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Speaker 1: You always if you're talking about the Red Sox.
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Speaker 2: Already thankssaults are mad, Derek Lewandowski and this is a
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Speaker 2: typical Yankee Fair reaction. We gotta do something. Welcome everyone
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Speaker 2: to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm Ken Rosenthal.
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Speaker 2: Alana Rizzo is back with us on this Thursday, and Alana,
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Speaker 2: it's cool. Pictures and catchers are reporting and workouts have begun,
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Speaker 2: and yet last night the Winter meetings broke out all
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Speaker 2: over against.
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Speaker 1: Really seems that way.
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Speaker 2: Ken.
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Speaker 1: Great to be back with you as well. Great job
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Speaker 1: by Trisha Whitaker last week in my absence, But it
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Speaker 1: finally seems like we have a landing spot Ken for
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Speaker 1: third baseman. Maybe third baseman Alex Bregman. Where's it going?
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Speaker 2: He's going to Boston. As everyone reported last night, it's
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Speaker 2: a fascinating deal, of fascinating development in so many ways.
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Speaker 2: The deal four years, I'm sorry, three years, one hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty million. I was thinking about the forty million AAV.
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Speaker 2: It's three years one to twenty with an opt out
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Speaker 2: after each year. There is deferrals, or are deferrals in
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Speaker 2: the deal that will lower the present day value. We're
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Speaker 2: familiar with this practice by now, and the real question
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Speaker 2: for me Alana now that they've made this big move,
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Speaker 2: and good for the Red Sox finally waking up and
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Speaker 2: joining the big market party. But the big question is
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Speaker 2: where is Bregman going to play now? He has expressed
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Speaker 2: a willingness to play second base. That's a position where
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Speaker 2: he would be in the middle of the infield. He
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Speaker 2: was a shortstop at LSU, came up and played some
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Speaker 2: shortstop in the Astros organization, but he's been a third
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Speaker 2: baseman for the majority of his career, the vast majority
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Speaker 2: of his major league career, and he won his first
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Speaker 2: Gold Glove last season. So, as I wrote today, the
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Speaker 2: obvious move, in my opinion, is to play Alex Bregman
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Speaker 2: at third base. And I know what this means for
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Speaker 2: Rafield Devers. It means that he likely becomes a DH
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Speaker 2: in this second year of a ten year extension eleven
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Speaker 2: year extension. But you know what the Red Sox should
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Speaker 2: be trying to win here and their best defensive alignment,
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Speaker 2: their best pathway for some of their prospects is if
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Speaker 2: Bregman plays third base, and that way you have vun
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Speaker 2: Grissom or their top infield prospect Christian Campbell. The path
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Speaker 2: would be clear for them. At second, you'd have a
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Speaker 2: problem with Yashidah because you'd have to get rid of
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Speaker 2: him since he's projected to be the current DH. But
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Speaker 2: these are big boy problems, big market problems, and they
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Speaker 2: can be solved. But the big thing to me is
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Speaker 2: putting your best defensive alignment on the field, and that
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Speaker 2: is with Bregman at third.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the addition so far Ken with Bregman.
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Speaker 1: Team hasn't made it official yet, but all intents and purposes,
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Speaker 1: he's going to Beantown. They've added Bregman. Of course, Garrett Croshet,
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Speaker 1: Walker Buhler. It'll be interesting to have those two on
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Speaker 1: the same team. Zandovald Chapman and Wilson. You said they're
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Speaker 1: finally acting like a big market club. Is this enough
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Speaker 1: to compete in a very tough al East.
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Speaker 2: It should be. And it's always difficult to predict Alana,
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Speaker 2: You know this what's going to happen in a given season.
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Speaker 2: We don't really know what Walker Buhler is going to be.
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Speaker 2: We don't know what Gilito is going to be. Even
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Speaker 2: with Crochet, who's been outstanding or was outstanding in his
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Speaker 2: first year as a starter for the White Sox. Now
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Speaker 2: he goes to Fenway, it's a different set of circumstances.
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Speaker 2: You can't project and predict any of this stuff, even
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Speaker 2: though of course we all try. I did write and
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Speaker 2: I do believe this, and I might have even been
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Speaker 2: light in saying this, that they are clearly a threat
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Speaker 2: to win a wildcard now and maybe a threat to
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Speaker 2: challenge the Yankees in the Al East for the division title.
