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KeyForge Nationals Are Here – Who Will Claim the Crown? · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody? I'm the one, the only the w oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: I e one misfits short of a happy meal. We
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  Speaker 2: don't know what drass Car is doing.
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  Speaker 1: He's in an airplane.
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  Speaker 2: We assume totally legal things, but he's.
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  Speaker 3: Probably flapping his wings or he's riding a brooming.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he could Harry Potter it up? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: which Harry Wicked? Witch with a nose? Oh so you're
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: gonna go Wicked? Which I was gonna say, which? Which
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  Speaker 1: house do we think that Drascore would be a part of?
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  Speaker 1: If he is part of Harry Potter?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, Oh yes, loyal and friendly, drunk, definitely
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  Speaker 2: into the concoctions. Yeah, absolutely, But we got some stuff
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  Speaker 2: to go over. Kind of a quiet week and key
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  Speaker 2: Forge this week only one article which has nothing to
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  Speaker 2: pertain to anybody in the United States, but we're going
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  Speaker 2: to read about it anyway because it.
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  Speaker 3: Pertained to us.
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  Speaker 2: How does it pertain? Okay? Anyway, we don't have oh okay,
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: but we got things to go through first, a little
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: bit of housekeeping. We need to go why suck at
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: key Forge? Our titular segment with Doctor Sheep, our resident
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: boob doctor sheep, sheep, why do you suck? At key Forge?
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  Speaker 2: I keep playing for frod Why does that suck? I
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: don't understand why you're having so many issues.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm having so because it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: keep up. Man, It's just it's tough in this like
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: new meta of token spam, and if isn't token spam,
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: it's dishand disruption where you just can't handcraft and you
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: can't you can sort of still archive craft until you
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: hit that dirty pke siphon atack. But so like the
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  Speaker 3: combos that happen with the current sets are just way
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: way stronger.
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  Speaker 2: Too strong. Well, does that mean Fraud's back on the market.
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: Froud's been on the market since like six months after
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: I bought it. Oh no offers, Uh nothing that has
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  Speaker 3: blowed up?
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, so we'll keep you guys posted
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  Speaker 2: on the fraud off here at Arcand's Corner, your number
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  Speaker 2: one news source for everything KeyForge. I just made that
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  Speaker 2: up perfect.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what else can we be the number two?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe after their website fair enough, But sheep,
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  Speaker 3: we have another segment coming up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this with sheep.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so before sheep gets into op news, I had
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  Speaker 1: this sweet key Forge op goes into full swing email
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  Speaker 1: come from gig. Have you guys seen the new.
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  Speaker 3: Key three op articles linked in it?
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  Speaker 1: It did, but for anyone following along because some people
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: like the live show. I think this is where Das
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  Speaker 1: Corp is. I think the second section that says vault
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  Speaker 1: where twenty twenty five begins this month, and then there's
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  Speaker 1: a nice drink in this shadowy is character here? This
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  Speaker 1: is Dascore.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh you think Jascar is a shadows character? I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I think that's Ope. I think this.
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  Speaker 1: I've not seen this art before, so it's amazing. But
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  Speaker 1: if this is not paying homage to Drascore in the
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  Speaker 1: Dras Corps experience, I just I love the nod. I
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  Speaker 1: think that it was very well done. So if you
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  Speaker 1: have not checked it out, that's the little tidbits yep.
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  Speaker 2: And where did this go to?
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  Speaker 1: This is the key Forge newsletter from who April nance Galaxy?
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: It was Galaxy, man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I got an email. How did I
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  Speaker 2: not get an email? They don't like me?
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't subscribe to echos Galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: Ghost Galaxy and no, I just maybe it's in this email.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I got a lot of emails. Let
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  Speaker 2: me check my x spam. Oh, check spam. Oh jeez.
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  Speaker 3: The Nascourt doesn't wear a hat.
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  Speaker 1: He could, I understand. But I think this is very
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  Speaker 1: well done and I like that they're thinking about Drascore
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  Speaker 1: and the experience.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, no facial hair either. Dascar definitely has
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  Speaker 2: a beard.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm just gonna sit over here by
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  Speaker 1: foreigner and think about this and we're gonna move on
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  Speaker 1: and be said, all right, let's let's let's keep it going.
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  Speaker 2: But we have new op news again, nothing that affects
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  Speaker 2: US as a whole, sheep tell us about what we're
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  Speaker 2: not getting in twenty twenty five as a US.
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  Speaker 3: Say, put out their Nationals article.
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  Speaker 1: And hold back your enthusiasm, sheep man, if.
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  Speaker 3: You're getting a Vault tour, you're not getting the Nationals.
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  Speaker 3: Sign up for Nationals here, yeah, which.
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  Speaker 1: That is definitely what it says. We knew this ahead
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  Speaker 1: of time, but good go sign up if you are international.
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  Speaker 1: We had quite a few international listeners, and there's some
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  Speaker 1: great areas. If you don't have a Vault, I did there.
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  Speaker 2: Were click, I haven't what OVERUS places are getting vaults.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, there are a number of international vaults. But
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  Speaker 1: if if you basically get a vault, LOOKI you're not
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  Speaker 1: getting a national, which means we have vaults here in
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  Speaker 1: the States, we're not getting a national. There are spots
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  Speaker 1: that are getting vaults internationally, they will not be getting
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  Speaker 1: a national.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys remember regionals and all that fun stuff
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  Speaker 2: or we call those prime Yeah, those were fun to
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  Speaker 2: go to.
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  Speaker 1: It gave reason to be able to travel. I do
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  Speaker 1: say now that we've finished up the store championships, there's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of travel that happened with those store
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  Speaker 1: champs and so not to the same level. I think
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  Speaker 1: the primes were really nice. One they had actual, like
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  Speaker 1: good prize kits and something to go after. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: actually where the little metal geese first came from. For
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen and twenties, they were fun.
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  Speaker 2: But oh yeah, I know you're right, the little metal ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah nineteen Yeah, the little metal.
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  Speaker 1: But they're nice because they're smaller so they fit in
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  Speaker 1: it with a deck. But I missed that. But I
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: will say I did enjoy the store Championship. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was fun, it was something to participate in, and
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  Speaker 1: it did get me out to be able to try
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  Speaker 1: some different local stores. I thought it was easy to
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  Speaker 1: be able to find on the map. So I give
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  Speaker 1: props to Josh for that and the GG team for
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  Speaker 1: putting it together. But yes, I do miss primes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they do have the price on it's two hundred
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  Speaker 3: and fifty dollars plus shipping, plus.
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  Speaker 2: Duties plus duties. What duties?
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: But that's not the TA word for tariffs, but by
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  Speaker 1: it sooner.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, doesn't actually say what's in the kit. It just
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  Speaker 3: says it's two hundred and fifty dollars and the kit
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  Speaker 3: supports thirty two players for three tournaments.
