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Malcolm in the Middle of Myrtle-Broadway · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: It's that time of year where we have to turn
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Speaker 1: our aces off to record. So let's see who starts
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Speaker 1: to sweat first.
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Speaker 2: Honey, it's gonna be me. It's gonna be me, and
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Speaker 2: it's literally may girl, I'm going to be sweating, and
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Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Hot, hot, hot babes. I need
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Speaker 2: the virgins to know our level of sacrifice. We have
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Speaker 2: turned off the aces.
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Speaker 1: Girleiana, what have you been up to since we last recorded, well,
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Speaker 1: since we last recorded or since we last saw each other,
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Speaker 1: because those are two different things outside of this podcast.
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Speaker 2: I suppose, So I think what I will really? Let
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Speaker 2: me start with this. How many episodes of Malcolm in
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Speaker 2: the Middle have you watched since we last saw each other?
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Speaker 2: And since I inducted you last week into the uh
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Speaker 2: uvra of Malcolm in the Middle.
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Speaker 1: I will get there, but I just wanted to show you,
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Speaker 1: and this will be annoying for the virgins who can't.
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Speaker 3: Maybe one day we'll have video.
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Speaker 1: But I did get a new set of dolls the
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Speaker 1: other day because I saw they were on sale, and
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Speaker 1: so I have King Triton, oh shit, and Ursula and
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Speaker 1: the way I've had them sitting on my kitchen table
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Speaker 1: is with Ursula sitting on King Triton's face. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: just want you to know that that's what's happening.
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Speaker 3: Near me, girl.
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Speaker 2: I mean, those are good purchases, and the virgins can't see,
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Speaker 2: but maybe we'll drop a photo. But there they are
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Speaker 2: high quality dolls. I love the way those look.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're just like from They're just like regular
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Speaker 1: Disney brand barbies.
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Speaker 2: But okay, love this shopping update.
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Speaker 1: I also got an aerial doll that comes with her,
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Speaker 1: you know, her dress at the end of the movie,
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Speaker 1: which turns into a human and King Triton like makes
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Speaker 1: her the one of the best dresses ever captured to animation.
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Speaker 3: I have it.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm totally derailing us, but I think this is
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Speaker 2: an important discussion for us to have most beautiful dresses
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Speaker 2: in Disney. For me personally, that dress is probably in
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Speaker 2: the top two, top three. I love that dress so much.
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Speaker 2: The final number Arielle's final glitter dress, the final moments
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Speaker 2: of the Little Mermaid.
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Speaker 1: Before she changes into her eighties Princess Diana poofy sleeved
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Speaker 1: yes wedding dress. Yes, you know, like she's like coming
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Speaker 1: out of the ocean and it's basically like try it
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Speaker 1: and King Triton like makes her a dress out of
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Speaker 1: the sea, and it's one of the most striking visuals
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Speaker 1: in a Disney movie.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree. I mean others would totally probably not agree,
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Speaker 2: maybe are mad because her as we're talking, you should
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Speaker 2: many people are kind of like, no, it's the Cinderella dress.
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Speaker 2: Cinderella is the dress, but like, honestly, Belle much more
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Speaker 2: memory bowl dress. I would say in theory, Bell's dress
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Speaker 2: is arguably more iconic than Cinderella's dress.
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Speaker 1: I would agree, I think, especially because there's always debate
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Speaker 1: about what color Cinderella's dress is in Disney's like it
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Speaker 1: has definitely been retconned by Disney that it is blue,
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Speaker 1: but it is silver in the original film. You can
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Speaker 1: exactly rely see that. Yeah, I mean Bell Bell's dress
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Speaker 1: is more iconic. It's probably the Disney princess dress I
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Speaker 1: would want to wear the least.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it looks, it would look it would make
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Speaker 2: anyone look awful.
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Speaker 1: Horrible, but it is it is iconic. I do also
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Speaker 1: fuck with Aurora from Sleepya Beauty. I especially love that
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Speaker 1: she gets to have that dress in two colors exactly,
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Speaker 1: and you find when you find a silhouette that works
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Speaker 1: for you, get it in every color.
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Speaker 2: I also will say, I don't know if you were
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Speaker 2: this s diva, but this scene when the fairies are
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Speaker 2: constructing the dress and they're kind of doing a bad
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Speaker 2: job at like doing normal humor and stuff without magic.
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Speaker 2: There the blue fairy and the Red Fairy get into
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Speaker 2: an argument and they both like kind of shoot the
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Speaker 2: dress at the same time with color. And the dress
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Speaker 2: is splattered with pink and blue. It's very transgender colored,
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Speaker 2: and it's quote unquote looking very It looks ugly. But
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Speaker 2: I think that dress looks amazing. See the splatter dress.
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Speaker 2: I think it needs to be one or the other. Okay,
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Speaker 2: she is in her beautiful sea foam gown and she
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Speaker 2: has flounder and Sebastian. Yes, and podcasting is a visual
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Speaker 2: and also the medium, so the versions are really loving
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Speaker 2: this unboxing.
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Speaker 3: Right anyway, Ariel's here, she looks great. Let's what wait?
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Speaker 3: What was? What was? You dodged?
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Speaker 2: You dodged the question about Malcolm in the middle. You
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Speaker 2: really do not want to talk about no middle?
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Speaker 3: No, I do. That's why I put it on the agenda.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I didn't want I'm slightly embarrassed because I
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Speaker 1: have watched a lot of it.
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Speaker 2: Sweet how many seasons? What season are you in?
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Speaker 1: So as you started from the beginning, so I went
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Speaker 1: back to the beginning. I will say we watched when
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Speaker 1: we were on Fire Island together, we watched a couple
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Speaker 1: episodes from season three, and I would say like half
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Speaker 1: of season four, not half, like a big chunk, A
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Speaker 1: big chunk, I almost half. I went back to the
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Speaker 1: beginning when I got home. And I will also let
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Speaker 1: you know that I had no.
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Speaker 3: Plans this past weekend.
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Speaker 1: Well, I went shopping during the day both days, and like,
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Speaker 1: did I did stuff this weekend? But I had a
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Speaker 1: lot of unstructured time where I just had kind of
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Speaker 1: had something on, you know, it's like doing stuff around
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Speaker 1: the house.
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Speaker 3: So I'm on season six of Malcolm in the Middle.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you went through it, girl.
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Speaker 2: Can I get some I know you haven't like been
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Speaker 2: a close watcher of like every single episode, but can
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Speaker 2: I get some analysis on early Malcolm in the Middle
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Speaker 2: compared to like this five and six, like when when
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Speaker 2: Malcolm and the other kids grow up? It is, in
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Speaker 2: my opinion, a tonally and decidedly kind of different show
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Speaker 2: within the same themes and also just for the versions
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Speaker 2: if you don't know, it's just about a family and
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Speaker 2: so working class family, a kind of almost lower yeah,
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Speaker 2: almost like lower middle class, working class family in some
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Speaker 2: unnamed suburb, unnamed jobs, no last name. There are like
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Speaker 2: you know, a range of like boys, they all are troublemakers.
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Speaker 2: And then there's Hall and Lowis who are the parents.
