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#232 - For Azeroth!: “Deep Breath” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Tehran for the Kirin Tor and Dario for calendar.
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  Organists our cars. Not die for the sin Dora for the
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  alliance for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of for Azeroth. I am Of your host.
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  The True Villain Manny and I am joined as always by live sling
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  spells live. How are you doing this week and
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  how has the World of Warcraft been treating you the World of
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  Warcraft has been chewing me up and spitting me back out.
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  That's that's how the World of Warcraft has been treating me
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  this week. I so wrath classic officially
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  launched on Tuesday and I have been struggling struggling to
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  level up mostly being mostly because I have not had nearly as
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  much time this week in order to dedicate to leveling.
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  So yeah, I'm only like I'm I think I'm like 10% away from
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  level 74, as of recording right now.
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  So I have quite quite a ways to go.
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  Probably am not going to be rating in the Weak, but that's
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  okay, that's okay. I don't, we don't we don't need
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  to be writing immediately. I'm not I'm not in one of the
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  world's first guilds so it doesn't, it doesn't particularly
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  matter. And a large portion of our raid
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  team is also in a similar boat to me.
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  We're like we're just kind of like kind of taking it easy a
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  little bit. But yeah, I've had a lot going
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  on this week in real life. So haven't really been able to
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  Dedicate as much time to to the game as I would have liked in
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  this first week of the expansion.
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  But that's okay. That's okay.
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  It's fine. I'm having a lot of fun in the
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  the time that I do get to spend playing the game.
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  I'm having too much fun in fact and yeah.
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  There's a whole lot outside of wow.
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  Classic that has also been grabbing my attention and
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  pulling me away from my leveling spree, which is this, the new
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  beta build, which I've gotten in to test a little bit with Not,
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  not really that extensively but every time there is a new build.
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  I do hop in for a couple of hours and in kind of play around
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  with stuff. But we'll, we'll have plenty of
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  time to talk about all this stuff come in the new build
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  later on in the episode, of course.
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  But Manny, how is the World of Warcraft been treating?
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  You it's being a lot of retail and of course the beta as well.
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  So on retail, having playing with friend of the show shoe
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  boots. It's to get KSM because your
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  boots just like coming back and be like, oh, this is going away.
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  Let's get, let's get that KSM. So we be doing different
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  dungeons there. That's been a lot of fun
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  especially working with like, a full group.
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  Again, we're in previous, I've been plugging through this sort
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  of stuff, season 3 was all, go it going and plugging that.
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  And then we have continued to be doing the Mythic boss.
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  Is on the raid. But the big issue right now is
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  the attendance policy. It is trying to get those 20
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  people at the end of a tear, in a bonus, tear to show up so that
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  we can do that, but we managed to do that.
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  Of course, there was the interruption this week for the
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  launch of classic. Because people did not want to
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  go through the other scary scary boss which was the queue boss.
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  They were yes huge queues going in.
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  The classic and so many people who were going and leveling and
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  got in said, I don't want to log out to go do right?
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  Don't don't make me face that boss again.
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  Not want to do the re clear of the queue boss and that's
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  understandable. So we got some cut-rate time
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  this week Beyond that. I was speaking with another
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  friend of the show multi Al and She was talking about getting
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  the veils Rider title. And for me, I took one look at,
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  it's all the achievements that were required and met
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  achievements that were required. And the fact that it's going
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  away soon. I said, I don't want to put all
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  that time into it, I'm not even going to look, but she said, oh,
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  there's only a few that are really hard.
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  Why don't we check to see what you've got?
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  And it turns out I am a lot. Closer than I thought I was and
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  through the course of my tenacious mounting I've managed
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  to do a lot of the harder ones so it's not going to be as bad
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  as I thought. So that has been something that
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  I've been looking at getting that fail Strider title before
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  that goes away with dragon flight.
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  But speaking of dragon flight, we were also doing some Dungeons
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  and some re testing this week, the raid Was super fun.
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  But I'm going to talk a little bit more about that later in the
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  show. So yeah, it's been a pretty full
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  on World of Warcraft week for me getting touched by all three
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  versions of it though. I wasn't personally playing
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  classic. With that said, we got some huge
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  news this week and you want to take that.
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  We did we, we, we got some Monumental news in that.
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  We got a release date for Dragon flight.
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  If we got, we got an official release date.
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  We don't know. When the pre patch is coming
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  out, that is to be determined, but we did get an official
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  launch date for the expansion itself, which is November 28th
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  with the raid releasing on December 13th, and then doing
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  something a little bit weird. This time in that normally, when
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  they do raid releases the the first Thing to open is normal
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  and heroic, that's the, the standard ever since.
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  We've had normal heroic, Mythic in the game, the standard has
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  been to to have normal and heroic open the first week and
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  then Mythic open the week after they are not doing that this
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  time. They are opening all three all
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  three coordinated I'll say all three coordinated Wings aren't
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  wings but difficulties. Of the of the Raider opening up
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  on the same day, they are all opening up on December 13th.
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  With elif are opening starting the following week on the 20th
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  and I, when I saw that my jaw, hit the floor because I see, I
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  see the, the reasoning behind doing it because they are
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  releasing the The Raid so close to the, to the winter holidays.
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  I feel like that is in an in an attempt to make sure that their
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  employees can have some semblance of a holiday.
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  But that's that's just speculation on my part.
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  They could be genuinely, trying to figure this out, to see if
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  there's a better way to handle the handle world first races,
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  and just the launches of new raid tears in general.
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  I don't know exactly what the what the rationale behind that
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  is. But this is, is still Pretty
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  huge that they've decided to do that.
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  Yeah, I don't want to skip over some of the big news because he
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  dropped a lot of dates there. So November 28 being the release
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  date is is big news. If I had any vacation time
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  before that, it is now used up. But the truth is that I don't
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  think I'm going to be able to get the day off because it was
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  just it was announced a little too close, a little too close to
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  the Days. And so I feel sorry for people
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  in my situation that might like to have taken that time off and
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  are now struggling maybe maybe I might fall sick that day.
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  Who knows? There's a thing going around.
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  I still promise. It's a thing.
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  There's a lot of things going around.
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  I don't think it'll be that hard to feign sickness.
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  Yeah, beyond that. We don't have the pre release
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  date yet. Mmm.
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  I want to know when that is showing up, I guess three weeks
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  ahead of it or maybe for. So let's say, let's say, October
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  25th, is that date? That keeps floating around for
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  pre-release speculation. So maybe that is the date that
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  they're working towards, but then you can delay it a week.
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  That means that there is very little time if I'm already
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  talking about October 25th and by the time you guys are hearing
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  this, This, it will be October 3rd, which means we've got less
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  than a month to get the stuff done, including the veil Strider
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  that I was just talking about which, which really lights a
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  fire under under my butt. And I've been feeling that this
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  week of like, renewed interest because of that.
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  Oh, it's coming, it's coming then.
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  Yeah, you started talking about the raid release, and the
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  release of Mythic along with heroic and normal on, at the
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  same time, is something that Ian had sort of?
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  Predicated when he was having his interview with liquid Max
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  formerly limit. And so it's not as surprising,
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  but it could be like you said that they were already thinking,
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  we're going to be squished right up against the holiday, so we
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  need to do this. But I think in terms of what
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  it's going to do for the rating scene, This is this is going to
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  change things, it used to be that you would go into the raid
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  and you would have a full week to get through all of the heroic
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  bosses go and do Mythic pluses. That would be captain that first
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  week to be equivalent to heroic and come into the raid, pretty
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  much guaranteed having all of a particular Base item level.
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  That's not going to be true for a, for a Mythic.
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  There are going to be running in with Mythic zero level gear.
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  Any kind of professional gear that they're able to scrape
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  together. I suspect professions are going
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  to be absolutely in demand from these race to world first
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  guilds. And this is, especially true in
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  this first tier because you don't have the last tears gear
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  to use. So it is not like they're going
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  to be coming in 15 ish item levels lower from the previous
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  tier. They're going to be coming in
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  with like I said dungeon Blues from myth a Mythic 0 so because
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  Mythic zeros don't reward epics. That means I'm not going to have
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  the best in chance. That means they're not going to
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  have a lot of things that they would normally have and have
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  stockpiled for this week and they're not going to have the
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  Same experience of knowing the fights on heroic and having
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  defeated the fights on heroic. They're going to be going in
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  with just what they've been able to test in the PTR or rather in
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  the beta. So I can expect it to lengthen.
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  The amount of time it's going to take them to get through,
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  they're not going to be able to it.
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  Let's say they do their heroic Are before even stepping into
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  Mythic, that means that when they hit a Mythic boss, they
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  have no recourse to do splits other than Farm through Mythic
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  plus. So Mythic place is going to
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  become far more important in might be that they leave the
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  heroic gear alone and do just Mythic Plus in order to get the
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  item level and then start hitting particular bosses in
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  heroic for their splits. But again, it just means they
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  have far less resources, far less preparedness and if we're
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  worried about it becoming a If you're worried about it becoming
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  a prolonged raid, not quite like SFO was because it's just going
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  to be a matter of limited resources.
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  I'm more worried that each reset is going to matter that much
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  more because they just don't have one in the bag.
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  And I know that's a point of contention for world's first
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  graders in terms of everybody else, I don't think it matters
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  other than your You see any Boe that you might get it on your
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  little heroic run or your little normal run?
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  Nice. A little verse irrespective of
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  the fact that like that, the condescending thing to say,
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  sorry. Yeah, but for the rest of us, it
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  might be worth. So much to throw a little Boe up
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  on the auction house. If you are on a server that has
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  a thriving Mythic Community, because you will make a lot of
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  bank for it, It, it's going to be worth a lot to have very high
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  high level crafting because they will be looking for that.
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  And anybody who is going to be gathering, they're going to be
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  devouring Matt's left, right and Center.
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  So this will be, this will be good for those people who want
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  to take advantage of the knock-on effects.
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  Those who are competing for those materials.
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  This is going to be hard for them.
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  Yeah, yeah for sure. But aside from aside from the
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  raid schedule and and the the shift in doing that, I kind of
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  wanted to talk a little bit about the actual release date
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  itself for the expansion because we we've been in in the Alpha
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  and the beta for a while now and basically we're at a point. they
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  announced they announced last week that they are there at a
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  point with the, at least, with the class design where they're
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  done with iteration for the most part and they've moved shifted
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  into kind of more of the fine-tuning aspect of of like
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  updating talents and and getting the classes to to a point where
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  they want them to be at but there's still there's still a a
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  lot within within the beta itself that Needs a lot more
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  testing and I wanted to talk a little bit about where we feel
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  like the, the expansion is the game itself, is like what state
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  it's in. And to see if, if we think that
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  this expansion is going to be ready by November 28th, or if
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  there are aspects that are going to be ready if there are aspects
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  of That aren't necessarily going to be ready to add.
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  I guess, I guess the first thing, the first thing right out
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  of the gate is what what do you see in the beta right now that
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  you think it has very little chance of not being ready by
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  November 28th, was that a double negative?
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  What do I see in the beta will be ready by November 28.
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  Yes. Okay.
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  Sorry. I Not parts to that.
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  Well, okay. I think that in general.
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  Most everything is going to be in a playable enjoyable form.
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  When the game releases on November 28, okay, this is not a
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  matter of is something going to be so broken.
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  That players aren't going to be able to play it at all or enjoy
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  it at all. When you said that they are.