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what happens? What do you think would happen
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  Speaker 2: if we applied, we just get shut down.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: You'd be shut down. We're in the States. Do you
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: think they just talked about this? Do you think they
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  Speaker 1: know really?
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  Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, you know, Sidney's putting it on on the boat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Every port has a different has a different national You
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  Speaker 2: have the Cuban National Championships. Uh wait, which coast are
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  Speaker 2: we going down?
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  Speaker 1: You're you're leading this you're you are you are leading
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  Speaker 1: this cast captain, Which coast do you want to go down?
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  Speaker 2: I would say the East coast? No, is the East
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  Speaker 2: coast better than the West coast? Probably probably a horse.
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  Speaker 3: Organizers must avoid age restricted venues and venues with political
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  Speaker 3: or religious associations. No church forward, sir.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of fresh forage going on. Oh but typically
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  Speaker 1: those venues will have a little bit more space because
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  Speaker 1: they'll have a larger.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of cure basements.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, picture that they are used multiple times a week,
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  Speaker 1: but at most what two three times? So there are
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  Speaker 1: open days and a lot of space.
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  Speaker 2: Do you imagine having your having your sealed national championship
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  Speaker 2: on a Sunday? Oops? Battling the choir Now, I'll just
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  Speaker 2: let my imagination right. I'm glad we're getting somewhere here tonight.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: This is a great episode. I love all of you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not giving you the feedback
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  Speaker 1: that you want.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not You're not You're not giving me the bounce
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  Speaker 2: back that I need. You can't make fun of when
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: there's no bounce back. Alight, give me more, but we'll
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: do making a bounce back. Final Refrain has wrapped itself
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  Speaker 2: up well.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: While he's talking about Final Refrain, I'm gonna bounce over
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  Speaker 1: you if you apply apply by May the fifth.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, may the fifth be with you? Or no, it's
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Revenge of the fifth.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's Revenge of the fifth the fourth, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: May fifth five is when applications are open to so
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  Speaker 1: definitely go check it out.
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  Speaker 2: If you're not getting a vault to her, I might
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: apply just to waste Gigi's time. That's why they don't
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: come on this show.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: But we don't invite them on the show. So we're
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: good with that.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Invite it again, Invite we We've gone through this. Invite
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: them for what? What are they going to tell us
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  Speaker 2: that we don't already know?
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: One of them live?
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: You you want to make fun of them to their face?
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: We do comment we two every week. All you gotta
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: do is listen. So, Josh, what is it like? Or
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: so final refrain wrapped up? What was that this past
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Sunday Sundays, This past Sunday, This past Sunday we had
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Pastor asked nim Rod going up again to record keeper
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Lucida Latrivic. Oh gosh, very nice, bookie vit trekt trek
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: there we go. That was trickier than it looks, and uh,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm gonna say, And Pastor asked, taking it
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: two to one kind of shocking, where'd you guys have
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: your chips on that?
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Well all first? While Sheep is thinking about that, Congrats
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: to Harmed and Pastor asked for being there. Actually, congrats
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: to everyone who participated. It was a fun event to
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: be able to participate in. Even though I got bounced
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: in round one. It was very interesting to see what
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: decks were played in a lot of great players there.
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  Speaker 1: So props to both of our pilots who are able
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to go ahead to make it to the finals. Some
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: great decks to be able to go up against. But
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: Harms and past Or ass taking it down, so way
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: to go. It is a very very very special deck.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: After playing it in the open, it's got some duels.
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: I did make that prediction at the start that harm
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: would win it.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: It is. It is a phenomenal deck.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: So who owns ass? Don key for.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, donkey, George, we'll get it.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a little bit, but I
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: haven't watched the video yet. Record Keepers. Still hell of
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: a deck though, uh oh yeah, it is very very
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: ember oppressive and very difficult to play making it all
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: the way. I mean I lost, I lost to a finalist,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: you know, Deck, I don't think I have too much
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  Speaker 2: to hang hang my head on. But we had this thought,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: me and me and mister Ewok were talking. Now number one.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: We didn't put this in the notes, but we're going
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: into We had Vault Tours about two weeks away. Two
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: weeks away will be the first Vault Millennium games in Rochester.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming there will be a stream. We don't know yet,
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: but we're all assuming there will be one. We have
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: more attendees or less. It's a year later, right, are
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: we gonna have more people coming out to Vaults or less?
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: And has excuse me, it might have changed within Oh
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: you got it on it. It might have changed in
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. No, so everybody's thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't see.
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  Speaker 1: The Canadians.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see how the head count goes up.
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  Speaker 3: There hasn't been any real push to put more people
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  Speaker 3: in the game.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Yep, That's kind of what I was saying. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we've gained a couple of new people in the server
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  Speaker 2: that we know are kind of new to the game.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: But other than that, I mean not not, not many.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know that our discord blew up actually
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: after our weekly Tuesday when we were talking about this,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: and we did not even put fuel on this. My
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  Speaker 1: question just came for all the returning we have four
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  Speaker 1: out of the five US vaults. Rochester, Roseville, Baltimore, and
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Vegas are all repeats from last year, Portland being new.
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  Speaker 1: So my question is we have numbers from last year.
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  Speaker 1: Would those numbers be higher? And honestly, coming in, I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the games are here, we should be
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: able to go ahead, especially for Roseville, like we should
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: be able to get into the forties. And the short
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: answer is yeah, wokie, you were you were adamantly against me,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: and now seeing Rochester, I think it's gonna be the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: first glimpse. What she said is true. We haven't put
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: anything into really bringing the game. There can be an
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: argument about discovery, but even discovery, how has it reached
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: new players?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know I've heard some people, but yeah,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: just discovery isn't really about Vault to her attendance at
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: this point. No, like a person who just learned about
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: the game through discovery since it's released, is not the
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: person who's likely to be traveling to.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: A vault not likely to travel, but if they're in
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: the local area. And that's now a quick johnt where Hey,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: I'm within.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: You know, pay to go play a game that you
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: just learned. I'm not saying it can't happen.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking that there's still reason for
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: people to come out and the side events and different
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: items that happen in a vault, just to check it out.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that that could increase our numbers. But I
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I just I had a tickle go down my spot.
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  Speaker 2: What if Sealed is going to be Discovery.
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  Speaker 3: Now?