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Speaker 1: So I guess some of the things I noticed were
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Speaker 1: more I guess, kind of technical, Like I definitely could
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Speaker 1: see in going from watching the show when it was
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Speaker 1: probably arguably at its peak to then going back to
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Speaker 1: the very beginning. Like I think you see this a lot,
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Speaker 1: especially with sitcoms. It's like the bones are there, but
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Speaker 1: the characters haven't necessarily like crystallized. Like I think one
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Speaker 1: of the really good examples of this is Karen on
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Speaker 1: Will and Grace in the first season is kind of
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Speaker 1: a different character than she is for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the show, and that's because that character didn't really come
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Speaker 1: together until Megan Malally found that, like Karen voice an affect,
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Speaker 1: and kind of similarly, a lot of the characters they
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Speaker 1: have the rough shapes of what they will be. But
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Speaker 1: I would say the show is like a little more
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Speaker 1: grounded in reality at the beginning, and I saw that
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Speaker 1: most with the acting, like it being a lot more naturalistic.
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Speaker 1: Like I noticed that Francis like kind of seems like
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Speaker 1: he's in a different show, and like he often does
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Speaker 1: because he literally is like on his own for so
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Speaker 1: much of the time, the older brother.
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Speaker 3: The older brother.
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Speaker 1: But I felt like even even Brian Cranston and Jane Kasmarak,
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Speaker 1: we're doing kind of smaller, more realistic performances at the
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Speaker 1: beginning that got bigger and more outrageous, especially hal who
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Speaker 1: like is by season four is I mean no, by
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Speaker 1: season five it is like a cartoon character. Yeah, cartoon,
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Speaker 1: But I guess at the same time, like as the
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Speaker 1: show goes on, it allows itself to be both zanier
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Speaker 1: and more surreal, and also has more moments of true
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Speaker 1: emotionality and pathos sincerity.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever cry? No, many episodes of this show
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Speaker 2: have made me cry. I will honestly point you towards
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Speaker 2: them at a at another time. But I totally agree
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Speaker 2: with you, like the show is increasingly absurdist, much to
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Speaker 2: my delight. I think the show's absurdity is like its strength.
8:43
Speaker 2: It's kind of similar to how three evolves. Yes, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's very thirty Rock in its like non completely non
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Speaker 2: realistic depictions of plotlines and character motivations and the way
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Speaker 2: that the the way that the consequences of anything that
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Speaker 2: happened in an episode are white clean before the start
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Speaker 2: of the next episode.
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Speaker 3: Like YEA love it's cartoon rules, Yes it is.
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Speaker 2: There are very few plotlines that carry over and yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I love that the like every single not every
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Speaker 2: single episode, but most episodes, the plot truly explodes, sometimes
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Speaker 2: literally explodes. There's a lot of explosions in this show,
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Speaker 2: and then Lois devises some kind of very creative punished
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Speaker 2: for punishment for them, and then the show resets. It's, like,
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Speaker 2: I think, very satiating to watch. And I do also
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Speaker 2: agree on this balance of like absurdity and sincerity, Like
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Speaker 2: the show starts out as something that is slightly more
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Speaker 2: controlled and reserved and not all the cartoons are there,
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Speaker 2: and then you really like kind of understand what each
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Speaker 2: the shtick or multiple shticks of each character, and then
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Speaker 2: all of those are exaggerated and then the show comes
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Speaker 2: occasionally back to like a really heartfelt monologue or like
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Speaker 2: U a lesson on growing up, or a lesson on
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Speaker 2: having sex for the first time, or a lesson on
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Speaker 2: what it means to be a mom. That like is
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Speaker 2: honestly really beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Something I also really appreciated was the way that the
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Speaker 1: bad guys like because yes, a lot of the drama
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Speaker 1: just comes from within the family, but a lot of
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Speaker 1: the outside agitation they're outside antagonists are never are usually
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Speaker 1: less it's less about individual evil and more about structural evil.
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Speaker 1: And I think the fact that it's a sitcom about
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Speaker 1: working class people like that feels very intentional, Like it's
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Speaker 1: always the systems of power that are oppressing them, and
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Speaker 1: there are certain good guy actors within those systems, like
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Speaker 1: they occasionally have run ins with like good cops or
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Speaker 1: good military people or good lawyers or whatever. But it's
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Speaker 1: always recognizing that the structure that those people are working
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Speaker 1: within are oppressive. And I mean the show does have
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Speaker 1: quite a nihilistic take on them, which is that like
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Speaker 1: you will never escape them, and so you must destroy them,
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Speaker 1: and so you must destroy them. Yeah, it's like never
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Speaker 1: really about finding a way to work within them. It's
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Speaker 1: it's like always about destruction or scamming or like getting
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Speaker 1: away with something.
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Speaker 3: I love that the characters are all really bad people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of unapologetically, but kind of often for good
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Speaker 2: Like sometimes they're bad people for the sake of destruction,
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Speaker 2: like sometimes it's destruction for destruction's.
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Speaker 1: Sake, and other robinhood of it. Yes, stealing from the
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Speaker 1: rich to give to the poor.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot of that, and you girl, I
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Speaker 2: like have goosebumps because that, to me is one of
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Speaker 2: the things that I love about the show is that
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Speaker 2: every one of the main characters has this kind of
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Speaker 2: like sacred heart of feeling up against something, Like they
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Speaker 2: always are in opposition to what feel unfair, and often
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Speaker 2: that is like a stupid boss, a stupid cop, a
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Speaker 2: law that shouldn't exist, an oppressive neighbor like things like that.
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Speaker 2: It's it is so so fun and interesting to watch.
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Speaker 3: They also they also all have this.
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Speaker 1: They also all have a great almost sort of like
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Speaker 1: a Greek tragedy character flaw that always gets them in trouble.
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Speaker 1: But sometimes that like that's why we love them because
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Speaker 1: like Lois is such an interesting character because she has
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Speaker 1: to do what she believes is right under any circumstances,
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Speaker 1: no matter whether it's going to hurt the people closest
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Speaker 1: to her or herself. She it's just totally unshakeable, like
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Speaker 1: kind of the same way Malcolm's like intellectual superiority is.
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Speaker 3: I just find it really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: And I honestly found myself thinking, like, what if I
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Speaker 1: had watched this growing up, if this had been part
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Speaker 1: of my.
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Speaker 3: Life, could it have.
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Speaker 1: Impacted like the person I became? I do see, like
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Speaker 1: why it's so foundational to you? Like it really does
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Speaker 1: see me. It does feel like one of those it
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Speaker 1: feels like a load bearing it feels like a load
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Speaker 1: bearing wall of of your personality.
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Speaker 3: And wait, I did come.
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Speaker 1: I watched an episode last night that in which Malcolm
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Speaker 1: in the Middle predicted the movie weapons.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 3: So there's an episode where Dewey's in like the.
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Speaker 1: Remedial class and he he like moves out of it
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Speaker 1: and the kids are all like, no, we don't want
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Speaker 1: you to go, and then his teacher comes to his
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Speaker 1: house the next day and is like, all the students
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Speaker 1: ran away, You're the only one left.
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Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I had a lot of weapons.
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Speaker 2: The show's depiction of people that live with disabilities is
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Speaker 2: not great.
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Speaker 3: Also bad.
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Speaker 2: Also, people oh.
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Speaker 1: Fat people like the stuff it does around race is
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Speaker 1: so interesting.
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Speaker 2: It's good, it's kind of good.
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Speaker 1: It's really good because it's like white people are always
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Speaker 1: the butt of the joke, yes, even everyone's, especially when
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Speaker 1: they're trying to be like would Allies or Welk or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and like it has some some jokes that I was
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Speaker 1: honestly surprised.
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Speaker 3: Made it to air in the early two thousands.
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Speaker 2: I agree, honestly. Yeah, the show is ahead of its
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Speaker 2: time in a few different ways, and when that was
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Speaker 2: one of them.
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Speaker 3: Right now, I'm I'm rose in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am okay. Also, so wait, so has has
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Speaker 2: Reese joined the army?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? That I got past that girl.
