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12 ‘Toxic’ Manosphere Beliefs About Women (That Are Actually True) · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Brian, who with Allison, and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame twelve toxic Manisphere beliefs about women that are actually true.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be looking at a listical that was
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  Speaker 1: put out there by MSN dot com and it is
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  Speaker 1: called twelve toxic beliefs about women Men develop thanks to
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  Speaker 1: the Manisphere.
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  Speaker 2: And that's us yep, that's us.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. There's basically anyone online talking about relationships in a
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  Speaker 1: way that is like pragmatic or based on science or something.
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  Speaker 2: It's anyone online addressing men as if they're a legitimate
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  Speaker 2: category of being. Let's be right, So it's not just relationships,
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  Speaker 2: it's also fitness advice. Any acknowledgment that men have a
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  Speaker 2: right to exist is part of the manosphere because men
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  Speaker 2: should live in a permanent state of proving their right
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  Speaker 2: to exist by submitting to institutional and feminist narratives. That's
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  Speaker 2: how it works, guys. So get those uh, get those
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  Speaker 2: orders and start submitting to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, okay, so and go ahead and do
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, So what I wanted to do with this
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  Speaker 2: article is we're gonna go through each one and I
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  Speaker 2: have looked at or I've found essentially the opposite sex.
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  Speaker 2: So you just switched the genders in each comment and
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  Speaker 2: see how it maps to feminist orthodoxy. Right, So the
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  Speaker 2: question is do each of these toxic manosphere beliefs about women?
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  Speaker 2: Are they popular normalized feminist orthodoxy? Do they exist as
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you just swap the genders. Are they
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  Speaker 2: basically things that feminists assert and even base policy and
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  Speaker 2: expectations and what they say about the on. So the
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  Speaker 2: real question here is are these supposed toxic menisphere assertions
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  Speaker 2: about women when you switch the genders and you find
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  Speaker 2: out that this is actually a very common feminist assertion
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  Speaker 2: and a very common assertion about men by women online,
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  Speaker 2: are they still toxic? Are they still seen as toxic?
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  Speaker 2: Are they more toxic on a fundamental level? And then
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  Speaker 2: the other thing I'm going to we're going to look
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  Speaker 2: at is how much when you when you switch the
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  Speaker 2: genders and map this on to feminist orthodoxy, how much
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  Speaker 2: are these attitudes towards the opposite sex worth in real money?
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  Speaker 2: I give you, guys approximation of how much feminism is
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  Speaker 2: making off of the reverse gendered truth these beliefs about
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  Speaker 2: men that these represent. Am I am I conveying what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm saying that we're gonna switch the genders
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  Speaker 2: and look at what's actually being said about men, not
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  Speaker 2: just what the manosphere is allegedly saying about women. And
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  Speaker 2: then look at the each of these and look at
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  Speaker 2: the actual thing that normal people say, and whether like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll take these straw men and we'll turn them into
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  Speaker 2: the things that are actually being said, and we'll look
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  Speaker 2: at how reasonable those things are. So those are the
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  Speaker 2: three things that I plan, hopefully you'll enjoy that. I
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  Speaker 2: really get a kick out out of finding how much
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  Speaker 2: each of these feminist misinterest statements about men is worth
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  Speaker 2: in the in the greater economy. That always, that always
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  Speaker 2: is very illuminating. But yeah, let's say, do you want
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  Speaker 2: to start with the first one?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, well, this is the introduction, so this is not
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  Speaker 1: the first list. This is introducing the list. So let's introduced.
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  Speaker 1: It's a thirteen slide. So do you guys remember when
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  Speaker 1: you were in well no, you're probably all too young
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  Speaker 1: when the teacher will bring out the slide machine and
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  Speaker 1: you had to watch slides, but you were excited, likelies
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  Speaker 1: that would go with the record. They play like a record,
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  Speaker 1: and then he would like hit the slides when there
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  Speaker 1: would be like a sound. You just remember that. I
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  Speaker 1: remember that anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was. I just remember them popping a
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  Speaker 2: vvc R tape in the VCR player, and then we'd
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  Speaker 2: watch something that. Yeah, that was when I got hold right, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so the slides came first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they would do the slide machine and there
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  Speaker 1: would be like a record or a cassette tape that
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  Speaker 1: would accompany it if you were like reading or we
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  Speaker 1: were looking at a story or something, right, Like I
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  Speaker 1: remember I read Frankenstein, but I also watched Frankenstein on
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  Speaker 1: like a slide machine. But anyway, I digress. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna look at thirteen slides. Slide number one The
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  Speaker 1: manusphere picture related. The manisphere has become a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a digital rabbit hole, and it's remarkably easy for men
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  Speaker 1: to fall down it without realizing how much it's warping
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  Speaker 1: their view of the world. You've likely I've seen the
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  Speaker 1: clips of men in expensive suits talking about high value
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  Speaker 1: individuals and female nature, as if they've cracked some secret
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  Speaker 1: code to life. On the surface, it's often sold to
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  Speaker 1: self improvement or harsh truths, but underneath the gym talk
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  Speaker 1: and the financial advice, there's a steady drip of ideas
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  Speaker 1: that turn women into opponents rather than partners. Do you
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  Speaker 1: want to say anything to that before I get in
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  Speaker 1: another paragraph of the.
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  Speaker 2: Intro opponents rather than partners. Okay, so what what where
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  Speaker 2: does do Where do we situate that whole men oppress
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  Speaker 2: women for their own benefit? Where do we situate that
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  Speaker 2: narrative in the promoting men and women as partners versus
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  Speaker 2: mortal enemies? Where do we situate that? Right? And I
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  Speaker 2: know people are like, well, but that's the truth, though
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  Speaker 2: it isn't. It's never been proven. There is no science
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  Speaker 2: that supports the feminist assertion that men oppress women for
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  Speaker 2: their own benefit. None. And they will say, well, there
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  Speaker 2: are men in yeah, but those men in charge don't
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  Speaker 2: use the power that they have to protect and provide
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  Speaker 2: for other men. See see how that works. So that's
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  Speaker 2: never been proven. So we have this narrative, this ubiquitous narrative, right,
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  Speaker 2: men oppress women for their own benefit? And I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about you, but I think that creates a lot
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  Speaker 2: of resentment between men and women, perhaps even an attitude
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  Speaker 2: that men are women's enemies. Hey, yeah, and now we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about how men are embracing attitudes that make women
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  Speaker 2: enemies of them. Well, wasn't that already established? Like why
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  Speaker 2: didn't we already establish that seventy five years ago with
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  Speaker 2: women's studies programs, We've already we're living in the post
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  Speaker 2: men and women are mortal enemies era. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: men online that established this because there was no online
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  Speaker 2: seventy five years ago. So how how could the there
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  Speaker 2: was no there was no all line men isphere seventy
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  Speaker 2: five years ago when academia collectively decided that men and
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  Speaker 2: women were Sorry men like, women are never men's enemies,
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  Speaker 2: of course, They're just angels constantly being crushed by the
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  Speaker 2: forces of male malfeasance. So but men are definitely the
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  Speaker 2: enemies of women. I think we established that. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: now now we're going to be talking about how men
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  Speaker 2: did that? All right, Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, the manisphere are just essentially informed men that
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  Speaker 1: women can see them as their enemy and that they
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  Speaker 1: should like prepare themselves. Yeah, because men are most men
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  Speaker 1: are going into encounters and relationships with women, assuming that
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  Speaker 1: women don't like that. They haven't been propagandized for seventy
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  Speaker 1: five years to fear and hate them. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean that every woman's effective by those things. But the
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  Speaker 1: manispeer is just letting them know. You know, these people
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  Speaker 1: have been conditioned to hate you and fear you, and
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  Speaker 1: they may they may not, but they may.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, and I mean honestly, the women
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  Speaker 2: who who evade this probably are outliers of particularly stout disposition,
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  Speaker 2: shall we say, because this is this is I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to even talk to the manisphere. Just
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  Speaker 2: look at how women talk about men on Twitter, like
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  Speaker 2: it's rare to find women, it's rarely. We're actually supportive
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  Speaker 2: rather than overtly hostile. Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is that these beliefs aren't just harmless opinions,
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  Speaker 1: they're toxic scripts that make real, healthy connection almost impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of learning how to build a life with someone,
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  Speaker 1: men are being taught how to manage or outsmart them,
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  Speaker 1: which only leads to a cycle of loneliness and resentment.
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  Speaker 1: These twelve beliefs on how the manisphere, bit by bit
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  Speaker 1: completely destroys a man's ability to see women as actual
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  Speaker 1: human beings, proving that the red pill is often just
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  Speaker 1: a recipe for ay a very bitter and isolated life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Like Brian was saying, the manisphere is making
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  Speaker 2: men aware, and I think actually the next the latest
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  Speaker 2: generation is very much aware that women regard men as
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  Speaker 2: their enemy. I think there's no pretense in that generation anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They're aware of that, like the young men of Generation Z.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're not, they're not really paying attention. But
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  Speaker 2: the manisphere is simply saying that, it's simply saying, this
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  Speaker 2: is the effects of this narrative on women, right, that
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  Speaker 2: they are going to regard you as something that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be managed as a man like that. Women need
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  Speaker 2: to manage you because you are inherently evil, because you
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  Speaker 2: are inherently going to oppress her, so she needs to
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  Speaker 2: be constantly on guard in a relationship with you. And
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  Speaker 2: the manosphere is saying, well, this is the likely outcome
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  Speaker 2: of these messages on women and their behavior towards you,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe don't take it personally. Yeah, when she implodes
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  Speaker 2: your relationship because she's constantly assumed the worst about your
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  Speaker 2: behavior and your expectations, maybe don't take it so personally
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  Speaker 2: that you regard yourself as a burden that needs to
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  Speaker 2: be removed off the earth. Right, that kind of messaging.
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  Speaker 2: But no, that's not allowed. We can continue, we can
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  Speaker 2: continue to promote the idea that men are women's enemies.
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  Speaker 2: But we can't recognize that promoting the idea that men
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  Speaker 2: are women's enemies causes women to treat men like their enemy.
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  Speaker 2: That's evil manisphere talk. I'm just okay. I know this
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  Speaker 2: is a bit of an aside, but I just recently
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  Speaker 2: learned that there is a hen house of feminist academics
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  Speaker 2: who are writing papers about me. I'm probably you too, Brian, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're writing papers about how I am a representation of
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  Speaker 2: how patriarchy captures women. Of course, just there's just one, like,
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  Speaker 2: the only one woman, so patriarchy is not very effective.
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  Speaker 2: But you know that that's I'm evidence that patriarchy is
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  Speaker 2: a backlash. Apparently, I know that there's plenty more, Like
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  Speaker 2: there's other people who are probably being written about as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a real startling to realize that, no, they
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  Speaker 2: have a you could have a syllabus on me about
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  Speaker 2: how I am captured by patriarchy and have no thoughts
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  Speaker 2: of my own and I'm simply a parrot of someone
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  Speaker 2: I don't know who.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I just thought you, how could you believe
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  Speaker 1: what you believe? Why would you go up against your
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  Speaker 1: own best self interest? Blah blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you know, I don't think it's in my
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  Speaker 2: self interest any of this. Like, I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: go into it because I was pure. I was like
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  Speaker 2: motivated by self interest. But I just at the end
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  Speaker 2: of like twenty years looking at this stuff, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it benefits women. Definitely doesn't benefit men. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's continue, let's I just wanted to point it out because.
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  Speaker 1: This is just me. It's just like laying setting the stage,
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  Speaker 1: all right. I will say this though, when we started
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  Speaker 1: doing this in twenty fifteen twelve, I mean, you guys
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  Speaker 1: were doing longer, but I got involved in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: The mainstream websites, this is MSN dot com, they would
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  Speaker 1: do anything to avoid talking about us, or they didn't
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  Speaker 1: know about us at all. Now they realized they can't
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  Speaker 1: ignore us anymore. So now they're trying to attack us.
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  Speaker 1: And you know how the saying goes, right, First they
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  Speaker 1: first they laugh at you, then they I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how it goes exactly, but then they attack you. Then
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  Speaker 1: you win. They ignore you, they laugh at you, they
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  Speaker 1: attack you, than the then you win, right. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: I think they're at the attacking part, which means that
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  Speaker 1: they are losing. And you're right, Generation Z, the young
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  Speaker 1: men growing up, they're coming up. Now I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: it's all of them. I know somebody in the chat's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be like, but they're just as cooked. Shut up.
