easier or
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Speaker 1: faster path of the fields regular playing time for Sunny Styles.
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Speaker 1: But both of those guys really now in year three,
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Speaker 1: it's wide open. It is in front of them for
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Speaker 1: them to take and I'm going to be interested to
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Speaker 1: see how much they really do.
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Speaker 2: Get C J. Hicks out there and have.
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Speaker 1: C j Hicks really do the stuff they're talking about
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Speaker 1: it because you know not you don't want to overthink.
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Speaker 1: That's something that you know, we've seen overly complicated Ohio
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Speaker 1: State defenses in the past where guys are just constantly
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Speaker 1: like calculating the high pot news of the triangle and
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Speaker 1: their brains and then the people are running past them.
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Speaker 1: We've seen that at various times over the years. You
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Speaker 1: also don't want to be just going full Lee Roy
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Speaker 1: Jenkins at all time. I mean, there's you know, there's
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Speaker 1: a balance there and obviously there's a little more nuance
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Speaker 1: to this than we're we're really laying out there.
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Speaker 4: But did they gets more nuanced in the world of
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Speaker 4: warcraft or whatever was that?
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Speaker 2: Where that was from?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, it was whatever whatever it was
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Speaker 1: from whatever Leroy was doing.
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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, there's a little more nuance to it than that.
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Speaker 1: But it's yeah, he Hicks to me is one of
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Speaker 1: the more interesting players because it feels like there's an
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Speaker 1: incredible spectrum of what he could be.
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Speaker 2: This year you asked him, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, what is what is a what was it fifty snaps?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is a what does a full day
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Speaker 2: of work for CJ.
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Speaker 3: Hicks look like so lots of tackles, tackles for loss
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Speaker 3: and sacks and that's that's his thing. And he said
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Speaker 3: he's got a knack for getting to the quarterback.
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Speaker 4: He has.
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Speaker 3: Some of it is just that's where when you're on
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Speaker 3: the attack, you just react to much in front of you.
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Speaker 3: When you're being attacked, you have to kind of where
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Speaker 3: am I supposed to be? What kind of step am
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Speaker 3: I supposed to take? Gets there's more thinking to it,
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Speaker 3: but you're forcing when you're attacking, you're forcing others to react.
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Speaker 3: And I think he's very good at that. And they
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Speaker 3: seemed very comfortable. We're talking to it.
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Speaker 2: Very very much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always been, you know, very comfortable, very mature guy,
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Speaker 1: and you know so, I think he's someone who I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of Ohio State fans would really dearly.
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Speaker 2: Love to see a have a good year this year.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we're talking about the linebackers in an
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Speaker 1: appropriate order because James Lenardis was asked, who's the most
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Speaker 1: complete linebacker?
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Speaker 2: Oh, Cody Simon.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Cody Simon has never been the guy to
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Speaker 1: get the headlines. He did not he you know, he
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Speaker 1: was you know, he was not like a complete unknown
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Speaker 1: in recruiting by any means, but he also was not
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Speaker 1: the five star profile that everyone like, oh, look shiny
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Speaker 1: in recruiting, and he's been on the felt old at
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Speaker 1: Ohio State. He's got more starting experience at linebacker than
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Speaker 1: anyone else in at Ohio State the rest of the
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Speaker 1: team combined.
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Speaker 2: Really, he's very consistent, very reliable.
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Speaker 1: It's a player that you know, the coaching staff can't
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Speaker 1: say enough good things about. And then here we are
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Speaker 1: a couple of schnooks talking about all the other guys
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Speaker 1: in the room, the other the other potential starters this year,
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Speaker 1: and once again leaving Cody Simon for a third of
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Speaker 1: the potential start.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I think part of that is because he even though
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Speaker 3: he's a new starter from last year. I mean, he's
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Speaker 3: still started a handful of games last year even but
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Speaker 3: he's a known commodity and these others will get the
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Speaker 3: sunny styles probably in some point. These are the They
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Speaker 3: are shinier, that's for sure, but they're more unknown, and so.
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Speaker 4: We talked about them a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: But Cody, we've said it all along like they're they're
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Speaker 3: very confident in him, not necessarily any reason to have
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Speaker 3: concern And when we're talking in the preseason or in
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Speaker 3: the offseason, a lot of times they're talking about the concerns.
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Speaker 3: Where are the question marks. I don't think they have
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Speaker 3: any questions about him. I think part of that was
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Speaker 3: because he played very well last year. But I am
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Speaker 3: also interested to see how he does in being a leader,
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Speaker 3: probably a captain of this team, perhaps captain of this team,
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Speaker 3: and being the middle linebacker. And as James Ninas talked
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Speaker 3: about when he was asked about gay powers, is like
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Speaker 3: the the mic, whoever it is, has to be the
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Speaker 3: general of defense. They have to get everybody right. They
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Speaker 3: have to make sure everybody, they have to get the
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Speaker 3: defensive line right. You've got to make sure everybody is straight.
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Speaker 3: And he's got such a three year understanding of this
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Speaker 3: particular defense that they feel so comfortable. And it's you
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Speaker 3: know how they're allowed to have more coaches on the
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Speaker 3: field now. He is an extra coach on the field
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Speaker 3: as well, like literally on yeah, the field, literally on
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Speaker 3: the field.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And you know he will have the green dot this year,
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Speaker 1: so he's going to have that additional responsibility.
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Speaker 2: It just feels like every time we talk about C. J.
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Speaker 1: Hickson's athleticism and Sonny styles, it's freakish athleticism. With Cody Simon,
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Speaker 1: it's so reliable, so you know, so so consistent. It's
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Speaker 1: like all the all the words that are not the
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Speaker 1: exciting words that you put in the head you know,
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Speaker 1: the headline of a YouTube show, but it's all the
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Speaker 1: words that the coaching staff are going to you know,
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Speaker 1: like this is like the highest praise coach can give
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Speaker 1: you is reliable, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, consistent, Like this is the stuff this is.
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Speaker 1: You know, when we when we're talking about the running backs,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about the freshman running backs and
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what are they doing?
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Speaker 2: Oh they're doing this, they're doing that.
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Speaker 1: They got to work on their past blocking, you know,
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Speaker 1: you gotta and it's like, this is the stuff that
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Speaker 1: the coaches care about. Consistency, reliability, be able to be
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Speaker 1: a leader on the field.
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Speaker 2: That's the stuff the coaches care about.