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Speaker 1: It is such a Bush era show, like it is
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Speaker 1: so Iraq War. It's like not necessarily propaganda, but it's
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Speaker 1: just like, oh right, we are the the it is,
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Speaker 1: we are happening. We are post nine to eleven right
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Speaker 1: now in a way, and like you are. It's not
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Speaker 1: necessary You're not doing like very special episodes talking about it,
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Speaker 1: but it is just like very much a part of
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Speaker 1: the fabric of these people's lives that we are, that
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Speaker 1: America is actively in a really unpopular war right now.
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Speaker 2: The show doesn't like as a whole, the show doesn't.
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Speaker 2: It tries. It actually avoids like pop culture references or
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Speaker 2: like real time political commentary and then select with select
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Speaker 2: kind of like departures and yeah, like Reese going to
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Speaker 2: Iraq is like so it's like kind of jarring. But
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Speaker 2: I actually do love those episodes.
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Speaker 3: I thought they were they.
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Speaker 1: Were entertaining, and I have a new found hunger and
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Speaker 1: yearning for Brian Cranston. Yes, they really slut him out
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Speaker 1: so much through the entire run of the show. He's
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Speaker 1: always like half naked and like rubbing himself. And I
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Speaker 1: mean him and Lois. I love their you know, insane
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Speaker 1: like like the primal need for each other. I just
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Speaker 1: watched an episode where Frances gives Dewey the tip that
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Speaker 1: if he lights their vanilla candle, they won't be able
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Speaker 1: to not immediately start having sex and it's a way
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Speaker 1: to get out of trouble, and like it's it's just
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Speaker 1: it's really good. It's really and and oh, like I
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Speaker 1: watched the episode recently where Laurie Metcalf plays Lois's sister
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Speaker 1: and she like forces her to accept her kidney. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's I'm I'm really loving it. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I'll watch the sequel series because it just sounds.
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Speaker 2: It's only four episodes. It's it's like it's like a.
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Speaker 1: Special okay, because because that the rate I'm actually really
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Speaker 1: going I now I'm rationing myself, like I'm thinking about
16:50
Speaker 1: it as like like when you would like the way
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Speaker 1: that sitcoms are syndicated on TV, like I always would
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Speaker 1: watch like there would be a certain sitcom on every
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Speaker 1: week day from like five to six or from six
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Speaker 1: to seven. So like that's when I'm letting myself watch it,
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Speaker 1: like after I'm done for the day, but before I've
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Speaker 1: kind of settled into like what I'm doing or watching
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Speaker 1: for the night, I'll let myself watch an episode or two.
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Speaker 1: But I have a feeling I'll be finished with it
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Speaker 1: in its entirety by next week.
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Speaker 2: I I know I could talk to you about this
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Speaker 2: for like forty more minutes, but I have like one
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Speaker 2: other question. Is there another Is there a moment that
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Speaker 2: you can remember that made you laugh out loud? Like
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Speaker 2: I know so many exploding how really got you? And
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Speaker 2: also Hal's feeder kink really got you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, like any oh something that really
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Speaker 1: got me was. I watched an episode recently where where
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Speaker 1: Lois is battling Jamie because Jamie is starting to be evil,
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Speaker 1: and she flashes back to when Reese was a baby
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Speaker 1: and she used to be nice and how she like
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Speaker 1: learned to be mean.
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Speaker 3: I thought that was really funny.
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Speaker 1: There was a really good interaction between Lois and Reese's
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Speaker 1: like a CEO in the army where I was like
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Speaker 1: obsessed with what a good like commander she is and
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Speaker 1: how well she punishes her sons.
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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I there there.
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Speaker 1: I Usually, if I'm paying attention, I laugh out loud
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Speaker 1: at least once an episode.
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Speaker 2: No way, Okay, I'm gonna come over and watch more
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Speaker 2: with you probably, Okay, I I love this. You You've
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Speaker 2: you've had. You now have a piece of me that
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Speaker 2: Malcolm in the Middle. If you listen to the show,
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Speaker 2: you already know that Malcolm in the Middle is top
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Speaker 2: five cultural objects for me. It means a lot. I
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Speaker 2: love that show. Okay, Uh, well, honestly could talk about
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Speaker 2: it for so much longer, but and we'll have to
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Speaker 2: do a proper deep dive episode at some point. Yeah
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Speaker 2: we should.
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Speaker 2: our the catch up of things that have happened in
19:42
Speaker 2: culture and media, or just like personally, I went to
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Speaker 2: the Gucci show in Times Square.
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Speaker 1: We haven't talked about all the fab photos of you.
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Speaker 1: You looked incredible.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I honestly it was such a surprise. But
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Speaker 2: did you watch did you see photos of the show,
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Speaker 2: or like read stuff on the It was like all I.
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Speaker 3: Looked at some of the runway photos.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm not I have not thus
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Speaker 1: far been a huge fan of Demna's Gucci, and I
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Speaker 1: think this resort collection was specifically disappointing. And I thought
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Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff just kind of leaned into
20:22
Speaker 1: Demna's kind of hype beast fashion history. Like you can
20:28
Speaker 1: there are so many Gucci house codes that have nothing
20:32
Speaker 1: to do with like a horse bit for you to
20:34
Speaker 1: play with. I would love to see him dig in
20:37
Speaker 1: to more of like the tom Ford era or even
20:41
Speaker 1: like I know, we're we We're so the Alessandro era
20:45
Speaker 1: was is not that far away, but like especially for
20:47
Speaker 1: a resort collection, and like I feel like that has
20:49
Speaker 1: a place. I just like, I'm not obsessed with what
20:52
Speaker 1: Demna's doing so far. I'm like much more interested in
20:54
Speaker 1: like Jonathan Anderson a Dior, like Matthew Blasi at Chanel.
20:58
Speaker 1: So but but what was it like seeing the clothes
21:01
Speaker 1: in person, because I'm sure that was incredible.
21:04
Speaker 2: Well, so, first of all, I kind of am I
21:08
Speaker 2: I agree with you actually in terms of like the
21:11
Speaker 2: ideas that the clothes are presenting and Demna kind of
21:16
Speaker 2: putting his stake into the Gucci brand. I also felt
21:21
Speaker 2: on the level of designs underwhelmed for the Virgins if
21:26
Speaker 2: you're not aware. Like, the most abbreviated version is there
21:29
Speaker 2: is a designer named Demna who was like famously with
21:35
Speaker 2: uh created I think created Vetmove.
21:37
Speaker 3: Director Vemont, then went to Balenciaga.
21:41
Speaker 2: And he really got famous with Valenciaga and honestly created
21:45
Speaker 2: a completely new era for Balenciaga and.
21:49
Speaker 1: A kind of fashion person especially Balenciaga, you.
21:57
Speaker 2: Know, new archetype beasts.
21:59
Speaker 1: Are like you know, like we're talking like chunky sneakers,
22:05
Speaker 1: all pants, huge pants. It's it's wrap around wrap sunglasses.
22:10
Speaker 1: And also like the kind of the concept of fashion
22:13
Speaker 1: as like memes and fashion as like pop culture in
22:18
Speaker 1: a different way than it had really been.
22:20
Speaker 2: Before exactly, and especially if you live in in Brooklyn, girl,
22:24
Speaker 2: the Demna aesthetic is so permeanent across so many other
22:29
Speaker 2: trends in fashion.
22:30
Speaker 1: Because it's also so adjacent to like you know, Rick
22:33
Speaker 1: Owens Andla Mister honestly like Mars.
22:37
Speaker 3: A little bit easy. Yeah, it's it's very much in
22:40
Speaker 3: that world.
