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PARENTAL CONTROL: Strong Opinions About Murphy Beds (w/ Kae Lani Palmisano) · Breaking Mayberry

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of Breaking Mayberry, a show that's all
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  about creating and realizing an artistic vision, about getting an idea and an inspiration
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  and going with it despite what anybody says, pursuing your vision, regardless of
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  the collateral damage it causes. That's the most important thing is when is that
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  your vision gets realized, especially when you are creating things for other people.
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  I'm one of your hosts. I'm Marty Schneider. The other host Dan Ludwig,
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  and today we're gonna explain that in a second joining us today for another
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  episode of Parental Control, our newest mini series. One of the two mini
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  series is that we're doing at the same time. We'll get back to Maybury
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  someday. We don't care is friend of the show, food writer, Emmy
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  winning host of Why Wise Check Please, and a bunch of other things that
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  she'll tell you about. Miss Kai Lannie Palmisano. Hey, thanks for having
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  me back. Welcome back. We're happy to have you here. You're a
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  big get for us. Thank you. I'm so flattered. This is a
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  big get for me. Kaylanie, Will you go ahead and tell our listeners
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  what you're up to and where people can find you. I'm gonna do it
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  upfront because oh sure, that's how much I care about this. I want
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  people to know about your things. Yes, well, I am the host
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  of check Please Philly on Why Y, which airs on Thursdays at seven thirty
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  and then you can catch it again during the Cooking Block on Saturdays at four
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  pm. In addition to that, I am a food and try ravel writers.
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  You can find me across the interwebs in all different kinds of newspapers.
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  This summer I did like a big barbecue project in Kansas City. It was
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  a good time. And yeah, I guess the best way to keep up
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  with the my Shenanigans is just finding me on Instagram and TikTok and something maybe
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  Twitter if that's still around by the time this airs at Kailani says, And
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  yeah, I also have a new project coming out on Substack called side Quests,
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  which is more nerdy deep dives. And I think that this is going
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  to kind of give you a little bit of taste as to the types of
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  topics I like to explore. Oh hey, yeah, we're a preview,
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  Yes, an appetizer as it were. Got that corporate synergy thing going on
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  promotion, cross platform promotion. Figuring out what that is. It's be a
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  part of what we're about to talk about, Kailanie. We are in the
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  middle of parental control. And for those listeners who haven't maybe listened before,
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  the idea behind parental control is that we have guests on to talk about television
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  and their parents. Essentially, our guests choose a television show that was either
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  a their parents' favorite when their parents were young, b your parents' favorite when
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  you were young, or see your parents' favorite TV show. Now and Kailanie,
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  you chose B and you chose a show that has some memories with you
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  and your mother, right, yes, tell us about your mom and tell
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  us about your relationship to this television show. So you're gonna love her name.
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  Her name is Bunny Lions, no doubt, are you shitting me?
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  You actually sitting her real name. Her actual name is Bunny Lions. She
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  is a baker, you know, well, okay, she's a nurse and
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  a bay So like she's had all these iterations of her life where she took
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  herself through school, got her nursing degree. Then after years of nursing at
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  the ripe age of fifty was like, I don't to open a bakery.
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  So now she has Bunnycakes Bakery in Berlin, New Jersey. Yeah, if
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  you I picked Trading Spaces because in the early two thousands, my parents were
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  very young homeowners. They had their first home and they wanted to decorate their
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  home, and we watched Trading Spaces every single weekend. I just I remember.
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  It was a ritual. It was like we'd go to Home Depot and
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  Lowe's on a Saturday, and then maybe we'd go out have dinner or lunch
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  or linner, late dinner or late lunch at a diner somewhere, and then
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  we'd come home just in time for Trading Spaces. Oh my god. Okay,
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  so first off, first I get first off, first, okay,
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  if you if you said there's a person named Bunny Lions, what is their
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  biography, I just go like, well, yeah, a nurse slash baker
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  that now owns a bakery. So that's just like with the name, the
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  name perfectly encapsulates her life. It's like, what, I don't understand how
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  Bunny Lions Bakery nurse is not already a show on til Yes, she was
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  on Food Network. Of course she was now hang out a second. Was
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  she on Food Network before or after you got into the food writing industry?
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  Did she? Did you? Well? She was being courted for like one
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  of those competition shows and like around the time that I started Check Please and
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  Pandemic kind of like postpones some things. But eventually she did go and she
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  did the Christmas Cookie Challenge on Food Network. I need to go back in
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  China and I need to make a pitch to ABC for a show that can
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  follow Charmed because Bunny Lions Bakery Nurse is such a slam dunk. Need to
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  point out Dan Charmed was on the WB slash the CW. That is a
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  very important distinction to make because no, I'm making this distinction because Bunny Lion's
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  Bakery Nurse is basic cable at at at least that, Yeah, we might
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  be able to pitch that to HBO. That might be a premium series,
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  and we might be able to really pitch it to HBO. Now, got
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  I keep I keep teasing this Trading Spaces If you've never seen the show,
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  if you don't know what we're talking about, Actually, Kilani, do you
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  want to go ahead and describe what Trading Spaces is? Yeah? It's it's
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  this show where two couples that are friends they switch houses and they have forty
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  eight hours to decorate a room in each other's houses, and so they get
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  a they get paired up with a designer, and they also only have a
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  budget of one thousand dollars. So it's really a show about ingenuity, of
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  being clever, of stretching your dollar, which was a big deal in the
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  early two thousands. I mean it's a big deal now, but really back
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  then it was like, look, you can design an entire room for under
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  a thousand dollars. Make a great case for that. It doesn't really make
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  a strong argument for what you can do as a homeowner with a thousand dollars.
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  Well, we come to learn that the show is really about the disasters
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  that happened. Thank you, thank you, because what I was about to
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  say there is like, Kaylani, love you, respect you, Everything you
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  just said is total bullshit. The show is not about that. The show
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  is not about that. The show is about, as far as I can
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  tell, the ego of some designers forcing their will upon unsuspecting homeowners to create
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  the ug least Holmes rooms I've ever seen. I get the feeling that like
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  there's like a secret show going on behind the scenes where the homeowner or the
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  decorators are kind of in a bet with each other to be like how hideous
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  can I make this room and have them still pretend to like it, like
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  they're doing like a producer style scam in the background. It is like a
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  Japanese game show where an interior designer comes into your home, your friend's home
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  and has a nervous breakdown and you get points for how much damage you can
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  mitigate, like oh yeah, it's it's crazy. How as soon as they
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  switch houses and they meet the designers for the first time, the designer always
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  starts off with what are your thoughts about this room? And these aren't these
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  people's friends, they know them really well. They say, well, they
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  really really don't want X. Like one of the episodes that we watched was
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  they don't want Asian inspired design, they don't want orange, they don't want
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  these things. And then the designers like, well, here's what I'm thinking.
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  Doesn't listen to a word that the you know, the participants of the
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  show had just said and are like imposes their will, just takes their feedback
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  and then crumps it into a ball and stomps on it repeatedly. Yeah,
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  I really, it's so funny. When you asked me to do this,
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  I remembered trading spaces, and I remembered really funny moments of it. But
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  I really thought it was about the people who were designing each other's houses.
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  But really it is about the designers and their bad ideas. They are basically
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  manual, unpaid, manual labor with minor input, like, and they cling
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  to the input that they are able to provide so desperately. We're like the
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  we watched the Harlem one and they're like, we bought them a little rock
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  fountain because we thought that this would be what they want, and the designers
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  like cool, put it over in the corner. I don't give a shit.
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  They have three ess. It was surrect y, sexy and simple.
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  Didn't make anyone else really uncomfortable. How much that woman hammered she didn't want
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  anything Asian, like how many times that show repeated no Asian things, nothing
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  Asian like remotely Asian. It was a it was a passing remark. It
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  for an off color and uncomfortable passing remark. It said in like the first
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  three sentences. Yeah, like she's just like, hey, I'm Julie,
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  I'm from Everett, Washington, and nothing Asian should touch my home. Yes.
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  It was like I was like, well, let's just I'm sure they're
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  gonna blow past that. And then it needed to come up because the designer
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  was like, I'm really feeling Asian theme today. Oh yeah, And everything
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  was centered around this valance or the shades that were made out of a kimono.
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  Yeah, something like that. Yeah, so about about the most Asian
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  thing you could have picked, essentially, like they just kind of walked there
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  and we're like, hey, we're gonna turn this room into a pagoda.
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  Yeah, we do. We want to pick one and focus on that and
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  then we move on today. I think I think we should. So we
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  watched. So first off, I'm excited for this because this is Dan and
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  I's first four A into reality television. You're the first one who has brought
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  up. Everything we've done so far is scripted, and I guess we got
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  to get on board with this because it's about what a place to start too,
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  because I had mentioned before we started recording that I did a lot of
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  history on TLC and come to find out that Trading Spaces actually really does help
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  facilitate the reality TV genre. Yeah, for sure. It is jess as
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  influentials like Survivor, which also around the same time. Yeah, well the
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  first episode, when did Survivor start? Because the first episode of Trading Spaces
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  is October thirteenth of the year two thousand. Yeah, Survivor starts around the
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  same time, right, Survivor The Amazing Race starts the next year. I
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  started rewatching The Amazing Race recently, and that takes place in early two thousand
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  and one, and there are two very big clues that indicate that. Yeah.
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  Yes, and so Trading Spaces airs originally from two thousand to two thousand
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  and eight on TLC, and they start. They had a reboot in twenty
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  eighteen. Is that still going. I'm not sure. Didn't look like it
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  it was. It doesn't seem like it's going. It's still going, which
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  means Dan breaking Mayberry outlasted the Trading Spaces reboot. Yeah, suck it,
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  CHLC in your faces. So it aired at a time when well, you
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  want to get into the economics real quick of this U because it's two thousand.
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  Yeah, it starts in the year two thousand and this is a few
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  years before the subprime mortgage crisis. I just realized the show ends in two
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  thousand and eight. Two thousand and eight is exactly when you should have started
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  the show. Oh my gosh, I mean. But so, what was
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  kind of happening was like people were buying homes that they could either just barely
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  afford or not really afford. And around this time you start hearing the concept
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  of what's called house poor, which is you can just afford the house,
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  you can't really afford to do much else. And unfortunately, like my family
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  was one of these families, we were well, my family definitely described themselves
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  as house poor. Were we were house poor. We could just afford the
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  house, and my parents did it. They did a great job. I'm
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  really proud of them. They worked really really hard, but they worked really
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  really hard to maintain a house where we had two empty rooms. It was
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  the as soon as you walked into our house, it was just completely empty.
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  There was like this den kind of I guess the living room area that
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  was completely empty, and our dining room was completely empty. So you walk
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  in and it was just like, well, we just couldn't furnish those rooms
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  yet. But my parents worked really hard and they really loved interior design and
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  they loved DIY and that's why so many of our weekends were spent at Loews
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  and Home Depot and then watching trading spaces. It makes sense, and like
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  I think one of the stretcher dollar thing, like we were also coming out
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  of the nineties, like that massive economic boon. Things hadn't crashed yet and
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  they wouldn't, but it was like slowing down, Like the job market was
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  like no longer an absolute Like I think there was a little bit of a
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  hiccup around two thousand and three, two thousand and four, but it was
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  nowhere near as prolifically bad as like I think subprime mortgage crisis is technically like
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  starts to percolate in two thousand and six and then really bottoms out in like
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  two thousand and eight, when that's like what we really think of as that
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  crisis. That how this show gets infinitely sadder when you consider how many of
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  these people were on redecorating homes that they were living in that they could not
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  afford. We're basically watching like evidence for the mortgage crisis. This is stuff
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  that people could have used in the Big Short Yeah, totally the stuff they
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  could have used in a class action lawsuit. So that's just kidding. No
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  one will ever be punished for that. So we talked a little bit about
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  the economics, but like, this is also happening in the year two thousands,
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  so it's like, okay, history of TLC time. What would you
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  think if I told you that NASA founded the Learning Channel? That would make
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  sense? Yeah, that would I follow that because I remember as a small
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  child, TLC was like nothing but space footage. Yeah, I like a
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  puppet bird that was an astronaut. I don't remember his name, but I
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  remember a like bird muppet that talked about space a lot. Yes, it
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  was birthed in nineteen seventy two technically when the Department of Health and Education partnered
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  with NASA and they wanted to start an educational channel, so they had all
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  this educational programming. In nineteen eighty it gets acquired by Central Appalachian Network and
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  it's then called the Learning Channel TLC and nineteen ninety one, Discovery buys it
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  for I think like thirty one point five million dollars something like that, and
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  they continued this educational Initiative, and yes there was that space program. I
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  remember that Space program. There was also another docuse series about dinosaurs, but
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  the programming was really really dry until nineteen ninety eight. Do you remember what
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  was that show, Trauma Life in the Er? I do remember Trauma Life
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  in the Y. That was one of my sister's shows. I remember.
