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#0138 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman, with Pierre Poilievre · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.
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  How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Great
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  to be back in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we finally did this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, me too.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to do it the first go around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Well, when I got the invitation, we
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  were in the middle of the election. And we just
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  don't leave the country during election campaigns.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem we've had is we can't get you
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  to come to Canada. And so we've actually hatched a
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  full strategy to get you into Canada because we think
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  it's going to do big things for our tourism numbers.
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  So do you mind if I present you with something
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  right out of the gate?
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  Speaker 2: Sure. All right.
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  Speaker 1: This is from a gunsmith and machinist in Calgary, Alberta.
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  His name is Jay. And he's designed this kettlebell. Guess
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  what the weight is.
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  Speaker 2: 70 pounds. 70 pounds.
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  Speaker 1: That's the weight you have. And it says on the
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  front here, Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,
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  pull it up.
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  Speaker 2: You've got that. We've got, you see.
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  Speaker 1: Here, some other stuff for a stand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this stand here. So we've got Seeing is Believing,
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  which I think was the slogan of the first UFC
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  that you were the commentator for. I think it was
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  number 13?
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  Speaker 2: 12. Number 12.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we've got here your favorite quote from,
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  what's his name? The Japanese martial artist.
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  Speaker 2: Miyamoto Musashi. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it says, If you know the way broadly, you
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  will see it in everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's here.
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  Speaker 1: And then Morse code, there's a thank you letter for you.
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  You've got your flying saucer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got your logo here too. So, but most
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  important of all, we've got a subliminal message, which is
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  the Canadian maple leaf.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 1: So every time you do a kettlebell swing, you do
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  a snatch, you do a clean, you're going to be seeing...
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  that maple leaf, and you're going to be reminding yourself
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  that you need to come back to Canada.
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  Speaker 2: All right. All right. I'll present that to you.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Very cool. Is that in the way, Jamie?
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  I can take it off. We'll take it off.
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  Speaker 1: So I saw your interview with Pavel. I'm a big
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  kettlebell freak.
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  Speaker 2: Are you really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And I started researching him after you had
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  him on. And I was trying to, I love history.
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  So I was thinking, why did the Russians come up
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  with this? And it turns out they used it as
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  a counterweight at the farmer markets. So they would say,
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  you know, you come in, you have to say, this
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  is how much potatoes you're buying. But instead of trying
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  to do it by eyeball, they would put what is
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  now kettlebell on one side of the scale and then
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  the produce on the other. And then at the farmer's expeditions,
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  you had these big Russian farmers want to show how
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  strong they were. So they would pick them up and
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  do all kinds of displays with them. And then the
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  Russian army took it on, the Soviet army took it on,
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  and then that's where Pavel picked it up and then
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  brought it over the Atlantic and introduced it to America.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy. So it was just accidental that they
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  made this very functional tool for fitness?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just, you'd go to a farmer's market,
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  you want to buy some barley or some potatoes, but
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  you don't know if you're actually getting the real weight
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  of So they'd have a scale, a balancing scale, and
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  they'd put the kettlebell on one side and the produce
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  on the other, and then you knew you got the
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  right amount. And then, of course, they have these big
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  farmers' farm fairs, and they're showing off their horses and
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  their cattle and stuff, and they'd want to do strength displays.
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  So these farmers are throwing these things around, and the
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  Russian military picked it up. And then the Soviets, of course,
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  took over, and they took it on. And then Pavel— I
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  think he was a Belarusian, though, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Pavel. Setsulin. Setsulin.
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  Speaker 1: And he brought it over to North America. But the
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  ancient Chinese did it as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ancient Chinese. The Shaolin monks have used them.
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  But they didn't do it with cast iron. Theirs were
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  sort of a concrete block. And they did it for
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  strength training as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. A little history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm a big kettlebell freak.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: And I really started to study what Pavel's teaching. I
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  think he has an accreditation or something. If I ever
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  get time, I might take it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, strong firsts. Yeah, that's his organization.
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  Speaker 1: And you have a whole program, I think. You do
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  clean to press and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do a bunch of different things.
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  Speaker 1: Squats, overhead squat and all that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great functional tool just for your whole body. Right.
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  It's really one of the best pieces of exercise equipment
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  I think I've ever found.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he calls it a cannonball on a handle.
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  And the thing I like about it is it's like
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  a catapult, like it. All of the lift is in
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  that instant where it flips over your hand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so these are the original ones. Wow, that's crazy.
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  That's so interesting. So the handle was just to pick
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  it up and carry it around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So it had a real functional use.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just amazing how good it is for a
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  piece of exercise equipment that was accidentally designed that way.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I think it's far superior to... to a
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  dumbbell exercise because there's no, uh, a dumbbell, you get a,
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  you get a consistent lift, but that's not real life.
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  If you're in a fight or you have to pick
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  something up heavy, it doesn't lift consistently. It's, it's explosive
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  in that small range. And when, you know, when you're
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  doing a snatch, by the time you get up to
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  your shoulder, the thing's weightless because the catapult, the catapult
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  effect has taken over. And now it's actually negative weights,
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  lifting your hand up in the air, if you're doing
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  it right. But Like if you're in a fight or
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  if you're in a wrestling match or you're trying to
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  push really hard against a heavy object, it's all about
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  explosive power. And that's what kettlebells give rather than just
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  this sort of freeze and contract thing that you do
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  with dumbbells.
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  Speaker 2: Have you always been a workout guy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I was big into sports until my mid-teens.
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  I was on the wrestling team. I wasn't great. I
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  was good, but I wasn't great. Then I got a
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  wicked tendonitis in my shoulder. And it ended my athleticism
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  for like four years. And that's how I got into politics.
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  I was so bored. I got to get home from school.
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  I had nothing to do. So I took my, I
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  told my mother.
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  Speaker 2: Endonitis got you into politics?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was. I just couldn't get rid
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  of it. Like I, every time I thought I had
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  it beat, I'd go in and I'd train and it
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  would be full of inflammation. No one could do anything
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  about it. And so I was like bored out of
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  my mind. And I said to my mom, like, you know,
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  you go to these local meetings with the conservative association,
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  like take me to that.
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  Speaker 2: Cause.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts. Yeah. So what were you interested in when
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  you first went there? Like we just didn't like the
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  way things were running. Like what was it about it
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  that got you so curious?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in a suburban neighborhood in south
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  end of Calgary. My folks were teachers. I was adopted.
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  My mom was a 16-year-old. She was obviously a single mom.
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  She put me up for adoption to two school teachers.
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  There was electricians and oil workers and police officers who
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  lived on our street. Normal, hardworking, good folks. And I
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  always grew up with the impression they were getting screwed
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  over and that the government didn't listen to people like them,
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  didn't listen to people who grew up on streets like ours.
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  And living in Western Canada, there was a greater sense
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  of that. We called it Western alienation at the time.
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  And there was this guy, kind of a quirky guy,
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  but a really brilliant guy named Preston Manning. And I
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  saw this billboard of him and he had his fist
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  up and it said, enough. And I said, yeah, I
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  like that guy. So I got involved in politics and
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  I started reading about different things. I started, I read
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  a biography on Fidel Castro and then I read.
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  Speaker 2: Justin's dead.
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  Speaker 1: No, not Justin's dead.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: His dad was Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad
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  was Pierre. I had issues with Pierre Trudeau too.
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  Speaker 2: It is a great conspiracy theory though.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it is a hell of a, I don't think
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  it's a true one though. His dad is Pierre. His
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  dad was very controversial while I grew up because he
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  did a lot of damage to the oil sector and
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  we're from oil country. And so that was one of
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  the things that I felt kind of resentful about the
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  national government. And one of the reasons I got involved.
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  is because the West deserved a fairer deal. But I
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  read a lot of books like Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom,
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  and I came to develop a philosophy based on just
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  maximizing personal, financial, religious freedom. Let people make their own decisions.
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  And that animated me to get involved in politics and
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  fight for that, and I've been doing it ever since.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a fascinating transition from wrestling and tendonitis. Yeah.
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  Deeply involved in politics. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, you're a sports guy. If
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  you had suffered an injury that took you out of
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  Taekwondo when you were young and you simply couldn't compete
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  at anything, you'd probably be looking for some other adventure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're lucky that stem cells weren't around back then,
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  or you never would have gotten into politics. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I would have been a wrestler. I don't know if
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  I would have won any awards, but, uh, but yeah, that,
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  that was how I got started. And And I got
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  very active very quickly. I got my first internship making
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  $ 600 a month when I was 16 or 17 years old.
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  And I would take two trains and a bus in
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  an hour and 45 minutes each way. But I was
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  so thrilled. My dad bought me a used suit and
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  a used pair of shoes. And I thought, this is
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  so incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear dress shoes.
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  I wear a tie. It didn't matter that the tie
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  was bought from some dead guy whose family had sold
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  it to a used store. But that was my start
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  and I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Well I'm really excited to have you in here because
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  I've seen you speak multiple times and you're a very
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  reasonable intelligent person that makes a lot of sense and
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  that is that is a rare thing in politics And
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  I love Canada. I just say I don't go up
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  there anymore, but it's because I think the government went
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  horribly wrong over the last X amount of years. But
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  the people are amazing. I've always said that Canada has
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  like– it's like America with like 20 percent less assholes.
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  Like every time I would go up there, I'm like
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  people are so nice. They're like the nicest people. And
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  I think that's part of what went wrong for Canada
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  is that people are rule followers. And, you know, they're
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  trusting and kind people. And, you know, this wolf in
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  sheep's clothing snuck in and, you know, was pretending he
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  was a sweet guy and passing all these crazy laws.
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  And just when we saw what happened with COVID with
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  just with what happened with the truckers and people's accounts
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  getting shut down for donating to the truckers, like the
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  whole thing was so concerning because it's our, Canada was
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  like a part of America almost. I mean, you're a
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  different country, but it's like, you used to be able
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  to go over there with just a driver's license. You know,
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  it was like, it was such a cool place to,
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  I started going to the Montreal comedy festival in like 1993.
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  I loved it up there. It's like one of my
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  favorite places.
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  Speaker 1: Just for laughs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Good.
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  Speaker 1: How's your French?
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  Speaker 2: Not good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We'll work on that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get you some French lessons.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible. I don't know any French words. My wife
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  is learning French though. It's interesting. She's got this app
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  that she's learning French. But it's just an amazing place.
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  It's a great country. And to see it go the
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  way it's been going and sliding the way it's been
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  happening over the last X amount of years, there's just
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  so many things that concern me. One of the things
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  that really concerns me is this assisted suicide thing. One
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  in 20 deaths in Canada is now assisted suicide. That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, my view is that people should have the choice.
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  But the concern we have is the suggestion that it
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  would be offered to kids or offered to people whose
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  only condition is mental illness.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: My concern as well. I mean, if someone's got a terminal,
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  like a good friend of mine went to Oregon to
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  end his life because he had ALS. But I mean,
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  he was gone. I mean, he could barely talk at
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  the end of his life. His name is Michael Lehrer.
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  He was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great guy.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it was horrible. I mean watching him fade away
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  and he wanted to go out on his own terms. Right.
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  So he went to Oregon for assisted suicide. There's a
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  place for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean there was a kid recently in Canada
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  and he did it for seasonal depression. I'm sure you're
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  aware of that case. I am. Like who allowed that
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  to happen? Who didn't counsel this young guy? Who didn't
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  give him a hug? Right. Who didn't tell them about
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  diet and exercise and changing your surroundings, your lifestyle, and
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  just do something to give you some hope and happiness?
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  Seasonal depression? Really? You're going to end your life, this
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  beautiful life on this planet, for seasonal depression? That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have to do more to give people
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  hope when they're suffering with mental illness. Give people the
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  sense that they can take back control of their lives.
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  I think we do have to promote fitness more because
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  it gives people hope. It turns them into a subject
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  that controls their surroundings rather than an object being controlled.
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  It teaches people that hardship is temporary and that the
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  aftermath is positive. And we have to give people, reinstill
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  people with a sense of meaning when they're going through
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  hardship rather than to say that it's all over. And,
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  you know, I think we have to, our system needs
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  to be geared towards giving people all the best options
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  to live on. rather than just suggesting made as the easy,
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  as the, as the automatic path for the system to
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  impose on people. So one of the things our party
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  is pushing for is to make clear that public servants
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  who are getting phone calls from people who are in
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  need of help for something, they shouldn't be offering that
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  they should be offering made. People can seek it out
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  if they want, but when you're calling up saying I'm
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  poor or I'm struggling, or I'm having a mental illness
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  or I've got an injury. We shouldn't have a government
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  worker saying, well, consider MAID.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the unfortunate thing is that any organization that gets
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  formed wants to grow. And you get financial incentives and
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  then you hire more people and then it gets bigger.
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  And then what do you have to do? Well, you
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  have to keep doing what you're doing. Exactly. What are
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  you doing? You're killing people. So you're going to kill
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  more people because you're actually financially incentivized to put more
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  people through this program and end their lives. That's very sad.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have to get to a point where
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  people have the freedom to make their own decisions, but
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  they also have hope that there is an option for them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, give them a pathway. The exercise thing, it's not
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  just give them control of their life. It makes them happier.
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  There's been studies that show it's much more effective than antidepressants.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, first of all, there's the physiological side, which
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  affects the brain, but it's also the sensation of discomfort
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  that you push through. knowing that you have to focus
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  on the thing you have to do. And that, I think,
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  it helps us in anything we're encountering, whether you're going
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  through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an injury or
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  an illness, if you know that pushing through to the
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  other side, because you've got a meaning there, that can
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  give people hope for a better life. My favorite psychologist
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  is Viktor Frankl. And he developed this Lagos treatment, which
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  was basically giving people a sense of meaning. He survived
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  the Holocaust in the concentration camp because he had a
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  sense of meaning that he wanted to, his book was
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  stolen from him in the concentration camp about this theory.
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  And he wanted to live on so he could survive
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  and write that book. And then he found in his
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  teaching that It wasn't so much people's circumstances that determined
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  their happiness. It was whether they had a meaning in life.
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  And he tells this incredible story of a group therapy
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  session where he had this very rich woman who was
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  married to a very rich man. And he had next
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  to him another lady who was living in terrible poverty.
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  She'd lost a son and had a second severely disabled son.
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  And he said to both of them, what will your
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  life look like when you're 80 years old and you're
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  on your deathbed? And the wealthier lady said, well, I
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  will look back and think that I had some fun.
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  and enjoyed the luxuries of being very wealthy and having
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  an easy life, that there wasn't a lot of meaning
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  to it. And whereas the mother who was struggling with
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  a disabled child and had lost another one said, well,
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  I gave my first child a great life, a short one,
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  but a great one. I struggled to give my disabled
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  child a good, dignified existence, and I leave this world
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  satisfied and happy that my life had purpose and meaning.
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  And the lesson I take from that is that it
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  is not about whether you have a gazillion dollars or
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  whether your life is easy. It's whether you have some
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  meaning to invest your life into. And I think we
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  have to infuse people's lives with meaning so that they
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  can live a good life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great message. And I think that's one
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  of the most important parts of being a leader is
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  having a great message and having a great philosophy and
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  having a great perspective. And I mean, that's what disturbed
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  me the most about when Trudeau was running the country
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  that I didn't feel like that. I felt like he
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  was manipulating people with woke politics and ideology and that
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  it was just this weird, slippery slope that people were
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  falling down where they're losing rights and you're losing your
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  ability to express yourself. And it just, it just really
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  disturbed me because I always felt that Canada was like
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  one of the freest places and one of the most
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  open minded places. And it just, I didn't understand how
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  it could fall so quickly.
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  Speaker 1: We still, you know, we are a free country and
• 18:27
  we are a democracy. We have preserved that. You know,
• 18:31
  my leader, I had this funny moment when Joe Biden
• 18:33
  came to Parliament Hill and I said, Mr. President, I'm
• 18:37
  Pierre Polyev. I'm the leader of His Majesty's loyal opposition.
• 18:41
  And he said, loyal opposition? How can you be loyal
• 18:44
  and opposition at the same time? It's like, what the
• 18:47
  hell are you talking about? And because you guys have
• 18:51
  a system based on the Republic, whereas ours is the
• 18:53
  British system. And in our system, the opposition is an
• 18:59
  act of loyalty. That's what our system means that if
• 19:03
  you are opposing the government, you're doing it out of
• 19:07
  loyalty to the good of the people and our house
• 19:09
  of commons, you have a half circle in your Congress.
• 19:11
  We have two sides in our parliament. It's two and
• 19:14
  a half sword lengths apart because they used to literally
• 19:16
  kill each other in the old English days. But the
• 19:19
  idea is the opposition is to prosecute the hell out
• 19:21
  of the government, make the mighty low. The most powerful
• 19:24
  people in the country are supposed to tremble every time
• 19:27
  they walk in that place because every mistake they made,
• 19:30
  every abuse of power, every corruption they might have done
• 19:33
  can be exposed and in front of all eyes. So
• 19:37
  our system is really designed to constrain the power of
• 19:40
  government through what we call parliament. Like I don't work
• 19:43
  for government. I work for parliament and parliament works for
• 19:45
  the people. We call it the House of Commons. because
• 19:49
  it's the house of the common people. It's green in
• 19:51
  there because they used to meet in the fields of England.
• 19:54
  And so I really view the world of our parliament
• 19:56
  to limit the power of government, to maximize the power
• 19:59
  of the people, make people bigger, stronger, and more fulfilled
• 20:04
  by having the government narrowly focus on the things it's
• 20:07
  supposed to do. roads, military, basic social safety net, borders, police,
• 20:12
  et cetera, but then leave people alone to live their lives.
• 20:15
  If I were to start a political party from scratch,
• 20:18
  it would be the mind your own damn business party.
• 20:20
  You know, just get the government to do its job well,
• 20:24
  do four or five things really well, and then let
• 20:26
  people live their lives.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that sounds very reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, anybody
• 20:31
  that doesn't go along with that, anybody that's opposed to that,
• 20:34
  that doesn't even make sense.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: No, look, I, Like I said, the way I grew
• 20:38
  up and everything I've seen ever since, when I talk
• 20:41
  to farmers or factory workers, electricians, I find they know
• 20:48
  just as much or more than the so-called experts I
• 20:51
  encounter on Parliament Hill. Like back during COVID when all
• 20:54
  these governments were printing money and all the politicians and
• 20:58
  bankers said, oh, this is great. Look at all this
• 21:00
  money we get to spend. I walk around communities and
• 21:03
  I'd have like mechanics say, you know, we're going to
• 21:05
  have inflation. And I would say, yeah, it makes sense
• 21:08
  to me. And I'd go back to Parliament Hill and
• 21:10
  the experts would all say, no, no, there's not going
• 21:11
  to be any inflation. And sure enough, all that money
• 21:15
  filtered into the economy, bid up all the goods we buy,
• 21:17
  and everybody got smoked with higher prices. But the point
• 21:21
  is that it was the common people who don't study
• 21:24
  this stuff for a living, who don't read endless reports
• 21:27
  and studies, who could just figure out that if there's
• 21:30
  money pouring into the economy that's not matched by goods
• 21:33
  and services, it's going to bid up the cost of everything.
• 21:36
  So that's my experience and my ideology is the common
• 21:39
  guy knows how to make his own decisions. We need
• 21:41
  to empower him.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: To do that. Yeah, just to add to people's lives. Exactly.
• 21:46
  So there's a narrative in America, and the narrative is
• 21:49
  that you were about to win and your party was
• 21:52
  about to win, but then Trump came along and said
• 21:55
  he was going to turn Canada into the 51st state. Yeah.
• 21:57
  And everybody went crazy. Is that accurate?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they went crazy. Well, they got very upset.