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  Fine tuning class, balances in this very build, we had a lot of
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  sweeping changes to balance Druids and their tree, so they
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  are still putting in heavy changes where necessary that
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  goes with our conversation that we had last week where I said,
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  you know what? When I read through it all, when
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  I took a moment, there's a lot of nuance there.
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  They aren't saying that they're done with everything.
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  In terms of tree class trees, they are still addressing Seeing
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  major issues and the balance tree was the prime example, they
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  did a bunch of changes partway through testing this week, it
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  was literally a server reset saying.
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  Yeah, balance Druids are getting way too much.
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  Love from a loon. We're resetting the server and
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  cutting and cutting some of those values back and we saw
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  quick hotfix in the middle of re testing that bought brought
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  balance Druids closer into line. But I think that's where the
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  energy really needs to be to get everything into balance, so that
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  we don't have these far outstanding specs or
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  combinations thereof. We saw monks doing quite well
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  while testing. They need to not be reiterated
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  upon but they did receive some iteration They do need to have
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  their balance checked to make sure that while being strong, I
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  don't want to have poor wind, wind Walker's, be trashed again
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  that they're not like outlandishly above everything
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  else. And that's and so there.
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  They are right? They should be working towards
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  tuning. One thing that we often fail to
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  comprehend is that what we are playing?
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  Even on the beta is a couple of builds behind what they are
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  testing internally, when they commit a build, those may be
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  filled with half half imagined ideas, thoughts that they may
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  have tested upon but they weren't quite Right, ready on.
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  But the snapshot that we get includes that and we only get a
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  partial story and that's going to be something that's going to
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  have to be reminded. I'm going to have to remind
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  myself. And I will remind the audience
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  when I can all of that. Because when we're looking at
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  these numbers and such, there are still some red herrings that
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  are out there. So what do I think is going to
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  be ready for the launch? I think that the classes are
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  going to be ready that the leveling experience It is going
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  to be ready and that might be comforting to some but I still
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  remember the initial launch of shadowlands leveling was
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  amazing. Everybody.
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  Loved the story in our new wheel.
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  Everybody the love that leveling experience.
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  That was never an issue. It was what were we doing?
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  Once we finish the leveling, when we got into the main
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  endgame, and that's where Some of the the issues lie.
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  It's like, okay, it looks like professions are going to be
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  carrying the day. I think professions will be
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  okay. It looks like we're going to be
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  doing World quests again. And I have been looking around
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  to see what those World quest are like, are they going to be
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  like, shadowlands World quests where it's so long and annoying
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  that I hate doing World quests and try and avoid them as much
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  as possible. It's going to be closer to
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  Legion where I can do it. World quest and be happy about
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  it. Like what's my day-to-day play
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  going to be. That's and I have not seen
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  really much focus on that or that testing, but that's why.
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  When I look back and I see what they've been testing, they shut
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  down the the elemental storms because they want people to be
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  testing the end game before that shows up in season 1 and season.
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  One, clear. Ali is going to be a week into
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  the expansion so it's going to be a small window but it is the
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  underlying stuff that's going to be there.
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  That's what I kind of want to focus on and see them adjust I I
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  really want to take a level 70 character that's not undeveloped
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  Dragon server so I can leave the major cities of storming in
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  Orgrimmar and actually test World quest and actually see
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  what these rares are like and If I, if I like leave the main
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  city, am I entertained? I don't have to farm AP.
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  I don't have to go around and get rep grinds.
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  So what's pushing me forward? And that's the renowned system,
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  which is quasi rep with a new car, with a new coat of paint.
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  And I want to make sure that that is interesting, fun, not
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  super gated. That's what I want to test.
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  That's I'm most worried about which kind of leads into the
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  next question, which for you. What do you think is going to be
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  ready, though? I think I think classes are
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  going to be solid. I think the the talent overhaul,
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  the the redesign of all the classes from the talent,
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  overhaul I think that's all in a pretty solid place.
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  There are many people within each each classes Has individual
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  communities. That have several issues with
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  with some of the things that are, that are coming out.
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  I think one of the biggest, one of the biggest things that I've
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  seen being discussed, is this idea that the, like, with this
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  new Talent system that the class is feel Unwhole.
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  Incomplete, if you will that you kind of have to go through and
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  pick a whole bunch of active abilities within the talent
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  trees, in order to make them feel like you have enough to
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  enough buttons to press. But I disagree with that on, in
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  some cases, agree with it and others.
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  But for the most part, like there are a lot of places where
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  the, the class is just feel like they're in in a really good
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  spot. And of course, of course,
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  there's there's always going to be things that can be adjusted.
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  Like, this isn't this isn't a perfect game.
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  It's never going to be a perfect game, but we can third the the
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  Team can work towards making sure that things are the best
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  that they can be. So I think, I think very much
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  the class design is going to be in a state where they can say,
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  this is the best it can be and that's okay.
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  Even. Okay.
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  Sorry I have heard that. Issue complained about talents
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  that you have to spend points just to get things that should
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  be quote, unquote, Baseline is one way.
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  I've described I've heard it described can You're playing
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  classic right now. That's your, that's your jam.
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  Is that not how they were back in classic, where you would get
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  some more points and then get an ability out of that and you
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  would be spending points to get down to this cool ability.
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  That was there, was that not? That is exactly the case that is
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  how it works. In classic, you don't get storm
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  strike until you're like level 42.
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  Just because of the way that the talents work out our 41 rather.
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  But but yeah, that's that's how a talents work back in the day
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  like you, you had your base base line tool kit.
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  That was like, you had, you had your shocks, you had your
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  lightning bolt, you had your chain lightning and I'm talking
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  about Shaman for this because that's the class that I'm
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  playing in classic. So you had, you had those
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  abilities, you had like all your like main utility stuff.
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  Your water walking, you had your, your Purge or interrupt.
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  Like all of that is, is all stuff that is just like Baseline
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  baked into the class and then for each of the three
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  specializations for Elemental, you get lava burst.
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  And then for restoration, you get Riptide, and then for
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  enhancement you get actually to abilities, which is Storm
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  strike. And you get your Throw Spears.
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  So there are, there are things that aren't included in the base
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  class that you have to tell it into if you want to get them.
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  And those those main talents lay albeit, all of those talents are
• 27:38
  at basically at choke points in the talent trees, where that's
• 27:41
  the only thing that row that you're really getting is that.
• 27:44
  And then, if there are any other talents on that row, it's
• 27:47
  something that augments that ability that you have to take
• 27:52
  that ability in order to to get to them.
• 27:55
  So this this idea that that talents shouldn't necessarily
• 28:01
  include things or abilities buttons to press, For the
• 28:08
  specialization that you're playing ad based off of the the
• 28:11
  way, the talents worked back in the day I think is kind of, kind
• 28:17
  of not great because it's always been there.
• 28:21
  I think it's a holdover from what you've experienced with The
• 28:25
  Mists of Pandaria era talents where yeah, everything was just
• 28:30
  baked in and talents and therefore it when we had those I
• 28:34
  felt that talents were meant to be Additive or transformative of
• 28:41
  a already. Existing ability, not baked in
• 28:44
  abilities, but when you have all of these talents, you are, you
• 28:48
  have the choice of which abilities you're going to
• 28:52
  express in which abilities are going to ignore, which means
• 28:55
  that you cannot have everything. You are going to be spending
• 28:58
  some points that. Are you use?
• 29:00
  Because you feel are core to your play style.
• 29:03
  But I think there is something Credibly powerful and
• 29:09
  interesting about doing a build that might forsake something
• 29:13
  that might otherwise be considered core.
• 29:15
  Like you could, in theory do an enhancement shopping bill
• 29:19
  because you are talking about enhance.
• 29:21
  Which omits for this this example and I know it can have
• 29:24
  such almonds, you could do a tree that doesn't have any lava
• 29:29
  Ash, doesn't build upon lava lash at all and have storm
• 29:33
  strike windfury and just dumps all the points of can Into storm
• 29:37
  strike. You could flip it around and
• 29:40
  have a build that doesn't have any windfury weapon.
• 29:45
  And instead tries to use all the other ways of generating
• 29:52
  Maelstrom in order to have a very a less spiky more sustained
• 30:00
  damage profile, And it's going to be interesting but I am going
• 30:05
  to come back to what abilities you may or may not have in a
• 30:09
  later part of this conversation, but going with what you were
• 30:13
  talking about, you're right. There are going to be outliers
• 30:17
  or going to be some things that aren't addressed in time and so
• 30:22
  when release comes, we're not going to have every tree being
• 30:30
  quote, unquote, perfect. Even ignoring that perfect ideal
• 30:35
  that we would want, there are going to be problems like real
• 30:38
  problems in the tree for some specs.
• 30:43
  And I think in that way I hope that blizzard doesn't say well,
• 30:49
  it's there because we don't want to change it.
• 30:51
  It during the middle of a patch, we're going to leave it till the
• 30:55
  point one patch. And I think that that would be a
• 30:59
  huge disservice. I hope that Like we said last
• 31:02
  week, they are constantly iterating on this.
• 31:05
  If a talent is in a bad position, I don't want to call
• 31:10
  it malfeasance to leave it in a bad position, but I think that
• 31:14
  it should be addressed before we get stuck in entire how long do
• 31:25
  raids last? Like, six months, six months of
• 31:27
  a just an absolutely broken garbage Talent OR set of Let's
• 31:32
  or interaction there of, I hope they do address the address.
• 31:36
  Those constantly are tooting these anytime, especially since
• 31:41
  we don't have the normal heroic week, which is usually a big
• 31:44
  time that they took to do these sort of adjustment.
• 31:47
  So, it looks like this particular spec is playing is
• 31:53
  playing too well. We're going to rein them in, for
• 31:55
  the Mythic Mythic week and then wherever they land, they're
• 31:59
  going to be stuck with for the rest of the tier.
• 32:01
  I hope. That that's no longer the case.
• 32:04
  Yeah, yeah me as well me as well.
• 32:07
  But in terms of the the entire rest of the game outside of like
• 32:11
  classes which is what will actually be interacting with in
• 32:16
  the world, I think I think I'm in the same boat as you that I
• 32:19
  don't think. I just want to see more testing
• 32:25
  on on the endgame day-to-day stuff because I haven't seen a
• 32:32
  whole lot of it outside of their bringing World quest back and
• 32:36
  there is going to be an indie game level 70 Zone that will
• 32:40
  have stuff that I don't think we've actually seen what that
• 32:43
  zone entails like what the activities are to do in that
• 32:47
  zone level 70 zone for the that's, Is there again?
• 32:56
  I'm blanking. I apologize.
• 32:58
  I want to say, I want to say. It's where Val dragon is.
• 33:03
  Like the city of Elder Eric and I think it's in that zone but
• 33:08
  I'm not, I'm not entirely certain.
• 33:09
  I just I remember, I remember they're saying that there is
• 33:15
  going to be a level 70 Zone, that's kind of like Where the
• 33:20
  the difficult enemies are going to be.
• 33:26
  I'm also blanking on which zone that is.
• 33:31
  Well, let's see, the waking Shores is the first Zone that
• 33:37
  you go through. Then you go into the owner and
• 33:41
  planes go through to the Azure span.
• 33:46
  Valder Asus is the fourth Zone and fell drastically, is where
• 33:51
  veldt can is, and then the Forbidden reach, I guess the
• 33:55
  Initial starting zone where the where the Evoque errs come from
• 34:01
  then I guess we would go back there as a level cap Zone.