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Speaker 3: When you read, yeah, when you retitle this show, just
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Speaker 3: talking like Cody Simon talks about his massive consistency.
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Speaker 2: Do I have to put massive.
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Speaker 4: In all caps? Yes? Yes you do?
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Speaker 1: Okay, uh, Let's we did talk good touch briefly on
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Speaker 1: Sidney Styles earlier, but you mentioned him, so let's let's
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Speaker 1: circle back to Sunny styles.
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Speaker 2: He is someone who has been on the field a
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Speaker 2: little bit more.
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Speaker 1: We saw him even as an early enrol league true freshman,
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Speaker 1: playing meaningful minutes in a season defining college football playoff
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Speaker 1: semi final games.
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Speaker 2: So he's like way ahead of the curve in terms
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Speaker 2: of getting on the field.
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Speaker 1: Played safety last year, had a very solid season, you know,
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Speaker 1: athletic enough to do it. But it has always sort
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Speaker 1: of felt like his ultimate destiny was a little closer
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Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage. Now he is going to
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Speaker 1: be a little closer to the line of scrimmage at
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Speaker 1: one at that will linebacker position.
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Speaker 2: He and CJ. Hick's sort of going to be sharing that.
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Speaker 2: I think to a certain degree.
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Speaker 1: He's someone who I'm really intrigued to see what this
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Speaker 1: looks like because it feels like, yeah, we've seen a
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Speaker 1: bunch of him, but now it feels like, boy, this
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Speaker 1: is where he's probably the most natural fit on this team.
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Speaker 1: And with the athleticism, with the awareness, all the other
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Speaker 1: stuff he brings, that's really an intriguing thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and James lon and Iis mentioned that in the
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Speaker 3: spring he had to learn to slow down and because
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Speaker 3: one misstep is going to ruin you. So he comes
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Speaker 3: from safety where you've got to you know, he's moving faster.
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Speaker 3: You've got to be more deliberate as a line. But
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Speaker 3: then and talking to Sony, he's like, yes, you have
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Speaker 3: to be more deliberate, but you have to get to
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Speaker 3: the point where you are natural.
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Speaker 4: And he's like, I'm still in practice.
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Speaker 3: You're trying to be deliberate so that you can be
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Speaker 3: deliberate in your film work. But you want to get
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Speaker 3: to the point where you're not necessarily thinking anymore. You're
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Speaker 3: just it's all comfortable, and you know, he's obviously very
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Speaker 3: comfortable doing this and getting more comfortable.
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Speaker 4: And he was asked about.
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Speaker 3: The the coverage aspects, like how do you feel about
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Speaker 3: covering tight ends and running backs. He's like, well, it
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Speaker 3: fits me more because I did not like having to
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Speaker 3: cover the four three receivers and the slot.
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Speaker 4: So's he's happy with that.
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Speaker 3: And he did say need no, no disrespect to the
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Speaker 3: tight ends because there's a lot of good tight ends out.
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Speaker 2: There, not a lot of four to three tight ends
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Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 3: But it feels much more comfortable doing that at linebacker
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Speaker 3: than in the slot, but then can also be as
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Speaker 3: Sam who can defend somebody out there. You know, if
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Speaker 3: if the need of rises, they can be multiple with
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Speaker 3: three linebackers if they want.
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Speaker 4: And also one of the interesting things that Sonny.
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Speaker 3: Said is that you mentioned how the Will and the
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Speaker 3: Nickel can kind of be similar at times, and so
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Speaker 3: he's learning about his position by also watching other people
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Speaker 3: make mistakes and like filing that away, like don't do that,
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Speaker 3: and so that was interesting.
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Speaker 1: Don't do what Donnie don't does the other some of
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Speaker 1: the younger linebackers. I'm kind of zipping through in my
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Speaker 1: head what we heard about guy's life. Gay, Yeah, gay
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Speaker 1: powers and uh Peyton Peers and Peers and get Garrett Stover.
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Speaker 1: Why don't you hit I want to get to Garrett
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Speaker 1: Stover later because I thought James ll Notice had.
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Speaker 2: An interesting answer in him. But what's stood out to
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Speaker 2: you some of the other ones.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was asked about Peyton Piers, James lord
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Speaker 3: Nidis was and he just said, like, he's he is
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Speaker 3: not behind. You know, he was out in the spring
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Speaker 3: with an injury, so he's he's right up to speed.
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Speaker 4: He's not behind.
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Speaker 3: He's playing playing Will right now, but as can they'll
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Speaker 3: get him to the point where.
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Speaker 4: He could play everything. But he's just downhill. He's tough.
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Speaker 3: He's very much in the mode that James laerniis you
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Speaker 3: would think would like, and that's what he is. He's
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Speaker 3: a gritty like as a downhill, physical player who has
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Speaker 3: fitted pretty well so far and as a pretty bright future.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means for this year, but
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Speaker 3: if you want to talk about Garrett Stover this year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Garrett Stover this year probably not going to be
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Speaker 1: a you know, fighting for the starting linebacker job kind
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Speaker 1: of position. But James Laureneia said, if Garret Stover's not
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Speaker 1: out on kickoff, something has gone terribly wrong.
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Speaker 2: Garrett Stover kind of fits the profile of.
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Speaker 1: The guy who's going to go out there and just
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Speaker 1: be an absolute assassin special teams. And you know, he's
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Speaker 1: one of those guys who I think we had looked
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Speaker 1: at and thought, yeah, he's probably gonna not red shirt
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Speaker 1: this year because he's going to be an absolute assassin
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Speaker 1: on special teams. And that is definitely what it sounds
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Speaker 1: like James Laurnitis is expecting there. He said, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's a Stover, which you know, that's kind of that's
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Speaker 1: like shorthand at Ohio State, for like, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna go a million miles an hour. He's going
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Speaker 1: to you know, he's going to be about an eight
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Speaker 1: out of ten on the pain don't Hurt scale.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: It just that that last name carries a certain expectation
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Speaker 1: around here, and that's it sounds like Garret Stover is
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Speaker 1: going to be living up to the family reputation.
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Speaker 4: He ain't got time to bleed.
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Speaker 1: No, and not not a not a brother of Kate Stover,
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Speaker 1: a cousin of Kate Stover. One other thing that I
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Speaker 1: thought as you were talking, I feel like we should
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Speaker 1: just sort of define our terms every once in a
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Speaker 1: while while we're talking about linebackers, you'll hear us talk
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Speaker 1: about Will and Mike and Sam. And Will is the
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Speaker 1: weak side linebacker, get it, because it starts with W.