• 22:03
  They should be upset, though.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: What's a crazy thing to say?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not for sale.
• 22:08
  We're never going to be the 51st state. We love
• 22:11
  Americans as neighbors and friends, but we want to be
• 22:15
  uniquely and we want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's
• 22:19
  our country. It's where we grow up. You're a patriot
• 22:21
  as an American. I'm a patriot as a Canadian. It's
• 22:23
  where my grandfather arrived. It's where our collective ancestors put
• 22:28
  on military uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's where
• 22:31
  our grandkids are going to live. We're very proudly Canadian.
• 22:35
  So we're never going to be the 51st state. And
• 22:38
  I just wish he'd knock that shit off so that
• 22:40
  we can get back to talking about the things that
• 22:43
  we can do as two separate, but two separate countries
• 22:46
  that are actually friends.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Did that really have that much of an effect up there? Like,
• 22:50
  did people take him seriously?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think at first everyone thought it was a joke.
• 22:56
  Because we've always had these jokes like, you know, one
• 22:58
  day we're going to take over Vermont and Detroit should
• 23:01
  be part of Canada and all that stuff. But then
• 23:04
  he kept saying it and saying it. And, uh, you know,
• 23:07
  it became, it became, uh, A lot of people got
• 23:11
  upset about it. And I think understandably so.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Understandably. Yeah. I mean, it's a crazy thing to say.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It is a crazy thing to say.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I talked to him on the phone about it. It
• 23:20
  was like so funny. He's like, at first I was joking,
• 23:22
  but then people were like, it's a good idea. That's
• 23:25
  not a good idea. Nobody's saying that. I can assure
• 23:28
  him of that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: But, and the tariffs aren't a good idea either. We
• 23:32
  should get the tariffs out because there's so much we
• 23:35
  could be doing together as neighbors and partners if we
• 23:38
  got rid of those tariffs, you know. I think one
• 23:42
  of the biggest problems in America today, affordability, security, and
• 23:46
  we can help with both. We knock the tariffs down.
• 23:49
  Let's look at affordability. We have the fourth biggest supply
• 23:52
  of oil anywhere on earth. You guys pay a huge
• 23:54
  price discount for our oil because we're effectively, all our
• 23:58
  infrastructure to ship it is north-south, and it's a very
• 24:01
  unique heavy oil. So we accept, unfortunately, and for now,
• 24:07
  a price discount on the oil we send you. which
• 24:10
  can translate into more jobs and paychecks, but also lower
• 24:13
  energy prices. You've got $ 5 a gallon right now in
• 24:15
  lots of places in America. I want to produce more
• 24:20
  so we can sell 2 million more barrels of Canadian
• 24:22
  oil into the U.S.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Market.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And then there's housing. You've got huge housing pressures on
• 24:29
  young people. They can't afford a place to live. We're
• 24:31
  the biggest supplier of lumber for home building of any
• 24:35
  country that imports to the United States, exports to the
• 24:38
  United States. We've got very low cost but high quality
• 24:41
  softwood lumber we could be shipping. Or the best selling
• 24:45
  truck in America for 45 years now is the Ford Series.
• 24:51
  It's aluminum. It's a military grade aluminum body. You guys
• 24:56
  can't make enough aluminum here. You don't have enough bauxite
• 24:58
  or electricity to convert it into aluminum. You get your
• 25:03
  aluminum from us. A tariff does not bring the production
• 25:05
  to America. It raises the price significantly. of the aluminum,
• 25:08
  and therefore the F-series truck. Get rid of that tariff,
• 25:11
  you lower taxes, you lower the cost of an F-series
• 25:14
  truck for the miner in Appalachia or the electrician in Ohio.
• 25:20
  And that's just on the affordability side. There's a lot
• 25:23
  we can do with our minerals to make the continent
• 25:25
  a hell of a lot safer as well. So I
• 25:27
  think it's in America's interest to come towards a tariff-free
• 25:31
  deal and trade freely as friends. And that will be
• 25:36
  good for both of us.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Have you had conversations with Trump about this?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: No, I believe in the rule of one prime minister
• 25:42
  at a time. So I fought like hell to win.
• 25:45
  I didn't win. We came very close. So I've said, listen,
• 25:48
  I'll leave it to the prime minister to do the negotiating.
• 25:52
  And I've said, I'll support him any way I can.
• 25:53
  Even in my visit down here, I'm sending him text
• 25:55
  messages to tell him what's going on, to try and
• 25:58
  support his work. Because what we want, we both want
• 26:01
  what's best for Canada.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Where are your elections now? When do you have the
• 26:05
  next elections?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's this is a strangely hard question to answer because.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: You have a weird system. Yeah, it's weird in comparison
• 26:15
  to ours.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yours are fixed. As you know, ours, we have technically
• 26:18
  fixed election dates, but the government can fall at any time.
• 26:21
  It's very simple. A rule is that if the opposition
• 26:24
  parties bind up and they can vote down the government,
• 26:27
  that is to say, the majority of MPs in the
• 26:29
  House say we've lost confidence in the government. The election
• 26:31
  is now. Or if the prime minister decides he wants
• 26:35
  an election, he can call it and the election is now.
• 26:38
  But it has to be sometime in the next roughly
• 26:41
  three years.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you have a deadline where it has to
• 26:44
  take place?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: But it could happen tomorrow?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow, but like, you know, in
• 26:53
  the next few weeks, if there were a non-confidence vote
• 26:55
  and the government lost it, then they go to an election.
• 26:59
  So it's kind of like the British system.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Well, it is the British system, really. We adopted the
• 27:05
  British system almost identically.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So when you're campaigning, you're essentially, this is like a
• 27:11
  long game. Yeah. You're just laying out your strategy, laying
• 27:15
  out what you would do to make Canada a better place. Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we have two roles. So I said I'm the
• 27:22
  leader of the opposition, but I'm also prime minister in waiting.
• 27:25
  So the notion is that the Canadian people should not
• 27:28
  only have a government, but they should have an alternative.
• 27:30
  And that alternative has two functions, official opposition. It's actually
• 27:34
  called that. I think it's a proper noun of capital O,
• 27:37
  official capital O opposition, and also government in waiting. So
• 27:41
  you have to be prosecuting the government, but you have
• 27:44
  to present to yourself, yourself to people in a way
• 27:46
  where they say, yeah, that guy or that team could
• 27:49
  actually be the government. Those are the dual roles that
• 27:52
  I have to carry out.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Interesting. And How long have you been attempting to become
• 27:58
  prime minister for? How long has this been going on for?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Almost exactly four years because I launched my campaign in
• 28:05
  February of 2022.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Was this something that you had always had in the
• 28:09
  back of your mind?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'd say in the back of my mind, but it
• 28:13
  wasn't something I was set on. I thought maybe in
• 28:18
  my 50s or 60s I would try it, but I
• 28:22
  was in no rush to do that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: How old are you now?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm now 46.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And so what motivated you to do it?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, after COVID, as COVID was unfolding, it
• 28:35
  wasn't just the COVID policies themselves. It was the economic policies.
• 28:40
  Because I've been very focused on economics in my parliamentary career.
• 28:44
  And I was seeing the size and cost of government,
• 28:47
  not just in Canada, but all around the world, growing
• 28:49
  so much. And that inflation was just destroying the working
• 28:54
  class people. and that it was going to get a
• 28:56
  lot worse. And so I ran on the platform of
• 29:00
  making Canada the freest country on earth. We had a
• 29:04
  tradition of freedom in Canada. One of our earliest prime ministers,
• 29:08
  Wilfrid Laurier, was asked, what's Canada's nationality? And he couldn't
• 29:12
  actually list an ethnicity or a religion because we were
• 29:15
  already mixed up even a hundred years ago. We had
• 29:17
  Scots and Irish and First Peoples. So he said, look, yeah, French,
• 29:22
  most of all French and English. First Nations. So he said,
• 29:28
  Canada is free and freedom is its nationality. And I
• 29:31
  wanted to reinstate that idea. I wanted it to be
• 29:33
  the freest country anywhere on earth. And so I ran
• 29:37
  on that platform and won the leadership. And then ran
• 29:40
  in the last election and stayed on after that election.
• 29:43
  That's kind of the last four years of my journey.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And so the way your elections work now, so you're
• 29:51
  essentially just stating your case and going around and talking
• 29:54
  about what policies you would implement and how you would
• 29:57
  do things differently. And just waiting to see.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: How it all plays out. See, our prime minister is
• 30:06
  different than the president. He's actually part of the legislative branch.
• 30:10
  So he comes in to the House of Commons and
• 30:13
  we debate multiple times a week, he and I. So
• 30:16
  it's not just, you know, in your system, the Republican
• 30:19
  and Democrat hold like four debates right before the election.
• 30:22
  In our system, we're always debating. So he comes in,
• 30:25
  he's on one side. I come in, I'm on the
• 30:26
  other side. And I ask him like six consecutive questions
• 30:29
  and then he answers and we go back and forth
• 30:33
  and that's called question period. Then we have these committees
• 30:35
  where we prosecute and propose, uh, on finance, natural resources, healthcare,
• 30:40
  you name it. So we're constantly prosecuting the government, also
• 30:43
  proposing better ideas at the same time. So like the
• 30:46
  other day, I proposed to bring back the auto pack
• 30:48
  between Canada and the U S to have tariff free
• 30:51
  trade going both ways across the border. So that's an
• 30:54
  example of how I'm in a position to actually offer solutions,
• 30:57
  even though I'm not in the government. And then hopefully
• 30:59
  government actually steals my ideas. And I've been encouraging them
• 31:02
  to steal my ideas.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So what is this coffee, by the way? Yes.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I need some caffeine.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Some caffeine there. I'm a terrible caffeine addict.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Me too. Cheers.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Cheers.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre for hooking
• 31:18
  this up. Yes.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: George is a good man.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Great guy. He, uh, He said he's going to have
• 31:24
  me do some pad work with him at some point.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty dangerous.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the time.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic guy.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. He's one of the best representatives
• 31:33
  of martial arts you could ever hope to meet.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: He's got humility. I remember when he came to Parliament
• 31:39
  Hill years ago, and I thought, geez, he's going to
• 31:41
  be– because I thought he'd be cocky and swagger, but
• 31:45
  he was so down to earth.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's so humble.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So much humility.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: For what he's accomplished in MMA– I've, I've introduced him
• 31:51
  to people and they have no idea who he is. Yeah.
• 31:54
  And then I go, that is one of the greatest
• 31:56
  fighters that ever walked the face of the earth. Absolutely.
• 31:58
  No way. He's so nice.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And that's the Canadian way though. Like it's soft spoken
• 32:05
  and gentle and kind, but don't, don't piss us off.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But tough. Yeah. That's where Trump fucked up. I
• 32:13
  wonder what would have happened if he didn't go along
• 32:15
  with that 51st state nonsense. You know, I mean that,
• 32:19
  That is the narrative in this country, like I said,
• 32:21
  that if he didn't do that, that you would have won.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you never know. But I try not to cry
• 32:26
  over spilled milk. I focus on what I have to
• 32:28
  do and live in the present. But this new guy, Malat,
• 32:35
  have you followed him, Mike Malat?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure. I know him.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He's going to be fighting in Winnipeg. I think he's
• 32:40
  the next GSP.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He's very good. You like him? Yeah, he's excellent.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He did a great job in Montreal. You saw him there.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I've been to many of his fights. Is that right? Yeah,
• 32:51
  he's excellent.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: My buddy is his trainer, Crew Allen in Hamilton. He's
• 32:59
  a Hamilton Steel Town guy. We're hoping that he has
• 33:04
  a big win in Winnipeg.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you guys have one of the best gyms in
• 33:07
  the world, TriStar in Montreal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Firas Zahabi. Okay. There's like maybe a handful of great
• 33:15
  masterminds in MMA as far as coaches.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And Firas is at the top of the list. Is
• 33:20
  that right? Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And what's his discipline?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He trained GSP.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Is his discipline karate or kickboxing, Muay Thai?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's… I mean, he's a true mixed martial artist,
• 33:29
  black belt in jiu-jitsu, kickboxing. I mean, he can do everything.
• 33:33
  And TriStar is a place where a lot of people
• 33:36
  from America go up there for their camps.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'll have to drop in and see those guys.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I said, GSP trained
• 33:44
  up there. A lot of fighters trained up there. And
• 33:46
  he also had a great working relationship with a lot
• 33:49
  of people in America. So he would come down and,
• 33:52
  you know, they would exchange fighters back and forth and
• 33:54
  train with each other.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have a great martial arts tradition in Canada.
• 33:59
  I don't know if you know Mike Miles. He brought
• 34:01
  Muay Thai from Thailand to Calgary, like back in the
• 34:06
  70s or 80s, and he still got a great gym there.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Do you know who Jean-Yves Thériault is?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's a buddy of mine.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? From Ottawa, yeah. Oh, no kidding. He was
• 34:15
  a hero of mine when I was a kid.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incredible.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: When I was kickboxing, he was like my idol. Really? Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Does he know that?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I never talked to him.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to see this.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I bought his book. Yeah. I bought his book. I
• 34:27
  started running stairs because of his book.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Because he was talking about how it increased his leg
• 34:31
  muscles and his kicking power.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I remember that. It was in one of his documentaries
• 34:35
  or something. He said his kicks weren't strong enough, so
• 34:37
  he would do stairs. But I went and trained at
• 34:39
  his dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: He was incredible. Yeah. He was one of the truly
• 34:46
  elite kickboxers of his time.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: He was a great boxer. I know he never competed
• 34:51
  as a boxer, but his hands were fantastic. Right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's really what separated him from a lot of
• 34:56
  other people. It was like his accuracy and his technique
• 34:59
  was pristine.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: He told me that he would spend hours studying the
• 35:05
  distances that your limbs would have to travel depending on
• 35:08
  how you moved. He was kind of like a scientist
• 35:12
  in the way he learned and studied. And he was
• 35:14
  all about simplicity and removing anything unnecessary. I think Bruce
• 35:20
  Lee said that. He said, simplicity, hack away at the unnecessary. And, uh,
• 35:24
  you know, how do you, what's the shortest distance to,
• 35:26
  to hit the strike? And, um, he's got a great,
• 35:29
  he's a really good heart too. You know, he had, um,
• 35:33
  he has a jujitsu club as well. And when I
• 35:36
  went in there, there was a blind fellow who was
• 35:38
  into jujitsu, which you can do as a blind person,
• 35:40
  cause it's so much about feel, but with COVID he
• 35:43
  couldn't do jujitsu anymore. Cause they, they, they disallowed that
• 35:46
  kind of close contact. So he actually found a way
• 35:49
  to train this guy with focus mitts, even though he
• 35:52
  was blind. It was really incredible.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it was an incredible amount of patience he
• 35:57
  had invested in making sure this young man could keep
• 35:59
  doing his physical activity throughout COVID.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work, but they
• 36:04
  didn't allow jiu-jitsu?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a government policy or
• 36:08
  if it was a policy at the gym because you're
• 36:10
  just so wrapped up and sweating. The gyms in America,
• 36:14
  everybody just kept going.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Kept going. They hid. They would like put foil over
• 36:19
  the windows and like hide or come in through the
• 36:21
  back door. A lot of the gyms in LA, that's
• 36:23
  what they did.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: They just plowed ahead.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: They just figured out a way to not get in trouble. Right.
• 36:29
  And some people did get caught and get in trouble
• 36:31
  and nothing ever came of it because it's pretty unconstitutional
• 36:35
  to tell people that they can't work out together. Like
• 36:38
  the government really didn't have the right to tell people
• 36:41
  that they couldn't do what they wanted to do. That
• 36:44
  was a legal thing that you can do. Like all
• 36:46
  of a sudden there's this mandate. There's this law or
• 36:51
  rule being passed down or at least it's being promoted
• 36:54
  that you're not allowed to go to a gym and
• 36:57
  work out with other people. But those are the healthiest people.
• 37:02
  Those are the people that are the least likely to
• 37:03
  get sick. Like this is crazy to say. And you
• 37:07
  know if you're sick and if you just have a
• 37:09
  good gym with good people, say, hey, don't show up
• 37:11
  if you're sick. Everybody should be OK. These are the
• 37:14
  people you should worry about the least.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: We need to have common sense again.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And too many.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Governments in the Western world have gotten way too bossy.
• 37:22
  They're just looking for every excuse to boss people around.
• 37:26
  And that's what we have to push back again. And it's,
• 37:28
  you know, EV mandates or, you know, excessive control of
• 37:34
  the internet or the massive increase in the cost of government,
• 37:39
  which is really like appropriating the private voluntary economy into
• 37:43
  the coercive government economy. That's what we're seeing across Europe,
• 37:47
  in the UK, parts of the United States, as well
• 37:50
  as back home. So we need to reverse that trend
• 37:54
  and get people back in charge of their lives.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the narrative has always been that rights lost are
• 38:00
  never regained or are very, very difficult to regain them.
• 38:04
  So how could you reverse that?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean, we did
• 38:09
  regain our rights after COVID and You know, the people
• 38:15
  have to look at the history of it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Which rights did you regain?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Well, all the mandates are gone now.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Of course. But those were ridiculous anyway.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were ridiculous.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And they also impeded business. They ruined people's lives, social lives.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But freedom has always had to be taken. Our tradition
• 38:35
  goes back to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great charter.
• 38:39
  And most of the freedoms we have today were in
• 38:41
  that original document. Right to a jury trial, no arrest
• 38:45
  without charge, no confiscation without compensation, no taxation without representation.
• 38:51
  All comes from that one document, the Magna Carta. And
• 38:55
  it was because King John was taken aside by the barons.
• 38:57
  And they said, listen, pal, this is the choice. Either
• 39:00
  you sign this and follow it or we overthrow you.
• 39:03
  And as a result, we got the Magna Carta. And
• 39:06
  when you guys had your Boston Tea Party and said
• 39:09
  you can't tax our tea because we don't elect you,
• 39:12
  That was an appeal as English. You were Englishman saying,
• 39:15
  I'm not, we're Englishman. We have the right not to
• 39:17
  be taxed unless we vote for it. And we're going
• 39:19
  to throw you out otherwise. But that came out of
• 39:21
  the fields of running meat in England in 1215. So
• 39:26
  it's a long march towards freedom and it's never actually done.
• 39:29
  Like there's no purpose. victories or defeats. You just have
• 39:32
  to keep going forward.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So if you were elected, let's say you get in
• 39:36
  right now, what's one of the first things you would do?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I would unblock our resources. So we have the most
• 39:43
  resources of any country in the world per capita, bar none.
• 39:49
  To make it happen, though, we need to have the
• 39:50
  fastest permits anywhere in the world and the lowest taxes
• 39:54
  on producing those resources. We're the fourth in oil, the
• 39:58
  number one in uranium, number one in potash for fertilizer.
• 40:02
  We are the fifth biggest supplier of natural gas. We
• 40:06
  have the longest oceanic coastline. We have 10 of 12
• 40:11
  of NATO's defined defense minerals. So, you know, you had
• 40:19
  that guy Palmer Lucky on. I don't think he can
• 40:22
  make his stuff without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
• 40:25
  he'll correct me. But like night vision technology, you need
• 40:28
  to have, uh, you need to have germanium for that.
• 40:31
  You need to have gallium to make, uh, semiconductors and radar.
• 40:36
  You need to have aluminum for armored vehicles and airplanes.
• 40:40
  You need cobalt for heat resistant alloys and fighter jets.
• 40:44
  You need tungsten for, uh, body, sorry, um, armor-piercing ammunition.