• 34:11
  Maybe I believe that was what it was.
• 34:16
  Because the Forbidden reaches, like, off of the main part of
• 34:20
  the island that is where the focus first come up.
• 34:23
  So you sort of see it for a little bit in the staged.
• 34:29
  Like instance version and then we haven't gone back there in
• 34:33
  terms of testing. So I would think that that's
• 34:36
  what you're speaking of. And I think you're right, we
• 34:38
  haven't really gone back there for testing.
• 34:44
  Since. So I'd love to know what the
• 34:49
  what's going on over there. Yeah.
• 34:54
  Yeah. Is that like the the day-to-day
• 34:59
  The day-to-day gameplay is vitally important to the
• 35:06
  longevity of any expansion because really, really, and
• 35:10
  truthfully, like, whatever whatever new patch comes out.
• 35:13
  Like, that's going to inject some more, some more story Into
• 35:17
  the game, there's going to be new things to do with each patch
• 35:20
  but the, the first patch kind of sets the Baseline, because most
• 35:25
  of what they put in for in-game Content, engaging.
• 35:29
  Open world content, I should say stays in throughout the entire
• 35:33
  expansion. And they did the did kind of a
• 35:37
  good job with it and shadowlands where they put enough stuff in
• 35:42
  that, you felt like you had things that you could work on
• 35:45
  throughout the entire expansion in open world content, but it
• 35:50
  kind of was too much. And I want to know, I want to
• 35:54
  know like what the, what the balance there is like, if
• 35:57
  they're thinking about that, if the thinking about, like,
• 36:00
  putting too much in an overwhelming players, if they
• 36:02
  thinking about things, Thing about that on that level and are
• 36:10
  working to implement those things for the endgame
• 36:13
  open-world content in a similar way because we just haven't seen
• 36:19
  much about what we're going to be doing out in the world other
• 36:23
  than professions which Speaking of professions I think that's
• 36:26
  another thing that's going to be in a very good spot going into
• 36:31
  into the into the launch of this expansion.
• 36:35
  If they've done pretty, extensive testing on it and have
• 36:38
  made adjustments throughout the entirety of the, of the beta
• 36:42
  cycle. And the Alpha cycle for, that
• 36:44
  matter, to two professions. And I think that that, which is
• 36:50
  something that I said from the outset whenever whenever they
• 36:53
  announced that they were doing this big overhaul of of
• 36:57
  professions in this expansion is that I would like for that to be
• 37:01
  something that is a little bit more fleshed out than it has
• 37:03
  been in previous previous. Expansions because in game for a
• 37:07
  lot of people with regard to professions has just been a mode
• 37:12
  of gaining gold, like they just use professions to make gold and
• 37:18
  that still, that's still the case.
• 37:20
  Like that still is very much the case in dragonflight but there's
• 37:25
  so much more depth to it. Now, other than just okay you've
• 37:28
  hit rank 300 in alchemy you can make all the potions now.
• 37:35
  Have fun. And go forth and make gold with
• 37:39
  it. And I think that's the kind of
• 37:43
  epiphany moment that I'm having which is we hit level cap and
• 37:50
  everybody goes. Okay, what do I have to do?
• 37:53
  What dungeons do I have to run? What quest chain do I have to do
• 37:59
  in order to unlock my Covenant start building up, my building
• 38:04
  up, my soul binds, grabbing all the These.
• 38:07
  These conduits like what we're do I need to get my memory for
• 38:12
  my legendary. The entire shopping list of
• 38:15
  these are the chores. I need to do in order to be
• 38:18
  quote unquote viable for raid. And maybe hear me out, guys.
• 38:26
  Maybe we start doing stuff because we want to because
• 38:32
  they're enjoyable because hey, there's this cool story line
• 38:37
  over here. Okay?
• 38:38
  What item level does, that reward.
• 38:40
  Here's the trick son. It doesn't, you do it?
• 38:44
  Because it's cool, you do it because there is this really
• 38:49
  nice little Easter egg story there.
• 38:51
  Oh well I don't have time this week.
• 38:54
  Great. We'll see you a trade.
• 38:56
  No pressure. Maybe you go around and you do
• 39:00
  dragon riding and you collect all the different upgrades
• 39:05
  because you find dragon writing fun, maybe you dive head deep
• 39:11
  into professions because you were, he's wanted them to be
• 39:13
  interesting and you don't have to do 20 different things to be
• 39:17
  rage. Ready.
• 39:18
  So you have the time to put into the professions or Or maybe.
• 39:23
  Maybe you log out, touch some grass and you go back to the
• 39:30
  raid and your friends aren't looking at your item level be
• 39:34
  like, jeez, what have you been doing live?
• 39:38
  And if that's the case, this might be, not only at least
• 39:43
  arduous leveling up experience and raid rating experience
• 39:49
  getting ready for rate experience.
• 39:51
  This might be the most alt friendly.
• 39:53
  That wow has been in a long time.
• 39:56
  Yeah, yeah. And that's the hope, I think,
• 40:00
  for a lot of players Myself included, I like notorious
• 40:08
  notorious alcoholic here. I have several alts and I don't
• 40:13
  I don't necessarily want to have like an army of characters that
• 40:16
  I can just like jump into a radon but it would be, it'd be
• 40:20
  nice. It'd be it'd be nice to be able
• 40:24
  to jump in on, on a character that I just hit level 70 on.
• 40:34
  It's like, The week before and did like just like smashed out a
• 40:38
  bunch of Mythic plus and and you know, had my professions going
• 40:43
  on on my main character before then and was able to get a
• 40:47
  couple of pieces constructed for that character like that'd be
• 40:50
  great and be fantastic. But you know we can only hope we
• 40:57
  can only hope that that's going to be that's going to be the
• 40:59
  case of that that kind of like mode shifting that character
• 41:03
  shifting is possible. This expansion but again, we
• 41:10
  just need to see. We just need to see more of the
• 41:12
  in-game and see, like, what is, what is going to be not
• 41:18
  required. But what amount of work, it will
• 41:23
  take in order to spin a character up to have it to have
• 41:27
  it ready to be comfortable with bringing a character into into a
• 41:32
  raid setting or any in the game environment.
• 41:35
  Moment for that matter. So we'll have to see.
• 41:40
  Yeah but I think overall overall the expansion is looking like it
• 41:45
  is going to be in a, in a playable, not broken spot which
• 41:52
  is but I think the real question that came out of this is, do you
• 41:56
  think it's going to be enjoyable?
• 41:59
  I think so. I think so.
• 42:01
  I think there's enough there is enough there.
• 42:03
  Even even like not thinking so much about the end game.
• 42:08
  I think that there is enough within the zones.
• 42:10
  I think Dragon rating is going to be a huge component of the
• 42:14
  amount of fun that is derived from this expansion.
• 42:18
  I think, I think just playing around with classes is going to
• 42:22
  have a huge chunk of time dedicated to it for me
• 42:27
  personally, there is there's a whole Whole bunch of stuff to do
• 42:31
  that. We already know in game right
• 42:35
  now currently and there's a whole bunch to explore the whole
• 42:41
  bunch to find out about So on that note I think that it is
• 42:48
  still going to be a very enjoyable experience for for a
• 42:52
  lot of players. Yeah, I think the biggest thing
• 42:57
  that I have realized with the endgame is that nothing is
• 43:03
  mandatory towards it. You can not devote all the time
• 43:08
  to Dragon riding. It might hamper you if you're
• 43:11
  trying to do Gathering. In the dragon Isles not to have
• 43:15
  like capped out Dragon riding, but it's not going to stop you.
• 43:20
  You can do World quest, and of course, being able to fly faster
• 43:24
  and run around the track and Isles, more easily is going to
• 43:26
  help you. So Dragon riding seems like the
• 43:29
  most forced upon players but it is something that you can
• 43:36
  actually opt out of and just be like, I'm just going to take
• 43:38
  flight routes and I'm going to gather stuff over here and that
• 43:42
  sort of stuff. So, In terms of rating, I do not
• 43:46
  think that even Dragon riding is mandatory, we'll see about
• 43:52
  Mythic plus with that with that offensive in the fact that you
• 43:55
  Dragon ride around there. Want to know how much you need
• 44:00
  to master for that. But again, this is this is where
• 44:04
  my thoughts are now for testing. But if I had to recommend Dragon
• 44:11
  fight to the disaffected friends that I have had that have
• 44:15
  dropped out of wow, I think I can safely do that now and say
• 44:19
  yeah, it's worth putting your money down and and giving it a
• 44:22
  try. Yeah, just just from Dragon
• 44:24
  inflate or just from dragon writing alone.
• 44:28
  I think, I think that's like a pretty pretty massive thing.
• 44:33
  But of course, with all of this, all of the, all of the feedback
• 44:37
  and everything is is something That that blizzard is looking
• 44:42
  for, in a tremendous way. They have been really ramping up
• 44:48
  the the rate in which they are bringing people into the Beta.
• 44:54
  And speaking of the beta, We have a little giveaway to
• 44:58
  announce we have we got our hands on a whole bunch of dragon
• 45:04
  flight beta keys to give away to you guys our audience.
• 45:08
  So if you would like to do that, there's a couple of things that
• 45:13
  you can do. We're gonna be running a contest
• 45:15
  on our Twitter so you'll need to follow us on Twitter at Faz
• 45:19
  podcast. We are going to be making a
• 45:23
  tweet announcing this giveaway. That would we will Be running.
• 45:26
  It'll be pinned to the top of our page.
• 45:28
  So all you have to do is go to twitter.com slash bad, pads
• 45:31
  podcast, and you should be able to pretty easily find it.
• 45:35
  So, what you need to do to enter, this is follow us on that
• 45:41
  account. Follow us on Fast podcast.
• 45:43
  Take a screenshot of your character with your favorite
• 45:47
  dragon in the game and reply to that tweet, with the screenshot,
• 45:53
  and the name of the dragon, and the name of the The zone that
• 45:57
  you can find it in. So if it's an open world zone or
• 45:59
  if it's an instant Zone, just make sure we know where it is
• 46:03
  and then every day for the next week or so at 3 p.m.
• 46:10
  Pacific, we will be choosing a handful of winners from the
• 46:15
  replies that we get to that tweet.
• 46:19
  And the only other thing is that, if you're chosen, you'll
• 46:21
  have 24 hours to respond to us. Let us know that you have
• 46:24
  claimed the key. If you are chosen for for this
• 46:28
  contest, if we do not hear from you in that 24 hours, we will be
• 46:33
  awarding the key to another random eligible injury.
• 46:37
  So do that if you would like to get your hands on a dragon
• 46:42
  flight Beta key and hopefully we'll be seeing you in the beta.
• 46:46
  Very soon. Okay, so with that said, we have
• 46:51
  got a new build for people to test and hopefully for those
• 46:55
  winners to test the new build includes a lot of small changes
• 47:01
  as they've been iterating and adjusting things.
• 47:05
  One of the changes that seem to came out of nowhere, was red
• 47:08
  sickness has been changed, so it's no longer going to be 10
• 47:11
  minutes. It's only going to be a single
• 47:14
  one minute. Where you will be dealt with the
• 47:19
  resurrection sickness. But instead of having a 10%
• 47:24
  durability change, the durability change has been fifty
• 47:29
  percent. So this is pretty Stark.
• 47:33
  I'm not entirely sure. Why people were why they were
• 47:36
  looking at it but I think I think it's a good change.
• 47:43
  I don't know. It used to be.
