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The Kenny Report | 22 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight, planes,
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  Speaker 2: trains and automobiles, well actually choppers and private jets. I'll
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  Speaker 2: bring you up to date with the latest controversies, the
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  Speaker 2: critical minerals and rare earth's boom in Australia. What could
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  Speaker 2: possibly go wrong and fall out from the White House?
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  Speaker 2: Is Albo really mates with Trump? Is Kevin Rudd claiming
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  Speaker 2: all the credit? And how has it backfired on? Susan Lee?
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  Speaker 2: And plenty of the wrangle over too with Justin and Denka,
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  Speaker 2: including whoodp be Goldberg frightened that Donald Trump will stick
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  Speaker 2: around forever. Let's get cracking. I'm bringing the show to
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  Speaker 2: you tonight from Melbourne, and I better just let you
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  Speaker 2: know that I traveled here on a standard commercial fixed
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  Speaker 2: wing aircraft. I know that's kind of old fashioned, it
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  Speaker 2: seems in this neck of the woods there's always a
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  Speaker 2: temptation to get the government to stump up for a
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  Speaker 2: chopper flight. We all remember then Speaker Bromwyn Bishop's chopper
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  Speaker 2: flight across Corio Bay to a Liberal Party function. It
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  Speaker 2: created a hell of a downdraft and ended up costing
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  Speaker 2: her the Speaker's job. And now there's another Victorian Choppergate,
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  Speaker 2: the state's new police commissioner, Mike Bush. He's only been
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  Speaker 2: in the job four months and he's from New Zealand,
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  Speaker 2: so he might have missed the Bromwyn Bishop choppergate controversy. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: he decided to take a police chopper all the way
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  Speaker 2: across Bass Strait to Tasmania for a conference, and he
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  Speaker 2: took the current Kiwei police commissioner for the ride.
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  Speaker 3: The owing costs around ten thousand dollars for each hour
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  Speaker 3: it is in the sky, compared to a commercial flight,
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  Speaker 3: which is a few hundred dollars. The Herald Sun reports
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  Speaker 3: there was disbelief among staff who found out about it,
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  Speaker 3: saying the event would have been in the diary for
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  Speaker 3: weeks and in the middle of a major cost cutting program.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a good look.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why stop at Tazzy Perhaps he could have
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  Speaker 2: taken the thing across the Tasman Sea and drop the
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand commissioner. Home Commissioner Bush has apologized.
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  Speaker 5: It was the wrong thing to do. I have apologized
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  Speaker 5: and I will apologize again to Victorians, especially considering what's
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  Speaker 5: going on in terms of the safety of Victorians and
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  Speaker 5: the crime landscape that currently challenges us.
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  Speaker 2: What is it with government funded officials and government funded helicopters.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, take a plane, drive a car. They're both
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  Speaker 2: more comfortable to start with. I don't know how the
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  Speaker 2: police commissioner recovers from this. I mean, crime, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: is a palpable issue in this city and right across Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: and here's the police commissioner busy taking chopper.
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  Speaker 1: Flights across Bass Strait in a police chopper.
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  Speaker 2: Priorities matter, and whatever you say, it's your behavior that
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  Speaker 2: betrays your real priorities.
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  Speaker 1: When you pay good money.
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  Speaker 2: By taxpayers to do a job, just focus on that job,
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  Speaker 2: not on the potential for fringe benefits. And while we're
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  Speaker 2: on aircraft and double standards, how about the climate evangelist
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  Speaker 2: with the private jet. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's become
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a cliche. It's so common that Mike
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  Speaker 2: cannon Brooks, the Atlassian billionaire, is in the news again
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  Speaker 2: because this bloke is a top notch climate campaigner, donating
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  Speaker 2: to climate causes, sprooking climate causes, promoting mind boggling and
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  Speaker 2: so far unsuccessful renewable projects like the sun cable link
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  Speaker 2: to Southeast Asia.
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  Speaker 1: Well, anyway, he's got a private jet.
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  Speaker 2: It is his, but apparently it's cost at Lassian shareholders
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  Speaker 2: five point seven million dollars over the past year to
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  Speaker 2: have him fly around in it. Now, look, they can
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  Speaker 2: sort out those money issues them, so it's their business.
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  Speaker 2: But imagine the carbon footprint. Imagine what this blog is
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  Speaker 2: doing to the planet. Hypocrisy much The fallout from Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's White House meeting yesterday is quite extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was this bit I highlighted yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's doing a really good job and we've
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  Speaker 6: had a very good relationship. I don't want to compare
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  Speaker 6: one with the other, but I'll tell you this one
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  Speaker 6: is they've got a great They really have a great
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  Speaker 6: prime minister.
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  Speaker 7: I'll use it in my ads in twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I pointed out that hypocrisy of that yesterday because Alberanze
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  Speaker 2: has been a Trump critic for years and successfully tied
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition to Trump as a negative at this year's election.
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  Speaker 1: Yet this morning he made it sound like a romance.
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  Speaker 7: You look like you, I think enjoyed the conversation. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 7: we get on and we've had fantastic warm discussions over
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  Speaker 7: the phone. We've talked through issues and I was very
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  Speaker 7: confident that the meeting would go extremely well. I got
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  Speaker 7: a very warm invitation from him and things are good,
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  Speaker 7: and that is in Australia's national interest in the United
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  Speaker 7: States is an important ally and friend.
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  Speaker 2: So they're mates now and these used this as an
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  Speaker 2: election endorsement. Here's a reminder of the lead up to
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  Speaker 2: this year's election where Trump was like Voldemort, the ogre
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  Speaker 2: who should not be named Doogie.
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  Speaker 8: Dutton always takes his instructions, his cues, his policies from
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  Speaker 8: the US. We stand up for Australia's national interest.
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  Speaker 9: Peter Utton's campaign to be Prime Minister is just a
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  Speaker 9: cut and paste from the United States. First he cut
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  Speaker 9: and paste their policies. Now how he's cutting and pasting
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  Speaker 9: their slogans.
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  Speaker 7: The future we want is not an American style wager system,
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  Speaker 7: not American levels of student debt, and never ever American health.
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  Speaker 8: Care meeting economic madness with economic madness taking his cues
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  Speaker 8: straight from the United States. With one Doge disaster after another.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to have the Doge style cuts being taken
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  Speaker 3: right through the public service.
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  Speaker 8: We've got an opposition leader and an opposition which is
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  Speaker 8: absolutely full of these kind of Dogey sicker fans who
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  Speaker 8: have hitched their wagon to American style slogans and policies
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  Speaker 8: and especially cuts which would make Australians worse off.