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: But what if I didn't say it was happening? I said,
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  Speaker 2: what if?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Why would you say such awful things?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Back to the old a Sealed days? Oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. We need to find out next
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: week when we actually run what we said we'd run.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: But nobody showed up to play, so we we did
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  Speaker 3: not play Discovery at our store. Although it's scheduled to
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  Speaker 3: be Discovery this month. We are discovered nobody is showing
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: up because like.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody about it, nobody everybody.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: When everybody at the store we are at already knows
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: there's a group playing key Forge and they're not showing
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: up like we've advertised on their page and on all
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: that stuff. For I don't know. We've been consistently going
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: for two years to that store.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Now, right, yep, and we've gained two people. Well, we
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: gained a person, we gained Pete.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we initially gained two. Then we
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: had a slip. And that's part of why I could
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: potentially to get back for attendance. I could see us
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: dropping down, is that there have been some people who've
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: left for other games. I think it'll be really interesting
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: because Roosevelt was really small as is. If our numbers
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: are dwindling even further, that's a bit of a bummer
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  Speaker 1: because again we have a really good community of the group.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of Canadians are showing up
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  Speaker 2: this year.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And that was what came out later this week
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: is with the increase in just cost and chance to
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: be able to travel, it's not going to be as
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: easy and some people don't feel safe and so they
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: weren't willing to make that trans transit across the into
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: our country, So I don't know, it'll be interesting to
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: see with this first ball just I mean two weeks
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  Speaker 1: away is pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and it's in Rochester, so it's the perfect
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the easiest place to hop the border
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  Speaker 2: besides for maybe Minnesota to you know, come play for
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  Speaker 2: a Rochester. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's the easiest, you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: besides maybe Minnesota. Maybe it maybe not, you know, I mean,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what equally, I don't know what distance
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: it is, but I know that they I think they
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: had quite a number of Canadians traveled downward to come
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: play Key Forge. I think they had what's sixty last year?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they had a really substantial group. I don't know.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean it was quite a number last year,
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  Speaker 2: and I know it was high because that was after
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the Roseville event, and I think we were all shocked
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: at how high it was. But knowing just where the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: dense population, I'm I gotta say it's going to be
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: lower this year, substantially low. I mean, well maybe not substantially,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: but I lower ten people lower at least, well area.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Part of this went in. You know, what would numbers
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: look like for arkhun versus Alliance versus Sealed where we're
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: all there some interesting thought process, but we will soon
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: find out.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Boys, and I wonder you and I had an interesting conversation.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: We didn't get Sheep's input on it. Maybe I want
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I want Sheep's input now. So with the new ascension rules,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I know Sheep, you don't care personally, you could give
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: two squirts. But with the new ascension rules, will this
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: possibly chase some people away? Because oh, I was going
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to borrow a friend from a deck, or I was
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: going to borrow a deck from a friend, and now
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: if I ascend it, they can't play it at VTS anymore.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Therefore they're no longer going to borrow me said deck.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that's going to have attendance at all.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think that I was one hundred percent
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: with Sheep here, honestly, especially for ARCon, you're looking at
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: two decks for ARCon. I know Josh can go out
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and put out that there's eight, but you're really looking
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: at three decks times two in order to make the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: different pods. It's really more three pods, and it's a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: select group for Alliance.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But we're looking at ARCon I didn't even I know, but.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That's where like, that's why he came up with That's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: why he came up with eight. And then looking across
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the ten vaults, we're looking at eighty decks and it's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: just not that amount. If you're looking at two decks
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: times here's our five, you're looking at ten decks across
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the US vaults. Do ten decks have somewhat of an impact? Sure?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But is it more even localized from the east coast
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all the way to the west coast from beginning to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: end with the vaults, I think you're going to see
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that range, and I think there are more than ten
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: decks that are viable. So I think it has an impact.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's good for the game, but I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: think that it has a monster impact. Because we had
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: actually taken a step further with and we had talked
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: what about going ahead and qualifying the top four just
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: hypothetical qualifying the top four for worlds and then elimiting those.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you have four decks instead
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of two, so you're doubling that. Do you go of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: the top eight and eight times you know you're ten?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: That would be there in the US five so forty decks.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know where that sweet spot is. But it's
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just an interesting thought process to kind of walk through
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: what we can I mean, because we can bring this
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: back to Final Refrain. Final Refrain, you saw thirty two
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: solid decks being played, but it was across it was online,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it was across the world, and they were being borrowed.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Will you see that, well.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You see decks now going forward?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think there's a number of people still
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: borrow because I can't make it to a vault or
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I have more than one. Again, there are multiple there
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: are people who own multiple decks that fall into that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: a tier versus an S tier. Is a enough to
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: be able to make it in the top, Yes, I mean.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Cheap is a enough to make it into the tap?
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it is.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It comes down to your matchups when you're going through.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you just end up with a cleaner line than others.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Even looking at even looking at the Final Refrain, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: would argue that who was matched up And there was
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: some feedback about oh it was single one and done. Yes,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it was a bummer that I got matched up. To
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: be honest, I think they did it really well. Single matchup,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you win or you lose, and we move on. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that's okay. If you're looking to do a double elimination
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: or something else, it just gets much much longer. This
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: was very fitting with March Madness basketball, where that first
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: day or two there's just so much happening to watch,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and so I really like the first round of Final Refrain.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of matches and yeah, you pull
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it or you don't.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Well, with everyone being for Malak across the world, it
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: was difficult at time.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Frame for tim. Yeah, but think about all the casters
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: who are there, who are recording. I mean again, the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: media team and the casters did a phenomenal job for
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Final Refrains. I give them true props. But as it
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: went on for the events, you were still scheduling across
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: international lines. But it worked out. You just had a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: higher proportion of games that were played on the weekends
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: versus necessarily during the week Yeah.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know how. I mean, I have
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to imagine we don't see the Bandolas of the world.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I have to imagine we don't see I think you
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: can see it, and then just wins depending goes on. Well, right,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but okay, Pastor s.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Will be played in one again. Donkey Forge, if I'm correct,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: should be from the Netherlands. That seems to be the area.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And if you're looking, there should be a German, there
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: should be a French vault.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Well, they'll at least be there will at least be
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: a Nationals.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I know we.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: We they have all those and yeah, we have be
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: saved for that play group to play it at their stuff.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: That makes sense. I don't know. I was just just
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: thinking it's interesting where we used to say, I don't
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: know the and I used to say that there were
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: no S decks.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's true.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Not true anymore because the top tier stuff is so Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: But I think that there are some decks. It's still
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a very very small amount.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: But what what would be the S decks cheap? I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: know you're going to say Pastor?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I feel that is yeah, even those all those decks
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: technically have a hole, and I'm right, like, yes.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I mean yes, I mean Pete has a deck that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: beat up past are pretty good. The only problem is
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it's got to make it through the rest of the field.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Then that might be the bigger issue. It does. It
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: does shut down Pastor nicely, but will it shut down
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the rest of the field, And then answer is maybe
