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The Truth Behind the Numbers — NFL Combine Testing, Athletic Potential, and What Coaches Are Missing | Mike Weinstein · The Standard

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Alrighty team, welcome to the standard podcast where we raise the bar, rebuild the culture, and call out the lies or misconceptions that nobody else will.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't motivation, this is a movement.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Thomas Row alongside my co-host Aaron Sarles, co-founder and CEO of Blueprint to Blue Chip and creator of the Caddy Framework.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today we're sitting down with Mike Weinstein, a founder and CEO of Zybek Sports, the company behind the most precise athletic timing technology in the world and the system that has been used to time the 40-yard dash in the NFL Scouting Combine for more than a decade.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Mike started Zybeck Advanced Products in 1996, making lunar stimulant for NASA.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in 2008, a vertical jump tester he built for strength coaches at the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Olympic Training Center became the seed of something entirely different.
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  SPEAKER_01: A company that would eventually put a laser timing system on the most watched combine in American sports and change the standard for the athletic performance of how athletic performance gets measured.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nathan Sports tests more than 50,000 young athletes every year across football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer, softball, and so much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mike developed the Power Index, a physics-based metric that allows coaches and scouts to compare athletic athletes across positions in sports by measuring what coaches always talk about, but have never actually seen a clean way to quantify it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Explosive power, he also created a standardized athletic athlete test, SAT, which he describes as athletic equivalent of the academic SAT, a consistent, objective, nationally benchmarked measure of athleticism that gives every athlete real information they could use to improve.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Blueprint to Blue Chip is built on the conviction that the most important development in the intern is internal, character, identity, and discipline.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: But the data that tells the athlete where they actually stand as a competitor matters enormously to what they're building.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mike has spent his career making sure that the data is accurate, objective, and actionable and quantifiable.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're diving into the truth behind what it really takes to build identity, discipline, and legacy in sports and in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mike, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to join us.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're super excited to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, excellent.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, thanks for having me.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: Look forward to working with you guys on this and bringing the standardized athlete test to Colorado.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mike, let's get into it.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because your path to Zybek Sports is not the path anyone would have predicted, you are making lunar stimulant for NASA, a vertical jump tester for an Olympic training center.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Strength coaches became the seed of the company that would end up being the timing timing apparatus for the NFL Combine.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: What does raising the standard mean to an engineer and entrepreneur who saw the gap in athletic measurements that nobody else saw coming?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, from the engineering perspective, if you can't measure it, you can't improve it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just a fundamental part of every engineering project that anybody's going to be diving into.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: And you could just imagine if you didn't have any standards or anything to really quantify what you're working with, it'd be a mess.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what I've really learned from the engineering side of things is that you have to have something repeatable if you have any chance to making it to your end goal.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: And those exact same engineering disciplines I've put into the standardized athlete test, but also just in the equipment it takes to measure that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I mean it's two things.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's one is having repeatable numbers that you can train to.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: I often show athletes the difference between the fastest and the slowest in a position group is sometimes less than a half a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right between two fastest and the slowest.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's only a half a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're doing anything with a stopwatch, you're lucky for plus or minus 0.2 seconds.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that just isn't accurate enough to quantify any kind of measurement and making it very easy to understand.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like let's say you wanted to lose weight, but you have a bathroom scale, but it only goes to the 10th spot.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's say I'm 180 pounds this week and I'm really trying to get down to 170 or 160.
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  SPEAKER_02: I diet like crazy all week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I get back on the scale and it still says you know the same number.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and I'm well, I'm gonna give up then, right?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know, it but I could have been 181 at the beginning of the week and 180 at the end of the week or less.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't know if you've got these big error bands around your measurements, you never know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we show that just such minor variations in like your 10-yard split, if we're talking about the speed measurements, can make an amazing difference in your 40.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so it's just knowing of what to focus on, and that's what the data shows.
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  SPEAKER_02: It shows you what you whether you need to work on like your start, your top end speed, or your explosive power.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna give every athlete one number or one thing they need to focus on for that end game.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so true.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, this a lot of times these young athletes get caught up in the numbers, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we got to be careful of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That being said, what is the biggest lie athletic measurements?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell coaches, scouts, and athletes about what the data actually means and what has Zybek done to replace that.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what have they done to replace that lie?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, there's so many things.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna see at the standardized athlete test, and you see it behind me right there.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: We start every test with the phrase, it's on you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the way we do it at the NFL Combine is when the athlete's in a three-point stance for the 40-yard dash, they have one hand on the ground, and when they lift their hand up and that sensor's not blocked, they start the time and they stop it at the 10-yard, 20-yard, 40-yard when they pass that beam.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's why we say it's on you.