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Speaker 2: They might be even more than maybe a threat. Maybe
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Speaker 2: they are a real threat. So I like where they
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Speaker 2: are at this point. They needed the right handed bat
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Speaker 2: that Regman will provide. And I know there are some
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Speaker 2: numbers out there. I referred to some of them in
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Speaker 2: my story that shows some decline in the last couple
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Speaker 2: of years from an offensive standpoint. But going to Fenway,
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Speaker 2: where he has monster numbers ree seventy five career batting
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Speaker 2: average over a twelve hundred ops, that should be well
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Speaker 2: suited for him. He's a pull hitter. It all should
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Speaker 2: work out. Now he might only be there one year,
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Speaker 2: right he has the opt out, and that is part
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Speaker 2: of the complication with the decision, because if Bregman is
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Speaker 2: only there one year. Maybe you want Devers back at
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Speaker 2: third next year. But again, if you're the Red Sox,
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Speaker 2: you've got to put your best foot forward and you
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Speaker 2: leave second base for Campbell. He's coming. I know they
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Speaker 2: can play him in other positions. I know Bregman would
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Speaker 2: be a really good defender at second as well. But
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Speaker 2: we're talking about a Gold Glove winner Bregman versus a
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Speaker 2: guy who was one of the worst defenders in the
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Speaker 2: league at third base last season, Devers. It is pretty
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Speaker 2: much a slam dunk in my mind.
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Speaker 1: Talking about the monster numbers at Fenway. Obviously, that big
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Speaker 1: monster in left center field there makes sense for him.
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Speaker 1: But it's three years, one twenty million. As you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: Kennon reportedly he had a much bigger deal going to
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers. Obviously he has connections to both, with
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Speaker 1: Alex Korra in Boston as well as aj Hinch, his
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Speaker 1: former manager with the Houston Astors there in Detroit. Now,
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Speaker 1: apparently he picked Boston over Detroit. It was a longer
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Speaker 1: term deal and certainly more money. Why Boston over Detroit?
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Speaker 2: More guaranteed money. The report was six years, one hundred
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Speaker 2: and seventy one point five million, that's a pretty good deal.
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Speaker 2: It would have put him over where the Astros were
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Speaker 2: with their six year, one hundred and fifty six million
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Speaker 2: dollar offer, accounted for the difference in state income tax
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Speaker 2: and all that, and giving him a little bump beyond.
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Speaker 2: But Gregman clearly wanted Boston and he clearly wanted I
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Speaker 2: believe because he will play well there with what you
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Speaker 2: just said, alt it the Green Monster and his poll
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Speaker 2: hitting and all of that coming into play. And Detroit
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Speaker 2: is a team that is on the rise, there's no
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Speaker 2: doubt about that. But it's still not the Ale East,
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Speaker 2: still not the big market, and maybe that is what
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Speaker 2: he wanted. We'd have to hear from him to know
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Speaker 2: for sure why he made the decision he did. And
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Speaker 2: keep in mind too that like several previous Scott Bors
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Speaker 2: clients Pete Alonzo most recently and then last off season
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Speaker 2: Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery and Matt Chapman, these guys
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Speaker 2: going back to Korea have taken these shorter deals, even
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Speaker 2: going back to Adrian Beltrey the shorter deal and then
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Speaker 2: try to cash in again later. Now it gets complicated
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Speaker 2: for Bregman. If he opts out, he'll be entering free
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Speaker 2: agency next offseason, going into his age thirty two season,
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Speaker 2: so he'd have to get to beat the Detroit off
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Speaker 2: for five years upwards of one hundred and thirty million.
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Speaker 2: He might do that, but he might not, So it's
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Speaker 2: an interesting bet on himself. He gets an AAV that
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Speaker 2: matches the sixth highest and major league history. It matches
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Speaker 2: Aaron Judges AAV. Though deferrals will drop the value present day,
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Speaker 2: it's still a very interesting situation for him. It's a
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Speaker 2: lucrative situation for him. He's got one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 2: million guaranteed and he can take it from here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point these guys just want to win
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Speaker 1: versus having the money, because the money's been there for
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Speaker 1: his entire career. Let me ask you this, though, Ken,
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Speaker 1: Now that we think Alex Bregman is going to the
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Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox, what does that mean for Nolan Ronado?