• 40:50
  We have it all. And what I want to do
• 40:52
  is unblock those resources, produce them in abundance for ourselves
• 40:56
  and our allies, make $ 200, 000 paychecks for our trades workers,
• 41:01
  build up an enormous strategic stockpile of it so that
• 41:04
  we have tons of leverage in international relations. And if,
• 41:08
  God forbid, there is ever a global conflict, we would
• 41:10
  have all the resources necessary to win it. But we
• 41:14
  need to get rid of a lot of laws that
• 41:16
  are blocking and replace them with laws that have fast
• 41:21
  permitting so that we can produce this stuff on scale
• 41:24
  very quickly.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: So is the concern the environmental impact of extracting these things?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Is that what's holding it up? That's the ostensible reason.
• 41:37
  But I just think across the Western world, like Europe, UK,
• 41:43
  parts of the U.S., And Canada, there's a problem with
• 41:46
  bureaucracy just growing way too damn big. Like, you know,
• 41:52
  the First Nations in our country are incredibly forward-looking. The
• 41:55
  Squamish built 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of land.
• 41:59
  You can believe it. In a town, in a city
• 42:02
  of Vancouver where it's very hard to get a permit
• 42:04
  to do anything because it was their land. So they
• 42:06
  did it. They're trying to build, they're building now an
• 42:09
  LNG liquefaction plant where they replaced, uh, an old 30 mils.
• 42:13
  They cleaned it up and put an LNG plant there.
• 42:16
  But the federal government took a lot of time, 14 years,
• 42:19
  to give them a permit. So we need to think
• 42:22
  like they're thinking, which is entrepreneurial, speed of business, get
• 42:26
  it done quickly. That's how you develop. Like we have
• 42:30
  this community in my district, it's called Hardesty, 600 people.
• 42:34
  They manage $ 100 billion of oil in a town of
• 42:37
  600 people. Why is it there? Because their municipality offers
• 42:41
  a permit In one week with one page. And I
• 42:45
  wanted to tell this story. So I called them and
• 42:47
  I said, can I have someone come and do a
• 42:48
  video with me? And they said, we don't have anyone here.
• 42:51
  We don't have like bureaucrats that can help you. They're
• 42:53
  all out on their farms right now. They come in
• 42:55
  and they stamp the permit and they go back to
• 42:56
  their farm. Well, that's why we have a hundred billion
• 42:59
  dollars of energy moving through the area, which is bigger
• 43:01
  than the GDP of many countries because they have fast permits.
• 43:04
  And that's what we need in Canada. We need to
• 43:06
  be the fastest place to get things done.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But don't you think you need some safeguards to protect
• 43:11
  the environment? And how do you balance that out?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Protect it quickly. We can figure out whether a project
• 43:18
  is damaging to the environment in weeks and months rather
• 43:21
  than decades. Like there's nothing you're going to learn in
• 43:23
  year 14 of the review that you couldn't have learned
• 43:26
  in month 14. So there's ways to protect the environment.
• 43:30
  So when the Germans had to break their dependence on
• 43:34
  Russia after it invaded Ukraine, they approved an LNG import
• 43:39
  terminal in 60 days. They completed the whole damn thing
• 43:43
  in less than 200 days. And guess what? No environmental problems.
• 43:47
  They got their engineers to sit down and figure out
• 43:49
  how to do it quickly. And that's the mentality that
• 43:52
  we need to get in Canada.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So what would you be able to do to bypass
• 43:57
  all this bureaucracy? How could that be done legally?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you slim it down to one project, one environmental
• 44:04
  review instead of 20 or 30 You have a fixed
• 44:08
  timeline that the bureaucrats have to give an answer of
• 44:11
  six months rather than just as long as they want
• 44:13
  to drag it on for. And the other thing I
• 44:16
  would do is study areas where they're perfectly situated to
• 44:19
  have a project like a pipeline or a mine or
• 44:21
  an LNG export terminal or a port expansion, and I
• 44:24
  would pre-permit it. I would say, Do our officials go
• 44:27
  in and study, make sure that the environmental aspects are
• 44:29
  all in good order? I'll issue a pre-permit, and then
• 44:32
  anybody who comes along and wants to build it, as
• 44:34
  long as they follow the terms and act responsibly, has
• 44:36
  a guaranteed permit before they even apply for it. And
• 44:41
  I think we would have a roaring economy if we
• 44:43
  did that.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. But the great fear is that if
• 44:48
  you do have an impact on the environment, that impact
• 44:51
  is often permanent, and it's devastating. And I've seen some
• 44:55
  of the oil extraction that they've done up in Alberta
• 44:58
  where you look at the area, it looks like scorched earth. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: It's the most responsible oil extraction in the world.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But when you see these, what is that one area
• 45:11
  that often gets criticized?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Fort Mac.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're open pit mines. You open up a mine,
• 45:17
  you take out the bitumen, you separate the sand from
• 45:19
  the oil. you make it less viscous by putting diluent
• 45:26
  in it and you ship it off. And then after
• 45:28
  the oil is, after the mining is done, they resurface
• 45:31
  it and you wouldn't even know there was a mine there.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And there's no impact to groundwater, no impact to the environment.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's an impact no matter what you do,
• 45:40
  but at the end of the day, the people who
• 45:42
  live there are very healthy and very happy and they're
• 45:44
  the strongest supporters of the expansion.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Of the oil sands.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Because economically, it's an amazing problem.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's incredible. It's the best resource in the world.
• 45:51
  It's like, There's no decline rate. You guys have shale here,
• 45:55
  but as the years go by, you get less and
• 45:57
  less out of a shale reservoir. We have very little decline.
• 46:01
  We can keep producing and producing. We have what's called
• 46:05
  the in situ, where there's an entire oil sands operation
• 46:09
  under your feet. You could be out in a forest hunting,
• 46:11
  and you wouldn't even know that under your feet, they're
• 46:12
  extracting it through a whole system of pipes where they
• 46:15
  inject just steam, steam vapor. That loosens up the oil.
• 46:18
  It sinks down. It goes into another pipe, comes up
• 46:20
  to the top. And you can have beautiful, pristine nature,
• 46:24
  the bears, the deer, the birds. They don't even know
• 46:27
  that there is extraction happening under their feet. So we
• 46:30
  have the best industry, the most responsible industry anywhere in
• 46:33
  the world. It's been a really disgusting PR campaign by
• 46:38
  extremist environmentalists and, frankly, some of our competitors to try
• 46:42
  and make our industry look bad. But it's the best
• 46:44
  industry in the world.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got me. I saw some videos on it
• 46:47
  and I was like, oh my God, what are they
• 46:49
  doing to the ground? What are they doing to the earth?
• 46:51
  It looks horrible.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: It's all bullshit.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It looks horrible.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, that's just a superficial look at it.
• 46:58
  I'll take you for a tour in the oil sands.
• 47:00
  You'll be amazed. We have the best engineers in the world.
• 47:03
  And by the way, the First Nations people absolutely love
• 47:06
  it because it's lifting their people out of poverty. They're
• 47:08
  getting enormous job opportunities out of it. One of our
• 47:11
  MPs is a former chief, uh, the, where they took, uh,
• 47:15
  18% unemployment, brought it down to three, balanced their budget.
• 47:19
  Another one of my members of parliament in Northern British
• 47:21
  Columbia negotiated a $ 40 billion LNG plant on his, uh,
• 47:25
  on the Heisla territory. It's completely eliminating poverty for the
• 47:29
  first nations there. And by exporting clean Canadian natural gas,
• 47:33
  which we can liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as
• 47:36
  hell in Canada. Um, They actually displaced dirty coal overseas.
• 47:41
  So instead of Asia burning coal, they're burning clean Canadian
• 47:44
  gas that's delivered by First Nations partnerships. So this is
• 47:48
  the best way to do it. It makes everybody richer
• 47:51
  and makes our entire continent better off.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems so simple the way you're laying it out.
• 47:56
  I don't understand why this hasn't been implemented.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the story of my life. It's frustrating.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: But it's– is it that simple? Is it really, this
• 48:07
  is what's holding everything up, the bureaucracy and the time
• 48:10
  it takes for permits and. Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of things.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Regulations.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: We have the same thing in housing. And so do you, like,
• 48:17
  if you look at.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: California.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: California is terrible. Like why is there such a housing
• 48:21
  shortage in California? It's because it takes forever to get
• 48:24
  a permit and there's always bureaucracy standing in the way.
• 48:27
  And it totally screws over the working class youth who
• 48:29
  can't find a place to live because they're not being built.
• 48:32
  And we have that challenge in Canada as well. And,
• 48:35
  So that's why I proposed ideas to cut the bureaucracy
• 48:38
  and the taxes so that we can build affordable homes
• 48:40
  for our youth because right now we have a whole
• 48:43
  generation that can't afford homes. And that was one of
• 48:45
  the biggest issues I ran on. Homeownership is necessary for
• 48:49
  family formation, for civil peace in society where everybody feels
• 48:53
  like they have a piece of the pie. We need
• 48:56
  to expand homeownership. But to do that, you've got to
• 48:58
  get the government gatekeepers out of the way, speed up
• 49:01
  the permits, free up the land, cut the development taxes.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So let's assume that you got an office. How much
• 49:10
  time would it take to start implementing these things and
• 49:12
  how quickly would that impact be felt by the Canadian people?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Look, I think a lot of them can move very quickly.
• 49:19
  There's a lot of projects that investors are sitting on,
• 49:23
  but they don't have certainty and permits. So I would
• 49:26
  unblock that. And I think in the first year, you
• 49:28
  would start to see immediate benefits for the working people
• 49:32
  who'd be getting these jobs. Some of it would take
• 49:36
  more and more like a medium term, like The second
• 49:40
  thing I would go after is just the inflationary spending,
• 49:43
  which is a big problem all over the Western world.
• 49:47
  Like people just can't afford to live. I don't know
• 49:51
  if you do. Do you encounter that around here?
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, inflation is crazy. And it's I mean, the
• 49:58
  national debt in America just went up to thirty nine trillion. Right.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Which is bigger than your GDP.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of money.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So so explain this to me. Fifty years ago, a
• 50:07
  barber and a. A barber and a waitress could buy
• 50:11
  a house with a big yard for a dog and
• 50:13
  raise four kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner table
• 50:16
  every night. And now an accountant and a lawyer can't
• 50:19
  do that. Why is that?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of spending and a lot of
• 50:24
  making money. A lot of just turning, you know, just
• 50:29
  making dollar bills with nothing behind it, nothing to back it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: This is the biggest fraud ever. perpetrated on the working
• 50:37
  class people in the last hundred years.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Printing money is just insane. It's just the, the idea
• 50:43
  you just print more money. It's like, and people go, okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Well, it looks, it looks painless at first, but if
• 50:49
  you have an economy with 10 apples and $ 10, it's
• 50:52
  a buck an apple, you double the number of dollars
• 50:55
  to 20, but you still only have 10 apples. Well,
• 50:58
  all of a sudden it's two bucks an apple. It's
• 51:00
  not that the cost of apples has gone up. It
• 51:03
  still costs the same resources to grow the and pick
• 51:05
  the apples. is that the price has gone up because
• 51:08
  the value of the money has gone down. So in America,
• 51:11
  over the last 55 years, you've doubled the number of
• 51:15
  homes in America from about 70 million to 150 million.
• 51:19
  You know how much the money supply has grown? 30 times.
• 51:21
  So you have twice the homes, but 30 times the cash.
• 51:27
  So what's happened? Housing costs have gone up 15 fold
• 51:30
  in 55 years. And now an entire generation of kids
• 51:34
  can't afford homes. We have exactly the same problem in Canada.
• 51:38
  This is the biggest wealth transfer from the working class
• 51:42
  to the elites, from, I say, the have-nots to the have-yachts.
• 51:46
  And Washington and Wall Street love it, by the way,
• 51:49
  because it inflates the stock market, inflates the bureaucracy. Politicians
• 51:53
  get to spend. CEOs get their stocks inflated. But it
• 51:58
  destroys the working people. And we need to get back
• 52:00
  to hard money. Everything should be getting cheaper, by the way.
• 52:04
  You know, it takes 60 to 80% less resources to
• 52:07
  grow food. We grow four times the food on the
• 52:09
  same acre, get four times as much milk from the
• 52:12
  same cow. We use 80% less water and fertilizer. So
• 52:16
  why isn't it that food is not less expensive? It's
• 52:19
  because all of those gains are being erased by monetary inflation.
• 52:24
  So it's not that food is more costly. It's that
• 52:26
  the value, the money we use to buy it has
• 52:28
  less purchasing power. And we need to do what the
• 52:32
  Swiss do, which is they don't print money. They have
• 52:34
  balanced budgets. They have almost no deficit. And they have
• 52:38
  almost zero inflation in Switzerland. They have the strongest money
• 52:41
  in the world, the Swiss franc. And we would all
• 52:44
  be better if we operated like the Swiss when it
• 52:46
  comes to our money.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So in a real-world scenario, it's like you take over Canada.
• 52:52
  How would you go about implementing this?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You've got to cut bureaucracy, consultants. which consume, by the way,
• 52:59
  $ 26 billion of spending.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: How big is your debt in Canada?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, 1.3 ish trillion.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's baby debt.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: It's compared to you. You guys are, we're ridiculous.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Wild.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, you've gotten away with it because the dollar,
• 53:12
  the American dollar is the reserve currency. So all of
• 53:16
  these countries prop up the value of the U S
• 53:18
  dollar by keeping it on reserve. Um, better hope that
• 53:21
  doesn't change.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Better hope.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: And we, we, we don't have that luxury. And so, uh,
• 53:27
  But we do have a lot of debt and we
• 53:29
  have a lot. We have provinces too. They're quite indebted.
• 53:32
  But I would cut the bureaucracy. I would cut consultants,
• 53:36
  foreign aid. I'd cut way back on foreign aid. We
• 53:39
  give a corporate welfare, these checks to corporations. I believe
• 53:42
  business should make money rather than take money. So I
• 53:45
  would get rid of that. We're giving a lot of
• 53:47
  money to fake refugees, people who come in and don't actually,
• 53:55
  they're not actually fleeing danger. Um, like I love real refugees.
• 53:58
  My wife was a refugee, but I have no time
• 54:00
  for people who are pretending, but they're not really.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And what do you mean by pretending to be a refugee?
• 54:05
  How are they doing this?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: They're not actually endangered in their home country. So they've
• 54:08
  come to be declared themselves as students and then wanting
• 54:13
  to stay declaring a refugee status.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, and this is common? Yeah, it happens.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: It happens. And I mean, they just want to have
• 54:20
  a better life. So I don't, I don't begrudge them
• 54:22
  as people, but. We can't spend money on social service,
• 54:26
  stay enhanced social services, advanced programs that we as Canadians
• 54:30
  don't get for people who are not paying into it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: So you're not opposed to them being there. You're opposed
• 54:34
  to them getting Canadian welfare.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm opposed to them. If they're not real refugees,
• 54:39
  they shouldn't be brought in as refugees. I think we
• 54:42
  have to distinguish between those people who are actually in
• 54:45
  danger in their home country, which is the definition of
• 54:47
  a refugee, and someone who just wants to come. in
• 54:51
  excess of their proper immigration scheme.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Is this that common that it's actually affecting your economy?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Right now it's a challenge because we had a big
• 55:01
  number of international students and temporary foreign workers that came
• 55:04
  in in very large numbers in like two or three years.
• 55:08
  We were bringing in about a million people a year,
• 55:11
  which in America's terms would be 10 million, like just
• 55:13
  if you're doing per capita. And it really caused a
• 55:16
  housing shortage. like some places where you have 26 of
• 55:21
  these students living in one basement. So we're trying to
• 55:24
  unwind that now.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: And how do you do that?
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Well, when their work permit and their visitor visa runs out,
• 55:30
  then we have to encourage them to head back lawfully.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Right. But you don't want to do it ICE style. No.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think we need to do that. I
• 55:42
  just think we have to be orderly and lawful about it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And is that supported by the Canadian people? Yes, because.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: we're a very welcoming country. We're a nation of immigrants,
• 55:50
  but we're also a nation of laws. And we, there's
• 55:54
  a general consensus like across the spectrum in Canada that there,
• 55:58
  there was, the population growth was too fast for like
• 56:03
  four or five years. And so we're, we're trying to
• 56:06
  unwind that now.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: What are, what are the other things that you would
• 56:10
  have to do to drop your debt and sort of
• 56:15
  balance your budget and, begin to turn things around.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Well, in addition, so I like this idea that actually,
• 56:22
  believe it or not, that Bill Clinton and the Republicans
• 56:26
  did in the 90s in the US. It was called
• 56:28
  the PAYGO law. It was a very simple principle. Every
• 56:32
  time the administration wanted to bring in a new dollar
• 56:34
  of spending, they had to match it with a dollar
• 56:36
  of savings. So there was no extra net spending for
• 56:41
  like eight years. And that's when your government balanced its
• 56:44
  budget and paid off $ 400 billion of debt. That law
• 56:48
  lapsed in 2002. And immediately after that, America went back
• 56:53
  into deficits and you haven't emerged. You've been in deficit
• 56:56
  now for 25 years. This is about internalizing scarcity. Every
• 57:00
  creature in the universe, every bird in the trees, every
• 57:03
  fish in the seas has to live with scarcity, maximizing
• 57:06
  use of scarce resources. The only creature who doesn't do
• 57:09
  that is the politician because he's always using someone else's money, right?
• 57:13
  It's like, oh, I'll just print it or borrow it
• 57:16
  or tax it. It's not my money. And so they
• 57:18
  routinely show up to their cabinet meetings and say, well,
• 57:21
  I've got a new idea. It's $ 100 million. Where are
• 57:23
  you going to get it?
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: We'll print it. We'll borrow it. We'll tax it. Not
• 57:27
  my money. But if you had a law saying you
• 57:30
  can't actually bring a proposal to cabinet unless you have
• 57:32
  matching savings to pay for it, well, then you'd have
• 57:34
  these politicians walking up and down the hallways in their
• 57:36
  departments looking for waste and like rooting it out. So
• 57:40
  instead of making the single mom, the senior or the
• 57:43
  small business owner live with scarcity, I want the politicians
• 57:46
  and bureaucrats to live with scarcity. And that's what I
• 57:48
  would impose by law on my government.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just a rational way to deal with the problem.
• 57:54
  Like don't spend money unless you could save money. Exactly.
• 57:59
  That's how you balance things out. I mean Clinton did
• 58:01
  balance the budget. He did. During his time and people
• 58:04
  forget that because we've always assumed that there's always been
• 58:06
  this extraordinary debt. But that's not the case. During the 1990s,
• 58:11
  I mean he did a fantastic job at that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Congress was very disciplined as well.
• 58:17
  And the American people just got fed up and said,
• 58:19
  we're not tolerating these deficits anymore. And they imposed scarcity
• 58:23
  from the center. And by the way, the economy boomed
• 58:25
  because the government was restrained and the free market economy
• 58:28
  could just roar. And that's another part of the equation,
• 58:32
  by the way, is unlock the power of free enterprise.
• 58:37
  Like this is the 250th anniversary, not just of the
• 58:40
  Declaration of Independence, but but also of Adam Smith's Wealth
• 58:43
  of Nations, where he basically, for the first time in
• 58:46
  human history, described the free market system. And that was
• 58:51
  starting to flourish in the States and in parts of Europe.
• 58:54
  And that system basically started to come into place after
• 58:58
  the late 1770s. The growth since the free market system
• 59:03
  has come into place in the world has been 200
• 59:06
  times faster than it was before. because there is the
• 59:10
  most powerful system for generating material benefit for the people
• 59:15
  and that's what we need to restore in Canada I
• 59:16
  want to make it the freest economy in the world.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Well that all sounds amazing how the hell did you
• 59:22
  lose How can a rational person not vote for that?