• 47:45
  Oh I apologize. It used to be too.
• 47:49
  That all of ills would suffer 25% durability loss.
• 47:54
  Now it's 50% where characters, 10 or below only tougher to 10%
• 48:00
  durability loss. My apologies.
• 48:03
  But now they're doubling that durability lost to 50%
• 48:06
  durability loss. And then instead of it being ten
• 48:09
  minutes, you're only there with the sickness for one minute, I
• 48:13
  think. When I had to take rest sickness
• 48:17
  for some reason, that was kind of the end of my play session.
• 48:22
  I didn't have 10 minutes to sit around waiting before I did
• 48:24
  something else. So I kind of logged off and
• 48:26
  maybe that's what they were seeing and decided to make this
• 48:29
  change. Sure.
• 48:30
  I'll pay more gold to fix my gear and I guess that is kind of
• 48:36
  a gold sink in a way to do then be paying to fix the fix the
• 48:42
  gear. But yeah, this this came out of
• 48:46
  nowhere. Yeah, completely completely out
• 48:49
  of left field. Like okay, cool.
• 48:51
  Return to resurrect resurrected and sickness neat, cool and
• 48:55
  good. I have no problems with this
• 48:57
  change at all. I'd same boat.
• 49:00
  Like if I needed to take red, cygnus I was just like okay well
• 49:03
  I guess I'm just going to go like run auctions on an altar
• 49:06
  something or just get off. Yeah that that was it was like
• 49:10
  oh well this was kind of what I was planning to do today so I
• 49:13
  guess I'm not. I'll come back later or maybe
• 49:16
  another day. The new Talent system has had
• 49:22
  the starter builds added for pretty much all the spec
• 49:27
  specializations. Now you can test that that out I
• 49:31
  was looking at it with Affliction because that's
• 49:34
  something I'm new to it definitely gives you a taster of
• 49:39
  things but you can think of better.
• 49:44
  Better Talent choices as you become more accustomed to the
• 49:47
  speck? But I am glad that they exist.
• 49:50
  I'm glad that it's there to sort of take you along and be like,
• 49:54
  pick this one next. Here's the next one, we
• 49:56
  recommend. Here's a next one.
• 49:57
  We recommend and guide people in that way.
• 50:02
  So that we won't get too many people who run into a dungeon
• 50:07
  with zero interrupts or some things that we might otherwise
• 50:12
  consider cord a classes. Yeah.
• 50:16
  But talking about utility, that's the next change, right?
• 50:20
  The dykes change is a whole bunch of utility changes.
• 50:24
  They made, they said, in this build, we have a few changes to
• 50:29
  various utility themed abilities across multiple talent trees.
• 50:32
  Based on play testing feedback we've identified a number of
• 50:36
  such talents or abilities that we feel need to be changed due
• 50:39
  to their power level requirements on group
• 50:41
  composition or design Clarity in a few cases.
• 50:45
  These changes are a reduction in power but we feel they are
• 50:48
  necessary to ensure a challenging gameplay experience
• 50:51
  in Dragon flight. In addition to the changes below
• 50:54
  were also taking a second look at Restless crew for Outlaw
• 50:58
  Rogues and the scope of demon Hunters crowd control
• 51:01
  capabilities of Available in the new talent trees for Havoc demon
• 51:04
  Hunters. We are specifically, discussing
• 51:06
  the availability for crowd control such as Casanova, Sigil
• 51:09
  of misery, Sigil of Silence, that contributes to a large
• 51:14
  amount of control for one character.
• 51:16
  We do not have any additional information to share at this
• 51:18
  time. We wanted to give the community
• 51:20
  a heads up that these are two items that are on our radar.
• 51:23
  So, a couple of notable things Druid Mark of the wild being
• 51:28
  redesigned to, to just give a 3% for Totally buff for 60 minutes
• 51:36
  that get a little bit disappointing, but I understand
• 51:40
  they wanted to make sure that it's not mandatory to have any
• 51:43
  specific Class come in. Although everyone's still
• 51:48
  probably going to want to Drew it because Druids are just
• 51:51
  powerful. They've always been powerful in
• 51:54
  certain regards and this is not going to be a not going to be a
• 51:58
  change that that I think is going.
• 52:02
  To be super impactful but we'll see volkers.
• 52:08
  They've redesigned Zephyr know which now no longer is limited
• 52:13
  to your party. So now it's you and for nearest
• 52:18
  allies within 20 yards and also they've changed a few things in
• 52:23
  xiamen to be along the same lines.
• 52:26
  Mana spring totem in particular no longer limited to your party.
• 52:32
  Cool down removed and last two minutes now but it now affects
• 52:35
  you and for nearest allies prioritizing healers before
• 52:38
  other specializations and triggers off of your main
• 52:44
  ability. So for for elemental shaman will
• 52:48
  be Lava burst for enhancement. It'll be storm strike.
• 52:51
  And for for restoration it will be Riptide and lava burst, I
• 52:56
  think. If I'm remembering correctly.
• 52:59
  But either way that is that is a pretty notable change for for
• 53:05
  shamans in general that Mana spring totem is going to be
• 53:08
  something that is very highly sought after and you'll have to
• 53:13
  do a lot more thinking about where your totem placement is,
• 53:17
  and who is around your totems and who is able to benefit the
• 53:22
  most from your totems because I can, I can already tell you,
• 53:28
  Arcane Mages are going to be real friendly with you if you're
• 53:32
  playing a shaman. For sure, they're going to be
• 53:35
  extremely friendly with you so we'll see.
• 53:38
  We'll see how that works out. And let's see Hunters Hunters.
• 53:45
  Got a little bit of a change. They have a talent called
• 53:50
  Sentinels protection, which has been redesigned to no longer
• 53:55
  reduce magic damage now. Only grants by percent bleach to
• 53:58
  your party members monk has had a talent Old clothes too close
• 54:05
  to Heart redesigned you and your allies within 10 yards and
• 54:09
  increased healing taken from all sources.
• 54:13
  Just pretty good. Paladin's blessing of spell
• 54:18
  wording is now a protection Paladin, only Talent located on
• 54:23
  a choice node with improved, Ardent Defender.
• 54:29
  I don't really have any particularly strong feelings
• 54:31
  about that, one, way or the other.
• 54:32
  That's kind of always been kind of been like a tank thing
• 54:36
  anyway, so that to me makes sense as a change to do that.
• 54:46
  I don't really, I don't really see any particularly strong need
• 54:51
  for for that, although the implications of blessing was
• 54:54
  about wording for Holy and retribution paladins, I Think
• 54:59
  leached a little bit too, too hard in the utility capability
• 55:04
  for paladins in in PvP content. So I think that's that's the
• 55:09
  reason that that was changed as some more Shaman changes, where
• 55:16
  that tranquil air totem, is also no longer limited to your party.
• 55:22
  It's for nearest allies and yourself prioritizing healers
• 55:25
  and casters before other specializations.
• 55:27
  Stoneskin. Similarly, And I do, I do want
• 55:33
  to make a note on this design choice that they've made.
• 55:37
  This is, this is to make it to where you don't have to think,
• 55:43
  as hard about the actual party composition.
• 55:47
  Like, if you go into into the, The Raid tab, where you can move
• 55:54
  move, characters from from party to party, and make sure that at
• 56:00
  that that like because for enhancement champagne diamonds
• 56:03
  in shadowlands currently in order for four characters to
• 56:09
  benefit from your windfury totem, You have to be in the
• 56:14
  same party, they've removed that, you don't have to worry
• 56:17
  about where your, where your characters are placed within the
• 56:22
  raid in in the same party anymore, which is a good thing.
• 56:27
  It's a good thing, but it does make you think about where you
• 56:30
  are physically in the space and there are there are implications
• 56:39
  for that that now with with enhancement shamans, if you do
• 56:43
  happen to have an Arcane Mage in your party or in your bed team,
• 56:49
  you're going to want to make sure that or that Arcane Mages
• 56:52
  going to want to make sure that they are close enough that they
• 56:56
  can trigger the benefit from it. And there the I feel like
• 57:02
  there's going to be a little bit of a little bit of a design
• 57:06
  discussion around that. And I'm interested to see how
• 57:12
  they handle it, but speaking of well before you move on sure,
• 57:19
  one thing is that windfury isn't part of the changes that they've
• 57:23
  made here. So the for closest allies and
• 57:27
  yourself doesn't apply to windfury, you're still going to
• 57:29
  have windfury groups unless they make a future change though.
• 57:33
  They haven't mentioned that yet. So there's still going to be the
• 57:36
  one windfury group. The other thing about Mana
• 57:39
  spring totem, We did some testing, people may have seen
• 57:42
  the tweet that I put out. Doesn't have a cool down but the
• 57:45
  manner that it Rue that it provides is actually quite low.
• 57:50
  So the Arcane Mage isn't going to particularly Clear Care.
• 57:54
  They will burn through that man away fast, which kind of begs.
• 57:59
  The question about these utility totems, they are using up G CDs.
• 58:07
  That may matter for an Enhancement Shaman or a DPS
• 58:14
  Shaman. So if your Elemental, if your
• 58:16
  enhance, it may matter to you especially with enhanced being
• 58:20
  close to the gcd locked. And so they've made some changes
• 58:26
  to our good. The fact that the man is spring
• 58:28
  totem is two minutes means that you're not going to be rotation
• 58:31
  like throwing it down every 30 seconds like in its previous
• 58:33
  iteration, but one of the things that blizzard was looking for
• 58:39
  where these moments to shine and if Mana spring totem, doesn't
• 58:47
  provide really any benefit of note.
• 58:53
  Are you really getting a moment to shine?
• 58:55
  Innervate is a good one to look against innovate is something
• 58:58
  that he lives, we'll call out for will give them a bit of time
• 59:03
  with basically kick Claire casting, so they can cast as
• 59:07
  much as they want without draining their Mana pool or they
• 59:10
  could be, umm, and still be able to contribute for just that
• 59:13
  little bit longer. While the innovate is going.
• 59:15
  So, innovate has that sort of thing, it doesn't matter.
• 59:20
  That it's not giving Mana it allows you to stop draining,
• 59:23
  your Mana allows you to continue.
• 59:25
  Even when you have them Anna from, what I was told by by
• 59:31
  people who are more more about numbers than I am.
• 59:36
  The time that it takes to get some chain.
• 59:41
  He'll cast out of a man of spring totem, is roughly seven
• 59:45
  minutes for an elemental shaman. So the fights over before they
• 59:48
  you give them enough man. To actually do one cast.
• 59:53
  Now, you have to also understand that this is giving man into
• 59:56
  five different people yourself and for others, so it's not, it
• 1:00:03
  doesn't need to be that. Just one person is able to cast,
• 1:00:06
  but it does considering you the Hoops that you need to go
• 1:00:09
  through to drop the totem and then do the triggering ability.
• 1:00:15
  It should be tuned up, it needs, it needs some adjustment, so
• 1:00:19
  that That. Yeah, the Arcane Mage may
• 1:00:21
  actually care if you drop this totem, but as it is right now,
• 1:00:25
  it feels like a waste of a point when I think that wind or doing
• 1:00:30
  these utility adjustments. Yes, they need to Pare down so
• 1:00:33
  not everybody has everything. I really think that it is scary.
• 1:00:37
  The demon Hunters that already have the 5% damage amp that
• 1:00:41
  people feel is mandatory to get all the gold.