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  Speaker 3: They thought they could have a Doge style campaign and
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  Speaker 3: that it would work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now Alberanezi is so close to Trump.
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  Speaker 2: He says that he was able to bed down all
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  Speaker 2: the angst of Kevin Rudd's Trump bashing and the backlash
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  Speaker 2: from the President yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yet well the president, so it was as people
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  Speaker 7: were walking out the journeys, President Trump said, oh h yeah.
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  Speaker 7: He said he looks like a good guy or something
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  Speaker 7: like a nice guy. And I say, he's a nice guy.
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  Speaker 7: It's terrific something like that, and he said, oh, all
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  Speaker 7: is forgiven. Kevin said, yeah, well sorry, like it was
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  Speaker 7: just it was no, that sounds like it's a family bark.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: But the pylon against Rudd has caused a few problems
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  Speaker 2: for the opposition leader. Now talk about grabbing the wrong
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  Speaker 2: end of the stick. I mentioned yesterday that while Rudd
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  Speaker 2: was a bad appointment, it was probably too late to
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  Speaker 2: talk about dumping him from Washington.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I don't believe he should stay in that role.
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  Speaker 4: And to see the Prime Minister actually laughing at his
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  Speaker 4: own ambassador in the room when the President made a joke,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's it's untenable.
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  Speaker 2: Then we showed you how former Prime Minister Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 2: gave Rudd a reprieve.
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  Speaker 10: Kevin and I have had our differences, but I think
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  Speaker 10: that he's done a good job for Australia in Washington.
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  Speaker 10: The critical minerals deal is very much a result of
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  Speaker 10: Kevin Rudd's hard work, and good on Kevin for doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Also on this program last night, another liberal front benchure
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  Speaker 2: was a little more circumspect. Do you think that Kevin
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  Speaker 2: Rudd should keep his job as a US ambassador first
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  Speaker 2: up or be brought back home?
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  Speaker 11: If I were the Prime Minister and had to endure that,
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  Speaker 11: and I think he was putting on a bit of
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  Speaker 11: a fake laugh. I suspect he might look at ways
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  Speaker 11: of moving the ambassador on in due course without it
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  Speaker 11: looking like a knee jerk response to what was a
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  Speaker 11: terrible situation.
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  Speaker 2: And today a backbencher went further.
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  Speaker 12: I think though that the call for Kevin Rudd to
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  Speaker 12: resign or stand down. The call for his position to
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  Speaker 12: be untenable now is probably a little bit churlish. The
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  Speaker 12: idea that he would step away from the job now,
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  Speaker 12: I think is.
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  Speaker 13: It wouldn't serve us.
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  Speaker 14: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it was a little bit intemperate for
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  Speaker 3: Susan Lee and others to call for his resignation.
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  Speaker 12: Look, I don't think that there's any need here to
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  Speaker 12: behave in a way that would be considered churlish. We
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  Speaker 12: should be acknowledging the good work that has been done, which.
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  Speaker 2: All tends to leave the opposition leader and her sack
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  Speaker 2: Rudd call sitting out there on her own.
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  Speaker 4: I welcome all the comments from my talented backbench and
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  Speaker 4: I know like me that they are focused on the
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  Speaker 4: real bread and butter issues that matter to our small businesses,
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  Speaker 4: to our households, to our families.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what if Lee got that wrong,
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  Speaker 2: and I think she did, I have to admit that
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  Speaker 2: I got one wrong yesterday too. I said that after
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  Speaker 2: the slapdown from Trump, Rudd might go quiet on social
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  Speaker 2: media for a while, but you can't keep this self
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  Speaker 2: promoted down. Have a look at this Prime minister.
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  Speaker 15: You've had an extraordinary day yesterday the President backing in
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  Speaker 15: Aucus the endorsement of the Critical Minerals and Rare Earth's
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  Speaker 15: Framework agreement between Australia and the United States, which will
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  Speaker 15: be transformational as well as sheer volume of inbound investment.
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  Speaker 2: In this country.
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  Speaker 1: We have no greater alli or a partner in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Who's a great day in terms of the Alliance.
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  Speaker 1: Please stand together.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a fantastic visit, I've got to say, and
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  Speaker 7: I am overwhelmed by the extraordinary turnout which is here today.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It seems Kevin Rudd has saved the Alliance single handedly.
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  Speaker 2: He's from Queensland and he's here to save the day.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait for the next edition of his autobiography.
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  Speaker 2: One of the central foreign policy areas where Anthony Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: has made the wrong call and broken with the United
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  Speaker 2: States is over support for Israel. Albanesi and Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong have changed Australia's stance at the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: Where we used to mainly vote with Israel and the
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  Speaker 2: US on the many motions condemning Israel. Now Australia has
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  Speaker 2: started voting against the US and Israeli position and we've
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  Speaker 2: even recognized the non existent state of Palestine, which is exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Why I found these comments from Albanesi full of.
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  Speaker 7: Futspart I did speak with the Secretary about the Gaza
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  Speaker 7: peace Plan and how it's rolling out. I'm not in
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  Speaker 7: a position to go into that detail for obvious reasons,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, we're very supportive of the role that
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  Speaker 7: the United States is paying there.
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  Speaker 2: Fancy that, hey, Albanese now supports the US and Israeli
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  Speaker 2: peace plan as if he was behind them all along.
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  Speaker 2: Only they forced Hummas to surrender because they kept going
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  Speaker 2: after Humas, and all the while Albanizi criticized those efforts
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  Speaker 2: for month after month after month. Albanesi and Wong called
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  Speaker 2: for cease fires, and if they'd been heeded those calls
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  Speaker 2: when they were made, Yaya Sinwa would still be running
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  Speaker 2: a massive Hummus terrorist army in Gaza to the teeth,
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  Speaker 2: terrorizing Ghazans and threatening Israel. Hezbella terrorists and their armory
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  Speaker 2: would still be terrorizing Israel from the north, and Iran
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  Speaker 2: would not only still be firing missiles at Israel and
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  Speaker 2: supporting Humas, but it might have had nuclear weapons by now.
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  Speaker 2: On Middle East policy ALBANIZI should have taken a leaf
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  Speaker 2: out of Kevin Rudd's book and apologized for getting it
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  Speaker 2: so horribly wrong. And just on this I want to
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  Speaker 2: share with you a long, eash section of comments made
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  Speaker 2: by a former Middle East based journalist. This is Matt Friedman,
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  Speaker 2: a former Associated Press journalist, and as from an event
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  Speaker 2: held a few months back that I've just caught up on.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a brilliant exposiah what I've been telling you
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  Speaker 2: for the past two years, and that is that most
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  Speaker 2: of the media coverage of the Gaza conflict that you
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  Speaker 2: see is just Hamas propaganda.