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Speaker 2: Mike is the middle linebacker because it starts with an M.
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Speaker 2: Sam is the strong side linebacker, which starts with an S.
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Speaker 1: There you go, Uh, and Ohio State probably mostly going
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Speaker 1: to be playing in that four to two five defense
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Speaker 1: that you in the middle with the number of linebackers,
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Speaker 1: So that's mostly going to be your Will and your Mike.
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Speaker 1: So your weak side and middle week side is probably
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Speaker 1: going to be Sunny Styles c J.
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Speaker 2: Hicks.
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Speaker 1: Mike is probably going to be Tody Simony probably, but yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's less of a probably. There's really not
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Speaker 1: much of a probably on any of those. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I did like what CJ said about the Will position.
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Speaker 3: He said that him and Sonny are the same player basically,
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Speaker 3: and that they they talk about it to themselves, to
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Speaker 3: each other, like, we don't care who starts, as long
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Speaker 3: as both of us eat, and that's kind of how
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Speaker 3: we feel like as long as the media we're all
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Speaker 3: getting fed that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: It's more literal in our case, but in their case
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Speaker 2: it's more.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, they are. They don't care. They just both
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Speaker 3: want to play. And for CJ. Hicks, of course, like
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Speaker 3: this is his third year, nobody wants to be playing
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Speaker 3: more than he does. After waiting patiently and trying to
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Speaker 3: be perfect and now no longer, I'm with you, I
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Speaker 3: don't care about being perfect.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Excited.
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Speaker 1: Some of the episodes of this show a thousand something
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Speaker 1: episodes of PLUCKYE Week Clay, Yeah, it's probably too soon to.
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Speaker 2: Say whether we talk a perfection and I don't know, uh.
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Speaker 1: Someone else, you know, another position where there's going to
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Speaker 1: be some reps spread around and everyone's kind of okay
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Speaker 1: with it is running back. Carlos Laughlin got a chance
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Speaker 1: to uh talk Carlos Laughlin is such a fascint and
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Speaker 1: talk about talking about players, and you know he will
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Speaker 1: he will let you know. You know, he at one
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Speaker 1: point basically said he is confident in the players because
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Speaker 1: he knows that he can coach them to do what
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Speaker 1: they need to do. But also if they're not doing it,
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Speaker 1: then it's on him. It is his it is his
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Speaker 1: fault if they're not doing what they need to do.
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Speaker 1: But you know, with a Craban Henderson, with a Quinch
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Speaker 1: and jud kids, either of those guys would be running
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Speaker 1: back one on whatever team you want to mention in
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten, even the ones with the EA Sports cover.
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Speaker 1: Boys like those guys are probably starting at any of
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Speaker 1: the other seventeen Big Ten schools this year, So that's
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Speaker 1: going to be a really interesting thing to juggle. You know,
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Speaker 1: they probably want their numbers, they want the reps. They
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Speaker 1: also don't want to have too much you know, wear
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Speaker 1: and tear on their bodies as they head into it.
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Speaker 1: Should be, could be slash, should be their final college season.
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Speaker 1: So balancing that and balancing keeping everyone happy, keeping you know,
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Speaker 1: keeping the ball spread out, keeping everyone healthy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's going to be an interesting juggling act in there
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Speaker 1: this year.
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Speaker 3: Well, I asked coach lachlann about that. How do you
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Speaker 3: preach the the unselfishness but also preached the desire.
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Speaker 4: To I want the football?
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Speaker 3: And I believe the quote was they, well, I'll say,
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Speaker 3: they don't have any choice.
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Speaker 4: He's in charge, so they have to deal with it.
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Speaker 3: But the ownership that he takes out of that room,
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Speaker 3: he said, any mistake is on him, and he gets
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Speaker 3: like he said, he takes it personally when a coach
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Speaker 3: will critique one of his running backs, because it's like
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Speaker 3: that's then he has made a mistake. And he said,
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Speaker 3: he's like, coaches don't need to yell at players. They
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Speaker 3: can yell at me. That sort of thing.
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Speaker 4: That so I thought that was interesting.
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Speaker 3: He was asked, hey, are you comfortable with James Peoples
15:34
Speaker 3: and Sam Williams Dixon, the two freshmen running backs. He's like, well,
15:36
Speaker 3: I'm never comfortable, so but I am confident that they
15:40
Speaker 3: can play because I'm confident in my ability to coach.
15:43
Speaker 3: And so you know, those two guys, we got to
15:45
Speaker 3: talk to them as well, and we'll get to them.
15:46
Speaker 3: But he seems pretty happy with everything, and really, why
15:50
Speaker 3: wouldn't you. He was asked about, hey, could we maybe
15:54
Speaker 3: see you know, Caleb Downs' manch and he's like, yeah,
15:56
Speaker 3: that's not I'm not going there. That's not anything that
15:59
Speaker 3: I have anything to you about it. I have no
16:01
Speaker 3: say in that.
16:01
Speaker 4: One.
16:02
Speaker 1: Nice try though, that feels like a decision that's going
16:04
Speaker 1: to get made at a higher pay grade than his
16:06
Speaker 1: and his pay grade is pretty.
16:08
Speaker 2: High on the org chart here, so yeah, well we'll see.
16:11
Speaker 1: Well that might be a Jim Nobles decision more than
16:14
Speaker 1: Carlos Logan decision in some ways. But yeah, that's definitely,
16:18
Speaker 1: you know, definitely an interesting room because you've got it's
16:22
Speaker 1: such a short list, the only four scholarship guys. But also,
16:25
Speaker 1: boy that the top two is so so elite and
16:28
Speaker 1: the two freshmen are so intriguing that there's just and
16:31
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a couple of walk ons behind them.
16:33
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's there's a lot of interesting talent
16:35
Speaker 1: in this room that room and some sort of diverse
16:37
Speaker 1: talent where you know some guys are going to fit
16:39
Speaker 1: better in some situations than others. Some of the younger
16:42
Speaker 1: guys James, we talked new and shiny in the first half.