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  I remember TLC as a child being like the channel that makes dinosaurs boring.
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  Yeah, it was so dry. I was just like, like my parents
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  would be like, do you want to watch this? This is everything you
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  think is cool? Look it's dinosaurs in space and I'm like this. It
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  was drive, but they they hit on something. Let that becomes part of
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  their big rebrand in the year two thousand, which is people really like that
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  it's reality. But it was also it was like they sent a docuseriies crew
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  to film real people, real life, real things and it strikes on the
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  drama of trauma. And yeah, that's so shortly after they rebrand, and
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  that's when Trading Spaces comes to fruition. But it comes into fruition with like
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  other shows and it just turns into a landslide of like Junkyard Wars, John
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  and Kate bless A, nineteen Kids in County, Hoarders, all these shows,
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  my strange addiction, Honey Boo Boo, and all of the Honey Boo
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  Boo cinematic universe, like all comes out of the trading spaces phenomenon. You
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  might be saying, listeners, wait, those channels. Those shows weren't all
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  on TLC. Some of those were on A and E. Some of those
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  were on other networks, Bravo. It was all the same team. It's
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  all the same guy pretty much putting all these together, realizing this ship is
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  cheap as as hell to make to make, and it doesn't matter how tacky
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  it is, We'll watch it and slurp it up because of the tackiness.
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  I'm not saying yeah, I'm not saying that to pretend like I'm above anybody.
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  I also slurp up the tackiness. That's the premise of this entire show.
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  Like it's like weirdly comforting. It is this kind of it's weirdly relatable
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  because these are real life people. But then you also kind of feel like,
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  oh, I'm you know, not, I don't know, it's just
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  it does feel a little exploitative. It's it's kind like I don't. I
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  don't normally watch shows like this, um uh than us No. No,
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  I was about to say I watch a different kind of dumb bullshit, Like
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  now that this is all dumb bullshit, I'm but when I was trying to
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  this, like there's a weird like cathartic thrill of like it feels like you're
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  rooting around in someone else's life. Um where it's like it's very like not
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  even voyeuristic, because the entire time I'm like, I'm I'm judging these people
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  and I'm trying to figure out what the dynamic is between them. Are they
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  fighting those they're like an incident between scenes and it definitely like it. It
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  feels like sort of like more than voyeuristic where you're actually like digging around in
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  someone else's like world. Oh and some of it and but bt dubs the
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  shows I listed are actually all TLC show but I could haven and oh yeah,
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  I think they rebroadcast it, but I think correct me if I'm wrong.
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  But I think there was like Hoarders Buried Alive was on TLC. Maybe
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  I'm wrong about like the normal like Hoarders Listen, you did actual research to
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  this. I'm going off my memory, so we're gonna default to you.
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  But I'm pretty sure Hoarders was an E broadcast because I know some of Honey
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  Booboo stuff is also not on TLC like sometimes it's on other other channels,
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  because ANY also went through a big rebrand around this time, because ANY used
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  to be the Arts and Entertainment Network, and it was because nothing's more artistic
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  than saving everything. Yeah, and it was, and it would have like
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  boring operas, but also the show biography was on there, and it would
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  just be like, hey, here's here's an hour we're gonna tell you about
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  the entire life of Tom Hanks. Wasn't Wasn't Hoarders very like it tried to
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  be very like somber at first, and it was like, look at the
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  state of these people's addiction. Yeah, it's kind of like there were moments
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  where it really was kind of it was I'm looking at the Wikipedia. Yeah,
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  it's hoarding Buried Alive. So sorry, Hoarders must have been so it
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  was like a spin off. Sorry, but yeah, I forget. I
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  think it was. Hoarders was like actually a little bit more like they had
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  a psychologist that would come and give them therapy and kind of also educate people
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  on why hoarding is such a phenomenon and what are the kind of underlying issues
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  that cause it. So I feel like, yeah, maybe an he was
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  a little bit more educational about it. I'm sure there's now like wacky sound
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  effects and takes to the camera. My question would be like, isn't an
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  actual psychologist or is it like Karamo from A Queer Eye for the Straight Guy
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  another influential reality show where it's just like, this guy's gonna come and give
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  you advice and tell you about your life, but he has zero qualifications to
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  do. So his qualification was it was the queer perspective. Yeah. Uh,
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  so let's let's go ahead and jump to where this this wall ends up.
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  Like I said, this is all the doing of one team, one
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  guy essentially. Uh. And now David Zaslov, the CEO of Discovery,
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  is also now the the CEO person in charge of Warner Brothers Discovery since the
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  merger. So every scripted television show, every animated series that you love that
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  suddenly disappeared off of HBO, Max, Uh, Justice for the Summer Camp
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  Island. Uh, It's it's it's all this guy Sale on Infinity Train,
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  I guess right on Infinity of these all of these shows I love, but
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  it's it's it's because it's because they realized people tune into this and uh,
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  these shows, which cost nothing to make, have a giant audience. And
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  streaming is also a just wayland so they can get more subscribers if they just
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  say, come here and subscribe, and you can get all of the Chip
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  and Joanna gains you ever want. And it kind of starts here at trading
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  spaces, training spaces. I think though definitely hit a sweet spot because it
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  is reality. We are looking into these people lives, these strangers. But
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  more than that, you see the recurring characters. They have the same designers
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  come over and over again. They have the same carpenter show up over again.
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  And as Dan was alluding to, I think everyone who worked on these
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  shows kind of hated each other. They're sniping constantly. They've all slept together.
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  Yes, they're like flirting, they're like arguing with one another. There's
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  clear beef between them. So yeah, and if you've ever worked in a
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  kitchen, that's the vibe that's going off. It's basically the fucking bearing And
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  you're also competing for the carpenter's time. So there's a lot of times where
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  the designers are arguing because there is only it's usually either Thy Pennington or there
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  was one episode where it was Amy Win and um, yeah, they're all
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  competing for Well, no, my project is you know, has priority.
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  Ty Pennington fucking hates these people. He like, I know him from Extreme
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  Home Makeover. He was like, I'm the fun, whacky guy and on
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  this he's like, yeah, I'll make it your fucking shelves. Jesus Christ.
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  It was very weird, stupid. It was very weird because with Tie
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  Pennington, especially because he was the only name that I had ever heard before.
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  Like Dan said, I didn't know he had a personality, and I
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  didn't also didn't know that personality was a sarcastic dick. So he alternates between
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  mugging for the camera because he's really clearly auditioning for that host role. Yeah,
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  which Kaylani you would know all about. So he's very clearly pushing for
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  that angle, but alternates between that and just kind of going fuck you,
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  fuck you, yeah, fuck you. Let's t about the episode. We've
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  spent twenty five minutes introducing the concept of trading spaces. I think I think
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  people will understand it, but I think we give good, good context.
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  We watch two episodes. Do we want to start with Harlem and ease ourselves
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  in or do we want to jump straight to Washington and no, I think
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  we start with Harlem. We start with Harlem. So we watched two episodes.
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  I think they might have come from the same season. It was a
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  bitch to find like watchable episodes on these You can't for being such a marketable
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  property, you can't buy or rent episodes anywhere. We're gonna put links in
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  the bio. So we've basically wound up finding like weird uploads on YouTube.
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  Most of them were taken from like old VHS tapes. I think one of
• 25:42
  them came from like the son of a couple that was on the show,
• 25:48
  and so it was just like a VHS tape of his parents' episode see him
• 25:52
  hitting play on the VHS. The greediness of it was so charming. It
• 25:57
  really kind of adds to the atmosphere that you're about to watch someone be murdered,
• 26:03
  Like it really really as that. So we watched those. We watched
• 26:07
  two. One is set in Harlem, the other is set in Everett,
• 26:11
  Washington, which is a suburb of Seattle, and I think those those two
• 26:15
  things are very different or are very distinct. Um, Kaylanie, I don't
• 26:21
  remember the names of any of these people. So if you want to give
• 26:22
  the names of the designers, oh my godness, Okay, so I don't.
• 26:26
  I don't remember the names of the couple. Oh you know what,
• 26:29
  you know what? Hang on, I don't. Yeah, the names of
• 26:30
  the couples are are irrelevant. I actually havens though I actually have the design
• 26:37
  Okay, good god. Yeah, So let's start. Let's start in Uh,
• 26:44
  let's start in Harlem. So our host Paige Davis comes in and basically
• 26:51
  talks like a white woman talking about Harlem. Uh but did you guys know
• 26:56
  that Harlem had jazz? Because this was my first time learning about it.
• 27:00
  I this was complete news to me. It was. It's very rough to
• 27:04
  watch her sit there and go we're in the streets of Harlem and it's jazzy
• 27:10
  and yazz. Yeah, band leader Duke Ellington's like house. It's very weird.
• 27:22
  She's got the very quintessential nineties haircut. It's almost the Rachel but not
• 27:27
  quite the Rachel. Uh. And she's wearing a green T shirt with a
• 27:33
  stylized cartoon cat. I'm so glad that you brought that up, because I
• 27:37
  have in my notes early two thousands graphic teas as a thing to talk about.
• 27:41
  Got them high rise jeans on there too. Yes, one thing I
• 27:47
  love about the way they talk about Harlem, which is jazz, was one
• 27:52
  point. The woman from the green shirt couple just like kind of like talking
• 27:56
  to her partner, just goes, they know that we have stuff other than
• 27:59
  jazz, as right, that doesn't We're a complicated neighborhood with a lot of
• 28:03
  history and just moves past it. Yeah, there's uh so the teams here
• 28:10
  the it's an all female team, all white women. The designer is the
• 28:15
  host and the carpenter. Kia. Oh, I don't think Kia wash No,
• 28:18
  I'm sorry, Oh sorry, okay, yes, Kia, Kia is.
• 28:23
  There's one there's one black woman. She wasn't working on the black couple's
• 28:27
  house, was she, because it was it was the white, red haired
• 28:30
  woman who said all the jazz thing. Oh yeah, she's like when I
• 28:33
  think of Harlem, I think of ragtime and jazz. Yeah, which was
• 28:40
  not indicative in her design at all it was. It was very awkward listening
• 28:45
  to this Laurie Smith Suburbs Laurie Smith. Uh, this redheaded white woman from
• 28:52
  the suburbs, this escaped sex in the city extra just talking to this black
• 28:59
  couple that lives in Harlem about Harlem. It was painful. And that's like
• 29:04
  one, I'm gonna blame that on the producers. Like there's probably a producer
• 29:10
  saying like, connect this to the neighborhood somehow. H but so so they
• 29:17
  take over this um. So we have two couples. They are I don't
• 29:22
  know, I don't know their names. They are neighbors, they are friends.
• 29:26
  Uh. One of them has a bedroom that is kind of drab and
• 29:32
  plain and doesn't want and that's the one with the three s's that you mentioned.