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  Speaker 16: As far as I know, I was the first staffer
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  Speaker 16: to erase information from the story because we were threatened
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  Speaker 16: by Hamas, which happened at the very end of two
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  Speaker 16: thousand and eight. We had a great reporter in Gaza,
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  Speaker 16: Palestinian who had always been really an excellent reporter. We
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  Speaker 16: had a detail in a story.
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  Speaker 2: The detail was a crucial one.
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  Speaker 16: It was that Hamas fighters were dressed as civilians and
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  Speaker 16: were being counted as civilians and the death tour. An
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  Speaker 16: important thing to know that went out in an ap story.
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  Speaker 16: The reporter called me a few hours later. It was
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  Speaker 16: clear that someone had spoken to him, and he told
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  Speaker 16: me I was on the desk injurious line. So I
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  Speaker 16: was kind of writing the story from the main bureau
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  Speaker 16: in Jerusalem, and he said, MATI have to take that
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  Speaker 16: detail out of the story, and it was clear that
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  Speaker 16: someone had threatened him.
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  Speaker 1: I took the detail out of the story.
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  Speaker 16: I suggested to our editors that we note in an
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  Speaker 16: editor's note that we were now complying with Hamas censorship.
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  Speaker 16: I was overruled, and from that point in time, the AP,
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  Speaker 16: like all of it'sist organizations, collaborates with Hamas censorship in Gaza.
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  Speaker 16: What does that mean? You'll see a lot of dead
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  Speaker 16: civilians and you won't see dead militants. You won't have
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  Speaker 16: a clear idea of what Hamas military strategy is. And
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  Speaker 16: this is the kicker. The center of the coverage will
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  Speaker 16: be a number, a casualty number that is provided to
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  Speaker 16: the press by something called the Gaza Health Ministry, which
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  Speaker 16: is Hamas. And we've been doing that since two thousand
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  Speaker 16: and eight. And it's a way of basically settling the
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  Speaker 16: story before you get into any other information. Because when
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  Speaker 16: you put you know, when you say fifty fifty Palasanians
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  Speaker 16: were killed and one Israeli on a given day. You know,
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  Speaker 16: it doesn't matter what else you say. The numbers kind
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  Speaker 16: of tell their own story, and it's a way of
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  Speaker 16: kind of settling the story with something that sounds like
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  Speaker 16: a concrete statistic. And the statistic is being given to
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  Speaker 16: us by one of the combatant sides. But because the
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  Speaker 16: reporters sympathize with that side, they're happy to they're happy
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  Speaker 16: to play along. So since two thousand and eight, certainly
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  Speaker 16: since twenty fourteen, when we had another serious war in Gaza,
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  Speaker 16: the press has not been covering in Gaza. The press
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  Speaker 16: has been essentially an amplifier for one of the most
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  Speaker 16: poisonous ideologies on Earth. Jumas has figured out how to
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  Speaker 16: make the press amplify its messaging rather than covering Hamas.
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  Speaker 16: There are no Western reporters in Gaza. All of the
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  Speaker 16: reporters in Gaza are Palestinians, and those people fall into
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  Speaker 16: three categories. Some of them identify with Hamas, some of
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  Speaker 16: them are intimidated by Hamas and won't cross UMAs, which
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  Speaker 16: makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't want to cross
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  Speaker 16: Humas either. And the third category is people who actually
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  Speaker 16: belong to Hamas. That's where the information from Gaza is
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  Speaker 16: coming from. And if you're a credulous then of course
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  Speaker 16: you're going to get a story that makes Israel look
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  Speaker 16: pretty bad.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that's a brilliant and practical insight there from someone
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  Speaker 2: at the coal face. The media has much to answer
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  Speaker 2: for over this conflict, how it's been covered and how
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  Speaker 2: that has impacted on anti Semitism and political responses around
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  Speaker 2: the world. And mark my words, most media will fiercely
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  Speaker 2: resist any accountability on this. Now, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: bring you some breaking news when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East conflict, and the Australian government has put out
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  Speaker 2: a statement now about an ADF contribution to Civil Military
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  Speaker 2: Coordination Center and it says that Australia welcomes the Israel
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  Speaker 2: HUMA seesfire and the agreement to President Trump's peace Plan,
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  Speaker 2: and it says that as part of that, Australia was
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  Speaker 2: asked to contribute and the US invited partner nations including Australia,
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  Speaker 2: to participate in this. This is a defense media statement.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not reading from a minister, but from defense media,
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  Speaker 2: and in responding to the request, the Australian government has
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  Speaker 2: agreed to provide a liaison officer to the CMCC, that is,
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  Speaker 2: the Civil Military Coordination Center. So Australia will be involved
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  Speaker 2: in a contribution to the Middle East peace plan, but
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  Speaker 2: with one liaison officer. Let's go to Pauline Hanson, now
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  Speaker 2: the One Nation leader. She joins us from Hobart. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining us, Pauline. First up, your reaction to that
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  Speaker 2: breaking news. It seems significant that Australia would have any
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  Speaker 2: involvement in the peace plan for Gaza, but one liaison
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  Speaker 2: officer sounds like the minimal possible contribution.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to know what we were asked to.
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  Speaker 13: Contribute exactly, right, Chris, I'm amazed by it this first time,
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  Speaker 13: and I've heard about this, So anyway, one liaison officer.
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  Speaker 13: I hope they're not over there lining them up to
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  Speaker 13: actually sign them up to bring them back out here
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  Speaker 13: to Australia. So I hope it is just if they
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  Speaker 13: want to keep an eye on it. It's been asked
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  Speaker 13: by the Trump administration to be part of it. I
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  Speaker 13: think it's miniscule. I think it's a nothing thing. So anyway,
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  Speaker 13: my opinion is we shouldn't be getting involved over there.
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  Speaker 13: I don't want to see any military personnel or anyone
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  Speaker 13: peacekeepers over there from Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I'll ask a for my Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer what
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  Speaker 2: he thinks about this in a moment. But Pauline, I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you more about domestic issues and Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 2: When's the last time you spoke to him and how
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  Speaker 2: close are you to getting him on board with one Nation.