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Speaker 1: Does a picture for him become a little bit clearer?
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Speaker 2: It's clearer, and yet it's not. And why I say
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Speaker 2: that is this? The Red soixe seemed to be his
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Speaker 2: first choice. It was widely reported that way I heard it.
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Speaker 2: Most of us who have been doing this have heard that,
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Speaker 2: and The Red Sox option is now gone. Remember he
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Speaker 2: rejected the trade to Houston earlier this offseason when he
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Speaker 2: wanted to see how the landscape developed. Well the Red Sox,
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Speaker 2: that option is no longer there for him. People talk
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Speaker 2: about the Yankees. The Yankees have not shown any interest
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Speaker 2: in Arnato all off season. They are in a situation
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Speaker 2: where they're not going to add a lot of money
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Speaker 2: and I just don't see that happening. It's not realistic.
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Speaker 2: Then there are the Dodgers. That's a place Noan Arnaudo
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Speaker 2: has talked about in the past, and sure, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that would be an interesting place for him now, but
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Speaker 2: they've got Max Munsey, a third Max Bunsey might have
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Speaker 2: a better year than Noen Arnado. No On Arnado is
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Speaker 2: in offensive decline, in sharp offensive decline. So if you're
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, why would you want to make that deal.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why you would want to make that deal.
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Speaker 2: So it seems to me that Arnatto right now, barring
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Speaker 2: an injury, somewhere else and a place that he says
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Speaker 2: in his mind, I would want to go. Seems to
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Speaker 2: me he is going to start the season in Saint
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Speaker 2: Louis now things can change. As I just mentioned, an
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Speaker 2: injury could change the equation as the season goes on.
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Speaker 2: Who knows, he might open up his list a little
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Speaker 2: bit more than he has so far. But it's not
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Speaker 2: an easy circumstance for him right now. And looking back,
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Speaker 2: should you have taken the Houston trade? Well, that's something
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Speaker 2: maybe he'll debate in his mind.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this Ken, because he is a
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Speaker 1: Southern California kid. I mean, obviously he has been tied
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Speaker 1: to the Los Angeles Dodgers over the course of his career.
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Speaker 1: He has said that he'd like to play for the
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Speaker 1: Dodgers at some point. Anthony Rendon is out for the
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Speaker 1: season again, color me shocked. In terms of Anthony Rendon
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Speaker 1: and injury situations. Do you see a situation in which
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Speaker 1: Nolan Arnado could be the third baseman for the angel
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Speaker 1: since Rendon is not available.
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Speaker 2: It's a fair question given where Nolan is from. But
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Speaker 2: at the same time, the Angels just signed Yon Mancata,
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Speaker 2: and Yon Mancata is a reasonable bounce back guy, a
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Speaker 2: guy that I'm interested to see play this year now
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Speaker 2: that he's out of Chicago, now that he has been
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Speaker 2: humbled a little bit, not that he necessarily needed humbling.
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Speaker 2: But sometimes something like this can wake up a player
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Speaker 2: a little. So I don't see the Angels wanting to
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Speaker 2: get involved and take on that money. They have a
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Speaker 2: situation where they've added quite a bit, there's still short
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Speaker 2: of being a playoff type team in most projection systems.
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Speaker 2: To me, it just doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, you look at the situation between Alex
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Speaker 1: Bregman and the Boston Red Sox, how it impacts both
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Speaker 1: part of fair territory. With Ken Rosenthal, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this Ken, As we continue our lead here on
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Speaker 1: the show, looks like the Padres are going to go
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Speaker 1: and get Nick Paveta. They inking him to a four year,
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Speaker 1: fifty five million dollar deal. There are some opt outs
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Speaker 1: in that, but there's a lot of first year money
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Speaker 1: in there, and does that mean that this is perhaps
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Speaker 1: an insurance plan if they move Dylan Cees.
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Speaker 2: Actually the first year money is rather low, four million
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Speaker 2: total a lot. So the way I see this, and
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Speaker 2: the way Dennis Lynn wrote about this in The Athletic Today,
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Speaker 2: is that the Padres are trying to build as good
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Speaker 2: a team as possible with limited resources, and of course
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Speaker 2: that's the job of every GM, but they're in a
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Speaker 2: particularly unusual circumstance given the ownership squabble, the battle for
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Speaker 2: control between Peter Sidler's widow and his brothers. So we
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Speaker 2: have been unable to really get a good read on
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Speaker 2: them all off season. But what have they done lately.
