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Jesus, LeBron James, and Decision Making · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's up, B D Aka Too Easy?
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  SPEAKER_01: L Dub, what's going on?
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, so good to be with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Love you, man.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, so round two, here we are in my son's room.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm a middle class guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just down to earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I upgraded with this mic, so hopefully people can hear me better.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: But good to see you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, for everyone tuning in, it's gonna be 20 minutes, hardstop.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: And here's what we're gonna talk about today.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's been fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: LeBron James and his whole decision-making process, it was exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Glad he chose where he chose.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it made me think uh that hey, because he was in free agency, he had many options of where to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Brian, as an athlete, as a minister, as a coach, man, teach us, man, how does someone, when you have so many options, how do you find God's will?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about that for 10 minutes, but then after that, I want to talk about as well how does Jesus recruit?
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: So take it away.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: How does someone choose God's will when you have free choice?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh thinking about LeBron, obviously a lot of hype.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I did see someone said the GOAT now stands for go on another team.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: I did see that, and then uh I know I know that the younger generation, I just got done working at team camp.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: We did a bad, we did a versus, and they voted between LeBron and Jordan for GOAT.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, okay, and Jordan won hands down.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think that there's like the younger guys are Jordan as a goat, guys in our generation for the most part, Jordan is a goat, and then I think there's a little sweet spot maybe uh campus campus college age guys.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them think LeBron is a goat.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: It makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you saw him play in Miami, you saw him when he went back to Cleveland.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that LeBron was special.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, yep, absolutely so.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but anyway, all right, man.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking through through our process, so much smaller scale uh before we went overseas.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is uh 2009-ish time frame, and so we had my wife and I had that same decision to make, and um, I was looking at playing in a small, like lower-level pro team, and uh between that and coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we decided to pray and look at options um to play in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, for us specifically, we knew churches in our network, we trusted discipleship there, the doctrine there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so my wife went online and looked up all the churches in in countries we were looking at, and so then she found the teams in each league and saw how far they were from each other.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I actually a brother in the faith, uh, Rowan Barrett, who's RJ Barrett's dad.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: RJ Barrett's dad, um, he was in Toronto, he played for the Canadian men's national team, and he had played overseas and was at our network of churches.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I picked his brain.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I think what the theme I heard and that we prayed about was look, we have a vision.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we want you to determine our steps.
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  SPEAKER_00: So kind of on the same notion, Proverbs 16, 9.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it it talks about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh man may plan his own course, but the Lord makes his steps secure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we took out, we took all the churches, we took all the teams, and then we prayed, God, show us uh a lead in that direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for several months there was nothing.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then out of nowhere, we got a call from my agent who said there's a team in Israel that wants you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so they were in Jerusalem.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I think the hard thing is you have to make a decision right away.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so we had basically two days to make a decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did we want to go to this team in Israel and play?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we prayed, we got advice, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end of the day, uh, we did see there's a church close to our team.
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  SPEAKER_00: We felt like um God would do something good with the opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we went.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't as much about how good the team was, it was a lower-level team, but I do think that same process could be used for any coach, any player.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is uh let me cast a vision before God, let me get advice, let me pray, talk with my family, and then ask him to show me where he wants me to go.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I appreciate that.
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  SPEAKER_01: How important?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, share why is it so important to have God as the main factor of where you're going?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because once again, Brian, what if let's just say we're a college ball player?
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Duke is the dream school I've always wanted to go to.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, man, my dream is to be a doctor or cardiologist, and they have the best program, and my dad's best friend is the dean.
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  SPEAKER_01: But hey, you know, hypothetically, but they don't have a church there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, why is God, hey, if you don't have a church there or good campus minute, that might not be best.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, so I think what it comes down to is you don't want to sacrifice your career for your faith.