16:45
Speaker 1: Let's talk all about the new and shiny guys. James people,
16:47
Speaker 1: Sam Williams Dixon. Those guys are both I think at
16:53
Speaker 1: least as far ahead as I expected them to be
16:55
Speaker 1: at this point. And in Sam Williams Dixon K Dixon's case,
16:57
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe ahead of where I expect it
17:00
Speaker 1: to be right now. He looked very impressive, but it
17:03
Speaker 1: seems like this is you know, like like when we
17:05
Speaker 1: talk about the tight ends and it's like, oh wow,
17:07
Speaker 1: that guy could be an incredible pass catcher. Uh huh, sure,
17:09
Speaker 1: and then the coach. You talk to the coach, it's like, well,
17:11
Speaker 1: how's he blocking? And it's like it feels like.
17:13
Speaker 2: That's kind of the conversation around all these guys.
17:16
Speaker 1: It's not you know, with the ball in his hands, sure,
17:18
Speaker 1: with him out running a pass route.
17:20
Speaker 5: Sure.
17:20
Speaker 2: And this is true of everyone in that room, not
17:21
Speaker 2: just one guy. Great fantastic. How's he gonna do with
17:26
Speaker 2: picking up a blitz?
17:27
Speaker 4: Well?
17:28
Speaker 3: And that has been one of the points of emphasis
17:31
Speaker 3: the pass blocking, like everybody is very willing. Samley's Dixton
17:35
Speaker 3: did say it helps him know who you're supposed to block.
17:38
Speaker 2: That was like, you feel like that would be an
17:40
Speaker 2: important part of the process.
17:41
Speaker 3: So learning that and and that kind of goes into
17:45
Speaker 3: something else I asked him about where we've kind of
17:48
Speaker 3: seen him grow and get better in camp. We saw
17:51
Speaker 3: all four practices last week and he started making a
17:54
Speaker 3: name for himself, for he already has a name, he's
17:56
Speaker 3: got three of them, but he started to show up
17:58
Speaker 3: more and more, and I asked him about that. It
18:00
Speaker 3: goes back to, like you get to watch film and
18:03
Speaker 3: you get a better understanding of what you're doing, and boy, sure,
18:06
Speaker 3: sure is amazing when you know what you're doing, how
18:08
Speaker 3: easy it is to do it and look better at
18:10
Speaker 3: doing it. But so he's getting more and more comfortable,
18:12
Speaker 3: and it shows when we get to watch him run
18:15
Speaker 3: in between tackles and you know, making defenders miss, and
18:19
Speaker 3: he just seems very natural out there. And another guy
18:22
Speaker 3: that said the spring game was a real boost of
18:25
Speaker 3: confidence for him because he played pretty well and now
18:26
Speaker 3: and had a nice lung run in there, had a
18:28
Speaker 3: couple of long runs in there, but he is not.
18:31
Speaker 3: Neither of these guys, I don't know how much time
18:32
Speaker 3: you got spending. Either of them are talking like true freshmen.
18:36
Speaker 3: And by this point you are almost you almost are
18:39
Speaker 3: no longer true freshman since they've been here since January.
18:42
Speaker 2: Right, you've been here since January.
18:43
Speaker 1: But also you don't have the luxury being true you
18:45
Speaker 1: are you are part of the spare, in the parent
18:48
Speaker 1: of spare now, so you do not have the luxury
18:50
Speaker 1: of like I mean, take a gap year and then
18:53
Speaker 1: we'll see how backpack around Like, no, you gotta you
18:57
Speaker 1: got to backpack around the rest of.
18:59
Speaker 4: The big ten behind the quarterback.
19:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, that's definitely gonna be a you know,
19:05
Speaker 1: an interesting thing because they they we have seen the
19:08
Speaker 1: running from both those guys. James People's you know, Carlos
19:11
Speaker 1: Laughlan talked about pad level pad level James People seems
19:14
Speaker 1: like that's not an issue. It just he just runs
19:15
Speaker 1: so low to the ground and just real shift. He
19:18
Speaker 1: really exposed him. I like his running style a lot.
19:21
Speaker 1: Sam Williams Dixon I sort of anticipated like, okay, maybe
19:24
Speaker 1: he's the third down back, he's the you know, the what.
19:27
Speaker 2: Ronnie Harmon or Darren Sprolls. We can name Chargers running
19:30
Speaker 2: backs all day long if we want him.
19:32
Speaker 4: Jerry Anderson, Oregon State coach No A long time, A
19:36
Speaker 4: long time ago.
19:37
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, yes, Ladanni also a chargers.
19:40
Speaker 4: There you go.
19:41
Speaker 1: Uh, we'll talk, We'll we talk more about the chargers
19:43
Speaker 1: a little later on in the show.
19:44
Speaker 2: As it turns out, uh charges or chargers, yes, Uh.
19:48
Speaker 1: Sam Wayian's Dixon though, feels like he could be a
19:51
Speaker 1: guy out of that backfield his weapon, and I'm more
19:54
Speaker 1: impressed with him in terms of running like that has
19:56
Speaker 1: exceeded my expectations that the past element of his game
19:59
Speaker 1: has always felt like that might be where he could
20:01
Speaker 1: make an immediate impact. Carlos Laughlin said, thinking he thinks
20:06
Speaker 1: this whole running back you could be a bigger part
20:09
Speaker 1: of the passing game. And that's something that they're you know,
20:11
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, the quarterback staff, Chip Kelly, Ryan day.
20:14
Speaker 2: Ever emphasizing the quarterbacks check it down.
20:17
Speaker 1: That's fine because they've got some real talented guys who
20:20
Speaker 1: can do some damage in space.
20:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I for your third or fourth option is Quinn
20:24
Speaker 3: shown Judkins or Trey vent and Henderson. That's a first
20:28
Speaker 3: world problem. But as Lachlin said, he tells his running
20:32
Speaker 3: backs about catching the past. The edge of the dinosaur
20:33
Speaker 3: is over. You've got to do more than just one thing.
20:36
Speaker 3: And you mentioned how low James People's runs. I wrote
20:40
Speaker 3: it the other day. He's like low, like a roomba basically,
20:43
Speaker 3: and it's like bouncing off the couch, and you know, just.
20:46
Speaker 4: He's really really low and he does bounce around.
20:50
Speaker 3: And those two guys, I've been impressed with both. I
20:53
Speaker 3: expected to be impressed with James People's. I'm more than
20:56
Speaker 3: I expected to be more impressed than I expected to
20:58
Speaker 3: be with Sam Williams Dixon because we didn't get to
20:59
Speaker 3: see much from last year.