• 29:37
  Yes, the neighbors essentially came in with a strategy I think in their
• 29:41
  designer was Kia and she was like, Okay, we want the three s's
• 29:47
  serenity, sexy and simple. And they also gifted their friends they really nice
• 29:53
  accent fountain for their ruige and their access fountain. That that fountain broke me
• 30:00
  because they were like, here's an access found. We put a lot of
• 30:03
  thought into getting this, and the designer was like, I that's fine.
• 30:07
  I could not give less of a shit. And then at the end when
• 30:10
  the entire apartment is a disaster, they're like, have you seen the fountain
• 30:15
  And they're like, we love the fountain life. But the sake we explained
• 30:22
  to is to our audience, we're going to need to come up with a
• 30:25
  way to describe these couples. So we'll say, couple a with Kia the
• 30:30
  orange shirt couple. Yeah, Orange team, because it's also it's listed as
• 30:33
  a game show, so it is gamified, so we can like it's Orange
• 30:37
  team and Green Team. They're they're the orange iguanas in the green monkeys.
• 30:42
  That's where we're going with. We're going legend to the hidden tumple on this,
• 30:47
  and then the next one is blue barracudas and purple parakeets. I think,
• 30:55
  yeah, yeah, parents, it's purple parents. But you're close.
• 30:57
  You're close. Uh okay, So the Orange team is working on the Green
• 31:03
  team's house. Green team is working on the Orange team's house. The Green
• 31:06
  team is working with designer Laurie Smith, who I'm pretty sure I've dated at
• 31:11
  some point, like a very enthusiastic but poorly planned out redhead. Yeah,
• 31:21
  that's that's everyone I dated in my twenties. Uh So, Laurie Smith is
• 31:25
  working with them, and then Kia is working with the Orange team. Kia
• 31:30
  is putting together with the Orange team for the Green team, for the Green
• 31:36
  This is harder than I thought. It was going to be a bedroom and
• 31:37
  her big idea is a Murphy bed. She says, we're in Harlem,
• 31:45
  We're in a city. Space is at a premium. So what we're going
• 31:48
  to do is we're going to build shelving into the entire wall and the bed's
• 31:52
  gonna be in the wall. And she presents it like it's this absolutely like
• 31:59
  my blowing revolution of interior design, Like what if there was a bed in
• 32:04
  a wall? And then like twenty minutes later, pages goes, so you're
• 32:07
  giving them a Murphy bed, and yes, it's a fucking Murphy bed.
• 32:12
  Yes, but it also was not a small bedroom because if I remember correctly,
• 32:15
  they also had an office in their bedroom was kind of like a cohabitation
• 32:19
  space, but it was not a small bedroom. The Murphy bed is like
• 32:23
  cartoons shorthand for poor people. Right. The Muppets used this gag that you
• 32:30
  have a bunch of people crammed from Murphy bed and the bed always like that
• 32:32
  is it is, it is such has such baggage to it. It's also
• 32:37
  a falsehood because it doesn't really give you more space because most of the time
• 32:43
  your bed's gonna be down. Like they had to drink their entire apartment by
• 32:47
  like a foot. They had to hide it into the wall. Yeah,
• 32:52
  but not only that, they had these like sliding walls that would cover the
• 32:57
  shelves, so if you had the bed down needed to access the shelves,
• 33:00
  you couldn't. Yeah, And doing all of this, they really should have
• 33:07
  done some sound mixing because to open the Murphy bed you had to move the
• 33:10
  wooden things aside, which was loud, and then you had and then they
• 33:15
  gave you every single creak of that Murphy bed descend. It was like a
• 33:19
  metal And also they had to prefab all of this and they only have forty
• 33:24
  eight hours if that, because I honestly don't think it's a true forty eight
• 33:30
  hours, because they have one full day where they do the key swap,
• 33:34
  they do a little bit of work overnight. They always have homework right the
• 33:37
  designer leaves and they're left with homework, which I think it's important in this
• 33:40
  episode to mention that Kia's team, the Murphybed team, didn't do their homework
• 33:49
  because I guess whatever, the plaster dried and they were like, up,
• 33:53
  the plaster dried, can't do the project overnight, so it set them back
• 33:59
  hard. Cool. How would you guys react if you came home and suddenly
• 34:04
  there was a Murphy bed? I am? I am I the only person
• 34:08
  with an intense emotional reaction to that. I'd be mad because I am going
• 34:14
  to pull that out every night. I didn't realize that I had strong feelings
• 34:17
  about the concept of the Murphy bed, but apparently I do. It's bullshit.
• 34:23
  It is a lie. Right you say it saves you space, but
• 34:27
  no, it fucking doesn't. I can't I put the bed up, and
• 34:30
  I've got all this space here. What am I gonna do with it?
• 34:34
  Like I can't put a table there, I can't put a weight bench.
• 34:37
  All of a sudden, you know it's a lie. It's a false space.
• 34:40
  You can usually have to move all the other furniture to accommodate the fact
• 34:45
  that you need to pull out a bed every single night. And yeah,
• 34:49
  you did attention never going up. Ever, that bed is staying down because
• 34:52
  also they're gonna be like, well, I've woken up, it's time to
• 34:55
  completely strip my entire bed and and then raise it and then close two things,
• 35:02
  and then when I want to go to sleep, I have to remake
• 35:05
  my entire bed. Now I can't even get me to put pillowcases on half
• 35:09
  the time, right, Yeah, And to your point, Dan, no,
• 35:15
  you're wrong. You're wrong. That bed is going to go up quite
• 35:17
  often because eventually they're going to need to get to their own shit. They
• 35:22
  have to give to get to their own stuff. Because Kaylawnie wisely pointed out
• 35:27
  this bed installation includes built in shelves that become completely inaccessible when you open the
• 35:34
  doors to pull down the bed. So now my bed is there, and
• 35:38
  I'll go, well, time to go reach over here from my book or
• 35:40
  my alarm clock in thump, there's a door in the way. It's such
• 35:45
  a dipshit design. It was also a massive undertaking because you have a time
• 35:52
  limitation, you also have a budget limitation, and it took them nearly all
• 35:57
  of the time to do just the bed and the shelves. They don't finish
• 36:04
  the finish sadly and the like the designer is like nearly crying as they drag
• 36:12
  her out, and she's like desponded because she's like, I fucked up.
• 36:17
  She had a vision. She she was more upset that her vision didn't get
• 36:22
  executed. Yeah, Dan, you're you're putting some level of remorse there.
• 36:27
  Yeah, they show no remorse, which we'll find out in the next episode.
• 36:31
  They don't take accountability, she said as they dragged her away, saying
• 36:37
  it's time, like time to go, like like Paige basically has her in
• 36:40
  an arm lock, just dragging her off as she screamed, I put so
• 36:45
  much of myself into this and I'm and I'm at the TV screaming, Yeah,
• 36:50
  that's the problem. Like it's if I did something like a Murphy bed,
• 36:57
  that would be a six month conversation with my partner where we would figure
• 37:02
  out how that would work logistically and basically rearrange our entire lives around having a
• 37:08
  Murphy bed. And they were just like, I'm philli Murphy bed today.
• 37:13
  I've looked at your apartment once, but let's pull the trigger on this.
• 37:17
  The only world a Murphy bed would work in is like a guest room that
• 37:22
  duels as some other room that like, you don't pull it out all of
• 37:25
  the time. It's like a pullout couch. You don't pull it out all
• 37:29
  the time, but it's kind of convenient when it's there. Yeah, well
• 37:32
  we put it up so that we can move in the air hockey table when
• 37:37
  nobody's staying here. Yeah, and k Yeah, it's great for an airbian
• 37:40
  beer. And Kai spends all their time and all their money on that project,
• 37:47
  as evidence by the fact that by the end she's just going to her
• 37:50
  own house and pulling shit out of her own attic and painting it and calling
• 37:54
  it decor. She has like some Pan African symbol. There's an oncin there,
• 38:00
  there's some sort of African bird that all looked like they were props in
• 38:05
  like an eighth grade play about Africa. Yes, it is impressive where sometimes
• 38:10
  the designers get stuff because I think at one point she trash picked something from
• 38:16
  the home depot, which I was surprised that they were allowed to say they
• 38:23
  in the later episodes they don't. In the next episode they say the home
• 38:28
  good or the home furnishing store. They don't say no. Yeah, well,
• 38:32
  Kia, one point is like, oh, I trash picked this from
• 38:37
  the home depot, which I was to that. I was like, wow,
• 38:40
  that that could have been branded content. But I think this is before
• 38:45
  people really likely yeah it was. It definitely wasn't, but it probably was
• 38:50
  before a time where they realized that anytime you drop a product's name is an
• 38:52
  opportunity to make money. Like she's having a full on nervous breakdown by the
• 39:01
  end of the episode, where it is like like she's like snapping at page
• 39:07
  and she's just basically yelling it or in shirts like work faster. They were
• 39:13
  looking at the head and I remember the one guy on Kia's team was trying
• 39:17
  to upholster something and he's like, how much time do we have? Should
• 39:22
  I panic? And she just is like, you need to panic. The
• 39:27
  designers that work on this show needed it to run forever, because there is
• 39:32
  no way they got hired after this went off the air, because I would
• 39:37
  if I just googled Kia's name, I'd be like, well, there's her
• 39:42
  having a nervous breakdown in somebody's apartment, painting everything yellow and then fucking off.
• 39:46
  So probably not gonna hire her to do my outdoor renovation. But it
• 39:51
  feels like watching Hearts of Darkness, right, Yeah, Like they treat like
• 39:57
  redoing this bedroom as if they are filming a pock lips. Now, So,
• 40:01
  so what did you think of Lorie's design? Though? The other the
• 40:06
  couple that did finish their room. I was about to ask, is there
• 40:08
  anything interesting about them about that? No, she kind of liked it.
• 40:15
  I thought, I mean, I'm a sucker for Sage Green. But she
• 40:16
  had some interesting, like there's always a little cute DIY projects, Like the
• 40:21
  show is kind of in sections where there's all these, oh, painting tips
• 40:27
  or furnishing tips, but then there's always some kind of DIY project that the
• 40:31
  designers pull out. And she did kind of like a palm frond, like
• 40:36
  that you paint on a canvas and kind of leave an imprint. It's like
• 40:38
  some kind of like a kid's art project, and it was kind of cute.
• 40:44
  I wouldn't do it. Think that's cute. I think that's fine.
• 40:45
  I think I think it is a nice little like, oh, our friends
• 40:49
  made this for us kind of yeah. Yeah. But other than that,
• 40:52
  their whole excursion is pretty uneventful, uninteresting. I thought the yellow upholstery on
• 40:59
  the oh that was ugly. It. We saw the plants and we were
• 41:04
  like, oh man, those things are going to do. But these months,
• 41:06
  I thought they were plastic plastic. The upholstery on the dining room chairs
• 41:12
  it was just a slipcover over one of those chairs that has like the kind
• 41:16
  of holes through. It was like a very nineties. This was also really
• 41:20
  fun. It was a lot of these houses was updating intensely nineties houses to
• 41:25
  what people thought was going to be the new millennium. I was so shocked
• 41:30
  that the crazy lady who wouldn't shut up about Harlem wasn't the problematic one.
• 41:36
  I thought she was going to go absolutely berserk, and when she just kind
• 41:39
  of kept her head down and did very basic redesign and then everything was fine,
• 41:45
  I was like, I would have bet money that you were going to
• 41:49
  lose your mind doing this. So speaking of the end of the millennium or
• 41:54
  the end of the millium, getting into this as sort of a appartif or
• 41:59
  as soon as a Kailanie, what is a mid meal? Oh like a
• 42:04
  palate cleanser and a mouse bush as in a mouse boost, thank you,
• 42:08
  Kaylani, as in a mouse I knew I was wrong when I said appartif.