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  SPEAKER_02: You start the time and you stop the time.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: But it's a little bit deeper than that.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're showing you the athlete where you stack up and where you need to get to.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just really important to know that what you're doing is these are your numbers.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I just see so many times on the internet where athletes are saying that they're running a 4-4 or 4-3 or 4-5 or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't happen at the high school level.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just so important for athletes to realize that when you do it and you do it right, you do it exactly like what's being done at the NFL Combine.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a real number.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's your number show you stack up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you're trying to show a coach, coaches uh you know, the 40-yard dash to people who question the real meaning of that, you never run 40 yards in a football game, and you never it doesn't measure a skill, it measures athleticism.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when a coach's job depends on who they get on their team, they want the best athletes.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so if you're the if you want the best athlete, uh you need a credible athlete as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: If a coach is, if an athlete's calling up a coach at a college program to think he's running to 4-4 or 4-5, if that coach really understands that, which they do, because they watch the NFL Combine and they're training their athletes to be there, they're gonna know that, yeah, something's not right.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: That athlete is either not telling the truth or they're just not being measured right.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: In either case, they need credibility and they need confidence that that athlete's gonna be what they say they are.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we've seen many, many major college programs.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Just for this year, we've done a major top five program in the country.
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  SPEAKER_02: The fastest athlete that was there at this massive D1 program was a four, five, six.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so if an athlete is calling up these college strength coaches, which they say they are all the time, and saying, like, yeah, I'm running a four, five or four, four, that coach is saying, like, wow, you are now saying you're faster than the fastest athlete that I've been working on for the last four years here.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going on to the next one.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's why credibility is so important when you're talking to a college coach.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: You still may be an amazing athlete, and the coach could really be able to see that, but proven it and just prove it right now.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: No question.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, Mike, were you here in Colorado in the late mid to late 80s?
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: I always share this story regarding the 40-yard dash, and uh, I played high school football against Sal Anesse, who the ended up coming out here to play football for Colorado.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I used to beat him time and time again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rest in peace, Sal.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, he he had such football quickness versus a straightaway, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I'd always beat him in the 100 and the 200.
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  SPEAKER_01: We knew each other quite well.
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  SPEAKER_01: But his football acumen on the field on the gridiron was just remarkable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you think he'll ever come up with a you think you'll ever come up with a system that that'll differentiate between football IQ and sprinters IQ, or is it just one and the same?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: We really never get into the uh the sport, I mean the the skill side of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is really just measuring athleticism, and it's a tool.
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  SPEAKER_02: And how you use that tool really shows that you can build.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's just really important to show is like we can show how fast an athlete is, repeatable every single time to the third decimal.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I think is more important than anything.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, again, how you use that tool is hey, you know, that's another thing.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Now we do a number of reactive agility tests that we've been developing for a while that really show the cognitive response and the physical response to an external stimulus.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: However, those are still you know personal athletic, you know, capability tests and and how you apply that to the game, that's where you come in as a coach to really show that athlete how to use the skills that they have or develop the skills that they're maybe deficient in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: On that one, I'm going to turn it over to Aaron, which is segment two.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to get into the nuts and bolts.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron, it's all yours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take it away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I like getting into the nuts and bolts here with you, Mike.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm dying to jump in here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Zyc, Zybek has been the test timing technology at the NFL Scouting Combine for more than a decade.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you're sitting when you were sitting at the first table timing the 40-yard dash of those athletes whose careers will be defined in part by the numbers that flashes on the screen, what does that responsibility feel like?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what have you learned from the data that most coaches and scouts maybe still don't understand today?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: I've learned so much from the data.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even learning more and more from the data.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I just saw a study a little while ago that was showing that the fastest athletes in the 40 at the NFL Combine versus the slower athletes at the 40 doesn't necessarily correspond to their success in the NFL.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: However, I think what people are missing is like if you're at the NFL Combine running the 40-yard ash, you're really, really fast to begin with.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: And this is just kind of the final test for that.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I think what, you know, there's some very specific things that I've learned there is that one, these are the best of the best of the best of athletes in the world, in my opinion, that actually make it to the NFL Combine.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you've made it that far, you are already, you know, and the elite that is going to be going to the NFL.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: But the athletes that run the 40, you know, for example, I was looking at some interesting data this year.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: We've did a 30-yard split at the NFL combine this year.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this way, I've never known what the top-end speed where they actually reach that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was always assuming it was kind of at the 20-yard line.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh from the 20 to the 40, they were just cruising.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: But what I found was that 70% of the athletes or 75% of the athletes actually increase speed a little bit between the 20 and the 30 and the 30 and the 40.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the interesting thing is you look at those athletes that were increasing.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I've done a little bit of work on that right there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And those are the athletes that are not just cruising after that 20.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: They are literally and figuratively putting everything on the line to give every bet every thing that they do the best.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And not only just 100%, but every ounce of energy they got.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: They're not cruising, they're accelerating all the way through there.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the these numbers kind of manifest themselves in an overall uh personal characteristic that is better for the teams as an athlete that can really succeed.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think, yeah, yeah, no one runs 40-yard dashes in the game in the NFL.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: But what this does do is it does show those athletes that have the discipline to train for that.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they know they're not going to need to run 40 in the game, but if this is the game, this is the rules, this is the process you go through to get to the NFL, then you do it.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: You don't question it, you just do it and you do it the best you can every time.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I learned a lot right there just by you sharing all of that.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why wow?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like I just got taken inside the combine.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's incredible.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I would love you.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Talked about the well, we know that is it clowny.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna pronounce his first name right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Scored the highest on your power index the year.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: He was a first overall for pick.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we have so many examples.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Frank Clark led all athletes the following year.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: What does the power index tell coaches and scouts about explosive power that maybe their eyes or handled stopwatches were never going to show them?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: And ultimately, maybe what does that predict or change when it comes to the ultimate draft pick?