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  Speaker 1: They are. There's more of them that are waking up
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  Speaker 1: to this stuff than previous generations. And you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean could look look at my generation. Generation X
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  Speaker 1: is probably like a lot of white knights, So I
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  Speaker 1: think that that's definitely changing. They have to put out
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  Speaker 1: this propaganda to try to counter the messaging when they're
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  Speaker 1: these this these media apparatus are dying. Like there's a
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  Speaker 1: chart I was gonna get that showed where legacy media
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  Speaker 1: like you know, the MSN and and these websites are
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  Speaker 1: actually like the least visited. And it's more the people
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  Speaker 1: on social media, the influencers and such that are getting
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  Speaker 1: the most reach and their and their panics. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what I think that this is. This is desperation, like
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to like put out whatever to try to
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  Speaker 1: stop this from spreading, and there's no stopping it, like
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  Speaker 1: it no stopping it. So all right anyway, Yeah, number one,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that they put this in listic goals
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  Speaker 1: tells you too how out of touch they are. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: really likes these this is BuzzFeed ship. But anyway, Number one,
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  Speaker 1: women are fundamentally less intelligent and rational than men. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: or do you want to say something about it?
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  Speaker 2: Right? What if it's true?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What if? What if that is actually true? And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: creating an entire narrative in which women can shift blame
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  Speaker 2: for the consequences of their own actions onto men has
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  Speaker 2: actually made this a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen studies on public perception of women's agency.
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  Speaker 2: It's declined since nineteen forty. We see women as less agentic,
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  Speaker 2: like less that their actions have less consequences now than
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  Speaker 2: we did in nineteen forty. Is this like progress? So
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  Speaker 2: what if it's true? Like this is my question? What
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  Speaker 2: if it's true? What if that is a thing that's happening?
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  Speaker 2: What if when I go on the on the twitters
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  Speaker 2: and I ask groc to look at a feminist's Twitter
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  Speaker 2: history and determine how much she reduces women's agency so
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  Speaker 2: the recognition of the consequences of her actions relative to men,
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  Speaker 2: And then I say, groc estimate what she's soft lobotomizing
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  Speaker 2: out of her brain by doing that, and Groc says, ah,
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  Speaker 2: our entire suprebral cortex. Maybe I'm onto something. Maybe teaching
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  Speaker 2: women to do this is making them less intelligent and
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  Speaker 2: more irrational. Feminism is making women less intelligent and more irrational.
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  Speaker 2: But we can we have well, well, of course we
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  Speaker 2: can have that discussion, you and me, Brian. Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not anywhere else, but certainly here among the uh with
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  Speaker 2: the woman who apparently is so so stupid. All she
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  Speaker 2: can do is parrot things that men have told her
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  Speaker 2: by some kind of thought transference. You know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: it's not me waking up at three am and then
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  Speaker 2: just like being like, oh my god, I've figured it out. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's somehow pat well, maybe that is patriarchy. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's the fathership beaming it into my head, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: Could be all right, yep, could be all right. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read while I read this. Should you want
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  Speaker 1: me to read this or no?
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  Speaker 2: Just go to just go to the night, all right.
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  Speaker 1: The matosphere pushes the idea that women are emotional, irrational
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  Speaker 1: creatures incapable of logic, and men are rational thinkers who
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't listen to women's perspectives. Believing this allows men to
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  Speaker 1: dismiss any criticism or feedback from women as emotional without
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  Speaker 1: actually engaging with what's being said. It creates relationships where
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  Speaker 1: men don't respect their partner's judgment, ignore their input on decisions,
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  Speaker 1: and treat them like children needing some male guidance.
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  Speaker 2: Because when a man come when a woman comes out
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  Speaker 2: and says that I don't know, I think that now,
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you finish that, but I have, it isn't
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  Speaker 2: based on reality.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a convenient way to avoid accountability when women
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  Speaker 1: point out problematic behavior. So it's just a way. This
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  Speaker 1: is like the the it's just a way for men
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  Speaker 1: to avoid accountability when women, correctly, I guess, point out
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  Speaker 1: problematic behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And that problematic behavior is basically that.
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  Speaker 1: Existing as a man, we existing.
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  Speaker 2: As a man, but also that women are they're making
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  Speaker 2: women feel bad, right, So I mean, here's the thing
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  Speaker 2: if this assumes that this occurs when women, okay, but
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  Speaker 2: here's the okay, when women are pointing out problematic behavior,
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  Speaker 2: So what is what is the problematic behavior that women
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  Speaker 2: point out?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Wanting to go to the pub with your friends, wanting
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  Speaker 2: to play a game when you're unwinding, like what what
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  Speaker 2: is the problem?
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  Speaker 1: Act room talk? Voting the wrong way? Yeah, asking questions
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  Speaker 1: that essentially, you know, potentially frame women as responsible adults,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, why why did you do these things
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  Speaker 1: that made you more vulnerable, which, of course they just
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  Speaker 1: call victim blaming. I don't know, not not simply worshiping
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  Speaker 1: them for existing. Uh, that There's a number of things.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's like basically you can just go on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: and put in men and you'll get like endless videos.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but what how about how about this is a question?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: All right, So it goes to this, some that women
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: are in a position to point out problematic behavior in men.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: What if they aren't hmm, what what if that isn't
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: we can't assume that what if women aren't constantly correct
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: about their judgments of men's behavior? Okay, so what what
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: is the what is the thing that this is assuming
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: it's assuming that women's emotions are convictions about men's behavior,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and then it's saying if men are like, well maybe
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: your emotions are wrong, It's like, no, that's not allowed.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Don't you understand that a woman's emotions are convictions of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: your behavior. You have engaged in felony upsetting. That's there's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: there's an assumption at the heart of this that women
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: are to stand in judgment of men's behavior. Is there
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: an equivalent thing for men? Can they stand in judgment
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of women's behavior? And if it's women's emotions that give
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: them the wherewithal to do this, why can't men be like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have accused me of felony upsetting. Perhaps
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I am innocent. Let's look at what made you upset
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and see if it's reasonable. That's not allowed. No, that
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: is just more misogyny heaped on the felony upsetting. Okay,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at my I'm gonna look at my chart,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: all right, So this is the feminist reframing gender reversed
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: mainstream framing about men. So this isn't just like this.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: These beliefs don't just come out of nowhere. They come
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: out and they are direct, symmetrical like remapping of feminist
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and women in general. I guess we can say that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: now belief about men. Men are emotionally stunted, lack empathy,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: cannot communicate, and need women to civilize them, make socialization.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Male socialization makes men less safe and less relationally competent.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: That is a very common attitude towards men, and yet
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: it is almost the direct reverse of what they are
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: calling out and attributing to the manosphere. So at worst,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: what they've said is, well, you see these attitudes that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: we've expressed about men for seventy five years, the manosphere
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: has turned them around and expressed them about women. That
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: isn't cricket? Yeah, all right? So what okay? So what's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the reasonable observation underneath? Sex linked averages and temperament and
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: interests exist, but intelligence and rationality overlap heavily. Not at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the tails though, guys. There tend to be more men
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: who are not as intelligent and more men who are
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: much more intelligent. And I actually think the average women
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: are lower.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: On the average too, there are more male geniuses and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: there are more male morons towards the center of the curve.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, And women's risk assessment is one more sensitive
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: than men's. Yes, So sometimes they are going to be
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: wrong when they charge a man with felony. Upset right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that nobody's According to this, men are not allowed to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: question both sexes misperceive each other's strengths and blind spots. Well, yes,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: because you know, two sexes aren't necessarily completely understand what's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: going on with the other one. So this has a
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: direct correlate among feminist misondery feminist orthodoxy. So essentially what
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they're saying is manosphere has reversed an element of feminist
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: orthodoxy and applied it to women, and we don't like that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: That's that's wrong. We got to have laws. There's got
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to be a law, right, okay, next one.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: All right? Number two, all women. And notice too that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: all of these like talking points are bringing up are
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: they're sort of like presented as like gross generalizations, like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: all women everywhere always just like be on the lookout
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: for these emotional words of the use to frame their
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the case, because I don't think anyone is saying all
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: all the time, right, and then like the whole thing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: superior inferior, like this previous thing where women are fundamentally
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: less intelligent, like this is like the same emotional language.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The purpose of it is to get people upset, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it works on women, by the way, because they are
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you know, generally less rational, so they're gonna see something
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like this, just something that makes the generalization and they're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: gonna lose it and they're gonna get angry. And that's
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what MSN wants, because if they can't like make men
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: essentially get back on the plantation and fall in line,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: then they can at least make the women angrier at
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: those men. So and then they'll just let the women
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: do it and that and I think that is an
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: effective tactic. I did get a super chow. I should
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: read before I get into number two. Richard Bierre gave
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: us five dollars and says, is it time to start
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a fundraiser to cover the expenses of Alison confronting this
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Henhouse feminist in person to bikini jello wrestle her into submission?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Richard, very tasty.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to put something so you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Don't want to see that you don't know, we don't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: know the other person.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, I don't want to see that. I'm no,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: thank you. Well, I mean we could do fully clothed
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: jello wrestling. Oh it's bikini Well, we could do bikini
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: over fully clothed jello wrestling. But then, like who knows
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that she could be like a ham beast right, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: there's no purchase to be had even without the jello.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So there's like, how do you wrestle a hamd beast?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: You just get out of the way falls, all right,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Number two, All women, everywhere, for all time are hypergamous
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: gold diggers chasing resources. Mans fair ideology claims women only
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: care about money and status, always trading up to richer,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: more powerful men while lying about their true motivations. This
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: poisons men's ability to trust that anyone could genuinely care
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about them rather than what they provide. Every interaction with
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: women gets viewed through suspicion and transactional thinking. Men who
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: believe this become bitter and resentful, treating relationships as economic
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: exchanges rather than emotional connections. The irony is these beliefs
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: make them terrible partners, which then confirms their worldview when
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: relationships inevitably fail. Haha, jokes on you, men. Let women
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: be however they want, all right, So yeah about that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: All right. So the single biggest causal factor to whether
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: or not a man married as if he makes twice
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: as much as at the average salary, and around the world,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest factors to divorce is lose a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: man losing his job. So this is this is actually
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: one rue. Women are hypergamus. They have not released men
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: from their traditional expectations at all whatsoever. So on average,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: women wait status, resources more, and men weight, youth, looks
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: more in maate choice Okay, and both sexes can act
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: opportunistically under certain incentives, so that's not we're not like
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: denying that, right. However, this narrative, let's reverse it. Let
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: us let us reverse the genders and see if it
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: maps onto any kind of feminist narratives. Men only care
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: about youth and beauty, this is the feminist narrative and sex.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: They disregard women as they age and replace them with
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: you younger models, male gaze and trophy wife culture. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: we've already got a feminist condemnation of men that maps
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: one to one with what they're saying the manisphere says
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: about women. Okay, So yeah, that's ah. Once again, they're
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: just basically accusing the manisphere of what they are guilty.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: And also, while there is evidence that men like want
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: youth and beauty, and there's definitely evidence that women want
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: status and resources, right, at least the manisphere is like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: just that's a thing, Okay. This is this is basically
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: saying you can't say that women are hypergamous while condemning
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: men for their own what what they prefer in a mate.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. It's like, so you can't
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: just be honest about what men and women prefer. You
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: cannot actually say that women still hold men to a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: traditional standard of providership, even though that is factually true
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: based on the statistics, Like that women are hypergamas. Okay,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that is a thing, but we can't say that because
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I guess it's insulting to women, but we can say
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the equivalent to men. That's okay, all right, let's uh
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: move on to the next one.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say something else about this too when
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: they call it right, No, it's okay. The first two
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: words manisphere ideology. So you notice they use the word
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: ideology to describe the manisphere. I don't think the manisphere
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is an ideology. An ideology is a set of beliefs
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that give you, like a fairly coherent framework for understanding
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the world, like how society, economy, whatever it is works.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: But it also includes a guide to political social action,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: like it's basically implied a bunch of aughts to come
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with an ideology like you know, I believe this, therefore
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: we should do these things. Right. The thing is, the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: red Pill is not an ideology or the manisphere. It's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a toolkit. It's a it's an understanding, and what you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: do with that knowledge. It's a set of tools that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you get. What you do with them is up to you,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: which is why we have different like solutions. Right, you
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: have the red pill pick up guys like the PUAs.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: They're not called pas anymore. But you got like your PUAs,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you got like your MiG taw, you got your MRAs
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like us that are trying to like you know, address
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the legal issues that are a problem. And then you've
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: got lots of other little like offshoots. You got pro natalists,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you got all these other groups, you know, people who
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: are just focused on the fitness, people are just focused
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: on the building of wealth. So I'm just saying, like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: when they say manispeer ideology, they're trying to make it
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: sound like a cult by attributing a set of not
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: just like ideas with it, but like a mission, right,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and that's not what it is. Like what you take.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: What you do with that knowledge is up to you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Some people just go on with life as normal. They
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: don't even do anything. They just go with that understanding
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and they use those tools to navigate that, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that environment. Like I have a friend who is with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: someone and he knows all the red pill stuff. He
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was a big follower of Kevin Samuels. But he's not
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like he didn't plant his flag in like Mick Tawer
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: or Pua or anything. He's just using the knowledge to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: like help himself, you know, navigate his relationships. So I
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: think it's important to point out that when they say