• 42:13
  Oh no, Well, it's funny because it's like, so, I
• 42:15
  have another newsletter that I didn't mention at the top of the podcast because it's
• 42:19
  kind of like my mus letter called a mouse boosh, which is big ideas
• 42:22
  in small bites but continue cute as as an amuse boosch. Here, before
• 42:28
  we go to the Harlem episode, I want to talk about one additional episode
• 42:31
  that I flipped through because the quality was pretty bad, and that is the
• 42:37
  Seventh Heaven crossover episode. I thought maybe we could get a two for here
• 42:42
  because Seventh Heaven was one of my mom's shows, Like that was a show
• 42:46
  that was on rotation in my house. But this clearly happens very late into
• 42:53
  the Seventh Heaven run because by this point some of the big names have left
• 42:58
  the show. You're the premise of this is it's still trading spaces except two
• 43:01
  of the male actors. By the way, did you know that Seventh Heaven
• 43:06
  had two actors who were brothers who played brothers on the show. No,
• 43:09
  no idea. It was very weird. These are weird dudes. I hated
• 43:14
  it very much. And also they didn't show up until like season seven or
• 43:17
  eight because the other guys who were playing the older brothers were like, you
• 43:22
  know what, we're out of here. We're better than this spoiler alert They
• 43:25
  weren't, but they bailed and they were replaced with two other guys who were
• 43:30
  actual brothers who also lived together, and there their couple a in this,
• 43:35
  their blue shirt couple. The other couple in this is Beverly Mitchell and Jessica
• 43:40
  Biel, who who are the other two who are two of the female characters
• 43:46
  on Seventh Heaven. They're two of the sisters, and they are redoing Beverly
• 43:51
  Mitchell's garage and the guys whose names are unimportant, they're like they're having their
• 43:58
  apartment like living room read on and it's very weird because it looks like like
• 44:05
  like, my apartment is nicer, is way nicer than what they live in.
• 44:07
  It looks it looks like it is this apartment that is rented by two
• 44:12
  twenty five year old actors that live together. Biggest Clemon Fame is a recurring
• 44:15
  role on seven seven. Anyway, this is mostly uninteresting beyond the weird sexualization
• 44:25
  of Jessica Biel. It culminates in the designer Hilde Saint Santo Tomas, who
• 44:34
  is um history's greatest monster. Oh yeah, her designs were consistently insane.
• 44:44
  Anyway, There's there's a scene as I'm as I'm flipping through and I'm just
• 44:49
  going through the YouTube, I'm like, Okay, this is boring, this
• 44:52
  is boring. Jessica Biele is taking off her shirt. What And there's a
• 44:55
  bit where I have to go back and watch why is Jessica be Why is
• 45:00
  like nineteen year old Jessica Beale taking off her shirt and they're taking pictures of
• 45:05
  like the back, like the small of her back, and like Beverley mitchell
• 45:09
  Is is taking pictures of them. So so this was the idea that they
• 45:14
  had that Hilde had for the boy's apartment. They come in, they reveal
• 45:20
  the apartment. They go, oh, hey, cool, you you built
• 45:23
  a hunch for our TV. Oh you painted the wall. Whose panties are
• 45:28
  those? There? Is? There are pictures on the wall of like sexy
• 45:32
  pictures of like the close up of a woman's hip and she's pulling like her
• 45:36
  panties out of her out of her pocket or like the back of uh,
• 45:42
  like like a woman's like behind and like the small of her backage. Right,
• 45:45
  Yeah, this is a very for some reason in the two early two,
• 45:50
  early mid two thousand's is like such a provocative space. It's like the
• 45:54
  tramp stamp area. This is exactly exactly, Yeah, it's this is why
• 46:00
  you wear low rise jeans and like like tummy shirts. Yeah it's yeah,
• 46:05
  so exactly. So it's like hips and small of the back in almost pubic
• 46:09
  hair or whatever, but like pant but like whale tails are coming out,
• 46:13
  like panties are coming up above them, and they're like so these are framed
• 46:16
  in like blown up in large silver frames. And page has to point out,
• 46:23
  so, uh, those hips are hildy. That is Jessica's, and
• 46:30
  that is Beverly. So they took pictures of the sexy parts of their bodies
• 46:35
  and framed them and put them on the wall. All right, So Kaylanie,
• 46:38
  kaylie. You you're you go on a date with a man, a
• 46:43
  young actor. You go home with him, uh, and you see framed
• 46:47
  on his wall are pictures of another woman's panties. Are they at least in
• 46:54
  black and white? Because I feel black and white mildly tasteful, mildly all
• 47:00
  right, black and white is saving that by the skin of its teeth.
• 47:06
  No, no, no, no, let me let me point out to
• 47:07
  you they are his coworker's panties. Now, that's just a line, that's
• 47:12
  a boundary. That's really wrong. But also was Hilde you said there was
• 47:17
  a photo of Yeah, that is so vain and also not a trading spaces
• 47:22
  first, because there's an episode. I think it's Genevieve who paints a mural
• 47:27
  of herself. Also Hilde Kaylani. Can we all right? Can we do
• 47:34
  a subject Hige? Do we want to just talk about Hilde and isolation?
• 47:37
  Because you also sent us a list of trading places fails and they're all Hildy.
• 47:45
  They're all Hildy. Hilde is insane. I just has such a bad
• 47:50
  idea like her. She goes into a space and is like, let's throw
• 47:55
  Hay on the wall, and people were like, my baby's allergic. Please.
• 48:01
  But before we move on to Hildie or maybe as a way to a
• 48:04
  segue into Hildy, I just want to say one thing, one last thing
• 48:07
  about the naval pictures, the smaller the back pictures, and that it is
• 48:13
  yes, there are three. One is Beverly Mitchell, one is Jessica Biale,
• 48:16
  these nineteen to twenty two year old actresses, and the third one is
• 48:22
  Hilde going, yeah, I'm in the same class. I'm just as sexy.
• 48:27
  She's insane. She put her face on somebody's wall, the wall of
• 48:32
  strangers, and it's just her face, and I can't imagine her selling that
• 48:38
  anybody on that. I think they just came in and were like, what
• 48:43
  the hell is this and she's like, I did it. You're welcome.
• 48:46
  Hildee is like I have trouble processing her as a human being. She feels
• 48:52
  like almost like an estra, extra dimensional entity that just drifts through reality,
• 48:58
  ruining every thing. Like I feel like she's like some horrible version of Doctor
• 49:04
  Who that like was there at the release of the Bubonic Plague and like was
• 49:09
  there at Waterloo giving Napoleon advice, like just decor advice. Yeah, she
• 49:19
  convinced Napoleon to wear that fucking hat. Hilde Santo Tomas is like if Nathan
• 49:24
  Fielder were a real housewife a year. That's accurate, that's really accurate,
• 49:34
  But it would be like you got Hildie, you knew you were in trouble.
• 49:37
  Yeah. Yeah, there is a hungry darkness behind her eyes that could
• 49:44
  never be fit. She really took risks and got the wrong kind of attention.
• 49:50
  But I mean, really, these kinds of reality TV shows, when
• 49:54
  they happen, I feel like they also helped facilitate that whole fluencer craise where
• 50:01
  it's like, yeah, oh h like anyone can be famous now and anyone
• 50:08
  can get lots of attention. And all of these shows also are niched down,
• 50:14
  like Trading Spaces is a DIY show, This is a Pinterest board waiting
• 50:19
  to happen. This is like a DIY TikTok waiting to happen. But Hilde
• 50:23
  just feels like she is the drama queen that doesn't mind getting hype for being
• 50:30
  a really bad designer. I mean, although I gotta admit she design,
• 50:34
  I can't say she's a bad designer. It's just that her designs are out
• 50:37
  of this, out of this world, like she completes them, she does
• 50:43
  them. I have I have an important question. Do you if Hilde,
• 50:47
  instead of being a creature of the nineties and early two thousands, if Hilde
• 50:52
  was a creature of now, of Instagram and TikTok, do you think she
• 50:54
  would be fair better or worse? Oh? She would she would be the
• 51:00
  wellness to white supremacy pipeline, Like I just know that's like her brand.
• 51:07
  Can can we go ahead? And and just we've danced around it numerous times.
• 51:13
  I message Dan while watching this, saying, Dan, this ship is
• 51:15
  racist. This show feels racist. No, sometimes blatant and sometimes underlying,
• 51:22
  you know, kind of in the way that like a Hallmark Christmas movie feels
• 51:25
  a little racist, but you can't quite tell how. Yeah, like Dan,
• 51:30
  this this ship is racist. This show is racist. And I think
• 51:34
  let's let's go and sneak and slide this in here. I'm glad that completely
• 51:37
  random that we chose these two episodes. It's basically with the two episodes that
• 51:40
  I could find that we're watchable on YouTube. Um, but I think it's
• 51:45
  important that we chose one in Harlem, uh and one in Everett, Washington.
• 51:52
  Yeah, because I think I think this show does not work in a
• 51:55
  city. This show does not work in like a Brownstone in New York.
• 52:00
  This is a suburbs show. This is a show by in four. They
• 52:04
  even discussed like how they there were kind of problems with doing I guess,
• 52:08
  like I don't know, they were like, oh, was this the first
• 52:10
  time that I think that that Harlem. I think that was the first time
• 52:15
  they had done a show in a major city, like in an urban in
• 52:19
  an urban setting, because part of the premise of the show is that they
• 52:22
  need the neighbors need to be within walking distance of one another, they need
• 52:27
  to actually have parking. That actually was a stipulation, so because they need
• 52:31
  to bring in like lots of trucks, and they need to bring in production
• 52:35
  crew and they so essentially this city block must have been closed down. But
• 52:39
  it sounds like they went to great feats to do this production in Harlem,
• 52:45
  which it kind of you know it then you miss a whole aspect of what
• 52:52
  it's like to live in a city. I mean, later on when they
• 52:55
  drop Page as a host, they do have a Philly episode, and that's
• 52:59
  like kind of like a like you do a Philly Brownstone. I didn't watch
• 53:02
  the episode, so I don't know if they had similar issues, but I
• 53:07
  got five seconds in and I was like, this is going to elicit too
• 53:10
  strong of emotions. I was going to ask because I also didn't watch the
• 53:14
  Philadelphia episode, but also philip just like New York, Philadelphia is a pretty
• 53:20
  big city. There are places in that are technically Philadelphia where you have a
• 53:24
  full like a full yard, a separated house of two stories. There are
• 53:30
  places that you can go to and buy those houses. They're crazy. They're
• 53:35
  crazy expensive. Now I don't know how expensive they were in the year two
• 53:37
  thousand, but you can still be like in East Falls or a German like
• 53:44
  I because I guess it was the this was Yeah, speaking of the random
• 53:47
  people that upload episodes of Trading Spaces, the only reason I found the Philadelphia
• 53:53
  episode was it was a specific artist whose art was featured on the show,
• 53:59
  and I guess he had uploaded the entire episode. But that was a Philadelphia
• 54:04
  brown story. I think they were actually doing what looked like those two stories
• 54:07
  South Philly homes. Oh it's like a row home. Yeah, it was
• 54:12
  a row They were doing row homes. Okay, So so they're in like
• 54:15
  fucking Wharton Street. Yeah yeah, okay, I gotta watch that. Now.