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: You bet.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, let me back up a little bit.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so that was the year I developed the power index, or now I'm just calling it the SAT score.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And what that is at our events, we like to have one winner and be able to show the athletes, you know, who is the best athlete.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: And that gets really hard when you start comparing, you know, little running backs to offensive linemen.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that just becomes really hard to quantify that.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so what we like to do is essentially come up with a number to quantify the athleticism of a person.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so that year at the NFL Combine, when Clowney was there, you know, he was probably the most amazing athletic specimen the world seen in a long time.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: He was big and fast and powerful.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so what I did was I picked him, Manzel, and Dre Archer as three athletes I used as the test subjects because you know, Clowney's obviously a very large person and he's an amazing athlete.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Manzel, you know, despite all the you know the stuff you see online about him, was really an amazing athlete at that point right there, and still is, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: But he's about 200 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then Dre Archer was a small guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: He had the fastest fully automated 40 we'd ever measured for an athlete up to that point.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so what I did is I used those three athletes, and the formulas all start with first principle physics, where we calculate a horsepower it takes for an athlete to do something.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: It all starts like with cars, you know, big car, big motor.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a power to weight ratio for a car.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: This is for the athlete.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so, making a long story short, you know, it all starts the first principle physics, but I take a little bit of artistic license and empirically refine the equations from there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what I did is I picked Clowney Mansville and Dre Archer.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: And since I was making the equations, I get to make the equation.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I gave Clowney a 92 arbitrarily back then.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: And this is not only just for the 40-yard dash, this is for all the drills.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's these 510-5, the L drill, the broad jump, and the vertical jump.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so with that, I gave Clowney a 92, and everything has been based on him since then.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And by the way, Clowney didn't have the best number in each one of the tests, but he had the best aggregate number.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: And other athletes were better than him in certain areas and in other areas, but this has proven itself time and time again about like this is kind of scarily predictive.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: We were at the University of Michigan about five years ago, testing the entire team.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I showed the head strength coach that year the top power indices in every position group.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of forgot about that until about a year ago.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: I looked all those athletes up.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And guess what?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Every one of those is playing for the NFL and playing really well.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Coincidence?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Good guess?
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: We've published some things online for at the All-American Combine for the top athletes that I did the top 25 athletes from the All-American Combine in 2023 all the way to recently.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it's cool.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: This year at the NFL Combine, guess what?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: We had 25 athletes that were at the All-American Combine or at the NFL Combine this year.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: And guess what?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: They're all a top power indices.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: Coincidence?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Good guess, maybe.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: But I think there's something to this.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: And what this really does is it quantifies the athleticism for everybody's all on the same par because you know the offensive line, the defensive line, the big guys, you know, they often don't give the uh the attention and the rewards that they should be getting.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because they never jump the highest or you know, run the fastest, but they're probably great in their group.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's what we need to really be looking at.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's every athlete as an individual.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's on you that we have that trademark.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: We start every test of that phrase.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter your your age, gender, sport, position.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: It all goes out the window.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: These are your numbers, shows that you stack up where you need to get to.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's on you.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: God, this is wow.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: I might I love stuff like this.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, I'm geeking out, but it's what I I do not believe there's such a thing as a coincidence.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously the testing correlates to and why this is important to be measured because it does translate to what your uh probably output or success is going to be based on your athleticism.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: And it's important to understand this isn't everything.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just such little differences can make the difference between who's average and who's top 20%.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: And also athletically, let's face it, you could be the most amazing athlete out there, but if you can't catch a football or make a tackle, you're not gonna be doing that good.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: So this isn't everything by any stretch of the imagination.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: So we really encourage everybody when they do get their test results to, you know, don't be dejected or anything.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh man, I'm ruined, I'm gonna never play sports, but just really it'll show you where you stack up and where you need to work on.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: And often there's such minor differences.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've been talking about nothing about the 40-yard dash here, but let's talk into like some power stuff.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: The broad jump at the all-American combine.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really important to look at those numbers.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: The difference between the average athlete and the top 20% in the broad jump by position group is only seven and a half inches.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Seven and a half inches is the average in the top 20%.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: And this is out of 5,000, over 5,000 athletes, we've done at the all-American combine.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Navy National in San Antonio.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Seven and a half inches.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you're a college coach right off the bat.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to be having an average athlete or top 20%?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: You got top 20% right off the bat.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: So right there, and all you have to do is get seven and a half inches better.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying that's gonna be easy to do it overnight, but that's where you guys can help.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: If you just got a half inch better every month, you can be there.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to make it all happen at once, it's on you.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: And once you know where you stack up, you know what you need to work on, and you need to know where you need to get to.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's that easy.