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There was multiple typhoons and cyclones.
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Wow. There's a whole weather front
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coming in. This week on that car show,
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Danny P is back and he's on fire.
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I drive a very special Porsche 9/11 R and an even more special
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Alcoholics GTA R Lindsay gets behind the wheel of both the new
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Toyota Land Cruiser and it's upscale sibling, the Lexus
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GX550. And Dan writes A heavily edited
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magazine article and takes a Spyder Rs to Radwood plus the
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$1,000,000 Ferrari Luche. Our thoughts on that Ducktail,
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the GT3. We share our That Car Show Car
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Week auction preview and we revisit a little segment we call
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if we Ran Porsche. This is a fun one.
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The gang is all here and it's that car show.
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So welcome to this week's That Car show.
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And in a week where one car manufacturer lost 60% of its
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share value because of potential bankruptcy, where Porsche were
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down 21% year on year in car sales and Polestar have had to
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issue a fire sale, it's our job to bring a ray of sunshine to
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everyone's everyone's lives. So it's not quite as bad as it
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kind of I doubt to be, but how are we doing guys?
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So happy to see you both and happy to be here.
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How about you guys? How about them cars?
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Right. Look at them here.
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Good news. Support you, Larry, is that
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they're actually up 19 percent on 9 elevens.
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You're on you. So it's not all, you know,
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whatever the right word is, it's not all doom and gloom.
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It's not all take hands and loose A's.
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Yeah. What have we been up to?
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Maybe I'll start because it's been a while.
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Yes. I went to Radwood, Radwood in
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the Pacific Northwest. So I don't know if you guys, you
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guys are familiar, right? This is the 80s and 90s event
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that is owned now by Haggerty. Yeah, right.
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Friend of the show Art runs it and it was at Griot's Garage
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which is down in Tacoma. My good friend Jeff Jones picked
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me up in his Spider Rs and we created.
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That car, by the way, that's like, that's a very good example
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of a Spider Rs Jeff, so. Why, it's even more so.
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He probably should kill me for saying this.
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So he's upgraded to stereo, he's got a new exhaust coming, and
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then maybe something soon happening to the cosmetics of
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the car, but I won't give too much.
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Away. OK, so watch this space, Yeah,
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for Jeff's updates. Huh.
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Yeah, it's becoming coming the most loved spinner Iris there
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is, I think on the market. But yeah, he's got some smart
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ideas for cosmetics. Taking a note out of the STS
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book, but I won't give any more away because that's now that
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car. I don't know if you guys have
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been in that car, but it has the air intakes by your ears.
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So either side of the the engine gets fed with air right by your
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right ear of your passenger or your left ear if you're if
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you're the driver and it makes some great noises.
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So, so it was fun cruising down in that right.
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There was no parking because it was all all full for 80s and
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90s. So we had to like do a bit of a
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shortcut and, and find some parking.
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What sort of stuff would you expect to see at 80s and 90s?
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And I'll let you know if it was there.
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Deloreans. 30M Threes. Yes, lots of E30M threes.
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And what's the what are the M5 of that era?
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I don't know the 28 E 28. There you go.
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E 28. Yes, there was E 28.
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I don't think I even know what a did you say Riata or Miata?
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Yeah, the Buick Riata, when I went the first time to Rabbit,
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there were like 4 of them. And I mean, that must be a a
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huge percentage of the Riata's still on the road.
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Surviving, yeah. I'm impressed all these years
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later. Yeah, I wouldn't know whether
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I'd recognise 1, that's probably.
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The US only car, yeah. Yeah, there was, and I don't
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think I've ever seen one in North America.
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Do you guys know what the Vauxhall Calibra is?
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I don't know if I know model. I feel like I've seen them, but
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I might not have realized that's what it was called.
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So this was, if you know the Cavalier, the Vauxhall Cavalier,
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you may know this was the 2 door coupe version and at the time it
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had one of the most coefficient drags of any car and it was one
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of those. But that's amazing.
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The one that really stole the show for me.
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Winner of the show. You can't go wrong with a white
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Testorosa, can you? That's like.
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No way. That's amazing.
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I mean, that is the definition of Radwood, isn't it?
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Right, right. So that was that was my winner.
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2nd place, very close, was a yellow SAP 900 convertible
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turbo. Oh yeah.
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That's those two cars really sum up an era, sort of the beginning
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and the end, right of of that, you know, place and time.
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So. Yeah, now I know.
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So I have been to Radwood in San Pedro.
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I haven't made it to the Pacific Northwest 1 yet.
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They always have an SUV section. Were there any of those at this
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one? There there was.
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I wouldn't say it was a dedicated section for SUV's.
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There was a section for the GMC's.
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So they made the Cyclone and what was the other one they
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made? The typhoon.
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Typhoon there were there was multiple typhoons and cyclones.
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Wow. There's a whole weather front
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coming in at that point. Batten down the hatches, guys.
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Red was in. Before I.
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I don't think I've ever seen so many in one place, and I think
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there was like 6. Yeah, yeah.
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Again, I would imagine that's like a good percentage of the
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ones that are left. Right.
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Especially in the Pacific Northwest, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, that's pretty wild. That's cool.
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Were there any like Land Cruisers or Broncos or?
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It was a Broncosu. Cheaper.
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I saw a Bronco and I don't think I saw any Land Cruisers or you.
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Know. It's weird because you get
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selected. They didn't make it the event,
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sorry. Yeah, they were camping by the
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side of the road. What?
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Was I thinking of in LA that I think there was a sidekick like
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a? Suzuki Sidekick.
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Suzuki Sidekick. Thank you.
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That's a car that was everywhere.
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Like I don't know when I was in high school, right?
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And it's been years since I've seen one so.
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They had one at the event in LA and it was like it was such a
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blast from the past. Yeah, yeah.
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It's funny, I think you look for the cars you want to see, right?
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So there was probably like all the cars you've mentioned were
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probably. They just didn't register, Yeah.
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Yeah. So that was a fun morning,
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Saturday morning. And then we went on to the
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Lemay, which is the the Car Museum, and they had a German
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event on. Oh, how was that?
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So it, it was good. Lots of porches, as you'd
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imagine. It was interesting.
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I don't think, I think I saw 2 Mercedes in a field full of
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cars. Kidding.
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I just, it's, it was just, you know, people just don't have the
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Mercedes up here. Yeah.
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It's. Interesting.
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Why do you think that is? I mean, Pacific Northwest is
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dominated by Porsches especially because obviously a lot of them
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are a wheel drive, but like lots of M twos.
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If you guys know far the flywheel, Justin, he was there
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with his Rs 6. So there were two Audis as well.
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So not many Audis. They were in the minority.
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The others were all in for timing belt service.
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There we go. There we go.
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But yeah, it was good to see some folks that I hadn't seen
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for a while. And yeah, so that was a good, a
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good Saturday morning, a good way to kick off.
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Yeah, it was. It was good fun.
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So how about yourselves, Ryan? I think you've been driving some
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more rarefied cars, haven't you? I've been yeah.
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Our friend Tom Horan let me drive his new 9/11 R, which is
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sadly already moving on. But.
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But before it does. Incredible coming yeah, in its
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place. But so this is a really special
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example, you know, you know, the 9/11 R this was the car that
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Porsche came out was supposed to be the last manual Porsche,
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right? And it was basically the GT3RS
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engine of from what 20/14/2015 and effectively a GT3 touring
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body before there was such a thing, you know, as the touring
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that came along with the dot twos.
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Many of these cars were were white with red stripes or green
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stripes and a lot of silver cars.
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This was a really special car, not metallic black with black
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stripes. And this amazing, I'm going to
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forget the name of the the color, but a dark brown interior
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with with Papita inserts, just spectacular.
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I don't know, but you guys in the 9/11 R was never really a
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car on my radar. It I just didn't understand what
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people went on and on about this thing, right, Especially after
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the the the .2 touring came out. Well, I'm here to tell you that
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it is a very special thing. People seem to fall in one or
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two camps. People who have driven it
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either, yeah, it's kind of like a Touring, but a lot more
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expensive or Oh yeah, that's the greatest thing I've ever driven.
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And I'm I'm kind of in that second camp.
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There's something about it, you know, 500 horsepower.
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It's that that Rs engine. It's, you know, it's a manual,
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obviously. And it's got this, this really
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light flywheel that just gives the car completely different
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character. So you do get that rattle at
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idle. It was just it it it it felt
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like 600 horsepower, right? It just it it felt that much
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stronger even than 500 horsepower.
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Beautiful thing People who know know.