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: menisphere ideology, they're trying to do this more of this emotional,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: scary language to make women think, oh my god, it's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a cult. But it's not so.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: No, it's just a recognition that men sort of have
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: their own approach to life. Really because think about how
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: it keeps expanding, Like look at it. Like there's a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: document about the manisphere that we read like a couple
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I think a week ago, and they literally put everything
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: in it, right, They everything related to a man having
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: an opinion or wanting to pursue an aim. I'm surprised
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: they didn't put therapy in it. Oh, all these men,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: they're man therapy izing. You know, I guess that's that's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: so female coded that it's always going to be okay,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure eventually we will see an article on
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: man therapy and why it's bad and why men go
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to the same therapists as women go to and they
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have therapists that recognize they might have different pressures
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: or different expectations or different ways of approaching things like grief. No,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that's not acceptable. I'm I'm predicting it. Okay, I'm gonna market.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So let's say it's January sixteenth, twenty twenty six. Oh god,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: January sixteenth. Alison predicts that eventually they'll go after men therapy,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: which is therapists who actually recognize that men are different
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: than women or have their own attitudes or pressures or
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: expectations or goals. And that's perfectly fine. They don't just say, well,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you know, everything that you face, women have it worse
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and you're to blame for everything. Okay, all right?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Next number three, women's value decreases dramatically with age, while
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: men's increases. The manosphere obsessed obsesses, so it's another one
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of these buzzwords. Right, they are obsessed, like they don't sleep,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: They're like whyd eyed have three in the morning thinking
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: about women in the wall, Like nobody does that. But
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: they got to tell you this. They got to make
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it sound like they're crazy people that are irrational. The
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: manisphere obsesses over the idea that women hit the wall
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: around thirty and become worthless more of this language, but
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: men become more valuable as they age. It's deeply rooted
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: in reducing women to their reproductive capacity and physical appearance,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: while valuing men for their things that genuinely do improve
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with age, like career success. It encourages men to pursue
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: much younger women and discard partners who've aged alongside them.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: The cruelty becomes obvious when you realize it's justifying abandoning
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: women who've invested years in relationships once they're deemed past
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: their prime.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, why is it that when women do sex
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: tourism they always go after like the sixteen year old
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Jamaican boys? You know, because I think that youth is yeah, yeah,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I think youth is equal opportunity here and it's I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: mean and you know, yes, it hits women harder because
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: they have something called menopause, which is the end of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: their reproductive life span, and men don't have that as starkly,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But why would something like, yes, men prefer women of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a certain age. That doesn't mean they're leaving their wives
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: as far as I can tell. In fact, it's women
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: leaving their like it's when it's sixty. When you see
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: six year olds divorcing, it's initiated by the women almost invariably.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So obviously men are staying with their wives. So what
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: is even okay that? What is this even all right?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: So the okay, okay, So women's value decreases dramatically with age.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Men become less desirable with age if they don't actually achieve,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: so they go from being maybe somebody with potential to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: uh immature, stuck or Peter pants. So there is also
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: like an ageism quality for this, yeah, failure to launch.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So depending, men are also judged for their age and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: their achievement corresponding to that age. So yeah, that's I mean,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: it's not quite a one to one. But then there's
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: also all of the feminist celebration of women going after
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: younger men. Is that like this is this is well
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: This is celebrated now in in in female culture, right,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So they're they're taking a biological reality and they're blaming
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: it on men, and there's not really an equivalent one
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: for men. So there's there's no real one to one reversal.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: But here's the Here is the the less straw end.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Physical attractiveness and fertility declined with age for women, income status,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and some competencies right with age for men. Both both
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: sexes face trade offs as they age, And the honest
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to god thing is that this isn't even in play anymore.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Women want a man who looks like he's twenty five,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: has the money of a fifty five year old and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the wisdom of a seventy five year old. Right, They're
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: they're they don't even they're not even tolerating age in men.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: The standards have gotten so high. So this seems to be,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: this seems to be behind the curve. Shall we move on?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: The other thing I will I want to add to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: this too is that even if even though all these
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: things are true, well in terms of like the wall
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and this and all that they there, there's also some
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: claims in here that men would be really irrational because
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: that they would just like leave their partners for a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: younger woman. Only a certain class of men can do that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Most men, like the overwhelming majority, can't do that, and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: they know it, so they're not stupid. Leonardo Dicabrio gets
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: away with it because he's Leonardo DiCaprio, okay, And these
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: women are still butt hurt over that, by the way.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So it just tells you that when they talk about
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: what they don't like that men, you know, like this
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: idea that as a man gets older, his sexual market
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: value goes up, assuming that he like follows through on
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: everything in the same way that a woman's sexual market
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: value is good when she's younger, assuming that she takes
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: care of herself. Because you can have like somebody who's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: unattractive that's very young as well because they didn't take
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: care of themselves because they weren't maintaining themselves right while
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: also investing. And but the thing is is that even
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: if you were a man who did that, that doesn't
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: mean you're going to have the same access that like
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a guy in the one percent, the top one percent has,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: which is often what these things refer to when they say, well,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: these men are just doing this to women. They're talking
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: about the men at the top that can do that
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: because they have women lined up, so you know, like
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that's not the average man is aware of it. This
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: is so that they understand the way the world works.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That's all this is, you know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm still and honestly I still think like if
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: you age matched men and women even into your seventies,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I think women would probably still have that premium on
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: being able to get sex. Yeah, I mean maybe not
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: once you hit the point where you know, widow widows
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: outnumber widowers like five to one. But think about it
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: like this is this is basically women complaining about getting
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a huge bonus at the beginning that declines over time, right,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: and then you know, they have to move into a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: different stage in their life. They have to become a mother,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: they have to become you know, a matron. They have
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to start thinking about raising something else and investing in
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: something else, not just being you know, available for a
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: few more grabs on the marketplace. And that's just so petty.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And if men were complaining about something like that, if
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: men got a huge bonus at the bei beginning of
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: their lives, feminist wouldn't tolerate it for a second. But
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: here's some additional stuff industries around empowering older women's dating
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and sexuality, plus narratives that older single men are creepy
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: or dangerous. Okay, so this is like that. There is
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: also this undercurrent that older men are creepy, right, and predatory.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: We don't see that with women. If a woman is dating,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: like a fifty year old woman is dating a twenty
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: two year old man, they don't think of it as predatory.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: But think about a man doing that, he's automatically cast
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: as predatory. But anyway, I think that this is, like
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I said, there's not a really good one to one here.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: This is just basically griping about being ha and a
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: gigantic bonus at the beginning of your reproductive life and
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: then frittering it away on nonsense. Okay, let's keep yep.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's what it is, all right. Number four. Women are
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: naturally manipulative and deceptive according to manuspeer logic, separate from
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: normal logic. Again, note the language. All women are mass manipulators,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: using crying emotions and sexuality to control and exploit men.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: This frames normal human behavior like expressing feelings as calculated manipulation.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Designed to get something from men. It makes what.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: No finish the sentence, sorry, makes.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Of genuine emotion, treating vulnerability as a weapon rather than
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: human connection. Do you want me to finish the paragraph?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: So I just learned today that Manifestel is part of
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the manosphere. Yeah, Like what do all the dating strategy
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: women say use sexuality and manipulation to get that bag?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Like I'm watching this come out of the mouths of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: what I presume our women, Right, Sheira looks like a woman,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Manifestel looks like a woman. Byrony and Rainbow Shite seem
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to be more on the political end of all this.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: But but all of the dating strategy women, this is
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: exactly what they say to do to men. And then
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I've heard just regular women discuss dealing with men, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: they just they discuss relationships like with men the way
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know intelligence analysts during the Cold War would
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: have discussed the Soviet industrial complex. It's like, oh, well,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: if we move our missile base, if I move my
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: missile base into the into the bathroom, then I think
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'll have a good strategic you know, leverage over him.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: And like this is not coming from men, If anything
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: from my experience, and I'm coming from the side of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the possibly the most paranoid men. Yeah, men are not
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: paranoid enough. Women are like they're just like I said,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: they've been propagandazed, as Brian would say, for seventy five
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: years into this narrative that men are their dire enemies,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: which is why you get these female dating strategists to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: talk about relationships the way you would expect of someone talking,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: you know, in like I don't know the French court
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: about deadly intrigue. You know, I gotta, I gotta make
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: sure that I don't I don't reveal any of my vulnerabilities,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: and I gotta, I gotta, I gotta go quickly, you know, quickly,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And I don't don't look, don't look frightening, frightened because
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: he might strike. And this is like coming from women,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it's psychotic. I mean, like I said, this is this
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: particular woman I'm thinking about, right, She had that particular
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: affect where they do with a really low voice and
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: then the very stone face, right, And she was talking
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: about this relationship like she was angling for position in
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a Cold war. And I'm why would you be in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: a relationship with someone who you think is your geopolitical enemy.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? And this is what this
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: is the end result of feminism saying that basically women
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: think this is normal, and men, on the other hand,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: are just like blindsided by this. They get into the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: relationships with women like this and they don't know where
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that came from because they're they're get a different message.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: There's like, oh, yeah, being in a relationship with a
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: woman is gonna be so wonderful. She's gonna listen to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: what I have to say. She's gonna care about my interests,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: she's gonna care about my feelings. We're gonna build a
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: life together. It's gonna be an adventure. And then you
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: find out that the woman that you're with is treating
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you like a I don't know, a foreign power that
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: is at any moment poised to engage in nuclear and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: lliolation against her, I don't know, continuous states or something right,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And men are just blindsided by that, and also that
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: this woman, who has been primed to regard you as
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: an enemy, has one foot out the door all the time.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And the manosphere is like, well, this is how you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: deal with it, but what are we done with.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Well, if this is how you avoid these consequences.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is how you avoid these.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: A friend or something like that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So let's did you finish this treating this?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's a little bit more. When you view every
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: woman as fundamentally dishonest, again, more of this, you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: broad strokes stuff. You can't form trusting relationships because you're
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: constantly looking for hidden agendas. It also conveniently absolves men
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of responsibility. They're just innocent victims of women's schemes.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: The projection on that that is uh and it's.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Convictions of women's schemes. So yeah, that that projection on
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that is incredible.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Should I go to the next one?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Uh? No, I have to. I have to.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you gotta get your things out.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I just I navigated away from it, which
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: was a mistake. Okay. So here is the gender reversed
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: item that slots into feminist orthodoxy. Men are manipulative, coercive, predatory,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: gas lighting, coercive control as frame are is framed as
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: male typical tools to dominate partners. Okay, So we have
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: this one that that women are naturally manipulative and deceptive,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: But the feminist framework is that men essentially use intimate
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: relationships as a staging ground for rape and beating in
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: order to maintain patriarchy. So which of these, which of
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: these is worse fundamentally, which of these is more hateful
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: towards the opposite sex. So again we have a situation
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: where the menosphere has hasn't even reversed that right. They
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: aren't alleging that women use manipulation and deception to uphold
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: a gigantic sister oppressive sisterhood. They just say that this
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is something that they're inclined towards, which science also says
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: because women use indirect aggression more, and they use narrative
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: making more right, and they use false accusations more to
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: get what they want because in part they are not
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: as strong, and also because in some ways they do
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: have more social skills when it comes to motivating others
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: to do things for them. So, yes, there's a little
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: bit of there's a kernel of truth to this, But
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: then if you compare it to what feminists say about men,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: it's it's trivial. First of all, I don't think man like.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Let's see, both sexes can and do manipulate. So this
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: is the actual problem statement Some relational strategies. Crying, charm, intimidation,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: stonewalling are sex type, but dishonesty is not exclusive to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: one sex. So that's the the AI like neutral analysis.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: But let's let's bring it down to what actually is true.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Women do use more narrative framing, more social tactics in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: order to get what they want. This is factual. There's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: no argument about this. And if you want to really
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: play a game of whose narrative, sex based narrative is worse,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: feminists win hands down in this because they aren't just
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: saying that men's stone wall or they tend to just
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: internalize things. They are literally saying that men use intimate
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: relationships to pursue a program of rape and domestic violence
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: against women to uphold patriarchy. So they're literally saying that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: men regard relationships in terms of doing war crimes against
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the enemy. Okay, do you see how these things are
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: not really comparable? Menisphere, Yeah, women can. They can be
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: deceptive and lie, you know, they tend to do that
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a bit more because they use more social tactics. Feminism,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: He's going to rape and beat you to uphold his
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: friendship with other men.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Although again another reason why women are they they're more
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: They might do it more is because we kind of
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like incentivize that. We incentivize that, so they do it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: If you want to discourage bad behavior, then you have