• 1:00:44
  They get all the stuff are also coming in with Sigil of misery,
• 1:00:49
  Sigil of Silence, Chaos, Snover a blur, all Darkness, all of
• 1:00:54
  that. Utility that is already
• 1:00:56
  fantastic. So they do need to, they do need
• 1:01:00
  to adjust these things. And on the other side, for these
• 1:01:04
  very situational abilities, they do need to adjust them so that
• 1:01:07
  they are relevant. You, you can't have a bunch like
• 1:01:12
  a million irrelevant abilities, because then what's the point?
• 1:01:15
  But you also can't have too many relevant.
• 1:01:20
  He's and I hope that they continue balancing them out so
• 1:01:23
  that each ability that you do have when it when it counts
• 1:01:28
  counts for something. Yeah, yeah, definitely seems
• 1:01:31
  like something that's a little bit, more useful for
• 1:01:35
  restoration, Shaman with regard to illness bring totem but like
• 1:01:42
  out of the three specializations, the one that
• 1:01:44
  that could use it, the most make, I again would be that but
• 1:01:48
  I do. I do take the point that it's Is
• 1:01:50
  something that it's so it's so low impact that it's kind of
• 1:01:54
  kind of in a spot where it's not worth taking, but I like the
• 1:01:59
  idea of it because like in sorry to get in the weeds with this
• 1:02:03
  ability. But the reason that it's so bad
• 1:02:05
  for Resto is that Resto, doesn't want to spend the Mana to get no
• 1:02:12
  Mana back. So it's it's actually
• 1:02:16
  counterproductive for them and because they have the open, GCE.
• 1:02:20
  So, they're the ones that could use it.
• 1:02:23
  The most they don't want to. It's literally in a bad spot for
• 1:02:27
  every every class. Mmm.
• 1:02:29
  Those are every spec within the class.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah. but, There is the one other change with windfury
• 1:02:39
  totem, which kind of changing kind of changing how it works
• 1:02:45
  in. It does have a pretty massive
• 1:02:46
  implications for the design of winter your totem.
• 1:02:51
  So they've made it to where Manhattan Auto attack is not
• 1:02:55
  changed. Does the same thing.
• 1:02:58
  Does the thing same thing that it did before but now offhand
• 1:03:02
  attacks can proc a offhand wind Fury attack.
• 1:03:07
  Which is now counters as a real auto-attack.
• 1:03:12
  Like the the wind Fury attack itself is now counted as a real
• 1:03:15
  Auto attack, which means flame tongue weapon, and other effects
• 1:03:19
  that that other characters may have on offhand attacks.
• 1:03:24
  Now trigger with this trigger as if it was an actual Auto attack
• 1:03:32
  which makes win for your totem, Way stronger way stronger.
• 1:03:39
  Just by changing one, little line in the tooltip for it and
• 1:03:43
  changing changing how it works. And just that very small way, it
• 1:03:49
  has huge, huge, huge, huge impact.
• 1:03:52
  So Fury, Warriors Rogues monks the Enhancement, Shaman
• 1:03:59
  themselves all. Now, get way, way more.
• 1:04:05
  Benefit out of having one of your totem than they would
• 1:04:08
  otherwise. So any any users?
• 1:04:19
  That use just the one to hand weapons.
• 1:04:21
  So ours, Warrior Retribution Paladin, those types.
• 1:04:25
  They're not really going to see any benefit from this.
• 1:04:28
  But now, you have a another layer of consideration for your,
• 1:04:31
  for your win, for your party, that you want to make sure that
• 1:04:35
  all of the, all of the characters that are in that
• 1:04:38
  party are dual wielder just to just to make sure that you're
• 1:04:43
  squeezing out as much as you can or as much damage as you can out
• 1:04:46
  of it. And they, they also had a little
• 1:04:52
  bit of a bonus fixed with this. Where enhancement shamans, who
• 1:04:55
  are under the effect of a sentence can have benefit from
• 1:04:57
  when for your totem, if as if their Auto attacking, or if
• 1:05:02
  their Auto attacking from outside of melee and range with,
• 1:05:04
  with flash and another smaller note.
• 1:05:09
  But still huge impact is that the Miss chance?
• 1:05:15
  Has has been removed. Is that correct?
• 1:05:19
  They've removed the, the Miss chance for these Auto attacks
• 1:05:25
  from windfury. So yes.
• 1:05:28
  And basically this entire change can be summed up to we're making
• 1:05:34
  windfury good. On an equal playing field for
• 1:05:38
  all melee classes. So what happened is that it
• 1:05:43
  again, like you said, only affected main hand attack.
• 1:05:46
  So all your offhand attacks didn't count for anything, which
• 1:05:49
  meant that if you had a proc and you were swinging with the
• 1:05:51
  two-hander, that was a way stronger proc.
• 1:05:54
  Then somebody Swinging with a one-handed weapon.
• 1:05:57
  Now the offhand weapons can proc as well so off-handed offhand,
• 1:06:01
  dual wielding people will proc twice as much for not as much,
• 1:06:05
  right? But offhand weapons have a
• 1:06:09
  chance to miss. And then this additional attack
• 1:06:14
  would then also have a chance to miss.
• 1:06:17
  So you would have your offhand weapon miss.
• 1:06:20
  You want to get the proc on the chance that it did hit and then
• 1:06:22
  on the chance that it did proc you would also then have a
• 1:06:25
  significant chance of the extra attack missing their by
• 1:06:28
  completely removing the benefit. So what they've done is said, if
• 1:06:32
  you're hit procs this you will get that extra hit.
• 1:06:36
  There's no way for the extra hit to miss.
• 1:06:38
  And that means that the values, it's because every tear every
• 1:06:43
  tear We would get a tire chart saying this is the benefit that
• 1:06:49
  each class will get from Winfrey weapon.
• 1:06:52
  And it's not just that they get that extra hit.
• 1:06:55
  It's about the resources that they generate off of that, and
• 1:07:00
  off the people who were dual wielding that had offhand
• 1:07:03
  weapons. They wouldn't get as much
• 1:07:05
  benefit because half the resource generation was
• 1:07:09
  discounted from Auto attacks. Now it's being a lot now, all
• 1:07:15
  these changes Smooths it out a lot.
• 1:07:17
  And of course, the bonus bug-fix of ascendance means that if you
• 1:07:22
  suddenly move to range because that's the one of the benefits
• 1:07:26
  of going into ascendance you won't suddenly stop benefiting
• 1:07:30
  from your windfury totem, which is also quite good.
• 1:07:34
  So that's all these changes are. It's about equalizing the
• 1:07:37
  benefit of winter, a so that all may lay are a lot closer and
• 1:07:40
  benefit. Yeah, which all good changes.
• 1:07:45
  All good changes. And speaking of good changes we
• 1:07:49
  have even more user interface and accessibility changes with
• 1:07:53
  the latest build. They have added in a snap mode
• 1:07:59
  for UI elements within edit mode.
• 1:08:01
  So if you would like to to have elements snap together that is
• 1:08:07
  that is something you can turn on and you can also if you have
• 1:08:12
  the grid Enabled in edit mode. You can have UI elements, snap
• 1:08:16
  to grid lines. Not just other UI elements, so
• 1:08:22
  good stuff. They've also updated the art for
• 1:08:25
  the vehicle frame is that I think was like, one of the one
• 1:08:29
  of the last remaining things for the, our bar that needed to be
• 1:08:32
  taken care of, was the, was the vehicle frame, so that it soon
• 1:08:36
  as you jump into a vehicle that changes, your, your bar, R22 a,
• 1:08:45
  to a vehicle bark. Now, that that art is updated.
• 1:08:49
  So, I mean, it's, it's Art Bar stuff.
• 1:08:54
  If you're, if you're anything like me, you're not going to
• 1:08:56
  have, your are turned on to begin with, so it doesn't really
• 1:08:58
  matter. So all that, all good changes,
• 1:09:04
  all good changes, I think there are very few things left with
• 1:09:07
  the UI that need dire attention. I think, I think we're just kind
• 1:09:13
  of looking at that stuff, I'd 11 feedback, that that I would like
• 1:09:19
  to give officially on this show is that if there is one thing
• 1:09:25
  that I would like them to change with regard to the Art Bar, I
• 1:09:28
  would like them to make it to where we can choose whether we
• 1:09:32
  have Griffin's or wyverns. That's the only change, that's
• 1:09:37
  the only change that I would make it, like, on any character,
• 1:09:42
  like, not have it tied to to the faction.
• 1:09:45
  That's the only change that I would, that I would recommend to
• 1:09:49
  team to, to make to, to the Art Bar.
• 1:09:52
  But other than that, I think the UI is in a fantastic spot.
• 1:09:57
  Yeah, so I'm glad that the changes are coming through.
• 1:10:01
  As you as you guys know, the UI changes I think are one of the
• 1:10:04
  most wonderful updates that they've done in forever.
• 1:10:08
  But I was able to take those UI changes, set up my bars, quite
• 1:10:13
  quickly. Save them and import them over
• 1:10:17
  to my other characters for re testing because we had re
• 1:10:21
  testing this week. Like I said earlier, those raids
• 1:10:26
  were those bosses were quite fun.
• 1:10:30
  Got to jump in with a group. Test, the first two bosses on
• 1:10:36
  day one and just the second boss is so like, I'm quite surprised
• 1:10:45
  how well tuned it was for an entry boss.
• 1:10:49
  Like the second boss of the raid was so great.
• 1:10:52
  The first boss just took a little bit to understand what
• 1:10:56
  the mechanics were and then we were able to get that down.
• 1:11:00
  I feel like it could use a little bit more but The, but
• 1:11:05
  hopefully, they will adjust that.
• 1:11:06
  We got to test those two bosses on heroic.
• 1:11:09
  The next day, we came back and we had three bosses to test on
• 1:11:12
  heroic. Those bosses, seemed quite a bit
• 1:11:17
  more challenging because we started with the penultimate
• 1:11:21
  boss on day two. And that was, that was a
• 1:11:26
  struggle, but it was fun to go through.
• 1:11:29
  Then we went to an earlier boss. I win.
• 1:11:33
  Lord. Bye.
• 1:11:34
  Boss. Again, the difficulties of the
• 1:11:38
  fight in terms of the great group that I was with.
• 1:11:41
  They definitely seem to line up with where these boss is sort of
• 1:11:44
  showed up in the dungeon journal.
• 1:11:46
  And so I think this is going to be a pretty fun read experience.
• 1:11:52
  When I'm, when I am doing retesting, I'm not with a guild
• 1:11:56
  coordinated group and the fact that we were able to kill the
• 1:12:02
  first two bosses, in uncoordinated group, in re
• 1:12:05
  testing seems seems kind of miraculous that was not the case
• 1:12:12
  on day. Two on day two, those bosses
• 1:12:15
  devastated us as they should. So after you around, so with the
• 1:12:21
  I do have a Before you continue was this normal or heroic, right
• 1:12:24
  heroic. All the all the bosses for the
• 1:12:28
  for the last two days or sorry for the first two days were
• 1:12:32
  tested on heroic. And in fact, normal was supposed
• 1:12:35
  to be open this weekend and now if R was supposed to be open
• 1:12:39
  next weekend but they have actually canceled that testing
• 1:12:42
  right now. So we're not going to see those
• 1:12:45
  open over the weekend for testing when those come back.