22:41
Speaker 2: I mean, Demna worked with Kanye at a certain point.
22:44
Speaker 3: But yeah.
22:45
Speaker 2: The the thing about Demna also, just as Rose said,
22:49
Speaker 2: is that he his work is often commentary on a
22:53
Speaker 2: certain kind of consumer and I think I think he
22:57
Speaker 2: does this really well. He's able to take the archetype
22:59
Speaker 2: of a customer, say at Balenciaga, a woman who's walking
23:03
Speaker 2: through Beverly Hills in trashy spandex and shopping bags and
23:08
Speaker 2: wrap sunglasses, and then he will elevate it and make
23:11
Speaker 2: it like a kind of aspirational character that you kind
23:15
Speaker 2: of want to be, or that it's almost like he
23:18
Speaker 2: will he can identify things that are tacky, or identify
23:21
Speaker 2: things that others might deem as like bad taste or debregeur,
23:25
Speaker 2: and then kind of turn it into fashion or art
23:27
Speaker 2: form in a way that I think is like people
23:30
Speaker 2: always like relegate them as like the ironic designer. I
23:33
Speaker 2: actually think he's very sincere and a very artful in
23:36
Speaker 2: how he kind of creates these archetypes.
23:39
Speaker 3: It's also very intellectual.
23:40
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a kind of trumploy which is
23:42
Speaker 1: like you know, like a garment that has been like
23:46
Speaker 1: painted or something to look like a real thing. Like
23:48
Speaker 1: he's very much in the idea of like things becoming
23:52
Speaker 1: like the truest, most kind of like hyper realized version
23:56
Speaker 1: of themselves. Like that's why he did so much stuff
23:59
Speaker 1: with like you know, like working with Crocs or doing
24:02
Speaker 1: like a bag, a like shoe box bag that is
24:06
Speaker 1: made out of real leather.
24:08
Speaker 3: You know. It's it's almost like there is like an
24:09
Speaker 3: overlap with.
24:10
Speaker 1: Like Jeremy Scott and Mosquino a little bit too. It's
24:14
Speaker 1: like it's a very kind of We'rehollyan way to.
24:18
Speaker 3: To like be in fashion.
24:21
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're Holly and in its commentary on consumerism,
24:26
Speaker 2: and and then also like very like dataist like douch
24:30
Speaker 2: Champ like the world the world is on fire, yeah,
24:36
Speaker 2: and so and so when he was appointed to Gucci,
24:39
Speaker 2: which is like obviously one of the most known, if
24:42
Speaker 2: not the most known luxury brand in the history of
24:46
Speaker 2: the world.
24:47
Speaker 1: I would say it's it's the I think in terms
24:50
Speaker 1: of name recognition and like ubiquitousness, it's Gucci.
24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:55
Speaker 2: And it is obviously like you're like, oh, how are
24:58
Speaker 2: these aesthetics going to come to together? Especially after Alessandro Michelle,
25:02
Speaker 2: the previous creative the creative director mostly known before him,
25:06
Speaker 2: who did something it was much more whimsical, much more fantastical,
25:09
Speaker 2: much more old worlds rather.
25:11
Speaker 3: Old and romantic romantic.
25:16
Speaker 2: How would that translate? And Demnah's previous collection that rose
25:19
Speaker 2: reference that was in the I think in February was
25:24
Speaker 2: very tom Ford era Gucci. It was sex, it was
25:28
Speaker 2: all black, it was really really tight outfits. It's hero
25:32
Speaker 2: and chic models. It's really nobody, not a single person
25:36
Speaker 2: who was above a size two on that runway or whatever. Yes,
25:42
Speaker 2: and to be honest, sorry, a lot of it just
25:45
Speaker 2: looks like his era at Balenciaga. I mean Balenciaga famously
25:49
Speaker 2: did a collaboration with Gucci. It was Gucciaga.
25:51
Speaker 3: I know I have a pair of sneakers. I need
25:54
Speaker 3: to sell them.
25:55
Speaker 2: You do need to sell them. It was kind of blasphemous,
25:59
Speaker 2: and I think the Gucciaga that he's making now, well,
26:03
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's clothes that I want to wear. Like.
26:07
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I think people can't take away
26:10
Speaker 2: from Demnat is that even if his he's not doing
26:14
Speaker 2: the oh art on the runway the way Alessandro might
26:18
Speaker 2: make like these huge, like ornate kind of like designs
26:22
Speaker 2: or things that are high color, things that look like paintings.
26:26
Speaker 2: He is making clothes that are staples. He's making clothes
26:30
Speaker 2: that people want to wear. He's making clothes that are
26:32
Speaker 2: decidedly cool and well even when they're Yes, he knows
26:36
Speaker 2: how to make a garment because you know, he did Blentz,
26:38
Speaker 2: he did a lot of Balenciaga couture shows, and you
26:42
Speaker 2: know that's so that was so much in the DNA
26:44
Speaker 2: of Balenciaga, like Crystu, Well, Balenciaga was so much about tailoring,
26:50
Speaker 2: and so he does know how to make a garment.
26:53
Speaker 3: I will give him that.
26:54
Speaker 2: And obviously, like buying out Times Square, like that's a gag, so.
27:00
Speaker 1: Insane, like how do you how does I'm just so
27:03
Speaker 1: I hope that there's like something written about it because
27:06
Speaker 1: I want to know how Like I saw Brenda Hashtag
27:10
Speaker 1: talking about this, like how do you sink all the
27:14
Speaker 1: billboards in Times Square?
27:15
Speaker 3: Like who do you even talk to to do that?
27:17
Speaker 2: Maybe with a lot of money. It's the most expensive
27:20
Speaker 2: marketing real estate on the planet. And yeah, it's just
27:24
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean I think Kathy Horn actually I
27:28
Speaker 2: think she wrote a little bit about the costs in
27:30
Speaker 2: her review if you want to check that out in
27:31
Speaker 2: New York, Maine, like Business of Fashion New York, it's
27:34
Speaker 2: in New York, Okay, probably with a cut, but something
27:37
Speaker 2: else I'll say is that if you are not familiar
27:41
Speaker 2: with the fashion world, google like Demna Balenciaga shows, and
27:45
Speaker 2: you will see that this man knows how to put
27:47
Speaker 2: on a fucking show, Like.
27:48
Speaker 1: There's not one that was like in a snow globe.
27:50
Speaker 1: And ye knowing that Kim Kardashian.
27:52
Speaker 2: Was in one of my favorite shows of all time easily.
27:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I mean, and he also like knows how
27:58
Speaker 1: to headlines. There was the whole Balenciaga Teddy Bear controversy
28:05
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that was so ridiculous.
28:07
Speaker 2: Oh I hated that, but the meaning I hated the
28:11
Speaker 2: sentiment around it. Obviously it was a stupid overset in
28:13
Speaker 2: Balenciaga's part. But I'll round out the conversation by saying that, like,
28:20
Speaker 2: I you know, to Rose's very first critique, the designs
28:24
Speaker 2: are really nothing new. It's actually like some of the
28:27
Speaker 2: silhouettes and items we're seeing are are like actually like
28:32
Speaker 2: things he either put down the runway in February or
28:35
Speaker 2: like things that he's kind of done in Balenciaga. And
28:39
Speaker 2: something that non fashion people should know is that he
28:46
Speaker 2: Demna is like has a the interesting task of needing
28:50
Speaker 2: to do something that everyone remembers and creates like intense virality,
28:54
Speaker 2: but also luxury as a business is like on a
28:58
Speaker 2: decline right now, like most luxury brands like peaked in
29:03
Speaker 2: the pandemic, and everyone's trying to come back to peak
29:06
Speaker 2: sales that existed in twenty twenty, and the luxury business
29:10
Speaker 2: is having a bit of a existential crisis about should
29:13
Speaker 2: we court China, should we court the TikToker gen Z consumer?