• 59:31
  I mean, you're not saying anything that's restrictive. You're not
• 59:34
  saying anything that is in any way infringing on people's
• 59:38
  rights or liberties. It just sounds like it's just 100%
• 59:42
  positive for Canada.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's my mission. And I think
• 59:46
  it will be positive. And we'll get there. You know,
• 59:49
  Canadians do things through evolution, not revolution. So I'm just
• 59:52
  going to keep pushing my ideas. And I think overwhelmingly
• 59:56
  we'll win the next election.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like– I just can't see how someone
• 1:00:02
  would listen to what you're saying and say I find
• 1:00:04
  fault in this. Other than like the potential environmental impact
• 1:00:09
  of extracting resources, I could see how a lot of
• 1:00:12
  the greenies would get like really upset and get their
• 1:00:14
  panties in a bunch about that and be very incredulous
• 1:00:18
  to the idea that you're going to protect the environment
• 1:00:19
  while you're extracting all these resources. But if you could
• 1:00:22
  lay it all out and also lay out this enormous
• 1:00:25
  economic impact– and how it would uplift impoverished communities, how
• 1:00:30
  it would completely change the economic landscape of the country.
• 1:00:34
  It just only makes sense. That's why I'm baffled.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, the people render their judgment, but it means
• 1:00:42
  I have to do a better job of proselytizing.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: What were the criticisms of you? What did your opponent
• 1:00:48
  say that resonated with people? Um, what were they trying
• 1:00:53
  to say? It was funny because.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: They all disagreed with my ideas and they said, these
• 1:00:57
  are all very scary ideas.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Scary.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And then they said, first of all, they said, they
• 1:01:01
  said that I had no policies. Then they said, uh,
• 1:01:03
  they're scary policies. And then they stole my policies right
• 1:01:06
  before the election. So, uh, but Hey, listen, if the
• 1:01:10
  government that's in power now steals all my ideas and
• 1:01:13
  does the things I want to do, then I, then
• 1:01:14
  I've won. Cause that's why I came here. I didn't
• 1:01:16
  just do it so that I could have the, my
• 1:01:18
  name on the door. So I keep saying to the
• 1:01:20
  Prime Minister, steal my ideas.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Right. But he doesn't want to. Well, he.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I won't criticize them on foreign soil.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I understand. Good for you. Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a mutual respect.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: That's such a Canadian thing to do.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: That is a Canadian thing to do.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: So polite. That's what I'm saying about Canadians. They're so polite.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: It's funny. Your security guy was talking about the Canadian
• 1:01:43
  standoff of when you get to a door, you go first. No,
• 1:01:46
  you go first.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: No, you go first.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: You can stay there all day. I actually looked this
• 1:01:49
  up the other day. Ontario actually has an apology act.
• 1:01:53
  It's a law. that defines the apology because we always
• 1:01:56
  say sorry in Canada. So they wanted to clarify that
• 1:01:58
  sorry is not a legal admission of guilt. So like
• 1:02:01
  we get into a car accident, I say, oh, sorry, man,
• 1:02:03
  I was terrible. Your bumper. It doesn't mean that I'm guilty.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It says actually in law, there's so many apologies. Even
• 1:02:10
  if somebody else screwed up, you say, sorry, that's funny.
• 1:02:13
  That's so Canadian.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But you know, the great thing about Canada is we've
• 1:02:18
  always sorted our shit out peacefully and, Like the Protestants
• 1:02:21
  and Catholics tore each other's eyeballs out in Europe for
• 1:02:24
  like hundreds of years. And then we came to Canada
• 1:02:27
  and just got along. And that's the great thing about
• 1:02:30
  Canada is like you can come, you know, Muslims and Jews,
• 1:02:33
  Christians and, sorry, Protestants and Catholics, Hindus and Sikhs. They
• 1:02:39
  come to Canada and they just get along. They live
• 1:02:41
  on the same streets. Eventually we all start intermarrying and
• 1:02:45
  it's a great thing about Canada.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it really is a great melting pot, you know. Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And, and like folks get to keep their, their cultures, like, uh,
• 1:02:53
  at the same time as, uh, blending into the Canadian identity.
• 1:02:57
  Like my wife, my wife's from Venezuela. And, uh, so like,
• 1:03:01
  you know, oftentimes I, like I'm, I'm in the house
• 1:03:03
  and there's like 16 Latinos and they're all speaking Spanish.
• 1:03:06
  I have no idea what the hell's going on. And, uh,
• 1:03:09
  they have this food, it's called the Jacas. And I said,
• 1:03:12
  they don't, they start, start cooking this stuff. I thought my,
• 1:03:14
  I said, I'm going to have to Did your mom
• 1:03:16
  just call me a jackass? Because that's what it sounded like.
• 1:03:20
  I don't speak any Spanish, but... You should probably learn.
• 1:03:23
  I should now.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: They're yapping in your house. You should know what they're planning.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: It's a great... My kids are starting to learn Spanish,
• 1:03:28
  so I'm going to be outnumbered.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you better learn it.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Bye. So what else is an issue in Canada that
• 1:03:37
  you would like to fix?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Can you toss me those napkins? I've got an allergy
• 1:03:44
  I'm dealing with. We've got to toughen up our justice system.
• 1:03:48
  It got way too soft.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with your justice system?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Basically, bail. I mean, we all believe in the basic
• 1:03:56
  principle that you're innocent until proven guilty. But if someone's convicted,
• 1:04:01
  have like 150 prior convictions, and they're newly arrested on
• 1:04:04
  their latest crime, I don't think we should be releasing
• 1:04:08
  them onto the streets. And, uh, so we got two
• 1:04:10
  lacks on bail. So there's now a consensus in Canada
• 1:04:14
  that you should have severe restrictions on repeat offenders. Like
• 1:04:18
  in Vancouver, they had to arrest the same 40 guys, 6,000
• 1:04:22
  times in one year, 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So they're
• 1:04:27
  basically being released within hours of their latest arrest. So we're, we're,
• 1:04:31
  we now brought built up bipartisan, multi-partisan consensus to fix that. And, uh,
• 1:04:37
  we're pushing to toughen the bail system. and ensure that
• 1:04:42
  it's the repeat offenders, the tiny group. We don't have
• 1:04:44
  a lot of criminals in Canada, but they do a
• 1:04:46
  tremendous amount of crime. So if you take them off
• 1:04:48
  the street, you put them in prison, you can basically
• 1:04:51
  reduce the crime rate dramatically.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we probably have more crime percentage-wise in America, but
• 1:04:57
  it's still a small percentage of the population that commits
• 1:05:00
  the crime. Yeah. But it's the same issue. Like in
• 1:05:02
  New York City, it's extraordinary, the amount of people that
• 1:05:05
  are repeat offenders. Yeah. And they just let them go.
• 1:05:08
  In California, no cash bail. Let them go. It's like
• 1:05:11
  it is bananas and it doesn't make any sense and
• 1:05:14
  it doesn't make anybody help. I understand you want to
• 1:05:17
  be empathetic and I understand these narratives that the prison
• 1:05:20
  system is racist and the justice system is racist and
• 1:05:23
  these people have never been given a great shake in life. Well,
• 1:05:27
  if you want to fix that, start in these impoverished neighborhoods.
• 1:05:31
  Establish community centers. Establish better education. Fund that. But don't
• 1:05:36
  let hardened criminals back on the street when they're habitual.
• 1:05:42
  If you've been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't seem
• 1:05:45
  like you're getting any better. So whatever rehabilitation process they
• 1:05:49
  have going on there, that's not working. So keep doing
• 1:05:52
  the same thing over and over again. Unless you like crime,
• 1:05:56
  I don't understand why you would do that.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: This has been, you know, it's imposed by these so-called experts.
• 1:06:01
  They tell, oh, we've done all these studies that show
• 1:06:03
  that the soft on crime policies work. But everywhere it's
• 1:06:06
  been tried, it's been an absolute disaster, anywhere in the
• 1:06:09
  Western world. We have a town called Penticton. There's one
• 1:06:13
  guy who the police can tell by looking at the
• 1:06:16
  crime rate, whether he's been in jail or not. When
• 1:06:19
  he comes out of jail, the crime rate for the
• 1:06:21
  entire town of Penticton actually goes up.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: But you just keep him in prison.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: That seems so simple to solve. It's like There's so
• 1:06:30
  many of these problems with government that it's just like
• 1:06:32
  rational thinking.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: One of the great interviews that I loved about you,
• 1:06:37
  you were eating an apple. And you were talking to
• 1:06:40
  this guy who was being completely ridiculous. You were asking
• 1:06:42
  him to define the issues that he had. And it
• 1:06:45
  was so funny. It was like this is what happens
• 1:06:46
  when a rational person meets a person with empty narratives.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It was such a weird moment because– You.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Just kept eating that apple.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: It was such a good apple.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, I didn't even realize I was
• 1:07:00
  being taped. I thought it was a print interview. Oh,
• 1:07:02
  that's hilarious. That's why I think I was so relaxed.
• 1:07:07
  So I'm in the most beautiful place in the world.
• 1:07:09
  If you haven't been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable. It's lakes,
• 1:07:13
  it's mountains, it's nice dry weather, and there's orchards and
• 1:07:17
  vineyards there.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: You'd love it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm walking
• 1:07:22
  around just talking with people. And my staff says, this
• 1:07:24
  reporter wants to do an interview and I'm enjoying the apple.
• 1:07:26
  He comes up, starts asking questions. Nobody who was there
• 1:07:30
  thought this was a moment. Like we'd thought nothing of it.
• 1:07:33
  We dumped the whole thing. My, my staff unbeknownst to
• 1:07:35
  me was recording my whole walk. We dumped this 15
• 1:07:37
  minute video on the internet. No one noticed it. And
• 1:07:40
  like three weeks later, my phone blows up and people say, Hey,
• 1:07:43
  how about that apple? I'm like, what is he, what
• 1:07:45
  are they talking about? This apple thing. And then within
• 1:07:48
  three days, everybody's talking to me about this damn apple
• 1:07:51
  that I had almost forgotten about eating.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that conversation sort of embodied this issue. It really
• 1:08:00
  did because you have rational thinking and empty narratives colliding
• 1:08:06
  while you're eating an apple. Like you're so casual about it,
• 1:08:09
  you're actually eating an apple, which was so perfect. I
• 1:08:11
  mean you couldn't– if you planned on– like if you
• 1:08:14
  had a PR team– think you should be eating an apple.
• 1:08:16
  They'd be like, Ooh, I like it. So he's casual.
• 1:08:20
  He's eating fruit. It's healthy. You know, it.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Was totally coincidence. Like out of nowhere, not planned and
• 1:08:26
  not even noticed. Like I said, no one there thought
• 1:08:29
  this was going to be a moment. We just like
• 1:08:31
  totally forgot about it.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it made it in America. It was viral in America.
• 1:08:35
  And we were like, how come that guy's not the
• 1:08:37
  prime minister? What the hell's going on?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Well, in the meantime, you can buy ambrosio apples from
• 1:08:41
  the South Okanagan. I'm really plugging a lot of sales
• 1:08:44
  for the Canadian economy today.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I found out about Canadian maple syrup?
• 1:08:51
  What's that? It is actually a superfood and it is
• 1:08:53
  actually better for you than honey. Is that right? Yeah.
• 1:08:57
  It contains a bunch of polyphenols and a bunch of
• 1:09:00
  like healthy nutrients. I always thought maple syrup was just
• 1:09:03
  a guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's a totally Canadian thing.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: But apparently it's really good for you.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: So you take it before your workout?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: No, no. I just watched a Instagram video yesterday. Somebody
• 1:09:13
  sent it to me and I was like, what is this?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: We'll have to send you a bunch of maple syrup
• 1:09:17
  from Canada.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got a bunch. I've had a bunch of
• 1:09:18
  Canadian friends send me some. We actually have a.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Maple syrup reserve in Canada, like a reserve of excess stockpiles.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Like an oil reserve?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This is something
• 1:09:27
  I want to change. I want to have an oil reserve,
• 1:09:30
  but I also want to keep the maple syrup reserve
• 1:09:31
  because we're Canadians after all. There's nothing more Canadian than that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe it's good for you.
• 1:09:37
  Make sure that's true. I mean, in what way is
• 1:09:40
  it good? Are there nutrients? Let's put it into perplexity. No,
• 1:09:45
  I did. Our sponsor.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: I compared it versus honey. I'll give you what it showed.
• 1:09:48
  I'm not saying it's better.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Maple syrup and honey are both sugary, but maple syrup
• 1:09:53
  is slightly lower in calories. Glycemic index has more minerals
• 1:09:56
  like manganese and calcium, while honey is a bit higher
• 1:10:02
  in calories, has a slightly stronger impact on blood sugar. Well,
• 1:10:06
  this guy on Instagram was very convincing. I wish I
• 1:10:10
  saved it.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's convincing. I think you should go with it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I'm in it. I'm done.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Stick with it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Tastes better, too.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put that with a
• 1:10:19
  little bit of Greek yogurt, your protein.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's what I do. Greek yogurt. And maple syrup.
• 1:10:24
  Maybe we'll start a trend. Because everybody uses honey on
• 1:10:27
  their yogurt.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: No, maple syrup from Canada. Because if it's not from Canada,
• 1:10:31
  it's not the real deal.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of fake syrup, right?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of junk out there. When you go
• 1:10:35
  to a pancake house and they have that stuff in
• 1:10:37
  the little plastic cups, that's garbage.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Corn syrup crap. Yeah, you don't want to have that.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: That's manufactured crap.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the case with honey as well. I had
• 1:10:44
  a woman in here once that was a beekeeper, and
• 1:10:46
  she was explaining to us that a lot of honey
• 1:10:49
  is not actually honey. They water it down with corn syrup.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: There's so much shit in our food these days.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I believe in eating clean.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Well, I mean, that was one of
• 1:11:00
  the primary factors for me supporting this administration was RFK Jr.
• 1:11:06
  in this Make America Healthy Again initiative. Because I think,
• 1:11:09
  you know, I had my friend Brigham Bueller yesterday from
• 1:11:12
  Ways to Well on. And, you know, we hammered this
• 1:11:16
  many times over and over again, but people need to
• 1:11:18
  hear it. We spend more money on health care and
• 1:11:21
  we're sicker than we've ever been before. And we have
• 1:11:24
  more chronic illness and we have more money. None of
• 1:11:27
  it makes any sense. It's completely ridiculous. And it's obvious
• 1:11:30
  that people are eating the wrong things. And there was
• 1:11:32
  so much outrage of him implementing all these healthy choices
• 1:11:36
  and trying to get rid of dyes that are illegal
• 1:11:38
  in Canada. Like the same cereals that the same factory
• 1:11:44
  sells in Canada, they sell with natural dyes. And in America,
• 1:11:48
  we demand them to be more colorful. So we put
• 1:11:50
  poison in them. Really?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think are the dietary habits that are
• 1:11:59
  making people in the Western world sick right now? Is
• 1:12:03
  it the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the carbs?
• 1:12:06
  There's a lot of things. What's getting people?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things. First of all, it's processed foods.
• 1:12:11
  Processed foods is an enormous percentage of a lot of
• 1:12:15
  Americans' diets. Things with massive amounts of preservatives in them.
• 1:12:19
  And that's... Like if you want like a general guideline,
• 1:12:23
  eat real food. Eat real eggs, real vegetables, real meat,
• 1:12:28
  real fish. You'll be healthier. As soon as you start
• 1:12:31
  having things that can sit on a shelf forever, except
• 1:12:33
  things like rice and normal beans, like things that are dried,
• 1:12:37
  that makes sense. They could sit there. But if something
• 1:12:39
  can just sit on a shelf for a long period
• 1:12:42
  of time and you consume it, how is it just
• 1:12:44
  not rotting? Exactly. I'm sure you've seen where they've taken
• 1:12:47
  a McDonald's Big Mac. And they've just let it sit.
• 1:12:50
  Take a cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls
• 1:12:53
  it out like 10 years later. It looks exactly the same.
• 1:12:55
  That's not food.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They looked at
• 1:12:58
  it and they were like, I'm not eating that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: If bacteria doesn't eat it, mold doesn't eat it, that's crazy.
• 1:13:03
  Why are you eating it? Like there's something in it
• 1:13:05
  preventing the mold from growing. What is that? Well, that
• 1:13:09
  stuff fucks with your gut bacteria. It's terrible for your body. Exactly.
• 1:13:14
  Empty calories. And we consume an enormous amount of processed
• 1:13:18
  food in this country. And if you want to be
• 1:13:21
  a healthier person, eat real fruit, eat real food, eat
• 1:13:24
  real vegetables, eat real meat. It's that simple. That would
• 1:13:29
  fix 90 percent of our problems when it comes to nutrition.
• 1:13:32
  People's diets.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And we, when my, my wife once looked at some
• 1:13:37
  of the baby formula we had and she said, she
• 1:13:39
  looked on it, she said, there's no expiry date on this.
• 1:13:41
  This never goes bad.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: That can't be, that can't be a good thing.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Meanwhile, breast milk, you have to freeze, right?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: So, uh, and then what about on the, like the
• 1:13:51
  fitness side, what do you think we can do? I mean,
• 1:13:54
  beyond you, you've done a lot just talking about it
• 1:13:56
  and with your, the size of your audience, you've probably
• 1:13:59
  got a lot of people off the couch. But what
• 1:14:01
  policies do you think we could push that would get
• 1:14:04
  people physically active, working out, moving again?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Well, the real important thing is community. The easiest way
• 1:14:11
  to get fit is to get around a bunch of
• 1:14:13
  other people that are also involved in the same endeavor.
• 1:14:16
  If you have a bunch of friends that are unhappy
• 1:14:19
  with the way their life is, just go walk together. Say, hey, guys,
• 1:14:23
  let's all go for a walk after dinner together. Let's
• 1:14:26
  all decide as a neighborhood. To go walk. Just walk
• 1:14:30
  for a half an hour after your meals. It will
• 1:14:31
  lower your glycemic index. It will change your body. It
• 1:14:35
  will make you healthier. You'll feel better. It just does
• 1:14:39
  so much for you, just movement and activity. And if
• 1:14:43
  you're involved with a group of people that are also
• 1:14:46
  inclined in the same direction, they're also trying to get better,
• 1:14:50
  trying to get fit, then you kind of– you feed
• 1:14:53
  off of your atmosphere. People imitate the people that are
• 1:14:56
  around them. And you get support from the people that
• 1:14:59
  are around them. Make it a little healthy competition. Who
• 1:15:02
  can do the most exercise and who can do the
• 1:15:06
  most– whatever it is, like whether it's a sport or
• 1:15:10
  whether it's a game or whether it's just something that
• 1:15:12
  you enjoy doing that's physically taxing slightly. It doesn't have
• 1:15:18
  to be a crazy kettlebell workout or a jiu-jitsu class.
• 1:15:21
  Just take a walk. Just if the world, if the
• 1:15:26
  United States or Canada or anybody that's got problems with
• 1:15:30
  their health just decided to start walking every day for
• 1:15:33
  20 minutes, it'll change your life.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: And then add things to it. Add some body weight squats.
• 1:15:38
  Add some push-ups. Skip a little rope.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Do something. Take a yoga class. It'll change your life. Right. Absolutely.
• 1:15:45
  You need activity. The human body has needs. And when
• 1:15:50
  those needs are not met and your biological requirements aren't met,
• 1:15:54
  you develop anxiety. You get overweight. Your muscles atrophy. Your
• 1:15:59
  bone density decreases. You can't open up a jar anymore.
• 1:16:02
  There's all these problems that can be solved with just
• 1:16:05
  simple movement and activity. You don't have to become a
• 1:16:08
  fitness nut. You don't have to become a gym rat.