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to discourage We have to disincentivize it exactly. So like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: we incentivize it, we support it, we promote it socially, culturally, financially,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: so women do it.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, all right, shall we do.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: The next number of five? Or yeah, number five. High
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: value men deserve multiple women, but women should be monogamous.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: The manisphere promotes the idea that successful men should have
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: access to multiple women, but those same women should remain
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: loyal and exclusive. It's a massive double standard that gets
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: justified through evolutionary psychology arguments that are basically just post
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: hoc rationalization for wanting to cheat without consequences. Men are
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: encouraged to view monogamy as limiting their potential while demanding
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: absolute loyalty from women. The entitlement here is staggering. Women
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: get treated as rewards for male success rather than autonomous
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: people with their own desires and boundaries. I'll let you
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: have that one if you want.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: All right. So the reverse is high value women are
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: told never to settle, keep options open, date up, and
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: leave men who don't meet standards. Male reluctance to commit
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: is demonized, while female serial monogamy is framed as growth.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: And also there is quite a bit of a push
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: towards female polyandre polygamy, polygamy. So I don't know, Like again,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I think this is behind the curve. And also there
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: is a there is a beloved religion that sort of
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: promotes this exact thing, that high status men should have
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: multiple wives. And not only does it promote it, it
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: creates an entire religious framework that accepts and justifies it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You know. So, I don't know, I feel like this
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: one might be a little bit islamophobic. Hm, okay, yeah,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: it's all right.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Let's move on again. This is another thing where they
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: think that there's a double standard going on. But the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: problem with this is that women are willing to share
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: a high status man, ye, but also the high status man.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It's not even because those men demanded or expected. It's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: because women actually go along with it, like they do
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: this all the time, like and without knowing it. Sometimes
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: where there's like you know, you have like in in
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: uh in the let's say the urban monoculture. Like in
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the big urban centers like Chicago or New York or
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: LA or Compton or whatever, you'll have like a bunch
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of women dating the same drug dealer or the same
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: gang leader or the same whatever. Right, there's a high
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: status man, whether it's because he has a lot of
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: finances or he's but you know, like basically got control
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: over all. He's got a monopoly on the violence, which
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: is another way of getting resources, and those women there
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: will be all the women in the neighborhood could be sharing
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the same guy. There's a whole reddit, isn't it, like
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: are we dating the same guy? That's an example of that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: So women are doing this, it's not men are expecting
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: this as women are doing this because they want to
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: be the one. They want to be the exclusive and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: they think they deserve that. But the man is just like, well,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll just take all of this, right, why not? Yeah?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well literally, it's because if a man has multiple women,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: that's social proof that women are drawn to, right, because
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: they want they want to win. Right, he's going to
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: get more women. When a woman has multiple men, men
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: aren't drawn to a lot of this stuff is a
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: problem of how women ex stack their desire. Women like
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: men with social proof. They like men who are desired
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: by other women. Well what happens, what are those men doing? Well,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: they have options and they often because of the way
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that the dating culture is organized now, it almost is
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: like men have to present this this attitude that he
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: can walk away at any point because she because she's
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you know, at the end of three generations of being
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: taught that men are oppressors and any kind of wanted
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: trust in a relationship is just a platform that he's
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: going to use to abuse her, and her he's always,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: always has a foot out the door, and she regards
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: her social value in terms of rejecting men. It's almost
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: like that incentivizes men to keep their options open, even
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: to just stabilize a one relationship. So this whole incentive
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: structure is put in place by women by what they
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: choose to believe about men, what they choose to value
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: in men that they want to have. They want to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: see men with social proof. Men aren't the same. They
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: don't you know that if they like that woman, they
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: like that woman. They don't need to know unless they're French.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: That another a whole bunch of other men are orbiting
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: them her, right, m m. The French are different, but
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: we're not. We don't have to talk about that right now.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that they are. They are an exception
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: that proves the rule generally, if you're not a Frenchman.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: A woman being more attractive to other men, or even
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: being in relationships with other men, doesn't make her more
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: attractive to men. Okay, So this is a this is
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: a thing that women are doing. They don't have this standard,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and then they blame men for having the standard that
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: they don't have, Like, they don't have the standard that says, well,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: if there's a whole bunch of other opposite sex members
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: orbiting this person, they're actually less attractive. No, instead, it's
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: more so. Again, this is just women doing this to themselves.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, I just did a felony upset. Okay, okay, next, yeah,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: well let me see what I got here. Oh yeah,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: go ahead, let's see. Okay, let's let's go to the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: next one.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, going to the next one. Feminism has destroyed women
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and society. I mean, oh oh and check this out.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: This right here, I think is with the real talking point.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: So all the other stuff is building to this. Now,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: this isn't like the final point on the slides, but
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I think this is the real thing that's being preserved here.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: This is what they're trying to salvage. So the menisphere
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: blames feminism for everything from divorce rates to male loneliness,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: claiming women were happier when they had fewer rights and options.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: It romanticizes the past where women were economically dependent on
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: men and had limited choices, framing coercion as natural order.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It suggests women having autonomy and equality has somehow broken society,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: rather than exposed that many relationships were base some women
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: having no better options. Okay, then believe this want to
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: return to systems where women needed them for survival rather
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: than choosing them freely.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Well, they don't choose them freely. They still hold them
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to the same standards they've always been holding, like women
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: still hold men to the same traditional standards, while basically
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: increasing the bar for when women regard them as fulfilling
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: those traditional standards. You know, seventy five years ago, a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: man could be a decent family man and bread winner
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: if he was working as a gas station attendant, right
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: there would probably be a woman who would wife that up,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: but or sorry, husband, that up. I guess it could
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: go either way. But yeah, but that's not the case anymore. Okay,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: So the standards have just increased, they haven't gone away.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And what's happened is feminism has refused to acknowledge that,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and then it's blamed men for the fact that they've
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: realized that women are not letting them leave their traditional roles.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: That's not going away. And maybe they would like women
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to have a corresponding expectation towards them in a relationship.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: That's it. And then they're like, oh my god, they
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: want them to go. And here's the other thing. Men
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: were dependent on women in the past too, materially, Like
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the further back you go prior to the
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution, the more true that is, right, you know,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: if you like, if you wanted anything close to a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: comfortable life. And in the past, it was even more
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: difficult for men to just sort of go out on
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: their own and be hermits because they didn't have the
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: kind of technology that we have now or post industrial
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: technology that even makes that more possible. So in the past,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: men were materially dependent on women. That's never put in
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: this analysis. It's always women were reliant on men. You
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: know what I think this really is that all of
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: this insecurity in women is because men are no longer
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: reliant on them, right, So there's no longer this physical
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and material exchange in marriage. Now they are reliant on.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Men or the jobs that men mostly create, really, right,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: And it's created a massive insecurity in women, and feminism
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: just keeps feeding that black hole by misdiagnosing where the
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: security insecurity is coming from.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: And again, men who believe that they want to return
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to systems where women needed them. Okay, well, if women
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: were choosing them freely, why would men even care about
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: returning to systems where women needed them? Huh? Because that's
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: the point. The point is that they see that women
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: don't choose them freely. They choose them based on how
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: well they have assumed the traditional role. And they are
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: in a society that heavily penalizes them and prevents them
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: from assuming the role that makes them attractive to women.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: And feminism is I mean, I don't think there's another
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: social force that's more behind that particular situation for men, right,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Because if men actually attain the level of success required
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: to be attractive to women, Feminism will say that they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: did that unfairly and then put in a whole bunch
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: of roadblocks to prevent it, right, but will not. Feminism
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: will not take women to task for continuing to expect
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: men to occupy traditional gender roles. So, yeah, feminism, I'm sorry,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Like you keep flinching every time I hit the the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I guess I need to be more careful about that.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, buds. Okay, shall we keep going?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, I have reversals. I didn't even get to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the point of reading my reversal. We we're doing pretty good.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: We're on.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I want to yeah, I just want to add just
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: real quick. They it says here that women are like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: they want to into a return of system where women
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: needed them for survival, rather than choosing them freely. Like women,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: even independent women that don't need no man today are
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: relying on men though like they're they're maybe not like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: men that are like close in their lives, but like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the places where men women work are very likely companies
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that were built by men. The all of the conveniences
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and advantages they have. We're built by men. They're not
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: escaping like the need for men. They just they just don't.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: They want to pretend like they don't, but they but
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: they're still living in that. Like if you just left
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: them out, like if the men just quit for a day,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: it would be over. Like they wouldn't have electricity, they
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have their avocado toast, they wouldn't have they're made
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: up job titles to go to because a lot of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: like women's work is like made up. Or they work
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: for the government, which is also basically just made up.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, they're they're they're dependency on men hasn't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: really changed. They just don't have a man close to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: them in their life that they can like actually trust,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and so instead they're depending on some abstract system that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't need them and can replace them with somebody else.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: They're just a widget now instead of like an you know,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: they're more of an object now working for like faceless
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: corporations than when they were like in marriages with men,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: even if they were in like a more supportive role.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but they allow extremely they the men who
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: control those corporations, to feel really good about themselves that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Because the men corporations will have like a day for
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the women, and they put it on the calendar and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and they'll like, they'll virtue signal and the women were like, well,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: they love me now because they put a pink a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: pink ribbon you know on the uh.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: You know what they should call those days. They should
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: call them my harem days. Yeah, and they'll have like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: the CEO be like, yeah, this is my harem day.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Come out, ladies, let's celebrate you. Okay, a dollar just.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Now and then we'll move on to the next page
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: or you can do your thing. Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: So the reverse, well, let.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Me just read the rumble ramp. Sorry, feminists hated is
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: a dollar. Feminists hated the past because they couldn't do
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: whatever they want. Feminists hate the present because men aren't
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: pandering to women like men used to. All right, thank you,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: all right, go ahead, all right.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: So this is the reversal. Patriarchy has destroyed women in society.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Male power is the core structural harm that must be dismantled.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Male privilege is toxic by default, and men are toxic
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: by default. That's the feminist reversal. And they like they
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: they have literally said that men are the enemy of
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: women in society. And then men are like, you know,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I don't like that. Maybe feminism. You know, that's not good.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: And then feminists are like, see, that's why they're the enemy.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: That's why men are the enemy. They don't like being
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: said that they are the enemy. That makes them even
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: more of the enemy. Right, And again feminism no proof,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: no proof of any of their assertions that, in fact,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: it's never even nobody's even thought. You know, maybe we
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: should solve maybe we should prove that this actually exists,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: that men actually do no, no, no, no, okay, miss
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: seven yeah.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Number seven. Women are biologically programmed to be submissive man's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: fear ideology. There goes that term again claims women naturally
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: want to be dominated and led by strong men, and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: modern women are just fighting their biology by wanting equality.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It justifies controlling behavior as giving women what they secretly
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: want despite what they say. It's used to dismiss women's
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: state of preferences as lies or confusion about their own desires.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: The reality is that some people of all genders for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: more traditional dynamics, but framing it as biological inevitability is
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: just a way to avoid respecting women's actual choices and autonomy.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well I'm gonna do one genu.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: As far as I understand it. Yeah, you have vampire
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: assassins or.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: A tale, they'll take it. Horns are a tail, okay?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Or thangs? Yeah, there you go that those are the trifacta.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: That's what you need men. This, this is how you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: deal with with this with women today. You need horns.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: You heard it here, horns, tail, thangs, Go for it,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: go get them all right? So one reversal. Actually, this
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: isn't even reversal. It's just an analysis of what feminists
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: are saying. Okay. Feminism itself refuses to make the connection
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: between women's actions and their consequences right, So it will
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: frame things like stereotype threat or some kind of lingering
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: patriarchal influences why women make the choices they make, instead
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: of actually recognizing that women are making the choices that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: they make. So when you take their entire framework to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: its logical conclusion, women don't think independently of men, right,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: I mean a woman A Bible's admonition for a woman
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: to be submission submissive to a man is probably more like, hey,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: he might know things that you don't give him a chance,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: and please trust him that he cares about you and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: wants to do the best by you. Like, that's but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: feminist submission is like, ladies, men write your thoughts for you.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: It's like, how much more submissive? So feminism wants the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: framework and which women are absolutely and utterly submissive to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: men to the complete incapacity inability to recognize women as
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: having any kind of autonomous identity outside of men unless