• 4:54
  unknown: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you don't want to take a step that says, all right, I'll just do this one thing in my career, um, and and sacrifice my faith for it.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think, you know, like we have a pretty tight network of churches in our churches.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but even if it's if it's not one of our churches, you need to do the due diligence to go make sure this is a uh Bible preaching church.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm in line with the doctrine.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a place where me and my wife can do well, my kids can do well.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think that it's important not to sacrifice that because if you do that, um that sets it sets an example for your family, for your wife, and also how you make the decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was a there was a pro team somewhere in the south in Florida, I think, that offered us a contract and we prayed about it.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: We looked at the contract, we talked to the coach, we talked to the owner, and it was just like this does not seem right.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I think one of our churches was within an hour or something, but we didn't trust it, and so we prayed about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We felt like we were gonna be forcing it if we did it.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, and and so I think that piece was important because if I did that without my wife's input in prayer, that's gonna cause us issues in our marriage.
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  unknown: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so we said no, and then the team folded and the league folded.
• 6:10
  unknown: Dang.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think you know, looking back, uh, like we and it's been this way with coaching too, is making decisions with uh my wife on it and praying about it because it gets hard no matter what, playing or coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we wanted to look back and say, when this gets tough, we prayed about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: We um we asked for his guidance, we felt guided by faith.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not going to sit here and complain, we're not going to give up, we're not gonna ask for a trade, we're not gonna do all this stuff because make an injury.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we felt called to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think we've we've carried that over into the ministry as well on decisions.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds like it helps you give your whole heart, it helps you give you that freedom, that confidence.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's hey, I'm 100% here.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: He said a couple of things I want to make sure the listeners understand.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: One, he's got a ride and die, Kate.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Katie, you know, it's so important to have whoever you marry helps you find God's will.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't, it makes it even more complicated.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's another topic for another time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I love what you said, not to compromise your career uh for your faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, can you maybe we didn't rehearse this so this is really live?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are some risks that you've seen or even heard of?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: People who have compromised their faith for the career, what are some specific things that they've lost or has happened to them because they did that?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I I don't know about specific people jumping up in my um brain right now.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: I can tell you what I what I believe the Bible teaches, and that is if something becomes an idol, God destroys the idols.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm if I'm gonna lie to get a player, if I'm gonna lie to get uh promotion, I think then then my career is becoming my idol.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I think ultimately God will expose it and I'll suffer the consequence of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think when you're when you're playing, I mean I obviously I wasn't at the NBA level, coaching at the college level, playing at college level, it is high pressure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, you have to you have to make those decisions um with your faith in mind and not compromise your faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you do, when that comes around again, it'll be easier to compromise it, easier to compromise it.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say even even a stuff as simple as language, like if you're an athlete and you read the book of James, there's no excuse to curse.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, are you just gonna curse when you get mad on the court or at your coaches?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then if you if you do that once, or maybe it's your teammates are, so you just do it.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do that once, it'll be a little easier the second time, and the third time, and the fourth time.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um, I think it opens up pathways for compromise and faith.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's scary.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I mean, we're never gonna gossip or talk about people, individual like their names stuff, but it makes me think I love what you said, whatever your idol is, whatever is most important, it will get exposed.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if it's God, you'll have confidence, peace, faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if it's not, whatever that is, it will come out.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's scary to think about because I know what I was used to being into before I became a Christian, and I definitely don't want that to come out.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, but yeah, huge shout out to everyone playing professional sports or at the college level, whatever level, because you're right, that is high pressure.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, Brian, I want to go in more specifics, especially about your life, about surrendering what a dream, right?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Or surrendering something so important that's right there.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I know that you're working at Amazon, you were about to get, you know, I forgot what that word is at corporate America.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Once you get past five years, you're tenured or whatever, like you're you know, whatever.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: You get all the stock options.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, vested, vested.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: You're vested, you were like months away from being vested, and that's commas on commas that you were that you gave up.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and in that process as well, if I remember correctly, a college, a D1 major program in Washington, gave you an offer to be an assistant coach, but you gave that up to go into ministry.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: So talk a little bit about the being willing to sacrifice and give up what's your dream, what's your will for God's will.