• 1:12:50
  We'll test it on that. I think that again, your gear
• 1:12:55
  gets scaled. So, we were scaled to the point
• 1:12:58
  where we were assumed to have all gear at normal item level or
• 1:13:03
  higher normal raid, I'd level or higher and that's where they
• 1:13:08
  were testing these bosses. So obviously the first boss
• 1:13:11
  shouldn't require that and because we were tuned to that
• 1:13:15
  level. It was there.
• 1:13:17
  I think that these fights are interesting.
• 1:13:19
  They're like the raid area itself is absolutely beautiful.
• 1:13:26
  But before we even got to test these raids the day before we
• 1:13:30
  got a big announcement that everybody was talking about this
• 1:13:34
  week and that is also part of the notes that we didn't
• 1:13:42
  include. So the rather the patch notes
• 1:13:45
  that we did include and the patch notes.
• 1:13:47
  Saying that castle mathia sanctum domination and the SFO
• 1:13:53
  are using group loot. Mmm.
• 1:13:56
  What who will, what's that about?
• 1:13:58
  Well, group loot is coming back group.
• 1:14:01
  Loot means that while you're inside the new raid, the Vault
• 1:14:05
  of the incarnates group, loot is going to be active and it's
• 1:14:09
  going to be the only choice of the of giving out loot in the
• 1:14:15
  raid that It means that there is no personal Loot and people were
• 1:14:20
  losing their minds over the loss of personal loot.
• 1:14:25
  They have added in that when the boss dies, you go over to the
• 1:14:32
  boss and there will be a number of items on the on the bus.
• 1:14:37
  That those items will drop and be selected randomly,
• 1:14:42
  irrespective of who, is in The Raid team.
• 1:14:46
  So, if you have decided to stack and all Druid raid, there's a
• 1:14:49
  chance that it drops 0 pieces of leather.
• 1:14:53
  It drops them cloth. It drops like a ring.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah, you guys can use Rings. It drops mail, it drops plate,
• 1:14:59
  and most of you are out of luck. So, group, loot kind of pushes
• 1:15:06
  people to have some group diversity.
• 1:15:09
  Make sure you do have people who can use plate, mail, leather,
• 1:15:14
  and cloth. Make sure you do have people who
• 1:15:18
  can use a shield, a sword, a fist weapon, and so forth.
• 1:15:23
  Because if the, if that happens, the drop you don't want it
• 1:15:26
  wasted. But it also means that these
• 1:15:32
  systems can be socially engineered and that's what a lot
• 1:15:37
  of people are afraid of. So, before we go any further,
• 1:15:42
  Can we have the group loot conversation?
• 1:15:45
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:15:46
  I'm chomping at the bit to have this conversation, Manny?
• 1:15:49
  All right, so For you. Do you like the fact that group
• 1:15:56
  loot is returning? And then separately, do you like
• 1:16:00
  the fact that group loot is the only option available in the
• 1:16:05
  raid. So one of the biggest pain
• 1:16:10
  points for me, in rating in World of Warcraft, in recent,
• 1:16:14
  history has been the fact that personal loot is just the
• 1:16:17
  default everywhere. The fact that personal loot is
• 1:16:22
  just The mode in which we have to distribute loot in a raid
• 1:16:29
  setting. I think that that has been one
• 1:16:31
  of the most socially destructive aspects of rating since it was
• 1:16:36
  introduced and I am over the moon that we do not have forced
• 1:16:43
  personal Loop anymore. I would like to say, That.
• 1:16:53
  I think that the like on the note of group loot being now the
• 1:16:59
  the forced loot distribution mode, it seems it seems like one
• 1:17:08
  step forward half step back a little bit on that note because
• 1:17:14
  it is, it is another, it is another.
• 1:17:17
  This is dictated to us. This is this is the only way
• 1:17:19
  that this is going to happen. I think that that is something
• 1:17:25
  that definitely should be looked at because there will be a
• 1:17:28
  point. There will be a point in the
• 1:17:30
  raid tier where with forced to group loot their there.
• 1:17:35
  We'll just Be that point where where you're getting more drops
• 1:17:42
  off of a bus that are going to shards, then they are actual
• 1:17:48
  upgrades going to players. That's that's kind of always the
• 1:17:52
  case though. That's, that's always something
• 1:17:54
  that happens. That is, that is just the
• 1:17:56
  natural progression. You kill the early boss, has way
• 1:17:59
  more than you kill the, the later boxes.
• 1:18:01
  And so the loot that's on, those earlier bosses gets gets More
• 1:18:07
  evenly distributed like more people have all the loot that
• 1:18:11
  they that they need off of those early bosses.
• 1:18:15
  And that's just kind of this is kind of how it works.
• 1:18:20
  So for them to go from one Force mode of of Luke distribution to
• 1:18:26
  another forced mode of loose loot distribution.
• 1:18:29
  I think is is a little bit weird.
• 1:18:32
  I think, I think there may be room for them to look at having
• 1:18:36
  having group loot be mandatory. For a little while to like say,
• 1:18:45
  like, one to two months like I said, number of weeks having
• 1:18:49
  group loot. Be the the only thing that you
• 1:18:53
  can do and then having after a certain point, having personal
• 1:18:57
  loot, be able to be turned on like give the option for red
• 1:19:02
  teams to go back and forth between that.
• 1:19:05
  But I think in terms of in terms of this change, In how it
• 1:19:13
  impacts red team's all manner of red team's, not just those at
• 1:19:17
  the high end. I think that it discourages on a
• 1:19:21
  certain level, it discourages the, the practice of doing split
• 1:19:27
  runs because it is a lot more difficult to guarantee.
• 1:19:30
  Like you said, like you can't with group, you can't go into a
• 1:19:36
  raid with a group of all leather wearers and make the most out of
• 1:19:41
  your Your raid loot distribution in that way.
• 1:19:46
  You just can't, you just can't force it like that.
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  And so that is The the I think is a good thing, I think, I
• 1:19:59
  think that is a pretty good thing for it for the overall
• 1:20:01
  health of the game. But I would like to see.
• 1:20:07
  I would like to see them hit a point where that that route that
• 1:20:14
  Baseline rule of group being the only way to kind of be relaxed a
• 1:20:22
  little bit at a certain point. I don't think that having group
• 1:20:25
  loot be mandatory for the entirety of the tier is
• 1:20:29
  necessarily a good thing. Okay.
• 1:20:34
  Um, man. I my I have the.
• 1:20:47
  Displeasure. Of arguing against the argument.
• 1:20:55
  And I want to be clear that I am not like throwing an argument
• 1:20:59
  out on its face is Is like incredibly weak.
• 1:21:07
  It's better to take a side than to be, like, I don't want to get
• 1:21:09
  involved. So I different story, say, I'm
• 1:21:12
  not saying that I'm not, I don't want to get involved, but I hate
• 1:21:15
  the way this argument plays out. People throw out these really
• 1:21:19
  edge cases about why this system is bad or why this system is
• 1:21:25
  good or the terrible things that can happen with this or the
• 1:21:29
  other and these really edge cases and it's bad experiences
• 1:21:33
  and anecdotal data prop up. What Ever argument.
• 1:21:37
  You want to put out there? I hate having that argument.
• 1:21:40
  So, I'm going to really say that neither system is perfect.
• 1:21:47
  There has never been a perfect loop system, even when people
• 1:21:51
  had the options of a bunch of different things and then
• 1:21:54
  superimpose their own loot systems, dkp, whatever on top,
• 1:21:59
  there's never been a perfect system.
• 1:22:01
  There's always being horror stories and even With the option
• 1:22:06
  there will still be horror stories.
• 1:22:08
  So it's a matter of for me do I think it would be better to have
• 1:22:12
  the option so that the onus is put back on the player base and
• 1:22:16
  not on blizzard because blizzard making this decision to say it's
• 1:22:21
  going to be this way and no live.
• 1:22:24
  You don't get a choice means that blizzard gets all the hate.
• 1:22:29
  Whereas, if they put it to the players and live, you make a
• 1:22:33
  system and you put it up as we're this is, this is the week,
• 1:22:38
  we're switching over the personal Loot and then you get
• 1:22:41
  The Whispers from your 18 being, like, leave.
• 1:22:43
  Why'd you switch it to personally, I was really trying
• 1:22:47
  to get this or that for whatever reason I have had people talk to
• 1:22:51
  me about like yeah. I could have the Mythic chest
• 1:22:53
  piece, but now I can't need on the LF our chest piece.
• 1:23:00
  And why can't I do that? I'm a person who loves
• 1:23:03
  collecting transmog and this seems like Blizzard's against me
• 1:23:06
  because they won't let me do that.
• 1:23:09
  There's always going to be these weird edge cases, and I say,
• 1:23:13
  edge cases, even though we're all collectors, I collect
• 1:23:16
  mounts, people, collect transmog.
• 1:23:19
  People will say that you can't do damage.
• 1:23:21
  If you look like crap, there's all of that people play the
• 1:23:26
  games they want to play. And this is why I really preface
• 1:23:30
  this with. I don't want to get into these.
• 1:23:32
  We're dead cases because there will be bad, education has that
• 1:23:35
  it will disadvantage you in. Way.
• 1:23:40
  But when it disadvantages you, it's giving an advantage to
• 1:23:44
  somebody else. When you have, let's say to
• 1:23:49
  people who are after the same piece of loot, but the one guy
• 1:23:54
  has 18 other guys in the raid who also decide to quote
• 1:24:00
  unquote, need upon it to funnel it to their friend, while you
• 1:24:04
  get left out, like, that's a social issue.
• 1:24:07
  And that can happen with group loot, but in personal loot, you
• 1:24:10
  could have somebody who Doesn't want the piece for the same
• 1:24:16
  reasons you don't see my collector.
• 1:24:19
  Example, could trade it to you and decides.
• 1:24:24
  No, I want it. I really needed The Shard for
• 1:24:28
  this enchantment that I'm doing because I didn't want to pay the
• 1:24:32
  extra gold for the enchantment on the auction house.
• 1:24:34
  I really needed it to then toss out.
• 1:24:38
  Soon as I leave the The Raid because I needed my
• 1:24:43
  transmodulator. Like and who am I to say that
• 1:24:45
  they're trans mock? Isn't the purpose that they play
• 1:24:49
  the game in their real end game? But who are they to say that?
• 1:24:53
  You trying to get the gear. So you can get further in l.a.
• 1:24:56
  Far isn't a real gun game in itself.
• 1:25:00
  There's there are just too many people playing at different
• 1:25:03
  angles that one loot system is going to work perfectly for them
• 1:25:08
  and then the option of it is going to encourage not
• 1:25:12
  encouraged. But Elite eight arguments in the
• 1:25:15
  player base, so I don't think that there is a win-win
• 1:25:18
  situation in terms of group loot versus personal loot.
• 1:25:21
  I don't think one is better than the other.
• 1:25:24
  And I think that there will be people who were in teams, who
• 1:25:29
  were tanks or healers or whatever particular role was not
• 1:25:33
  prioritized in their loot, in their loot distribution, all of
• 1:25:38
  their team that loved personal Loot and there will be people
• 1:25:42
  who love to giving off. All these pieces because they
• 1:25:45
  went through. So saying all that I will now,
• 1:25:49
  give you my absolutely biased opinion from where I'm sitting.
• 1:25:53
  I am one of the people who likes group loot.