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Speaker 2: They've resigned Michael King to a deal where they pushed
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Speaker 2: the money back into really twenty twenty six, a good
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Speaker 2: deal of it. It's in a buyout. They gave Jason
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Speaker 2: Hayward a low money deal, Connor Joe a low money deal,
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Speaker 2: and now with Paveta, they're restricting what he's earning in
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Speaker 2: the first year, keeping it really down to four million.
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Speaker 2: So my interpretation of this, without having spoken to aj Preller,
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Speaker 2: because this deal is not yet official, is that they're
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Speaker 2: trying to build the best possible team they can while
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Speaker 2: still dealing with the luxury tax implications. Now they're within
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Speaker 2: about two or three million of the second threshold right now,
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Speaker 2: I imagine they don't want to go over that one, and
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Speaker 2: that could necessitate a trade still, but I don't believe
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Speaker 2: it will be Dylan Cease. My guess is they'd rather
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Speaker 2: trade Robert Suarez. And I'm not certain of this. This
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Speaker 2: is speculative, but it just seems to me that you
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Speaker 2: can build a bullpen a little bit even without a
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Speaker 2: guy like Suarez, then you can put a rotation together
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Speaker 2: without Dylan Cease. The way they are set up now
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Speaker 2: with Paveta, it's Cease, it's Starvish, it's Michael King, and
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Speaker 2: it's Paveta. That's four. Those are four pretty good pitchers,
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Speaker 2: and you've got Waldron and you've got some other options
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Speaker 2: for the fifth spot, and they're in a better place.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe they want to abandon that place. They
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Speaker 2: want this team to compete. That's aj Preller's wholem. It
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Speaker 2: always has been his mo. He's not going backwards. He
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Speaker 2: wants to go forward. He has a difficult time doing it,
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Speaker 2: it seems under these financial conditions, but he's found a
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Speaker 2: way by adding Paveta, and now it'll be interesting to
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Speaker 2: see how they take the next step.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps Sware is on the move versus Dylan season.
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Speaker 1: Just to clarify my mistake, as you mentioned, Ken, he
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Speaker 1: will receive a three million dollars signing bonus and only
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Speaker 1: a one million dollar salary. As you mentioned, the Padre
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Speaker 1: is facing a cash flow issue. This deal, which contains
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Speaker 1: player opt outs after twenty six and twenty seven, will
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Speaker 1: then pay Paveta nine teen million, fourteen million, and eighteen
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Speaker 1: million over the next three years, respectively. So that was
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Speaker 1: my mistake. Wanted to make that clarification there. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about show Hey Otani, who is making two million dollars
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Speaker 1: a year in a seven hundred million dollar contract. He's
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Speaker 1: going to throw a bullpen next weekend Show Hey fans
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Speaker 1: unite Ken because anything that show Heyo Tani does is
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Speaker 1: big news. What do you make of this. The Dodger's
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Speaker 1: saying he'll be ready to pitch in May sounds good.
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Speaker 2: It seems like he's on track. Keep in mind he's
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Speaker 2: coming off a major elbow operation and they're not going
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Speaker 2: to rush this. There's no reason for them to rush this.
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Speaker 2: They have numerous options for their rotation. They plan to
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Speaker 2: go to a six man rotation pretty much all season,
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Speaker 2: and they will do that to accommodate Otani, Sasaki coming
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Speaker 2: over Yamamoto in his second season. They want to build
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Speaker 2: in as much rest as possible for all of these starters.
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Speaker 2: And what they want and what they tried to achieve
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Speaker 2: last year and did not do successfully even though they
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Speaker 2: won the World Series, was keep all of these guys
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Speaker 2: healthy for OKT. Remember they had kind of a patchwork
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Speaker 2: deal going. They had to trade for Jack Flowerty, they
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Speaker 2: had to use Bueller in spots coming down the stretch,
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Speaker 2: and of course in the postseason. It wasn't the original plan.