21:01
Speaker 1: We do have a super chat, which I want to
21:02
Speaker 1: get to in a second, but the same James People
21:04
Speaker 1: does not have a nickname yet as far as I'm aware,
21:09
Speaker 1: DJ Rumba.
21:10
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, think about it. By the DJ that's
21:14
Speaker 2: a Parks and Wreck.
21:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, super chat Jose Alvarez unrelated, but I
21:21
Speaker 5: think a really great segment having two people play at
21:24
Speaker 5: two a similar skill, keep all things the same, except
21:28
Speaker 5: second game, one player has to simply simply state if it's.
21:32
Speaker 2: Runner pass Okay, so that's this is this is a fact.
21:35
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can hear out of that,
21:37
Speaker 1: but this is a great one to got. You have
21:39
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a scientific experiments. Have the
21:45
Speaker 1: first game, two people of equal skill level play n
21:47
Speaker 1: C double a football and uh, you see how that goes.
21:52
Speaker 2: Similar team, similar skill level.
21:53
Speaker 1: And then in the second game, everything's the same except
21:56
Speaker 1: for one person has to state before each play whether
22:01
Speaker 1: it's a runner a pass. That's the only information. That's
22:03
Speaker 1: the only difference we see. I guess, Tony, can you
22:08
Speaker 1: think of a reason why that would be rele.
22:10
Speaker 3: Like if basically we like you and I were player whatever,
22:13
Speaker 3: Kevin and I and then in the second half, Kevin
22:16
Speaker 3: would get to know whether it's a runner, a pass
22:18
Speaker 3: or whether he or you know, like he would just
22:21
Speaker 3: have the heads up, and boy, I got you gotta
22:24
Speaker 3: assume like time, you still got to make the plays.
22:27
Speaker 2: You do still still.
22:30
Speaker 3: Yes, that is part of the other issue. Kevin may
22:37
Speaker 3: not know whether he's running or passing.
22:39
Speaker 2: It feels like you just call an RPO every time
22:41
Speaker 2: that solves the problem.
22:42
Speaker 3: And it's like, because I've played, I don't know if
22:43
Speaker 3: you've ever played battleship with Kevin and I'll be like
22:45
Speaker 3: see eight and they'll be like, I don't know.
22:47
Speaker 4: It's really freaking annoying. Anyway.
22:51
Speaker 3: Speaking of the video game, quinch On Jenkins was asked
22:53
Speaker 3: about his spin move, which is very famous on the
22:56
Speaker 3: internet on social media, on the game, and he said
23:01
Speaker 3: that he's he doesn't know how to do it on
23:03
Speaker 3: the video games, which.
23:04
Speaker 1: Seems it seems ironic that it seems like it'd be
23:06
Speaker 1: much harder to do on the field than on the game.
23:08
Speaker 2: But he can do it on the field, but not.
23:10
Speaker 3: Right, and so I said he's like, I said, so
23:12
Speaker 3: you're like the only person that can't do it, and
23:14
Speaker 3: basically everybody else can do it. Is that gimmick infringements?
23:17
Speaker 2: And he agreed, felt like he kind of no sold
23:20
Speaker 2: that one, but no, he laughed, Yeah, he chuckled. Yeah,
23:24
Speaker 2: that's a.
23:27
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you know, these are guys
23:29
Speaker 1: and they have a chance to and you think these
23:31
Speaker 1: are college players and they have a chance to play,
23:33
Speaker 1: and look, I'm in the video game.
23:35
Speaker 2: That's so exciting, it's so fun.
23:37
Speaker 1: It's a little bit telling that you know, you'll talk
23:39
Speaker 1: to guys and it's like, oh, yeah, I played a
23:40
Speaker 1: bunch of it. This is a time when you're not
23:43
Speaker 1: going to class. Classes haven't started yet, so you're in
23:45
Speaker 1: a little bit of a gap right now. No one
23:47
Speaker 1: is spending a lot of time from guys I've talked
23:49
Speaker 1: to anyway play you know, no one's like, oh yeah,
23:52
Speaker 1: I'm on season forty seven. Podcasters college football bloggers are
23:57
Speaker 1: on season forty seven of their dynasties.
23:59
Speaker 2: Doesn't feel like a lot of the play.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:00
Speaker 3: I mean the players are getting here at like six
24:02
Speaker 3: and leaving it like ten, you know, six in the morning,
24:03
Speaker 3: ten at night, and I look, frenchaw On did say
24:06
Speaker 3: he finally got to play as Ohio State yesterday here,
24:09
Speaker 3: so they've got to here somewhere.
24:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, this is this is an air mattress
24:13
Speaker 1: season where we saw this. We're not quite to the
24:17
Speaker 1: two day kind of thing, right. You'll see guys walking
24:20
Speaker 1: through the indoor with like big inflatable air mattresses, because
24:24
Speaker 1: you know, you have spent all morning running around in
24:26
Speaker 1: the heat, and then you come in and you're gonna
24:28
Speaker 1: eat lunch, and you're gonna sit in meetings and all
24:30
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and then you potentially you're gonna
24:32
Speaker 1: have something later on in the day as well, and boy,
24:33
Speaker 1: that's it is nap time.
24:35
Speaker 3: So it used to look like disaster relief like you know,
24:38
Speaker 3: like disaster relief center, just people just sleeping along the walls,
24:41
Speaker 3: on air mattresses.
24:42
Speaker 4: Or in a hallway.
24:43
Speaker 3: But they got rid of the two days and certainly
24:46
Speaker 3: the three days, so you can just relax and you
24:49
Speaker 3: don't have to be scattered all over the place.
24:51
Speaker 4: I think it's easier to get to your air mattress and.
24:53
Speaker 1: Take a nab anything else on the running backs before
24:56
Speaker 1: we move on to the other news of the day.
24:59
Speaker 2: Well, no, okay, good, let's get up. Then I might
25:04
Speaker 2: drop in Monty.
25:07
Speaker 1: News from the NC Doublespational Collegiate Athletic Association headline Michigan
25:15
Speaker 1: committed NCAA violations in football program, which is tell me
25:19
Speaker 1: something I don't know.
25:20
Speaker 2: However, and we know how we love to read from documents.
25:24
Speaker 1: Yes, a Division IE Committee on Infractions panel determined former
25:28
Speaker 1: Michigan head football coach Jim Harball violated recruiting and inducement roles,
25:31
Speaker 1: engage in unethical conduct, failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance.