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I don't know if it's worth what they're trading for, especially
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in a spec like this right, which is quite a bit more expensive
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than your typical white and silver cars, but just a
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fantastic experience. It's just, I, I swear that that
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model, maybe because it was hand built in the way that the others
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weren't, like this was going to be the swan song for Porsche's
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manual. That thing is like a vault, even
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in a way that other Porsches aren't.
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Just just perfect shifting. You know, the, the the engine
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was strong, great ride, great sound, just a wonderful,
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wonderful thing. Yeah, I'm a fan. 9/11 R Drive
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one if you get a chance 'cause they're really wonderful.
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Thank heaven for friends who are generous with their keys, right?
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I I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, pretty incredible.
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If I could afford one, I would buy one.
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But last I cannot so. So thank you so much.
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Just it's our friend Tom. Absolutely.
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And then you get in, you know, yeah, versus the the touring,
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you know, is it worth, you know, twice as much or whatever?
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I, I, I don't know. But it does have its own
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character. The the touring is wonderful,
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but there's something special about the the 9 elevener.
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I guess you get what you pay for, right.
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And, and the market sort of figures itself out, yeah.
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You know, some of the stuff is they're intangibles, right?
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But but they're still worth something.
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And you know, any, any modern Porsche really, right?
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They're all pretty great, especially with the, the GT
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cars, right? It's just, you know, you're
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starting to, you know, the, the decreasing returns, right?
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I mean, once you once you get up there, but yeah, this was really
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wonderful. One of the best cars I think
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I've I've driven in recent, recent time for sure.
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So. You've gotten to drive some
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pretty fun stuff lately. So that's that's really saying
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something that this has sort of gotten under your skin the way
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it sounds like it did well. I'm going to tell you secret.
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I drove that car after I drove the Alphaholics GTAR.
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Now I've got a piece in Avantz magazine that's coming out in
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September, feature on the Alphaholics car.
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I've driven this before. It's a wonderful thing.
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Probably priced kind of in the same, you know, range as well,
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but couldn't be a more different car.
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It's awesome. It's special.
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I talk about in the article how it's like the 4th or 5th car for
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someone who's owned everything right when you really kind of
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get into the weeds with new stuff, new flavours.
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But but it was that 911 hour that I I really kind of fell in
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love with. So don't tell Tom.
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But yeah, they're historically significant because they paid
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for the development work for the Duty 3 Touring.
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I didn't know that. So, so yeah.
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So they were a premium so they could they could justify and get
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the money into the program for the GT3 Touring.
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So you know, when you look at historically buying these cars
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at auction, etcetera, it has a story to tell as well, which is
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interesting. That's pretty cool.
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But it's a similar price to the St. isn't it?
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So. Well, and it's kind of the same
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in the same spirit, right? You know that Rs engine, right?
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It just got that little extra Zing right then then you know
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the standard one. And so I've not driven the St.
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have either of you, I mean we need to make this happen if.
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Not no, we do. Not I imagine that thing's also
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pretty wonderful. So.
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Yeah, that's the recipe right there.
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Rs engine, no wing, manual transmission.
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Jobs are good as we would say. I got a question for you guys.
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What is right now the most popular in terms of demand new
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car on the market? So I was watching some YouTube
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algorithm and it showed me a top ten list of all the cars that
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are currently like they, they measure it in terms of days
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availability. And this has less than two weeks
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to talk across the US. Can you guess What Car it is at
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#1 and there's a link here. It's Japanese.
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It's 4 by 4. Lexus GX550.
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It's not. It's the Land Cruiser.
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So they sell approximately 7000 Land Cruisers a month at the
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moment. And at the moment in stock
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across the US there is less than 2000 available.
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So you, Lindsay, drove one the other week and you were raving
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about it. And everybody agrees.
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Yeah, but the Land Cruiser has an older, more grown up brother,
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doesn't it, in the Lexus family? And I think you've just got your
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hands on one of those, Lindsay. I did.
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That was the GX550, and it's funny that you say that because
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I was just talking to a friend who said they had been on the, I
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think it was the Toyota lot. Maybe they thought it was Lexus,
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whatever it was, they were saying this, but I didn't have
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enough details. But yeah, they were told by the
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dealer that they can't keep them on the lot and they can't even
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get them when they do so. Yeah, so I had the GX550, which
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is the Lexus version of the current Land Cruiser, which
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outside the US is the Prado. And I had the Overtrail edition,
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which is the more off road outfitted.
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It comes with tougher, you know, running boards, higher
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suspension, knobby tires. And it was, I did end up getting
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to take this one off road. That was my wandering route with
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the Land Cruiser that I did not have time to take it off road.
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And it was really interesting going into that car because when
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I drove the Land Cruiser I was raving about it.
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My whole family fell in love with it.
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I was like, I could absolutely drive one of these everyday.
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It fit my life very well. Super usable, lovely.
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All of this. Everyone kept telling me that
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week, wait to drive the Lexus. Wait to drive the Lexus.
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I think I told you that. You did too, Yeah.
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And because the only thing that I noted about the Land Cruiser
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that I would change is a slightly bigger engine, because
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you do hear the engine noise and it's not.
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Like 4 cylinder turbo versus. Cylinder, right, So you know, my
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my like ideal dream spec would be the Land Cruiser with the
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engine that's only available in the Lexus, the V6.
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So I got into the Lexus thinking like all will be solved, and I
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was surprised how much you still do here.
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The engine, given what everybody had sort of set me up to expect.
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But and so it was interesting because it it didn't feel like
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it was enough of a difference given the price increase where,
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you know, maybe you go get one that's a couple years old, Let
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somebody else take the hit if you really want the Lexus.
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But it felt similar enough to the Land Cruiser that I think
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you could get the Land Cruiser and be very happy with it.
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But I will say we did have a chance to take the Lexus off
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road and it totally transformed how we were feeling about the
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car. It was super fun.
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And the funniest part was we had gone up a trail.
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We were out in Riverside and took a trail there that we
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thought would go all the way through into Orange County and
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basically put us like not far from where we want to end up.
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But it was closed because of the fire danger because it's been so
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hot here. So we hit the gate, you know,
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closing the trail and went to turn around.
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The only other car that we saw on the trail that day and we
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were out there for a bit was another Lexus GX550.
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Really. Oh, really?
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It was. And it, we were just like we had
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the best time. The other driver got out, we got
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to meet them and chatted a little bit and I told him about
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the show and so he. Had the.
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Exactly. So he had the premium edition
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with off road tires. So I think it would be
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interesting to see how that feels like for daily use because
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I think that might be the sweet spot.
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If you want the Lexus, get the premium one and like maybe put a
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little bit of the off road stuff on it.
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Because when you think about it, unless you were buying it and
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you're going to be off roading regularly, which I would venture
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to say most of us are not, the premium is probably going to be
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a better experience day-to-day. And it's still super capable off
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road. So yeah, I think it's, I think
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it's a great option. It was interesting in the Land
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Cruiser, I had an adult and two kids in the back seat and in the
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Lexus it just worked out that I had two adults and a child in
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the back seat and it was a little tighter.
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Obviously everybody was bigger, you know, in the first scenario,
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everybody was like, this is fantastic, plenty of room.
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So it just depends on who you're carting around and what your
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lifestyle is, I think you know. Let me ask you, I think because
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so I I'm in Denver, obviously, so I'm at altitude and I drove
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both of these these trucks in the mountains.
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So, you know, I'm at 5280 or whatever here at my house and we
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were probably double that a lot of the time I was behind the
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wheel, both these cars and they, you know, I know turbos go a
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long way in compensating for altitude, power loss, this kind
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of thing. But I think why I like the Lexus
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even more, I think the distinction was even greater was
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here that that larger displacement engine fill fills
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in some of the the gap right between before you get into the,
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the turbo, right. That makes sense.
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I found the Toyota a little more on off and, and if you're up to
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me, I'm probably buying the Toyota just because it's cheaper
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and it's basically the same thing.
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And that kind of but, but there was something about that 6
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cylinder. I think we drive so few use 6
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cylinders anymore 2 everything's a, you know, a 4 cylinder turbo
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that you know, just but again, you know, the the land, the Land
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Cruiser is already pretty great. That was that was just, you
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know, that extra 10%, right? So yeah, no, I mean, I great.
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Vehicles, and they're everywhere.
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I think you'd be lucky to have either 1.
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You know, my sister and her family, we're in Colorado and
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they did some off roading and she's, it was almost entirely
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new Land Cruisers and FJ's. And you know, like that was
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really fun to see, especially having experienced both of the
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Land Cruiser versions and knowing that you've done that.