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Speaker 2: But they now have such a plethora of starting pitching
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Speaker 2: options they should be able to really take it easy
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Speaker 2: with Otani accommodate him as best they can. Now he's
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Speaker 2: also coming off the left shoulder surgery. Non pitching arm
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Speaker 2: and that seems to be, as he said yesterday, a
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Speaker 2: little bit more complicated. He's expected to be ready to
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Speaker 2: DH by opening day. He's going to be a two
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Speaker 2: way player again this season. It's just a matter of
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Speaker 2: when exactly that occurs.
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Speaker 1: All right, And you were just at Dodgers camp a
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Speaker 1: couple of days ago. You said it's wild there the
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Speaker 1: amount of media, of course, Japanese media. They got a
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Speaker 1: lot to cover, a lot to talk about. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, Farh an Xiety is back with the Los
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Speaker 1: Angeles Dodgers, coming over from San Francisco. He's going to
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Speaker 1: join myself and Clip Pesius on Dodgers' territory later on
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Speaker 1: this afternoon. We do have some Grilla and Ken questions,
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Speaker 1: so let's get to that here. The first one is
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Speaker 1: in regard Ken to the New York Yankees. Make sure
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Speaker 1: you guys load up the questions here for Grill and Ken.
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Speaker 1: So the first one is in regards to the Yankees.
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Speaker 1: As we wait for it to come up here. By
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Speaker 1: the way, did you what did you think about Farhan
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Speaker 1: going back to UH to UH the Dodgers.
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Speaker 2: Ken be all, he's close with Andrew Freeman. He's had
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Speaker 2: success with the Dodgers and they value him. So yes,
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Speaker 2: that was a move that was pretty much expected. Now
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Speaker 2: what is the Yankees?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, you always put them together, right, you always
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Speaker 1: if you talk about the Red Sox.
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Speaker 2: Are Derek Lewandowski. But this is a typical Yankee fail reaction.
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Speaker 2: We got to do something you've already done a lot. Now. Granted,
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Speaker 2: they need another infielder, we all know that, and really
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Speaker 2: Bregman would have been ideal. But I don't expect the
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Speaker 2: Yankees to do anything major if at some point this
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Speaker 2: spring they can find another infielder so they have a
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Speaker 2: little bit more flexibility and a little bit more depth
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Speaker 2: at that position or that spot. Yes, I think they
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Speaker 2: should do that right now looking at DJ Lemayhew and
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Speaker 2: Izabal Parazza and Carrera at third base, I don't know
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Speaker 2: that that's going to fly. Maybe it will, But yes,
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Speaker 2: the Yankees, I would expect, are pretty much done. Their
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Speaker 2: reactive moves were after they lost Soto, and those moves
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Speaker 2: were Max Freed and Cody Bellinger and Paul Goldschmi and
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Speaker 2: Devin Williams. It's not like they have to react to
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox. This is in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 2: when the Evil Empire was in full force and the
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Speaker 2: Red Sox were reacting to every move the Yankees made,
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Speaker 2: and vice versa. The Yankees are pretty much set now.
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Speaker 2: You can argue that they shouldn't be, and that they
17:38
Speaker 2: should go out and get maybe even in Ornato, but
17:41
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem that's the way they're going to go.
17:44
Speaker 2: It seems that they've hit their budgetary limit. Yeah.
17:46
Speaker 1: I think if I'm a Yankee fan, I feel pretty
17:49
Speaker 1: good about what Brian Cashman and Steinbrenner have done in
17:52
Speaker 1: this offseason. Certainly able to compete in that Al East.
17:55
Speaker 1: The next question is a super chat. We appreciate you,
17:57
Speaker 1: Daniel Rothlenberg asking Ken this will be the standard for
18:01
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame pitchers in twenty years. Nobody is going
18:03
Speaker 1: to win three hundred games, few will win two fifty.
18:06
Speaker 1: Will the standard change for hitters?
18:11
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a great question for pictures. I think he means,
18:14
Speaker 2: and I'll try to address both both. But the standards
18:18
Speaker 2: are already changing for pictures. Three hundred is no longer
18:21
Speaker 2: the automatic entry point. Two point fifty is becoming more
18:25
Speaker 2: of a legitimate spot for certain pitchers. CC Sabathia, Andy
18:29
Speaker 2: Pettit is up around that number. He got increased support
18:33
Speaker 2: in this vote, and yet of course two fifty is
18:35
Speaker 2: going to be a difficult number to reach going forward.