29:17
Speaker 2: Do we need to focus on the most boring consumers
29:19
Speaker 2: that are actually buying things in the literal store. And
29:24
Speaker 2: I think that what Demna is doing is trying to
29:27
Speaker 2: bridge all three in a way that remains to be
29:30
Speaker 2: seen as to whether it'll be effective or not. Well,
29:32
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out when the numbers come in.
29:35
Speaker 2: But the things he's putting down the runway I think
29:38
Speaker 2: are boring by design.
29:41
Speaker 3: Literally by design.
29:42
Speaker 2: Yes, And he in a press release, he said that
29:45
Speaker 2: a lot of the pieces he sent down in this
29:47
Speaker 2: Times Square show are foundational pieces that will be a
29:50
Speaker 2: part of the permanent Gucci collection. So it makes sense
29:53
Speaker 2: that a lot of the layering and the suits and
29:55
Speaker 2: the shirts and the tailoring that are like not anything
29:58
Speaker 2: crazy new that we've seen before might be a little
30:00
Speaker 2: boring because they need to be bought over and over
30:03
Speaker 2: and over again. Like I was with somebody who I
30:06
Speaker 2: went to the rec a with a Gucci customer and
30:10
Speaker 2: she literally bought like a very very nondescript pair of
30:15
Speaker 2: like twill cargo pants with an elastic waistband that she's
30:18
Speaker 2: going to wear on an airplane. Like you know what
30:21
Speaker 2: I mean, Like there's a certain kind of consumer that
30:23
Speaker 2: is buying these things, and so there's a lot that
30:27
Speaker 2: goes into what the Demna of it all means. And
30:30
Speaker 2: I personally, I mean, he did a look book called
30:34
Speaker 2: laf Amilia shortly after his appointment that was like not
30:38
Speaker 2: a runway collection, but still a collection and that had
30:42
Speaker 2: I think designs and baba voom. That made me excited
30:44
Speaker 2: about Demna's rain and I'm kind of ready for that again.
30:47
Speaker 2: I want, I want to see a huge idea on
30:51
Speaker 2: the design level that maybe nobody's gonna buy, but is
30:54
Speaker 2: exciting to the fashion world.
30:56
Speaker 1: I mean kind of what I'm waiting for the most
30:59
Speaker 1: with him, and I do think the closest we got
31:01
Speaker 1: to it was in that initial look book was a
31:05
Speaker 1: standout accessory like I think That's what Demna is so
31:09
Speaker 1: good at, you know, like you know, the the balenci
31:12
Speaker 1: Auga sneakers, reviving the Loca Goal bag or the City Bag,
31:18
Speaker 1: and you know, when that initial look book came out,
31:21
Speaker 1: they had they had a small run of pieces from
31:25
Speaker 1: it that were available in certain Gucci stores and there
31:28
Speaker 1: were some pieces like I even thought about, like investing
31:32
Speaker 1: in one of the Jackie bags because I really liked it.
31:35
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of waiting for him to have that
31:39
Speaker 1: moment where an actual piece of clothing breaks out of
31:43
Speaker 1: the show the way that like you know those weird
31:45
Speaker 1: half sandals did at the Chanel show, or like the
31:49
Speaker 1: Dior lily Pad shoes. Like, yes, he hasn't had his
31:53
Speaker 1: moment like that or something breaks containment and people are
31:58
Speaker 1: actually like fiending over a piece that they want to own.
32:02
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of interested to see when that happens.
32:06
Speaker 1: And the one thing I will say he's one other
32:10
Speaker 1: thing he's really good at is show invites and the
32:13
Speaker 1: people he gets there. Lady Bunny being there was such
32:17
Speaker 1: a gag that was like the main headline I took
32:20
Speaker 1: out of that show. Agreed and agree, that's fierce.
32:23
Speaker 2: He's really good at getting those kinds of people at
32:26
Speaker 2: his shows and keeping whatever brand he's with feeling like
32:30
Speaker 2: ground zero of cool girl. That is so like, I agree,
32:36
Speaker 2: Lady Bunny there, I was like, that is a perfect
32:38
Speaker 2: Demna has muses, and a lot of his muses are
32:41
Speaker 2: women of a certain age or they're these kind of
32:44
Speaker 2: like Kim Kardashian kind of celebrities that you love.
32:47
Speaker 1: Kim Kay and is a belle who pear those those
32:50
Speaker 1: are his muses.
32:51
Speaker 2: Well, he likes people that you love to hate, right
32:53
Speaker 2: like he like Tom Brady in the Runway or Paris
32:55
Speaker 2: Hills on the Runway. It makes sense to me as
32:57
Speaker 2: a Demna Gucci muse. But yeah, I I for me,
33:04
Speaker 2: it was all about Lady Bunny. I honestly think she
33:06
Speaker 2: needs to be in the next look book or the
33:08
Speaker 2: next I'm going to be. She needs to be in
33:10
Speaker 2: a campaign.
33:10
Speaker 3: I want to see.
33:11
Speaker 1: I want to walk into the town Center ball and
33:14
Speaker 1: bok ratone, Florida and see a huge poster of Lady
33:17
Speaker 1: Bunny posing with a Gucci bag.
33:19
Speaker 3: That would be so cunned.
33:22
Speaker 2: Yes, the first person over a size too that Dumna
33:25
Speaker 2: has worked with in years over a.
33:27
Speaker 3: Size double zero. Yeah, yeah, But.
33:32
Speaker 2: I know, Rosie, your point is so salient. He is
33:35
Speaker 2: like at Balenciaga, he was able to create viral clothing
33:40
Speaker 2: items and also like, honestly, I mean fashion historians will
33:44
Speaker 2: be able to nuance and argue with this, but like
33:46
Speaker 2: in like actual invention when it comes to a clothing item,
33:51
Speaker 2: like a clothing item that you really haven't seen before,
33:54
Speaker 2: and ten thousand percent second in your remark, there's so
33:58
Speaker 2: much more than the horsepit to fucking word with. I
34:00
Speaker 2: do not like the Gucci horsepit. I do not really
34:02
Speaker 2: want to wear it.
34:04
Speaker 3: I like it when it's used.
34:06
Speaker 1: Well, like I actually have a like a an evening
34:10
Speaker 1: bag in my real, real favorites right now that's like
34:15
Speaker 1: just like a long black leather eating bag with a
34:17
Speaker 1: huge horsepit on the front, and it's it's very chic.
34:21
Speaker 2: There was the yeah like that you obviously again it's
34:24
Speaker 2: just in term, but like the point the point of
34:27
Speaker 2: just like really innovating with the house coats is like
34:29
Speaker 2: something I really want to see.
34:31
Speaker 3: He had.
34:32
Speaker 2: The show was very bag for it. There was this
34:34
Speaker 2: bag that had the kind of what looks like the
34:37
Speaker 2: classic bamboo handle, but it's like a trumpluh and it's
34:41
Speaker 2: it's like actually made of leather. It's like not made
34:45
Speaker 2: of bamboo. It's like a leather bamboo handle. It's a
34:48
Speaker 2: bamboo shaped leather handle that I thought was like getting
34:52
Speaker 2: there to the degree of what we're looking for. There's
34:54
Speaker 2: like these heels that had a teeny tiny Gucci logo
34:57
Speaker 2: on the actual heel itself like as like a stud
35:01
Speaker 2: that I think is kind of cool, but like nothing
35:04
Speaker 2: is like feels like that. The like it's on the
35:08
Speaker 2: level of invention that Demna that we've seen from Demna,
35:12
Speaker 2: and it's honestly it's he set a really high bar
35:15
Speaker 2: for himself.