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  Speaker 13: I spoke to him last Sunday, I think it was Sunday, Yeah,
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  Speaker 13: Saturday or Sunday was so we had a phone hook
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  Speaker 13: cup after all this hit the media and you know
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  Speaker 13: saying that he's going to come across and be leader
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  Speaker 13: of the party. It's not going to happen, Chris. He's
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  Speaker 13: not going to be Leader of the Party. So that's
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  Speaker 13: totally out of the question. The fact is that before
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  Speaker 13: that I spoke to him the last sitting of Parliament.
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  Speaker 13: So it's been about six six weeks ago since the
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  Speaker 13: last spoke to him. So anyway, the decision I've made
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  Speaker 13: the offer to Barnaby, I know is just scruntled with
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  Speaker 13: the National Party. I know he's passionate about getting rid
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  Speaker 13: of Net zero. He's introduced his Bill of Parliament. He
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  Speaker 13: doesn't expect to get support. And I'm telling you the
• 19:13
  Speaker 13: Nats are being dragged along with this because they know
• 19:15
  Speaker 13: they're in dire straits with Barnaby considering walking by the
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: members of their party wanting to walk because they're fed
• 19:20
  Speaker 13: up with net zero. The Coalition will not go along
• 19:23
  Speaker 13: with it. So it's going to be interesting how this unfolds.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: If Barnaby wanted to stay in politics, obviously One Nation
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: would be a pretty good fit. A senator for New
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: South Wales would would help you and would probably be
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: doable for him. Is there any other option? Have you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: discussed the possibility of Lower House seats or the Queensland Senate.
• 19:45
  Speaker 13: No, not at all, Chris. The fact is he's not
• 19:49
  Speaker 13: even a member of the party. He has to make
• 19:51
  Speaker 13: that choice himself to finally make the decision. Is he
• 19:53
  Speaker 13: going to come across the One Nation? He did want
• 19:55
  Speaker 13: to see if he got his bill up in the Parliament,
• 19:58
  Speaker 13: which you know it's hasn't been debated yet, and it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 13: quite interesting to see where this is going to go.
• 20:04
  Speaker 13: So anyway, just put people's fears. One woman said to
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: me today on the plane. She said, it's great that
• 20:11
  Speaker 13: Barnaby has come across, but please do not make him leader.
• 20:14
  Speaker 13: You have to be there. So that was nice to hear,
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: but it's about it.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It's nice to hear, but people are thinking about what
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: would happen when you retire. At some stage you have
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to retire, Pauline, but at some stage one nation party,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: at some stage someone has to let it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: Totally agree with you, Chris, I'm not that stupid. I'm
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: not that. I haven't got an ego that big. My
• 20:38
  Speaker 13: attitude is if someone can do a better job than
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: I can, fair enough, and to do it. But don't
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: write me off at the moment.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: No, no one's writing you off.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting that Barnaby would be a significant enough
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: figure to carry on that load after you retired if
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: he did come across.
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: Right, Well, it's all open, isn't it. So whoever proves
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: themselves and it can make a good leader for the
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: party and make sure that we're getting our policies and
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: what we want to do for the Australian people and
• 21:07
  Speaker 13: represent them and make the other two political parties accountable.
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: That's all, Chris, that's all down the track, Okay. I'm
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: not here having a discussion about.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: All right, well, all right, well, what's a bit closer
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is the Coalition and the Liberals having meetings to try
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and bed down their zero, their climate and energy policy.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Do you think that depending on how that goes, it
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: might shake out a few more defectors from those parties.
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: Look, isn't it funny that Susan Lee said that would
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: be about twelve months down the track after the election. Well,
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: we'd forced their hand to have that meeting now to
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: see where is the lay of the land as far
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: as their energy policy and net zero. Now, I am
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: really not impressed with Susan Lee who says, look, I'm
• 21:51
  Speaker 13: not going to turn up the meeting, Chris. I went
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: to the meeting prior to the last election to meet
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: with their advisors and policy direction. I actually was the
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: instrumental in giving them my input into policy. She'd they're
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: on a real issue now with possibly members of the Park,
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: Colish and walk Away, and she can't even go there
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: to listen to their concerns and look at a policy
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: direction where they want to move forward. So she's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: failure here as far as the leader.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us again, Pauline. I appreciate it,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson, they're one nation leader joining us live from Hobart.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I want to go now to Sydney and catch up
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: with a former opposition a former well he was former
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: opposition leader actually, but also former foreign minister, Australia's longest
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: serving foreign minister, Alexander Downer. And Alexander, I want to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: get you on the hop here because of this breaking news.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: We've had a defense announcement that as part of its
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: peace plan, the US is setting up a Central Command,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: is setting up the Civil Military Coordination Center in Israel
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to support stabilization efforts, and the Defense forces in Australia
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: have announced that to a request from the US, we
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: are sending one liaison officer.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: This is an announcement from Defense, not from the government.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Does this strike you as a worthwhile contribution and the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: right way to announce it?
• 23:15
  Speaker 17: Well, it's just symbolic, isn't it. It's a position of
• 23:19
  Speaker 17: no substance, so anybody can see that. So the symbolism
• 23:25
  Speaker 17: is that now we support the Trump Plan and the
• 23:29
  Speaker 17: peace process is put in train. That's fine, I mean
• 23:33
  Speaker 17: I don't have a problem with that, but the fact
• 23:36
  Speaker 17: that we would send one person one liaison person and
• 23:41
  Speaker 17: that's all her or his job will be. Liaison is
• 23:46
  Speaker 17: not really a contribution that amounts to anything, really, it's
• 23:51
  Speaker 17: just symbolic.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Is it a bit odd that we haven't heard this
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister while he was in the US
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: or from the Defense Minister in Australia. Even though it's
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: only one person, it's a significant event because it plays
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Australia into a peace plan that has been a central
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: topic of their discussions in the US.
• 24:12
  Speaker 17: Of course, well, I'll give the Prime Minister credit for
• 24:18
  Speaker 17: being incredibly, incredibly cunning politically, and it's cunning to go
• 24:24
  Speaker 17: along and support this plan, but not to make any
• 24:28
  Speaker 17: serious contribution to it. So one liaison officer. But if
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: the Prime Minister were to announce one liaison officer would
• 24:39
  Speaker 17: be part of this coordination team, then that would open
• 24:43
  Speaker 17: him to ridicule. So the best way to do it
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: is through somebody in Defense communications. Exactly as they have
• 24:52
  Speaker 17: done it. They continue to impress me with the cunning
• 24:56
  Speaker 17: of their politics, if not the substance of what they
• 24:59
  Speaker 17: are actually do because this isn't a decision of any
• 25:04
  Speaker 17: substance obviously.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, because I want to get onto another issue.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But just you would give Anthony Albanezia past Mark shurely
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: for meeting with Trump and getting those commitments to ORCUS
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and to the critical minerals deal.