25:38
Speaker 1: File that phrase away for later failed to promote an
25:41
Speaker 1: atmosphere of compliance and violated head coach responsibility obligation where
25:44
Speaker 1: resulting in a four year show calls order.
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Speaker 2: Michigan and five individuals.
25:49
Speaker 1: Who currently previously worked for a football program earlier reached
25:51
Speaker 1: agreement with the NCAA Enforcement staff and violations concerning recruiting
25:55
Speaker 1: and coaching activities by non coaching staff members that occurred
25:57
Speaker 1: within the chiefs. I almost said within the program.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that was within the football program.
26:04
Speaker 1: The school also agreed that it failed to monitor the
26:06
Speaker 1: football The school also agreed that it failed to monitor
26:09
Speaker 1: the football program.
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Speaker 2: That's a phrase we've heard before.
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Speaker 1: The committee issued a statement in April sixteenth confirming resolution if.
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Speaker 2: The case for the school and the participating individuals.
26:17
Speaker 1: The Committee's bifurcation if the case permitted those parties who
26:20
Speaker 1: immediately began serving your penalties while awaiting the committee's final
26:22
Speaker 1: decision on the remaining contested portion of the case. Harball
26:25
Speaker 1: was not part of the agreements of his case was
26:27
Speaker 1: resolved separately. So this is a four year show cause
26:32
Speaker 1: on Jim Harball. And this is for cheeseburgers, etc. This
26:36
Speaker 1: is for This is not related to the condors stallions matter.
26:39
Speaker 2: At all.
26:40
Speaker 1: This is the previous thing that was handwaved as nothing.
26:43
Speaker 1: Now is Jim Harwall coming back to the college game
26:47
Speaker 1: knowing that he will have to serve a one year suspension.
26:51
Speaker 1: Probably not, He's probably staying in Los Angelees with the Chargers.
26:55
Speaker 1: But to me, you know, again, you look at some
26:58
Speaker 1: of the phrases in there, and you hear the you know,
27:02
Speaker 1: you know this is this is the thing that was nothing.
27:05
Speaker 1: This was the laughable nothing thing. Now your head coach
27:09
Speaker 1: has been suspended. He was suspended for He served a
27:12
Speaker 1: three game suspension at beginning the last season for this. Yes,
27:14
Speaker 1: served a three game suspension for the stalliance thing later
27:17
Speaker 1: in the season.
27:18
Speaker 2: Now he's got a four year show cause. They're also
27:21
Speaker 2: on three years probation.
27:23
Speaker 1: You know, I know that everyone is throwing out the
27:25
Speaker 1: specific penalties they're expecting, and we you're not doing that
27:29
Speaker 1: because I think there's just.
27:32
Speaker 2: You're way too soon to have any of that kind stuff.
27:34
Speaker 1: However, it would be a significant deviation from precedent to
27:40
Speaker 1: have this be no, there's nothing. We're just going to
27:44
Speaker 1: have sort of on paper punishments for all of the
27:46
Speaker 1: guys that beat the posse out of town to get
27:48
Speaker 1: to the NFL.
27:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when people are talking about there's nobody
27:52
Speaker 3: left to punish, then I guess you've punished a legacy,
27:56
Speaker 3: you know, if that's if that's the one which would
27:58
Speaker 3: be not just you know, any punishments towards the coaches
28:03
Speaker 3: who have left, but you know what they accomplished, I
28:05
Speaker 3: guess is the thing that you would have remaining if
28:08
Speaker 3: you don't want to punish anybody currently. But I'm not
28:11
Speaker 3: you know, proposing anything like that. It's just it is
28:13
Speaker 3: interesting when everybody's gone go ahead and punish me. I
28:17
Speaker 3: don't care because I'm no longer part of this and
28:20
Speaker 3: you know I'm defensive coordinator. I'm now head coach. I
28:22
Speaker 3: don't care about your little NCAA rules. It's that's that's
28:26
Speaker 3: where we are now. But with as firm as the
28:30
Speaker 3: NCAA has been on this, as you said, one year suspension,
28:33
Speaker 3: three years probation, four year show cause for stonewalling.
28:40
Speaker 4: Level two violations?
28:42
Speaker 3: Yes, what do you get for stonewalling several Level one
28:48
Speaker 3: violations including your own school having a Level one violation?
28:52
Speaker 3: Perhaps according to the draft of the na the notice
28:55
Speaker 3: of allegations? What does that bring you? Because that is
29:01
Speaker 3: all much more serious than.
29:04
Speaker 1: This, right in my opinion, well, I mean, in the
29:06
Speaker 1: NC douable as opinion, if they're viewing level two is
29:09
Speaker 1: less serious, level one, that's what the levels mean.
29:11
Speaker 2: Level one is the most serious.
29:13
Speaker 1: Have five people, five individuals and the program I believe
29:16
Speaker 1: in with level ones. In the leaked UH draft and
29:20
Speaker 1: notice of allegations that came out over the weekend, I
29:25
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have, you know, no matter what it is,
29:28
Speaker 1: you're gonna have people say this is too much, this
29:30
Speaker 1: is unfair, you're punishing the wrong people.
29:32
Speaker 2: You're gonna have people saying this wasn't enough.
29:34
Speaker 1: Like whatever it is, everyone's going to claim victory and
29:37
Speaker 1: or defeat and everyone's going to have been.
29:38
Speaker 4: Right all along.
29:39
Speaker 1: And that's cause kind of how it goes, you know,
29:43
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that there is a punishment
29:44
Speaker 1: other than no punishment whatsoever that is gonna make Michigan
29:47
Speaker 1: people happy, because if you you know, I don't expect
29:49
Speaker 1: them to take scholarships way, I feel like that's kind
29:51
Speaker 1: of not going to be as much of a thing now, right,
29:54
Speaker 1: But you know, if they do well, then you're gonna
29:55
Speaker 1: have oh, you're punishing people had nothing to do with it.
29:57
Speaker 1: And if you take away you know, you take away postseason.
30:01
Speaker 1: You're punishing people had nothing to do with it. And
30:02
Speaker 1: if you take away you know, you take away the the.
30:06
Speaker 2: Wins in the game as well.
30:07
Speaker 1: How do you know how important was and you know
30:09
Speaker 1: he still wasn't even there at the end of International
30:11
Speaker 1: Championship season?