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: I remember it well, bro.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, basically, I'd gone into coaching.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I left college coaching to play for a year in Israel.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: We came back to Seattle and I had a chance to coach at my old high school, East Lake High School.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to the Wolves.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: I did that for four years, had just had my son, had just had my daughter, and I felt like all right, I kind of I want to go back to college coaching.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um I applied for a job at the Washington State University where they're sending our church, and I made it to the finals and then didn't get the job.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then um the elders asked us if we'd be interested in putting our names in the hat to leave the church.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: We prayed about it, said yes.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: We found out we're the only names in the hat.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so that meant that it was us.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so, did we want to do it?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: We prayed.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: We felt like with the mentorship we got, discipleship we got, and the training that we would get, we would go for it.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, even bro, even if we planted it for a year and it like officially planted, and then we were asked to leave, we were okay with that, yeah.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, my stock was getting ready to vest from Amazon.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was a good chunk, and it's grown a lot, and so um, you know, I felt uh I felt the tug of that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, however, you know, Jesus is called a discipleship.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'll just read this passage real quick.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Read it, read it.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, one of his calls of discipleship, Luke 9, 23, says, He said to them all, whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: What good is it for someone to gain the whole world and yet lose or forfeit their very self?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, bro, we've we felt the call to ministry, and we felt like in a sense it would be carrying our cross, but the cost to not follow the call was gonna feel like greater in our soul that we didn't answer the call.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, than if we did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, yes, the timing was months away from that, and um and everything.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: However, I think even though it's you know that number's really big now that we would have gotten, um what's that?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your voice cracked a little bit there, a little bit even though what it is, it it still was hey, Jesus call us at that moment, not months later, and so we had to answer the call.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: We've we felt by faith to answer the call.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now, ironically, another coach I really respected is Lorenzo Romar because of his faith.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: He was coaching at the University of Washington, and so after we accepted uh the call and the role to plant the pollution church of Christ in Pullman, the next week uh his staff called and offered me a job on his staff.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: And um, again, it was a dream to coach in college again.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I talked to my wife and she said she would she'd be like, if this is what you feel called to do, I'll support you.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: But we felt called last week to the ministry.
• 13:32
  unknown: Wow.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: So what's changed?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um so, bro, we went, didn't look back.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're in Pullman, going on 11 years and uh doing this work, and I'm grateful.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's incredible, man.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so proud that you decided to use your incredible talents uh for the community, for God, and has been able to impact so many people.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: And one thing that you said that really uh hit home for me was that your soul is worth more than all those commas and absolutely, yeah.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: The soul is worth more than anything.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you do that.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: But we got five more minutes, man.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: So can I jump in and ask you a question?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, all right.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: One of the times in my life, so this is 2004, where the church and the brotherhood became real to me, and I think it helped me make that decision in 2000.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, that would have been 2014 to come to Pullman.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: You just graduated from Mizzou.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: You had a similar um sacrificial decision.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So do you mind sharing about that?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because that to me, that made the brotherhood and the call real because I saw it as a young Christian.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for giving me the opportunity to share.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, man, it hits home because uh man, that was a very pivotal moment in my life.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think when I I was so my grades went the greatest in college.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was the thank you, Lordy.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank God I graduated.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, but I got this international sales job offer, and I was like, and I felt talented.
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  SPEAKER_01: I speak three languages, I grew up in Japan all my life, so I was like, Yes, God's blessed me.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm about to make some serious money, travel the world, and speak great on my resume, and I can stack and build from there.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I was really excited, and I remember talking to you, shout out to Dr.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: Martin, Sam Martin, who I love dearly, and Vince Hawkins, who was pivotal.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I just remember having great conversations, but also thinking, like, man, when I was young, and maybe we can talk about it in the future, I was wild.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I my idols were women, myself.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: I did a lot of stuff that got me in a lot of legal trouble too.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was underage, so you know, thank God it's not permanent.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember thinking, it's like, man, I did so much for myself, and I did so much selfish things.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I decided, you know what?