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: maybe not.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing about Pastor that I think a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: lot of people miss both Geistid mars On Tamed. Immediately.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: People look and see, okay, it's got double winds of death,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: key abduction, double key abduction. But what really is missing
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: is that it is a very very very high high ceiling.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: With the double doctors, UFOs, replay pod your ironics, rebel them,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Mars can go absolutely off. That's what's there. You have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: options in order to be able to to purge key
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: pieces and to be able to eliminate things. I will
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: actually say the I was playing a Master in the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: open and the target was able to target basically pushed
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: through and then grab the winds of Death. And while
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: winds of Death would have been problematic for me the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: cursed Tomb, so playing Curse Tom and then dropping winds
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of Death to wipe out thirteen of the cards that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: were on board, that does something to a deck. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the Geistoid with the elimination and the purge that can
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: actually come from it is definitely something. But you also
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: have the key cheet with spooky charge, you have the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: nep seat. There you have the haunting, which to just
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: throw out some creatures and gain amber. So there are
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: lots of different lines for it to take. But notice
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Pastor does not have any hard r It's amber control
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is pretty limited. You get skeletal, more mook. So there
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: there are lines, there are things that it can do,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but putting everything into the archives, there's only so many
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: decks that have the archive hate. If we look anything
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: f f G it does, it just doesn't have an
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: impact on it, which is why we can look at
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: some of the newer decks.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But look, some of the chant is saying ban Dola
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: is ban Dola s S tiered deck.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Prob.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I don't feel it is. It's I mean it's it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: high up there. For maybe there are still no S
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: tier decks.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: But Van Dola's lost plenty of games. Well okay, but.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Are you considering require like no losses sure, because that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that I don't see.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It's had high level losses. I mean it it didn't.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: It didn't win worlds.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: The only the only thing you give Pastor kind of
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a pass on is that it wasn't involved in worlds,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So we can't really say that like, oh, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: it didn't win, So it's not as here.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Pastor was involved in Worlds. It was in the Open
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and it took second, right, So.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it wasn't involved.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It was involved in the Arkon Open, it was not
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: involved in Worlds. There are two very different things.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I would argue that you had some very very very
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: good decks in the Arkon Open.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: But you didn't have world level decks in the Open.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That is not correct. Was over there?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pastor as was over there and it didn't win.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, is like right there, that should
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, maybe that's the argument is that it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: not as tire, but it just it ran into something
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that could go ahead and disrupt its plan, and that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it's going to have issues. Looking at Bandola playing against Bandola,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I will tell you it is absolutely brutal. I don't know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I can it lose, sure, But I do think that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: both of those fall into s tear for me, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: maybe that's where I'm just wrong, But.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just Bandola went to every Vault
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: tour last year. What what did it win? Two or three?
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I think it only one one? I don't know. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: don't actually track that stuff close enough to know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: One Rose, it got June her Worlds, and it got
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Can't Marrow Worlds? Right, yeah, yeah, so did they get
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I think it did. Did it got Mike in the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Worlds too?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, he played in world It did that at Canadian Nationals.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Oh so okay, so one two? So I don't know.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so you can see flicks over here
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: saying uh, a deck can be S tier and have
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: bad matchups. I agree with that S tier means it
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: is above A which is extremely viable worth playing it vaults.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But I think the definition of what S tier is
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is really the hinge point, and that's probably what needs
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to be clearly defined. So when Z would talk about
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: S tier and she when we're looking at S tier,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: that's not just that it's what we consider as a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know that definition for S tier is really
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: important in my opinion.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Well, according to it's definition, itself representing the highest rank
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: signifying the best or most desirable and right now.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, yeah, that's that's bandola and that's faster.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: There are S tier decks back of the day. Then
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: if that's the definition we're using.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Probably yeah, I mean yeah, I think the the gap
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: between the toppest stuff and the mid top stuff is.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Bigger before.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that the rarity edge case stuff makes way stronger
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: decks because it's it's you know, like in the Code
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of Days and sure, the sets were a little bigger.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: So it was like, could I get the same rare
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: multiple times? Now it's do I get the rare rares
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: with an enhancement on them to make the stuff.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Even more gross?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, say a lottery pick for one hundred percent. Sure,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: but when you hit it, these decks are ridiculous, not unbeautiful,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: but but but pitcher. Now we're putting them into it
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: l system where they have to lose twice. And statistically speaking,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: these S tier decks do have a higher probability of
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: being able to be successful. You still have a draw,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you still have the pilot and people who have to
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: be able to run it, but you have a higher probability.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And again that's when you're coming to a vault to whur.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: When you're playing competitive, you don't want to come in with, hey,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: here's an easy matchup a fifty to fifty. If you're
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not playing something that's broken. It's you got to push
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: harder for it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I keep I feel like every time in q Forge,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: when something comes out that's really really good, we all
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: just go it's broken.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: It's broken good until that gets beated.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But that's well. I mean, we've only really honestly had
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: one cent one set since.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We never said what was broken.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not true at all.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, guys might not much agreed that Woe was about right?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: What was about right it? It actually allowed a few
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: decks still to be to remain viable, but at the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: same time it pushed a higher probability that Woe was
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: going to be successful. Gr just broke that wide open
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and said I could care less what you're going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: do well, and we're blowing everything out of the water.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I also disagree about the amount of sets. Now, you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: could make an argument that here's your tournament legal sets,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: here's what has been released. But you had Amber Skies,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you had Talk, we had MMM, you had Discovery. Not
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: all of these are tournament worthy and viable and producing
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: at a very very high rate. But there have been
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of sets that have been released. Well, okay,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that's a whole another thing. I'm a where Wookie, And
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: again I'd much rather lean into let's do two sets
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a year and do them well. But that's just where
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Well, but the problem now is you released gr so
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: you have to match that energy.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Well. And so there was a comment in our discords
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: earlier this week that came out, do we need to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: really be in a for our vaults? Do we need
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to have what was our Vault Warrior idea, and that is,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: here's the day where these sets are going to be legal,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: these sets are not. And then from there we're going
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and dig into a second day with
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: here's this next grouping of sets and then sealed the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: combination of all that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: They certainly can't bother running an event that doesn't include
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the sets that they have printed recently like that, that's
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: just dumb. Wow. That is at a Vault tour as
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: a serious event. I mean now as some side event
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: or some you know, like the adaptive folks are like, well,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: we want to do adapt event. We only want to
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: play f FG sets. Yeah whatever, but gg to say, hey,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: our stuff's too good, We're gonna run an event where
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: you only can use your old crap. So sheep can
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: feel real good about owning fraud. That's that's just dumb.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Oh no, No, I'm one hundred percent in agreement with you,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: But I will say it was brought up, it was
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: talked about for online events and for other items. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: when we're we're actually talking here that for Vault Warrior,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the idea was not to go ahead and just have
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: old sets. It was actually to lean into the newer sets.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And so the older sets is what they're limiting. That's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a whole nother talent.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Now in that quality that exists now, that's I feel
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: is even wider than it used to be.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I am with you. I'm just saying that the idea