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: they adhere to feminism like a barnacle to a boat. Right,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: they want to see women as just being reflections of men,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: so submissive, like they're basically just shadows of men's thoughts.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And yet say that women are not submissive to men. Well,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: which is it feminism? Why don't you decide before you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: complain that menace your men are? Like, I think feminism
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: is saying women are submissive to men. And if it
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: says that women are submissive to men, then men, I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: guess have to take charge and make sure that she's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: taken care of herpaderp Like, this is just just responding
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: to the thing that you've asserted about women, feminists. But
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: that's not the reversal, that's just following the logic. Sorry,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: this keeps turning on. I don't know if you're hearing that. No,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: it's like a gong. Sound okay, al right, next, no biologue,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: men are biologically aggressive, dominance orientating, orientated, and risk taking,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: which is used to explain violence and justify re engineering masculinity.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: So these feminist women think that men need to be
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: re engineered, either socially or otherwise, to not be what
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: they are. And they explain that because men are aggressive
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: and dominant, so they need to be stopped from that.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: So while complaining that men recognize that, feminists say that
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: women are incredibly submissive, they also say that men's dominance,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: which they've got, that's a biotruth. Now the feminists is
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: reason why men need to be controlled by feminists, all right, okay,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: all right, So essentially the manosphere has said women are submissed. Allegedly,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: women are submissive, therefore they want to be controlled by men.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: They want to be led by men, okay, and feminists
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: say men are aggressive, therefore they need to be controlled
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: by feminism. And honestly, I think that the manosphere one
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: is less offensive because feminists also say that women are
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: so submissive that they're basically just reflections of men, but
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: they don't allow that men could lead them. That women
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: are so submissive, but men could actually lead them to
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: their benefit. Did you see the difference? So men's dominance
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: must be controlled and curtailed by feminism. I'll I'll let
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: you comment on that, Brian. There's something that that doesn't
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: make sense in what I'm saying.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Would you reach please? All right?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Feminist's framework, if you take it to its logical conclusion,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: says that women are so submissive that they are basically
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: shadows of men's thoughts. Yes, right, But feminist framework also
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: says that men are so aggressive and dominant that they
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: need to be continuously controlled or they will be violent
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: oppressors of women. The manosphere is saying that, yes, women
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: are submissive, but that means that men should lead them
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: in positive ways. So the difference is that it's exactly
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: the same thing. The difference is the manosphere acknowledges that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: men's leadership can be of benefit to women, and feminists
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: says that is never true unless we have complete control
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: over everything. Yes, So basically they're just saying the same things,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: except one is more an acknowledgment that this can you
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: can create a relationship out of this, you know, right,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: And the other is is a political position in which
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: everybody gets controlled by this faction. But it's essentially the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: same thing. Yes, okay, so I mean yeah, and then
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the manosphere is basically saying, but what if what if
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: feminists are right and women are really really submissive, because
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: that's what feminists are saying, that women are just shadows
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: of men's thoughts by definition based on their theories or conjecture.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: But what if that's true, but men could be a
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: good thing for women, And feminists are like, oh my god,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: that's that's terrible, that's all that's that's the worst thing
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard, of course, because they think that men
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: are the worst thing that ever existed. Yeah, all right,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: let's move on to number eight.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, number eight. Women use physical intimacy as
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: a weapon and manipulation tool. The manosphere teaches that women
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: deliberately withhold or provide physical timacy to control men's behavior,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: making intimacy transactional rather than mutual. This makes men view
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: their partners as adversaries and a power struggle rather than
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: people they share affection with. It also frames women's natural
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: fluctuations and desire as calculated manipulation rather than normal human sexuality.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: When intimacy becomes a battlefield. Healthy intimacy dies. Everything gets
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: viewed through suspicion and resentment rather than genuine connection.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, Oh you are going to totally be
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: slammed in this one. Feminism. Okay, women use and what
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: they mean is women can use. Women can use physical
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: intimacy as a weapon and a manipulation.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Tools of what women actually do are simply the reality
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: is that it's simply a thing that they can do.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, device to do yeah, and incentivized in the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: current narrative that treats men as their dire enemies, which
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: isn't beneficial to women. It's only beneficial to corporations, governments, NGOs, media,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: big media, and bureaucratic graft and that kind of stuff.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Men are women. I know, this might come as a shock.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Women are most benefited by having a healthy relationship with
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: a man. That's that if she if a woman wants
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: to invest in her future happiness, that's what she does.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: But if she wants to invest in corporate or government
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: or bureaucratic graphs future happiness, she becomes a feminist. Okay,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: so uh men, this is the feminist reframe. Like this
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: is we flip the genders, and we look and see
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: if there's any feminist orthodoxy that that matches it. And
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: here it is, men weaponize sex and relationships, using coercion, cheating, withdrawal,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: and even rape as tools of patriarchy. Relationships are sites
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: of male violence. That's the feminist framing of relationships. It's
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: all over feminism. It's all over the people who are
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: currently writing policy about how men and women are supposed
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: to relate legally and socially. Okay, So which is worse? Here?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Women can use physical intimacy as a weapon and manipulation tool,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: and men weaponize sex and relationships and even use rape
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: as tools of patriarchy, and relationships themselves just relationships, right,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Not a relationship with a toxic woman, just a relationship
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: with a man is a site of male violence. Yeah,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I think, I think. I think feminism blows the menisphere
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: right out of the water in terms of hatred, contempt,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: demonization of the opposite sex. You know, manasphere, guys, you
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: got to really step up your game. You're lagging. Get good, okay, ye,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: get good?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Scrubs nice all right? Single mothers are damaged goods, isn't it? No?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: This is this is oh, you're a number nine rad
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: It's it's the tenth slide but it's number nine. Yeah,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: single mother. Oh I got some rumble rants. Let me
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: read those first, I forgot. Nova Fan twenty one gave
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: us a dollar and says, depending on whether the future
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: where the future takes us, the women not able to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: work a job will be living in a world worse
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: than what they imagine the patriarchy would be, as men
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: would have AI chatbots rather than them. Well, they can
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: only need to use AI chatbots now technically. Nova Fan
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: then gives another dollar and says, request, can you let
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: me know if the slide show acknowledges the women who
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: openly say they want a traditional man while she refuses
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to be a traditional woman. No, of course not, no,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: of course not.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: That's all, none of this.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: The thing about these these articles and listicles that are
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: going after like people who are critical of feminism, the manisphere,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: the red pill, all this other stuff. You know, people
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: who are sure with dating in cells. They never ever, ever, ever,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: ever ever actually try to figure out what women want.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: They because they don't care. It's about widening the chasm
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: between men and women. And if they ask what women
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: what they want, they might get an answer they don't like.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: In fact, they're most they're probably going to get an
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: answer that they don't like, because it's it's going to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: expose what the red pill is talking about. That like,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: there's a mismatch on what women say they want and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: what they really want. And part of that is because
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: women are being told what they're supposed to want by
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: this kind of like social approval that's heightened and exaggerated
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: by academia and the corporations and the government, et cetera,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: that basically tell them this is what a good man is,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and this is what a bad man is, in which
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: case there are very very few good men. Most men
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: are bad. So women are encouraged to, you know, marry
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: the government or work for the government and become a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: tax slave just like the men, and see the men
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: as their enemies. And so when you have a woman
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: that's like, well, you know, I kind of want I'd
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: like to get married, I think I want kids. I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: think I just want to be a stay at home mom.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: They then that's probably a lot more women than you think.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: But feminists will never, ever, ever, ever admit that, because
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: it would in fact completely shatter everything, so instead they
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: just pretend they know what women want, never ask them,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: and then they use that to gaslight women, the thinking
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: that's what women are supposed to want, because women are
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: usually looking at what the popular consensus is and they
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: go along with consensus and they say, well, I guess
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: this is what everybody else is doing, so I'm gonna
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: do it, even though it's not really what's going on.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: You understand, Like it's like the silent majority is being
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: excluded from this and the men are just being like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: framed in isolation. So anyway, okay, let me see So, yeah,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna see that slide nova pen, It's not
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: going to happen. Number nine. Single mothers are damage goods
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: and bad partners. Manisphere communities viciously attack single mothers more
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: emotional language, like they're stalking them on their pages instead
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: of just calling them what they are I guess like,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: which is probably the worst thing you might get, claiming
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: their poor choices for relationships and that their children are burdens.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: No man should accept this dehumanizing belief, ignores their circumstances
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: that lead to single parenthood, and treats women's worth as
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: permanently damaged by having children with someone else. It's particularly
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: cruel because it punishes women for relationship failures, but the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: fathers of those children face no similar stigma. The belief
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: stems from possessiveness and the idea that women with children
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: have been used by other men.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: You wanted the power to decide whether or not you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: are a parent, and the men you had sex with
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: as a parent. So now that you have that power,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: it is your responsibility that those children exist, not the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: men yours, because you wanted that power and the exercise
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: of that power only exists with women. Okay, I know
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: have said, you know, if you were a woman who
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: had a child with a man who was one hundred
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: percent on board, got married everything, and then just screwed
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: off however long into the relationship. Yes, you know that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: this this doesn't apply to you. That is not the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: majority of single mothers, right, That is not the majority
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: of single mothers. The majority of single mothers are having
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: sex with men who have multiple baby daddies. They are women, yeah,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: baby mamas. Yeah, they probably have multiple baby daddies too,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: all right, And they are women who decided to leave
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: their partner. And incidentally, if their partner has a relationship
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: with his children, which he should. They aren't single mothers,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: they are co parenting mothers. So the only thing left
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: is women who have decided to exclude men from their
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: relationship with their children, and women who had children with
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: men that it was probably obvious they shouldn't have had
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: children with okay, and they have made the unilateral decision
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: because they asked for it. Literally, women are like, we
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: want the unilateral decision decide if a child is brought
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: into the world. Good, great, you've got it. Oh, we're
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: not responsible for the unilateral decision to decide if a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: child and enters the world. Yes you are, And with
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: that gets all you get a lot more criticism and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: scrutiny for when and where you make these choices because
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: you asked for them, And of course you're not gonna
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: get that anywhere but here, because you know us, right,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: because I'm fine with being apparently a misogynist or whatever,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: because I say that women make choice and the consequences
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: of those choices are their consequences, and in this case,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: single mothers usually choose that. Almost most single mothers have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: chosen that they either had children with men who are
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: marginal and it was obvious, or they removed a man
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: from his child's life. Right now, let's look at the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: situation where men are judging this. If a woman already
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: once has removed the children of her ex from his
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: life and from their lives, why would a man sign
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: up for that. It's like, you know how a woman
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: if a man said, you know, I've been uh, I've
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: been accused of rape a couple of times. Yeah, I've
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: even been arrested. In fact, i'm currently I'm currently out
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: on bail.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I'm on a sex offender register tree.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, reason there's a real good explanation for it. Would
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: you have a problem with a woman being like hmm, well,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: I would like to hear that explanation, and I may
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: do a little bit of investigating myself, But until then,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to be alone with you
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: or pursue a relationship with you. No, that's what a
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: single Now, it's not exactly the same level of threat,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: but it's potential threat if a man pursues a relationship, Yeah,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: it's a red flag. If a man pursues a relationship
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: with a single mother, he is inviting the possibility that
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: he will lose contact with any child that he has
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: with her in the future. Okay, And men who are
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: biparental mammals, they're part of a biparental mammal species find
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: that intimidating. And that is a good thing. That is
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: an absolutely good thing. In fact, you want men to
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: find that intimating. You want men to avoid women who
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: give even the hint of suspicion that if they have
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: a child with this woman, that that woman will take
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: that child away from them. And why do you want
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: men like that? Because men like that are highly invested
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: in their children, and men like that produce a society
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: that's worth living in. So don't you dare stigmatize men
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: for disliking women who give a whiff of the possibility
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: of taking future children away from them. That's exactly the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: way men should be, exactly the way men should be. Now,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: the other the other thing that I've heard is that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: men don't want to get involved in single mothers. This
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: is this is one actually really part wrenching reason. There
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: was a man on a comment that I read once
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: who said that he was the kid of a single
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: mother and he remembered having a man come into his life.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, initially be like, oh, it's like this
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: great thing because he's got a sort of a father
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: figure now. But as soon as the woman gets bored
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: but two out go BN, I'm not interested in you anymore.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: And his relationship with his new father figure was broken,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: and it happened over and over and over again. And
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: he doesn't date single mothers now because he doesn't want
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: to do that to their children. Okay, nobody is talking
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: here about the situation for the children. Says single mothers
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: are damaged goods. Yes, they're damaged goods, but even more so,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: their children are damaged by their choices, and nobody talks
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: about that. Nobody talks about that. And why would a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: man who understands that children get attached want to do