• 1:16:11
  You just do something and that alone and then change
• 1:16:14
  what you eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking soda. Stop
• 1:16:20
  drinking so much alcohol. Stop eating processed food. If we
• 1:16:24
  just slowly but surely get this in people's heads. For
• 1:16:28
  the longest time, people didn't think there was anything wrong
• 1:16:31
  with eating processed food. They didn't think there was anything
• 1:16:33
  wrong with– they thought sugar just gave you extra calories.
• 1:16:37
  That's it. They didn't realize the catastrophic health consequences. of
• 1:16:40
  consuming all this sugar, the increase in type 2 diabetes,
• 1:16:43
  all these problems that people are having because of poor
• 1:16:47
  diets and a lack of movement.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: What's your theory, though, on how that happened? Why did
• 1:16:51
  that happen? What caused millions of people to shift their
• 1:16:56
  diets away from good, wholesome, real food towards the processed garbage?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, marketing, right? And availability, right? They
• 1:17:07
  always say the center of the grocery store is what
• 1:17:10
  you should avoid because the center is all the stuff
• 1:17:12
  that doesn't need to be refrigerated, right? Everything on the outskirts,
• 1:17:15
  all the vegetables and the fruit and the meats and
• 1:17:17
  the milk, that's all the stuff that's healthy because it
• 1:17:19
  has to be refrigerated. Because if it's not, it goes bad.
• 1:17:21
  Things that can just sit on a shelf. But things
• 1:17:24
  that sit on a shelf forever, those are the things
• 1:17:26
  that are the easiest to profit from. Because you don't
• 1:17:29
  have to worry about storage. You don't have to worry
• 1:17:30
  about refrigeration when you're processing or when you're moving them
• 1:17:33
  and transporting them. You know, just education is the most
• 1:17:38
  important thing because there's a lot of people that don't
• 1:17:40
  know how much their diet impacts them. And then there's
• 1:17:43
  also the problems that happen in this country where the
• 1:17:45
  sugar industry literally bribed scientists to pass the blame on
• 1:17:50
  saturated fat and pretend that this was the cause of
• 1:17:54
  all these heart issues that people were having and all
• 1:17:56
  the obesity, that it was just fat. So then people
• 1:17:58
  started eating all these seed oil rich foods like mayonnaise
• 1:18:03
  or excuse me, like margarine and corn oil and canola oil.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: When it's better just to have tallow or butter.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's like natural food. Your body knows what to
• 1:18:13
  do with it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Beef is like a superfood. A nice fatty piece of beef,
• 1:18:18
  best thing.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: You can eat. It's so good for you.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: You've got iron, you've got fat, you've got protein and creatine.
• 1:18:24
  It's all packed in that one superfood.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: It is and people– there's a lot of people that
• 1:18:29
  live very healthily off a carnivore diet and that astounds people.
• 1:18:32
  They don't understand it because they've been pushed into this idea. Well,
• 1:18:36
  one of the things they did in America that's great
• 1:18:38
  is they reversed the food pyramid. Our food pyramid was
• 1:18:40
  all grains at the bottom. It was all wheat and grains,
• 1:18:44
  which is– like there's nothing wrong with eating that as
• 1:18:47
  long as you're being smart about it. You don't eat
• 1:18:49
  too much of it. But if that's your primary diet, like,
• 1:18:52
  guess what? Your insulin is going to spike. You're going
• 1:18:54
  to be hungry all the time. You're going to get fat.
• 1:18:57
  This is not good. It's not good to eat.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: When I cut the carbs out and I went basically
• 1:19:01
  into ketosis, I felt great because instead of having all
• 1:19:06
  the ups and downs, when my blood sugar was down,
• 1:19:09
  when you're in ketosis, you, um, you basically live off
• 1:19:12
  your fat stores.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: You have like a consistent flow of energy whenever you
• 1:19:16
  need it. Cause I've obviously I've got some here and,
• 1:19:20
  and so, uh, I, I feel lighter. I have to
• 1:19:22
  sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as much
• 1:19:24
  cause I don't, I don't eat the big heavy carbs.
• 1:19:26
  I cheat once in a while, but, but the big
• 1:19:28
  heavy carbs that your body breaks down, you gotta, you
• 1:19:31
  gotta sleep more to work through all those heavy carbs.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: So You feel it when you eat them. I love carbs.
• 1:19:37
  Don't get me wrong. Like I love, I'm Italian. I
• 1:19:39
  love spaghetti. Right. I love pizza. I love Italian subs.
• 1:19:43
  I love them, but I eat them sparingly.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: And when I eat them, I feel it. I feel it.
• 1:19:47
  Like it's amazing while you're eating it. And then you're like, oh,
• 1:19:50
  you got hit with a tranquilizer dart. It's just not good.
• 1:19:54
  It's not good for you. If I eat a steak,
• 1:19:55
  I feel great. If I eat a steak, I don't feel,
• 1:19:59
  I don't feel in any way tired after I'm done.
• 1:20:02
  I don't feel exhausted. Like completely full. Also, they have
• 1:20:06
  a high satiety rate. Like if you eat just steak,
• 1:20:10
  you're only going to eat what you need. Like your
• 1:20:12
  body knows when to stop. But if there's mashed potatoes
• 1:20:16
  next to the steak and spaghetti next to the steak
• 1:20:18
  and bread and all these other things, you're just going
• 1:20:20
  to keep eating. Exactly. And then cake and butter and–
• 1:20:22
  not butter. Cake and– ice cream and all this other stuff,
• 1:20:26
  you're going to keep eating and you're going to consume
• 1:20:28
  excess calories.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: But beef is really expensive now. Like, it's really hard
• 1:20:32
  to put a steak on your plate. For the average guy,
• 1:20:35
  it's insane. It's twice as expensive as pork in Canada
• 1:20:38
  right now.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there's also this dumb narrative that cows are responsible
• 1:20:42
  for climate change, which is just absolutely insane. And whoever
• 1:20:46
  started promoting that needs to go to jail because you've
• 1:20:49
  done a terrible disservice to people, especially regenerative farming that's,
• 1:20:54
  you know, actually sequesters carbon.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: And it's healthy for you.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: No, the farming, the ranchers in my area are fantastic.
• 1:21:02
  They produce an incredible product. North America has the smallest
• 1:21:06
  cattle herd since 1951 this year.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Very small herd, and that's why it's so hard to
• 1:21:12
  get beef. Why is that? I think there's been a
• 1:21:16
  demand spike in the last couple of years. Beef prices
• 1:21:20
  were low for long, so a lot of ranchers got
• 1:21:22
  out of it. They just said, I can't stay in
• 1:21:24
  this business losing money every year. And then all of
• 1:21:26
  a sudden, prices started to go up. And moods have
• 1:21:31
  changed a lot on beef, even in the last three,
• 1:21:33
  four years. So now they're trying to keep up with
• 1:21:36
  the demand. But I'm happy to see the ranchers doing well.
• 1:21:41
  But I'd sure like to see middle-class families to be
• 1:21:43
  able to afford to have beef again. Um, but you know,
• 1:21:47
  my theory on one of the reasons why the marketing
• 1:21:50
  has shifted towards all this processed crap. And this goes
• 1:21:53
  back to my obsession, which is inflation, because instead of
• 1:21:57
  just raising the prices, they downgrade the quality of the food.
• 1:22:01
  They strip out the nutrients and they inject garbage into
• 1:22:05
  our food. Uh, the, the, the companies do that is
• 1:22:10
  ultimately less nutritious, but if the price tag doesn't necessarily
• 1:22:13
  look like it's changing. So it's one of the more
• 1:22:16
  insidious ways that the system is able to charge you
• 1:22:20
  to pass inflationary costs on without you seeing it in
• 1:22:24
  the price tag that's underneath the product.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: They also engineer food to be compulsive. Like you're more compulsive.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. Especially like chips and stuff like that in America.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: What country do you think does nutrition the best around
• 1:22:38
  the world?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. Well, Germany. Japan has one
• 1:22:42
  of the lowest obesity rates, right? And when you look
• 1:22:45
  at Japanese food, like what is it? It's like fish
• 1:22:48
  and rice and vegetables and it's– they don't use glyphosate
• 1:22:53
  I don't think. I think the way they process their
• 1:22:56
  wheat is very different than ours. We have higher glycemic–
• 1:23:01
  we have higher gluten in our wheat because like we
• 1:23:05
  have more complex glutens in our wheat. So we have
• 1:23:06
  higher yield rates. And then on top of that, they
• 1:23:09
  dry all the weed out with glyphosate at the end,
• 1:23:11
  which is fucking terrible for you. And they were trying
• 1:23:15
  to ban that in America, but then Trump passed an
• 1:23:19
  executive order stopping it. So this is one of the
• 1:23:23
  things that Kennedy kind of ran on is that he
• 1:23:25
  wanted to stop the ubiquitous use of glyphosate. And especially
• 1:23:30
  glyphosate used with wheat to dry it out. So it's
• 1:23:35
  not used as an herbicide. It's used to dry out
• 1:23:39
  the wheat at the end so that it doesn't get moldy,
• 1:23:42
  which is crazy. You're spraying poison on wheat. And most Americans,
• 1:23:49
  if you test them, have glyphosate in their blood. And
• 1:23:52
  the apologists will say, oh, but it's at safe levels. Well,
• 1:23:55
  we don't even really know what that means. We're talking
• 1:23:57
  about decades and decades of consuming this stuff. That can't
• 1:24:01
  be good. I mean it literally kills plants. It destroys
• 1:24:05
  gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would be better.
• 1:24:08
  When you eat overseas, like if I eat pasta or
• 1:24:11
  bread in Italy, you feel better. It doesn't kill you
• 1:24:15
  like it does in America. You don't get that same feeling. Interesting.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about glyphosate. Do you guys.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Use glyphosate in Canada?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. I feel bad saying that,
• 1:24:29
  but I should do my homework on that one.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: We have corn that's engineered to survive glyphosate. We have
• 1:24:34
  Roundup Ready corn. So that you could spray glyphosate on
• 1:24:38
  the corn that kills all the other things that you
• 1:24:40
  don't want growing. Okay. But how is that– how can
• 1:24:44
  that be good? Like most– like they did a test
• 1:24:48
  of California wines and what was the number? It was
• 1:24:53
  like some preposterous number of California wines tested positive for glyphosate.
• 1:24:59
  Is that right? Like in the high 90s I think.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Which is just nuts. Yeah.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about glyphosate.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I have to admit.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you've piqued my curiosity.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: The problem is in America, our food system is entirely
• 1:25:14
  dependent on it at this point. They want to change it.
• 1:25:16
  And so there's a lot of strategies. One of them
• 1:25:18
  is they have these machines that use lasers and these
• 1:25:23
  lasers go over a field that actually target the weeds.
• 1:25:27
  So instead of spraying poison on them. They just zap
• 1:25:30
  these weeds and they can identify the difference between the
• 1:25:32
  weed and the crop. Really? Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: The wine was 10 out of 10 tested.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: 10 out of 10.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the Japanese obesity thing.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: They have an interesting law that they put in place
• 1:25:42
  in 2008 where I believe it says workplaces have to
• 1:25:46
  measure people's waist of adults over 40 to find out
• 1:25:51
  if they're potentially overweight.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: Those people don't get fined. The companies get fined. So
• 1:25:56
  they have to then provide them counseling, diet advice, exercise.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Guidance, etc. Wow.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: And they also use a lower BMI than we do.
• 1:26:04
  Theirs starts at 25. It says it's because they have
• 1:26:07
  a higher risk in Asian populations for obesity.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder why that is. I wonder if that's
• 1:26:17
  because of a lot of rice consumption.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: Way lower. Four to six percent compared to 42 percent.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's crazy. Their obesity rates are four to six percent.
• 1:26:28
  And we're 42. 42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: We've got to find out what the Japanese are doing.
• 1:26:36
  My next stop has got to be Tokyo.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food. But that does make sense.
• 1:26:42
  I mean implementing something like that, it sounds very restrictive,
• 1:26:45
  you know. I mean, I don't want to tell a
• 1:26:47
  guy he can't have a gut. Like, I have a
• 1:26:49
  lot of friends that are fat, and I love them
• 1:26:51
  to death. I'd like them to be healthy, but I wouldn't,
• 1:26:55
  you know, I don't believe you should have that kind
• 1:26:57
  of control over people.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I think you should encourage healthy behavior. I don't think
• 1:27:02
  you should mandate it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need carrots, not sticks.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Carrots, literally.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Literally.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: But the system is like, you know, I think of
• 1:27:11
  the opioid thing. That's an incredible story, really. That's a
• 1:27:15
  horrible story. That's a horrible story.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: And, you know, the fact that no one's going to
• 1:27:19
  jail for that is infuriating.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: They should.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: What they did and what the deception that they used
• 1:27:26
  to pretend that that stuff is not addictive, that it's
• 1:27:29
  not the same as heroin, is just absolutely atrocious. And
• 1:27:33
  the fact that they got away with it and that
• 1:27:36
  the Sackler family, just that one family. I don't know
• 1:27:38
  if you've ever seen the Netflix docudrama series. Yeah. Painkiller.
• 1:27:43
  Was it called Painkiller?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: They're the guys from Purdue, right? Purdue Pharma.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I think they were Purdue Pharma.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken. I mean, how many lives were
• 1:27:53
  destroyed by that?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Well, half a million ended in the U.S.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: And 50,000 in Canada. We lost more people in the
• 1:28:03
  last 10 years to opioid overdoses than we lost fighting
• 1:28:07
  in the Second World War.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's so crazy.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: And we, you know, these companies... I mean, it started
• 1:28:13
  in the States with Purdue and a number of others
• 1:28:17
  where they basically started lying to the system. And they
• 1:28:21
  actually paid bonuses to distributors for every overdose they caused.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: They actually tracked the overdoses and then paid bonuses to
• 1:28:30
  distributors because that was an indicator of how successfully they
• 1:28:34
  were pushing the drugs onto doctors and pharmacists and the system.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: It all came out. in the court because there was
• 1:28:41
  a huge lawsuit and the companies had to pay $ 50
• 1:28:44
  billion because of an American government lawsuit against them. But
• 1:28:49
  they actually paid bonuses for overdose rates.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: That is insane. It's wild.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: And they basically, they were very Very strategic. They said,
• 1:28:58
  we're going to go to working class neighborhoods where there's
• 1:29:02
  huge unemployment. So, you know, in the Rust Belt of America,
• 1:29:06
  where people were out of work and they obviously had
• 1:29:08
  some minor industrial injuries and said, you know, this will
• 1:29:11
  solve every ache and pain. Take OxyContin. And it felt
• 1:29:15
  great when they first started taking it. And then it
• 1:29:17
  spread into Canada as well. And then it mutated in
• 1:29:21
  from OxyContin into fentanyl, which is a hundred times more
• 1:29:24
  powerful than heroin. It can stop your lungs in 15 seconds.
• 1:29:29
  Just absolutely deadly. And we, you know, these companies, these
• 1:29:34
  dirtbag companies should be paying hundreds of billions of dollars
• 1:29:38
  to cover the treatment and recovery of the people whose
• 1:29:42
  lives have been ruined by this.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just insane that they only had to pay
• 1:29:46
  a percentage of the amount of money that they profited.
• 1:29:50
  It is insane.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: They should have gone to jail.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: They should have had to pay– first of all, give
• 1:29:55
  all the money back. Yeah. I mean what you did
• 1:29:58
  was unbelievably evil. Absolutely. And you were allowed to profit
• 1:30:03
  from it, which is crazy. For years. Even the Sackler family,
• 1:30:06
  the amount that they got fined was a small percentage
• 1:30:09
  of what they actually made.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how people live with themselves when they
• 1:30:12
  do that.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: They're sociopaths. They have to be.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: They basically got into the entire system, the healthcare system,
• 1:30:18
  the medical community, and they pushed these over-prescriptions– Um, and
• 1:30:24
  then they got this crazy idea that they pushed in
• 1:30:26
  places like Portland and Seattle and San Francisco that the
• 1:30:30
  government should start giving out opioids that are safer than
• 1:30:33
  the ones that are on the street as an alternative
• 1:30:35
  to keep people from having contaminated drugs, which made the
• 1:30:39
  problem even worse because those, the, the, the addicts would
• 1:30:42
  sell those to kids so that they could buy the
• 1:30:44
  harder stuff off the street and it expanded it even more. And, um,
• 1:30:49
  So one of the things we're focused on, my plan,
• 1:30:52
  is massive treatment and recovery programs to get people off drugs.
• 1:30:56
  Abstinence-based treatment is incredible. It's very successful, and we're saving
• 1:31:01
  lives now in Canada. You get them in, you get
• 1:31:03
  them counseling, group therapy treatment, sweat lodges for First Nations,
• 1:31:09
  people's physical exercise is a big part of it. I
• 1:31:12
  went to one treatment center in Saskatchewan, and they actually
• 1:31:15
  bought these rusted-out weights. And they had the guys like
• 1:31:18
  lifting weights. And the bureaucrats are saying, well, why are
• 1:31:20
  you spending money on weights? What does that have to
• 1:31:22
  do with it? And he says, well, it's been the
• 1:31:23
  best thing we had. These guys started to see their
• 1:31:25
  biceps grow. And they're like, I want to look like this.
• 1:31:28
  And if I take drugs, I'm not going to look
• 1:31:29
  like this. So it was one of the best things
• 1:31:31
  they did. Then you get them into jobs and treatment.
• 1:31:34
  And there's one guy that I met in B.C., He
• 1:31:38
  was going to kill himself. He drove his car into
• 1:31:41
  a brick wall because he was so ruined by his addiction,
• 1:31:44
  but he didn't die. He couldn't even pull it off.
• 1:31:47
  So he actually went into treatment, turned his life around,
• 1:31:50
  started a business. He's got six employees and now he's
• 1:31:53
  going out on the street and like helping, you know,
• 1:31:55
  pulling guys off the street and bringing them in and
• 1:31:57
  saving their lives. So it's actually a really hopeful ending
• 1:32:01
  to the story. If we can get to shift all
• 1:32:02
  our resources over to treatment and recovery services, which is
• 1:32:05
  one of my big objectives.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Are you aware of Ibogaine? No. So former Republican governor
• 1:32:12
  of Texas, Rick Perry, is involved in this Ibogaine initiative
• 1:32:16
  here in Texas. And one of the things that they
• 1:32:18
  found– he works very closely with veterans and obviously a
• 1:32:22
  lot of these guys, they come back from the war.
• 1:32:25
  They have PTSD. They have a lot of pain. They
• 1:32:29
  get addicted to pills and then they have an incredibly
• 1:32:32
  difficult time getting off of it. And there's a treatment
• 1:32:36
  called Ibogaine. And Ibogaine comes from the aboga tree. It's
• 1:32:41
  like a natural psychedelic that has no recreational use whatsoever.
• 1:32:47
  It's not fun. And it's apparently a brutal 24-hour experience.
• 1:32:52
  But it rewires the brain, stops the pathways of addiction.