• 54:21
  There's sort of a class element to it because when they do it in
• 54:24
  somebody's studio apartment versus when they do it in a room of somebody's house,
• 54:30
  like, the changes they make in that apartment potentially life ruining. Yeah,
• 54:37
  which is like genuinely like those people with the Murphy bed, They're like they're
• 54:42
  stuck with that Murphy bed. They either have to move or spend another like
• 54:47
  eight Like there were stories. There were stories about people who had to fix
• 54:53
  their rooms afterward or like. So the hay Room is a really really pop
• 55:00
  one that people point to where I guess it was Hildie like glued hey all
• 55:05
  over people's walls. And when they brought their child, like first off that
• 55:09
  people hated it. They were like, it smells like a barn. And
• 55:13
  then they brought their child into it, and the child had a lot of
• 55:16
  allergic like they had an allergic reaction to the wall. But not only that,
• 55:20
  I guess they had built a shelf and the shelf fell and they were
• 55:22
  really concerned that, hey, this could have fallen on my child and hurt
• 55:27
  my child, but it was hey, it was a bookshelf. It was
• 55:31
  a bookshelf that they didn't secure to the wall, which is like, which
• 55:36
  is like homeownership one oh one, secure your bookshelves. Yes, it gives
• 55:40
  you the little screw spot for a reason. Yeah, And it took what
• 55:45
  was it several people seventeen hours to get all of the hay Off of the
• 55:50
  Wall. And if you think of the concept of the show being forty eight
• 55:52
  hours with only two or three people, that is a huge undertaking. And
• 55:59
  sometimes like it's more expensive that what it costs to redesign the room. And
• 56:04
  there was there was another one where, um, they it was a family
• 56:07
  with like two kids, and they put in cement floors, yes, and
• 56:13
  tables with really sharp corners, and they were like, well, we basically
• 56:16
  have to immediately undo all the changes because it is an oppressing danger to our
• 56:22
  children. Yeah. Yeah, But kind of going back to the racism of
• 56:28
  the show, I think that was also the racism of the time. Like
• 56:30
  there were like in the early two thousands, I think it was very common
• 56:35
  to just kind of like lat Like for instance, in the Harlem episode,
• 56:38
  there is a point where Kia is trying to describe all of those African symbols
• 56:45
  and educate and pages just joking and joking and making fun and like picking fun
• 56:52
  at the decorations, and Kia is just literally like I'm trying to educate people
• 56:59
  here. And I do feel bad that she didn't get to execute her full
• 57:02
  design. I can't decide whether or not it's because she spent a lot of
• 57:08
  time on that Murphy bed or it's like, I don't know if she managed
• 57:13
  her time well. But I mean later on they bring on a designer who
• 57:16
  I really liked. His name was Verne Yip and he is one of the
• 57:22
  only like him and Kia are like one of the like they're the two like
• 57:28
  people of color on this show. And in all honesty, Verne's designs were
• 57:32
  actually the best. He actually went into this show being really earnest and being
• 57:37
  really real and making like actually taking people's considerations into thought as he went and
• 57:45
  executed all of his designs. But he did a great job. And I
• 57:49
  think that like people treated him really poorly on the show. It feels like
• 57:52
  they would have brought him on because they were like, Okay, we gotta
• 57:55
  bring some we gotta do something. Yeah, we have too many like women,
• 58:00
  mysical white women who want to turn everybody's rooms into circus tents, and
• 58:06
  also people are threatening to sue, so yeah, we got we gotta do
• 58:09
  something. Okay, actually, kay, let's go ahead and do this.
• 58:13
  Then you had a specific designer you wanted to make sure we talked about.
• 58:17
  Doug Wilson is the most confidently arrogant designer in the Trading Spaces Cinematic universe because
• 58:30
  he is so rude. He truly doesn't care about what anyone has to say,
• 58:37
  and he will just go and do whatever the hell he wants. But
• 58:43
  there is one epic incident where he I forget exactly what the couple wanted,
• 58:51
  but like, they go into this like I don't know if they wanted to
• 58:53
  preserve the fireplace or like basically homeowners can and say like these things are off
• 59:01
  limits and in their paperwork and in their documentation, and Doug Wilson would just
• 59:07
  very very blatantly just go against all of their wishes. But he installed this
• 59:13
  ugly, ugly fixture over a fireplace, like made it, accentuated it in
• 59:21
  such an awful way, and then also put like brown cubes or like brown
• 59:28
  like paint all over the walls. It was disgusting, but he like it
• 59:35
  starts with like I guess Paige asking him about the design, and he's justifying
• 59:39
  it and thinking about, oh, patting himself on the back. But they
• 59:45
  bring the couple in and the wife just she takes it in, and I
• 59:49
  really admire her poise. She takes it in. Poor woman, tries to
• 59:53
  put on a good face, and she just turns to Page and she goes,
• 59:59
  excuse me, I just needed to go into the other room for a
• 1:00:01
  moment. And she walks out of the room really calmly, but she's still
• 1:00:06
  on the mic, so it's a hot mic, and you just hear her
• 1:00:08
  sobbing. She is crying ball. It's one of the most awkward, painful
• 1:00:15
  things I've ever seen on television because her husband is sitting there going, oh
• 1:00:17
  boy, she doesn't like that, and yees doing her job. Page's job
• 1:00:22
  is to try to like save face or whatever. But you just forget,
• 1:00:25
  like any ounce of positivity. What are some things you like about the room?
• 1:00:30
  What do you think you can't what do you think you can do to
• 1:00:32
  make it better? Weeping? You can hear a woman crying, and here's
• 1:00:37
  the thing. And the husband like is seething with rage. He's like,
• 1:00:40
  I think at one point he just says, like, all I'm seeing is
• 1:00:44
  a lot of firewood right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because I
• 1:00:47
  think they didn't she didn't want the fireplace to be if I remember correctly,
• 1:00:52
  she didn't want the fireplace to be covered up. That was actually an accent
• 1:00:55
  that she really liked, and it was the designer's job to really just kind
• 1:00:59
  of playoff of that instead of just covering up entirely. But let me go
• 1:01:05
  and say something here. As a producer, it's really fucking easy to go
• 1:01:09
  ahead and cut that that audio footage. It's really easy to go ahead and
• 1:01:15
  deliver where she's crying, Oh yeah, beflore. It goes on national television.
• 1:01:21
  You have to make an intentional decision to keep that in That I think
• 1:01:24
  was just part of TLC discovering its voice, which was the drama in the
• 1:01:31
  trauma and them really wanting to exploit people experiencing terrible moments. I've actually,
• 1:01:40
  I actually know people who have worked on reality TV productions and how oftentimes producers
• 1:01:47
  will instigate arguments, they will instigate problems, They will actually like kind of
• 1:01:54
  poke and prod at situations, knowing where all the weak points are, knowing
• 1:01:58
  where all the buttons are, to like ellicit responses from people that they've selected,
• 1:02:04
  knowing that they are very sensitive or will react or or are very emotional.
• 1:02:10
  And that's kind of the glory of reality TV. Sadler's it is so
• 1:02:20
  hard to watch that scene and not think that the show was immediately canceled after
• 1:02:27
  that because anything it was just amplified. It seems like any any sane people
• 1:02:34
  would go like, well, not only can we not air this episode because
• 1:02:38
  we are it culminates in a woman having a nervous breakdown and it being our
• 1:02:44
  fault. But it was weird too, because, like I think Trading Spaces
• 1:02:49
  tried to find really awkward moments because if you remember, during the commercial like
• 1:02:53
  they'd come back from commercial break, there'd be an interstitial or they'd leave commercial
• 1:02:59
  break to be like weird interstitials of like side things. Oh, here's Tie
• 1:03:02
  acting really weird and funny. And one one time I think it was Hildy
• 1:03:08
  just like putting her butt to the camera kind of just giving a butt wiggle.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. So I remember distinctly
• 1:03:16
  with Doug Wilson watching this on television and I could not find I found a
• 1:03:23
  very loose reference to it. But there is a there's an episode, I
• 1:03:28
  think it's actually season four, episode one, where they are in I forget
• 1:03:34
  what town, they're Milwaukee, They're in Milwaukee, and it's two couples of
• 1:03:40
  single ladies. I think that was the magic of the episode, and the
• 1:03:45
  episode's description was like fighting and flirting and then that da da da da,
• 1:03:49
  and it ends with like, but we won't kiss and tell Doug Wilson at
• 1:03:55
  the end of an episode where he was like essentially working over the weekend with
• 1:04:00
  like two single ladies, just starts making out with one of the people,
• 1:04:06
  with one of the participants of the show. And it was the most And
• 1:04:10
  that was during the end credits, and it was one of the most awkward
• 1:04:13
  moments in television because here's this design show and you think it's about design.
• 1:04:18
  It's supposed to be about design, but really it's just trying to stir up
• 1:04:23
  all this drama. Was it like Price is right kissing or was it consensual?
• 1:04:29
  It was both of them in the heat of the moment and a very
• 1:04:32
  passionate, consensual kiss. Okay, yeah, all right, it's better,
• 1:04:39
  I guess. But during a design show was weird, still super weird to
• 1:04:44
  put on television. And during the end credits, was it like I feel
• 1:04:51
  like that's a thing that she might have been, Like I did not think
• 1:04:56
  you were gonna air that, Like, I mean, they signed those release
• 1:05:00
  forms and anything is game. The the end credits are very in the end
• 1:05:05
  credits of the like one that we just talked about in Harlem features like the
• 1:05:11
  carpenter, Amy Winn and Kai the designer talking about like where to get a
• 1:05:15
  good orthodontist, like because it because they're basically talking about like like like Kai
• 1:05:21
  is showing off her invisiline or whatever and Amy wins like those those are embraced.
• 1:05:26
  I want that, Like it's such a weird it's such a weird conversation,
• 1:05:30
  and and that's it. And then uh, Samuel L. Jackson comes
• 1:05:36
  up and draw and drafts ty Pennington into the carpenter's initiative, like, Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  it was such a it's such a weird choice. Let's let's go on
• 1:05:46
  to the Everett Washington episode. Like I said, now now we're going to
• 1:05:49
  the suburbs. I do I do want to commend you. This podcast is
• 1:05:55
  basically us finding way new ways to make ourselves angry using television, and I
• 1:06:01
  do want to commend you for finding the forty five minutes that have not only
• 1:06:08
  made me angrier than anything else on this podcast, but maybe the angriest I've
• 1:06:14
  been in my adult life. I did I know that this show could elicit
• 1:06:18
  such feeling I screamed at volumes while watching this episode of television. I didn't,
• 1:06:30
  I am. It is a miracle my neighbors did not call the police.
• 1:06:34
  Dan, Dan, do you want to take the lead and be podcast
• 1:06:39
  dad on this one or are you too emotionally? Are you too close to
• 1:06:44
  the source. I'll get as far as I can into it, and then
• 1:06:46
  one of you is gonna need to take the wheel. So this is in
• 1:06:50
  uh, this is in Washington. It is two neighbors. I'd say they're
• 1:06:56
  both like upper middle class white couples. Um like their suburban. One of
• 1:07:01
  them has a boat in their backyards. They owned land in a Seattle suburb
• 1:07:06
  in the early two thousands. They got money. Yes, so they're definitely
• 1:07:13
  like not as vulnerable as the harl Harlem couples. These they're just remodeling like
• 1:07:18
  a room in their house. They have two designers that are Hilde and what
• 1:07:23
  is the name of the Blonde? And both Hilde and Genevieve lose their fucking
• 1:07:30
  minds, and both of the couples, the blue shirts and the orange shirts
• 1:07:35
  are basically following the designers around going. I do not sign off on any
• 1:07:43
  of this. Not only first, they're trying to slow them down. They're
• 1:07:46
  like, this thing you're doing goes against the wishes of my neighbor and friend,
• 1:07:50
  and I am telling you, as someone that knows them and has spoken
• 1:07:55
  to them about what they want, that they will hate this. And then
• 1:07:59
  after that her feedback is basically them collecting evidence for small claims court because they're
• 1:08:05
  basically trying to get themselves like videotaped evidence of like I do not sign off
• 1:08:13
  on any of this because there and it gets to the point where Page shows
• 1:08:21
  up and yeah, Page of the host is like, hey, Genevieve,
• 1:08:27
  UM, I know my entire job is being perky and supportive, but are
• 1:08:31
  you sure you want to do this? And she was like, yeah,
• 1:08:34
  totally. Ill, we'll get into this thing. Jenevieve is like, I'm
• 1:08:40
  lying to one of these couples about what I'm doing, but it'll be fine,
• 1:08:44
  they'll like it in the end. And then she goes over like all
• 1:08:46
  right, cool, hilde why are you painting a fucking chair red with non
• 1:08:53
  fabric paint? And Hildie's like, I'm off my men. Yes, he
• 1:08:58
  is in some side room garage with a blue tarp up. The couple comes
• 1:09:02
  in, she is already halfway done spray painting with what appears to be an
• 1:09:10
  automotive us an airbray airbrush. Yes, because my dad had what we used
• 1:09:15
  to have, our family autobody shop, so I know what those things look
• 1:09:19
  like. And she's like, it's an el Camino exactly, bright red,
• 1:09:25
  like it's an El Camino, and she's without fabric paint, and all I
• 1:09:30
  could think to myself is like, it's gonna be crunchy. Specifically, asks
• 1:09:38
  is that fabric paint, and Hildy says no, it is not, and
• 1:09:41
  he goes, oh boy, but it's okay, it's okay. That doesn't
• 1:09:47
  ever come to fruition. Would you like to say, what would you?