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So I think I don't think you could go wrong with either one
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of them. I think it's a matter of sort of
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fine tuning based on what you're going to be using it for and
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then, you know, go from there. Do you recall that the stickers
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and on both of those the MSRP in each of this?
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Yeah, that was the other thing that was surprising.
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So the Land Cruiser that I had, the sticker price was 70 and the
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Lexus that I had was 77. So that was another thing where
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we were like, there's really not like there wasn't a huge price
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difference if you really wanted the Lexus badging, you know,
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like if that was important to you.
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Like it's very accessible if you're already into the Land
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Cruiser territory. But yeah, they so they were
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closer together. But I think obviously when you
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get into like the premium on the Lexus, like the premium trim, it
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gets closer to 90 I think. Wow.
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Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of money.
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It is. So that's why I always say find
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whatever you want. Find one that's a couple years
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old with the CPO and it opens up a lot more possibilities.
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Yeah, yeah. Good trucks.
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Well, it might be easier to buy the Lexus in the minute, right?
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Based on demand, yeah. Yeah, 6 month of the six months
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of those. They're like the Charger EV,
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Dan, right? Right, there we go.
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Wheeling dealing at the Lexus dealership.
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But it sounds like the Toyota guys are actually putting Adms
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and and all that malarkey and just can't believe we're back
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to, you know, dealer fitted accessories.
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Like, you know, I didn't want the fluffy dice, but I paid to
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have it put in the. But the undercoating, that's
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where it's at. I mean, you know, it's worth it
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all. Day.
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Oh man yeah, if you get the premium undercoating they stand
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on one leg while they spray it on. 2 layers.
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Dealers say, what else have you been driving, Lindsay?
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Have you you've had any other cars?
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I have So I had what might be my favorite press car so far this
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year only because of the livery, shall we say it was.
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So I had a new Bronco. It was a 4 door big bend with
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the four Wheeling graphics. And so it was the sunset stripes
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and it just even sitting in the driveway, it made us smile.
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And I was talking to a neighbor and mentioned that I had this
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amazing Bronco and she's like, that's you.
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I've seen it driving around. I love it.
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It's so cute. And the day before it went back,
22:23
it was, you know, yeah, I, I would venture to say it is cute
22:28
and it is, it's just so cheerful.
22:31
It's so happy. And it was, you know, I mean, I,
22:35
you guys have experienced this too.
22:36
Like, obviously whatever you just stepped out of colors your
22:41
experience even initially or like at least initially when you
22:44
go to the next thing. So I went from the Lexus to the
22:48
Bronco and you know, we were talking about like engine noise
22:51
or Rd. noise in the Land Cruiser and the Lexus and the Bronco is
22:55
a very different thing. And but it, I think we noticed
22:58
the wind noise in the Bronco a lot more just because it was so
23:01
different from the Lexus. But the solution is you just
23:04
take the tops off and then you're expecting the wind noise
23:08
and it's so much more fun. So it was great.
23:13
Like we ended up taking it to the beach and cruise down,
23:18
cruise down PCH in Huntington with the tops off and the
23:21
windows down and it was like, it does not get much better than
23:25
being in the like sunset stripe Bronco on PCH.
23:30
You know, like name a better scenario.
23:32
I'll wait. I mean, that's in its element
23:36
for sure. Yeah.
23:37
Which engine was? It yeah, that is a good question
23:41
and I am blanking at the moment. I will.
23:44
So I think they do 2 two and a 27.
23:49
I can. I can look it up if you guys
23:52
want to chit chat about something else.
23:54
I can tell you exactly. How it was.
23:56
I just wondered what it was like on the freeway, like whether it
23:59
was nippy and. It was, yeah, because we did
24:02
some, like, running around picking up car parts, you know,
24:05
just like in LA and Orange County.
24:08
It was great. Like, great pickup, the
24:12
throttle, you know, we never turned the radio on.
24:16
We're having too much fun just enjoying the car.
24:20
Yeah. We don't listen to the radio
24:23
that much 'cause we're just we talk too much.
24:25
No, I, I'm, I'm kind of with you.
24:27
But in a vehicle like that, we're out cruising you.
24:29
Know right like it had I thought to turn the radio on, you know
24:33
when we're going to the beach like that would have been I
24:35
mean, like do some Beach Boys on the radio but yeah even just
24:39
around town it, it was great like super usable, comfortable.
24:47
And that one is really special because the stitching inside,
24:51
you know so the stripes are like it goes from red orange, yellow
24:55
and there's like 5 or 6 different shades in the
24:57
gradient. So inside the stitching on the
25:00
seats is red, orange and yellow. And then the inserts on the
25:03
seats mimics the stripes. And, you know, there's embossed
25:06
horses and just all sorts of little fun touches that made it
25:11
feel really fun. And it was like, if you want
25:15
something that's going to lift your spirits, this is the car to
25:17
go get in that like, paint job package.
25:23
So yeah, I will look up the engine.
25:25
Nice. Walk amongst yourselves.
25:27
Here we go. Well, while you're looking at
25:29
the engine, so Ryan, you alluded to it, but I think you've got
25:32
two articles coming out. Yeah, in Advance and I will just
25:36
give a quick plug. I'm showing the latest version
25:39
of Advance with the Curry GT and yellow on the front.
25:41
Yeah, because I've got an article in that one.
25:44
And it's a very good article. That's kind of you to say.
25:47
So it was heavily edited, but yeah.
25:51
Stopped. Well, So what did you, what did
25:53
you write about? I wrote about an off road
25:57
experience last November when we went to SEMA and took two days
26:02
and went through the desert. And yes, I talked to Carl, who's
26:07
the editor in chief and said, hey, do you want the story for
26:10
the the magazine? And he said, yeah, it's a
26:12
different story. Would love that.
26:13
So it's funny, like I, I, I sent him the, the article probably
26:18
January, February of this year. And it's taken, you know, that
26:21
long 'cause you know, Karl does a great job of having themes for
26:25
each magazine episode and right, you know, making sure that
26:27
everything's curated and, but, but Ryan, you've got 2.
26:31
So you not just one, but two. But they haven't come out yet.
26:34
They maybe be really heavily, we'll see, but no.
26:39
No, sorry. But go check out Dan's article
26:41
because it really is great. The photography is great.
26:43
And you know, as an author, you want to put the reader in your
26:46
shoes and and I felt like the article really does that.
26:50
It was an adventure. It was AI mean.
26:52
It was a yeah, I don't know. It was he.
26:54
Took us along with. It I wanted to be there, it was
26:56
cool. I know and they share that Ivan,
26:59
who's the photographer. No.
27:00
Well, and I realized they most that issue arrived at the house
27:05
and I was flipping through it and I saw the title and I went,
27:08
wait a minute, that sounds like what Dan did.
27:09
And then I flipped to the article and realized it was your
27:12
article. Like we got.
27:14
Guys, it's so cool that we're in the circles we are because
27:17
hardly a day goes by where I just don't run into a friend's
27:20
article, whether it's the New York Times, whether it's a car
27:23
magazine or car website, something like Avant's.
27:26
It's just, and often times I don't catch it when I start
27:29
reading it like this. This sounds kind of, you know,
27:31
like someone I know. And then I go up, up, you know,
27:34
back up and see the author and you know, it's, it's, it's
27:36
pretty cool. It's pretty cool.
27:38
And there's something about print too, right?
27:40
To see your name in print, to see your piece in print, that's
27:42
special. So plug.
27:45
For a. Yeah, yeah.
27:48
And then this next issue with my two articles is September 15th,
27:51
I believe. So we'll, we'll, you know, we'll
27:54
look for that when it comes up. But one's on Bruce Meyer, which
27:56
I think we've talked about the others on Tom Horan's Alcoholics
28:00
gtar, which is a hell of a car. It's really, really pretty cool.
28:04
But much like your article, assisted in great part by
28:08
wonderful photography. So can't wait, can't wait.
28:13
Great opportunity. Avance Magazine is really,
28:15
really on a. They do good stuff.
28:17
On a great tear right now, so yeah.
28:20
Well, they just had. Their.
28:21
Classics on the green, Dan, did you get to go to that?
28:25
I didn't know I was otherwise unavailable, but it looked very
28:29
good. It's, yeah, I got to go last
28:31
year and it's just, it's such a lovely event.
28:34
It's at the Chateau St. Michel winery in Woodinville,
28:38
which is on the east side of the greater Seattle area.
28:42
And yeah, I mean, Chrissy and Adam, they just put together
28:46
like such a cool collection of cars.