• 25:21
  Speaker 17: Yes, of course, I mean the Orcus commitment was always
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: going to happen because there are three parties that were August,
• 25:28
  Speaker 17: not two.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: There's the UK.
• 25:30
  Speaker 17: And Starmer has the British Prime Minister has built a
• 25:34
  Speaker 17: very good relationship with Trump and obviously the British have
• 25:37
  Speaker 17: secured the continuation of ORCUS and persuaded Trump of the
• 25:42
  Speaker 17: value of it. So we've come in many months later
• 25:47
  Speaker 17: on the tale of Sekre, Starmer and critical Minerals. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 17: mean they've been working government departments have been working on
• 25:56
  Speaker 17: that for quite some time now, and it's very well come.
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: It makes very good sense. And the timing was x
• 26:03
  Speaker 17: was it because the Chinese have just introduced this regulation
• 26:08
  Speaker 17: of their exports of critical minerals and so where a
• 26:13
  Speaker 17: good alternative we and countries like Argentina and Chili.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Now, the bigger global story when it comes to President
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Trump is the news that the Trump Putin Summit has collapsed.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: It won't be going ahead. Here's what President Donald Trump said.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: I don't want to have a wasted meeting. I don't
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: want to have a wasted times.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: So I'll see what happens.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I said, go to the line, go to the line
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of battle, on.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: The battlefield lines, and you pull back and you go home,
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: and everybody takes some time off because you got two
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: countries that are killing each other, two countries are losing
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: five to seven thousand soldiers a week.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Alexander Downer, this is a real setback for peace in Ukraine,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: isn't it?
• 27:00
  Speaker 17: It is, yes, and it comes after a phone hook
• 27:04
  Speaker 17: up between Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 17: Serge Lover of the Russian Borough Minister, where Lavroj just
• 27:14
  Speaker 17: repeated the mantra of the Russians at which they've been
• 27:18
  Speaker 17: repeating for a couple of years now about Nazis in Ukraine.
• 27:23
  Speaker 17: So Trump has made the right call. The summit should
• 27:28
  Speaker 17: not go ahead until there's a real prospect of a breakthrough,
• 27:33
  Speaker 17: and the only hope of that is to pile still
• 27:36
  Speaker 17: more pressure on the Russians. So Trump will have to
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: go back and consider whether he'll provide Tomahawk cruise missiles
• 27:44
  Speaker 17: to the Ukrainians at least some of those cruise missiles
• 27:52
  Speaker 17: and look, I think importantly persuading the Europeans to confiscate
• 27:57
  Speaker 17: those Russian reserves which are about something like three hundred
• 28:01
  Speaker 17: billion dollars worth of reserves which are being held in Europe.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Alexander Downer, thanks again.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you next week. Got to get
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to a break.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll catch up with the Liberal
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: senator Dave Sharma and find out what the opposition makes
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: of this news breaking commitment to the peace plan in
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the Middle East.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Also get him on the net zero debate.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get some immediate opposition reaction to this
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: breaking news about Australia's commitment to a peace plan in
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the Middle East. Joining me now from Sydney is Dave Sharma.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: He's the Shadow Assistant Minister for Treasury. He's also, as
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know, was a.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Former Australian Ambassador to Israel. Thanks for joining us, Dave.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You might not have caught up on this news. It's
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: only just been announced, but the ADF say they are
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: asked by the US Central Command to support the Civil
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Military Coordination Center that's going to be set up in
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Israel to support stabilization efforts in Gaza, and Australia has
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: responded that the Defense Forces will send one liaison officer.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Shaw Me about your response to that announcement and.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Whether the opposition would support it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 18: Well, I'd say I think it's important that Australia plays
• 29:20
  Speaker 18: a role in a stabilization of that part of the world,
• 29:23
  Speaker 18: and historically we have done so, whether it's troops in
• 29:25
  Speaker 18: the Sinai, people in Lebanon, people on the Goal and Heights.
• 29:29
  Speaker 18: The ADF has played a role there. Never mind, the
• 29:32
  Speaker 18: fight against isis about a decade ago. I would say
• 29:37
  Speaker 18: a contribution to one person those strikes me as quite
• 29:40
  Speaker 18: small and quite insignificant. I don't know what the US
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: request was, but to me, I mean I'm in the
• 29:48
  Speaker 18: terms I understand it. I think I would be in
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: principle supportive, but I would think that Australia could play
• 29:53
  Speaker 18: a more meaningful contribution towards an international effort to stabilize
• 29:59
  Speaker 18: and help Gaza recover.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the question.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: But I'd agree with you if something's going to happen
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: in Australia's going to be involved in some way, it's
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the minimal possible contribution. But the other aspect of this
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is why the government wouldn't announce it. Why we wouldn't
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: hear from the Defense Minister or the Prime Minister, given
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he was discussing these very issues in Washington in the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: past forty eight hours.
• 30:25
  Speaker 18: Well, yes, I am surprised, because clearly this would have
• 30:27
  Speaker 18: come up in Washington, either in the Promister's meeting with Trump,
• 30:30
  Speaker 18: or his meeting and subsequent dinner with Marco Rubio, or
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: a presuming met the Defense Secretary as well Pete hasget
• 30:36
  Speaker 18: So clearly this would have been discussed and it normally
• 30:39
  Speaker 18: would have been part of the would have been announced
• 30:41
  Speaker 18: by the Prime Minister as part of the outcomes of
• 30:43
  Speaker 18: that visit. So it's not clear to me why it's
• 30:46
  Speaker 18: been handled this way. It's a little irregular. It reminds
• 30:50
  Speaker 18: me somewhat of when the Biden administration asked Australia to
• 30:53
  Speaker 18: contribute to the Anti Houthy anti piracy task Force in
• 30:56
  Speaker 18: the Red Sea and the Albaneze government refused, and then
• 30:59
  Speaker 18: I think we ended up sending one or two embedded
• 31:02
  Speaker 18: liaison officers, again a tokenistic contribution. So I'd like to
• 31:06
  Speaker 18: see the government properly explain this decision, what the role
• 31:09
  Speaker 18: will be, what was asked of us, and what are
• 31:12
  Speaker 18: the contributions they envisaged us making.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly well.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: One of the men who was in the room with
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberizi at the White House was the Vice President JD. Vance.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: He's now on his way to the Middle East to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: try and bed down the concerns there, of course about
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the ceasefire holding because of a fire coming from both
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Hummas and Israeli forces against Humus.