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give God the best of my youth.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: While I'm in my prime, let me give him the best of what I have to do the most that he wants and can do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, I decided, you know what?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna choose you.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: You do whatever you want, wherever you want me to go.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so Vince gave me an opportunity to be an intern for the church there in Columbia, Missouri.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: And man, it did more for me than I did for others.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: I had so many insecurities and fears that God helped prune out of me.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: And like, yeah, I got to build some incredible friends.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, bro, it was it was hard, but I'm so glad I gave, I can say with confidence, I gave God my best.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: I there was no turning back, and so yeah, bro.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: I love that story, man.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: See for me as a young Christian, rough around the edges.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: You knew me, you know me.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, not being a great place.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: When I saw that, and I was like, he didn't what that helped build my faith a lot, bro.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate your example, man.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we talked about this the last episode, it created such a bond with all of us that as men and our the the women in our campus ministry, too.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Your wife, Katie, shout out to Shawanda, Erica, you know, Nick Shellhammer, the OTG, but man, it created such a bond that, like, we're like, hey, let's go all in for God, all in for one another.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And bro, that's what we're trying to do now in this generation as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, let's find men and women that want to go all out for him.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so B, how about next time we talk about how does Jesus recruit and try to find men and women that are willing to go all out for him?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds great, bro.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think his pitch is a little bit different than what we see these days.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Very different.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, tune in next week to find out.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: You want to close us out in a prayer, L?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to, bro.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: God, thank you so much for Jesus' example of sacrifice and Jesus' example of you know the movie, The Passion of Christ.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: To do your will is the most important thing on earth.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: God, to love you, to give our hearts to you.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, God in heaven, I pray for men and women, especially we're talking to athletes, God, that they do not get consumed or tricked into chasing money, chasing their own dreams.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: God, but yes, use your talents, be successful, but don't let that be the main thing.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: The main thing is you, and the best thing we could ever do is help win souls for others.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So others.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, God, we love you.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for Brian's example.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for his wife.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bless his family, bless mine as well.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: We need you, and God, I pray whoever hears this that they are moved to change and give you their all.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Jesus now pray.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: El, thanks for the prayer, man.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, one question.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: I got a couple minutes here before we gotta go.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, who's your three?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: What order?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, man, I grew I'm 44, so MJ is always gonna be my number one.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, man, I don't want to say who my two or three is, and uh so man, let's just say I'll love them at all.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: They are incredible, they are so special in their own unique ways.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge LeBron fan.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'll confess I wrote them fan mail multiple times, and so and uh, but yeah, yeah, and then I got a good friend that's connect with him, but anyway, yeah, Kobe.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he grew up overseas, like I grew up overseas, speaks multiple languages.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can identify with that, so yeah, but I'll just say MJ's my goat.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, man.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what about you, real quick then?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, okay, LeBron, he's in his own class, no one's played at this level in this shape for this long.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing, best of our generation.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but I got Jordan.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: I I just think from a mentality standpoint and uh taking over the game, being able to shoot the ball, win the game with your shot, Kobe number two, LeBron respect amazing legends.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I got him at number three.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but let me say this about LeBron, just because on the internet now, and one thing that I do think that he's the most amazing at, he married his high school sweetheart.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is uh seems like a phenomenal dad to his kids.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Every team he's on seems like all the players love him.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he just seems like not just a great guy on the court but off the court as well.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: But there's something really unique about how a guy didn't grow up with a dad, inner city, and really troubled home lifestyle, but somehow is married, committed, from what we can tell, is just very disciplined.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Playing with a son, through a son a lob, might be playing with another son here in a couple years.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Woo!
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good point.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: No one's done that.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so just to put that out, just because we're on we're online now, so I love you, bro.