18:38
Speaker 2: Garret Cole is really probably the only guy besides Erlander
18:41
Speaker 2: and the others who have gotten there already, who is
18:44
Speaker 2: looking at two fifty among current players. So yeah, we're
18:48
Speaker 2: going to have to adjust our sites a little bit,
18:51
Speaker 2: and that's probably true for hitters as well. To get
18:54
Speaker 2: more specific with what Daniel said there, I mentioned this
18:58
Speaker 2: recently and I'm still thinking about it. I'll probably be
19:01
Speaker 2: thinking about it the whole year until the next vote.
19:04
Speaker 2: Careers are shorter today in some regards, and injuries become
19:09
Speaker 2: a factor for guys like Pedroia and David Wright. It's
19:12
Speaker 2: always been like that, Don Mattingly, it was a guy
19:15
Speaker 2: whose career was shortened because of injury, and generally speaking,
19:18
Speaker 2: we have not looked at those kinds of players as
19:21
Speaker 2: Hall of famers. Longevity is a big part of this,
19:23
Speaker 2: but I wonder now if we need to kind of
19:27
Speaker 2: adjust our sights in that way as well with certain
19:30
Speaker 2: hitters and certain pitchers whose careers are shorter. And this
19:34
Speaker 2: is something that going forward is going to be a
19:36
Speaker 2: difficult question. Do I see Pedroia right now as a
19:39
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, not necessarily, but at the same time,
19:43
Speaker 2: he accomplished a lot in about a ten year period,
19:47
Speaker 2: which is kind of what you want. So should we
19:50
Speaker 2: penalize if for not playing fifteen years. I'm not so
19:52
Speaker 2: sure that the answer to that is yes. I did
19:53
Speaker 2: not vote for Perjoya this year, but I'm going to
19:55
Speaker 2: take another look at it next year because I'm kind
19:57
Speaker 2: of troubled by this whole thing and not sure of
20:01
Speaker 2: where I should be.
20:04
Speaker 1: Hall of very Good, perhaps not necessarily Hall of Fame.
20:07
Speaker 1: I would put Peedoria in, but again I can see
20:10
Speaker 1: how others would think in a different way. All Right.
20:13
Speaker 1: The next question coming up here on Grill and Ken
20:15
Speaker 1: is in regards to the Baltimore Orioles slack rabbit ten.
20:18
Speaker 1: The pitching in the Ale East is looking elite after
20:20
Speaker 1: this offseason. Even the Rays pitching is looking healthy again.
20:24
Speaker 1: Are the O's young up and comers screwed?
20:30
Speaker 2: That's an interesting way of putting aainst slack rabbit tin. No,
20:33
Speaker 2: they are not. The Orioles up and coming hitters are
20:36
Speaker 2: extremely talented and they're gonna be just fine. I'm talking
20:39
Speaker 2: about Gunner Henderson and Colton Kowser and Jackson Holiday and
20:43
Speaker 2: Kobe Mayo once he arrives Jordan Westburg. These guys were accomplished.
20:47
Speaker 2: They were facing good pitching last year. I know Holliday
20:49
Speaker 2: hasn't done much yet, nor has Mayo, but that is
20:53
Speaker 2: the least of the Orioles concern. Confident that those guys
20:56
Speaker 2: are going to hit and beat contributors for them. My
21:00
Speaker 2: bigger concern with the Orioles is sort of the state
21:03
Speaker 2: of their starting pitching and even in their bullpen to
21:06
Speaker 2: some degree. But they have depth in the rotation. They've
21:09
Speaker 2: got depth in the outfield now. I wrote about that
21:11
Speaker 2: this week. They're going to be interesting. The question to
21:15
Speaker 2: me is will they be in that Al East now,
21:18
Speaker 2: which is grown more competitive with the Red Sox making
21:21
Speaker 2: these moves. Are they going to be at the same
21:23
Speaker 2: level they were a year ago. Theoretically they should be
21:25
Speaker 2: better as these young players continue to grow, and let's
21:28
Speaker 2: say Adley Rushman has a bounce back here. But I'm
21:31
Speaker 2: not sure that progression by those guys will be linear.
21:34
Speaker 2: It doesn't always work like this. Sometimes guys go backwards
21:38
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's just a little bit more difficult. I
21:40
Speaker 2: still am bullsh on all those players, those young hitters.