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to be average, you want to be top 20%.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Every one of these drills, we're gonna show the average by age or by grade position group and what the top 20% is.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I like to show the top 20% because we don't have to be overachievers here.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people look at, you know, like the fastest athlete, never they want to be the fastest.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Guess what, man?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: We've tested over a quarter million athletes now, and we get some freak athletes.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be, you know, the freak athlete, you need to be a great athlete and get to that end game right there.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: This is a tool to help you build your dreams and achieve your to build your future and achieve your dreams.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, with that, this dovetails perfectly in my last question before I turn it back over to Thomas.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: What's one truth you wish every coach, scout, athletic director, parent of a competitive athlete understood about athletic data?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Can't what athletic data can and cannot tell you about an athlete's potential that most people are in the room are still getting wrong or that you want to shed light on.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think the most important thing that you got to realize, you have to take the data in context.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: And you got to realize like when you're doing the SAT, we do it the exact same way every single time.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: And these athletes need to be proud of their numbers when they get them from the SAT.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: And they can't, you know, be looking at their friend who went to you know a backyard, dad timing them and mom measuring them in the kitchen or some other you know, money grab camp.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: They can't be looking at those numbers and comparing themselves to that because if they start doing that, they're gonna think like they're not a good athlete.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: They need to remember, I mean, these are your numbers where you stack up and it's on you.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: And coaches, I think you need to use this as a tool to help your athletes develop and just know that it's gotta be repeatable.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: And just again, small changes over a big long time, it'll make a big difference.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I think just that repeatability is just so important for the coach.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: And the last thing is, let's face it, in the new world we're living in, nobody talks, they text, and they tweet.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: We have 140 characters in our, especially some of the athletes, you know, and the the kids nowadays, I can say that in my old age, kids nowadays, they have 140 characters, you know, you can talk to them with.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's gotta be short and it's gotta be something very quick and concise to tell the athlete where they are now and what's one thing they need to work on to get to the end game right there.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: And if it gets more complicated than that or esoteric, it gets really hard to do.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so we've really this isn't everything by any stretch of the imagination, but like for the 40 yard dash, your data is going to show whether you need to work on your start or your top end speed before we retest you.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: And just know this isn't the end right now, this is the beginning.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: When you get your numbers right there, this shows whether where you are right now, how you compare not only in your age group, your grade, your position, but around the country and what's one thing you need to do to get to that end game right there, and then work on that.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: And we showed that show story of like with Shiloh Sanders.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we worked with him at the University of Colorado last year, talking local for you guys.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when we first tested.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Shiloh Sanders at the University of Colorado when he was working for his pro day.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: That I think he was in the high four nines.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: And if he would have done that as a DB at his pro day, he would have been laughed out.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it wouldn't happen.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: But we showed the one thing he needs to work on that week.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: We come back the following week.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: He got so much better the following week.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Again, a one thing.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: We did that for six weeks in a row.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Guess what?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: He went from a really embarrassing number to a respectable number, got a spot on a team.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Thomas, back to you.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Sharon.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Mike.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: You created a standard athlete test, standardized athlete test, SATA, nationally benchmarked measure of athleticism that tests youth athletes using the same technology and drills as the NFL.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: You described it as giving athletes something, information they could actually use to improve.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: What does a 15-year-old get from knowing where they stand nationally against other 15-year-olds in the 40-yard dash that they couldn't get from their coaches' eyes or parents is the parents' stopwatch?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: The important thing that we're doing with that is the most important thing is we are repeatable to the third decimal.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you were their stopwatch, you're lucky for plus or minus 0.1 if you're really lucky.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: And you got about a 0.2 second offset to begin with.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the one thing you get right off the bat.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: But more importantly than that, you get the 10-yard split, 20-yard split, 40-yard time.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so this way you can just really show the athlete the one thing that you need to work on.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I like to show uh we do a presentation at the All-American Combine where I show like two, uh we did two running backs one year at the NFL Combine.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: They happen to be Jersey one and Jersey Two.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I can't remember the exact numbers, but basically, you know, Jersey one was like number, you know, out of 500 athletes, he was like number 400 at the 10, number 450 at the at the 20 yard, and like finished 475 overall.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: He's like doing really bad.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: And Jersey two was like number eight and number 10 and number 15.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: These are two totally different athletes.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: And like the the best athlete, he's still doing great.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: But the data showed the one thing that he needs to work on, he'd be even better.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: And now the other athlete right there might think he finished number 400.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's all washed up, but guess what?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: He was only 0.4 seconds slower than that first athlete.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And athlete, his starts were so bad that if he worked on just that one thing, he can be at that top end level right there.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's important that now that you know what you need to work on right there.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's not complicated.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's a lot of data in the report, but just look at that end game right there.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna show whether you need to work on your start, your top end speed, and what your number is now.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll make a recommendation for what you need to be the next time we test you.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's simple.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then hopefully we'll have you guys set up there at your facility right there where you can be checking in every couple of weeks or every month or whatever, and just you know, see how much faster you're getting right there.