• 31:37
  Speaker 19: Have a look, every time that there is an act
• 31:39
  Speaker 19: of violence, there's this inclination to say, oh, this is
• 31:42
  Speaker 19: the end of the ceasefire, this is the end of
• 31:44
  Speaker 19: the peace plan. It's not the end. It is in
• 31:46
  Speaker 19: fact exactly how this is going to have to happen
• 31:49
  Speaker 19: when you have people who hate each other, who have
• 31:51
  Speaker 19: been fighting against each other for a very long time.
• 31:54
  Speaker 19: We are doing very well. We're in a very good place.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jdvan, it's in Israel already. He got there quickly.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: How what's your latest reading on the cease fire? Dave?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Was never going to be smooth and easy. But is
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it holding up strongly enough or should we be worried?
• 32:15
  Speaker 18: Look, there's certainly no cause to be complacent, but I
• 32:18
  Speaker 18: also don't think there's any cause for alarm. I mean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 18: I think the fact that the US is so heavily
• 32:23
  Speaker 18: invested in this, and the fact that Jade Vans is
• 32:25
  Speaker 18: going the vice president is a good sign of their
• 32:27
  Speaker 18: ongoing interest in this. That's important. But also the fact
• 32:31
  Speaker 18: that the entirety of the Arab world, including Hamasa's patrons
• 32:35
  Speaker 18: and sponsors, Katar, Turkey, Egypt and the rest of the
• 32:38
  Speaker 18: Arab world plus Israel are behind this, I think means
• 32:42
  Speaker 18: that everyone has invested in their success. So yes, there
• 32:45
  Speaker 18: will be frictions and breakouts and I you know, possibly
• 32:48
  Speaker 18: other exchange of fire incidance like we've seen, but I
• 32:52
  Speaker 18: think the kind of strategic underpinnings of this agreement remained strong.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Back in Australia.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Disagreement in the coalition exists, of course around climate and
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: energy policy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a big meeting, a three.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Hour round table next week, what was it later this week.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I have to check that with you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: At a moment, I want to show first up what
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee has said to say has had to say
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: She's not going, but is what she had to say.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I'm working with the group of dedicated colleagues that's led
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: by Dan Teyan, who is our shadow Energy Minister. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: there's at least three policy meetings coming up in the calendar,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: all with respect to developing an energy policy that has
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: two fundamentals, that we deliver a stable, reliable grid to
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: provide affordable energy for households and businesses, and that we
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: do play our role in reducing emissions internationally.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that meeting will be in Canberra Friday week when
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: all the MP's are back in Canberra and Dave Shama
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: lots of talking, lots of words there. Bottom line is
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: do you sign up to net zero or not? Well, Look, I.
• 34:01
  Speaker 18: Think firstly, look, the point of the meaning is for
• 34:03
  Speaker 18: everyone to express their view. This is how policy development works.
• 34:07
  Speaker 18: People have views, political perspectives, policy interests, and Dan and
• 34:12
  Speaker 18: Susan and the rest of the Shadow cabinet needs to
• 34:15
  Speaker 18: hear those and discuss those. Look, I'm not sure it's
• 34:18
  Speaker 18: so binaries as being portrayed there. I think, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 18: I would like to see our emissions come down, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: I don't want it to be at the expense of
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: higher energy prices or uncompetitive manufacturing, or if the rest
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: of the world isn't doing their part either. And so
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: I think with none of these things, can it be
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: said and forget it was a coalition government that signed
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: up to net zero. I accept though that the world
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: has changed somewhat, the feasibility that goal has changed somewhat,
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: and it's right that we revisit it. But I think,
• 34:47
  Speaker 18: you know, I don't think we should be coming out
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: with a policy that either says we're for or against necessarily.
• 34:51
  Speaker 18: I think we need to be coming out with a
• 34:52
  Speaker 18: policy that will lower prices, increase the supply of gas,
• 34:56
  Speaker 18: and lower emissions, and not one of those particular priorities
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: should do you know, take dominance over any other.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Binary is so old fashioned these days in so many areas.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But you are dead right. It's a complex area.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But that target, the thing about twenty fifty is it
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: can't be done anyway, So why sign up to a
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: target that actually can't be achieved. Great to talk to
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: you again, Dave. I appreciate it, Dave Shama. They're alive
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in Sydney. I'm bringing the show to you tonight from Melbourne.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: We're going to have another break on the other side.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Much to wrangle over with Justin Smith and Denika de Georgio.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Whoopee gold Berger, among other things.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: She's frightened apparently that Donald Trump will stick around forever. Well.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: All the talk when it comes to Australia's economic development
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: out of that White House meeting yesterday is of course
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: around critical minerals and rare earth. So I wanted to
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: find out more about this so called mining boom, the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: new boom that's coming our way. So I want to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: welcome the New South Wales Minerals Council Cego Stephen Galilees,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Steven.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Is is this real? We hear a lot of talk
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: about government subsidies trying to boost all sorts of industries.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Is there investment ready to go?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Here?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Are the minerals there and obviously the demand.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: There for them?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Is this going to be a bit of a game changer?
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, we have the minerals. We certainly have the minerals,
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: and we have plenty of them in New South Wales
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: as well. There are projects ready to go in New
• 36:21
  Speaker 14: South Wales. We have seven in the planning pipeline right now,
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: potentially over four billion dollars of investment in three and
• 36:28
  Speaker 14: a half thousand jobs and three of those projects are
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: investor ready looking for the money, and one of them
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: in particular has been part of the discussions that have
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: been occurring. But Chris, my question is the governments will
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: put some money in, they'll take debt and equity positions.
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: That's great. The other part of the promise that's the
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: most important is the promise to streamline approvals and make
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: things more efficient in relation to planning assessment, to remove
• 36:56
  Speaker 14: that red and green tape, and to remove the duplication
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: we see at state and federal government level. So we've
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: had that promise at White House as well. That's almost
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: a very hard promise to keep. We've heard it from
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: governments over the years many many times. Unless they can
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: keep that promise, it's going to be very hard to
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: get these projects into operation.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that is a critical worry.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Of course, Anthony Albanezi and Donald Trump will talking all
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: this up yesterday.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 7: My government is making our critical mineral sector one of
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: the biggest in the world. Australia will reap the benefits
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: of that growth. Australia and the United States will utilize
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: these critical minerals together and in our combined national.