28:49
You see some really unique stuff and it's lovely because it's
28:52
sort of like going to the Derby. People dress up and they have
28:55
sun hats and it's a very, you know, it's a more of a genteel
28:58
cars and coffee. They would probably cringe at me
29:01
calling it a cars and coffee. So, cars and wine.
29:05
I helped exhibit of that show a few years ago.
29:09
Did you? And yeah, and I moved to car
29:13
onto the lawn and moved it around car parks and stuff, so.
29:18
In essence, I guess it's. Long enough now that they can
29:20
talk about it. So there were three cars that
29:23
were shipped up from LA. One was a Ferrari F41, was an EB
29:27
110 and one was a roof yellow Bird and.
29:30
That's a trio, right? The keys were there and I was
29:34
given the opportunity of one set of keys out of the three.
29:38
So. So what'd you go for?
29:41
Very good mind. I'm 6 foot 2 and.
29:44
All right, I'll tell you what I'm going for.
29:46
And I don't know that I would fit.
29:47
And this is a whole other discussion, right?
29:49
But as crazy as this sounds, I'm probably more likely to have an
29:54
opportunity to drive a roof or an F40 before I would ever have
29:58
another opportunity to drive an EB110.
30:00
So EB 110 for me. Nice.
30:03
And that's crazy. That was a well thought out
30:05
well. But again, like, how lucky are
30:07
we, right? I know.
30:10
Which would you have picked? I would choose the F40.
30:16
Interesting. So my decision was based on
30:20
would I fit in the car and how many of them were made.
30:24
And when you look at the F40I think there's over 2000.
30:29
When you look at the EB110, I think it's around 500.
30:34
It's definitely 6 figures. Sorry, three figures.
30:38
My math's not good. Tonight there were 29 roof
30:40
yellow birds and not all were yellow so I took the roof.
30:46
Yeah, that was. That's the one I want to take
30:47
home, don't get me wrong. Right, right.
30:50
That's a very good car. And you're saying there's a
30:52
higher likelihood of that? Well, now he's writing with
30:59
Bruce. Maybe Bruce will lend him his
31:01
his yellow bird #1. If you have an open spruce spot,
31:05
right? Yeah.
31:07
Yeah, yeah, very good. Shall we talk about some rumours
31:11
and ideas that we've seen in the press?
31:13
Yes. Sir.
31:14
Let's move on a little bit, right?
31:15
Let's. Talk with Shall I quickly answer
31:17
the question so we can close the loop on the bar?
31:19
Oh, sorry, yeah no, you're good. It was a 2.3 litre EcoBoost
31:24
engine. OK, so that's the lower powered
31:26
one. And you're saying it was still
31:27
pretty? It was perfect, pretty nippy.
31:30
Yeah, Yeah. Like no lag getting on the
31:32
freeway. It was interesting because the
31:33
throttle, you know, some throttles are heavier than
31:37
others. This one was kind of middle of
31:39
the road. It was solid, but not enough
31:42
where you're like, OK, my leg's going to get tired on a road
31:44
trip. No.
31:46
So highly recommend. Yep.
31:49
We do all right. I certainly do.
31:54
So I was, I don't know if you guys have seen this in the
31:56
press, but Porsche is everyone uses the Nurburgring to test
32:00
don't they? And some cars are more disguised
32:02
than others. But Porsche are a test driving
32:06
and prototyping a GT3 with a duck tail on the back.
32:11
So I wondered whether it could be the new Sport classic because
32:18
every generation they seemed to have a sport classic.
32:21
The last generation was a turbo engines rear wheel drive manual
32:27
car with a duck tail. But what else could it be?
32:31
Did it have the double bubble roof by?
32:33
Chance. I don't think it did.
32:35
I'm still going with Sport Classic.
32:37
I just, I mean, right, I think Mctell, you think Sport Classic
32:40
so. It did have GT3 Touring written
32:42
on the back, you know, on the engine Bay, but that, you know,
32:45
they could put anything on it, right?
32:47
Is that like a misdirection? Could be.
32:52
It could be. I mean, Porsche have recently
32:54
come out. The CEO has said that he intends
32:56
to, you know, produce less cars but make more money on the cars
33:00
they're producing, right? So maybe can we talk about that
33:04
for just a second, I mean? Don't we all want to do a lot of
33:06
work? I mean the, the right, that's
33:10
the dream, right? But, but you know, I, I, this is
33:15
when we need the new, I don't know, you call IT914924,
33:20
whatever, right? More than ever, we need an
33:22
accessible Porsche. Because even though those last
33:25
718 Caymans, you know, even the base 4 cylinders, some of them
33:29
were $90,000 before they stopped making the 718.
33:33
You know, that's way too much money for 95% of America, maybe
33:37
more, right? We need a, we need an entry
33:41
level Porsche. I think that's the direction we
33:43
should be going, but. It would be good.
33:45
We don't run Porsche. None of us are going to
33:46
complain. Right, here's the question for
33:49
you Ryan. Would you buy a hypothetically
33:53
an Audi that was like Porsche designed Audi.
33:57
So in the same way obviously the Rs was Rs 2, they they put well.
34:04
This goes back to the, the, the like even earlier, I think,
34:07
right. I mean, there was the Volkswagen
34:09
fox that was also the Audi fox. I mean, there was, and I think
34:12
they made these mistakes before there was just too much, I don't
34:15
know, incestuous stuff going on with Porsche, Volkswagen and
34:18
Audi. And I think, you know, it burned
34:19
them forever, right? So I don't know that they would
34:23
ever do anything like that again.
34:24
Dan, you know, like a like a you're talking about a basically
34:27
a Porsche engineered Audi sports car.
34:30
Yeah, yeah, in the same way they did it with the RS2, right?
34:33
Yeah, yeah. The wagon they worked with
34:37
Mercedes on the was it the E500? That's right.
34:42
So, you know, if they did a Audi TT Porsche designed like, would
34:48
that work to fill in that little gap you're talking about?
34:52
It's interesting because I want both of those cars very much.
34:57
This is some of these things. Let me get.
34:58
Both and then I will tell you. Yeah, I mean, just wonderful
35:03
cars, right? Although I've not driven either
35:05
one, you know, I have a couple friends here in Denver who do
35:08
have 500ES or E500. So maybe the RS2 is a little
35:11
tougher to come by anymore. But yeah, I don't know.
35:15
It's, it's, it's, I think it would be all in the marketing,
35:19
right? And it would have to be amazing,
35:21
right? It would have to look great.
35:22
It would have to look great. It's that's a tough.
35:26
One and drive great, right? Drive great, yeah.
35:28
And. And.
35:29
Ultimately. Yeah, like no excuses, right?
35:32
No excuses. And the price point would have
35:33
to be, yeah, first point would have to be like 60 or 70 grand,
35:38
I would think, to make it make sense.
35:40
Would it appeal to you Lindsay? Like the Porsche Designs TT.
35:48
Knowing that it's. Engineering excellence.
35:52
I think it's one of those things that you would end up you're
35:54
like in theory it's great, but in practice people kind of go
35:58
like, I don't know. And it's not like obviously we
36:04
know Porsche does amazing work. Anything Porsche design is going
36:07
to be great, you assume. But I think it's kind of one of
36:12
those like Frankenstein monster things where you're like, it's
36:15
too many things. Mishmash is kind of that's my
36:19
gut reaction. But I mean if it really comes.
36:22
Out people are going to take the Audi badge off and put a a
36:27
Porsche badge. I think the the the alternative
36:30
to that, though, is you have to go and find another brand,
36:33
right, Because Porsche are not going to build that car that
36:36
you're looking for. Ryan Yeah, I know.
36:38
Not right now. OK, let me ask you this.
36:40
Are you fans of this Nuvolari concept car that Audi's come out
36:44
with? Because that's a love it or hate
36:46
it proposition? Have you seen this thing?
36:48
There's only 500 of them so but. What about a mini one of those?
36:51
A mini Nuvolari. Well, I think we've seen that
36:53
already, haven't we? We've seen that in the the TT
36:55
Electric. Yeah.
37:00
I I don't know it, it's such a weird like, again, I think
37:05
they'd have to get it just right because anything short of just
37:08
right and it's going to become the laughing stock, right?
37:11
Yeah. Well, and I I think you hit the
37:14
nail on the head, Ryan, like anything where you go well, it's
37:18
it's almost a something. And so I'm just going to switch
37:20
the badges. I feel like you've lost before
37:23
you even start. If people are like, well, it's
37:26
close. It's like what a lot of people
37:30
experience with like replicas versus the real thing where your
37:34
entire experience is people going like, well, but oh, is it
37:38
real? And you have to say, oh, it's
37:39
replica or whatever. I think it's one of the like
37:42
where you go, oh, it's an accessible Porsche, but it's not
37:45
really. And so then you end up in this
37:48
weird limbo like. Here's what I'm afraid it's
37:54
going to happen. Porsche really will follow in
37:56
the path of modern Ferrari, right?