35:18
Speaker 3: Agreed. We are also a fashion podcast.
35:23
Speaker 2: I know. I'm like, I'm like what, Sorry, I just
35:27
Speaker 2: froze because I thought my a computer froze. Yeah. I
35:30
Speaker 2: I literally loved that conversation. Sorry to the virgins if
35:35
Speaker 2: you're not a fashion head, but please let us I
35:38
Speaker 2: hope we actually contextually the conversation. If you don't consume
35:41
Speaker 2: fashion well enough, this is like a virgin after all. Okay,
35:46
Speaker 2: wait from our agenda, what other things do we want
35:49
Speaker 2: to I mean, we have to talk about John Travolta
35:52
Speaker 2: in this fucking hat.
35:53
Speaker 3: Yeah? Did we did?
35:55
Speaker 1: We mention it on last week's episode because I feel like, Okay,
35:58
Speaker 1: it hadn't happened yet. Okay, okay, yeah you must have
36:03
Speaker 1: seen by now John Travolta wearing his fuck ass Kangle
36:07
Speaker 1: hat on various red carpets a can, which is still.
36:13
Speaker 3: Happening right now. I again, this is not a visual medium, but.
36:20
Speaker 2: There's a lot of meaning if you haven't seen.
36:22
Speaker 3: Has never looked more like a chaser.
36:25
Speaker 2: Yes, And it also is like it's a chaser slash,
36:29
Speaker 2: like it's giving stealth white supremacist is what it's giving
36:33
Speaker 2: to me, Like.
36:33
Speaker 3: There's something stealth about it.
36:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like if you you're wearing this
36:39
Speaker 2: like item that Like when I first saw the photos,
36:42
Speaker 2: I thought it was like a like a ha haul
36:45
Speaker 2: French beret, but it is. It's not. It's like a
36:49
Speaker 2: British military hat and like that, I'm like, that's just
36:52
Speaker 2: is a completely different vibe. But he is giving Chaser,
36:54
Speaker 2: he looks really gay.
36:56
Speaker 1: He's giving Fedora Tipper. He's giving, you know, milady, He's giving.
37:03
Speaker 2: He's giving like like sixty sixty year old lesbian that
37:09
Speaker 2: lives in like Asbury Park or like Palm Springs, like.
37:14
Speaker 1: It's very Palm Springs. It's also very Fort Lauderdale.
37:17
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he's just gay. He's sooyay.
37:21
Speaker 2: He's a gay guy.
37:22
Speaker 3: And he's also a woman. He's our mother.
37:25
Speaker 2: So is in? Is he in a movie? And can?
37:29
Speaker 3: I don't know.
37:29
Speaker 1: He was there with his daughter, so I think he
37:33
Speaker 1: is in a movie or maybe a TV show because
37:36
Speaker 1: TV show is also premiere at can, which is weird.
37:40
Speaker 2: Googled John Travolta Can in an effort to find out
37:43
Speaker 2: which film he's associated with, and every single headline is
37:47
Speaker 2: about his quote daring New Look. Well, every single headline.
37:52
Speaker 3: It is daring.
37:54
Speaker 2: Uh you know what funny?
37:55
Speaker 1: I actually would love a John Travolta renaissance. Maybe he
37:58
Speaker 1: could be on the next season of a TV show
38:00
Speaker 1: I just started watching that I wanted to recommend because
38:03
Speaker 1: I brought it up last week as something that I
38:05
Speaker 1: was interested in. I watched two episodes of Widow's Bay
38:09
Speaker 1: on Apple TV. I got a free Apple TV like
38:13
Speaker 1: trial with something I bought at Target, so I was like, okay,
38:17
Speaker 1: why not, and I yeah, I mentioned it last week,
38:22
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to check in and say I'm
38:24
Speaker 1: really enjoying it so far.
38:25
Speaker 3: It's a. It's an Apple TV.
38:27
Speaker 1: It's an Apple TV show starring Matthew Reese from The Americans.
38:31
Speaker 1: I've actually I know that people love him. I've never
38:33
Speaker 1: watched The Americans. I don't think I've seen anything he's
38:36
Speaker 1: been in before. He's a very good actor. It was
38:40
Speaker 1: created by Katie Dippold, who I guess was a writer
38:43
Speaker 1: on Parks and rec for a really long time. So
38:47
Speaker 1: the conceit of it, it's it's a horror comedy, and
38:52
Speaker 1: it's about this small island town that sort of like
38:58
Speaker 1: wants to be the next Martha's Vineyard. Matthew Reese plays
39:01
Speaker 1: the mayor of the town who is trying to revitalize
39:04
Speaker 1: the town and bring in all this tourism. But the
39:07
Speaker 1: town is cursed. So all these spooky things are happening,
39:11
Speaker 1: and this mayor is cut up in all of them,
39:13
Speaker 1: but he's also trying to like deny that they're happening.
39:17
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the conceit is almost like
39:20
Speaker 1: what if the mayor from Jaws was the protagonist of Jaws,
39:24
Speaker 1: you know, like the guy who's being like everything's fine
39:27
Speaker 1: and nothing's going on here was the one that all
39:31
Speaker 1: the spooky shit was happening too. It's like a lot
39:34
Speaker 1: of character actors. It has a really cozy, small town feel.
39:39
Speaker 1: It has moments of really good spookiness. It made me
39:43
Speaker 1: scared of a clown for the first time since I
39:45
Speaker 1: watched the first It movie in twenty sixteen.
39:49
Speaker 2: Really, and now I'm I want to watch it. Yeah,
39:53
Speaker 2: I can't watch it alone.
39:55
Speaker 1: It's it's not that scary. It has moments of spook,
39:58
Speaker 1: but it's more it's really funny, but it's not horror comedy,
40:04
Speaker 1: like in the way Scary Movie was. Now that you've
40:06
Speaker 1: seen Scary Movie, it's like the horror and the spook
40:11
Speaker 1: are given kind of equal weight and like support each other.
40:16
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean two episodes in.
40:17
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's my favorite show of all time,
40:20
Speaker 1: but I'm really enjoying it, and I do recommend watching
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Speaker 1: it if you're interested.
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Speaker 2: I just might. Is it as like so I saw
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Speaker 2: that the because of it? It's the park It Parks
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Speaker 2: and Red Creator. Is it like that level of comedy?
40:38
Speaker 2: Is it? Like?
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Speaker 1: No, like Singers, there's a lot of really funny moments
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Speaker 1: where they play with the horror. Like there's like a
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Speaker 1: you know, like a throwaway joke about how you know this,
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Speaker 1: there's like a goat. In the second episode, the guy
40:56
Speaker 1: has to spend the night in this haunted hotel and
40:58
Speaker 1: they're like yeah, like they're telling him about all the
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Speaker 1: different ghosts he can kind of summon. He's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you go into this bathroom and say this woman's
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Speaker 1: name three times, like she'll turn up and look sternly
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Speaker 1: at you. And the guy's like, it seems like all
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Speaker 1: of these curses are very misogynistic. It's like it's like
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Speaker 1: that it's not necessarily like it's not it's a hahaa,
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Speaker 1: but it's like it's.
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Speaker 3: More like when you do your LaToya laugh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's LaToya laughing a little chuckle. It's very
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Speaker 1: Why can a man laugh but a woman has to chuckle?