• 1:25:58
  I ran through how many dungeons doing, how many Mythic pluses
• 1:26:05
  getting all of that gear, while my team was still clearing
• 1:26:08
  through normal? And then going through heroic,
• 1:26:11
  by the time we got to heroic, barely anything was an upgrade
• 1:26:17
  If anything at all loot means nothing to me in dungeons, when
• 1:26:22
  I'm running with teams, like that group, loot means that I
• 1:26:26
  don't have to get involved. Something doesn't come to me and
• 1:26:28
  I don't have to pass it off. I can be like you deal with it
• 1:26:31
  group leader, right Joss you're you're dealing with loot to
• 1:26:36
  cancel, I go on and I get to kill the bosses with my friends
• 1:26:39
  because that's what I like. So for me I have I'm one of the
• 1:26:42
  most disconnected people from loot rules and it's more It's
• 1:26:47
  more hassle of who I have to hand off this useless piece of
• 1:26:50
  junk, to, on this kill. Right.
• 1:26:54
  That's my bias guys. So my bias is going to be so
• 1:26:58
  different from yours, but please recognize that.
• 1:27:00
  You has also have a bias versus your loot, your loot rules,
• 1:27:04
  personal loot meant, that less loot was Going to junk
• 1:27:12
  initially. But also meant that we would get
• 1:27:15
  20 of the same thing later on and it would all be like.
• 1:27:19
  Wow, this isn't dropping anything as we were going
• 1:27:22
  through later bosses, but that's because we are clearing through
• 1:27:25
  those later bosses. So much so many times in a team
• 1:27:29
  that progresses faster. They may not have as many re
• 1:27:33
  Claire's think about rates are world first or teams that are
• 1:27:37
  closer to that, they'll clear through Through each boss once
• 1:27:41
  in the first week and then move on to the next level difficulty.
• 1:27:45
  So what do they care, what the Luke rules are for normal versus
• 1:27:49
  the heroic that they actually spend time on?
• 1:27:51
  What do they care what the rules are for?
• 1:27:54
  Nor heroic versus the Mythic that they spend their time on
• 1:27:58
  and how much additional loot. They're getting teams that do
• 1:28:01
  spend a lot of time on the same difficulty, maybe they care more
• 1:28:06
  about what the loot is in in Mythic plus and Keystone's than
• 1:28:11
  they care about what the loot is in the actual raid because
• 1:28:14
  they're in a similar situation to where I'm at.
• 1:28:17
  And I think that's the issue with, with the loot rule.
• 1:28:21
  Argument is that there is no one-size-fits-all with this and
• 1:28:26
  I would think that it needs to be done based on social
• 1:28:29
  contracts. So when people are talking
• 1:28:31
  about, oh if it's a guild group, they should be on group Loot.
• 1:28:36
  And if they have a pug, then that pug should be forced on to
• 1:28:40
  personal loot. Well, that doesn't work.
• 1:28:42
  Because what's a guild these day, we have all these inter
• 1:28:46
  Guild communities that are coming from different server.
• 1:28:51
  Purrs different guilds, different factions.
• 1:28:53
  Now setting it up by Guild would add an additional restriction
• 1:28:57
  where it's like, sorry guys. You can't use group loot, unless
• 1:29:00
  everybody is in, your guild means that congratulations.
• 1:29:04
  You've killed cross-faction rating for a large majority of
• 1:29:08
  the people. So again, I do not think that
• 1:29:12
  these things can work as perfectly as people want, they
• 1:29:16
  can work as well as they might like it for their particular.
• 1:29:21
  Ocean. While herding a bunch of other
• 1:29:22
  people. Yeah.
• 1:29:24
  Which I'm there. There is, there is a caveat to
• 1:29:30
  these big changes in that loot Trading.
• 1:29:36
  Is the biggest pain point with with personal do the the biggest
• 1:29:43
  pain point that I've seen across across all the teams that have
• 1:29:48
  played with. Since personal loot became the
• 1:29:52
  Baseline standard was that? I got this piece of loot, it is
• 1:29:56
  a ring. It is technically five item
• 1:29:58
  levels higher than both of the Rings that I have equipped but
• 1:30:02
  it has stats that I do not want. I would much rather give this to
• 1:30:06
  someone else. That is going away.
• 1:30:11
  That's, that's out the window there.
• 1:30:14
  They are opening up loot trading with in raids now, to be able to
• 1:30:21
  to trade whatever you want with whoever you want regardless of
• 1:30:25
  item level. There are no restrictions on
• 1:30:27
  that anymore at all. And I think I think that that
• 1:30:35
  fact is why they are moving to force group flute instead of
• 1:30:40
  forced personal Loop is because they're opening up that.
• 1:30:44
  But on that note, I think I think that group loot doesn't
• 1:30:49
  work. If you have the Lou restrictions
• 1:30:52
  that they had for personal Loop because then you then you run
• 1:30:56
  into an Oscar, you run into a problem where you have like two
• 1:31:00
  people that are like looking at something.
• 1:31:02
  And Looking at a piece of Loot and one person wins at the other
• 1:31:07
  person doesn't. And then the person that won it
• 1:31:09
  is like, okay, well actually this like I thought about it.
• 1:31:15
  I did some Sims, I had came to the conclusion that this isn't
• 1:31:19
  what I want anymore. So I'm just going to opt to give
• 1:31:21
  it the other person. If they had the loot trading
• 1:31:23
  restrictions that personal loot had then, That would be, that
• 1:31:30
  would be another pain point. And you've got, you've got your
• 1:31:36
  hand raises if you make mean to rebut that.
• 1:31:41
  I just think that that because it's group loot because it's a
• 1:31:44
  social thing. And again, social thing say,
• 1:31:48
  hey, I need to run my Sims to see if that's a natural need
• 1:31:52
  roll, which is what we used to do, back in the day, back in the
• 1:31:56
  day, right? Okay.
• 1:31:59
  And like, this was when we had Master leader, which I am going
• 1:32:02
  to stress. Group loot is not master loot.
• 1:32:06
  I have seen people on The Forum being like, Oh Master Lutz back
• 1:32:09
  and bubble buttons like no stop compounding the to its group
• 1:32:12
  loot. Yeah.
• 1:32:14
  Regardless, Make those considerations make those
• 1:32:19
  determinations ahead of rolling. Have a conversation ahead,
• 1:32:24
  rolling. Oh man, I'm gonna greed, but
• 1:32:28
  it's only a five item level upgrade for me or it's a side
• 1:32:32
  grade for me, right? Is it okay, if I do agreed roll
• 1:32:38
  or a need roll, right? Have that conversation ahead of
• 1:32:42
  time. And if you cannot have that
• 1:32:44
  conversation too, Ahead of time. Then you have a social issue on
• 1:32:48
  top of the group issue and I'm not saying that social issues
• 1:32:53
  are are purely on you, right? But it is something that as
• 1:33:01
  players we need to figure out if I plug into a raid team and we
• 1:33:07
  get into that situation where I'm not sure if the majority of
• 1:33:11
  these people are going to roll underneath the table to funnel
• 1:33:13
  it to their friends. I'll do, I really want to be in
• 1:33:17
  that raid situation, personal loot was better because it would
• 1:33:23
  Force that solution upon upon us.
• 1:33:29
  Right. But would also set up things
• 1:33:32
  where oh I didn't win that like because personal loot, all
• 1:33:35
  personally did was under the table.
• 1:33:38
  Do the roles. So, something would drop live
• 1:33:41
  and I would both be eligible. We couldn't have the
• 1:33:44
  conversation of a that's only a five iron level for me.
• 1:33:47
  I'd rather you have it. We would both immediately need
• 1:33:50
  roll. It would assign it to live and
• 1:33:52
  then live would be like, oh geez, this is a 30 item level
• 1:33:56
  upgrade for you Manny. It's only five for me, sir.
• 1:33:59
  See, I can't do anything about it.
• 1:34:01
  Sucks that personal Luke did this.
• 1:34:04
  So, but like, group loot is the opposite where it's like, oh,
• 1:34:08
  they've rolled on it and but it was only a five item level
• 1:34:10
  upgrade for for her. What the hell?
• 1:34:14
  And then we're angry at blizzard and one and we're angry at live
• 1:34:19
  in the other and does live need that hate blizzard says, you
• 1:34:22
  know what, we're going to make the decision for you.
• 1:34:26
  Yeah. Yeah, and it does have its
• 1:34:29
  benefit, but I think, I think that they're The Stance and I'm
• 1:34:37
  coming from with it is that I think that with the, with the
• 1:34:41
  loot, trading rules being lifted, I think that there is
• 1:34:45
  much more, there's much more room for for there to be
• 1:34:53
  creative use of game mechanics. I'll say it that way. with
• 1:34:57
  personal loot as opposed to group loot because then that
• 1:35:00
  does that does kind of like, if they were, to leave it to where
• 1:35:03
  you could choose between personal Loot and group loot,
• 1:35:08
  within within the first couple of weeks than that, kind of
• 1:35:11
  like, kind of shifts it to the space, where The some of these,
• 1:35:23
  like, higher-end teams are then going to be looking at.
• 1:35:27
  Okay, well, we can do personal Loop, we can do stacking, we can
• 1:35:30
  do infinite Loop trading without restriction.
• 1:35:34
  Can we, can we do split runs with all other?
• 1:35:38
  Can we do, like, can we construct these?
• 1:35:40
  These runs to funnel gear to our to our players.
• 1:35:44
  And I think that, that, that I think is definitely like, it
• 1:35:50
  doesn't affect. But the vast majority of the
• 1:35:53
  rating playerbase, but I think that that is, that is something
• 1:35:56
  that's at kind of the Forefront of the conversation around this,
• 1:36:00
  because it is, it is the most visible, broadly speaking, the
• 1:36:04
  most visible aspect of all this that I think, is being taken
• 1:36:08
  into consideration. Yeah.
• 1:36:12
  And I think that, in terms of With the new raid group, loot
• 1:36:19
  needs to be a thing because of how they have set things up in
• 1:36:24
  the new raid. They have the various tiers of
• 1:36:30
  item levels within the bosses. So you're going to have normal
• 1:36:36
  difficulty, starting at item level 389, but that's only four.
• 1:36:43
  The first three bosses for Aeronautics the Primal Council,
• 1:36:50
  sarin fo and a fourth with Terrace, then there's going to
• 1:36:54
  be an intermediate here for the wing bosses and of wing bosses,
• 1:36:59
  that will be coming from the sorry, the death via ascended
• 1:37:08
  and Keurig grimtotem. But then the final two bosses
• 1:37:13
  are going to draw 398 TR4. Brew keeper darina, which kick
• 1:37:19
  my butt before and razza get that we're never going to see it
• 1:37:23
  tested. Those are going to have a
• 1:37:25
  separate item level. So if this was all for forced
• 1:37:28
  personal loot, you wouldn't be able to trade because you would
• 1:37:33
  get an item level upgrade assuming everything in a bubble
• 1:37:35
  here because there can be outside factors, you wouldn't be
• 1:37:38
  able to trade even if it's like well the Level.
• 1:37:42
  The three item level upgrade that I get from the last two
• 1:37:46
  bosses isn't actually worth it because of the itemization of
• 1:37:50
  the 395 I got from an earlier boss and rather than have all
• 1:37:55
  those considerations and and that be taken out of your hands.
• 1:38:01
  You as a team can make that choice.
• 1:38:03
  And when I say he was a team that affects some players who
• 1:38:07
  are part of those coordinated team efforts, but disadvantages
• 1:38:11
  other players who are outside of those coordinated efforts beyond
• 1:38:18
  that. There are some items that each
• 1:38:23
  of these bosses drop that are special rarer drops that are in
• 1:38:29
  this and those are unique. Nick drops that that they put in
• 1:38:34
  this article and they said that additionally.