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: Interests in about a year from now, we'll have so
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: much critical mineral and Rarer said, you will know what
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: to do with them.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It just makes me wonder Stephen, whether Donald Trump understands
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the environmental approval laws in Australia or the way.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: You can have a wayward an unknown indigit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: His claim come at the last moment, conflicting with other
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: indigenous Indigenous consultation and projects are stymied. I mean, great,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: get it going, but you can't do this stuff quickly
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in Australia.
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: Now when the Prime Minister comes back to Parliament to
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: apparently deal with the reforms to the EPBC Act, which
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: potentially going to make things worse.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: We hope not.
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: But that's another big trans of reforms that duplicate state
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: government processes too. And let's not forget Chris, most of
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: this is about national security. The thirty one of those
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: thirty one critical minerals on the federal government's list have
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: military applications. And that's why this agreement was signed by
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: Donald Trump. It wasn't to generate more wind turbines or
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: solar panels or batteries for renewable energy. It's for our
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: national security and for the national security of our allies,
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: and that's why it's even more important to get these projects.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Underway absolutely get cracking. The other thing that really interests
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: me is whether we can get processing here, not just
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: dig the stuff out and ship it out, but actually
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: process and.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Add value here in Australia. Any potential there.
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: Is potential, but what is often overlooked in relation to
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: the processing itself is its very energy intensive. Chris, So
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: you need reliable and affordable energy and we're seeing heavy
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: manufacturing and other industries shut down in this country because
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: they can't get access to that. So let's hope this
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: is not just a pipe dream and we're going to
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: see affordable, unreliable energy in the future, but that's going
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: to need a major reset of our energy policy.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. Thanks for joining u, Stephen, appreciate it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Stephen Galilee there from the New South Wales Minerals Council.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: All comes back to in our society, in a modern society,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: in a modern economy, but then comes back to cheap, affordable,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: reliable energy, and we've got to make that a number
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: one priority. Let's get into the Wednesday rangele Now, Denika,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the Georgio Sky News host, joins us from Sydney. I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne this week, so I get to see Justin Smith,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the man about Melbourne in the flesh. Great to have you,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: great to be a milltown, madean thank you, and look
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: at this one of my Melbourne based sons.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Make sure I've got to have laid crows.
• 40:01
  Speaker 20: Well, marg even though I think I can fix that
• 40:03
  Speaker 20: because I got your little present mate, a little bit
• 40:08
  Speaker 20: of a welcome to Melbourne here, so when you're here,
• 40:11
  Speaker 20: you've got a decent cup to drink out the.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Tiger Risman Tigers. There you go.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Well, my boys play for the more Park Tigers, so
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: we're into the Tigers. Now let's start in Melbourne. Because
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I opened the program, I think it's such a cracking story.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Justin the police commissioner jumping on a police shopper to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: go to Tasmania.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: There's no common sense here. There's a crime crisis.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: What's he doing.
• 40:36
  Speaker 20: I actually couldn't believe this when I saw it on
• 40:38
  Speaker 20: the front page of the paper. I had to read
• 40:39
  Speaker 20: it a couple of times. The lack of judgment is extraordinary.
• 40:44
  Speaker 20: In Victoria, we have been sacking public servants. We've been
• 40:50
  Speaker 20: told that we've got a tight now beltcewhere we're told
• 40:53
  Speaker 20: that money is incredibly tight, and yet to see just
• 40:58
  Speaker 20: the fact that anybody didn't pull him up and say, hey, listen,
• 41:04
  Speaker 20: this is a really bad look. Let's just hop on
• 41:06
  Speaker 20: a virgin flight and we'll be there. You know, we'll
• 41:08
  Speaker 20: have a bag of peanuts and we'll be there before
• 41:09
  Speaker 20: you know it. The fact that that didn't happen is
• 41:12
  Speaker 20: just it blows me away.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: And it's not just the money, is it, Danika, Because
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: this is an important resource for the police force, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: it ended up the chopper because of inclement weather to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: stay overnight in Hober.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, what if it had been needed for something else. Well,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that's it.
• 41:28
  Speaker 21: I mean the police commissioner said, oh, well, we had
• 41:30
  Speaker 21: two additional choppers on the ground, so no, there wasn't
• 41:33
  Speaker 21: a lack of resources. It doesn't matter. This is an
• 41:36
  Speaker 21: absolute shocker. In the middle of a crime crisis. A
• 41:39
  Speaker 21: few weeks ago, a woman is stabbed in the middle
• 41:41
  Speaker 21: of the CBD. Last week, a bloke is allegedly holding
• 41:45
  Speaker 21: a pistol up to police.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Day in, day out.
• 41:47
  Speaker 21: You've got carjackings, you've got thefts, you've got home invasions,
• 41:51
  Speaker 21: you've got kids being killed and the police commissioner thinks
• 41:54
  Speaker 21: it's a great idea to get on a chopper to
• 41:56
  Speaker 21: go from Melbourne to Tasmania, but that is used to
• 42:00
  Speaker 21: actually fight this crime. In the middle of all this,
• 42:03
  Speaker 21: you've got just into Alan saying that the CBD is safe.
• 42:06
  Speaker 21: What on earth, Chris is going on in Victoria. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 21: feel sorry for every day Laura abiding Victorians who have
• 42:12
  Speaker 21: had a gutfull of this nonsense and nothing has been
• 42:15
  Speaker 21: done about it. A shocking look for the commissioner. I
• 42:17
  Speaker 21: don't know how he can come back from this, to
• 42:19
  Speaker 21: be honest.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon It's going to hang over him forever.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: In the day.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: The public will will be very skeptical about him because
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: of this first impressions. County Justin, you're a bit of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a climate campaign.
• 42:32
  Speaker 20: You want to save the planet. Have you got a
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: private jet? Letsten take it easier. I just brought you
• 42:36
  Speaker 20: a cup mate. I think you're on carbo.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Let's.
• 42:42
  Speaker 20: I hadn't thought about the climate implications. I was just
• 42:46
  Speaker 20: worried about the appalling look.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm talking about it because Mike cannon Brooks
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: in a related still not related story, but it's related
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: because of aircraft.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: He's got this private jet.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's costed at Lassian shareholders five point seven million dollars.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: That's their business, how they arrange the finances.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But the hypocrisy you're flying around the private jet when
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to be saving the planet.
• 43:07
  Speaker 20: Well you're not going to get a find out of me.