41:35
Speaker 1: Like you're a woman and you have to chuckle when
41:37
Speaker 1: you watch the show. He or like, huh, that was funny,
41:42
Speaker 1: you know, like you say that was funny instead of laughing, Yeah,
41:46
Speaker 1: that was funny. It's like, well, how funny was it then?
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Speaker 1: If you didn't laugh.
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Speaker 2: That was so funny. That was so funny. My god,
41:55
Speaker 2: I'm dying TfL loll I. I'm like, I haven't like
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Speaker 2: really consumed a ton of content outside of what we've discussed.
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Speaker 2: I will say that I am collecting some thoughts about
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Speaker 2: Euphoria that I'll share in a future episode, maybe when
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Speaker 2: the show when when this season finishes, Rose isn't watching Euphoria,
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Speaker 2: But I think there's there are things in the show
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Speaker 2: that I think are still interest us, both that I'll
42:33
Speaker 2: want to talk about. I am.
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Speaker 1: I am interested in its place and culture, and and
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Speaker 1: like kind of the closest I want to get to
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Speaker 1: it is hearing you.
42:42
Speaker 3: Talk about it. So I am interested in that.
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Speaker 2: And also you were a fan of like what the
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Speaker 2: first episode, like the first couple episodes the first season, Yeah,
42:53
Speaker 2: like undeniably a show that defined an era and a
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Speaker 2: maybe even a generator, and.
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Speaker 1: It's very fascinating. Like I realized, I was watching some
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Speaker 1: reel of some makeup creator I follow, and she was
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Speaker 1: doing makeup with like half Magic, which is the makeup
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Speaker 1: brand created by Donnie Davey, who's the Euphoria makeup artist.
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Speaker 3: Some of their stuff is really good.
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of it, actually, But there was
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Speaker 1: this makeup creator who I follow, and she was using
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Speaker 1: that stuff to do a look and talking about how
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Speaker 1: about how much she loves euphoria, and I was like,
43:31
Speaker 1: oh right, Like this girl is young enough that euphoria
43:34
Speaker 1: was probably like the thing that got her into makeup
43:36
Speaker 1: as a teenager. Like it's been on that long now
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Speaker 1: that it is like a like it is a phone dation.
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Speaker 1: It's a load bearing wall in people's personalities and like
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Speaker 1: media consumption and understanding of themselves, which is crazy to me.
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Speaker 2: It is really great. I mean it makes me feel
43:55
Speaker 2: obviously old as fuck.
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Speaker 3: Especially because I hear that the quality is shit from
43:59
Speaker 3: a book.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't, well, there's it's definitely not. It's definitely just
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Speaker 2: really really really pales in comparison to the first two seasons.
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Speaker 2: But we'll talk about it. Yeah, I'm it is just
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Speaker 2: one of those era defining shows, and I think it's
44:16
Speaker 2: it's uh, I guess maybe it's too It might be
44:21
Speaker 2: too much of an oversimplify oversimplification to say the show
44:25
Speaker 2: has fallen from Grace. But it's definitely a pretty different
44:30
Speaker 2: show in its third season. And some of those reasons
44:34
Speaker 2: that it's a different are consequence of what sounds like
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Speaker 2: actor interpersonal drama and drama with like I don't know,
44:43
Speaker 2: the trope of the brilliant jerk, you know what I mean? Like,
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Speaker 2: and I think what.
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Speaker 3: Hards you will answer for your crimes one day?
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Speaker 2: Yes, like sorry, like you, I just think less and less,
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Speaker 2: Like an industry is willing to reward a brilliant jerk.
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Speaker 2: But well, actually, let me not say, let me not
45:03
Speaker 2: give credit to the industry, but let me say, at
45:04
Speaker 2: least in this scenario, people were tired of working with him.
45:09
Speaker 3: But he's you know what, He's still making the money.
45:11
Speaker 2: He's still making the money.
45:12
Speaker 3: Still, you know, got the biggest show on TV.
45:16
Speaker 2: Like with our last like ten minutes or so, Rose Incentive,
45:23
Speaker 2: I is talking about a few things that are coming
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Speaker 2: out this summer that we're excited about. I think we
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Speaker 2: might continue, like in future episodes talking about like summer preview.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get kind of like a bird's
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Speaker 1: eye view on some of the things I'm excited about
45:38
Speaker 1: over the next couple of months. I will say this
45:41
Speaker 1: was sparked because I just got my confirmation that I
45:45
Speaker 1: have been invited to the list at one night only concert,
45:50
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I also got access to all
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Speaker 1: the screeners of the upcoming season, which I haven't started yet,
45:58
Speaker 1: but I'm very excited about are you gonna watch some
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Speaker 1: ahead I am, I like, I don't want to because
46:04
Speaker 1: I do love watching along with everyone as it's coming out,
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Speaker 1: but I you have to for work. I have to
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Speaker 1: for work. And also just like they're sitting in my inbox,
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Speaker 1: like I can't not watch. I'm like so interested in
46:20
Speaker 1: what this season is going to be.
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Speaker 2: Like, yes, you're like an alcoholic with a bottle of
46:25
Speaker 2: tequila in your drawer, like you're gonna take the bottle.
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Speaker 1: Out, and like I will be watching live as the
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Speaker 1: episodes roll out. I'm sure we'll be talking about the
46:34
Speaker 1: show here even even if Fran doesn't decide to watch it,
46:37
Speaker 1: like I'll give little little updates. It won't be overwhelming,
46:40
Speaker 1: cause I.
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Speaker 3: Feel like I have to.
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Speaker 2: I can't week after week listen to you talk about
46:44
Speaker 2: the show without context.
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Speaker 3: You've got to watch it.
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Speaker 1: Also, like you only watched season one, and I do
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Speaker 1: think that some of the issues you had with the
46:51
Speaker 1: show around like it's pacing and that kind of stuff
46:57
Speaker 1: are and like the the maybe old high meinus of
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Speaker 1: it are less present in season two.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, Okay, well we'll see, we'll see. I don't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the new season you have the new season
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Speaker 1: comes out starts airing on AMC on June seventh, so
47:15
Speaker 1: if you want to catch up, you have a couple
47:16
Speaker 1: of weeks FRAN listeners. Also, in terms of TV, the
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Speaker 1: next season of House of the Dragon comes back towards
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Speaker 1: the end of June. One of the things I'm most
47:26
Speaker 1: interested in this season is the transactress Abigail Thorne, who
47:33
Speaker 1: I know from Philosophy Tube, who I think her character
47:36
Speaker 1: will have a much more prominent role this season, and
47:38
Speaker 1: I'm just like very interested to see what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen with a transactress in like the biggest one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest shows of the year, in such a like
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Speaker 1: major role, like not even necessarily about whether she's good
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Speaker 1: or not, but like what.
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Speaker 3: The conversation kicks up around it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also like, I mean, I sincerely doubt it,
47:59
Speaker 2: but like, will they make the character canonically trans or will.
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Speaker 1: She be he said, I think she's I think I
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Speaker 1: think she says I think she's already confirmed that.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And then like I also there was okay, wait,
48:14
Speaker 2: this is like extremely extremely unverified hearsay, but there was
48:19
Speaker 2: was there not an actor, a child actor who was
48:25
Speaker 2: cast into a role of the next season of Game
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Speaker 2: of Thrones. Who was trans Like, yes, it was like
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Speaker 2: rumored that he was trans that.
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Speaker 1: I believe the actor who's playing Darron is the youngest,
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Speaker 1: the youngest son of Alison.
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Speaker 3: Uh and.