21:43
Speaker 2: But again, the Oriols are one of those teams where
21:46
Speaker 2: I'm anxious to see them play and I'm just not
21:49
Speaker 2: sure where they're going to end up.
21:51
Speaker 1: You had mentioned that the question mark perhaps for the
21:53
Speaker 1: Orioles Ken is they're starting pitching. So I'll ask you this.
21:56
Speaker 1: With the perveted departure from Boston, but the addition of
21:59
Speaker 1: Walker to the Red Sox, who do you think has
22:02
Speaker 1: the most elite starting pitching in the Al East.
22:07
Speaker 2: I'd still go with the Yankees. You're looking at Cole
22:10
Speaker 2: and Freed and Rodin and Clark Schmidt as well. They're
22:15
Speaker 2: still pretty good, and don't forget the rookie of the
22:17
Speaker 2: Year Luis Heil, so I'd still go with them. The
22:21
Speaker 2: Orioles have an older group in some regards. It's Efflyn
22:25
Speaker 2: along with Grace and Rodriguez who is younger, and then
22:27
Speaker 2: Sigano and Morton who are older, and Dean Kramer. They've
22:30
Speaker 2: also got Bradish coming back at mid season, along with
22:33
Speaker 2: Tyler Wells perhaps, so there are some good things to
22:37
Speaker 2: look at there. It's just high end. The Yankees and
22:41
Speaker 2: the Red Sox both have better options that way, I.
22:45
Speaker 1: Believe you are correct in that. All right, time out
22:47
Speaker 1: for dude in the week, dude, dude, dude, all right, Ken,
22:58
Speaker 1: you go first on this. Who is due to the week?
23:00
Speaker 2: For this week, I'm going to give it to a
23:03
Speaker 2: pair of Dodgers who had a great show of friendship
23:07
Speaker 2: and cool teammate actions, Miguel Rojas and Roki Sasaki. It's
23:11
Speaker 2: not a great way to put it, not very poetic,
23:13
Speaker 2: but here it is. Rojas gave up his number eleven
23:16
Speaker 2: as a veteran player to Sasaki, who has never played
23:19
Speaker 2: in North America, and for that exchange, Saki gave him
23:23
Speaker 2: a couple of bottles of sake and a special cup
23:27
Speaker 2: to drink the sake out of. Now what was cool
23:29
Speaker 2: about this to me? Maybe Rohas should be the dude alone.
23:32
Speaker 2: Was Rojas saying, Okay, I know this kid is just
23:36
Speaker 2: coming over here. He's done nothing, But I'm not going
23:39
Speaker 2: to act like the guys did in the nineteen seventies
23:41
Speaker 2: and eighties perhaps and say prove it, man, you haven't
23:44
Speaker 2: done anything. I'm not giving you my number. He gave
23:47
Speaker 2: up his number. It was very gracious of him and
23:49
Speaker 2: Miguel Rojas, that's who he is, But I just thought overall,
23:52
Speaker 2: the whole thing was really cool and a great way
23:55
Speaker 2: to kind of welcome Sasaki to the team, make him
23:59
Speaker 2: feel more comfortable. So Miguel Rojas and Roki Sasaki Dude
24:02
Speaker 2: to the Week. Yeah.
24:03
Speaker 1: I like the way that Miguel Rojas announced that he
24:05
Speaker 1: was giving Sasaki the number eleven, the way that he
24:08
Speaker 1: put that out there, as far as the video is concerned.
24:10
Speaker 1: I feel badly though, for any guy that has to
24:12
Speaker 1: give a gift, because once show Hey Otani gave Joe
24:14
Speaker 1: Kelly's wife a Porsche. Anything else that is given to
24:17
Speaker 1: a guy that's changing their number for you is going
24:20
Speaker 1: to pale in comparison to that. My dude of the
24:22
Speaker 1: Week is Andrew Friedman. I say that because there is
24:24
Speaker 1: not a single person that Andrew Friedman had as a
24:28
Speaker 1: target to rejoin the team or go and get that
24:31
Speaker 1: they didn't get. I mean, you start with Blake Trin
24:33
Speaker 1: and you get Grokey Sasaki, you get taoskar Hernandez resigned,
24:36
Speaker 1: you get Keik Hernandez Kershaw's back Blake. You know all
24:39
Speaker 1: these guys are back Blake Snell. I mean, oh, by
24:41
Speaker 1: the way, Tanner, Scott and I didn't even ask for
24:43
Speaker 1: Herbie Ates and the Dodgers got him too, So Andrew
24:46
Speaker 1: Friedman is my dude of the week, A plus offseason
24:50
Speaker 1: for them all right, Ken, Time now for the John
24:52
Speaker 1: Fisher Dork of the Week.