37:58
Where there's not much in that modern Ferrari, price be damned.
38:02
There's not much in the modern Ferrari lineup that I really
38:04
lust after. The stuff I lust after are 350
38:07
fives and 340 eights and five 50s and 57 fives and F 40s and
38:11
that kind of thing. And I, I I'm just afraid that if
38:15
if Porsche follows, I think, I think Ferrari should be going
38:19
the other way. I think there should be a new
38:20
Dino. We've talked about this before.
38:22
Yeah, right. I I.
38:26
It's not worth it. Money's out though, is it?
38:27
I know, but that's so that's the problem because.
38:29
That's the business problem. I know, but it wasn't always
38:32
like that, right? You know, I'm working on the
38:35
Colorado Grand car descriptions right now for the 2026 running
38:39
of the Grand. And by the way, with some
38:41
wonderful cars, just amazing stuff.
38:44
Just amazing stuff. But one of the things I.
38:45
Really love. I don't think anyone will get
38:49
too mad if I say there are 4D types, Jaguar D types and 20 odd
38:55
some Ferraris. But what's cool is, you know,
38:58
some of these cars have a competition history when you
39:00
talk about the D type, right? When you talk about, you know,
39:02
something like a 250 GTO or whatever.
39:04
And a lot of these people submit photos of the era and some of
39:08
the photos are like the car rolling out of the factory with
39:11
all the engineers and they're like white coats and they're
39:13
taking pictures and they're smoking cigars and cigarettes.
39:16
And it's just like there's a vibe, right?
39:18
There's just a vibe. And it's special.
39:21
Some of the cars, you know, are photographed in competition.
39:24
And there's again, there's just there's something analog,
39:27
There's something real that, you know, I know those days are are
39:30
long gone, but it wasn't always about what it's about now.
39:33
And I guess that's what turns me off.
39:35
It's just you meet someone like, yeah, they're not for me.
39:40
Right. And unfortunately, I, I feel
39:43
that way about a lot of the stuff from Ferrari these days
39:45
and increasingly the Porsche stuff, right when I saw that
39:48
new, you know, 911 career T come out with wheels that we're
39:53
hideous, right. The new GT3 touring has some
39:56
funky bits. I don't know if you've seen
39:58
Harry's garage, Harry Metcalf driving the thing where you
40:02
know, I, I don't need to have a badge that says lightweight
40:06
right on the centre stack. I don't need a sticker in the
40:08
window that tells me it's a manual transmission.
40:10
That's just Is ghost the word? You.
40:14
Know not a German word, but you know, it's just I, I think we're
40:18
just going in the wrong. Direction.
40:20
Well, that was one of the complaints when the St. came
40:22
out, right? Didn't it have a manual sticker
40:24
in the window? And people were like, why do?
40:27
Why would you do that? That's the first thing I'm
40:28
taking off, Yeah. Yeah.
40:31
Yeah. Is there a new car that you guys
40:34
lost after? Because for me there is one
40:36
Ferrari new I lost off. But before we get to mine, is
40:40
there a a brand new car that you lost after for its looks?
40:48
I mean it. Should be easy guys.
40:49
This should be so. Easy.
40:51
I know we have a special color pack on it, but.
40:55
No, I was thinking I'm like, this is totally not the like
40:58
type of car we've been talking about, but I mean, of course a
41:02
defender. Here we go, an Octa.
41:05
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
41:08
That or AG Wagon, although I don't love the interiors, but I,
41:11
I think just as a thing, the G wagon's pretty wonderful.
41:14
Yeah, you know, yeah. I mean, despite it all, I I'd
41:17
still take a a GT3 or something but but yeah, you know what?
41:21
I'd take a 9 and 1.2 touring before I take a 992.2 touring,
41:26
so. You're like, I'll be generous
41:29
and I will like. That old, like, are we at that
41:31
point now where we just start buying like the old stuff right
41:34
Where I mean the the oldies stations on the radio play the
41:37
music of our youth. It's no longer the 50s and 60s
41:39
stuff. It's, you know, the Gin Blossoms
41:41
this. Is where?
41:44
We're here guys. The first time you hear your
41:46
music on the Oldies station is one of those like Touchstone,
41:49
where you're just like, this cannot be happening.
41:52
They don't call it the oldies though.
41:53
What do they call it? It's it's.
41:55
Classic now or something. It's not classic rock.
41:58
I'm clearly not in the same demographic as you 2 I the the
42:03
Ferrari 12 cylinder convertible. I just think that is one of the
42:06
most beautiful cars ever made. You know, I would if I had the
42:10
money, I would buy one tomorrow. It's it's that beautiful.
42:14
I need to think a lot bigger is what I'm.
42:16
Hearing it looks like a modern Daytona.
42:19
Oh yeah, and I remember was it last year, the year before where
42:21
they were everywhere at car week, at least the coupe, right.
42:25
I don't know that it's beautiful, but it is it is cool.
42:28
It's. Cool.
42:28
Yeah, that's a good choice, Dan. Yeah.
42:31
I need I need to think like a lottery winner rather than.
42:35
AI mean you're going to need to be a lottery winner to put gas
42:38
in an Octa. Yeah, it's easy to hate when it
42:42
doesn't, when it's completely irrelevant, these choices,
42:45
right? You know it's it's.
42:47
Yeah, no, it's so I have heard rumours that McLaren will be at
42:53
the quail and they will be unveiling a limited edition
42:56
manual car. So following in the footsteps of
42:59
Ferrari that obviously have just released a manual car.
43:03
And if you think about it, car. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's
43:08
technical. Well, you can stall it, right.
43:09
So I'm I'm calling it. Manual that's.
43:12
That's my definition of a manual.
43:13
I can install it, yeah. And I will.
43:16
Right. And if you remember the three
43:21
McLaren, Ferrari and Aston Martin around the same sort of
43:25
time, like all got together and produced these these topless
43:30
cars, didn't they? There was the the Monza SP3 or
43:34
SP2 or something. There was the Elva and Aston
43:38
Martin had one. So it sounds like Ferrari were
43:41
first out of the gates. It sounds like McLaren are going
43:43
to bring one to the the market. And I don't know if it counts
43:46
but Aston Martin have got the Valor which is a a sold out 110
43:50
builds manual car. Yeah, they're going to run out
43:55
of V words. I'm just.
43:57
Yeah. They're just going to start
43:58
making them up. Yeah, it's didn't those, didn't
44:04
those topless cars off, didn't they also also come without
44:08
windshields, windscreens and. As I did.
44:10
Some of them were refitted, right?
44:12
You know, you couldn't give those things away at first.
44:15
I wasn't, I mean. Car Week when the Monza was like
44:21
debuted and they had a whole bunch of them that were moving
44:23
around on Moss kind of. And you know, to the uneducated
44:29
at the time, it was like, what is that?
44:31
And why would you not want a windshield?
44:34
Yeah. Goggles live and learn.
44:38
You want to get that dirt around your eyes when you take the, you
44:40
know, you roll to the club, right?
44:41
The authenticity. They're goggles, right?
44:43
Right. What's up?
44:45
So we will watch this space to see whether the McLaren does
44:48
come to the Quail. But if it does, you heard it
44:50
here first. Yep.
44:51
There you go. Yep.
44:52
Yep, I think they will. I think 100% money's on that for
44:55
sure. So we will, we will see Morgan.
44:59
So Morgan, the great British brand, is bringing their car to
45:03
market in the US. They because of restrictions,
45:08
they're not allowed to bring what I would call the full fat
45:10
version, and they have to bring a smaller engine car.
45:16
Who buys a Morgan? You mean besides Jerry Seinfeld?
45:21
Yeah. Does he have one?
45:23
Yeah, he's a big Morgan enthusiast.
45:26
Interesting. Our buddy Jason Meshnick, who
45:29
who writes for Autoblog and other outlets, he had one in LA
45:32
for a week, said it was the greatest car he's driven in
45:35
forever. He said it was transformative.
45:38
But I would put money that he had the bigger engine.
45:40
I think he did. I think it was European, but I
45:44
love, I love Morgan so much. You know, I mean, we've talked
45:46
about this before, but I think it was last year's car.
45:48
We were at Motor Lux and it started to sprinkle, you know,
45:52
it started to rain and there was a man out there wiping down a
45:54
car. It was a Morgan and he was the
45:56
CEO of Morgan. I mean, give me one other car
45:59
brand, right, that that would ever, ever happened with, right?