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: for Vault Warrior was brought up again. So it's interesting.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I just don't see how it fixes any of the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: current problems. Like what Vault Warrior was all about was like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: how do we kick the overpowered code of stuff out?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so what that would do now that's just
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: not a thing. Yeah, but you're not worried about CODA
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: right now. What you're worried about is GR and so
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you simply push.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Not that worried about GR. It's good. Faster is really good.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I agree of both accounts, But I'm
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: telling you a lot of people in the community are.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think that you fix it kind
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of going forward with some of this stuts. But I
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: also think that if you really were worried about that,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you could do the Vault Warrior, where essentially woe becomes
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: here's one legal set and then now it's GR and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: then we're out of GR. That's how you could phase
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it out if you were going to go ahead.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And I don't think I don't think it's it that's dumb,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: because then at that point, let's just let's just do
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: what I originally said and just ascend to the top
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: two decks forever, because why.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Would you even.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that comes into this conversation. Well,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: it's a way, but then you're you're it's a way
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to limit what's out there, right, and it's a way
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to bring new stuff in. Correct, If that's this is
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: what I'm hearing, It's a way to eliminate the top
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: most broken ship.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, sure, yeap, it eliminates the top most.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, the.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Next one, right, tell me where I'm wrong, then, Jared,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: tell me where It's not about just eliminating.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I think you have ruined why the game where nobody
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: will buy decks anymore, because we have literally, if we're
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: looking at playing for a vault and you want to
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: be competitive, we have such a low probability of being
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: able to go out and open it up as.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Is, We're gonna go ahead and turn we have all
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: these paper weights. Now I'm going to turn my top
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: two decks into paper weights. That nothing nothing like no
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: decks were one dollar digital whatevers. Yeah, okay, take them away,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: but at the price and the right that we I
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just like that that if they've made it where you're
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: going to lose your best act, then you've wrecked the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: secondary market. You've the secondary market's already wrecked. It's already bad.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: There's no good, there's nothing.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: At all.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I won't exist at all, which is even worse.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Or when it exists more because now people are like,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: all right, my top decks on. So now I'm gonna
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: go find something different.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: No, because people want more than a hundred bucks, because
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you're just going to lose it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: In theory, maybe.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, because it's all just doing is just a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: different form of deck ascension, except it just to sends
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: a whole set, but.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: There's nothing to be gained by it. Like the whole
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: thing for other games is if that deck goes ahead
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and becomes super successful, there's something you're just saying, sorry, goodbye.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: There's nothing to be gained by it, So why invest
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: any money in the game.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Well, then where's the where's the investment if you're if
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you're ascending sets, because because the Vault Warrior idea is
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: essentially as sended sets, where sets just became nothing.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Well but that was only for those events.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Now it was just for a vaultable event.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I thought you enough enough. Ever, but they when they're
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: talking about it in the chat, and I saw that
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: they're tired. They're talking about Vault tours are now basically
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the Vault Warrior format. That's what they're talking about.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think we go back to what
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: we talked about the other day. It's our counton sealed
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: one day and alliance and sealed the next day.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I love love it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: If if if you had ar Con and then the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: buy get three, pick one and you like make your choice.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Out, there be a one hundred and fifty dollars ticket
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: for the weekend.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I'm in I'm perfectly fine with that. Give me six decks,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I'm perfectly fine with doing all of that. So the
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: point of having any of these decks because we never
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: play ARCon with them.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, but the sweet spot for the game, Yeah,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the sweet spot for the game is in sealed. But
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: it comes back to will attendance be higher if we're
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: if we're dropping down and you're in the twenties, Yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: The what the well, it's vaults not breaking even, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I wonder at what point do they go we're done
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: running vaults. I wonder what that population numbers.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we won't see it. We have a good community.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It's really a fun time. But man, that would be sad.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I think that would essentially probably be the death of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, it would be hard.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: It would be hard to come even though.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I'm going, I'm only getting to go to one vault
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: this year, if like. But I mean, we made it
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: through the first proxy death of the game.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: We made it through the loss of the algorithm, we
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: made it through the pandemic.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: We like, but this was all thoughts of its Well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: it'll come back someday, It'll come back someday. It'll come
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: back someday.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But there have been other games that have been revamped
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: or picked up by someone else that's more like essentially
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: our community members. I know we had we talked for
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a key chain, but even Keychain and the community run
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: ope that they are throwing together, which we'll get to
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: not today but in the future. Like the community as
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a whole honestly can do a better job at times.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: We saw that with Star Wars Minis. That's where it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: being run right now. So is that what this is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: eventually going to come to?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: But I could see it thinking about Star Wars. Okay,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Star Wars Minis is one thing, but Star Wars Minis
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: is dead. Nobody like lays claim to that. How do
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: you run an event on something where there's a there's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a company that still owns the game.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it'll have to it'll have the sunset first,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and then once the game has been sunset and lost
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and not being produced, then someone will pick it up.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: The difference is for Star Wars mini Is, what we
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: did is we took basically your cars, because there's a
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: figure and a card, and the figure stayed the same,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: but you basically created a digital version of the that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was different or modified, and so that allowed us, as
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you know, homegrown people to be able to modify, change it,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: create those sets. It was used within the community, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that was competitive group of players who went ahead and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: did that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean the same thing. It's how Star Wars
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: CCG is still around.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, but I don't see that as I don't
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: see that happening with the algorithmically generated decks here. That
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: would be really challenging to do.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would be. But I mean, yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: if you lose Vaults, I don't think key Forge is
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: much far behind it. I mean I don't. There's there's
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: no we're already not given many reasons to come to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: our local store and play key Forge, and we're all
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: ready and then you lose the big events.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean that definitely kills key Forge for us.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Sure, but what I mean, what what's left.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Playing a good game with your friends.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: He's really saying, why would you not play another board
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: game or something else that's there? And I get that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: because what this game is and everything's drawing your attention
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: in time, but there's always a new hot toy, So
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get the chance.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just and again, it's when it comes
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: down to it, when it comes down to key Forge itself. Right,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't I go buy a board game which I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: buy kind of once and done and I can have
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: fun with over and over and over again instead of
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: key Forager. It's like, well, I can buy new stuff again.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: This is where this fel comes in the chance. I mean,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: while I have absolutely skunked the last two weeks, both
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in the decks that I've pulled and then the amount
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of wins that I've had, there's still a chance. Like
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with friends, it's still a better investment
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: then going to movies. I enjoy the time, I enjoy talking,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, just I enjoy the process of throwing
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: some cards down for a short period of time. Would
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: it make it more enjoyable if they were more competitive
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and I could go ahead and get more use out
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: of them. Sure, but I'm okay surviving at this point.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: That's what Alliance was supposed to do. It's supposed to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: make all your old decks good. It didn't happen for
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: all the bro Sorry spoiler alert, Yeah, it didn't happen.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: An alliance just became more decrepit than ever.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't I don't want to lean to that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But if our numbers are decreasing for the vaults, do