• 43:09
  Speaker 20: You don't have because I don't have a private jet.
• 43:11
  Speaker 20: But so I think, you know my politics are a
• 43:14
  Speaker 20: few less private jets would be fine with me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's staggering, isn't it. It's become so common, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: with the Leonardo DiCaprio's and the rest of them, that
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: it's a cliche. But yes, you've got to point it out.
• 43:30
  Speaker 21: Well, they're all holier than thou, aren't they, Chris. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 21: you know the funniest part out of all of this
• 43:35
  Speaker 21: is Chris Bowen wants to hold the cop Climate conference
• 43:39
  Speaker 21: here in Australia and in the next couple of years,
• 43:42
  Speaker 21: and what we're going to have all of these billionaires
• 43:44
  Speaker 21: flying in on their private jets to what discussed the
• 43:48
  Speaker 21: how bad the private jets are. You know, it's just
• 43:51
  Speaker 21: such hypocrisy from these billionaires time and time again. But
• 43:55
  Speaker 21: you're right, Leonardo Dicapro is the prime suspect in my
• 43:59
  Speaker 21: view in all of this.
• 44:00
  Speaker 20: When was the last time he was on the gym?
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: When's the last time there's a documented sighting of Leonardo
• 44:04
  Speaker 20: DiCaprio to or let's.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Keep a learning boat. I can't wait for copy that like.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Stot news camera, that light airport filming, the hold coming
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in fantastic. Let's get back to the Whitehouse and look
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: at some of the shenanigans and that unfollowed there between
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanez and Donald Trump.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Here you go.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: I don't know anything about him. And if he said bad,
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: then maybe he'll like to apologize. I really don't know
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: an ambassador to say something bad about it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Don't tell me where is he?
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: Is he still working for Yeah, you said bad.
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: Before I took his positions to prison.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: But I don't like you either. I don't and probably
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: never will know that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: No, it never gets old.
• 44:54
  Speaker 20: Justin I love the way running on the loop for
• 44:57
  Speaker 20: the last twenty four hours.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: There he is. I don't think rud could. I don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: think Trump could believe that you'd still employ him after
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: he's been mean to me.
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: One of the great things, one of the great things
• 45:08
  Speaker 20: about Trump is that you are really only one You're
• 45:13
  Speaker 20: only one compliment away, one suck up away from things
• 45:16
  Speaker 20: being okay again. So you just say to the President,
• 45:18
  Speaker 20: you look good today. All the forgiven he was surrounded
• 45:21
  Speaker 20: at that cabinet table, he was surrounded by people who
• 45:23
  Speaker 20: have said nasty things about him. Before he does get
• 45:26
  Speaker 20: over these things, the Orange Prince, as.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Long as you come bowing and scraping afterwards. And that's
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: a good point about the substantial nature of the meeting.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Deniker. I was pretty impressed by who he had at
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that table.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: The you got the Secretary of State, You've got the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Defense Secretary. You've also got the Vice President. They laid
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: it on for Australia, which is good to see. It
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: shows how strong the alliance is.
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: Oh look absolutely.
• 45:49
  Speaker 21: I mean he had the who's who of American politics
• 45:53
  Speaker 21: at that table. But there's one man that apparently he
• 45:55
  Speaker 21: didn't know who he was, and that was our ambassador
• 45:58
  Speaker 21: Kevin Rudd.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 46:00
  Speaker 21: You know, every time I watched that vision, I've got
• 46:02
  Speaker 21: to say, I just think to myself, it couldn't have
• 46:04
  Speaker 21: happened to a better person. That's one part. But secondly,
• 46:07
  Speaker 21: I just wonder what Kevin Rudd was thinking at the
• 46:10
  Speaker 21: fact that a Sky News journalist, the brilliant Andrew clenew
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: it came from Sky News. I'm sure that he would
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: have hated that even more.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But it was also funny.
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: We had Anthony upper Easy come out and say, I know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 21: Kevin's great.
• 46:21
  Speaker 19: Kevin's great.
• 46:22
  Speaker 21: But when you think about it, we all thought that
• 46:25
  Speaker 21: maybe Anthony alp and Easy would cop the Donald Trump
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: treatment like other world leaders have. But lo and behold,
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: it was going to be the elephant in the room.
• 46:32
  Speaker 21: Kevin Rud all along it was going to cop it,
• 46:34
  Speaker 21: and oh it was great to say.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So let me get this straight.
• 46:38
  Speaker 20: You two are now happy about journalists asking tough questions
• 46:41
  Speaker 20: of Donald Trump. I just want to get this clear now.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Question because he meant ye, We've always supported that. But
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: he asked him about climate policies and Palestine and tack
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: this on and the only one that Trump wanted to
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Trump was it was It was excellent statement and stuff.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And what makes me laugh even more is the way
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Albow is now cozing up to Trump. Remember he was
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the bad Orange man for so long, but long, but
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: have a look at this on the Breakfast TV.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: You look like Trump, I think enjoyed the conversation. Yeah,
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: well we we we get on and we've had fantastic,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: warm discussions over the phone.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: We've talked through issues.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Their mates. Now, just can you feel the love?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Just feel the love?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Should run that in label in the coalition should run.
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: That an absolutely, I well, I hate Look, you know
• 47:41
  Speaker 20: that's told to always be nice if the guy's got
• 47:43
  Speaker 20: their finger on the button.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: But just quickly, Whoopy Goldberg a bit of a meltdown.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: Wait, hold on, can you bring up the thing because
• 47:55
  Speaker 17: he put something up the other day?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Uh you see that?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Basin, who is building something.
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: Like I don't going to know you're alive and to
• 48:09
  Speaker 19: get out of all.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: He because you know he's going to try it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 13: He's going to try it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: The only thing that's going to start him is up.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, Denika the only people saving everyone from Trumps.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Whoop be in the view team.
• 48:33
  Speaker 21: Oh what a success. You know what, Chris, The left
• 48:35
  Speaker 21: are so humorless, right, they've got no humor left. And
• 48:39
  Speaker 21: then Whoopie Goldberg is a prime example. It's a joke.
• 48:41
  Speaker 21: Whoopee lighting up the World's not going to end. It's okay,
• 48:44
  Speaker 21: it's an AI meme for goodness sake.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Janika did Giorgio Justin Smith, Thanks for wrangling again.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I got to find that pen that you saw me
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: throw off the destiny at one stage. I'll see you
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. So it's going to be a short ad
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: break now, but then the credline with Credlin cheers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: H m m hmm.