• 1:32:57
  And just one Ibogaine treatment, one session, the– The amount
• 1:33:02
  of people that never go back to using those drugs
• 1:33:05
  is in the 80 percent. Really? When they do two sessions,
• 1:33:09
  it's in the 90s. Wow. It's incredible. So they're implementing
• 1:33:13
  it here. And Rick Perry, who was like a staunch
• 1:33:16
  anti-drug hardline Republican guy, great guy, but realized from talking
• 1:33:23
  to these veterans, maybe you have to have an open
• 1:33:25
  mind and look at this. We have this blanket term
• 1:33:28
  that we use for drugs and we say, oh, Ibogaine
• 1:33:31
  is a drug. You don't want to take drugs. But
• 1:33:33
  this psychedelic, this Ibogaine, apparently it's like a 24-hour review
• 1:33:41
  of your life that in some way, some chemical way
• 1:33:46
  rewires your system and stops the pathways of addiction.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: It's like a factory reset.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. Crazy. And so they're starting to implement it here
• 1:33:55
  in Texas and they're going to use it for veterans.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: So have they studied this?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: And they've done– is it approved like as a treatment
• 1:34:01
  or what?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's being approved here in Texas and they're trying
• 1:34:04
  to do it in other places. And I know a
• 1:34:07
  friend of mine, my friend Ed Clay, he started a
• 1:34:09
  center down in Mexico. And the reason why he did
• 1:34:12
  it was because he got hooked on pills. He hurt
• 1:34:14
  his back. He got hooked on pills. He had to
• 1:34:16
  figure out how to get off of it. And he
• 1:34:17
  did one Ibogaine session, got clean. Really? And was like,
• 1:34:21
  I need to– educate people and help people with this.
• 1:34:24
  And we start this system and, you know, and it's
• 1:34:28
  very successful. I know multiple people that have done it
• 1:34:32
  and especially veterans that have done it and had profound
• 1:34:35
  changes in their life because of this. Yeah. And again,
• 1:34:38
  there's no recreational use for this. There's no chance of
• 1:34:42
  abusing it. Okay. It's not fun. Like to get people
• 1:34:45
  to do it twice is very hard. Okay. But even
• 1:34:47
  doing it once. But if you do it, it's incredibly effective.
• 1:34:52
  Much more effective than any other form of therapy. Really? Yes.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for that one
• 1:34:57
  because we need it. We still have a challenge up
• 1:34:59
  in Canada.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I can connect you with Rick Perry. Okay. And he's...
• 1:35:03
  Him and Brian Hubbard are incredible with their advocacy and
• 1:35:08
  the promotion of this. What they've done is really amazing.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: We've got to get people off these drugs. And, you know,
• 1:35:15
  we're making some good progress in Canada. Our biggest challenges
• 1:35:19
  are just the long-term aftermath of the opioid problem, like
• 1:35:24
  you have had down here. But, like, I think we
• 1:35:28
  can overcome it. And we have to try some new
• 1:35:31
  things in order to get people off these things because
• 1:35:34
  when you're doing fentanyl, it's Russian roulette.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: You might not have more than a day to live
• 1:35:40
  if you're still taking that stuff.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: It's so dangerous. It's an emergency. And it's in everything.
• 1:35:43
  It's in so many different street versions of pills that
• 1:35:49
  people think are safe. Right. Like Xanax. There's like illegal Xanax,
• 1:35:53
  like street Xanax. And there's fentanyl in them. People take
• 1:35:56
  it and they die.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely. I've met so many mothers. They just come
• 1:35:59
  up to me at my rallies and things, and they
• 1:36:01
  tell me the story, and they show me a picture,
• 1:36:03
  and you say, man, it's a beautiful child. That child
• 1:36:05
  looks healthy and smart, and she went to a party,
• 1:36:08
  and they were handing the shit out.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: There's a high school kid here in town that took
• 1:36:13
  a street Adderall and had fentanyl in it, and he died.
• 1:36:16
  Is that right? Yeah, somebody sold him what he thought
• 1:36:18
  was Adderall. Look, that's what killed Prince. That's what killed
• 1:36:21
  Tom Petty. Adderall? No, no, fentanyl. Fentanyl. They got street
• 1:36:26
  drugs from someone. Like they're both in pain and they
• 1:36:30
  become addicted to the pills. And then they got like
• 1:36:32
  a pill from a roadie. I didn't know that. And
• 1:36:34
  took it and died. I didn't know that.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Petty, did he sing Last Dance?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Last Dance for Mary Jane. Right.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: That's really sad.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs. American Girl.
• 1:36:45
  I mean, Tom Petty was a legend and died because
• 1:36:47
  of fentanyl. Prince is one of the great musical genius
• 1:36:50
  of human history.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: And fentanyl got him too?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Died from fentanyl. Unbelievable. He had hip pain. He needed
• 1:36:56
  a hip replacement. His hip was blown out, and he
• 1:36:58
  was in agony all the time. So he started taking pills,
• 1:37:01
  and then next thing you know, you're hooked. And I've
• 1:37:03
  had family members that got hooked on it. Is that right?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Did they get through it?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: One of them didn't. Yeah. I mean, he hurt his
• 1:37:11
  back doing construction and started taking pills, and now he's
• 1:37:15
  a waste. That's the sad thing. It's just a mess.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: And they're not law-breaking people. No. Often it's folks who
• 1:37:23
  work in physically demanding jobs. They get an injury. And
• 1:37:27
  it's easy to judge. But when you're in excruciating pain
• 1:37:30
  and you find something that makes it go away, it's understandable.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Also, if you're not educated in these subjects and you
• 1:37:38
  just trust the doctor, you go to a doctor and
• 1:37:40
  the doctor says you need pain medication. And then all
• 1:37:43
  of a sudden you're on it, you know?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: It's easy to see how people get locked into that
• 1:37:48
  and then they can't break loose.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, the pathway to physical addiction is so well known
• 1:37:53
  and studied. It's very, very addictive, which is why it's
• 1:37:57
  so horrific that they actually promoted the fact that these
• 1:38:01
  things are not addictive when they were promoting them.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: They knew exactly what they were doing. They were absolute crooks.
• 1:38:05
  And I'm hoping we get big settlements out of them
• 1:38:08
  the way you did down here. And I want to
• 1:38:09
  put all that money into treatment and recovery, get people
• 1:38:12
  off these drugs. And rescue them. I think we can
• 1:38:15
  save these lives. The treatment, it works. It's tough. Like
• 1:38:18
  people go through it. They say it's, it was the
• 1:38:20
  worst experience of my life to go through that withdrawal,
• 1:38:24
  but it can be done and you come out stronger
• 1:38:26
  on the other side.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: It can be done. And I think the most important
• 1:38:29
  thing is procrastination. and education and letting kids know like, hey,
• 1:38:34
  this is not what you want to get involved with.
• 1:38:36
  You want to have a happy, successful life. This is
• 1:38:39
  going to stop that. This is going to keep you
• 1:38:41
  from having it. This might kill you and it's definitely
• 1:38:43
  going to ruin you.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right about fitness though because when I
• 1:38:46
  was young, I hung around with a lot of people
• 1:38:49
  who got into a lot of trouble, and I could
• 1:38:50
  have ended up there. The reason I didn't, frankly, is sports.
• 1:38:54
  I had something else to drive me. So it's one
• 1:38:56
  of the reasons why we need to get our young
• 1:38:57
  people active in sporting activities when they're in that age group,
• 1:39:01
  because if you're not giving them an outlet, then they'll
• 1:39:03
  end up down that scary path.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. And also you realize that if you want
• 1:39:08
  to be effective in sports, like you can't party. Exactly.
• 1:39:11
  It's like, it'll rob you of your vitality. Exactly. Of
• 1:39:14
  your performance.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: No, I, when I played hockey and I, I showed
• 1:39:17
  up a few times hungover and I was just shit.
• 1:39:19
  Like it was terrible, but, uh, you learn pretty quick
• 1:39:22
  that you gotta be on your game. So we've got
• 1:39:24
  to promote more of the fitness at the, at the,
• 1:39:26
  at the youth level as well. And, um, and is
• 1:39:29
  that happening here?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I remember when I came down here, um, as a
• 1:39:33
  16 year old, I haven't been here in 30 years. Um, I, uh, we,
• 1:39:38
  we got into town and the people who were hosting us, uh,
• 1:39:41
  we were driving us to their home and we saw
• 1:39:43
  the stadium and there's like 20,000 people and it was
• 1:39:46
  in Houston. And I said, is that the Cowboys playing?
• 1:39:49
  And they said, no, no, that's a, that's a high
• 1:39:51
  school league. It's like, okay, in Canada, we don't have
• 1:39:54
  high school leagues with 20,000 people coming out. But, um,
• 1:39:58
  but the sports are so massive here.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a religion.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. Who do you cheer for, by the way?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: In Texas?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you personally.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got into UT football.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: I really love going to the UT games. It's so fun,
• 1:40:18
  and they're so enthusiastic, and they just love it. It's
• 1:40:23
  like when you're a part of it, when the touchdowns
• 1:40:25
  get scored and everybody's cheering, it's so contagious. Right. It's
• 1:40:29
  really amazing. And it's just like the enthusiasm they have
• 1:40:32
  for it is like, You're like, wow, like this is
• 1:40:34
  a great, these people love this here. But I've been
• 1:40:37
  to high school football games and it's the same thing.
• 1:40:40
  Like packed stadiums for high school football games. And you're like,
• 1:40:43
  this is nuts, man. These people love their sports.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: We're like that for hockey in Canada.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: It's serious, serious. Like parents are very fixated. And I
• 1:40:51
  think it's actually a good thing. Some people say, oh,
• 1:40:53
  it's terrible. I think it's great to have parents that
• 1:40:55
  are competitive because they're pushing their kids to be better
• 1:40:57
  and more excellent. And even if they don't end up
• 1:40:59
  as NHL hockey players. It gives them the competitive edge,
• 1:41:03
  and I want us to be a more competitive society.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was a kid, I worked at the
• 1:41:08
  Boston Athletic Club, and one of the people that I–
• 1:41:13
  I was a fitness instructor when I was 19, and
• 1:41:15
  one of the people that I worked with was Bobby Orr. Oh, really? Yeah,
• 1:41:19
  Bobby Orr used to come there and train, and we
• 1:41:20
  used to have to help him. get on the VersaClimber
• 1:41:23
  machine because his body was so wrecked. Really? He had
• 1:41:26
  so many surgeries. His knees were so destroyed. He had
• 1:41:30
  scars all up and down his knees. He had knee
• 1:41:33
  surgery back when they were just experimenting. They didn't really
• 1:41:36
  know how to fix knees. They just cut you open,
• 1:41:40
  screwed things back together again, and then it would blow
• 1:41:42
  apart again. And then you'd wind up having another surgery.
• 1:41:45
  So he had many, many knee surgeries, and he could
• 1:41:47
  barely walk.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: But he was still doing some kind of physical activity?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: He was playing racquetball.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: How old was he at the time?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: This was 1986. So, I mean— Jeez, that's like, what,
• 1:42:02
  40 years ago now? Uh-huh. Yeah. So he was, you know,
• 1:42:07
  he was probably in his 50s, 40s or 50s. He was,
• 1:42:11
  but he could barely walk. I mean, his knees didn't
• 1:42:14
  straighten out. Really? They were always, like, slightly bent, and
• 1:42:18
  they only bent that much. His range of motion was
• 1:42:20
  very small. So you had to help him get on machines.
• 1:42:24
  But the nicest guy. Right. And a legend. Like, you
• 1:42:26
  couldn't believe he was really there. Right. Like, he would
• 1:42:29
  walk into the gym, and you're like, oh, my God.
• 1:42:32
  As I was 19, I never met a famous person.
• 1:42:34
  And I was like, that's Bobby Orr?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: This is nuts. But it also made me realize, like, boy,
• 1:42:39
  knee surgery is no joke. Like, this guy was, like,
• 1:42:41
  an incredible... incredible athlete. And now he can't even straighten
• 1:42:45
  his leg out. Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's all temporary. You got to take care of yourself.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Do you, do you have like residual injuries from fighting
• 1:42:54
  back in the day?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee surgeries, two reconstructions.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Was that from Taekwondo?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And jujitsu. One of them, one of my ACL
• 1:43:02
  injuries was from jujitsu.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: And what, uh, like what injuries are the most common
• 1:43:07
  injury issues?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those are the big ones. Elbows.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Is that because of the arm bars and all that stuff?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A lot of
• 1:43:19
  guys get hurt just because of their ego because they
• 1:43:21
  don't want to tap.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: And you don't strike me as the type of guy
• 1:43:24
  who taps very quickly.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was younger, I was really stupid and
• 1:43:28
  I wasn't into tapping. Right. But as I got older,
• 1:43:33
  I got a lot smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot better.
• 1:43:35
  So I wasn't like in a situation where I had
• 1:43:37
  to tap a lot. But if I did, I did.
• 1:43:39
  I just tapped. And that's the smart thing to do.
• 1:43:41
  And I would tell people, treat it like you're playing basketball.
• 1:43:45
  Don't treat it like it's your life or death. The
• 1:43:47
  game is life or death. The game is if a
• 1:43:49
  guy gets you in an arm bar, he's essentially breaking
• 1:43:52
  your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can kill you.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: That's the game.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: But.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Don't treat it like that. Treat it like you can
• 1:43:59
  tap and keep going. Right. Or you can not tap
• 1:44:02
  and your arm's going to be destroyed maybe for the
• 1:44:04
  rest of your life. Right. And I've seen that happen
• 1:44:06
  with people where their forearm snaps and they have to
• 1:44:09
  have plates in it and then it's a chronic injury
• 1:44:11
  for the rest of their life.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: No, I can imagine that. And what about in taekwondo?
• 1:44:16
  Like you told the story once about how you really
• 1:44:19
  clocked a guy. I think it was a wheel kick
• 1:44:20
  or something. And that like freaked you out.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: That changed my whole outlook on fighting. Because I realized
• 1:44:26
  that could happen to me. And I had knocked people
• 1:44:29
  out before, but I'd never knocked anybody out where they
• 1:44:31
  didn't get up. Like usually they get up and they're
• 1:44:34
  wobbly and, you know, they get sat down and, you know,
• 1:44:37
  medics take care of them. And, you know, after a
• 1:44:40
  while they're walking around. And this guy never got up.
• 1:44:43
  And I never really got over that. I never had
• 1:44:46
  the same lust for hurting people. Because it was just–
• 1:44:51
  I was young. I was 19. And when you're 19,
• 1:44:54
  you think you're invincible. Or you don't think about the consequences.
• 1:44:58
  I knew I could get hurt. I've been hurt before.
• 1:45:00
  I've been kicked really hard and punched really hard before.
• 1:45:03
  I knew I was vulnerable. But I didn't think there
• 1:45:06
  was going to be anything permanent.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Did the guy ever get out of the hospital?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Really? I don't know what happened to him.
• 1:45:13
  I don't know what happened to him.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll hear this show and give you a call
• 1:45:15
  and say that he's all right.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no. He probably don't want to talk to me.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, your spinning back kick is incredible. I saw you
• 1:45:22
  in GSP doing that video where you were showing him
• 1:45:25
  how to do the back kick.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Did he ever use that in a fight?
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed it? Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  he used it a lot. It's a thing that, like,
• 1:45:33
  you have to almost grow up doing it. Right. You know,
• 1:45:37
  unless you're dealing– John Jones developed it later in his career.
• 1:45:41
  I saw that. He's a wizard.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: But he kind of like started implementing it like sort
• 1:45:45
  of three, two-thirds through his career. Did you teach him
• 1:45:47
  how to do that?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: No. No, I did not. He worked with a Taekwondo
• 1:45:50
  coach in Albuquerque.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: And he just really worked on that one technique specifically
• 1:45:55
  when he went up to heavyweight because the guys would be,
• 1:45:57
  first of all, less agile and mobile. And also it
• 1:46:00
  was the kind of technique where you could stop a
• 1:46:02
  guy with one shot. Right. And when you're a guy
• 1:46:04
  who's smaller than most heavyweights, which John is because he
• 1:46:07
  was a light heavyweight, so he was fighting at 205
• 1:46:10
  most of his career and just as a challenge decided
• 1:46:12
  to go up to heavyweight. But he's so intelligent. He realized, like,
• 1:46:15
  I need a one shot that I could put people away.
• 1:46:18
  So he spent hours and hours every week. Just going
• 1:46:23
  over the spinning back kick. Really?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: To the body or the head?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the body. The body. Yeah. It's like getting hit
• 1:46:27
  by a car.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: There's so much power in that. You get hit with that.
• 1:46:30
  Like a wheel kick to the head is really difficult
• 1:46:33
  to develop. It's like a fast twitch thing that it's
• 1:46:37
  almost like your body has to evolve and grow doing
• 1:46:41
  that to really develop the kind of speed that you
• 1:46:45
  could pull it off on a skilled opponent in a fight.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: And the accuracy.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Like to try and time that all. That must be incredible.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's... There's freak athletes that could pick it
• 1:46:53
  up later in life. There's some people that are just
• 1:46:54
  really good at everything. They just have amazing dexterity and coordination.
• 1:46:59
  But for most people, I learned it when I was
• 1:47:02
  a kid. So my body matured doing those things. My
• 1:47:07
  body matured kicking. And it became a part of just
• 1:47:10
  my average normal movement of life. Right. That's amazing.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: And the spinning back kick, though... Is it typically a
• 1:47:19
  body kick?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Yes. I've thrown it to the face too, especially a
• 1:47:23
  jump spinning back kick to the face.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Taekwondo, wasn't it really the Koreans that developed so they
• 1:47:29
  could actually kick a man off a horse in war?
• 1:47:32
  Is that why the kicks are so high?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it was just because
• 1:47:36
  they're smaller in stature and they realized that you had
• 1:47:39
  to have more powerful kicks. Okay. You know, because your
• 1:47:42
  legs are always carrying your body around. There's a lot
• 1:47:44
  more mass to your muscles and your legs, and there's
• 1:47:47
  a lot more force you can generate with your kicks.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see the fight between Rick Rufus and
• 1:47:53
  that Muay Thai guy?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that incredible?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've showed that fight a hundred
• 1:48:00
  times on this podcast.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: It's amazing because it was like Americans versus Thai.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Well, we didn't really understand leg kicks. Right. Because PKA karate...
• 1:48:10
  And I found this out later because of Benny Urquidez,
• 1:48:12
  who came in the podcast. He told me that the
• 1:48:14
  reason why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA karate
• 1:48:17
  was because of Bill Wallace. So Bill Superfoot Wallace famously
• 1:48:22
  had one leg that he kicked with. It was because
• 1:48:24
  his other leg, he had a bad knee. Right. And
• 1:48:26
  he didn't want anybody kicking his legs.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: So he promoted this idea that only have above the
• 1:48:32
  waist kicks. Right. And that's what we had in America. Like,
• 1:48:35
  that's what Jean-Yves Thériault fought most of his career. That's right.
• 1:48:37
  He did.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: He fought Rufus himself, actually.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: No, that was incredible because if you looked at the
• 1:48:44
  art form, Rufus was so much more. beautiful to watch
• 1:48:48
  than the Thai guy. He came in, he broke the
• 1:48:51
  guy's jaw in the first round, I think. He knocked
• 1:48:54
  him down a few times. Was it once or twice?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: He knocked him down a couple of times, I believe,
• 1:48:58
  but it was.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: And the guy just kept chopping his leg. And then
• 1:49:01
  I think he went out in a stretcher because his
• 1:49:03
  leg was busted in like nine places.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: He didn't know what to do. He didn't understand it.
• 1:49:07
  What was really interesting is his brother, Duke, became a
• 1:49:10
  Muay Thai world champion after that fight.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Was that the guy who was at the fight commenting
• 1:49:16
  after the fight?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: He was saying it doesn't take any skill. There's no skill.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: He was embarrassed by that later in his life because
• 1:49:23
  he became one of the top MMA trainers. Really? Yeah.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: And he took on Muay Thai.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world champion and
• 1:49:29
  he developed Rufus Sport, which is a great gym in Milwaukee,
• 1:49:32
  a top gym. Developed world champions like Anthony Pettis. So
• 1:49:36
  he was a pioneer. He was one of the guys
• 1:49:40
  that had to figure it out. And he spent time
• 1:49:42
  in Thailand. They all learned it. They had to learn.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Where's the best place in Thailand to go? Is it Phuket?