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: that to the child of a single mother If he's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: a decent man, why would he? Heay, so, yeah, single
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: mothers are damaged goods. Now you might have a single
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: mother again who who had a man who was invested
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: and then suddenly just poof gone fine, it's not really
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: her fault, or maybe it is a situation of genuine abuse,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: not really her fault, or maybe or he died not
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: really her fault, or he wasn't like he wasn't willing
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: to at least partially pay for the family, so she
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: had to leave because of economic reasons understandable. You can't
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: let your kids sarve, right, there are factors, but this
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: isn't true about most single mothers. Most single mothers are
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: single because they are selfish and contempt They are contemptuous
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: and they do not know how to keep an adult
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: relationship right, that's why. And they don't they don't actually
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: care to be with a man who will invest in
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: his children. And look for those kinds of men, right
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: and make sure that they are signaling to those kinds
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: of men that they aren't going to just on a
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: whim decide to break his relationship with his kids. And again,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what we want from men. We want
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: them to stay away from women when they have a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: hint that those women might not allow them to be
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: in the lives of their future children, because those men
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: are pair bonders and they are men who invest in
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: their children. That's what we want. We want men who
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: think twice about entering the life life of a child
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: when the mother can just remove him at any point,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: causing even more strain and stress to the child because
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: those are men who are thinking about the child's situation, right,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: And there's one other category of single mom. Maybe you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: realize your mistake and you're trying to be better, okay,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: because lots of you. We all make mistakes, right, and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: we can try to be better in our lives, and
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: that's what's important. But if you are trying to be better,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: you're listening to me and you're saying, yes, that's true, that, yeah,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: that is actually true.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: I was you understand that you are going to have
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: a hard time, yes, finding a new partner base based
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: on your past behave You're approaching these any future potential
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with humility, so that like, you know, you understand
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: that you're not in the best bargaining position, and uh, yeah,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: you'll You're gonna have to.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: A lot of work.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to work on yourself exactly, because.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: They don't don't get me wrong. People can make mistakes
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: and then they can go on the path of redeeming
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: their mistakes. And the situations where step children see any
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: kind of better outcome so that they're raised by a
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: man who isn't their father is when the woman says
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: I made a mistake, but I got a second chance
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna fuck this up and she sticks
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: to that man like white on rice. Okay, all right, wait,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: no single this is the reversal. Yeah, Single fathers are absent,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: dangerous or incompetent men abandoned families and leave women to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: pick up the pieces deadbeat dad narrative, right, except fathers
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: don't have like literally, we gave women the unilateral right
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: to determine whether or not a child is born. Fathers
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: don't have that right. So you're already looking at a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: situation where they're trailing a woman's decisions. But I would
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: say that this isn't even strong enough. Feminists regard fathers
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: as toxins and dangers to their children, just fathers like
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: involved fathers. Now, I'm on multiple feminist created projects that
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: suggest that a boy with a father in his life
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: is the worst outcome, that causes the worst outcomes, which
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: is not statistically true at all. But they are saying
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: that a father, even an involved father, is a problem.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: That's what feminist rhetoric is saying. Look at adolescents, right,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: an involved father is a suspect person. So they're saying, well,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: this is how dare man of spere. Men say that
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: single mothers are damaged goods, but they turn around and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: say that all fathers are bad news, are potential bad news,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: most likely bad news. Well, of course they're bad news
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: because you know, relationships and fatherhoods are sites of male violence. Okay, eleven.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Number oh ten Women can't be trusted with power or leadership.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: The manisphere claims that women are unsuited for leadership, too
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: emotional for important decisions, and will prioritize feelings over logic
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: when given authority. It gets used to justify keeping women
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: out of positions where they might have power over men.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: It conveniently ignores all evidence of successful female leaders while
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: treating any female failure as proof of women's general incompetence.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Men who all this believe feel threatened by women in
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: authority and can't handle reporting to or being led by
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: women without resentment.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, but women can't be trusted with power leadership because
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: they can't because, and I'll be really honest, this is why.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Because what I see women doing with their influence is
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: not recognizing that they are their brother's keeper, and they
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: need to use their power and influence to turn around
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: and protect men and to make sure that men aren't exploited. Instead,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: they're using their power and influence for selfish reasons to
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: promote a narrative of continuous male blame and to take
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: away men's rights. Right, And this is what I'm seeing now.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: If women had stepped up and said, you know, there
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: are some problems that men face that we should use
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: our political power to ameliorate, to change, I wouldn't be
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: saying that. I wouldn't even say that. I wouldn't even
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: say that women shouldn't have the vote because they don't,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, have service to the state in wartime. If
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: they genuinely use their power to protect men when men
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: need it, I wouldn't say that women can't be trusted
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: with power leadership. But the truth is, if women in
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: power and women in leadership positions think they don't have
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: to care about half the human race, then they shouldn't
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: be in them. And that is a hard that's a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: hard no for me, Like that's a hard line. Right
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: on one side is women who manifestly don't look like,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: don't act or talk like they care about men, despite
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: the fact that men when they are in positions in
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: power and leadership by definition men are vulnerable to them, Okay,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: and I see women not recognizing that fact, continuing to
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: operate on a narrative that anything that they do to
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: men is just just deserts. And this is my hard
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: line in the stand. If women cannot learn that they're
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: their brother's keeper, then they do not deserve any position
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: of power period. That is my hard line in the stand. Okay,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: you can quote that as the mano sphere. No, I'm not.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I could hear like Rollo being like, what fucking this
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: woman is not manosphere?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I invented it, I invented you.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Well apparently I'm.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Thinking you disappear when I go to sleep, you don't exist.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that's that's.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Like he's got like the the infinity Gauntlet of the manisphere,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: migtow or p U as m R as the red pill,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: All yea fourth from Rollo's loins.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I coined the term man all right, but uh
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: is this it for this? Or did you? Yes?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: I should do the I should do the Okay, this
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: is the feminist reversal, and it does fit quite nicely
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: into feminist orthodoxy. Male power and male dominated leadership are
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: inherently oppressive. Any male led institution is suspect, that is patriarchy.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: It must be fixed with gender quotas and oversight. Which
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: is what's really interesting is because feminists recognize that when
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: men are in positions of power, how they treat women
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: and deal with women's issues is important, and that should
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: be a dividing line between men who are in power
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: legitimately and men who are in power not legitimately, is
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: how they treat women. Right, And yet that's basically my
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: dividing line too. Women should not be in power if
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: they cannot step into the role of realizing that they
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: need to protect men too, that men are now half
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: their constituency, They are now half of the people that
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: they instruct in their jobs, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: isn't that interesting. It's sort of like a it's a
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: standard for men. But feminists are like, no, if you
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: apply that standard for women, that's misogyny as usual, as
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: per usual. It's not really interesting. My surprise, My surprise
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: meter is very low, right now, not that surprised.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Imagine my shock, visualize my surprise. Okay, let's move on
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: to the next one. Yep, all right, Number eleven women's
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: accusations are usually false and should be doubted. The manuspect
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: had convinced men that false accusations are rampant, and that
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: women routinely lie about harassment, assault, or abuse for attention
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: or revenge. It makes men dismiss women's experiences and side
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: with accused men automatically. Statistic show false accusations are actually rare.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, statistic show science suggests according to the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: people who have a stake in perpetuating this myth, they
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: said they've investigated themselves and found themselves not guilty of
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: any crime. It's actually men that are the problem. Anyways,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: what does it show that false accusations are actually rare?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: But the manisphere amplifies every example to create fear and paranoia.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Plus it protects abuse of men by creating an environment
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: where victims know they won't be believed. It makes men
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: view any accusation as probably a lie.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the thing.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: This is why they have a picture of a black
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: guy on here, by the way, because that's.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: The demographic that is most hit by false accusations. There
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: you go, I mean, why wouldn't you illustrate how false
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: accusations are meaningless with the dude, black dude, who tends
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: to be subject to most of them, at least according
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: to the Innocence Projects roster of cases. Shall we say,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: all right, so there's lots of things happening here as usual.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: The manosphere has convinced men that false accusations are rampant,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Yes they are, and that women routinely lie about harassment, assault,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: or abuse for attention or revenge. Yes they do. It
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: makes men dismiss women's experiences and side with accused men automatically.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: That's due process. You don't have to side with an
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: accused man, but you have to suspend judgment if you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: are in a position to harm him. That is due process.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: This is the funny thing. Like due process exists, feminists
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: most affected. That's what this is. Statistics shows false accusations
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: are actually rare. No, if you compare like to like,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: that is, proven false accusations to proven convictions, they are
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: about one to two, so too, one false accusation to
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: maybe two convictions something like that. So you know, it's
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: not that rare if you compare like to like. But
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: what feminists do is they lump in all accusations period
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: and only look at the ones that are proven false. Right,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: so there's this huge gray area that they say, oh,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: of course this is true, but it's a huge gray
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: area where you don't know, and they don't compare the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: ones that are proven false to the ones that are
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: proven true, because those numbers are actually pretty scary. You're
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: looking at for every two convictions, you get one false accusation.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: This isn't that a little bit different of a thought?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: Hey know how much they talk about rape constantly, about
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: how women are in fear of it, and yet when
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: you look at it this way, false accusations are well,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: they're in the same order of magnitude of possibility for men.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: You know, that's isn't that interesting? Okay, But the statistics
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: show but the manosphere amplifies every example to create fear
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: of paranoia. I don't think it's the manosphere of doing that,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: And in particular, I don't think that many manusphere content
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: creators really do that. Like I'm trying to think of
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: anyone who does. I mean, we talk about I don't. Yeah,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: that's the other thing. Yeah, well, we're really creating fear
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: and paranoia in men, and you are not doing the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: same for women.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: And I mean, like I don't. I mean, I know
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: it's anecdotal, but I've had on like several men in
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: the military who have experienced false allegations, and the way
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: that we set up the system again, it incentivizes false allegations,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: like there's no there's no consequence to it. Women can
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: just do it. They're there. What's the penalty to get
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: caught on that? Maybe a fine? Maybe, I mean like yeah,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: in general, it's like, well, it can even be dismissed
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: as a mistaken identity, like well, I guess I guess
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: he was not the guy, or I guess I didn't
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: get raped, but not like an intentional false allegation, even
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: though it could have started that way. There's literally like
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: no reason for them not to do it, even if
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: there were yea, even if you couldn't show me like
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I even if you could show me that these things
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: are rare. The fact that there's legal uh there, the rules,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: the laws are not set up to protect men from
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: false allegations is enough of a reason to talk about
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get the suppressed. Even if it didn't happen
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: that often, but it does. It's usually women protecting, not
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: not women that are trying to get revenge or attention.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Although those things happened too, I think most of the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: time it's to protect their reputations. So Rock Turner was
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: falsely accused because the woman who accused him didn't want
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: to be seen as a slut. A lot of the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: guys in the military that I've talked to got accused
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: because the women that accused them were cheating on their
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: own husbands with these men, and so because they didn't
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: want to look like cheaters, they didn't want to get
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: busted for adultery, they claimed that they were sexually assaulted instead,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: because now it's it's not just they're no longer a cheater.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Now they're like more of a victim than the guy
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: who they initially scept with. And again we incentivize that,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: we put things in place that allow that. It's like
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Title nine in high school in colleges, right, same thing.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: What happened to the to the the case, the Rolling
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Stone case? Right? Yeah, what about Amber her and Johnny Depp?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: She falsely accused him of like not not just sexual violence,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: but just violence. So like this is I mean, like
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous that we have to even talk about
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: this like, it's obviously happens, it's everywhere, and it's incentivized.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, well in some places literally with money incentives, I
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: think in the UK and Australia. But does it amplifies
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: every example to create fear and paranoria. No, What creates
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: fear and paranoia is the fact that men have no recourse.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: Like if you protect like literally, if you protected men
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: from false allegations the way you protect women, well maybe
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: not that much. The wait wait, wait, wait wait wait,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: let me walk that back. I don't think men need
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: to be protected from allegations the way women are. Right
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: that that basically means that would be carte blanche for
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: everybody to be rapement up in here. But if you
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: protected men's innocence when they go through this, when they're
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: being accused of something right until it's proven that they
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: did it, nobody would be doing this, Okay. I mean
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: there would be concern over maybe the the ease at
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: which women could do it, but at the very least,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: men wouldn't be being destroyed by these accusations alone. Right,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: And it's not us that's doing this. All we're doing
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: is saying that this isn't right. It's the accusations that
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: men see destroying men's lives. That are may creating the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: fear and paranoia. Good lord. Plus, it protects abusive men
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: by creating an environ where victims know they won't be believed.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Are victims only women see? They're really telling, aren't they?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: It makes men view any accusation is probably a lie.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Well they probably that, well they should view every accusation