• 1:09:51
  Disaster? Averted? So they put the couches outside in Seattle to dry,
• 1:10:00
  and yeah, dry in Seattle, okay, So I guess they cover it
• 1:10:04
  with blue tarps. It pours, it rains, it's windy, blue tarps
• 1:10:10
  blow away. They come back the next morning, these couches are destroyed.
• 1:10:15
  They're soaking wet, the paint has been is running off, and they've essentially
• 1:10:21
  destroyed three pieces of furniture in this family's living room. Now it's up to
• 1:10:29
  hilde to go out and replace this furniture. But Page keeps saying, you're
• 1:10:34
  going over budget, and I kept saying, and they kept reiterating, Oh,
• 1:10:39
  we're going over budget, you know, Oh, well, we'll let
• 1:10:41
  it slide this time that we're going over budget. No, you're not going
• 1:10:44
  over budget. You're replacing furniture that you damaged. Because that's the other part
• 1:10:48
  of the show is like these designers can use whatever they want. They go
• 1:10:53
  into people's basements, they go into other rooms, they start using elements in
• 1:10:57
  these people's houses. And in Hilde's case, she used their already existing furniture
• 1:11:02
  and tried to paint it with like house paint, car paint, with whatever,
• 1:11:08
  with not fabric paint this bright, ugly ass red. I'm gonna give
• 1:11:13
  you two references here, and you can choose which one you look you like
• 1:11:15
  better. I'm gonna do two takes, and it looks like the big comfy
• 1:11:20
  couch where Luna and Molly, a clown and her dolly hang out. It
• 1:11:27
  looks like the couch from Snick. Both of those are good. I like
• 1:11:32
  the Snick one, though I could jump over that and land on the crunchy
• 1:11:38
  seat, get paint all over my pants. It looks like Amanda Bindes should
• 1:11:43
  be telling me that all that is coming right back. So I want to
• 1:11:49
  run a theory by by you guys that my fiance pitched. She thinks,
• 1:11:56
  hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, sorry, sorry,
• 1:11:57
  one more. It looks like Steve should be sitting down in it and
• 1:12:00
  putting together blues clues. Okay, So my fiance pitched the theory that the
• 1:12:11
  couple in the rain deliberately took the tarp off to save to save the living
• 1:12:19
  room. They were like, we can't let them do this. This is
• 1:12:23
  gonna be a fucking disastrous So they took the tarp off so they would have
• 1:12:27
  to replace the chairs an entirely. Yeah, if that happened, then the
• 1:12:31
  producers did not do their job because that would have been aired. I think
• 1:12:40
  if they did do that, it is one of the most incredible acts of
• 1:12:43
  friendship on television. They snuck into their neighbor's lawn like cat burglars. They
• 1:12:50
  dressed up in black turtlenecks and I bad and beanies and slid their way and
• 1:12:57
  probably in a fucking Gillie suit and climb climb through the hedges and grabbed the
• 1:13:02
  tarps and ran off into the night. So in actuality, so it's like
• 1:13:09
  they the solution is that Hilde goes out buys new furniture. She buys these
• 1:13:15
  sleek look in early two thousands couches that are white, and she plays a
• 1:13:21
  joke on the husband and is like, Okay, here's the paint paint bucket,
• 1:13:25
  get paint and fill up the paint gun. And he's like, absolutely
• 1:13:29
  not and she's like, just kidding. Slip covers And honestly, that was
• 1:13:33
  the most probable solution to all of this the entire time, Like why not
• 1:13:39
  just reupholster or use slip covers on the original couches. It seems like it
• 1:13:45
  should be against the rules of the show, where when one of the families
• 1:13:50
  says, no, I do not sign off on this, and I think
• 1:13:54
  it's a bad idea, it seems like the designer should have to stop,
• 1:13:57
  Like it doesn't seem like that should be But that's the fun of TLC.
• 1:14:02
  This is tl This is where the learning channel turns into honey Boo boo TLC
• 1:14:09
  Toddler's and tiaras and all of that jazz. After a certain point, if
• 1:14:15
  I were in their shoes, I'd be like, why am I here.
• 1:14:17
  I'm just doing unpaid manual labor for you. I don't have any input the
• 1:14:23
  trading. The spaces are not being traded. I'm just basically decoration, while
• 1:14:28
  you brought in an interior designer. Meanwhile, speaking of paint, Meanwhile,
• 1:14:33
  Genevieve is in the other house, she paints an access wall with literal rust.
• 1:14:40
  Did you catch the throwaway line by Tie Paddington, who is fucking despising
• 1:14:46
  all of this, where they go like, oh, it's a it'll corrode
• 1:14:50
  and Tye Paddingon goes like it looks more like a commode to me, and
• 1:14:55
  it just walks out of them from walks away. Tie Paddington fucking kills it
• 1:14:59
  here. God damn it, God damn goddamn all of you. Because now
• 1:15:01
  I have to like take this side of thy Pennington. I have to like
• 1:15:05
  defend Pennington. But because Pennington is the only one of these people with a
• 1:15:13
  fucking marketable skill. Pennington is the only one of these people who can walk
• 1:15:16
  off of this show and do literally anything else because he seems me the only
• 1:15:20
  person with object permanence. He seems me the only person who understands like what
• 1:15:28
  happens when you nail things together. He seems to me the only one who
• 1:15:30
  can tell that a tall, skinny glass of water and a fat, short
• 1:15:35
  glass of water can hold the same amount. The rest of these people have
• 1:15:39
  to be influencers because they lack any other potential skill to be anything fucking else.
• 1:15:45
  Ty Pennington great in the Land of the Dumb, The man with one
• 1:15:49
  brain cell is king. He is also the only one talking to these families
• 1:15:56
  like they are human beings, Like he is like, Hey, what's going
• 1:16:00
  on. You're a human, You're you have an internal life, and I
• 1:16:02
  care about literally anything you have to say. And this is why his career
• 1:16:09
  explodes because he's apathetic because he can really relate. He moves on to doing
• 1:16:14
  most what was it Extreme Housemakeover and those like those makeovers. They're there for
• 1:16:19
  people that are struggling, there for people that do really great work in their
• 1:16:25
  communities, and they it's a it's a lot more of a like a heartwarming
• 1:16:30
  show and the designs are actually very good. Yeah, yeah, it's it's
• 1:16:34
  it's abc kind of kind of going to the like poverty porn, kind of
• 1:16:40
  like tragedy. I'm sorry, what's the phrase to keep using the drama and
• 1:16:44
  trauma. Oh yeah, drama ta yeah, it like it like pushes that.
• 1:16:47
  But because they're on ABC, and because it's Disney owned, and because
• 1:16:50
  they have to have a happy ending, they only get there like as a
• 1:16:55
  means to an end, because you know, at the end of it,
• 1:16:57
  it's gonna be tie Pennington, yell and move that truck and then there's gonna
• 1:17:01
  be the big crying and everyone's gonna you know, everywhere, and the community
• 1:17:06
  was involved and I'll you know, everybody that like they've touched their lives.
• 1:17:11
  Now it's time for them to you know, repay the favor. And yeah
• 1:17:15
  that's donating to St. Jude's Research Hospital and yeah, yeah, it's it's
• 1:17:19
  a lot more heartwarming. But Hildee is doing some kind of crazy thing and
• 1:17:27
  she brings tie Pennington into it where she's creating like a circus tent theme where
• 1:17:33
  she's draping fabric from the ceiling, hanging in on the walls and then covering
• 1:17:38
  the walls with fabric. But everything that they own, like all their entertainment
• 1:17:43
  center, they're like this and that all this because this is their enter like
• 1:17:45
  an entertainment space. That the thing that the one couple cups saying was like,
• 1:17:48
  oh, they host a lot of parties down here, so their sound
• 1:17:53
  system and things need to be on this wall. And she's like, well,
• 1:17:55
  I'm gonna put it on the opposite wall and whatever. But you ever
• 1:18:00
  walk into a room in your house and think, you know, this room
• 1:18:03
  just isn't flammable enough. Well, Hilde's got your back. This is a
• 1:18:11
  very combustible room. You know what I really want out of my home.
• 1:18:15
  You know when you're in a tent and you have the sense that it could
• 1:18:18
  fall down at any moment. Oh, yeah, that's what I really want
• 1:18:21
  in my relaxation space. But I remember that Ty builds the I guess the
• 1:18:29
  loop or the thing that was going to hold all the fabric in the top
• 1:18:31
  of the tent together. Literally just a cylinder. It's a cylinder. Think
• 1:18:36
  think about a spool of thread. Now put that move that to like the
• 1:18:40
  size of a football. That's all he's building. Yeah, and then what
• 1:18:43
  was it? Hildee has the nerve to say, actually, can you like
• 1:18:46
  make this half of the size? Like cut it in half? And he
• 1:18:49
  now has to do a lot more work. He just built this thing for
• 1:18:54
  her and she couldn't even come to the project with the proper measurements. But
• 1:18:58
  he is like seething with rage when she asks that, He's like sure,
• 1:19:01
  it will take time and effort, and she's like great, thank you,
• 1:19:05
  and then fucks off. And then Genevieve on the other side and the other
• 1:19:11
  house. Genevieve has a dig so passive aggressive that she loves so much.
• 1:19:16
  She does it twice, first to Page and then to Tie, where she
• 1:19:20
  says like basically kind of says, uh, yeah, we'll do this within
• 1:19:25
  two days and the and the and under budget. You know how this show
• 1:19:29
  works, you know the show that we're on the rules We want to check
• 1:19:31
  the rule book. She does that first to Page and then later to Tie
• 1:19:36
  when he says something like okay, do you think we're gonna get this in
• 1:19:41
  time? And she says, yeah, that's how the show works that we're
• 1:19:44
  on. And Tie just sits there just like b yeah. He oh my
• 1:19:50
  god, openly hates her, like openly openly despises her and like does not
• 1:19:59
  hide it. I know, he like is just talking shit and he like
• 1:20:02
  walks through like the room she's ninely like looks like ass. Anyway, here's
• 1:20:06
  some wooden bullshit you wanted later, Like he's building a shelf and the husband
• 1:20:13
  is like, I don't think this looks very good, and he's like it's
• 1:20:15
  stupid. This is this, but this like that's what he is signed on
• 1:20:19
  to do. He's just doing his job. He's there to again build out
• 1:20:25
  Genevieve and Hilde's visions, which Genevieve's vision is the Asian inspired room that the
• 1:20:31
  one woman specifically does not want. And I was so like excited that this
• 1:20:36
  was the episode that you sent over because this is also in that top ten
• 1:20:41
  list of worst rooms and worst moments, because this couple visibly hates it.
• 1:20:48
  The whole whole cast, the whole cast and set up really feels like if
• 1:20:55
  you hired a failing polycuel to do your kids. I'm sure everyone there has
• 1:21:03
  slept with each other, Like maybe that's where all the frustration intention comes from.