46:02
So there's something just special.
46:04
I would buy one. I really, I really would now.
46:06
I think it's, that's a very like location dependent device,
46:11
right? I mean, I think if you lived in
46:13
like Carmel or something beautiful, I don't know if
46:16
Omaha, NE, it's going to have quite the same appeal, right?
46:20
Well, or like in the mountains, like would you have one in
46:22
Denver? You know, I've never driven 1
46:26
and I think, you know, that's again, a probably a car that's
46:29
1/3 or 1/4 or 1/5 car, right, Because is it the fastest thing?
46:32
No, I mean there's a you know, it's it's got its lane that
46:36
right, It belongs in and you know, it's it's I don't know if
46:39
that would ever be my go to sports car, but it it was just
46:42
as a tour. I mean, wonderful, right?
46:44
Right. Well.
46:46
Percentage. If you had the ability to have,
46:49
you know, a fleet like, that'd be a fun thing to have in the
46:53
fleet you. Had six cars?
46:55
Sure. What percentage do you think you
46:57
lose of performance being in in Denver?
47:01
Like 2030% on a. Yeah, I forget what the
47:03
algorithm is, right? It's always about the algorithm,
47:05
but I think it's something like is it 2 or 3% for every 1000
47:11
feet you go up from sea level, right?
47:14
Maybe a little bit more. I think 2:00 to 3:00, two to 3%.
47:16
Some engineer out there will, will, will call me out on this.
47:20
So, you know, maybe at home I don't notice it so much.
47:23
A little bit, you know, I've driven my car or you know, the
47:26
equivalent of my car, you know, an Angela's Crest and feels like
47:29
it's got an extra 50 or 100 horsepower.
47:32
But you know, with that smaller engine that would be that would
47:35
that would be tough in the mountains.
47:36
I think, you know, on the grand there are a lot of cars, you
47:39
know, again, this is generally, you know, 1916 earlier cars, but
47:42
there are a lot of cars we just don't allow on because you know,
47:46
they've got to climb 14,000, you know, foot passes or whatever it
47:49
is so. I mean, it's a real
47:51
consideration. This is the same weight as a
47:53
Miata and it's 255 horsepower. So I.
47:59
Enough. I'm not convinced Denver is the
48:01
right market for it. Probably not.
48:03
No, no. So, Ryan, you'll just have to
48:06
leave it at your Malibu house, which is fine, yeah.
48:10
That's true. Yeah.
48:14
I mean, you have, you know, you have the right tool for every
48:17
job and that is a good fit there and then you find some other
48:21
stuff. But but there are people
48:23
listening, and I know they are that have that at their.
48:26
Disposal. Right, multiple homes with, you
48:29
know, the the horse for the course or exactly right.
48:31
And yeah, that would do the trick.
48:33
And if there are people listening and interested there
48:35
is a beta Configurator on the Morgan website.
48:40
So I went and had a look and I think I put one extra on it and
48:43
it was 100120K so. You said a a beater Configurator
48:47
or a beta Configurator. We would call it beta, but beta
48:50
tomato. Tomato, whatever.
48:53
They were still sorting out the ironing out the wrinkles or
48:55
something. Yeah, no.
48:57
No. So it's not production fully
49:00
right, but yeah, 120 K. So that's, you know, that's.
49:04
I mean, that's a that's a Boxster 4.0, right?
49:07
That's right. I mean, that's a or a spider.
49:10
That's a yeah, you know what a Corvette ZR or not ZR1, but ZO6
49:14
right. I mean, that's that's a.
49:16
It's actually pretty accessible compared to like when you
49:19
consider a lot of the stuff we talk about, that's much more
49:21
accessible than I would have expected.
49:24
Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, watch this
49:26
space on that car. Week is shortly upon us and some
49:32
things are new such as last week's show, you know, changing
49:36
of the guard and that was a great show.
49:39
By the way, guys, if if you guys haven't listened to it, who are
49:42
listening today? There's a change in the guard at
49:45
Pebble Beach and I think we got an exclusive right.
49:49
We do. I think so.
49:51
I haven't seen them in any other podcasts as as our friend Lynn
49:53
Woodward would say, how about them apples?
49:55
Right, so I imagine he'll start popping up on other shows now,
49:59
but. I mean, they're going to notice
50:00
that he was on our show. Yeah, he's awesome.
50:03
He's like, he's like our age, you know, and he's like been
50:07
handed the keys to this, this, you know, this thing, you know,
50:10
we know and love and we love, but he's the guy to do it.
50:14
He's he's awesome. Check out on last week's show if
50:18
you haven't listened to it. It was a really great
50:20
conversation and he was, yeah, he was super fun to record with.
50:24
Yeah, new things at Car week, but there's also traditional
50:28
things at car week. And one of the traditional
50:30
things are the auctions. You know, it's, it's usually for
50:34
a lot of the, the auction houses, it's usually their top
50:37
auction. So the 1:00 where they're going
50:39
to make the most money, the one where records are going to be
50:41
broken, you know, it's a big deal.
50:44
So we thought we would have a look at some of the highlights
50:47
and maybe low lights of, of. So we've got a few picks of
50:53
what's going on and, and generally speaking, if you've
50:56
not been to Carwick and you're going this year, you can get a
50:59
pass to go look at these cars at those auction houses.
51:02
If you are credible enough to be a bidder, then they'll let you
51:05
in for free. If not, I think they they charge
51:07
a very small amount for you to go and have a look.
51:09
So first up on the lot and I want you guys to keep your
51:12
paddles down on this one. Don't worry, they wouldn't give
51:17
me one, dear. RM Sotheby and I guess this is a
51:21
tradition for Ferrari, is that when they have a new model, they
51:24
tend to do like chassis 0 for charity.
51:29
I really hope that this sells because it's for charity.
51:32
But it's the very first Ferrari Luche Yeah, this is so who who's
51:39
buying that? And I I've put in the comments,
51:41
is it a rich person looking for a tax write off and wanting to
51:44
save the planet? I.
51:48
Mean I hope that person shows up.
51:52
But there, there's 600,000 I think new, this one is a tailor
51:55
made 1, so it's obviously bespoke, but like how much
51:59
bespoke really is there going to be in that car?
52:01
And then they're advertising it for $1,000,000, yeah.
52:04
What is it? A special colour?
52:06
It's what's, what are we, what are we dealing with?
52:08
What are we working with? Oh, it's white.
52:10
Worst. The worst color for Ferrari,
52:12
generally speaking. That we Well, unless it's a
52:14
testarossa Ryan. That's right, that's right.
52:17
That's how much cocaine is in the dorsals of this luche.
52:21
Not enough is the answer. Value add Yeah, I don't know.
52:26
That's a tough one. I'm I'm sure someone will.
52:28
I mean, you know, $1,000,000 is nothing to some so many of.
52:32
You. Know there's a lot of yeah for
52:35
charity. Somebody you know, some
52:38
magnanimous individual will show up and help.
52:42
Well, didn't think of 1,000,000 bucks for some sort of Corvette
52:45
recently like maybe the 1st ZR1 or something.
52:47
So maybe this isn't so far like the the gulf between sticker and
52:51
Yeah and. Predictions.
52:53
Although I think on the the ZR1 it's a slightly different story
52:58
because I think it's Mr. Hendricks and he collects 01 of
53:01
every GM car and he's got a big joke.
53:05
So, but it could be there could be a Mr. Hendricks for for
53:08
Ferrari, right? Yeah.
53:09
I. Mean it'll always be 000 or
53:11
whatever so. Yeah, I mean, we won't, we won't
53:14
kind of lament this point long term, but like.
53:17
But the new owner sure will. There we go.
53:21
I wonder if this is a car that history is going to be kind to.
53:24
So over the years, there's been various cars that just didn't
53:27
sell when you weren't well received.
53:29
You know, examples I can think of were the E30M3, the E36
53:35
lightweight, the LFA when it came out, they didn't sell, but
53:40
now there's there's a market for it.
53:42
And, and I also think, and this is going to be most
53:44
controversial thing I've said all year, I think the Cyber
53:48
Truck at some point in the future will become a design
53:51
icon. I watched a Harry's Garage video
53:54
with the Bitsarini. Did you guys see that one?
53:56
Yeah. So what interests me on this new
53:59
Bitsarini was it was designed by Fabrizio Gagario of Ital Design.
54:04
Very famous dry designer. He's designed all sorts.
54:09
I know that the guy who penned the Enzo, the Cyber Trek is his
54:15
favorite design and car. That's interesting.