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: is possibly a lie. Right, that seems reasonable. Okay, let
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: me go for the reverse. Aru okay, okay, most men
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: are trash. Oh no, sorry, believe women believe survivors. In practice,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: men's denials are treated as suspect, and male guilt is
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: often presumed in sexual and domestic violence contexts. That's not
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: actually reverse. A reverse is more what feminists are doing
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: to minimize the sexual abuse of men by women. Because
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: what's interesting is what this crossed a desk recently. The
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: CDC has its new numbers out for twenty twenty five
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, and guess what they quietly draw from
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: their statistics the last year numbers for maid to penetrate
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: so women in sexual violence against men. They just dropped it.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: And the way that they managed to do it is
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: they rechanged the methodology to reduce male reporting. It even
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: significantly reduced the number of men even responded, and they
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: changed the wording of the statements to focus on capturing
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: female victimhood versus male victimhood, so they moved away from
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: behavioral questions done by interviewers who were trained to actually
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: make people comfortable revealing this kind of stuff, which is
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: better for men because it takes men time to be
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: able to explain things. Women can narrativize things that happened
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: to them more easily than men can so, and especially
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about something that doesn't have a ready
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: narrative to attach to, like a woman raping a man.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: So they did all of this, and now they've managed
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: to get the numbers for MAIDE to penetrate under a
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: certain amount, not because they're less proportionately, but because they
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: had less men answering the survey, so now they don't
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: have to report on it at all. Congratulations feminists, once again,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: you have engaged in a campaign of marginalizing male victims
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: of sexual assault. Don't forget. We're not even at the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: state of saying that male victims can't be believed. We're
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: at rendering them invisible in the first place. That's what's
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: feminists are doing to male victims, rendering them invisible in
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: the first place. They don't even exist. They're not even
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: there to be believed. They just disappear poof gone feminist
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: magic trick. And then they have the audacity to turn
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: around and complain about men being withdraw you know, withholding
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: any kind of conclusion about any particular accusation, you know,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: adhering to due process. You know, literally, they've they've caused
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: male victims to disappear entirely through statistical chicanery, and they
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: turn around and blame men for wanting to process. Astounding,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: isn't it like again? Manisphere, guys, you really need to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: step up your hatred game and your rhetoric around stripping
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: recognition of female victims and stripping women's rights, because you're
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: feminists are really really out gaming you on this, right.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: It's just that they're just, I don't know, they're just
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: like the superstars of contempt towards opposite sex victims. You
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: gotta step your game up.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're not both sides, right, all right? Number
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: twelve right the last one, yep, modern the.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Word last Oh shit, I used it. What it means
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: everybody tunes out? Don't tune out, guys, We're not done yet.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Oh Alison, you're you're only making it worse when you
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: obsess over that. Nova fan twenty one gave us a
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: rumble rant for a dollar and says, I can't remember
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: the TV show or movie it's from, but there's a
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: guy that's a straw man of a masculine man saying
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: there's a female. I'm gonna talk to it. Oh, I
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: don't know. It sounds like maybe like Mary with children
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: or something, but I don't know. I could be wrong,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: or or maybe a futurama thing. I don't know. All right,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: So number twelve. Modern women aren't worth commitment or marriage.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: The manosphere teaches that marriage is a trap where men
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: risk losing everything in divorce, and modern women aren't good
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: enough to justify that risk.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: We just invented that. We just invented it. We just
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: invented family law, Like, yeah.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are making up statistics, Yeah, we're making up
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: and alimony.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: And oh, guys who've experienced family court and divorce and
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: have seen your male relatives and friends go through family
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: court and divorce, No, that wasn't real. I was just
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: mean projecting things into your brain. There you go. Okay,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, and modern women aren't good enough to justify that risk.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: This frame's commitment as something men give women rather than
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: mutual partnership. That's interesting. Can I just say that's really
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: interesting right there? Because I well, I would say that
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: women are the gig keepers of sex and men are
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: the giate, but men are the gig keepers of commitment.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: But apparently this is sort of exposing that. It's what
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is true. If it's true that men gatekeep
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: commitment historically, this is trying to claim that they should
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: never have that power and that it should be they
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: call it mutual, but they're trying to take away from
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: men and give it to women. Yes, Ultimately, they want
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: to give women all of the authority and none of
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: the responsibility. Men have all the responsibility and none of
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: the authority.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Even if you don't frame it as men or the
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: gatekeepers of commitment, they are the gatekeepers of their commitment.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, right at the very least right.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this this is saying, yeah, this frame commitment
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: is something men give. Yes, it is something men give
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: women because men have the right to consent. Like, do
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: you have an issue with men consenting to things? It's feminists,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: of course you do. Okay, okay.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: It encourages men to use women for physical intimacy without
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: offering relationships stability.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Well they don't have.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: It's often paired with the idea that men should focus
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: on wealth and sleep around while women desperately seek commitment
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: they don't deserve.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Well it's not true, then, ok But here's the thing.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: If women aren't desperately seeking commitment, then they're just having
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: casual sex with men who also want casual sex. What's
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: the problem. Why are you manufacturing a problem here? Like,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: you're basically saying that the manosphere is inventing men are
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: saying men shouldn't commit to women, but the manosphere is
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: also inventing women wanting men to commit to them. Uh okay, Well,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: then the problem solved. Men don't commit to women and
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: women don't want them to commit to them. Like, do
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying if they want two things
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: that are incompatible? Right here? They want men to be
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: denying women's commitment. They want me the manosphere be telling
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: men to deny women commitment, but they also want it
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: to be not true that women want men's commitment, in
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: which case, what's the moral problem with men denying women
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: something they don't want in the first place? And it's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: all to blame on the manosphere, all this gobbledy goop
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: double think. Okay, all right.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: The deep dist respect here makes healthy relationships impossible because
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: you can't build partnership with someone you view as fundamentally
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: unworthy of commitment.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: But they don't. Of course you can't because you just
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: said I'm not interested.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: Guys, you can't shovel my walk if you don't want
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: to shovel my walk. Do you see how ridiculous that is? Yeah,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: men don't want commitment with women, and this is going
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: to result in men not having commitment with women. So
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: men should commit to women that they don't want to
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: commit to, otherwise there will be no commitment. And don't
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: you you don't want fat men? This must have been
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: written by Ai.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: No. I think it's I think it's real. You think it's.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: The talking points are all the same ones too, Like
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: people need new material.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Well, if they had new material that they'd be talking
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: our stuff.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's really nowhere else they can go except there's
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: nowhere else.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: They can go, like they they've gotten to the absolute
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: state of denying men the legitimacy of male autonomy period.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: Like men don't have the right to withdraw consent to commitment, right,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: and men don't have the right to presume innocence, you know,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Like this is all basically just saying men, you shouldn't
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: be allowed to judge things. You should just have our opinions,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: and that's it, all right. So the the switcheroo is
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: modern women aren't worth committing, worth commitment or marriage. Now,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: before I do the switcheroo, I just want to point
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: out that I have data that indicates that the current
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: generations of women are the most sexually violent generation of
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: women or people in history. So if men had these numbers,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: you better believe that feminists would be screaming about it
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: from every mountaintop and they would be saying how Generation
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Z is just that they aren't worthy of relationships, they
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: aren't worthy of women, that women should should just boycott
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: Generation Z because they are the rapist generation out there.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: That's what feminists would be saying. So I have a
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: lot of sympathy towards the men who say we need
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: to boycott these current generations of women because they're rape.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: They have a real issue with the idea that men
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: can say no. I wonder where they got that from.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's something they picked up on from this entire
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: social movement that seems to really struggle with the idea
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: that men have the right to things like their own mind,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: their own bodies, their own own judgments of things, right
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: they did. Feminists seem to really struggle with the fact
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: that men exist separately from their approval. You know, maybe
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: maybe that attitude sort of filtered down to the younger
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: generation of women, and now they think that a man
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: saying no to them is some kind of affront to
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: their very existence and they and they gotta they gotta
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: correct that shit. And I'm not talking like I don't know,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: uh tying up or uh like just like pushing weapons.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Millennial women, gen Z women use weapons more often than
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: any other group or generation. It's freaking astounding that that
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: would just be everywhere. You gotta know that that would
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: be everywhere. And gen Z men would never hear the
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: end of how they are not worthy of women's attention
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: and relationships and anything because of that behavior. But of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: course the re is not true, all right, So this
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: is the actual reverse statement for feminists. Most men are trash, unsafe,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: or emotionally unavailable. Marriage relationships with men are a bad
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: deal unless heavily vetted or state constrained, because again, relationships
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: with men are the site of patriarchal violence against women.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, modern women aren't worth commitment or marriage. You
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: got to up your game, Manisphere people, they are men,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: because not only you're lagging again, because the feminists not
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: only say that men are trash and unsafe and emotionally unavailable,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: they also construct an entire hypothesis around that that gives
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: them incredible power over policy and HR departments and everything.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: And you don't have that. You don't like, Manisphere men,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: you need to get on that patriarchy and up your
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: game to compete with the level of influence. And speaking
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: of the level of influence, I don't know I can
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: go through how much money each of these are. Gender
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: reverse feminist mainstream framing about men makes makes people because this,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, like this isn't this stuff makes money. Guys
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: like these narratives that I just talked about, the gender
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: reversed feminist framing, they make money. They make people money.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: So let's maybe let's go through that so find out why. Yeah, okay,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: So men are emotionally stunted, lack empathy, cannot communicate, and
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: need women to civilize them. Male socialization makes men less
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: safe and less relationally competent. That's number one. How much
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: does that make the average feminist or just feminism in
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: generally five to ten billion tied to toxic masculinity, Male socialization,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: DVSA prevention, and gender education work focusing on men and boys.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: That's what that narrative supports. A five to ten billion
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: dollar industry just focused on educating boys about how awful
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: they are. Okay, men are okay. Number two, Men only
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: care about youth, beauty and sex. They discard women as
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: they age and replace them with younger models, male gaze
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: and trophy wife culture. All right, let's see if that
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: one to two billion in grants, campaigns, research, and media
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: work on objectification, body image, male gaze, and related dating
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: relationship narratives. So that's one to two billion in basically
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: anti lookism, fat positivity, and that kind of stuff. So
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: that's the real that's I mean, it's not as good
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: as the toxic masculinity in terms of being a money spinner.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: But it's not bad. You know. Can you imagine just
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: getting getting something like that as a check in the mail, Brian.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I, you know, that would be nice.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of things.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised I'm not. This is why I'm surprised people
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: call it scripters.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: If I really wanted to make money, I just and
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: I know they're talking points. I can do them better
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: than they can.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like if you're a smart person, oh my soul. Yeah,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: if you're willing to kill your soul and you're a
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: smart person who's got the gifted gab, you could you
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: could really make bank with this. Okay. So number three,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: men become less desirable with age because they are immature,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: stuck or Peter pans. Women peak later as they gain
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: confidence career in sexual agency. So if men fail to launch,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: then they lose value. Basically three zero point five to
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: one billion around empowering over older women, anti agism, media narratives,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: and associated relationship mental health sectors. You know, it seems
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: like feminism actually probably should be giving kickbacks to the
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: manosphere because the manosphere is maintaining these victim narratives that
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: make them so much money.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: You know you mentioned, yeah, you should be getting your cut.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: Four women are men are manipulative? Coercive, predatory, gas letting
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: and coercive control is framed as male typical tools to
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: dominate partners. What's number four worth? That's the feminist framework.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Five to ten billion in DV coercive control services, training courts,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: and therapeutic programs that frame male manipulation as structural. Wow,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: that's a lot these narratives, these feminist narratives, they really Wow.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: That's for nothing, for an invented framework that bears no
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: relation to reality. This sum oppressive, okay, high value women.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: High value women are told never to settle, keep options open,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: and that's a lot of cat food, date up and
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: leave men who don't meet standards. Male reluctance to commit
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: is demonized, while female serial monogamy is framed as growth.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: That is number five. Let's see what's what that's worth
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: to the feminist industrial complex. Sorry, it's just opening argument,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: all right. One to three billion in relationship advice, coaching,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: media and NGIO messaging pushing never settle, date up, empowerment frames.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: So that's all the big dating strategy gurus, the women
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: like Shira who tell them a woman who's got the
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: commitment of a man who's about to graduate with a
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: degree in engineering, that why should she wait? Why should
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: she wait the two weeks before he graduates. I wouldn't
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: do that. I'd want an engineer who's already practicing, you know, like,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's some pretty amazing that women will pay
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: other women to destroy their relationship prospects. Yeah, okay, six.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy has destroyed women in society. Mail power is this
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: core structural harm that must be dismantled. Male privilege is
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: toxic by default? What's that one? Worth twenty to forty billion?