• 1:21:09
  They all seem like each other's exes. They all seem like that that's
• 1:21:14
  what they that's what they like duging. Like all right, So the thing
• 1:21:17
  that really pops is when a bunch of people have had sex and hate each
• 1:21:20
  other. What can we replicate that in a more pure distilled form channel.
• 1:21:29
  You got Doug over there, his tongue is halfway down a participant's throat,
• 1:21:33
  and he just kind of like like takes his tongue out for a second,
• 1:21:36
  yells back, you can't shop where you're eat, and then goes back to
• 1:21:39
  making to make it out with this contestant who he's never gonna see again.
• 1:21:45
  Oh god, there was there was definitely a thing of like, oh my
• 1:21:48
  god, I can't believe I slept with Doug. I told myself this wasn't
• 1:21:53
  going to happen. Apparently, so kissing Doug not to be also confused used
• 1:22:00
  with when they brought the show back on the season premiere. Apparently Page kisses
• 1:22:05
  Doug and then people were like, that was awkward and doesn't feel comfortable.
• 1:22:12
  But I think that was that was a kiss that was like initiated by Page,
• 1:22:15
  and Doug didn't seem like he was that into it. So let's let's
• 1:22:20
  talk about the act of violence that Genevieve does, the war crime that she
• 1:22:28
  commits, her nice little violation of the Geneva Convention. So they they mentioned
• 1:22:36
  the no Asian thing twice where they're doing an interview and they're like, so
• 1:22:43
  we don't want any colors that are too bright. We don't want an Asian
• 1:22:46
  theme. U. It's in a list of like two other themes. So
• 1:22:50
  it's not like she like goes like no Asian, by the way, it's
• 1:22:54
  like she's yeah, I think this is also during a time when Zen was
• 1:22:59
  kind of getting pretty hot in there, so it was like minimalist but maybe
• 1:23:03
  put some like bamboo in a vase like that. And Dragon was the most
• 1:23:10
  popular movie in America. Yeah, it's it's like around this time. Yeah,
• 1:23:15
  So she calls that out and then they're um talking to the the other
• 1:23:24
  team is talking to Genevieve and they're like, um, so here's some of
• 1:23:28
  the stuff she gave us feedback on. Um, there is one thing she
• 1:23:31
  doesn't want. She doesn't want an Asian theme. And Genevieve was like,
• 1:23:36
  so I got bad news. Yeah, She's like, I did an eight
• 1:23:42
  I planned an Asian theme. And she goes like, all right, well,
• 1:23:45
  I cannot emphasize this enough. She told me explicitly she would hate an
• 1:23:49
  Asian theme. And then Genevieve goes like, okay, actually, never mind,
• 1:23:54
  it's not an Asian theme. We won't do an Asian theme. That
• 1:23:57
  would be stupid. Cut to her in the garage talking to Page being like,
• 1:24:00
  so it's an Asian theme, but don't tell them because they're gonna love
• 1:24:04
  it. And then Page it's like, so you're lying to the family and
• 1:24:08
  she's like, yes, absolutely, I'm gonna make it. Yeah, and
• 1:24:17
  you are now complicit in it. Page, you have to go with it,
• 1:24:23
  but don't say anything. We're in this together, Page. We both
• 1:24:29
  go down if I get called in. In addition to that, they like
• 1:24:31
  she paints the wall bright orange, yeah, which, and one of the
• 1:24:38
  things is um, they specifically say, we don't want any colors that are
• 1:24:43
  too dark or too bright. And then the first time the husband spins around
• 1:24:46
  to look at it, he goes, that's but pause right, and you
• 1:24:51
  think. I think what it was happening is he was about to say that's
• 1:24:55
  beautiful, looked at it, realized it was ugly as sin, and was
• 1:24:59
  like, well, it's bright the thing I didn't want it to be.
• 1:25:04
  So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna pitch an idea here by
• 1:25:10
  you guys. I think that at some point in time in Page's life.
• 1:25:14
  I think at some point in time in Page Davis's life. She found a
• 1:25:18
  bottle in the back of an old store, rubbed it and was given a
• 1:25:23
  wish by a genie, and she wished that she would be famous and on
• 1:25:28
  TV shows or on TV sets all across America. And this is what happened
• 1:25:32
  because she's in hell, so it was a monkey's paw. Like she she's
• 1:25:38
  the most well known commodity there, but she's surrounded by assholes and she can
• 1:25:45
  do nothing. All that she can do is try to play Kate. You
• 1:25:47
  can watch her. She's not a carpenter. The carpenters get to say,
• 1:25:50
  no, she's booboo shell. She can do is sit there and go.
• 1:25:54
  I don't know if this is a good idea, Yogi, can you can
• 1:25:59
  arrange couple isn't gonna like this? I feel like you can. You can
• 1:26:02
  provide some contexts on because I feel like from watching this that this is like
• 1:26:05
  one of the only times that page is broken kfob where she like broke her
• 1:26:11
  like rule of being only positive to go like, yeah, it was this
• 1:26:16
  like an isolated incident. Uh, It's hard for me to tell because there
• 1:26:23
  were I feel like they were more moments where she was trying to advocate for
• 1:26:27
  the families and just being like, I don't think they they didn't request this
• 1:26:32
  that were or specifically, oh, they didn't want dark colors. They wanted
• 1:26:35
  you to brighten the room, not you know, make it dark or uh,
• 1:26:41
  you know, they wanted to protect this area. Because I think she
• 1:26:44
  gets like, there is paperwork that these contestants have to fill out beforehand,
• 1:26:48
  and they do get a clause where they get to say like, this is
• 1:26:53
  a boundary, this is like a no no zone, but it's very obvious
• 1:26:57
  that that doesn't matter. And in fact, I wonder if the producers behind
• 1:27:00
  the scenes looked at that and said, oh, you don't want to have
• 1:27:05
  an Asian themed room, We're gonna tell Genevieve to you know, strike up
• 1:27:12
  a design for you studio. You get a little look at that this time,
• 1:27:19
  because when Hilde destroys the couches, page goes, okay, well we
• 1:27:26
  can't let these people have no furniture. So yeah, she looks really frustrated,
• 1:27:30
  but Paige says, I guess I'm gonna let you break the rules this
• 1:27:35
  one time and go buy new furniture, which I responded, like, is
• 1:27:40
  Paige a producer? I don't think she gets to make that call. I
• 1:27:44
  don't know. You know, I'm gonna look a little bit into that because
• 1:27:47
  people made it. See the way that they talk to Paige almost does sound
• 1:27:53
  like she has some type of producer role, which would make sense since she's
• 1:27:57
  kind of the host and kind and it has to rain people in, and
• 1:28:01
  she's also enforcing the rules of the game, like how she was pulling Key
• 1:28:08
  out of the room saying time is up. You have to get out,
• 1:28:10
  go now, like so she is kind of wrangling them in. But it
• 1:28:14
  was crazy because Hildie at the end, at the end, she always asked
• 1:28:18
  the designers where they came in with their budget, and it's you know,
• 1:28:21
  oh, I made it to nine eighty seven, so I have enough money
• 1:28:25
  to take you out to dinner, like little jokes like that. But Hildee's
• 1:28:30
  budget, so Paige gives her an extra five hundred. Hildee spent one thousand,
• 1:28:38
  five hundred and sixty two, so even if she didn't get the extra
• 1:28:42
  five hundred, she still went over budget, which was mind blowing. I
• 1:28:47
  don't think Paige can be a producer because she gets fired. Oh that is
• 1:28:53
  well, I mean, producer's gonna get fired too, but yeah, get
• 1:28:56
  fired. They do let her go. I forget what sees and it was
• 1:29:00
  And people say that this is like the downturn of trading spaces because they wanted
• 1:29:04
  the focus to be on the designers and the contestants on the show. They
• 1:29:11
  I don't know if no one cares about the contestants. Yeah, Like Paige
• 1:29:15
  was there to kind of keep pace. She was there to ask questions about
• 1:29:20
  inspiration, about solutions when there were problems, Like she was kind of a
• 1:29:27
  facilitator and also again an enforcer of the rules. But I think that people
• 1:29:31
  like don't realize that the role of a host is almost like being a proxy
• 1:29:36
  for the viewer, that like, the viewer sees themselves in the host.
• 1:29:41
  If the host is super relatable, then you can kind of be like,
• 1:29:44
  oh, I feel like I am in the situation and she's asking questions and
• 1:29:47
  clarifying things that I would be asking these designers, and that was what her
• 1:29:51
  role was. So to remove her from the equation just made the show kind
• 1:29:58
  of flat. In your Emmy Award winning opinion, is Page a good host.
• 1:30:02
  She is given the time in which this is happening in the early two
• 1:30:09
  thousands with the world that that was. I'm not going to grade her on
• 1:30:13
  the morals and the standards of today. She is an exceptional host. She
• 1:30:20
  feels despondent when the contestants don't like their rooms, but she continues the conversation
• 1:30:29
  by asking them questions of Okay, what is it that you do like about
• 1:30:32
  the room? What are the redeeming factors of the room. What are some
• 1:30:34
  things that you could do to bring this room up to the standard that you
• 1:30:39
  want? What are some other ideas? You know, So when someone doesn't
• 1:30:43
  like a room, she's really good at facilitating and keeping the conversations. She's
• 1:30:46
  good at diffusing conflicts between designers and ty Pennington because Ti, there are some
• 1:30:54
  parts I you know, it's all flooding back to me. There are times
• 1:30:57
  when he blows up. He has I remember being a little bit mildly afraid
• 1:31:03
  of Tie because he had some like anger on that show. And he's the
• 1:31:10
  guy they build a whole like empire from house. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:14
  yeah, Well because he's maybe because he's extremely like task oriented, which he's
• 1:31:19
  the reason that he would blow up is because of designers like bad expectations and
• 1:31:25
  poor time management. And he's actually really like diligent, and he actually does
• 1:31:30
  want to do a good job, and he actually is really passionate about his
• 1:31:33
  job. So that's the reasons he kind of blows up sometimes. So he's
• 1:31:39
  just angry at other people's incompetence to be honest. But yeah, like Paige
• 1:31:43
  is a very good host. She's bubbly, she's fun, she's excited.
• 1:31:46
  She makes a lot of jokes. In the Everett episode, the Everett Washington
• 1:31:50
  episode, each of the contestants have to sw there swapping keys and swapping coffee
• 1:31:57
  makers, and she makes a really good joke about that. So she is
• 1:32:00
  she is an exceptional host. And this is stuff. I'm appreciating this look
• 1:32:05
  behind the curtain because this is stuff that you do. I've seen you do
• 1:32:10
  it on Check Please. I've seen episodes where like somebody doesn't like another person's
• 1:32:16
  restaurant recommendation and you have to kind of step in and facilitate that discussion.
• 1:32:21
  I've seen you do this, and now I get to see a little look
• 1:32:25
  behind the curtains. It's all about striking a balance. It's fine to have
• 1:32:30
  criticisms, and I think it's healthy for people to kind of come in and
• 1:32:33
  say you know, I didn't like this about this restaurant, but it's my
• 1:32:38
  job to go beyond why I didn't like it. Okay, well what was
• 1:32:42
  it that you didn't like? And how can they improve that thing? And
• 1:32:45
  I think that is a critical thing, and so I think that's what Page
• 1:32:50
  does. She isn't just like, oh, you don't like it, okay,
• 1:32:55
  sorry to hear that. No, She kind of digs in and is
• 1:32:58
  like, what can be a redeemed factor? And then how can you improve
• 1:33:02
  upon this? And I think that's I think that's key. I feel like
• 1:33:08
  there's a line between Trading Spaces, the show that is like constructive and about
• 1:33:14
  creating something and about learning stuff, and then there's Trading Spaces, the sloppy
• 1:33:18
  reality show about human carnage, and Paige doing her job. Is that line
• 1:33:26
  where she is constantly like, through force of will, pushing it towards like
• 1:33:30
  the best version of itself. That's why they fired her. That because she's
• 1:33:34
  so sweet, and because she's so kind and she's so earnest and honest and
• 1:33:39
  bubbly. You can feel the discomfort with her. She's so comforting in discomfort
• 1:33:47
  and that is kind of yeah, she and she confronts it too, like
• 1:33:54
  she'll just say what's on her mind. If if she doesn't like something,
• 1:33:57
  she'll be like, oh, it's not my company, but maybe someone else
• 1:34:00
  will like it. But at the end, honestly, at the end of
• 1:34:02
  them, the Genevieve and Hilde designs that rust colored wall, I kind of
• 1:34:10
  felt like she was pandering to Genevieve. She's like, I'm gonna paint my
• 1:34:14
  wall with rust, and I doubt that she did, because that was terrible
• 1:34:18
  and I feel like that was as much for the contestants benefit as Genevieve's.