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Speaker 1: What was his name, visiis it's Charlie Gordon. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: he who has not that it's a character that has
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Speaker 1: not been seen on the series yet and is making
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Speaker 1: his first appearance in this season. He is, yeah, played
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Speaker 1: by a transactor. He also, I know, has a really
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Speaker 1: cool dragon that I think is.
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Speaker 3: Maybe like rainbow colored.
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Speaker 2: Oh really.
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Speaker 1: But also the dragons are much more colorful in the
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Speaker 1: books than they are in the show, because, like you know,
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Speaker 1: all fantasy stuff nowadays everything is like so bleak and
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Speaker 1: like nothing's colorful and like things are. Everything is very
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Speaker 1: colorful in a Song of Ice and Fire. It's like
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Speaker 1: kind of the whole point.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited for it. I'm so excited for that show.
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Speaker 1: In terms of movies, I would say I'm really excited
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Speaker 1: for the new Scary movie coming on on June fifth.
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Speaker 3: And Virgins.
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Speaker 2: We're giving you a preview of things we will eventually discuss,
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Speaker 2: so like if you want to, like, we'll always contextualize
49:43
Speaker 2: it for you, but like if you want to follow
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Speaker 2: along and take the like a virgin curriculum, like we're
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Speaker 2: starting to preview it for you here. But yeah, I didn't.
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Speaker 3: I'm not.
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Speaker 2: Now that I've seen Original Scary Movie, I don't care
49:58
Speaker 2: about this film. I mean maybe it's a very like
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Speaker 2: contemporary like you kind of to me, the Original Scary
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Speaker 2: Movie feels like a kind of you had to be there.
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Speaker 3: I think movie.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I just think because there's it's been gone
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Speaker 1: long enough that there's so many years of horror cinema
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Speaker 1: for them to play with.
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Speaker 3: And I've been really.
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Speaker 1: I've been really excited so far about the stuff that
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Speaker 1: they're teasing, like the fact that Regina Hall is doing
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Speaker 1: a ma thing, you know, like their their work. They're
50:31
Speaker 1: pulling from the right things, and I'm very excited to
50:34
Speaker 1: see what they're gonna do. Yes, we've also got Disclosure Day,
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Speaker 1: the new Steven Spielberg movie coming out on June twelfth,
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Speaker 1: with Emily Blunt and Josh O'Connor. I love a Stephen
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Speaker 1: King summer blockbuster like Stephen King and Aliens, or of
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Speaker 1: the World's Honey.
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Speaker 3: I'm there.
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Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with this at all, but now I am,
50:56
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna watch it.
50:57
Speaker 1: And then for music, you know you got a cup
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Speaker 1: albums coming out ari Ariana Grande's Pedal in July July thirty.
51:06
Speaker 1: First before that, we'll get Olivia Rodrigoz You pretty. You
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Speaker 1: seem pretty sad for a girl so in love on
51:13
Speaker 1: June twelfth. I wasn't like obsessed with the first single
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Speaker 1: now in the way that I have been with all
51:20
Speaker 1: of Olivia Rodrigue's other singles. Yeah, but like I really
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Speaker 1: like her. I'll listen to the album. Madonna's Confessions two
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Speaker 1: comes out in I'm assuming June because of Pride.
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Speaker 2: I actually, oh yeah, no, it's definitely June. Yeah, we
51:40
Speaker 2: will definitely be talking about that album. Well, we'll be
51:43
Speaker 2: talking about the original Confessions album in addition to this
51:47
Speaker 2: album probably at length.
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Speaker 1: You should get really stoned and watch the Confessions tour
51:54
Speaker 1: on YouTube.
51:55
Speaker 2: I've actually never seen it.
51:57
Speaker 3: It's so good.
51:58
Speaker 1: I have always said that if I had a time machine,
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Speaker 1: my first stop would be going back to see the
52:02
Speaker 1: Confessions tour. I mine, I said this before, but mine
52:07
Speaker 1: would be the Monster Ball, which you have seen.
52:10
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess like I would kill Hitler.
52:14
Speaker 2: Yes, right, I would kill Hitler. Uh are you are
52:18
Speaker 2: you excited about Spider Man? Oh?
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Speaker 3: I forgot that Spider Man was coming out.
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Speaker 2: Spider Man's coming out.
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Speaker 1: It's just very hard to get excited about anything Marvel,
52:28
Speaker 1: I think, like I agree.
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Speaker 2: Also, this film was bumped quite a few times. We've
52:33
Speaker 2: been kind of the rug has been pulled under us
52:34
Speaker 2: a few times.
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Speaker 1: I'm not excited about any of the big franchise stuff really,
52:38
Speaker 1: Like I love Star Wars, I don't care about the
52:40
Speaker 1: Mandalorian and grogu at all.
52:43
Speaker 2: I know, I what will you ever pick it up?
52:46
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I'll go back and watch the
52:48
Speaker 1: show because with the Star Wars shows like my I
52:52
Speaker 1: don't watch all of them, and all this the only
52:54
Speaker 1: things I have watched. Like, if I'm not engaged within
52:58
Speaker 1: the first couple episodes, I just abandon it. It's like
53:01
Speaker 1: there's too much content for me to watch everything. And
53:05
Speaker 1: I'm much more of an I'm much more of an
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Speaker 1: and Or girl, and Or one of the best TV
53:09
Speaker 1: shows of today, one of the best TV shows ever made.
53:14
Speaker 1: I'm much more of an Andreor girl than a Mandalorian girl.
53:17
Speaker 1: But I love seeing Pedro Pascal. I saw a real
53:22
Speaker 1: of him surprising people at Disneyland. He was in the
53:25
Speaker 1: Mandalorian suit and like took his helmet off. I would
53:27
Speaker 1: literally kill everyone in the vicinity so that no one's,
53:33
Speaker 1: no one's eyes could see him, but mine.
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Speaker 2: I I absolutely I would do the same, or maybe
53:40
Speaker 2: I would watch you do the same. But yeah, to
53:42
Speaker 2: your point, we could share him. I know we have
53:45
Speaker 2: to to rap, but I definitely I don't know. I
53:47
Speaker 2: don't think we'll be discussing that the Spider Man movie.
53:50
Speaker 2: I have no desire to discuss Mandalorian. I don't care
53:52
Speaker 2: about Mawana Toy Story five Supergirl.
53:55
Speaker 1: Like I kind of care about Supergirl because I did
53:58
Speaker 1: like the Superman.
53:59
Speaker 2: Movie right, it was good. But I will say something
54:03
Speaker 2: that we did not mention is Jane Sconin Brun. I
54:09
Speaker 2: can't remember. I don't remember how Dane tm brom there
54:13
Speaker 2: Jane Lol. Their next film, Teenage Sex and Death at
54:18
Speaker 2: cat Miasma, starring Hannah Yanbinder and Jillian Anderson. I'm very
54:25
Speaker 2: excited about it.
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Speaker 1: It got raves from can Everyone I know who's seen
54:30
Speaker 1: it loves it. I'm very excited.
54:35
Speaker 2: I won't hold my breath because can also loved Amelia Press.
54:39
Speaker 2: That's true, but I am excited for it regardless because
54:45
Speaker 2: I love.
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Speaker 1: Jane and the one summer preview item we didn't mention,
54:51
Speaker 1: uh is I guess now are our sign off of
54:54
Speaker 1: the show. So if you can't love yourself, how are
54:58
Speaker 1: you gonna stop that fuck if you bought?
55:01
Speaker 3: If you can't love.
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Speaker 2: Yourself, how the hell you gotta stop that train coming
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Speaker 2: to theaters June twelve. That's really hard to do remotely.
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Speaker 3: Bye Bye,