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we see hitting how low? Maybe that's the question. How
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: low will our ARCon numbers go this year for our
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: US vaults and how low will our Alliance numbers go?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Because I think we had one that was sixteen or
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: seventeen people last year, some people qualified after hitting the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: second round was done?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Uh in US? Yeah, I didn't think we had that
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: loaded were one.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: That didn't even have eight I really no, No, we
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: have that. But that's all right because they've stacked last year.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: He's stacked.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I really think there's going to be four
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: player Alliance events this year.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: They stack. They're going to stack again.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: No, they.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: They can't.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: They've said, they've said so many different things, so many times,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and how many times do they just go, well, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: this is kind of what we got to do because
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: reasons they're going to stack. If it is twenty people,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: they're going to stack, it's going it's going.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: To happen at twenty.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at thirty people they stack as well,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: like especially because I mean.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Well, hopefully attendance is better than we think.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully they surprise it out. I just hope that
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it's consistent. I mean, that's the big issue that I have,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: is that it needs to be consistent. I don't think
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that we should be stacking. If they said don't stack,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: then we stick true and we don't stack.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: When have they ever stuck true to anything they've ever said?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I mean it helps us in some regards
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: for the game that they're flexible and willing to be
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: able to justice the year goes on, But it's not great.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm telling you, if you're going to Roosevelt or
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: if you're going to Rochester bringing a Lions deck, you're
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: gonna need it. You will need it. You're going to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: need it. You're not gonna I highly doubt you're going
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: to have the Canadians this year. And then not only
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: on top of that, you've got it highlighted right here.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Y'all want some ball Master, y'all want some All Master
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: twenty five? No, the answer is no, I don't watch
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: your shitty Vault Master twenty five.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't worry, it's already there. I'm well aware.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you miss, and if.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: You miss, Josh going ahead and talking fast because of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: when the update was for t r G Vault Master
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: twenty five will be tournament legal right away to play
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: at the first vault that is Rochester.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Sure does it even matter? I'm gonna take that as
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a no from everyone? Does it?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Here's the.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Here's the short answer, wikie, it doesn't. Snicker will try it,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: but it does not make matter until it matters, meaning
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: one of those that people will bring it. But if
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: you open something that's super spicy and we don't know
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: what the card pool is, what's there, do you get
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: some shock and awe and maybe you go ahead and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: take it a little bit further.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: The arc because it's all reprint cards.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It's all reprint cards number one, number two. We know
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: they always focus heavy on creatures, involve master sets, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you know as well as anyone that it is not
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: creatures which make an art conduct ARCon work.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: No. No, it needs to be actions. Yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So will it be tournament It'll be tournament legal, but
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: it won't be tournament viable. There may be one or
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: two that's like there, you know, get get the get
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the Arcon's blessing of actual goodness. But it's just it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: not It's again they just I feel like they continue
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to say We've listened to you, but it's like, have
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: you have you listened to us at all? Because I
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: feel like you listen to us when you want to
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and when it is convenient for you, but when it
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: is more difficult and things we actually want and need,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Like how long have we been asking for just fucking
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: ope at our local scene? We offered money to get
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: ope at our local scene anything.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't worry, wookie, we have local op. Well, yeah,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I guess does that participate in buying products? Have their
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: own store backing on the back of the decks Cool,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: we did the Mars event. Cool. We have the key,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the Discovery key chain key charms. Cool. The problem that
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: you're really talking about is consistency. And again, as someone
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: who's run and we talked about this for two plus
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: years at our local store, what is really important is
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: to show up every single week. In order to build
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: your long term you have to have advertising. We have
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to be able to get out. There has to be
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: something that entices people to come back.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: We've had more, we've been advertising at games Universe for
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: two years.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I understand, but I'm saying like there has to be something.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: There, has something adenticing people to come back. Yeah, there
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: has to be all those in a while.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: But it can't just be here that's coming from us
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: as players. The game has.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Here's another ship deck that you probably are going to
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: go in your pile of shame, probably not going to
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: be unwrapped, and uh, it's got a cool stamp on
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the back.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Half fun, we're we're buying and then we're playing where
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: we're not going ahead and having unwrapped.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and Discovery, I mean, what a failure
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: that thing was. I don't even know how that's gonna
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: be any fun for new players because any player that's like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy this Discovery deck is just gonna get
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: mallywomped by anyone playing them well.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I mean discovery, and Discovery is offering something and as
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: a way to be able to introduce the game, it
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: reduces the complexity level versus what you are seeing in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Amber Skies or grimm reminders or woe or tokens of
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: change like. So it was needed. It was desperately needed, competitive, viable,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: no but you're really you're really looking at two very
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: very very different groups.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: But you you're having fun to want to come back
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to a game.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I can go ahead and have fun with Discovery.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean if we're playing Discovery and Discovery, I
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: can have fun.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: You can have fun because you know the game, you've
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: played the game, you're familiar with the game. You you
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: know this is like a one and done type deal.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: But if this is your first experience and you're going
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: in on Discovery and just getting your teeth kicked in,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I guess where is that fun?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I guess here. Here's the thing. You're thinking that Discovery
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: is going to be played against all other sets and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: in that manner, yeah, Discovery is not going to be there,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: but just Discovery against Discovery having people who haven't played
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it is I think that it would still provide a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: good gaming experience. I can't say that it's not.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: M I have my doubts. We'll find out next week.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: We again, we've all we've opened, we've opened some of
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the decks, we've looked at, and we've played. That's that's
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: not necessarily the issue here. But yeah, and did you
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: did you have fun?
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Because I was with my friends playing key for it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Did you no, no? Did you have fun playing the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: dack or were you incredibly frustrated playing the deck?
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: It was somewhere in the middle most of the games.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: That's where it is.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're just giving me all the non answers.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: You're like, like, it was I I.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Didn't play it this past week or the week before.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't remember the deck well enough.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I remember we played it.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: It was a game.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But could I tell you what decks that were not
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Discovery that I've played within the last month. No, there's
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: most of them of shame.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: And we're like, hey, yeah, you're playing your pussy clock deck.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: On the puss and cocks. It's fun. It's silly fun.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And I again.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Sealed, are we just at this point.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: He's there. Yeah, he's trying every week more than I do.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: You're you were playing over on the side and the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: other thing that I actually on the same stuff every week. Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: So the question that I actually had on here was
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: we are two weeks out from Millennium Games Rochester, so
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: if you're in that area, please go. I think that
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: it's a wonderful experience.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Doe go have fun.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Please, but that's for both playing key Forge, for
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: opening Cracking Sealed, playing ark On and Alliance, but also
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: for spending time with the community afterwards. I think is
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: all worthwhile. But my question is, boys, have you seen
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: anything for prising for the vaults this year? We're two
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: weeks away?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Well, master, what do you mean?