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's all you have to do.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Just make sure you're on track for that end game.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: You get little changes over a long time, it can make a really big difference in your life.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: You test more than 50,000 athletes a year across football, basketball, lacrosse, soccer, softball, and so much more.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: What pattern patterns have emerged across the data that would surprise most coaches who specialize in one sport?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: What about athletic, what athletism looks like, how it develops, and what does the data say to to the about these actually athletes and how they can actually improve?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think an important thing to realize is that you know everyone thinks of the combine as being a football test.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: But what I found is that there's just not a lot of difference between athletes across sport, and and especially when you normalize it based on the the weight.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's just really important.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: And but I think you know, comparing you know the athletes with their sport is almost more of a marketing thing, if you will.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: And we we do it all the time.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're gonna show basketball players how they compare against basketball players and football against football.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: It just kind of makes it personal.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: But an athlete is an athlete, and I think that's just what's you know really important, especially for multi-sport athletes, for example.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's all you know, the SAT report's gonna show you speed, power, agility.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: No matter what sport you're playing, those are all key attributes for every sport.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: And they're applied differently in different sports, but it's still the same thing.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't have to overcomplicate this.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I think when coaches are looking at the data with different sports, is like, you know, just take a step back from your coaching side of things and look at it just from the physics level and just say, like, what can I do to help that athlete become stronger, faster, better?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: And after that point, right there, I can really apply my coaching techniques and my philosophy to the game so those athletes can really help me and my team win.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I think you know, really just you know objectively look at this and don't automatically think because you've been doing this for 40 years or whatever, that you know what's right and what's wrong.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not knocking the coaches at all by any means right here, but you know, just really objectively look at this, not just from your lens, but from how the world sees it.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: And also I think that's important to see like so many coaches think like 40-yard dash shouldn't mean anything.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do the you know, the Y drill with the reverse back step.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's more important.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: That rocked me.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's more important.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we can definitely do some of those things, but that drill right there, whatever you came up with, is gonna have zero, you know, a benefit for that athlete across the country when they're trying to promote themselves on the you know the nationwide scene.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: It might for your team, it might for your region, but let's face it, I mean, you you gotta like market yourself and that end game right there.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to play sports in college, what do they know?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: They know the NFL combine, they know the NBA combine, they know you know that they know what they know, and that yeah, you might have the greatest drill ever, but that's the reason we did this just like the SAT.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: You mentioned it's totally analogous to the academic SAT.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and you can't call up a great college and say you can't even call the University of Colorado admissions and say, yeah, I got an awesome score on the academic SAT and my dad graded it.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: That ain't gonna fly.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna get you anywhere.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna say, yeah, right.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: No, you take the SAT, you do it the way it's supposed to be done.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I think it's important to know like you can't say, like, yeah, I took the you know, the the Y SAT, it's really close to the SAT.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: We do the same things, but no, you take the SAT.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't make the rules, I enforce them.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I think when coaches just realize it's just do it, do it right, do it the way the NFL does it, and don't argue.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: No one's gonna, at the college level, gonna argue with that.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: So why try to reinvent the wheel on your own?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: So true.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: So true.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: You talked about Shiloh Sanders earlier.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: You worked with him as he was preparing for the NFL draft after not receiving a combine invitation.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: You've worked with athletes at every level, from undrafted prospects to first overall picks.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: What does the data tell you about the difference between an athlete who can compete at the next level and an athlete who cannot?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And how often is that gap physical and is it sometimes mental?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, great question.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's a little bit of both.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I think what you know, the athletes who can compete at that next level are using every tool they can to build their futures and achieve their dreams.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: And like what Shilo did was that he used this data and he he did the work on that one thing that we told him to work on for that whole next week, and it worked for him.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what separates out the athletes that are you know really focused on that end game.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: They will do what it takes to make the team.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's a lot of everything.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not trying to say like do this and you're gonna be great, but it just really takes focus on that end game right there.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: So part of it's mental, a lot of it's physical, but a lot of it's just that sheer drive.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: And however that's measured, that sheer drive to just really be building your future.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've got so many athletes here, in fact, so many even in Colorado that we can share that have done this test over and over and over again, and they watch their growth every year.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the kind of thing that I think is really exciting for me as uh, you know, just as a human, you know, to really be a part of these athletes' journey to that end game right there.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: We have one athlete we've tested for 10 years in a row, starting in first grade, and that's kind of cool.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so that athlete, as I can show, is growing a lot faster than your average athlete because he's focused on that end game there.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: We had two athletes, we tested the University of Connecticut football team back in 23, I think it was, or 24.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it was cool because you know they had us come in, they're training their athletes to be NFL draft ready.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we came and did the exact same test to at the NFL.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I showed those athletes the one thing they need to work on, the exact same report format we're gonna be delivering to your athletes.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Two of those athletes we tested at the University of Connecticut, we're at the NFL Combine this year.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Coincidence?