• 1:34:23
  Yeah no, it's a good idea. You shouldn't like burn this house down.
• 1:34:28
  And Genevieve's response to that is when Paige says I might paint my wall
• 1:34:33
  like that, Genevieve says, I think a lot of people will be doing
• 1:34:36
  that zoon, Oh yeah, probably. Oh I'm a trendsetter. A lot
• 1:34:40
  of people are going to be painting their walls with the rust spoiler alert,
• 1:34:44
  they didn't. I don't think from watching this, Genevieve has been told no
• 1:34:48
  a lot in her life. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
• 1:34:53
  the idea of negative reinforcement has has been a factor for Genevieve. Genevieve is
• 1:35:00
  a fucking monster. She is so mean to everybody. She bulldozes over like
• 1:35:06
  the feedback of her of her family, like so viciously and cruelly, to
• 1:35:15
  the point where a Page and Tie Paddington Chi Pennington are basically like almost acting
• 1:35:21
  as their union reps, where they're like being like, so, we've been
• 1:35:26
  talking to the families and they have some concerns that they would like to negotiate
• 1:35:30
  with you. And Jenney was like, fuck off, yeah, held that
• 1:35:34
  I'm hostage. Yeah, she was like, I'm building lanterns. Who gives
• 1:35:40
  a shit what anybody has to say. I want to go back to Hilde
• 1:35:43
  real quick, because I want to talk about just a quick theme here.
• 1:35:46
  Hildee is unable to predict that it might reign in Seattle. Hildee is also
• 1:35:51
  the mastermind that brought us the hay Room. And the more I think about
• 1:35:56
  the hay Room, the more questions I have because quit literally she basically just
• 1:36:00
  puts up rubber cement and throws straw and hay around there, does not put
• 1:36:06
  a covering on it. Let's let's just go ahead and say even for a
• 1:36:11
  moment that aesthetically that's a good look. Maybe you are a weird kind of
• 1:36:14
  ranch hand or whatever. Hey rots h, she didn't she seal it at
• 1:36:21
  all. Yeah, she didn't seal it. If if she, if she
• 1:36:24
  had put like a preserve like a like a like a lacquer over, it
• 1:36:28
  would have been fine because it's preserved there and you can't smell, it's not
• 1:36:31
  putting anything off. It would have been over budget. Yeah, So she
• 1:36:35
  just put put hey there, and hey, hey, rots hey, it's
• 1:36:40
  it's it's a plant. It breaks down eventually, he's just gonna have gross
• 1:36:45
  rotting plant matter in your house. And not only that, they were able
• 1:36:48
  to pluck it off the walls. Yeah, Like it was like there were
• 1:36:53
  strands that were just kind of hanging out. Like So this kind of this
• 1:37:00
  is I don't know a better way to say this. Is she really that
• 1:37:03
  stupid? I don't think she's really that stupid. I think I think that's
• 1:37:09
  producer pushed stupidity. Kaylina, you go first, because I have a take.
• 1:37:15
  I think she fancies herself a designer, but her ideas are out of
• 1:37:20
  this world, and the producers just gas her up knowing she's gonna come up
• 1:37:27
  with something insane because people later in later seasons, no, they almost cringe.
• 1:37:31
  They go, oh, it's Hildy, Like they almost like anticipate that
• 1:37:36
  when they are paired up with her that it's gonna be a nightmare. Oh
• 1:37:42
  god, yeah, you think people like who watch the show see that they
• 1:37:45
  got Hildy and try to get out of their contracts where they're like, actually,
• 1:37:49
  there's no parking on my block. Suddenly, Oh my neighbors have been
• 1:37:56
  throwing a lot of fourteen car house parties lately. Guess no hill. Um.
• 1:38:03
  So I I came away from watching this with sort of um feeling very
• 1:38:11
  much that this was kind of like a class thing, Like I don't want
• 1:38:14
  to say necessarily the Hildy and Genevieve or rich, but I don't think however,
• 1:38:18
  are yes. Um, it didn't feel like it was going to be
• 1:38:23
  much of a stretch. And I'm definitely not going to say that the Washington
• 1:38:26
  couples are downtrodden in any way. They're fucking They're both clearly like doing pretty
• 1:38:31
  well, but also like they are homeowners. Uh there's a good chance that
• 1:38:36
  their house rich. Um. The people in Harlem definitely were like kind of
• 1:38:42
  living and dying by those apartments, And there's like an element of um in
• 1:38:46
  Hilde and Genevieve and to a lesser extent the other designers, of being able
• 1:38:51
  to do whatever the fuck you want to a room because you can afford to
• 1:38:56
  change it later or you you can undo it. You can change the way
• 1:39:00
  your room looks every taking a gamble, yeah, you can do basically a
• 1:39:06
  fun arts and crafts with one of your room because there's no sense of permanency
• 1:39:12
  to it. So I think when Hilde was putting the hay on the walls,
• 1:39:15
  she was not thinking about the longevity of that, because she was like,
• 1:39:17
  well, you know, you put hay on your walls and then you
• 1:39:19
  have your guy come and take it down in six months when you get bored
• 1:39:23
  with it, and then you go with like a French motif, not taking
• 1:39:28
  into the effect that these are like renters and homeowners that actually have to live
• 1:39:31
  their lives in the decisions that you make. So I think there is sort
• 1:39:36
  of like an element of class to it where it's just like, again,
• 1:39:43
  I don't feel it quite as much with the Harlem episodes, but I definitely
• 1:39:46
  felt like these super rich elites just coming into people's lives and fucking everything up
• 1:39:53
  and being like, well, just use your vast wealth to fix it.
• 1:39:57
  After I'm gone, goodbye, You're welcome. Yeah, absolutely, Like yeah,
• 1:40:01
  that really was. It was like spinning a wheel and just accepting whatever
• 1:40:06
  it landed on. And I don't know if people knew, because I feel
• 1:40:13
  like there were a lot of times people did like the designs, Like there
• 1:40:17
  were some episodes where like, for instance, the people who got the fabric
• 1:40:23
  drapes all over their tent walls, they seem to actually like it. They
• 1:40:28
  I guess they liked the novelty of it. They said that their kids would
• 1:40:30
  really love it, that it was really playful and they had a good time.
• 1:40:34
  They liked the sconces coming out of the walls. So I think like
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  some people just maybe aren't the most does They're not good designers themselves, but
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  they are eccentric and they wanted to have really playful, whimsical rooms. There's
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  also a there is a reality with housing prices of houses that were featured on
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  DIY like shows, like television shows like so there is a factor of like,
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  hey, one of these rooms is featured on trading spaces one of these
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  rooms is part of like an extreme home makeover that like actually increases a house
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  sale. Oh my god. People like the novelty of it. You could
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  have an entire flipping strategy of I'm going to get on this show. I'm
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  gonna let Hildie just like finger paint all over the walls, and then I'm
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  as soon as it airs, I'm gonna sell it. This house has a
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  mural of Hilde's face on it. Yeah, there is kind of a market
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  for that, you know now that I remember when I was probably thirteen or
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  fourteen would have been about the height of this, there was a house in
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  my town that was being featured on HDTV. It was being featured in an
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  in a remodel show, and it was already a pretty like for the area
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  expensive house. And I remember like watching the episode when it came on TV,
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  and I remember all of the like painstaking shots that they like basically bent
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  over backwards to show you to make sure you didn't know that right across the
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  street from that house is a chevron in a chicken shack, and that it
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  is in a town of one hundred and fifty people, basically like and yeah,
• 1:42:29
  now that I think about it. That house was for sale within a
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  year for probably way higher than they bought it for. Ye all right,
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  so now looking back on it now, thinking about like your time with your
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  with your mom and it's your family watching Trading Spaces. Is this a show
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  that you and your mom would watch again this weekend? You you think you
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  would be the same, like that we would be the same, or how
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  do you think you would respond to it? Now? I feel like you're
• 1:43:04
  going to do this, like now that you know that I have you and
• 1:43:09
  Bunny are gonna go and now that I have some episodes on deck because she
• 1:43:14
  really actually does like interior design. She has now the home is beautifully furnished.
• 1:43:20
  Um, it's gone through like two different redecorations. During the time that
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  the show was airing, my parents sent me away to sleep away camp in
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  I think it was like two thousand and two and two thousand and two and
• 1:43:32
  two thousand and three, and I think in two thousand and two we played
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  Trading Spaces because I left for camp for two weeks and then when I came
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  back, my bedroom was fully redesigned and they did the whole like reveal and
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  I absolutely loved it. My mom had hand painted butterflies up on like the
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  top of my um, you know, on the top of my walls where
• 1:43:54
  it kind of met the ceiling, and it was just like a beautiful and
• 1:43:57
  cozy like preteen bed room space. But now, yeah, she she designed
• 1:44:02
  her has redesigned her home. She designed her beautiful bakery. And she kind
• 1:44:08
  of loves that, kind of like she loves HDT and all those like Fix
• 1:44:13
  her Upper shows and whatnot. Um, And I think trading spaces is just
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  funny and hilarious and to see where home design can go array really quickly.
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  Um, it just sounds like a good time. I would definitely watch this
• 1:44:27
  with my mom now now and you now you can drink wine with your mom
• 1:44:31
  and watch except she's like allergic to wine, so she'll drink bails whatever the
• 1:44:39
  specific alcohol was at the point of that statement. And you know it,
• 1:44:43
  You have the coolest mom, Miss Bunny. Yes, Kaylatie, is there
• 1:44:49
  anywhere else anything else? If you forgot to plug of your myriad projects?
• 1:44:55
  Where's your where's your mom's bakery? Where can I go? Different? In
• 1:45:00
  New Jersey? And she kind of does these like you know, painting with
• 1:45:02
  a twist. She kind of does that with cookies. So she has these
• 1:45:06
  cookie decorating classes that you can sign up. You get the cookies and she
• 1:45:11
  teaches you how to decorate them because she's just a gorgeous decorator. But she
• 1:45:15
  is sitting Yeah, I think, hold on, let me drop the address
• 1:45:21
  your moms. I don't care about you anymore. Plug your mom. Bunny
• 1:45:25
  cakes on Instagram is she has bunny cakes and cookies one really long Instagram handle,
• 1:45:32
  but she has way more followers than I do. I was going to
• 1:45:39
  I was going to give you this invite, but I was gonna say,
• 1:45:41
  do you want to come back on? You mentioned before that your backup show
• 1:45:45
  was dragon ball Z, So I was going to ask if you wanted to
• 1:45:46
  come back on to talk about dragon ball Z. But in Sam gonna say,
• 1:45:50
  do your mom want to come on to talk about dragon ball Z?
• 1:45:54
  I can ask. She'd probably be down, all right. Think for being
• 1:45:59
  on this show, Thank you so much for having me. This was really
• 1:46:01
  fun. Normally this is the part where I plug all of our social stuff,
• 1:46:05
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• 1:46:10
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• 1:46:29
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• 1:46:31
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• 1:46:34
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• 1:46:38
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• 1:46:41
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• 1:46:45
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• 1:46:48
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• 1:46:55
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• 1:47:00
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• 1:48:03
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