54:17
So, yeah, so that's Ken Okiyama. But Fabrizio turned up in a
54:24
cyber truck. So these famous designers are
54:27
all buying cyber trucks. So we won't limit on this point
54:31
because it's, you know, we're not a big fan or I'm not a big
54:33
fan of that car, but. But your prediction is.
54:38
Funny. Classic.
54:41
It's funny you mentioned 2 middle-aged men because you've
54:43
you've seen the meme going around the Internet right About
54:47
how? Have you ever seen a a a cyber
54:49
truck? A cyber truck pull into a
54:51
parking spot and a family gets out?
54:53
No, it's always 1 middle-aged. Man.
54:57
That's that's the target or that's that's who this thing is
55:00
resonating. It it it's it's non design,
55:03
right. What was that car you had at the
55:05
Peterson Dan that that Demiro drove in one of his?
55:10
The the low res. Yeah, the low res, I mean that
55:13
is this car as production vehicle.
55:16
Yeah. Right.
55:19
I, I, I guess I'd have to look at the numbers to see if they'd
55:22
ever actually be truly collectible, right.
55:24
I know they're, they're only, they've only made a fraction of
55:27
what they were predicting, but that's.
55:30
Interesting. We'll revisit it.
55:31
We'll put this this podcast in a time capsule and revisit it in
55:35
20 years time and and and then we'll note that anyway, let's
55:40
move on to some cool cars because we've done it with the
55:43
electric stuff. Are you?
55:45
Saying the cyber truck isn't cool.
55:47
At the moment, in 20 years time, it will be right McLaren F1 GTR
55:54
and this car is one of two short tailed development prototypes.
55:58
RM again, having this car, I think it's going to be one of
56:01
the biggest hitters of the week. They are quoting 35 million, but
56:06
who knows? This car also belongs to Nick
56:10
Mason of Pink Floyd, so it's got all the pedigree, it's got the
56:15
famous owner, it's got the history. 35 million What are?
56:21
You guys looking? For these.
56:23
Days about 20. There's less than 100 in
56:27
existence, so, but, you know, if you think about it, you've got
56:32
Gordon Murray's legacy. His new cars are fetching stupid
56:37
money. And what I mean by that is he, I
56:39
think they're about 2 million, the 250 and one sold for eight,
56:44
you know, so and it's just supply and demand.
56:47
There aren't any more, but you know, so.
56:49
Why do you think this took a minute to catch on?
56:52
To catch fire? Catch fire is not the word we
56:55
want to use the phrase you want to.
56:56
Check literally and which we're thinking.
57:00
But when those cars were announced, right, I don't think
57:04
that they sold out immediately. There was some marketing going
57:07
on by our friends at GMA. Some we're the recipient of
57:12
those marketing efforts. And, you know, and, and that was
57:16
what two years ago, I remember at Car Week, they, you know,
57:19
they're really pushing them and, and they're already now trading
57:22
for, for four times that. Yeah, that's why I think people
57:26
realize how good a driver's car they are, right?
57:31
And then you. One of the best.
57:33
What else the stable of Gordon Murray is bringing out, right?
57:36
It's a cheap car versus a 20 million car, right?
57:40
They've got 4520 million cars, $20 million cars with the S1 LM.
57:46
I thought you were talking about McLaren F1.
57:47
Sorry, it was. But yeah, so that's going to be
57:52
an interesting one to watch. RM Sotheby's, I hope it gets
57:57
good money. And it's also interesting that
57:59
Nick Mason has decided to sell that car.
58:02
He also owns a 250 GTO, right? So.
58:05
Famously. Yeah, yeah.
58:07
So I wonder why he's decided now is the time to sell the McLaren
58:10
F1. So Nick, if you're listening,
58:13
give us a call. Let us know.
58:15
We'd love to know. We'll help you sell it.
58:18
Yeah, so that's cool. JDM there are two not one but 2
58:25
when I started to do this research for this show, I
58:27
thought, oh, there's a 1 of 44 Nissan Nismo 400R and then I did
58:32
a bit more research and there's actually 2 because broad arrow
58:36
and Gooding both have 10 funny. So it's.
58:41
Just the the NSXR of 2026 it's auctions.
58:45
But they made 400. Sorry 44 of the race inspired
58:50
Rd. cars. Yeah, I don't know much about
58:57
that. Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm just
58:58
not a JDM, big JDM guy. So some of the, you know, some
59:03
of the variants are lost on on me.
59:06
That said, you know, last couple of years at car Week I've really
59:09
started to pay attention to these cars and know a couple
59:12
guys who are local. You have them and they're pretty
59:14
wonderful. They're pretty great, right.
59:16
Even just the the bog standard cars, they're so I don't know,
59:21
this might be, you know, maybe these cars are worth it.
59:23
I I just, you know, again, not for the casual.
59:31
Yeah, the record for a JDM car at auction was a LFA with the
59:37
Nurburg package. Oh yeah.
59:39
And that sold for 1.6. What?
59:42
And that's that's it. That is, that is the but that
59:46
set the bar now that had a certain colour, right?
59:48
Those were painted a certain. They did 2 colours I believe.
59:50
I think it was yellow and black, I might be wrong.
59:52
Definitely yellow. There were some yellow but it
59:55
wasn't unique. Yellow.
59:56
I thought it was for a long time.
59:57
Yeah, they did a a second colour and they had a few more
1:00:00
horsepower and 10 more horsepower, larger rear wing and
1:00:05
there were only 64 of those in the world.
1:00:07
Wow, so. Yeah, well, that helps.
1:00:10
Again, that's a, I remember at the Chicago auto show, you know,
1:00:15
whatever, was it 2012 or whatever, when those came out
1:00:18
and they had a whole row of them and I was so impressed.
1:00:21
You know, Chicago auto shows ten of these.
1:00:25
Well, then it rises. Well, they just just hadn't sold
1:00:29
right at the team. Yeah, I know at the time, you
1:00:31
know, they they didn't really do anything for me.
1:00:34
You know, the exhaust pipes and I don't know, they they just
1:00:37
didn't quite look cohesive. But man, now they look great, I
1:00:41
think. And that I mean that engine, if
1:00:42
you've ever been next to 1, you know, at fire up, they they're
1:00:45
they're a very special thing. So.
1:00:47
There's a car Wow video that's just come out that is the
1:00:50
Carrera GT versus the LFA. Saw that.
1:00:53
Yeah. And I won't spoil it, but that's
1:00:55
two V 10s that make great noises.
1:00:57
So check out that. It's interesting because I think
1:01:00
one of the reasons they've become more of a cult classic is
1:01:03
a certain Mr. Clarkson said. It was the best car he's ever
1:01:06
driven. That helps.
1:01:10
Yeah, he's not an influencer, but he definitely is an
1:01:12
influencer. We did say this is the best car
1:01:15
podcast you'd ever. Heard he said that more than
1:01:17
once, right? So it must be true, yeah.
1:01:21
Pretty cool you. Know, yeah, he said.
1:01:22
I hope those guys don't do a farming podcast because I'm
1:01:25
screwed. That's right, put them out of
1:01:26
business. Yeah, there we go.
1:01:28
Let's go to meet him, Lindsay. A yellow Ferrari F50.
1:01:32
Does that appeal? Actually, yes, yeah.
1:01:37
So I would prefer a red, but I think the yellow is unexpected
1:01:41
and fun. I will accept.
1:01:45
I think you will find because it's 1 of 31, I don't know how
1:01:48
many F 50s they made, obviously a lot less than the F40 and
1:01:53
obviously it's the last manual. You know what was it?
1:01:58
It was every 10 years they did a Halo card, didn't they?
1:02:01
288 F, 40 etcetera. So I think because it's yellow,
1:02:06
it's probably a special colour and it'll probably create more
1:02:08
value. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:10
That's what's a good investment. Yellow looks good on.
1:02:13
Yeah, yes, yeah, it's a hit. Or mix colour.
1:02:16
I remember being at car week one year and driving down the road
1:02:18
and there were four F 50s coming the other way.
1:02:21
Like that doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
1:02:23
About car week. No, Yeah, I have to.
1:02:26
So we've had a couple of people, a couple of friends of ours come
1:02:28
up to us recently and say, you know, I've never been to Car
1:02:31
Week. I just, I don't think it's for
1:02:33
me, you know, This is why this is for you, because you see
1:02:37
things like 4 F 50s, you know, roaring past you because you
1:02:41
don't see that anywhere else. I know I was just thinking about
1:02:44
it today kind of in passing. And I think one of the things
1:02:48
that a lot of people don't realize is like you just said,
1:02:52
Ryan, you can just walk around town.