30:12
Speaker 2: How can you take that way?
30:13
Speaker 1: Like it's going to be you know, but it wasn't
30:14
Speaker 1: going to be fair to punish them last year either
30:16
Speaker 1: because the investigation hadn't be going. So it's like the
30:18
Speaker 1: only fair time to punish us is never And that's
30:20
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's probably true of a lot of
30:22
Speaker 1: schools in this kind of realm. But yeah, it just
30:26
Speaker 1: it just feels like again when the punishments are boy,
30:30
Speaker 1: that's a pretty strong punishment, even if it's a theoretical one,
30:34
Speaker 1: even it's an on paper one. As they're set, you know,
30:37
Speaker 1: it feels like you're sort of setting up dominoes here
30:39
Speaker 1: for you know, hey, this is a real significant one,
30:42
Speaker 1: and hey, Jim Harbaugh has already you know, got a
30:44
Speaker 1: four year show cause and then whatever else he's going
30:46
Speaker 1: to get on top of that, and he's the head
30:48
Speaker 1: coach and he's now potentially not participating in two separate investigations.
30:52
Speaker 2: That's something the NCAA hold against you. If you're on
30:54
Speaker 2: promotion provacate previously, that's something NCABA holds against you.
30:57
Speaker 1: I mean, your new head coach, 're On Moore, had
30:59
Speaker 1: a previous one violations and now it sounds like is potentially.
31:02
Speaker 2: Facing new violations and they're only level two. But it's
31:04
Speaker 2: a you know, repea defender for your new gay coach.
31:06
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh didn't what the four game suspension or the
31:10
Speaker 3: NCAA said no to the four game suspension. Michigan gave
31:13
Speaker 3: him a three, and Nancy I tacked on another season.
31:17
Speaker 3: And that's one failure to monitor situation. You're you're telling
31:22
Speaker 3: me there wasn't failure. There's a failure to monitor coming
31:25
Speaker 3: from this next situation, repeat violator failure to monitor. How
31:29
Speaker 3: many how many failure to monitors does it take to
31:33
Speaker 3: get a lack of institutional control?
31:34
Speaker 4: Does it take to you know, well, I.
31:36
Speaker 1: Mean lack of institutional control. I don't have the in
31:39
Speaker 1: front of me, but there's a pattern of you know, that's.
31:41
Speaker 2: Part of it.
31:41
Speaker 1: Well, when you have repeated things, that becomes a pattern.
31:44
Speaker 1: That's how patterns work. That's what the word means. Yes,
31:46
Speaker 1: speaking of what words mean. From tomar In Harball's attorney,
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Speaker 1: My thoughts on today's NCAA decision re Coach Harball kangaroo emoji,
31:57
Speaker 1: Scales of justice emoji statement re NCAA COI decision. The
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Speaker 1: way I see it from Coach Harbaugh's perspective today, CI
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Speaker 1: decision is like being in college and getting a letter
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Speaker 1: from your high school saying you've been suspended because you
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Speaker 1: didn't sign the yearbook. If I were in Coach Harbaugh's
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Speaker 1: shoes and had an eighty million dollar contract as head
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Speaker 1: coach of the Chargers, I wouldn't pay any attention to
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Speaker 1: the findings of a kangaroo court which claims to represent
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Speaker 1: the principles. Is that the nation's most flagrant, repeat violator
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Speaker 1: of the federal anti trust laws.
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Speaker 4: You said violator is like, who's he talking about?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Mars knows how to cut a heel pro will.
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Speaker 1: I will give him that, you know, Tom Mars is
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Speaker 1: also when you read through his statements, the hyperbole like
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Speaker 1: the sliders are always up to the absolute top. Everything
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Speaker 1: is the greatest miscarriage of justice in the history of
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Speaker 1: the known universe. He's not wrong, Like, what is Jim
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh care? What I think is what's still to be
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Speaker 1: determined is okay, Jim Harbaugh is is I was gonna say,
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Speaker 1: on a beach in say Watson Ale, which is not
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Speaker 1: a great not a great comparison because Andy didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, he is safely outside of Shawshank Prison
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Speaker 1: right now. They're celebrating the thirtieth anniversary of Shawshank Person
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Speaker 1: this weekend up in Mansfield.
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Speaker 4: Did you know that top five favorite movie probably.
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Speaker 1: I am dB I believe ranked as the number one
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Speaker 1: movie of all time, which I don't strongly disagree with that,
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Speaker 1: But anyway, we're not here to talk about Shoshank. You know, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is sitting on a beach shipping my ties
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Speaker 1: and doesn't care. There are people behind in an arbor
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Speaker 1: who could be left to face the justice that Jim
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh has fled from, people whom Jim Harbaugh, you know,
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Speaker 1: theoretically cared about, but who he is now left to go.
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Speaker 2: And you know so, and you know Jim Harbaugh is
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Speaker 2: in this position.
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Speaker 1: Jim Harble got the twelve month thing because he was
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Speaker 1: not cooperating with the NCAA because he felt like he was, well,
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Speaker 1: this is stupid. I think this is stupid, and therefore
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cooperate. Well, okay, guess what he
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Speaker 1: thinks the next thing stupid too. He just you know,
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Speaker 1: released his He had his press conference thing earlier the
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Speaker 1: week where he was the most innocent man in the
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Speaker 1: history of the universe and no one has ever known
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Speaker 1: less about something than I know about this and all
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like that's going to encourage the NCAA
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Speaker 2: to go easier on them.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: It reminds me of right before I left for college,
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Speaker 3: I got banned from the local racks for life. I
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Speaker 3: was like, I don't care, you can't stop me. And
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Speaker 3: then then we're like, we're also going to ban your family.
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Speaker 3: It's like and so my family has not talked to
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Speaker 3: me since. But I don't care. I don't go to
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Speaker 3: racks anywhere. I don't live around the rocks.
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Speaker 2: There's only one RAX left.
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Speaker 1: You know where The one rax left is Lucasville, Lancaster
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Speaker 1: very close, like I know Lancaster, Ohio. We need to
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Speaker 1: do a hungry, hungry huddle down at the racks down
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Speaker 1: and almost have Lucasville there Lecaster at some point.
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Speaker 2: So you're a bad influence on me.
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Speaker 4: It's it is.
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Speaker 2: It is going to be interesting to.
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Speaker 4: See how this all s I mean, I mean not
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Speaker 4: to interrupt you, but I'm going to interrupt you.