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: Forty billion for the for the core feminist NGO academic
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: policy complex. So this is the epicenter you and women,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: gender ministries, shelters, research institutions, advocacy networks built on patriarchy theory.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: I you know what, I'm starting to suspect that these
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: people just don't want the manosphere to hone in on
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: their turf.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. Yeah, they see them as
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: as financial competition. Although the manisphere, even though there are
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: some that have a lot of money, I don't think
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: they made their money doing a lot of it doing this.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: But it's a dropping a bucket compared to this, it's
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: a dropping a bucket.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: It's like Coca Cola or Pepsi coller.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, patriarchy's slipping, guys, Yeah, slipping all. Yeah, Why
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: isn't it just raking it in? I mean.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy is not very effective? No, okay. So it's like
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: that that Pepsi co, like the the whatever owns pepsi
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: thinking that a kid with a lemonade stand is competition.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're just putting out article after article about
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: the lemonade stand. Yeah, and like how you shouldn't go
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: there and buy their lemonade.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Don't go to Little Timmy's lemonade stand. Oh man, Men
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: are biologically This is another feminist narrative. Men are biologically aggressive,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: dominance orientated, and risk taking, which is used to explain
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: violence and justify re engineering masculinity. It's number seven. Let's see,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: let's see what it's worth. Well, it's not a bad.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: One five to ten billion for violence prevention, masculine retraining
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: in school campaigns that treat male biology norms as a
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: risk to be managed. Wow, that that must be pretty
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: lucrative for those bureaucrats, you know, just being the uh
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: head bureaucrat in charge of whipping little boys behinds until
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: they learn to not be toxically masculine. Yeah, okay. Number eight,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: men weaponize sex and relationships using coercion, cheating, withdrawal, and
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: even rape as tools of patriarchy. Relationships are sites of
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: male violence. Wow, that's a big kohuna. I wonder that
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: that's worth ten to twenty billion. Not as much as
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: the core, but that's doing pretty well. Like it's a
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: front runner off in violence against women, rape culture, and
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: consent education infrastructures that conceptualize relationships as sites of male
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: sexual danger. Gosh, guys, maybe you guys, like, maybe men
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: should be asking for a cut of this. They're being
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: they're starring in these narratives and they aren't even getting
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: any royalties. Nine singing are absent, dangerous, or incompetent. Men
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: abandon families and leave women to pick up the pieces.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: Deadbeat dad narrative. All right, what's that one? Ten to
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: thirty billion?
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, the dead be Dad narrative
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: has got to be big.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a whopper that's big money in welfare,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: social work, and NGO systems orientated to single mother households
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: and promised on failing abusive fathers. I'm pretty sure that
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: complex is worth while more than thirty ten to thirty billion.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to challenge perplexity on that one,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: but I'll get through this first. Okay, So ten, men
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: can't Male power and male dominated leadership are inherently oppressive.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Any male led institution is s respect is patriarchy. You
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: must be fixed with gender quoteras and oversight. Okay. Number ten,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: twenty ten to twenty five billion in DEI, gender parity,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: quota enforcement, leadership, training and compliance justified by toxic male leadership. Now,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: just just to clarify, guys, these are approximates.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: It's like ballparks.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: But you got you know that this is this is
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: probably undercounts, massive undercounts, especially when it comes to DEI.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: I think that like twenty five billion is like one
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: black rock contract, all right. Number eleven believe women believe survivors.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: In practice, men's denials are treated as suspect, and male
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: guilt is often presumed in sexual DV contexts. It's number
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: eleven on the top twelve reversed feminist reversing manosphere toxic
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: attitudes towards women to reverse engineer their feminist counterparts. Okay,
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: ten twenty billion across Title nine style bureaucracies, hir compliance systems.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: Essay is sexual violence and domestic violence, non governmental organizations cathods,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: processes and legal reforms centered on believe women. Whoo, that's
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: a big one too. I Actually, as we're going down,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: they're getting a little bit. No, no, this one isn't okay.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: Number twelve modern Okay, modern women aren't worth commitment, which
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: is mapped onto most men are trash, unsafe, or emotionally unavailable.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: Marriage relationships with men are a bad idea unless heavily
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: vetted or state constrained. States got to get its fingers
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: in there, ladies. Twelve five to fifteen billion for services,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: content and policy normalizing female independence for men and single
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: mother family structures often sidelining fathers. Well, there you go.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: Those are the twelve. So we mapped the manosphere content
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: the manosphere. Are these what they described as the top
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: twelve most toxic manosphere talking points reverse the genders. Mapped
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: them onto feminist orthodoxy, and the first thing we found,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: of course, was when we mapped it onto feminist orthodoxy.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Feminist orthodoxy was several orders of magnitude more hateful, contemptuous, universalizing,
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: and uh and also influential and normal normal, and more
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: money and a lot more money, way more, a lot
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: more money, way more money. So there you go, folks,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: the manosphere really should stop honing in on feminism's territory.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that's the lesson.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the lesson here. Get off the get off
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: their turf. It's their protection racket, and they don't like you,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: then you know it'd be nice, uh nice, nice YouTube
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: channel you got. There be a shame if uh if
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: YouTube were too de boo deep de boost you in
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: the algorithm. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna tally it up. I
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: just got perplexity to tally it up. I'm probably gonna
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: I think that I think that single Mother one is
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: a blow all right, low end eighty two point five
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: billion per year that they're making off of missingry, high
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: end eighteen points eight oh boy one and eighty six
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: billion per year that they're making off of Missonry. And
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: they have the flipping audacity to complain about little Timmy's
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: lemonade stand. Can you imagine how many actual services could
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: be funded with this?
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, could you imagine shelters for men? You can
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: give them, you can, you can build schlters for.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: You can actually a domestic violence that actually addresses the issues,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't deny half the data, and really affects real change
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: because you could pursue interventions not based on whether they
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: are ideologically convenient for feminists, but whether or not they work.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine justin Tracia would never have to worry ever? Again? Yeah,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: people could be saved.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. But then you can't get the government
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, I mean that's that's what they want.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of this is corporate funds too, but.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but I mean, like they want the redistribution
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: of men's money into women's money. And that's the like,
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: why even if they're like what I'm saying, if they're
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: riaking in most you know, tens of billions of dollars
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: and they're not building any shelters, it's because they want
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: the tax burden of building the shelters. They want the
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: men to build them with their money while they keep
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: the tens of billions it's reparations or something, that's all.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: It's amazing how justice lucrative. It's amazing how lucrative the this, Like,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: you know, in a patriarchy that puts men's benefit first,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: you would think that this would not be so lucrative.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: Denying men the right to any benefit would be so lucrative,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: Denying men even the right to think, to have opinions,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: to have lifestyle coaches for them, for them that recognize
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: that men might have their own particular approach to life,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: for goals like you think the patriarchy you would be
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: okay with. Apparently not. Apparently patriarchy puts a lot of
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: money into proving that men shouldn't exist unless they're completely
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: controlled by women or feminists. Anyway, Okay, I am. My
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: surprise has reached an all time low. I don't think
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: I could be less surprised until I'm actually dead. We
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: got another super.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: Child, Yeah, I got two super I got a super
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: Chat and a super Child. So Frank Rizzo gave us
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: a super Chat for twenty dollars. Thank you, thank you
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: so much, really appreciate it. And he says, thanks, that's it.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: And then I got a super Chow from Meredith g
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: thank you, Meredith, let me see what I can get,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: and she gives us five dollars and says twelve toxic.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: So recently heard a victim advocate state that false allegations
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: are rare, then turn around that there is this lie
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: because eighty percent of accuser statements are to police are withdrawn,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: which doesn't mean the victims are lying. I'm going to
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: point out that as far as the courts are concerned,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: an accuser doesn't get multiple bites at the apple to
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: bring charges because of due process. While so while the
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: court deemed the accusation is false, it isn't because a
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: trial proved them false, but because the withdrawal renders the
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: original statements as false. Guess what when you withdraw a
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: statements or saying that it's false evidence, No, that's not.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: What's going on.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: What's going on.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: This has proven false allegations. So the standard of evidence
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: is higher than just cleared or no crimed or whatever.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: This is like, this is when you compare when when
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: they talk about two to eight percent that has proven
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: false accusations, So it's not this, it's not the gray area.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: And then they compare that to yeah, but he's saying here,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: eighty percent of accusers are staments police are withdrawn. I
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: If you're doesn't mean they're not lying.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: You understand her posts.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand it. Like it doesn't mean that they're
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: not lying, right, It doesn't like you can't tell anything
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: they're withdrawn.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: No, I know, But I'm not sure that Meredith is
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: claiming that they are.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know she's saying. She's saying that
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: this is what a victim advocate stated, And I think
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: she just wants is to get our opinion on it.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: And my opinion is one, when you compare like to like,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: the ratio is not like two to ninety eight, it's
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: two to like four, right, and if and in this case,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: you don't know what's going on, so there's no point
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: conjecturing about it like that. She has a data point.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: Eighty percent of accuser statements are to police are withdrawn. Right,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: she has a data point, and she's reading into that,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: and she's reading in her own impressional it's because the
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: police aren't going to help them, or they're afraid, or
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: they're they're intimidated, or or they're not going to get
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: a fair trial. Right. But that's reading into it. You
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: can't read anything into it. Really, that's not a statement
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: you can say anything about.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: So while the court deemed the caccusation is false, it
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: isn't because the trial proved them false, but because the
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: withdrawal renders the original statements is false. No, that's not
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: where that is put. Okay, and that's not what's informing
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: the verified false versus the verified true. Like this is
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: just something that's coming out of left field. Yeah, but
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: it is true. Yeah. Guess what when you withdraw a statement,
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: you are saying that it is false evidence. Yeah, but
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: I think that the cop will allow that you maybe
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: you're mistaken or you updated your impression or something like
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: I'm unless you end up really wasting their time or
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: harming someone. I don't think you're gonna end up with
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: a false accusation accusation. So anyway, I'll go check the
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: I'll check the things and see if there's any further
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: No wait, no, no, that was Meredith. All right, So
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