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: They use those numbers to build their futures and do what to work on and focus on that end game right there.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's important, I think.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, Mike, you're in Colorado State getting your bachelor's in engineering.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: You go on to UD to get your master's, your MBA.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: What would you tell the younger Mike after creating you really did create a better mousetrap?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: What would you tell that younger Mike about what to expect in the future, going from engineering to a groundbreaking apparatus like Zybeck?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's you know, just you know, have faith in if you really believe in it, you you really, you know, look at what the market needs and you know, just you know, try to answer to the market.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: And what I saw from this is just from what you know the kids uh you know, my kids were hanging out with, and all the parents will do anything for their kids to really help them you know get to that next level right there.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I think just really looking at what the end game is, just making something objective and you know, to really, you know, don't start with what you think's right, really see what the market needs and how do you adapt that.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: And really, like when you look at what we developed with the SAT, you know, it's all cool with the formulas and all that.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: The hardest thing that we had to develop in this whole thing is how do you test a thousand athletes in three hours and give everybody a report?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: At the All-American combine, we end up with 12,000 data points in three hours, and we need to deliver reports to those athletes in less than 24.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so you start really from the engineering side of things, that gets kind of hard really fast because these aren't you know ones and zeros coming off of the screen.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: These are like real numbers, the real people, and you gotta be 99.99 percent per you know uh correct every time.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, and so I think I'm very happy with the way we've developed this business actually over the years, and we've done it a very backwards way than most companies get developed.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, we've got a whole machine shop.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I'm sitting in the machine shop right now, and we've even had it on our circuit boards.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: We say build it, engineer it, and then make it great.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's awesome.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that I think from the business development side of things is don't be afraid just to jump in and do it.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, don't ask too many questions, just do it, have a plan, have that end game, but don't be afraid just to just do it and may not work.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: I can't tell you how many times I failed.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: When we first started doing these big events, we were doing like the whole rivals.com events.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: So we, I mean, there are so many events we would do afterwards.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: I really start questioning decisions I made in life, like, why am I doing this?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: This is not much fun anymore.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: And we'd go back and say, what's one thing I could do better every time?
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we work on that one thing.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: And you can do a whole dissertation on everything we messed up when we first started this, but guess what?