• 1:38:37
  They're experimenting with a number of bosses that possess
• 1:38:40
  one item that intentionally drops at a higher item level
• 1:38:43
  usually plus 6 or plus 7 from that bosses normal table to be
• 1:38:48
  clear. This isn't tied in forging, it
• 1:38:50
  will be the same item level every time and will be slightly
• 1:38:54
  rarer to compensate and pending on some new tech.
• 1:39:00
  They will have the Ability to note this in the dungeon Journal
• 1:39:03
  itself, these can be unique, appearances, items with special
• 1:39:08
  bonus effects or powerful, trinket that people may seek
• 1:39:12
  after. But if these things drop at a
• 1:39:16
  higher item level, personal loot will lock them, you won't be
• 1:39:19
  able to trade them. It might have a unique effect
• 1:39:22
  which doesn't matter about item level.
• 1:39:25
  It might be amazing for shadow priest, but horrible for an
• 1:39:31
  Arcane Mage, but they both use the same items and the item
• 1:39:36
  level will lock it and you will feel bad.
• 1:39:38
  So this is why they're starting to push group loot in this tier
• 1:39:45
  The stratification of the item levels among the bosses, which I
• 1:39:49
  think is a good thing. The unique items which will make
• 1:39:53
  three clearing bosses more interesting because there's a
• 1:39:56
  better chance of getting that rare item.
• 1:39:59
  Right. Which I hope is not.
• 1:40:00
  Well I'm assuming it's not going to be legendary item levels of
• 1:40:04
  rare. Yeah but a little bit more rare
• 1:40:07
  that you're not going to see it every week.
• 1:40:10
  You're going to, you're going to need a couple of weeks before
• 1:40:14
  one drops. And I think that's why group
• 1:40:17
  loot being forced in here, makes sense with all these changes
• 1:40:21
  that they've made to unlevel, because her salute only really
• 1:40:24
  seems to care about item level. Does that track with what you
• 1:40:28
  were thinking. Oh, absolutely. 100%.
• 1:40:31
  Yeah. That like, gives another thing
• 1:40:33
  with that is that it kind of gives a little bit more
• 1:40:36
  longevity to the to the lower tiers with the, with the tearing
• 1:40:39
  of the, the item level throughout the raid.
• 1:40:43
  It kind of gives a little bit It more longevity to at least to
• 1:40:47
  the ladder bosses. Like it gives a little bit more
• 1:40:50
  incentive for rape teams to make sure that they've got someone
• 1:40:52
  that has the skip. If there is a skip available
• 1:40:56
  which I'd we don't, I don't, I don't know that we have word on
• 1:40:59
  whether or not there's going to be a skip quest for this raid
• 1:41:02
  but I hope there is because that gives raid teams the opportunity
• 1:41:06
  to say, okay we still have a couple people that need this
• 1:41:09
  trinket off the last boss. So we're going to, we're going
• 1:41:11
  to make sure that we're putting putting in the time every week
• 1:41:15
  to make sure. If they get their attempt on it
• 1:41:17
  because for those those those items that have unique effects
• 1:41:22
  that you don't care about the item level on it, at any item
• 1:41:25
  level that trinket or that weapon is such a huge Boon to to
• 1:41:33
  an individual players damage profile that it makes it worth
• 1:41:37
  going back and doing those those letter bosses on earlier
• 1:41:41
  difficulties. So that's that's something that
• 1:41:43
  I think is good. Because it does give teams
• 1:41:47
  something a little bit more, a little bit more granular to work
• 1:41:52
  towards. Give them something a little bit
• 1:41:55
  extra to do during the week because there is invariably a
• 1:41:58
  point in every raid tier where you're just, you're just going
• 1:42:01
  through and going through the motions for like the vast
• 1:42:04
  majority of the raid and then you have like one or two bosses
• 1:42:09
  that you're that you're really working on to get the the last
• 1:42:14
  little bit of Of less little little bit of juice that you
• 1:42:22
  need to push yourself over to get those those last couple of
• 1:42:25
  clears. So I think that's that's a good
• 1:42:27
  overall change. Yeah.
• 1:42:29
  And I think that if you're looking at these things are
• 1:42:33
  these unique items are six item levels higher with a unique
• 1:42:38
  bonus on top of it. That means that the first boss
• 1:42:41
  in a raid, that one item might be something that you seek over.
• 1:42:46
  Or something from one of the wing bosses because like, plus 6
• 1:42:48
  to the 398, makes it a 395, plus a special bonus on top.
• 1:42:53
  So it's equivalent to what you might get from and wing and
• 1:42:56
  those end Wing bosses. Right 395, add another six item
• 1:43:01
  levels that will put it above the 398 from the last boss.
• 1:43:06
  So you'll want that. Of course, you'll be hunting
• 1:43:09
  down tear and wherever the tear pieces drop, that will be a
• 1:43:13
  thing. The fact that it is wing Means
• 1:43:16
  that you can hunt cut through One Wing and then do, maybe the
• 1:43:21
  final clear. They've got the skip or focus on
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  these two Wings because those, those particular items are what
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  your team needs and devote your time as as needed.
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  So Wings in this sort of system, definitely makes sense.
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  I would rather it be similar to like ICC where you can go down
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  the blood wing wing this week because people need upgrades
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  from The blood wing and that's what we're going to concentrate
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  on and then if we have time, we'll go clear.
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  Another Wing that people don't need as much gear from.
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  Yeah so I like that. The last thing I want to say for
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  the Looting thing is the clarifications and the
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  additional adjustments that they've made for group loot so
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  it's not just the group loot. As you may remember it back in
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  the past they said in the past need / greed.
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  Only knew if something was equippable or the right armor
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  type, not if it was For your spec or not, this has now
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  changed. First off, you can never need on
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  anything, your class cannot wear so know where your sniping
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  cloth, robes with the need role and giving it away or trolling
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  already being looked at. We also have main spec and off
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  spec functionality, built in which changes based on the
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  current loot spec that you are. So if you right-click your
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  portrait Yvonne live, you can change your loot spec to make
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  Sure. That you are getting enhancement
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  stuff versus Elemental stuff or being able to get things for
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  your protection versus your retribution set and so forth.
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  Making sure that that is in line, in the system means that
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  when you do a need roll, it will be like, okay, this is
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  equippable to you as a warrior. but your need is protection, so
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  you will be able to roll need on a shield.
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  Even if you're in retrospect because you've put your loot
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  specialization to protection. Conversely, if you're a
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  Retribution Paladin and your main spec is retribution, and a
• 1:45:35
  shield drops, which you could use for Holy, you could hit that
• 1:45:40
  need button for the shield, but it'll recognize you as a
• 1:45:43
  retribution and say that that is an off spec roll.
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  So anybody who needs that sealed for your main spec will be able
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  to get priority over. Were you to get that Shield?
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  Their roles will be counted over yours and then it'll be like,
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  okay, you can use it for an office back and nobody wants
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  this for an needing for a main spec.
• 1:46:07
  So now your role will be there. Then it will go to, okay?
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  Are we is this something that people will need for you're
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  doing agreed? It's going to be a transmog.
• 1:46:19
  Role. You're doing agreed because you
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  want to, you want to Shard it. We have, in fact.
• 1:46:27
  Add-ons currently one that I use loot raffle in a lot of my raids
• 1:46:32
  that already mimic this system. So I really think that this is
• 1:46:35
  great, the fact that it is more intelligent about, it really
• 1:46:39
  works there but it goes further than that players won't have the
• 1:46:44
  won't be able to win multiples of the same item say that two
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  sets of shoulders drop while you can need roll on both of them.
• 1:46:54
  Winning. One of those rules will I'll
• 1:46:56
  remove you and your role from the other.
• 1:47:00
  So, 22 Shields drop like, we had in the previous example, two
• 1:47:05
  people, roll the warrior who main specs protection, wins one.
• 1:47:10
  But he doesn't, he doesn't immediately get a chance to win
• 1:47:13
  the other because he's already won one Shield.
• 1:47:16
  Then the Retribution Paladin who also has, who wants a shield for
• 1:47:21
  Holy will then have the role against the other and they'll
• 1:47:24
  both get the shield and you won't have to worry.
• 1:47:27
  Lastly, even after winning a role, the items remain fully
• 1:47:31
  tradable, without restrictions, that was eligible as a looter.
• 1:47:36
  So again, going back to live your previous, your previous
• 1:47:41
  example where you roll on it and you find out.
• 1:47:44
  Oh, I actually ran the Sim and this isn't that good for me?
• 1:47:49
  Well you can freely trade it, it's not soulbound locked to
• 1:47:52
  you. In terms of If you were to loot
• 1:47:56
  the item and then trying to put it on the auction house, it is
• 1:47:58
  still soulbound, so you can't trade it to people outside the
• 1:48:01
  raid that weren't eligible. But you can say, okay, I ran the
• 1:48:04
  Sim it didn't work for me and still trade it off to the other
• 1:48:08
  person. It doesn't immediately become
• 1:48:09
  locked to you. That's the big thing that you
• 1:48:12
  were talking about earlier that I had preempted by saying, hey,
• 1:48:16
  you know what, talk about it first?
• 1:48:17
  Well, this system has already put that in into play.
• 1:48:21
  You don't have to talk about it first.
• 1:48:22
  You really should guys, please just think before you roll, but
• 1:48:28
  if you make a mistake, you can correct it.
• 1:48:32
  You can hand it off. And then it goes to say that if
• 1:48:38
  you control an item with a same item level, let's say a 398.
• 1:48:43
  Cool dragon ring with a tertiary, you cannot need roll
• 1:48:48
  on another 398 dragon ring without a tertiary that thing
• 1:48:54
  that says, hey, you already have the loot, you can't roll on
• 1:48:58
  another ignores, tertiaries. Now they're not going to be
• 1:49:04
  treating. Alters raise the same, it is
• 1:49:07
  incredibly valid that if a piece of loot drops and it has leech
• 1:49:15
  that A Healer would be like. I know I already have that ring
• 1:49:18
  but Elite version is so good and they are aware of that.
• 1:49:24
  So they are being very smart and making this system way smarter
• 1:49:30
  than it used to be. And I think That is very much
• 1:49:32
  what you were talking about live.
• 1:49:33
  That it's not coming back as the old need for greed its ass much.
• 1:49:37
  Smarter 2.0 version of loot rolling.
• 1:49:40
  Yeah, yeah. And like, even even just even
• 1:49:44
  just, if they were to make it to where you can still nurse like
• 1:49:48
  you can freely trade everything, like, if it was just the loot
• 1:49:51
  restriction being lifted or the trading restrictions being
• 1:49:54
  lifted, and not all these additional conditions and and
• 1:49:59
  considerations that the the It's taken into into consideration
• 1:50:05
  that would still be miles better in my opinion than the personal
• 1:50:11
  loot is for organized, rain teams, but with the addition of
• 1:50:17
  all of the things you just went through just drives it home, as
• 1:50:21
  this is, this is something that they are trying to.
• 1:50:24
  They're trying to put a lot more love and care into this
• 1:50:29
  particular aspect of the game. To make it as enjoyable as they
• 1:50:34
  can for as many people as possible and cut out as much
• 1:50:38
  tension from that system as they possibly can before before it
• 1:50:44
  becomes a problem. So I think these are all
• 1:50:46
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