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Nah? Well, yeah, I mean I can't see it being
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: anything except identical the last year's. Yeah, wide play mats
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: instead of the narrow playmats. I can't disagree with you either.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I just haven't seen anything, so I didn't know if
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I was missing it. If I'm I'm looking forward to
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: like hinting gig. If you want to incentivize.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: People, this is this is where don't don't tell them
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: what you're you're doing, because because yes, let people show off.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: There, they're not going to be happy, So don't show them.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Let's just say when you don't have prize support at
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: this point, it's because it's not going to overwhelm you, right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: So because it's it is worse for ticket sales to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: show underwhelming prizes than it is to just let people hope.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, how about this at.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: The point if they release what the prizes are and
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: they're bad, all that does is get some locals who
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: were drive in to maybe go. Who cares because anybody
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: has already bought their tickets, right, and showing amazing prizes
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: just pisss off people who went, God damn, I would
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: have gone if I'd known they're going to be that good.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: So I can't see why they would release anything.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: But if they were, If if they were that good,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: do you feel that we would get an increase. You
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: have your procrastinators, but people just sitting on the fence
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and going, you know, that's a long drive, but this
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: prize is they look amazing.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm actually if they were truly amazing, and
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: it might met a player or two.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I know this is odd, but even the silly keys
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: for the Primes, well, you were talking Primes earlier. We
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: drove further than we normally would have to go to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: some of the primes.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Because it was also World Championship invites, so you have
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: access to worlds you had Primes.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: There was good stuff, but the Primes, the boxes, the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: boxes were good stuff. The play mats were good stuff.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what else was this?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: The Grim Reaper mats were not great. Man, I Wills
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite map. Yeah, but once you got one, it
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: was like, and then you give it, you give it
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to somebody else wants a Grim Reaper mat. Oh I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: got mine, so she Sheep gave me him. Here you go,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: you can take this.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, sweet grim Reaper mat.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: That's how Pete's getting all of his decks.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Now Tuesday, here's some decks.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Show up every Tuesday, get some more.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: None of them are worth having, but here you go.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Keep telling you we should do the win it of that.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: It should be a big event. Win it or been it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Everybody shows up with their entire collection and just plays
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: until they're out of decks. No, no, it's a horrible idea.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: We'll sit there for years years. All right, maybe didn't
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: bring ten decks, but if you lose, you gotta destroy it.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Got a No, nobody wants that idea. Huh yeah fine,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: So to kind of go here, I would like to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: see surprising if what if they just surprised us in
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the future, like alternate universe, ah, and they actually want
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to had and put out really good prizing like not
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: just I'm not talking money. I'm actually talking here's boxes
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: or cases of product.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: A Vault Master twenty five, No, not Vault.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Master of just whatever the newest set is. We don't
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: need to do the extra work for Vault Master. You
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: want to go ahead and do tags for the winners
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: some of your presence set that you're working on. Great,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: that's a little stamp that you put on. You put
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: it over on the side that goes to your top
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: A easy to calculate. Done. But if we were to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: put in a case, is that more incentive?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I think?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: So we we know what other games will go ahead
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and do.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I think you need some cool little trinkets that you
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: could play with that okay you why why not some?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Why not some? Uh? Why not some Vault Well what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: is it? Vault Warrior. That's that's the thing they stole,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: right yeah, Vault Warrior. Why not keys that you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Vault Warrior, Roseville Vault Warrior, Rochester Vault Warrior. I mean
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: you're pretty much putting these in the same place.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: How many copies of keys do you need?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: If I had a set of how many play mats
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: do you need? But yet I still use the one
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: that says I got second place at Nationals. Sure, but
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I mean like, if you were to tell me you
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: had one that said Vault Warrior san Antonio, you wouldn't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: use them. You didn't be like, yeah, Vaul voice is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: what I want from when I want to It's a way.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: To Vault Warrior san Antonio. Play mat?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Have I seen it does the same vault wordor does
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: it just say champion? I don't know. You come with
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: a pile of play mats every week.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Two that I brought from.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I'm the one who was trying to actually like cycle
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: through mine. She just brings the same. I don't know
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the reason I throw this idea out. Let's say that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you win the lottery, just if we had money to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: be able to put in I'm just curious, what would
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: what would people actually like? So hit us up on discord,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: go to leave that behind?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, what I like? I would like U
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: ember right, remember those uh where I'm going to this
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: conversation we have for the past, But we need word
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: token still. We need uh.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Like, in all seriousness, you don't want ward tokens.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Yes I do.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have any any cool word tokens I have.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: I still have the crummy cardboard ones.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I don't have any.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Cool you can just be like Loco Car and use cardboard.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: No, I hate those things. And he does it to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: piss people off, which it's just he he does. He
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: does it to be different and just it's like trolling.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: You're not trolling anyone because nobody cares. It's just like whatever.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It was funny for a little bit, and now it's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: just like whatever now you have now you just have
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: to explain it. Be like that's Loco Car. Uh, he
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: does weird ship because he thinks he's trolling people, right, yeah,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: now you just have to explain it to people. I'm
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: trying to think out one of thoes we had ward
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: and in rage. Yeah no, there's no good enraged tokens
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Nope. I still yeah, it's my crappy burgerer token ones.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: And then like the fancy ones from from Luxury are
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: just too big and too expensive in my opinion. Oh
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: they're huge, pretty, but they're way too big, you.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Know, or some stuff that you know is branded with
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: that Vault tour, Vault Tour Roosevelt t shirts, Vault to
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: her Roosevelts. How about just vaults then.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Also just the expense to p I mean, like then
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: they might as well just create up Okay, maybe not
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: T shirts.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: T shirts are tough T shirts.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Create just create a spreadshirt and let people buy whatever
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: they want.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: It's almost like you could gain like this weird digital
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: currency and then go spend it somewhere.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's but then.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: They have to make the digital have to pay have value.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not honestly, I can't do it.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Just too much out there that they didn't create.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I'm actually not even saying for Gigi, just we have
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a great community here. What do you want to see?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Because Marcus went ahead and brought in the sweet patches,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I really like those if there's.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Something going for you.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: But I think if there's something that's of interest, curious,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: get your man for someone who is going to go
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: ahead and win the lottery and play key forge, what
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: what can we go ahead and put because we can
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: make this better ourselves.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: The pins are also worth it very much. So I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: like the pins, I like the patches. I'm trying to think,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: like there's just there's my list. Tokens are all like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: always at the top of my list. I mean expect
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: actually now you have you could have, I mean, you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: could have super cool archived cards that aren't actual cards.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: That kind of frustrates me a little bit that we're saying.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: The big, heavy duty like poker chip things.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, those that that would be a cool thing to have.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: You have prophetic visions now, which is going to have