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: You work on that one thing, you make a little bit of improvements over a long time, and guess what?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna pay dividends in the end.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: And this is really uh relevant to our event that's coming up November 8th.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: We have for the high school athlete right now who has never been tested with objective laser time athletic data and is making recruiting decisions based on how they feel about their performance, what is the most important thing they need to understand about the difference between perceived athleticism and measured athleticism?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: And how does knowing the real numbers change that, change on what they do next?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're gonna report the athletes' numbers to them.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: And this is just like the academic SAT.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to share your numbers with anybody, and uh you can actually search this.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna show their what their numbers are.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I think a couple things with that.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: One, credibility is the most important thing that you can do when you're really promoting yourself with the SAT.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, your numbers may not look as fast as your friend who went to some money grab camp or something, but just know you did it, you did it right.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: College coaches are gonna respect you for that.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: But also, I think the important thing to look at is really focus on the numbers to show where you did your best.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: We break the numbers down in so many different ways.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can really show where you're the best.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: For example, let's say you got a really crappy 40, but your 10-yard split's great, and you happen to be an offensive lineman, you need to look at that data and say, you don't say what your you can say what your 40 is, but you can say, like, look, on the SAT, I am top 80% for an offensive lineman in that 10-yard split.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that might be really important to a coach.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: That coach might be saying, like, yeah, an offensive line coach might be saying, Yeah, I don't care about 40, but I care about that 10-yard split.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's appropriate for me.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: And this kid is top 80%.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, he's got a I'm gonna give this kid a look.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: So not just look at the numbers from you know, just the overall and stop right there, dig into them and just see where you're the best.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: And two things.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: One, if you're at the end game right there, you got to get into a college of these numbers, use your best numbers to help promote yourself.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: And if you got a little bit of time, you know, focus on those numbers that you weren't so good on to make them better.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then also just know is like, you know, we can super score these tests and and also don't feel feel bad about contacting us and say, hey man, I need to I really want to get into you know Southern University or HBCU or something.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I saw you do a lot of work with a Marshall Falk last month.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, you can help me with this.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Can't guarantee anything, but I'm happy to you know send a batch of stuff to those recruiters down there and say, hey, we tested this kid, these numbers are real.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got a spot in your program, these are real numbers, see if they fit in.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, we've all three of us have seen uh parents living vicariously through their kids.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: For their parent investing in a young athlete's development who wants to use data to make better decisions about training, recruiting, and where their athlete actually stands.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: What does meaningful athletic data look like and how do you get it other than the obvious tests that you're doing?
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: And what do they need to do with it once they have it?
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I'm not sure where else you can get the meaningful data like we deliver with the SAT, other than the SAT.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not bragging or anything, but I'm gonna put a pin in that and say this is the best you're gonna do at the high school level for quantifying and measuring your athletic data.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: But I think what the parent needs to do is really understand that report and just look at the one thing that they need to work on to get that to the next level.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: But also, if you're a parent and you are living vicariously through your kid and you want your kid to go to the same college you did, you know, really you know, look at that college and just say, and I can give you, even if we haven't tested that college, if you want to like a D2 college, I can show what an average you know linebacker at a D2 college is, how big they are, how fast they are, how high they jump, and how far they jump.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: And now you know where you are, you know where you want to get to.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: You got some numbers to get from here to there.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: You got a plan.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: And you have a lot of things we can't a lot with, like obviously the height.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: But other than that, hey, you know, you can really focus on what your strengths are and you you know, really focus on your weaknesses to make them better and promote your strengths for that end game.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know what the end game is, so you know where you're at, you got something, and so now forget everything I said.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, how would you get to that end game if you didn't know that information?
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's an important thing to look at, I think, is you know, look at the you know, you know, FOMO if you're a missing out kind of thing.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't know, you don't know.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're really shooting in the dark here.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so once you know, you know and you know what to work on.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: On that one, I'm gonna turn it over to Erin.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna take you into the rapid fire around.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron, it's all yours, take it away.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: This is a fun little segment we do, Mike.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna start a sentence and you're gonna finish it for me, okay?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is fun.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the most important number in athletic measurement that most coaches ignore.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Explosive power, the 10 yard flesh.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_00: The biggest myth about the 40 yard dash is it's only the 40.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's all the components that go into the 40.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's the acceleration, drive phase, and final number.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Gosh dang.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, explosive power defined precisely means explosive power shows how fast you can accelerate your acceleration.
• 39:39
  unknown: Okay.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Legacy.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Not the topic all in itself, I'll give you that right there.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: But uh explosive power is accelerating.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, right.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a whole physics 101 behind that, but that's that's explosive power, and that separates out who's good and who's great.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Legacy equals.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: Legacy equals being the greatest.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: What is one thing you never compromise on?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Accuracy and repeatability.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: And if you could put up a billboard for the next generation of athletes, what would that message be to them?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's on you.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Thomas, it's back to you.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: That is so key.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's on you.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, we like to before we wrap up, we always like to turn the floor over to our guests.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something we didn't touch on today that you feel athletes, coaches, parents, and scouts need to understand about athletic measurements and the Zybex sports, what you guys are building?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think the important thing is, you know, the numbers are really, really important, but don't, you know, think it's all won or lost with these numbers.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: And once you get the numbers, you got something to be building on.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: I know I've repeated that over and over again, but you know, sports, sports supposed to be fun.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: And we've in some ways gamified this right now.