1:02:54
You don't have to go to any events.
1:02:57
And one of my favorite things has been like the first night in
1:03:00
town, just go walk through Carmel, you see some
1:03:03
unbelievable stuff on the street or just driving to the different
1:03:07
events. Probably 3-2 to three years ago
1:03:11
there was this Armada of the like 6 by 6 G, There were two
1:03:16
six by 6G wagons and one of the the 2 door cabrio.
1:03:21
And then there was another unique one, and they would move
1:03:24
all four of them just around town.
1:03:26
Yeah, Landolay I think was one of.
1:03:27
Them, yes, it was. That's what it was.
1:03:30
And, you know, they're just driving around town.
1:03:34
Yeah, that's crazy. There are there is a bit of a
1:03:36
shake up going on this year at the auctions.
1:03:39
So traditionally Bonhoms have been associated with the quail
1:03:44
and it used to be a bit of an inside baseball thing where you
1:03:47
could actually park at the Bonhoms auction and get into the
1:03:49
quail instead of having to do the the quail car park.
1:03:53
That's now stopped and they have moved Laguna Seca.
1:03:59
So they will be for the first time doing their auction at
1:04:01
Laguna Seca. Obviously they have a a few race
1:04:05
car inspired or race inspired cars.
1:04:08
And the one that called my eye was a in essence, it's an indie
1:04:12
race car. Volstead I'm not sure if I
1:04:16
pronounced that right. Lindsay, I don't know if the
1:04:18
you're the expert on classic American Ford race cars.
1:04:23
I try. Or just say, yeah.
1:04:26
And the reason I I called this one out is that actually it was
1:04:30
Jim Clark's last US race car before the following year he
1:04:35
passed. He raced Dan Gurney in an Eagle
1:04:39
in it. That's cool.
1:04:41
So it's a pretty cool car. And from talking to Gordon
1:04:45
Murray, Gordon said that Jim Clark was the best racer he's
1:04:48
ever seen. And he worked with Senna, Prost,
1:04:51
etcetera. So yeah.
1:04:54
That's pretty special. So.
1:04:57
That's that's first person listeners.
1:04:59
That's that's right. That's Dan just talking with his
1:05:01
mate Gordon. The big Gordon, yes.
1:05:06
So that means that there is a void at the quail that has been
1:05:09
fulfilled by Broad Arrow. So Broad Arrow have now slid
1:05:13
into the quail and their auction will be where, you know, where
1:05:17
the bottoms tent used to be. And as I said earlier, they've
1:05:21
got a 400R, they've got three singers.
1:05:25
Like has the boat now sailed on auction Singers because it's
1:05:30
getting over saturated? Possibly.
1:05:33
I mean, if they have three of them and the same, that's
1:05:36
interesting. Obviously all the singers are so
1:05:38
unique that maybe it doesn't apply in that sense because
1:05:42
they're all so different from each other.
1:05:46
Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, because, you know,
1:05:48
they're, they're fundamentally wonderful creations, right?
1:05:52
So you know, it's not all hype, right?
1:05:54
They're, they're pretty wonderful.
1:05:56
But I, I don't know, you know, I mean, there's, you can only pump
1:05:59
out so many right before things do get saturated.
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And I don't know if like every time I open up LinkedIn, they're
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hiring people. It's, it's like I, I don't think
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they're planning on slowing down anytime soon.
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So maybe they have kind of hit a an inflection point.
1:06:14
Or I think if you wrote back a few years ago, I'm sure that
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you'd look at the auctions of Car Week and there would be like
1:06:20
1 singer. Yeah, right.
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I don't remember there being multiple singers in any auction
1:06:26
house, right? That's a few years ago, right.
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But well. It'll be fun to watch.
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Well, so, so Broad Arrow will be at the quail.
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So then will there be an auction associated with motor looks
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because that's where Broad Arrow has been in?
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The last few years, good question.
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I don't know. Yeah.
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Or has Motor Lux just sort of turned into this thing where,
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you know, I got the impression at least, especially last year,
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there was almost just too much going on in that space, right.
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And so maybe the focus wasn't a lot of distractions right from
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the auction, in my opinion. But you know, I I know Ken on a
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bit, you know, well, you know, he runs broad arrow.
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Maybe we should have him on after car week and and get his,
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his, his taken. Speaking of Mekam, we've got Sam
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Murtagh. He's the the chief operating
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officer of Mekam coming out next week.
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So yeah, car week focus for sure, but I, I'm very curious to
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get both, both his take and Ken's just on because how, how
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the the auctions are evolving, right?
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I mean, decisions like that aren't taken lightly, right?
1:07:30
You don't just decide, oh, I'm going to move venues or
1:07:32
whatever. I mean, this is very deliberate
1:07:34
and and there's got to be a reason for that.
1:07:36
I'm very curious how that all shakes out and why it all shakes
1:07:39
out like it does. So.
1:07:41
Yeah. Well, I mean that there is a
1:07:43
little bit of history amongst these auction houses, right?
1:07:45
Because the Amelia Island got bought by Haggerty.
1:07:49
RM used to have premier spot, right?
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They used to have the best pitch there.
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And then one year, because Haggerty own Broad Arrow,
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Haggerty put RM in that position.
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And that is why we now have Moda down in Miami because RM went
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screw you guys. We'll do our own car event and,
1:08:12
and this is well documented. So it's not like it's inside
1:08:14
knowledge, so. Tell the people it is dude.
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Yeah, only on that car show, tell you. 1.
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But because you can next week you can ask about the yellow F50
1:08:26
because they're they're starting that much many other cars.
1:08:30
As far as you know, is RM at? Is it the Portofino?
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The hotel in Monterey again this year?
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I think so. It's like mixed to the
1:08:36
Conference Center, isn't it? Downtown yeah that's kind of a
1:08:38
special because that's got a completely different vibe right
1:08:41
that's just each and I think that's the neatest thing each
1:08:43
one of these auctions whether it's good and whatever each one
1:08:46
is a completely different vibe right The carbs are a little bit
1:08:49
different it's you know completely different venue so
1:08:53
it's worth checking them all out if you can because you you're
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gonna. Yeah, because they are so
1:08:56
different. It's not like, oh, if you've
1:08:58
seen one, you've seen them all. Like you said, like the
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Portofino has that wonderful outdoor kind of motor court
1:09:04
where they can display them and you know, the other ones have
1:09:07
all it's, it's very different, but cool and it's 1.
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Pro tip, go to the far reaches of these auctions, see what's
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tucked away in the far corners, and you're going to see some of
1:09:17
the most interesting stuff. So nice.
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Yeah, maybe not the prettiest stuff.
1:09:22
Or the. And then Gooding just to round
1:09:24
that off Gooding at it's good and Christy and they, they are
1:09:28
actually on the golf course next to the golf course.
1:09:31
So there's almost like a little village that gets built up
1:09:33
during car week and that's where they're located.
1:09:35
So if you go and watch the car tour, which I think is on the
1:09:40
Thursday, Thursday, you can go into Gooding at that point.
1:09:46
So all the cars that are going to be on the lawn on the Sunday
1:09:48
get go on a rally, basically 17 mile drive.
1:09:53
And that's the prime location for where Gooding are.
1:09:55
So you can go watch the cars leave and then go into Gooding
1:09:58
and have a good look around. Good Thursday itinerary.
1:10:05
Yes, yes. And then check out some of the
1:10:07
houses, right? That's the other thing to go on
1:10:09
the first day, go to the Range Rover house or yeah, the BMW
1:10:13
house. Yeah, should be so lucky.
1:10:15
Right. Yeah, again.
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I can't wait. I'm really looking forward to
1:10:20
it. It's it's now.
1:10:21
I've done it a couple of times. It's under my skin.
1:10:23
It'd be very difficult to not. Yeah.
1:10:26
It's. Well, I think we're at a show,
1:10:30
aren't we? I think so.
1:10:32
Good, good God we are. We're way over an hour.
1:10:34
Time flies when you're having fun.
1:10:36
Well done. Exactly.
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It's. Good to have you back.
1:10:38
I know. Yeah, it's good to be back.
1:10:40
And yeah, it's. Let us know what you think about
1:10:45
the auction cars. Let us know if you're crazy
1:10:47
enough to be bidding on a Ferrari.
1:10:49
Lucci, Maybe we want to unfriend you on LinkedIn.
1:10:55
We want to be making informed decisions around here, right?
1:10:58
Yeah, but yeah, I guess Lindsay, take us out with a phrase that
1:11:02
pays. All right.
1:11:03
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