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the prophecy indicator you've got, Uh, you could have Haunted
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: not Haunted tokens, because we all need one of those.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I would say chain tracker, but they've got not the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: ship ones that we've got a million of that are plastic, like,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: make them heavy duty like they used to be. Not
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: that we use them a ton, but I remember some
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: of the Honor they used to be. So in L
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: five R. You used to have like the Honor trackers
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: and they were big and they were metal and they
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: were heavy duty, and the trackers and Magic right, very
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: similar to that. You could have that, but they've got
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: to be that have not this plastic crap. It's easy
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: to carry around, but it's got to be like a
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: heavy duty type deal.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: I'm totally happy with my plastic one. Yeah, I also
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: never use it. Well yeah, that's I mean I put
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: counters on top of my deck.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: What about it?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Way easier chains as keys. He's like, I have a key,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: I do?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: I just take a random token out of my bin
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I forged.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even matter. It could be a dice. He'd
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: be like, that's my key.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Something that changed. I forged the burger. I definitely forge
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: armor tokens.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Do you forge anything that is not an actual key? No,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: when you're talking, guy, I actually had the question right
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: before that on my mind because going to gen Con,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: they'll have their special die. What about just having a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: simple D six that's set up for the vaults, like,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: so that can be used for determining who's going to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: go first?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Going first?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Easy enough to be able to produce in a quantity
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: that is going to break your bank.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: You really want a pocketful of dice? Pack?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take dice. What gamer doesn't love dice?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: I don't need any more dice. I have lots of dice.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: I've got all kinds of personalized or whatever dice, and
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: they're all enough.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: But I don't care about even aren't they producing? I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: think I feel like we've had this conversation before too.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Aren't they producing? They're producing those pink. Well, they're not pink.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: They're all whatever color you want them to be.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Well, no, they have a brand with those, but I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: don't think they produce them.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You don't think they produce them here?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: No, I think those were all outsourced done. Yeah, I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: don't think they have a plastic extruder.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Alright, I think that would be cool.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: And make something with those.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: I think those little tokens with a tiny VT and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: a date and a map or whatever.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I like it because I like those. I at first
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I wasn't a fan.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Now I'm in love.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I love those things. Those they are great, But it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: kind of one of those like, once you have them,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: you really don't need anymore.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, this is where they got to do them
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: and small enough quantities that they're desirable, and then make
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: them collectible and tradable and then off you go. Oh,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: kirkman man, you can't count on them to provide sleeves
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: you'd want to put your deck in.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've ever used Vault Tour sleeves, they like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: shuffle with sand paper.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they could get dragon shields. But
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: there are even some people who don't like dragon.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Shields or like dragon shields. That's okay.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: What if I take sandpaper and turn it into sleeves?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Would that bother you? Guys?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have some of those right here.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: They have brabnar on them.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I don't use sleeves.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I mean I I don't use sleeve. I haven't used
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: sleeve for sealed unless I'm at a vault tour in years.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: You're not about protection, boys, That's what I'm here and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: got it, you know.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: That's how I got in the situation i'm in.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: You know, But.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Is what it is.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: You win, some you loose, you take just it takes
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: just chances.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I have all of this written down. If I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: win the lottery, you know, I'd love to be able
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: to provide.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why not?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Actually I was looking at crylic printer, like three D printer,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah three D. Well, you have three D printer, you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: have a crylic Actually I was looking at a C
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: and C for being able to go ahead and do
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: some woodwork kind of etching.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I should walk into. I have a cricket machine. I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: don't know why I've never put it to use, probably
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: because the acrylic blade is like one hundre dollars. But
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: I should really take a take a bigger peek into
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: that and see what I can make. I bet I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: can make something. I'll have to take a look ato that.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: But this is all I mean. Again, We've talked about
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: all this so many times. I feel at this point,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I just feel failed.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: If you click on the why to attend a Vault
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Tour thing, it still takes you to the twenty twenty
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: four article where it says twenty twenty four players will
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: get a copy of their duck printed.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: That still hasn't happened.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you haven't gotten a.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, we've really gone rounding round here
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: we had Uh.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got more. I started clicking on things again.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: National Championships, go sign up by you.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Have you found a new favorite boob breddit?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: No? I have not.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: No, I'll let you know you've got any good bootreddits
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: sending them to We only want classy boobs, not raunchy ones. Okay,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how anyone listens to this amazing cast.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Please go check out.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: In the Like past episodes, it's always this kind of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: stuff that pops in there. It's it's never like, oh man,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I really like what you guys had to say about
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: prophetic visions. It's always like immediately after I dropped the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: last episode, it was like d S nine is absolutely
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: the best star Trek ever.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, you guys would all have a task about which
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: star Trek.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now now past episode nothing.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: But you don't believe me, j R. But people don't
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: care about us talking about they writed, listen to us
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: talk about other stupid things and here how dumb we
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: really are?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yep. And now now the only thing that we'll be
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: in there is boom breddits. It'll just be linked to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: boom breddits mm hmm.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: That's not even appropriate for our discord.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we'll see.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for another great cast.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Guess to make sure you watch the mask, send you
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: some links JR.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Nothing but the best though, and they're class text.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Extra class for you. Almost almost boo breddits almost Yeah,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: it's like side boob Yes, yeah, there you go.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: You know, but that's gonna do it for us this week? Uh,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: future updates for the show. What do we got coming up?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: We got our six hundredth episode coming up, right, Jare
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: That is right?
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: And we have a special guest who you will want
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: to hear that is right, a special special guest.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess we don't want to reveal it. We
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: do want to talk about keychain. We might have to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: get one of the keychain guys on. I think dead
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: sinc was in the Yeah, he's in there, so maybe
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: we get dead snc on. I believe he's one of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: the one running keychain, right, we're one of the ones
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: running keychain.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dead sink.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: In the Sloppy lab boys, yep, So maybe we can
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: get dead sinc on talk a little bit about keychains
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: because again, another fantastic community project, community project.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I do look forward to talking about it because
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the work that's already been put in by these guys
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: is amazing. So there's no jokes about it. They've really
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: put in time and effort, and I think it's a
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: going to be a great ope addition for your local setup.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so we're going to talk about those in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the future weeks. Hopefully we can get something set up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: with him. We'll kind of go from there. But with
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: that being said, we'll see you all next week.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: May the Forge be with you.