25:02
Speaker 2: Who do you have?
25:03
Speaker 1: Kenny?
25:04
Speaker 2: No a lota. You know I hate to Pilon, but
25:08
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to Pilon. The award was named
25:11
Speaker 2: after John Fisher for a reason. And guess who wins
25:13
Speaker 2: this week? The Oakland A's yet again, Yes, now, it
25:17
Speaker 2: came out in the Las Vegas media. I guess through
25:20
Speaker 2: some kind of meeting or document that the A's have
25:24
Speaker 2: cleared twenty four hundred and seventy parking spaces for the
25:28
Speaker 2: new ballpark in Las Vegas. And that is five thousand,
25:32
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty less than the county requires. So
25:36
Speaker 2: here we go. The A's already are not fulfilling what
25:39
Speaker 2: the county wants as far as parking is concerned. Now,
25:42
Speaker 2: their argument, apparently is that the ballpark is in the
25:45
Speaker 2: resort corridor, they won't need as much parking. A lot
25:48
Speaker 2: of people will be coming from other places using different
25:50
Speaker 2: kinds of transportation within that area. But are you going
25:54
Speaker 2: to adhere to the county requirements or not, and apparently
25:57
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Now, I don't know how common
25:59
Speaker 2: these kinds things are, but it always seems that the
26:02
Speaker 2: A's are in a pickle. So let's pile on Oakland
26:05
Speaker 2: A's dorks of the week yet again.
26:09
Speaker 1: Again, they definitely are the leader in the clubhouse when
26:12
Speaker 1: it comes to dork of the week. I'm going to
26:14
Speaker 1: go with a couple of teams not named the Oakland
26:16
Speaker 1: A's ken but when you talk about one, you obviously
26:18
Speaker 1: have to talk about the other, as we just talked about.
26:20
Speaker 1: Since the Boston Red Sox are signing Brugman, what is
26:23
Speaker 1: the counter for the New York Yankees. Well, they're both
26:26
Speaker 1: dorks of the week for me, the reason being the
26:28
Speaker 1: Red Sox. You know how the how Netflix followed them
26:31
Speaker 1: around last year. Well, Netflix is releasing the season premiere
26:35
Speaker 1: of their documentary on the Red Sox on April eighth.
26:39
Speaker 1: That's after this season begins, So the new season has
26:42
Speaker 1: started and they will just be releasing stuff that happened
26:45
Speaker 1: last year. I don't care. I'm paying attention to this
26:47
Speaker 1: year's club, not last year's club. And as far as
26:49
Speaker 1: the Yankees are concerned, the New York Yankees are selling
26:52
Speaker 1: jerseys in their team store with the players' names on
26:55
Speaker 1: the back. The Yankees don't wear their names on the
26:57
Speaker 1: back of jerseys, so why they're selling them to and
27:00
Speaker 1: the team store is beyond me. So my dudes are
27:02
Speaker 1: excuse me. My dorks of the week are the Red
27:05
Speaker 1: Sox and Yankees together.
27:07
Speaker 2: Well, A lot of people outside of those two cities
27:10
Speaker 2: will not argue with you. They always appreciate a good
27:13
Speaker 2: Yankee Red Sox doork category. Now in the Red Sox case,
27:17
Speaker 2: I don't know that they can control the release of
27:19
Speaker 2: the Netflix special, but yeah, it will lose some luster,
27:23
Speaker 2: I guess when it comes out once the season has
27:25
Speaker 2: started and we're talking about last season. There's a lot
27:27
Speaker 2: of excitement with this current Red Sox team. So we'll
27:30
Speaker 2: see how that goes. We'll see how that series is.
27:32
Speaker 2: Those Netflix series have been pretty good.
27:35
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd rather focus on the future though than look
27:38
Speaker 1: back at the present or the past. That's fine, all right,
27:40
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