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, there's there's so many things that, you know, these are your numbers.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: In every sport we've been talking about so far is a team sport.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: And this is something that's really individual, it's personal.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I think is important on this right here.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: And just know it's a journey.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: And the other thing I think I really, you know, kind of touch on right here that I haven't yet is like once you have these numbers, you don't even have to use them just for promoting your yourself athletically.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: We've had a lot of cool stories where you know kids have used these numbers as a topic for their college essays, you know, showing how you know they like one essay I remember reading said that, you know, like I really wanted to play on the team.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: I did my best.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to make varsity, and I used these numbers to kind of build my future, like they're telling me for, but I realized I just reached my limit.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I knew that.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: And this is how I use the data to not only build my future, but to know, all right, I'm not gonna be that D1 player right there.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: So at least I made the decision, you know, rationally and using data.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I'm gonna do when I get into your college to whatever.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's so many different ways you can really gamify this and use the numbers, not only just athletically, but you know, from a medical perspective and also from a personal growth perspective.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, you went from the rapid fire to the hot seat.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: What are the top three sports movies, according to Mike?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Art imitating life.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow, top uh sports movies.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh good question, man.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just trying to think there.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, well, not movie, but the all-American.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I know that's gotten really, really goofy in the latter seasons right here, but you know, the all-American is on uh WB, then on Netflix knows about Spencer Paysinger.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: We were on that uh season one, episode 11.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on that.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Check it out.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Also, but it's based on a like a really cool story.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's partially a true story made for Hollywood.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: And Spencer Paysinger literally was born on the wrong side of the tracks in LA.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: And he wanted to play football as a great person.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: He'd actually played for Beverly Hills and went on to Oregon and then played for the NFL.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And he's on every one of the on the set, and also in a little part of that movie every time we were hanging with Spencer Paysinger.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's cool because it was totally made for Hollywood, but it is based on a true story.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that I think is just always going to be a you know kind of a favorite for me as well because I'm in it, actually.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, it is a good message, and it showed how he really used sports to build his future.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, of course, you know, the you know, the the blind side and all the other great ones, but I can't think of any other ones right off at the bat right there.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, check out the all American.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm putting a pen into the more recent.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: And stuff that's kind of a little goofy.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: But also, if you look at the last season right here, when they flashed any of the combine scenes, you see the red gates on the field right there.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Those are Zybek Sports gates doing the 510-5, and we have the 40-yard dash and everything set up.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think you're going to see our equipment in probably five, almost every episode, every episode I've watched, yeah.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: They flash to the combine on the field.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: We're there.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Just kind of fun.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I haven't seen that show you in a long time.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's awesome.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think about, you know, that this is such a great yardstick for athletes, but it doesn't mean that you're guaranteed a scholarship.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean that you're guaranteed a spot on a team.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: It just gives you some parameters to work with.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I love what you're doing.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I know Aaron and I are excited about working with you here in November.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: And again, continuing the relationship well into the next coming years, 27 and beyond.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, where can people get a hold of you?
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's a website, your social media handles, or an email.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, um, any of our social media, it's Zybex Sports, they can definitely come contact me at Mike at Zybexports.com and you know, follow us on social media.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: And you we have a lot of great stories and you know, really, you know, bringing it home to the Colorado thing.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Go to our social media and you know, search Shiloh Sanders.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: He Shiloh is so great.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: He did some amazing videos with us, you know, showing uh showing us working with Shiloh.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: But not only that, but he came out to the Colorado Youth Invitational.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we did their SU and we spent you know half a day with these youth athletes we were doing.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it was fun.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I think also look at some of those youth things we've done with the Colorado Youth Invitational, where we've we've been doing it so long.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's a fourth, fourth to eighth grade.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: We've got so many things we posted where we show the same athlete, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: We show his picture and his numbers, how that athlete is growing faster than the average defensive back, let's say.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that's just exciting to see.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: And you can, it really humanizes what we're doing right here when you see it through the eyes of these pictures and how these athletes are growing with the numbers.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is so awesome.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, thank you for building the measurement infrastructure that finally gives athletes the truth about where they stand.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Team, if this conversation hits you, two do two things for us.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: One, share this episode, send it to a high school athlete making recruiting decisions based on hard 40 times and coaches assessment.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: The parent investing in development without objective data, the coach who wants to give the athletes the same measurement standard that the NFL uses.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: And two, find Cybek Sports as and get tested.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be doing it in November, but you could uh check out their website, might give you all that information.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: You could always do a search.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're an athlete who wants to know where you actually stand with the same technology and methodology that the pros use, this is where you start.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a parent athlete, if you're an athlete parent or coach ready to raise the standard, check out Aaron and myself at blueprintbluechip.com.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: We help athletes build identity, discipline, and legacy that goes well beyond the game.
• 47:06
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• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: It helps us reach more athletes, families, and coaches that need to hear Mike's message.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is a standard podcast, and this movement only grows when we raise the standard together.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Talent fades, but truth endures.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: Let's raise the bar, rebuild the culture, become the standard.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, thanks so much for taking time out of your day with me uh with Aaron and myself.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're excited about the partnership moving forward.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron, thank you for being the magician that makes the magic happen.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: You guys have a great rest of your day.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Mike, that was awesome.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for