• 1:49:47
  Is it Bangkok?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Where do you go? Oh, there's so many good places.
• 1:49:50
  Thailand's the real motherland of Muay Thai, obviously. Phuket's amazing.
• 1:49:56
  Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so many amazing gyms that
• 1:50:01
  are in Thailand. They're tough guys.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: There's whole strips in Phuket. My wife and I were
• 1:50:06
  there on vacation once and we just stumbled on this
• 1:50:08
  whole street and you could do, there was sort of
• 1:50:12
  American style boxing. There was a CrossFit type thing. Then
• 1:50:16
  there was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of
• 1:50:18
  other Muay Thai facilities. And then there's like street vendors
• 1:50:21
  that were cooking meals specifically for people who are there training.
• 1:50:27
  Like you could buy a beautiful hard boiled eggs and
• 1:50:30
  And avocado and chicken strips, and this is like high protein,
• 1:50:35
  just catered to the people who come from around the
• 1:50:37
  world to train for like five, six weeks in a clinic.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: And there's people that do it just recreationally. My friend Mark,
• 1:50:43
  he's a businessman. He's in his 60s. And he did it?
• 1:50:46
  He went over to Thailand to train.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Did he survive?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. He trained. I saw him the other day.
• 1:50:51
  He had a black eye. He's in his 60s. I'm like,
• 1:50:53
  what are you doing, man?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: So if you were starting from scratch and you wanted
• 1:50:56
  to be an MMA, would you do like you go
• 1:50:59
  to– Thailand and do like two months there and then
• 1:51:03
  go to Dagestan to learn how to wrestle? Is that
• 1:51:05
  the best combo?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: If you were starting out, if you were a kid,
• 1:51:09
  I would say wrestling. Wrestling is number one. Yeah. That's
• 1:51:11
  the most important thing to learn because if a guy
• 1:51:14
  can take you down, he can do whatever he wants to.
• 1:51:16
  If he can take you down and hold you down
• 1:51:18
  and beat you up. If you don't know how to wrestle,
• 1:51:20
  you can't fight.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: You need at least to learn wrestling just to understand wrestling,
• 1:51:24
  takedown defense.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: But you did jiu-jitsu later in life, didn't you?
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. Right. I didn't start jiu-jitsu until I was 29,
• 1:51:31
  I think. Right.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: And who do you like right now? Who do you
• 1:51:35
  think is the most interesting fighter to watch these days?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to say the most interesting.
• 1:51:41
  There's a guy from Spain, Ilya Tepuria. Tepuria. Yeah.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like Tepuria.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: He's what David Goggins calls uncommon amongst uncommon men.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Want some more coffee?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you. He's a freak.
• 1:51:56
  I mean, he's just incredibly talented. Like, weirdly talented. Like,
• 1:52:01
  his last three fights, he knocked out three all-time greats. Holloway? Yeah, Holloway, Alexander,
• 1:52:11
  and Charles Oliveira. So that's crazy. Volkanovski, who's like one
• 1:52:18
  of the greatest featherweights of all time, knocked him out.
• 1:52:21
  Knocked out Max Holloway, another one of the greatest featherweights
• 1:52:24
  of all time.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: And then Charles Oliveira, one of the greatest lightweights of
• 1:52:27
  all time. He knocks out three guys in three fights.
• 1:52:29
  There's no one has a resume like that.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: And he's not like, as I understand, he was a
• 1:52:32
  Greco-Roman guy.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: And he became a boxer later on.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: He's just talented.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: How do you describe, like, So I'm not knowledgeable in
• 1:52:44
  this area, but the way he almost looks like he
• 1:52:47
  has a Philly shell. Is that a Philly shell what
• 1:52:49
  he does with one arm down?
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of that. Well, he has amazing defense.
• 1:52:52
  It's just amazing awareness and pattern recognition, technique. He's a
• 1:53:01
  combination of all things, right? Incredible confidence, incredible intelligence, insane discipline,
• 1:53:07
  work ethic, but just great training methods. He does everything right.
• 1:53:12
  And then insane confidence. Like his confidence is insane. When
• 1:53:16
  he fought Charles Oliveira for the lightweight title, he celebrated
• 1:53:20
  his victory the night before. He had a party to
• 1:53:23
  celebrate the night before the fight. And then went out
• 1:53:26
  and knocked Charles out in the first round. And said
• 1:53:28
  he was going to knock Charles out in the first round.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: One punch. Boom.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: What impresses me most about him is how he got
• 1:53:35
  up after that kick to the head he took.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: That was incredible. And you know who else did that
• 1:53:39
  was GSP. Remember when GSP took that head kick?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Carlos Condit.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: And he went down, but he recovered quickly. And he
• 1:53:45
  was talking to me about how, because I said to him,
• 1:53:48
  like in politics, you get hit, right? And not physically,
• 1:53:52
  if you're lucky, but you have to be able to
• 1:53:54
  get up quickly and react to it. I asked him,
• 1:53:56
  how did you do it? How did you, like, how
• 1:53:58
  does your brain go from taking that kind of hit
• 1:54:01
  to getting back in the fight and turning it around?
• 1:54:04
  And he said he like gets two very deep breaths
• 1:54:06
  through the nose and then out through the mouth and
• 1:54:08
  get some oxygen back into your system and focus your mind.
• 1:54:11
  I thought that was an incredible lesson.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's all in how you get kicked
• 1:54:17
  because you could just get knocked out.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: And then it's over.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do. If you get shut off,
• 1:54:21
  you get shut off. Certain people get shut off. You
• 1:54:25
  just get kicked. You can get kicked and it kind
• 1:54:27
  of glances off of you or you can get kicked
• 1:54:29
  and it just slams right in the side of your
• 1:54:31
  neck and the lights go dark. Right.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: But if you're still able to recover and think quickly,
• 1:54:39
  it's incredible to have that kind of, pre-programming to ready
• 1:54:42
  you for a moment like that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's a big part of his, what
• 1:54:47
  I was talking about, the camp that he comes from.
• 1:54:50
  I mean, Firas Zahabi is like one of the most
• 1:54:52
  intelligent and one of the most brilliant trainers in the sport.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Who's this?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Firas Zahabi. He's the guy from Montreal.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: From TriStar. So he's the guy who trains his.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. Trains GSP. Oh, GSP.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. And I mean, I think that is, that's
• 1:55:06
  a big part of why GSP was able to recover.
• 1:55:09
  Like they prepare for everything.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Right. You know, it's like there's nothing left to chance.
• 1:55:13
  Like he hires people to try to knock George out
• 1:55:17
  in training. That was one of the things he did.
• 1:55:18
  He would give them more money if they could knock
• 1:55:21
  him out. So they would just– so he would be
• 1:55:23
  like fully prepared when he was fighting. Like they leave
• 1:55:26
  no stone uncovered.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Don't you have to like budget though? The number of
• 1:55:30
  headshots you take?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. But he was pretty confident that George, I mean,
• 1:55:33
  it wasn't like he was doing this with a beginner. Right.
• 1:55:35
  He was doing this with a world champion, one of
• 1:55:38
  the greatest of all time. Okay. He, you know, he
• 1:55:40
  wanted George to be in danger, you know, so George
• 1:55:43
  had to fight like he was going to fight inside
• 1:55:45
  the octagon. Right. In danger.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Because John Jones said somewhere that he had, like, every
• 1:55:50
  time he gets hit hard in camp, he said, like,
• 1:55:54
  I just, that's bad. part of my brain budget that's
• 1:55:57
  been taken away.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why John's so smart. He recognized that. There's
• 1:56:02
  a lot of people that don't think that way. John
• 1:56:04
  also famously won't take a fight on short notice. Is
• 1:56:07
  that right? He wants to be fully prepared for a fighter.
• 1:56:10
  Even a guy, like when he fought Chael Sonnen, they
• 1:56:13
  offered him a Chael Sonnen fight on short notice and
• 1:56:15
  he said no. There is not a time, no disrespect
• 1:56:18
  to Chael. He's a great fighter. There's not a time
• 1:56:21
  on this life, in this earth, where Chael Sonnen is
• 1:56:24
  going to beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to happen.
• 1:56:27
  He could have taken that fight on one day's notice
• 1:56:29
  and still beat Chael Sonnen. He's that much better than him.
• 1:56:31
  But he still wouldn't take it. He's like, no, I'm
• 1:56:35
  going to be fully 100% prepared.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: That's smart, though.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Also, he hated Chael. And so he wanted to make
• 1:56:40
  sure that there was not a chance that Chael could
• 1:56:42
  do anything to him that he wouldn't have been able
• 1:56:44
  to do if he was trained.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Do these guys hate each other?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Sometimes. Sometimes.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: But most of them, do they respect or is it–
• 1:56:51
  it depends on the fight.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: It really depends. Like when Ilya Tepuria fought Charles Oliveira,
• 1:56:56
  he actually apologized to him before the fight. He said,
• 1:56:59
  I'm sorry. It has to be you. I really like you.
• 1:57:05
  Kind of crazy.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: He's got to be careful.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: But he's hated people too. He's hated people he fought too.
• 1:57:10
  I mean there's some people that just rub you the
• 1:57:11
  wrong way. There's some people– there are strategies to get
• 1:57:13
  inside your head and fuck with you and for you
• 1:57:16
  to fight with emotion. Well, Habib with– Conor McGregor.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: With McGregor. He really hated McGregor. He almost didn't let
• 1:57:23
  go when the tap happened.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: That was something else. Is Conor ever going to come back,
• 1:57:28
  do you think?
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going to, he
• 1:57:32
  has to do it soon. I mean, I think he's 30.
• 1:57:34
  How old is he now? 37? He's jacked now, eh? Yeah. Well,
• 1:57:41
  not anymore.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, he came back down?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: He was on the Mexican supplements for a while. Okay.
• 1:57:45
  Because he was trying to... Recover from his leg break.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: So when he fought Dustin Poirier.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: He got on some stuff to try to recover for that.
• 1:57:55
  I don't know what he got on, but clearly it helped.
• 1:57:57
  He got huge. He got super jacked. The problem with
• 1:58:00
  getting super jacked like that is then you get addicted
• 1:58:03
  to what got you super jacked. Because if you're on steroids,
• 1:58:05
  you feel like Superman. You know you feel like you
• 1:58:08
  could just run through walls and then you get off
• 1:58:10
  of it and now your endocrine system has to kind
• 1:58:13
  of catch up to the fact that you've been giving
• 1:58:15
  it exogenous testosterone for all these months and so that
• 1:58:20
  takes a long time for you to get back to
• 1:58:22
  a normal healthy level so you feel like shit it's
• 1:58:24
  hard for these guys to get off of steroids.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Right I can imagine you get addicted to being that's
• 1:58:29
  right I've never done it. I don't plan on it.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: How old is he? 37. Almost 38.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: That's getting up there. Who's the oldest fighter that's ever
• 1:58:37
  been in the octagon? Like who's a serious competitor?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy won the world title,
• 1:58:45
  the world heavyweight title in his 40s. Wow. Yeah. But
• 1:58:49
  Randy didn't even start his mixed martial arts career. I
• 1:58:54
  think I was there at his first fight in– 1997,
• 1:58:58
  and I think he was 34 or 35 before he
• 1:59:03
  ever had an MMA fight. He was just an elite
• 1:59:07
  wrestler who made his way into MMA because there's no
• 1:59:11
  real professional outlet for actual amateur wrestling.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Did you ever interact with the Gracies? Because I remember
• 1:59:17
  way back in, like, I remember MMA or UFC 2.
• 1:59:20
  It was the second one. That was when it really
• 1:59:22
  kicked in. The first one was a little bit strange.
• 1:59:24
  It was that big fat guy whose tooth went flying out.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: But number two was the one with Shamrock and Gracie
• 1:59:32
  and Dan Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn,
• 1:59:35
  the wrestler?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: I think he was later.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: He might have been three or four.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: But that was kind of the first generation of big names.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, Hoist Gracie changed the world.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was a slow style, though, man. You had
• 1:59:47
  to have patience to watch him because he'd just lie
• 1:59:49
  on his back and wait, wait, wait.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, with Dan Severin, he did because he had to
• 1:59:53
  catch him in a triangle. Right. He eventually tapped him,
• 1:59:55
  and no one even understood what was going on. Like,
• 1:59:58
  why is he? He's got his legs wrapped around him?
• 2:00:00
  What the hell is going on? Exactly. And then all
• 2:00:02
  of a sudden, Dan Severin's tapping out. You're like, this
• 2:00:04
  is crazy. So a man who weighed literally 100 pounds
• 2:00:07
  more than him. Or close to it. Right. On top
• 2:00:10
  of him and hoist beat him.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Dan Severin didn't appear to have any finishing moves.
• 2:00:14
  Like he's thinking, I got you on your back. I've
• 2:00:16
  pinned you. I've won the wrestling match.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: He would kind of give you little noogies, little sandwiches.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: But then, of course, eventually that anaconda comes in and
• 2:00:24
  either chokes you out or takes your arm.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until Hoist came around. And
• 2:00:29
  he was.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: His dad, wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to
• 2:00:32
  the family?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: His dad and his uncle. So it was Carlos Gracie
• 2:00:37
  and Elio Gracie who were the real founders of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
• 2:00:41
  And then Carlson Gracie. Okay. And those guys were the
• 2:00:44
  pioneers and they were having no rules fights in the
• 2:00:48
  1930s and 40s. Wow.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: And did they bring it over from Japan?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Maeda brought it over from Japan and they taught the Gracies.
• 2:00:57
  And then, you know, Elio Gracie famously had a match
• 2:01:02
  with Kimura, who was a Japanese judoka who broke Elio's
• 2:01:07
  arm with a Kimura.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: And that's how that technique, that's why it's called a Kimura. Really? Yeah,
• 2:01:13
  in catch wrestling they call it a double wrist lock. Okay.
• 2:01:16
  But we call it a Kimura because Kimura broke Elio
• 2:01:20
  Gracie's arm with this. Elio just refused to tap and
• 2:01:23
  it's like, and eventually it snapped his arm.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: They're having these long no rules fights in Brazil long
• 2:01:31
  before anybody had any idea what MMA was in America.
• 2:01:36
  And then Hoyce's brother, Hickson, who was the best out
• 2:01:40
  of all of them. Hickson was fighting people when he
• 2:01:42
  was 18 in like these big arenas in Brazil. Unbelievable.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: And then they– I guess Dana White brought it in
• 2:01:51
  with UFC.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Dana. It was– there was another organization
• 2:01:57
  before Zufa owned the UFC. And this other organization, they
• 2:02:02
  started it with Horry and Gracie. So Horian Gracie was
• 2:02:05
  the guy who founded the UFC. Okay. And originally they
• 2:02:09
  were talking about putting like a moat around the cage
• 2:02:11
  and having crocodiles in it and shit. They wanted it
• 2:02:14
  to be like completely insane. Because what it was for
• 2:02:17
  Horian– Horian is a brilliant man. And for him, what
• 2:02:20
  he wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu. And he's like, this
• 2:02:24
  is going to be the best way to open up
• 2:02:25
  schools all over the country and to show this art
• 2:02:29
  that my father had created.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: So they had really– taken some of the ground techniques
• 2:02:34
  of judo and really refined them to a razor-sharp edge.
• 2:02:38
  And also one of the things that helped a lot
• 2:02:40
  was that Elio was a small man. He was only
• 2:02:43
  like 145 pounds. And so he had to use only
• 2:02:47
  technique and leverage. He couldn't rely on brute strength. And
• 2:02:50
  so it was one of the best sort of advertisements
• 2:02:55
  is to have Hoyce, who was also fairly small. He
• 2:02:58
  was only 175 pounds. Beat all these big, giant, muscle-bound
• 2:03:02
  guys with pure technique because they didn't understand what he
• 2:03:04
  was doing. And he was like, this is going to
• 2:03:06
  be brilliant. This is going to– and it worked. I
• 2:03:08
  mean the name Gracie and jiu-jitsu are synonymous.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere now. Like we even have them in Canada
• 2:03:14
  where these– These schools will have the Gracie name and
• 2:03:17
  obviously they have no attachment to Gracie's, the Brazilian Gracie's,
• 2:03:21
  but everybody wants to learn the Gracie style.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they probably do have like Gracie Baja, which is
• 2:03:26
  a huge affiliate of gyms. They're all over the country,
• 2:03:30
  the world. They're everywhere.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Are they good?
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like, it's very difficult
• 2:03:35
  to have a bad jujitsu gym today.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Why is that? Because they're so competitive?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: It's too competitive. Okay. There's too many good people. There's
• 2:03:42
  too many good gyms. Like in Austin alone, Austin alone
• 2:03:45
  has like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools. Is that right? Oh, yeah.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: Do you go and roll quite often still?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: There's a place right up the street, 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu,
• 2:03:52
  which is the school that I started with in California. Well,
• 2:03:56
  I actually started with Hicks and Gracie and then I
• 2:04:00
  went to Carlson Gracie. And that was just because I
• 2:04:03
  didn't know there was any difference in the Gracies. And
• 2:04:06
  then Carlson Gracie was closer to my house. I was like, oh,
• 2:04:08
  I'll go to this Gracie place. It's closer. This is
• 2:04:10
  when I was a white belt. I didn't know anything.
• 2:04:12
  And then when they closed, when that gym closed, then
• 2:04:15
  I went to Jean-Jacques Machado's. And so I started training
• 2:04:18
  there in 1998. And that was in the Valley in California.
• 2:04:23
  But then one of Jean-Jacques' black belts, my best friend,
• 2:04:27
  Eddie Bravo, he started 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. And then I
• 2:04:31
  trained there as well. Okay.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: And in Canada, we see a lot of places where
• 2:04:35
  they do Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu. So you're striking and
• 2:04:38
  you're grappling all in one place.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: 10th Planet here has a Muay Thai program. Oh, is
• 2:04:42
  that right? So that's common now. A lot of those
• 2:04:44
  gyms have that.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: And you went to your first as a commentator. You
• 2:04:46
  did it like for free, didn't you?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: No, no. I got paid in the early days in
• 2:04:51
  the 90s, in 1997, but it wasn't much. I was
• 2:04:55
  losing money. But when the UFC was purchased by Zufa
• 2:05:00
  in 2001, that was when I was on Fear Factor.
• 2:05:03
  And I met Dana White and I became friends with him.
• 2:05:07
  And he asked me as a favor to do commentary
• 2:05:10
  on this one show that they had, UFC 37 and
• 2:05:14
  a half. It was on Fox Sports, whatever it was.
• 2:05:17
  There was a cable channel. So it was best damn
• 2:05:20
  sports show period, had this UFC show. And he said,
• 2:05:23
  would you do me a favor and just do commentary
• 2:05:25
  on this one event? Right. And I said, okay, I'll
• 2:05:27
  do it for this one. And he's like, I want
• 2:05:28
  you to do it again. And then I was like, okay.
• 2:05:32
  So I was like, I just wanted to do it
• 2:05:34
  for fun. Like for me, it's like I like going
• 2:05:36
  to the fights and I like going with my friends
• 2:05:39
  and having a good time. And I did like the
• 2:05:41
  first 15 of them for free. I just– I knew
• 2:05:44
  they were hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any money.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: But you loved it.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: You loved being there.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: It was like a kid in a candy store.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Well, also I was very happy to try to promote
• 2:05:53
  this thing because for me– It was the ultimate expression
• 2:05:56
  of martial arts. Like we need to find out what's
• 2:05:58
  the best style. Right. And I'd kind of, I had
• 2:06:01
  been so engrossed in that world in Japan with pride
• 2:06:06
  and all these other organizations that they had over there.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, what happens if an alligator fights with a tiger?