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Speaker 3: That's why I always say there this is never going
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Speaker 3: to any type of court, lawsuit type of thing when
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Speaker 3: something gets handed down. Jim Marlborough is avoiding the legal process.
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Speaker 3: His lawyer is telling the NCAA, don't even bother sending
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Speaker 3: us anything because we're not doing anything with this.
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Speaker 4: We're not going to partake.
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Speaker 3: And so why would Michigan then draw him into this
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Speaker 3: with the lawsuit and unbury all of whatever skeletons may
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Speaker 3: be in there?
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Speaker 1: Right, you don't want to be responding to, you know,
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Speaker 1: responsive to be forced to be responsive to things, and
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Speaker 1: you know, in contempt of court if you don't respond,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you don't produce certain hard drives that
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Speaker 1: may have been removed.
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Speaker 2: From the football facility, things, things of that nature.
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Speaker 4: They're all these are all clean. Anyway, I want to
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Speaker 4: you know, there's nothing done here.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, it's it's at the bottom of that line
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Speaker 1: with my god, it's all down there, Kevin.
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Speaker 2: Do we have questions?
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Speaker 5: Jordan Kapler, where there any questions to coach Locklant about
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Speaker 5: playing two running backs at the same time.
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Speaker 4: I did not see any of that. I don't think
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Speaker 4: I heard that now, Sorry, Jordan.
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Speaker 1: The question is, were there any questions to Carlos Loughlan
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Speaker 1: about playing two running back at the same time?
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Speaker 2: In the answer, I don't think it was. I can
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Speaker 2: answer John Moore.
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Speaker 5: If one linebacker I'm assuming from Ohio State is all
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Speaker 5: big kid.
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Speaker 2: Who will it be?
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Speaker 1: If one linebacker from Ohio State is all big ten?
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Speaker 1: Are we assuming first team all big ten? Or on
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Speaker 1: an of big ten?
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Speaker 3: I would say, well, here's the thing. I would say
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Speaker 3: Cody because he's going to be playing the most. But
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Speaker 3: you could get a CJ. Hicks or see Sunny Styles
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Speaker 3: making more plays in the backfield, which gets the voters
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Speaker 3: attention because you know what's Cody Simon is gonna end
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Speaker 3: up with like eighty two one hundred tackles because there's
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Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of tackles to go around. You're
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Speaker 3: not expecting the defense to be out there all that
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Speaker 3: long anyway, but seventeen and a half tackles for loss
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Speaker 3: or thirteen and a half tackles for loss. If you're
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Speaker 3: up there at the leaderboard, that's going to get people's attention.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like a lot of this goes to,
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Speaker 1: like this is a more complicated question than it seems
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Speaker 1: on its face, because a lot of this depends on,
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Speaker 1: you know, how understanding how the voting.
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Speaker 4: Stupid voters.
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Speaker 2: Stupid voters, Yes, let me tell you how stupid the
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Speaker 2: voters are.
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Speaker 1: Folks, Like he's right here, is is Brent Musburger on
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Speaker 1: you know, not literally Brent Musburger, but today's equivalent of
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Speaker 1: Bress Musburger on the call for the Oregon game where
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Speaker 1: one of the linebackers makes three tackles and he calls
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Speaker 1: him the Kaiser and then all of a sudden that sticks,
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Speaker 1: and then every time that network has him again, and
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Speaker 1: then that then he becomes the main character of the
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Speaker 1: narrative on the defense. And I mean there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of that stuff that goes into it, especially on the
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Speaker 1: media side, the coach side.
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Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of times it's just a stats.
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Speaker 4: Let me let me give you the stats.
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Speaker 3: With the media side, is is great because in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jake Belly was twenty one rather because
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Speaker 3: he was a freshman in twenty twenty, he was not
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Speaker 3: part of the Big tens that page for like the
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Speaker 3: first there was a period of time where he was
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Speaker 3: not all there, like when when the voting was done,
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Speaker 3: he was not there. He still made like thirteen, but
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Speaker 3: he you know, he had a thousand yards receiver or whatever,
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Speaker 3: like eight hundred yards receiving.
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Speaker 4: He should have been higher up there, but he was
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Speaker 4: not listed, like he was just omitted.
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Speaker 3: And when the voters are going on, let me go
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Speaker 3: check check out the stats, see who's good. I'll check
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Speaker 3: being the receivers that you judge him by stats, and
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Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jagba isn't even on there, like he
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Speaker 3: doesn't exist. Like, well, I guess I'll vote for somebody
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Speaker 3: else because he doesn't exist.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, there's a certain name recognition piece
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Speaker 2: of it. There's a certain all of that.
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Speaker 1: So you know, I think there's a very good chance
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Speaker 1: that two of those guys are either first or second
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Speaker 1: team All Big Ten, you know, and I could make
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Speaker 1: I could see all three of them being first, second
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Speaker 1: or third.
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Speaker 2: Team All Big Ten.
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Speaker 1: Will the NFL do anything to Harbor, Well, the NFL
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Speaker 1: do anything to Jim Harball. I think the there's no
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Speaker 1: indication the NFL is going to do anything to Harball
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Speaker 1: that the you know, I think the Jim Trestle thing
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Speaker 1: wasn't doesn't the Jim Trestle thing kind of self imposed
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Speaker 1: fact it was?
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Speaker 4: And Terry, Yeah, Roger Goodell said I was going to
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Speaker 4: suspend him anyway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And also Jim Trussell was an instant replay monitor, assistant helper.
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Speaker 3: He's not the head coach. So I don't for one,
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Speaker 3: there's no way any suspension would match the nca suspension.
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Speaker 3: I'm not expecting anything here because the thoughts on punishments
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Speaker 3: from the NCAA has changed completely since, as we're saying,
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Speaker 3: since the Jerry Saint Dusky situation, where like the weight
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Speaker 3: of these things has has changed. And so I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: expect anything to carry over. I would not expect the
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Speaker 3: Chargers to allow anything to carry over, and the ownership
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Speaker 3: would not allow it.
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Speaker 2: But what will Tom Marsh say?
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Speaker 4: Tom Mars would agree with me on that one. What's
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Speaker 4: what's even to suspend?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: So it looks like we are through our through the
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Speaker 1: bulk of our questions. So we're going to wrap it
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Speaker 1: up here. We will be back here at the flick
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Speaker 2: Who are we talking to tomorrow?
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