• 2:06:11
  What happens if a lion fights with a bear? We've
• 2:06:13
  got to match them up and find out.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's humans versus humans. So it's just style.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: Muay Thai versus karate. Because you didn't want to waste
• 2:06:20
  your time doing something that didn't work.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of people that wasted their
• 2:06:25
  time doing stuff that didn't work. And we didn't really
• 2:06:27
  know what that was until the UFC came along. And
• 2:06:30
  then we're like, oh. And now the evolution of martial
• 2:06:34
  arts from 1993 when the UFC started to 2026, in
• 2:06:36
  those years– Martial arts have evolved more than they have
• 2:06:43
  in the last 30,000 years.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like the gap between theory and practice.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: And like Bruce Lee, when he, he started with Wing Chun,
• 2:06:54
  but he said that a lot of it was just
• 2:06:56
  ornamental and he called it dry land swimming. It's like,
• 2:07:00
  you know, you wouldn't actually do that in a fight.
• 2:07:03
  And then he got into a lot of contention with
• 2:07:06
  the scholars of the art form. It's a very beautiful
• 2:07:09
  art form, Wing Chun, but I don't know if it,
• 2:07:11
  I can't imagine it works that well.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it is, Wing Chun is effective. There's a lot
• 2:07:16
  of techniques in Wing Chun.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: If you got into a fist fight between like a
• 2:07:19
  Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chun guy, who would
• 2:07:21
  come out?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: The Muay Thai guy.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that Wing Chun's not effective and
• 2:07:24
  you could use Wing Chun in Muay Thai or in
• 2:07:28
  an MMA fight, but you have to know everything. Right.
• 2:07:30
  That's the reality of it. It's like Taekwondo. Like Taekwondo
• 2:07:33
  is not effective by itself in an MMA fight. But
• 2:07:36
  if you know MMA and you know Taekwondo, then you
• 2:07:40
  could do like what Edson Barboza did to Terry Adam
• 2:07:42
  and knock him out with a wheel kick in spectacular fashion. Right.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Because Jones has like a big blend, right?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: Like he has some Muay Thai, some karate, some– Yes.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: That's what MMA is, mixed martial arts. I mean it's
• 2:07:55
  like you take all– and that's Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb
• 2:07:59
  what's useful. Right. I mean, he was the real first
• 2:08:01
  mixed martial artist. And when it was very dangerous to
• 2:08:04
  do that. Right. Because people hated him. I mean, they
• 2:08:07
  would attack him. He would have to have fights with
• 2:08:10
  people because they thought that he was disrespecting their art. Right.
• 2:08:13
  And he combined Western boxing and wrestling. He learned judo
• 2:08:17
  from Gene LaBelle. He learned things from everybody. He learned karate, savate.
• 2:08:22
  He learned all these different martial arts and was absorbing
• 2:08:25
  what's useful and putting his own. So Jeet Kune Do,
• 2:08:28
  his style, was really the first mixed martial arts style.
• 2:08:31
  Is that right? Yeah.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: Do people use it anymore?
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's Jeet Kune Do schools, sure. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:37
  I mean, a lot of what Krav Maga is, the
• 2:08:40
  Israeli martial art, is like kind of a, a combination
• 2:08:44
  of things along the same lines of the way Bruce
• 2:08:46
  Lee did it.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: Is it, is Krav Maga a good, effective martial arts system?
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: Every martial arts system is effective if you have a
• 2:08:54
  great instructor.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: But on their own, like, The best styles are the
• 2:09:02
  really strong styles like jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those are
• 2:09:05
  the best– Western boxing. Those are the best styles on
• 2:09:08
  their own. Okay. But what Krav Maga is is a
• 2:09:11
  combination of all those styles. And so if you have
• 2:09:14
  a great instructor in Krav Maga, yeah, you'll learn great
• 2:09:18
  Muay Thai. You'll learn great jiu-jitsu. It's essentially mixed martial
• 2:09:21
  arts but with a lot of emphasis on real-world applications,
• 2:09:25
  street fights, dirty stuff like– Eye gouging, you know, poking
• 2:09:30
  people in the eye, kicking them in the nuts. Yikes.
• 2:09:32
  Stuff that works. But that's what you, like, you see
• 2:09:34
  it in an MMA fight all the time. A guy
• 2:09:36
  gets poked in the eye. He's like, hang on. And
• 2:09:38
  he has to stop.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Isn't that against the rules?
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: It's against the rules. So this guy's getting punched and kicked. And, look,
• 2:09:44
  Tom Aspinall, he was in the heavyweight title fight, and
• 2:09:48
  he got eye poked in the first round. He's had
• 2:09:50
  to have two surgeries since then on his eyes, and
• 2:09:52
  he hasn't been able to fight. They had to stop
• 2:09:54
  the fight in the first round from an eye poke.
• 2:09:57
  It's very effective. But in Krav Maga, they're like, go
• 2:09:59
  for the eyes. Because in a real world fight for
• 2:10:02
  your life scenario, it's a good technique.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: It's for the Israeli military, I think.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: So they have to prepare for unusual situations where you're
• 2:10:11
  trying to survive. in a, in a, you know, a
• 2:10:13
  situation where your arm has been, your, your weapon has
• 2:10:16
  been removed and you're, and you're just trying to fight
• 2:10:18
  for your life.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, just in your, in a situation with hand,
• 2:10:21
  hand to hand combat, you need to learn how you
• 2:10:23
  need to know every, if a guy takes you down,
• 2:10:26
  you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get back
• 2:10:28
  up so I can fight. No, you have to be
• 2:10:29
  able to fight on the ground, and that's the idea
• 2:10:31
  of it. Like incorporate jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay Thai,
• 2:10:35
  Western boxing, even Jeet Kune Do techniques, even Wing Chun techniques. Really?
• 2:10:41
  There's a lot of hand trapping and things in Wing
• 2:10:43
  Chun that can be very effective in a fight.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: It looks really cool what they do with that wooden dummy.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: It looks really cool. Exactly. I've never really got into that.
• 2:10:54
  But if you do get into that, you'll learn blocking
• 2:10:56
  techniques and you'll.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: Learn– That actually work?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. OK. But they'll work if you know the
• 2:11:02
  other stuff. They won't work if a guy just shoots
• 2:11:04
  a double on you and takes you down and starts
• 2:11:07
  pounding you. You don't know what to do when you're
• 2:11:08
  on the bottom. Right. You have to know how to–
• 2:11:11
  and this is what really MMA has taught the world.
• 2:11:14
  It's like you have to be able to defend yourself everywhere,
• 2:11:17
  standing up, on the ground. You have to be effective
• 2:11:20
  in all the realms. Right. But still we have a
• 2:11:23
  lot of people that are pure specialists that do really
• 2:11:26
  well in mixed martial arts because they're so good in
• 2:11:30
  one area. Like Alex Pereira, who is the middleweight champion,
• 2:11:34
  light heavyweight champion, and now he's going up to heavyweight.
• 2:11:36
  He's going to be fighting at the White House card.
• 2:11:38
  Alex Pereira is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.
• 2:11:41
  He's a two-division world champion and kickboxer. His style is
• 2:11:45
  all kickboxing, but he just developed takedown defense.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: He can do it all.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: He can do it all. But he doesn't submit anybody.
• 2:11:52
  If you're fighting him, it's going to be a stand-up fight.
• 2:11:55
  Unless you can take him down, he's not going to
• 2:11:57
  try to take you down. He's going to try to
• 2:11:59
  fuck you up. He's going to try to knock you
• 2:12:00
  into another dimension.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the warning. I'll try to avoid the guy
• 2:12:04
  if I see him on the street. The funniest thing
• 2:12:06
  I ever saw was there's this video of Jon Jones
• 2:12:09
  on the street somewhere. And he bumped into– he was
• 2:12:13
  talking and he leaned on some guy's motorcycle. I think
• 2:12:16
  he might have been in Asia or something. The guy
• 2:12:18
  had no idea who he was and he started screaming
• 2:12:21
  at him.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: And John said, I'm very, very sorry. And he turned around.
• 2:12:25
  He ran away like he was terrified. And it was
• 2:12:28
  obviously he wasn't in any danger, but it was so
• 2:12:30
  hilarious that this guy had no idea who he was
• 2:12:32
  picking a fight with.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. The guy has no idea. His life flashed
• 2:12:37
  before his eyes.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: But he took it well because he was like, you know,
• 2:12:40
  I don't have anything to prove.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. John's not the type of guy that would do anything.
• 2:12:43
  I mean, also, what a lawsuit, you know? Oh, yeah.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Your hands are weapons.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, his whole body's a weapon.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: Most of those guys are really nice guys in real life.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they get all their aggression out. They don't
• 2:12:56
  have anything to prove. They're not the type of person.
• 2:12:59
  They know what they can do. They don't have to
• 2:13:01
  prove it to anybody.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They have a fight
• 2:13:04
  coming up. I think it's in April.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: It's in April.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: A UFC in Winnipeg?
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've avoided UFCs in Canada.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: Well, come on up.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: I've avoided it just because of the government, just because
• 2:13:14
  of what was going on as a protest. I was like,
• 2:13:16
  this is so fucked.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll come back up.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: Well, if you win, I'll go up there.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: How about that? We should get you up before then.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: You become prime minister and I promise I'll do all
• 2:13:23
  the UFC events that they have in Canada.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: We need you up in Canada to come do one
• 2:13:28
  of your comedy shows and it would be great for
• 2:13:30
  Canadian tourism.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: I still love going up there. I still love going
• 2:13:33
  to Massey Hall. Yeah. Toronto. Yeah. I love performing there.
• 2:13:37
  I did.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: You used to do Montreal. And how old were you
• 2:13:42
  when you were in Montreal?
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I started, I think the first time I was
• 2:13:45
  up there, I was like 25.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Such a beautiful city.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's gorgeous there. Oh, I love that.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Quebec is lovely.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: Beautiful province.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef, one of my
• 2:13:55
  favorite restaurants in the world that's in Montreal.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Montreal is a great place and you should come
• 2:14:01
  out to the prairies too. Go to the Calgary Stampede.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: I've heard that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to Edmonton. I've been to Alberta. Yeah. I've
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  performed in Edmonton a few times. And I've hunted in Alberta. Where? Well,
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  my friends John and Jen Rivett, they have a guide.
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  I mean, they guide people up in northern Alberta. It's
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  all like, you know, black bear hunting. So it's like.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of great hunting. I don't hunt myself,
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  but there's a ton of great hunting, a lot of
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  hunters in Alberta.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Well, there's talk about Alberta separating.
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  Speaker 1: That won't happen.
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  Speaker 2: What was that about?
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  Speaker 1: It won't happen. Some people are frustrated, but they, you know,
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  there's some legitimate frustrations. But at the end of the day,
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  Canada's going to be united. And Albertans, I'm born and
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  raised Alberta, and Albertans are seriously patriotic Canadians.
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  Speaker 2: Very patriotic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great people, hardworking.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the nicest people you ever met across.
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  Speaker 1: They are great people.
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  Speaker 2: Hardy.
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  Speaker 1: They are a hardy people.
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  Speaker 2: It's cold up there. It is cold. They know how
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  to survive. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You got to be tough to survive the cold in Canada.
• 2:15:09
  Carve a country like we have out of that cold
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  weather on that big open land. But people just keep
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  on going. And Alberta's got a real kind of rugged individualism.
• 2:15:21
  And people– People love their agriculture. There's great ranches in Alberta,
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  beautiful grasslands in Saskatchewan.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up there?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: I think Brock Lesnar bought land in Alberta. Really? I
• 2:15:36
  think he owns a ranch up there.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: Actually, I had heard that from somebody.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen him.
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  Speaker 2: He fell in love with it. Well, he's a big
• 2:15:41
  hunter as well. Right. He fell in love with it
• 2:15:43
  up there because it's just, it's so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: It's a great country.
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  Speaker 2: And the woods are so dense and beautiful and you
• 2:15:50
  got wolves and bears and moose and everything up there.
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  It's amazing country.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: The Canadian Rockies are spectacular as well. They're, you know,
• 2:15:58
  a worldwide attraction. You know, you go to Lake Louise,
• 2:16:01
  it looks like a tropical lake because it's all this
• 2:16:03
  runoff from the mountain melt. And you'd think you were
• 2:16:07
  in the tropics because it's this, this turquoise green. That's
• 2:16:10
  where I grew up. I love, I love Calgary. I
• 2:16:12
  love Southern Alberta. That's really my home. And so you
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  got to come to the Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on earth.
• 2:16:18
  A lot of Texans go up for the Stampede because
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  it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People don't think cowboy Canada. They don't think of that,
• 2:16:26
  but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Calgary, they've got some serious cowboys there.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love Canada. I just.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: If you did your comedy show in Calgary, you'd get
• 2:16:35
  a massive turnout.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. It would be great.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Think it over.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I was supposed to be up there before COVID.
• 2:16:41
  I was supposed to do a show up there for
• 2:16:43
  420 for April 20th. I was going to do it
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  in Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: That's another great city.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: Every year I would do these 420 shows like these,
• 2:16:53
  you know, 420 is the marijuana number. And Canada, now
• 2:16:56
  you guys have legal marijuana, too.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: It's been legal for 10 years.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: Which they should have in America. It's so ridiculous. They
• 2:17:02
  just recently decided to make it Schedule 3.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Is it state by state?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. It's legal in a lot of states, but
• 2:17:10
  it's still not legal federally. It's goofy. If alcohol is legal,
• 2:17:13
  marijuana is far safer. It should be legal. It's ridiculous.
• 2:17:16
  It's also a personal freedom thing. Leave people alone. It's
• 2:17:20
  like no one's robbing banks, smoking weed, fucking killing neighbors.
• 2:17:24
  It's crazy.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: That's a personal choice thing.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not– It's not heroin. It's not opiates. It's
• 2:17:30
  not like– maybe you shouldn't do it if you have
• 2:17:32
  mental health problems, right? But there's a lot of people
• 2:17:35
  that just like take a pot gummy and go to
• 2:17:37
  bed and it makes them sleep better. Like leave them alone.
• 2:17:40
  Like leave people alone. Let people have a glass of whiskey.
• 2:17:43
  Let people have a glass of wine with dinner. Leave
• 2:17:45
  them alone. Like stop coming up with laws where you
• 2:17:49
  can impose. your values and your morals and your judgments
• 2:17:53
  on other people. Let them have, make their own personal, look,
• 2:17:56
  if you want to eat a fucking cheeseburger, eat a cheeseburger.
• 2:17:59
  You know, if you want to go and have five
• 2:18:01
  Big Macs, you should be able to. I don't think
• 2:18:03
  you should do it, but I don't think there should
• 2:18:05
  be a law stopping you. And I think that should
• 2:18:07
  apply to a lot of things in life, and we'd
• 2:18:10
  be a lot better off.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is, if you cannot trust a
• 2:18:14
  man to govern himself, how can you trust him to
• 2:18:16
  govern for others? Like, if you think that human nature
• 2:18:21
  is so flawed that people cannot make decisions for themselves—
• 2:18:25
  then how could you possibly trust human nature to make
• 2:18:27
  decisions for other people, to impose decisions on their lives?
• 2:18:31
  And who watches the watchman? We're constantly told we need
• 2:18:36
  to be kind of guided by these people from ivory towers.
• 2:18:39
  But who are these angels anyway? They're just human beings
• 2:18:41
  like everyone else. So when you give them more power
• 2:18:43
  and more You give them the power to impose their
• 2:18:46
  will on people, then that ultimately gets abused.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: So even– you're right. Even when somebody is doing something
• 2:18:51
  that I don't agree with and I would think it
• 2:18:53
  would be better for all of us if they didn't
• 2:18:55
  do it, the mal that is done by giving me
• 2:18:58
  the power to impose my decision-making on them is worse
• 2:19:01
  than the benefit of trying to direct them towards a
• 2:19:04
  better decision.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Well said.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: That's my philosophy.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I like you.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where I come from.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: You make a lot of sense.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. I think all the best things in
• 2:19:13
  life are simple. We overcomplicate things. Government is way too complicated.
• 2:19:19
  I think we need to get back to the simplicity.
• 2:19:22
  The greatest speech in the English language was Abraham Lincoln's
• 2:19:26
  Gettysburg Address, 271 words. Einstein compressed mass and energy into
• 2:19:34
  a five-character equation. The You know, Bruce Lee was an
• 2:19:39
  advocate of simplicity, like simplicity is is a virtue. And
• 2:19:43
  I think we have to get back to simplicity, especially
• 2:19:45
  in government. Simpler, clearer, easier to manage. That's the that's
• 2:19:51
  the kind of the philosophical take I pursue.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I think like that philosophy and
• 2:19:59
  that perspective from a leader is what we need in
• 2:20:02
  this world, you know.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I think leaders have to have humility because the
• 2:20:06
  problem is that if you are an egomaniac and you're
• 2:20:09
  in power anywhere in the world, then you're going to
• 2:20:12
  want to just continually impose new rules and laws to
• 2:20:15
  make yourself bigger. Whereas if you believe in freedom, then
• 2:20:19
  you have to take, you have to be able to
• 2:20:20
  say to yourself, I don't know better for this other person.
• 2:20:23
  He knows better what's for him. And, you know, it's hard,
• 2:20:27
  but politicians have to think that they have to trust
• 2:20:31
  the people. But, you know, nobody wants to have He
• 2:20:34
  left people alone on their gravestone. They want to think, oh,
• 2:20:36
  he built this. He imposed that. He made this grand
• 2:20:40
  initiative that he imposed on the people in order to
• 2:20:42
  have a legacy. My legacy is just to let other
• 2:20:45
  people build their legacies in their own lives.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: I think the idea of forging a legacy based on
• 2:20:51
  controlling people and imposing your will is ludicrous. Exactly. Yeah.
• 2:20:56
  But the problem is history is littered with people like that. Absolutely.
• 2:20:59
  Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan. There's so many people that
• 2:21:02
  imposed their will and left a legacy. But is that good?
• 2:21:06
  I don't think it is. And it's also they're dead.
• 2:21:09
  They are, exactly. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: Nobody walked by one of those magnificent tombs in Petra
• 2:21:17
  and said, boy, I'd really like to be inside there.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. What is happening while you're alive is what's really
• 2:21:23
  significant and the most impactful thing. Do well. Do good
• 2:21:28
  for the people. And I think your message resonates with me.
• 2:21:32
  Thank you. And if I was a Canadian, I would
• 2:21:34
  vote for you 100%.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for that. Well, it's a privilege
• 2:21:39
  to do this work, and I consider it very humbling,
• 2:21:42
  and I'm very proud to be Canadian and to take
• 2:21:45
  the message of Canada here to our American friends.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're here doing that, and I think
• 2:21:50
  this is going to have a big impact. Absolutely. I
• 2:21:53
  really hope it moves the needle up in Canada.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And down here, we've got to get these tariffs gone.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Get the tariffs gone.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: Well— Let's work it out. Right on. Work it out.
• 2:22:02
  And if you win, I'm coming up there. I promise.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to try to get you up there earlier.
• 2:22:06
  I'm going to keep working on you.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: And you look at that maple leaf on your new
• 2:22:09
  kettlebell every day. Eventually, we're going to work subliminally into
• 2:22:14
  your subconscious and get.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: You up there. Well, look, like I said, you don't
• 2:22:16
  have to sell me on Canada. I love Canada. And
• 2:22:19
  I love that gift. So thank you so much. I
• 2:22:21
  really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you for
• 2:22:22
  being here. Thank you. It was awesome. All right.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye.