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The Turmoil of LSU Football: A Deep Dive · JustIN Time

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All right, welcome in and welcome back.
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Sir. You got a lot of stuff to talk
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about. And I know you've been waiting
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on this. I know you've been waiting, man.
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Yeah, I'm ready. But I know you've been waiting.
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Oh, I just got the pop up too. Oh, yeah, You know, it's
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serious. A little live.
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Yeah, you know, it's serious. We're live doing this today.
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Yes, I mean some some stuff in life is just urgent.
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But I said but but I'm not we don't you don't waste time.
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So that's why we need you on these.
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That's why we need you on social media.
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I've been keeping quiet on everything I.
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Know, I know. Look what to say.
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I've been trying to quiet because I don't want to, you
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know? You know how people are.
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Listen, there's one one thing. Take it a step at a time.
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A step at a time. All right, So LSU.
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My beloved Tigers better going. On At one point this weekend I
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thought I had died and gone to hell.
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Well, glad you didn't. You got time to make heaven.
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But. Yeah, solely just because we
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haven't lost the Vandy since we've been alive.
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You 90, they know like a Hail Mary, like we exploited on the
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Hail Mary, but it's called back or something like that.
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It was, if I remember correctly, but nonetheless, in our lifetime
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people were born in 93. Yeah, we just haven't seen it.
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Haven't seen it ever and it shouldn't have happened.
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Shame on Brian Kelly for letting it happen.
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And it's in my very humble opinion, I might not always be
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right. I think it's time for Brian
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Kelly to pack his bags and get going.
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Don't let the door you know. A lot of, I know a lot of people
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have that take right now. I know you said, you know, BK
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goes to PK. I remember you said that in the
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all season, Yeah. It's.
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BK going to BK. I think it's time think he needs
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to get out of here and go do something with his life.
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Maybe stay away from coaching for a little while.
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Like in the booth or even on the show?
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I don't know. I don't care.
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Just get out of my. Get out of my.
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City out of my city. This is our city.
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Get out. We don't want you here.
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We'll let you. We'll call you back when we get
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checked in the mail. No time sooner.
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No time later. We'll let you know, though.
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We'll let you know you Chuck will be in the mail.
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We ain't got to pay. We ain't got to pay him, you
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know, outright. I know you said obviously
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starts, everything starts at the top.
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I know when you had text me earlier this week, you know, you
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gave me 4 questions, you know, say what changes did the team
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needs to make? Is the team still in control?
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Can the season be saved? And last but not least, should
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LSU following Penn State's lead and fire Brian Kelly before he
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ruins us even more? I guess we could just start off
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with at the top. You know, you first asked me
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what changes. I don't know.
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You said we could work. We could work to BK in a little
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bit. But I know you said that first,
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You know, fire Joe Sloan. And you know, it's interesting
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you have brought that up because, you know, a former
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Tiger that talked about the same thing.
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Yeah. Brady for Hoko to get rid of
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him. Get rid of him.
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LSU wins the national championship if we fire Joe
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Sloan that. Was the earliest season.
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And you know, they had other stuff up this week.
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They come out people making fun of Joe Sloan, rightfully so of
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what was it they said? Oh, the play calling video, Did
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I send you that? Yeah.
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Down 33rd and 23rd, 3rd and 23. We got running drops so bad
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right now. People are resorting back
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Louisiana. People are resorting back to
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Hoodoo and Voodoo. That's a little there you go.
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Like you don't need to resort to demonic things.
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But here's the thing, Here's the thing.
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The The thing is, when we talk about Joe Stone, I think about I
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go back to Mad House from two years ago, you know, just like
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we always talked about, you know, what LSU has become, you
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know, growing up, you know, they've been they built their
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legacy on defensive and like smashing out football and
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offense. And you know, but in the last
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five, 5 or so years, they really change their philosophy, which I
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have no issue with because, you know, growing up during the
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Brian Kelly era, you know, this long, I mean Les Miles era, it
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was long overdue, even with great teams, even just very
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rigid and I was a big fan of his.
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But it's stuff needed to change on that philosophy, which it
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did, you know, we seen in 2019, of course, 2023.
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If we have a competent, remotely competent defense two years ago,
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you know, we be and play for a national title.
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Not to say we win, of course, but you put you can only put
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yourself in position now bring up Matt House, because at the 2
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after two years, you know, they they had they cut bait with them
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because, and we had talked about this last week, you just cannot
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keep your job when you have an historic offense and you can't
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even your job is easy, you know, but team sports is so
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complimentary and you got to have that balance.
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You have to be special on both sides.
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That's unrealistic. I don't.
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I'm not asking for unrealistic, I'm asking for a little help.
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You just have to be able to help your strong suit right now.
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Our strong will after this weekend.
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I don't know, but definitely better than offense.
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You have to help the other side of the ball.
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Robin Kelly always talks about complimentary football.
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I don't know if he knows what the word complimentary means
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because he says a lot of stuff that in everybody else watching
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it is like you're not watching the same thing week in and week
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out. Like, remember when he called a
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spoiled after the Florida game? There was a clip.
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I sent you this clip. But when Nick Saban was at LSU,
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they had one and it was ugly. And he said, am I happy about
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the outcome? Yeah.
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But if we're going to talk about the process on how we got this
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outcome, absolutely not. We need to be better.
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Yeah, I remember. You send it to me and it's it's
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a powerful message because Nick Saban has talked about this even
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long after he's gone as a coach. So, you know, it's obviously
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winning. The main objective is it always
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beats the alternative of losing. But when you consider you can't
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keep getting away with being lucky and timely and and it's
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important to really establish that.
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And that's why I said earlier this year, you know, even when
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we struggle with tech, I said, listen, less than 25 points at
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home against tech. I understand you know, you just
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came off an emotional win on the road, but you should at least
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pull away at at at the crib. Exactly.
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Van Buren's debut shouldn't have been in the Southeastern game.
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It should have been in the tech. You know Speaking of Joe Kwong,
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one of my Co workers sons played college football at tech when
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Sloan was at tech and told his mom that the same reason why
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just Sloan is a failure. My words, not hers.
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But it's because he keeps running same exact type of
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offense. He doesn't change.
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He'll run the draw on 3rd and 24th and 30.
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He'll throw a wide receiver screen 3 yards behind the line
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of scrimmage because he thinks there's a chance to break out
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and go down the field. Yeah, it's just and what like I
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said, what makes it frustrating, like going back two years is
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just you don't have to be spectacular the whole way
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through. I mean, because you already have
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one side, the ball that carrying the team, Matt Houston had to be
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spectacular. Just be I'm not, I'm not
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advocating people being average in life, but it's just called
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what it is. Your job is not as hard when you
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have an elite offense on as a defensive coordinator and vice
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versa. This year.
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I know they had they know the defense LinkedIn egg.
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I mean, but consider they've carried this team all year.
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We wouldn't be in, we wouldn't have been in the top 10 without
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them. Make no mistake, when you look
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at our talent, we are not mediocre on offense.
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At all. Not at all.
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What's holding us back? And I saw Matt Mistoner posted a
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video. I don't know when he posted it,
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but he was saying maybe Brian Kelly should take over the play
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calling. He's done it before.
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He had to step back when he was at Notre Dame, but he's done it
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before. Maybe he does, maybe he does.
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Then maybe we can get both of those clowns out of that because
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look, people can say what they want to say about LSU paying
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that buy up. They'll pay it.
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If we go 6:00 and 6:00 here, they will pay the $50,000,000
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because you don't have to pay it all at once.
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You can pay it in installments and they will get rid of Brian
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Kelly and no one will lose sleep at night.
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His culture doesn't fit here. You know, if he was winning, it
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would be one thing, but he's not winning.
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He's losing the teams that we haven't lost to in 35 years,
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historically bad teams. It's time to make a change.
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You have all the talent on offense in the world.
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You're too stubborn to make a change on the offensive coaching
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staff mid season. It's going to cost you your job.
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I mean, a lot of that stuff we said last week about Joe Salon.
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I was just joking. Now I'm dead serious.
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You know, it's no leading into that.
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You know, we talked about is LSU still in control?
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And I kind of just morphed into one question.
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They're still in control. Like can this season be saved?
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You know, I'm looking at this remaining schedule.
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So as of right now, we're we're we're five and two.
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So like you said, so we just lost the van on the road and got
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a big game against A&M this this evening.
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I mean, like this coming Saturday evening, got the bye
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week. And of course, Alabama at home
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against Arkansas at home against Western Kentucky.
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And we end the year in Norman, OK against the Sooners on the
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road. So you know, it was interesting,
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you know, my family that we were talking about a few days ago,
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like what's the romantic wins and losses for the team?
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Like just realistically, do you have any what if your remaining
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win total? So you know, we're we're seven
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games in, so we got 5 for what you got.
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So, and that's Kentucky Western. Kentucky, I'm going to be
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honest. Yeah, go ahead.
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Watch Arkansas play against Texas A&M and I've watched them
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play against Texas A&M and Tennessee.
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They will. If we can't put up points on
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offense, it doesn't matter how good our defense is.
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Our offense can't stay on the field for longer than three and
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out. We're done.
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We're going to lose the Arkansas.
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It's an 11 AM game and a trap game.
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You know the defense can keep you in a lot of games lately,
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but when you have guys like Witweeks is out again this week
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probably. Yeah.
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He's still in a boot. He's probably out again this
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week If your defense cannot contain a running quarterback
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that destroyed you in 1/2 last year.
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And I mean Diego Pavia hate that guy, but he Muffy not I don't
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hate him because he just you know, how do I say this?
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I don't hate him because he like talent.
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I hate him because he, I don't know if this is true or not, you
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know, but his apparently his attorneys are trying to get him
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a 7th year. That's what's wrong with college
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football these days. You know, it's too much playing
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your 4-5 years. You want your 6th or 7th year.
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You know, I don't like it. I really don't.
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When you when you get to like 6-7 plus, you know.
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And should not be playing with 18 to 20 year olds.
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You will play. You won't be a grown man and go
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play with 18 and 20 year olds. Go to the NFL.
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Right in the way. I'm fine if you got a early like
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a early birthday and you just wait your turn and you play and
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you know, 2223, you hit that 2425 mark 6 thinking let's see
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how old he is. Let's see.
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I don't have my computer on me. I mean, I got my computer on me,
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but it's 24. He's, you know, make sure if he
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plays again, he'll be 25 for Vandy.
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Time to go. You go get a job.
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You in vain. Are you smart enough?
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You getting a good degree awarded job.
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Armor to the South, the skin bails like the color.
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They shouldn't be running a Walker on the field for you to
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walk across the field, walk this sideline, you know, all in gym
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there like like 5-6 years, maybe 10 years younger than us and
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they're retiring because their bodies can't take it no more.
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It's time for the it's time for time for Povia to pack it up.
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Them college kids, you know, leave them 18/19/20 year olds
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alone. Go play in the NFL.
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If you want to keep playing, you know, move on.
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Yeah, whether, yeah, whether, whether the Povia Mafia is here
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in the SEC or not, you know, just, we still got to go out and
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play these games. You know, just going back to
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your original question about, you know, the schedule, to be
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honest with you, I will say the greatest case scenario, they,
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they only lose 2 more. I say greatest case scenario to
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go 8 and four. And I'll be honest with you, I
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would say, looking at the schedule, I can go back to there
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we go. I, I'm going to say, listen,
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they need, they're desperate for a win at home.
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They, they need that crowd. I'm going to say we beat Texan
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A&M. And I say that largely because
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every and I get every year is different.
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You know, trans do carry typically if we can beat Johnny
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Manziel, who can't a year removed from winning the Heisman
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with Mike Evans, who's going to be in the Hall of Fame.
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So if we could beat them, we we could beat that tandem.
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We could beat this tandem. Yeah.
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So it's like and like like say, I know it's it's not, I know
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it's not apple to apples. They still, A&M still hasn't
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beaten us in Baton Rouge since they've been in the conference.
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Yeah. Alabama, even with the bye week,
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I think we lose. They've just been a team.
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Arkansas, I see that as a win for us because they just, they
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just can't stop anybody. And I mean, they're going to be
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a tough, another tough out for our defence.
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But I just feel like we can make enough plays.
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And given the time and offensive line, I just, I really just
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don't trust Arkansas's defence. KU is a layup and I said we end
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the season with the loss of Norman, but it's like the best
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Oklahoma team I've seen in a while.
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As optimistic as you I got. Not many people are.
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I I hate it because you're right, history plays into it.
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They haven't won here in forever and they're also coming off a
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$50,000 fine because they tried to pull their best Lane Kiffin.
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Lane Kiffin didn't even break the Lane Kiffin rule yet.
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You know, Lane Kiffin's famous for that.
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They didn't even break Lane Kiffin.
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But you know, it's just me. I look at that team and then I
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look at what how unprepared they were for a running quarterback
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this weekend. And you know, you have a running
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quarterback coming in. And I don't know if that Baker
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with the defense is not getting them prepared for a running
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quarterback. I don't know if it's just with
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weeks being out and that's your leader.
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I don't know what's going on, but you need to figure it out.
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That question, yeah, just like like I said, I going back to my
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what I was saying before at the start, just I I just have more
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faith that they going to get a turn around because they're not
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in the they're not they wouldn't be as good this season without
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the defense. Like they had a bad game.
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It's an untimely bad game. You know, offense, you can say
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arguably they played had their best game of the year
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offensively, but poor time with the defense.
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Like I said, I I'm willing to give the defensive pass because
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just for that reason alone, they just not in this position.
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Like I said, and I said, you know, you asked me, can the
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season be saved? Then we got to win out ideally.
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I know that's real optimistic and they need even when you went
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out, you still need some help like you need vanity to take a
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come back. It actually, I take it back
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because I know dad, my dad was saying that the team you lose to
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Ole Miss Vandy needed to keep let them keep winning because at
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least the loss would look as bad.
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You know just but they need some type of help.
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They need some type of help. Clemson at the beginning of the
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season, we thought that was a huge win.
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You know, Clemson is not that good.
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They're just not a good football team this year.
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You know, I think what it boils down to is 10 states at the
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president, presidents to fire coach with high buyout.
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I think we need to follow suit. It's not going to get any better
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under Brian Kelly. I mean, he just, he can't win in
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the SEC. He's Got Talent on talent on
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talent on talent on offense, but a terrible offensive line who if
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your offensive line coach is as good as you say is your
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offensive line, it don't matter who they put in there should be
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doing fantastic job, a fantastic job, you know.
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Yeah, like I said, I wouldn't have, you know, I rolled in and
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I know, you know, share, know, just I wouldn't have minded if
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James Franklin stayed at Penn State because I know when you
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look back, you know, obviously when we weren't alive for much
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of Joe Paterno's era, obviously legendary coach and all the the
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stuff with Jerry Sandusky off the field.
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But just nonetheless, I think he had an icon, you know, just with
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all that this Jerry Sandusky stuff, you know, Bill O'Brien
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really restabilized that program amidst all the drama from that
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scandal. But James Franklin made them.
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They helped them re emerge into a national contender.
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And I think one thing I always said about James Franklin, I
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said, listen, if you win back-to-back nine win game nine
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win seasons at Vanderbilt of all places, listen, you can coach
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now like I did put I did understand their decision
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because you know, you know, the big regardless of what FS1, like
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Fox Sports like to say, you know, big 10 is not the same
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confidence as the SEC and Gary Lee powers.
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But like just from top to bottom, I just don't see the
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argument. And like, you know, so I get
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down. I understand the argument.
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Big tennis weaker and and he didn't win the big games.
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Very little slate against the hired opponents, especially
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considering the fact that they don't have the weak, the weak
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gauntlet as the SEC does. And I put to defend because that
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he had a much harder say than SEC Likewise, he re stabilized
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this program. He's just a he's a great builder
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in general. He's one everywhere.
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He's been obviously back-to-back national title in the D2 level
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at the Central Michigan went to Cincinnati, which is where I
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first heard of him. Obviously looked I looked at
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when he was at Notre Dame. You know, Charlie Weis, he
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Charlie Weis did had a good run with the Irish, but I always go
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back to the fact that he had Brady Quinn, who has every major
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passing record in school's history, Jeff Sumar do the top
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three pass caster in the school's history.
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I and Kelly didn't have that and they were still, they were still
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considered. Go ahead.
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Honey, you should bring him Notre Dame.
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You know, Brian Kell press conference when he said he
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wanted to come here, said he to come here because he wanted to
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win the national title. And two years out, where was
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Notre Dame last year? In the title.
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Yeah, obviously it's not that your team can't go.
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You know, I think it's you, team you.
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It's you. You're the problem.
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You know, I think Brian Kelly will be the first coach to not
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win at LSU, win the title at LSU just because I'm still mad about
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the whole Vandy loss. I think we should fire, fire
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Kelly and go get Clarkly. You don't have to come.
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You don't have to come in and rolled on fire.
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It just pissed Vandy off and the coach.
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You look at what Florida did this week, they got rid of Billy
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Napier. He wasn't cutting it by there's
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by nobody's standards actually, let alone LSU standards.
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And I get it, we have a high standard, but we have a high
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standard because of the talent level.
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We have the money, and why is football, where we pour the most
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money in doing so poor of a job when you have the baseball team?
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It was in Washington this week, by the way.
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Yep, thanks for your report. Yeah, getting recognized for
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winning the College World Series.
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Why is the baseball team winning 2 championships in the last
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three years? Why is the gymnastics team
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winning the championship? Why is the women's basketball
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team winning the national championship?
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You know why? Because their coach isn't
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incompetent. Well, and also LSU's baseball
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program is historically better than the football program.
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Sport is not as popular nationally, but it's iconic
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sport nonetheless, so that that doesn't surprise me as much.
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Now it doesn't. Surprise me at the baseball team
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and we just got a good coach and with all the talent we have on
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the football team, if we had a coach with at least one brain
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cell, we would be winning the national.
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What did you say? Like two brain cells fight for
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3rd place or something. Brian Kelly don't even have two.
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He got one. The one is fighting for 3rd
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place. You know, I'll say, I look at I
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don't like going back to what you said about you Remember back
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at the Florida game, we're spoiled.
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I'll say, listen, I mean, I like we are, we are talking about
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this, but I'll say it again. Listen, I love the pen, you
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guys, but you got to understand people also understand the
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context behind each program. See, college forts are not
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equal. So it's it's never has been ever
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will be. So when you have a sport that
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routinely historically successful in a sport,
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regardless of what sport it is and they have you already have
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the fan buy in the financial buy in from the boost, whatever the
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case should be, you have to turn out results.
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Now he's a he's a better coach to me than Billy Napier, of
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course, because and all and I was talking to my Co worker the
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other day, just Billy Napier. One thing I respect about him is
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his teams played hard for him. Like they don't quit.
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I mean, so they I mean that's one thing that can always hang
22:59
his hat on. It just didn't work out at
23:01
Florida. Florida has a high standard as
23:02
they should legendary program. But at least Brian Kelly first
23:06
year he took the program to the conference title.
23:10
So it's and I and I get less three years.
23:12
I get it, I get it and I just historic offense in the second
23:17
year. You know, just and I look and
23:20
I'll say it and I'll bring it out to say this, a lot of people
23:23
bring up, you know, like the culture guy, like the Louisiana
23:28
guy said, listen, Nick Saban wasn't Nick Saban from West
23:30
Virginia. And where was Skip Berman from?
23:34
You know, he's he spent a lot of time in Florida, of course,
23:38
Miami area. But like you got ultimately just
23:42
you, you could be LSU guy because but if you lose or
23:46
misrepresent the program in any capacity, that goes out the
23:49
window. And I bring up and I bring up to
23:51
say this, I said, listen, unless they just lose out, lose out
23:57
completely and it just looks bad.
24:00
I just, I would I would still retain him for one more season
24:04
because I look at it from the standpoint of I go back to Mike
24:09
Norvell with Florida State last year they went 2 and 10.
24:15
And I said this was this is a horrible season for a legendary
24:19
program like the Seminoles. I say, I say you keep them for
24:22
wonders reason, because he had won 24 games in two years,
24:26
including undefeated, and he was snubbed from the playoffs.
24:29
Now people look and like people talk about fire and I get I get
24:32
it from the from the surface level and the two and ten
24:35
seasons at the football school is horrible, but they they you
24:39
have to remember the Willie Taggart area, how bad that was,
24:42
how bad Seminole fans just load like just hate that era of the
24:49
program's history. So listen, you would you rather
24:52
go back to that or keep Mike Novell?
24:54
Now this season with Mike Novell, I can get it more so
24:58
because they've fallen off a Cliff again.
25:00
But I said last, even after 2 and 10, I said retained him.
25:05
So if I could defend Mike Novell from staying after 2 and 10
25:09
because he did rebuild that program.
25:12
I'm a I'm a I'm a support Brian Kelly because he did re
25:15
establish the consistency after the end of coach Oh yeah, coach
25:19
oh won a title and like he did incredible great recruiter,
25:22
fiery guy. But it was fortunate he was
25:26
fortunate to have like 3 of the greatest play in the industry
25:29
with the program. Iconic offense.
25:31
And it's there's no problem with that.
25:33
But you see what go happen to Gene Chiswick at Auburn 2T
25:38
Coast, Cam Newton, Nick Fairley fell off after two years.
25:42
So I can get that it's firing after two years, after even
25:44
winning the championship, so. But yeah.
25:48
I will say this, whatever the LSU student section and LSU just
25:54
as a whole wants to chant when we take the field with Brian
25:58
Kelly, I would 100% support him. I don't like him.
26:01
I think it's him to go. I'm not like you.
26:04
This is a great back and forth, two different opinions.
26:09
I don't like. I think it's time for him to go.
26:13
You know, I get all everything you were saying, but it's the
26:16
fact that you pull up the Nick Saban clip since we talked about
26:21
how he called a spoiled his fans and everything.
26:24
You pull up that clip where he said I'm happy we won, but I'm
26:30
not happy with the process. You want to talk about the
26:32
process of how things happen. I'm not happy with it.
26:35
And then you just got Brian Kelly going in there and yeah,
26:38
he was defending his guys. For the first time in his LSU
26:40
career, he's actually defending his team.
26:43
But being happy with how that game and it sounded
26:48
enthusiastically about the outcome of that game when
26:51
Florida threw 5 picks, realistically you should have
26:54
been up 40 points. Listen, yeah, yeah, look, I I
26:59
agree. And that's what Braden Foco
27:01
said. I said, listen, I get the take
27:02
on both sides. I, I, I get it.
27:04
I just because I don't like him calling fans spoiled.
27:08
Because listen, if, if you want to, you can't compare LSU
27:13
football, Alabama football, SEC football to UConn football.
27:17
That's just a whole different standard.
27:19
UConn is a legendary basketball school.
27:21
They don't prioritize football. So you can't you can say foot
27:26
spoiled on the surface. I said, listen, the standard is
27:29
the standard. It's different.
27:31
That's why I always say college sports is hard because it's not
27:33
created equal. So yes, it's harder.
27:36
And like it's if you add a, if you're fortunate enough to be at
27:40
a school that prioritizes the sport that you coach, you're
27:45
yes, you have immense pressure. And like a lot of everything
27:47
that everybody says as far as fans concerned, be outlandish.
27:51
Not everything is smart. That everything is emotionally,
27:55
it's summit alive. It's emotionally driven and
27:58
Fanny need to dial it back a lot.
27:59
But some stuff is legit. I mean, you call us foil, but
28:02
listen, you, you asked us. You asked a fan base.
28:07
Go ahead, go ahead. When you're calling a draw play
28:09
on 3rd and 20, you deserve whatever you get from the fan
28:12
base. You know, and The thing is like
28:15
I said this, I said, look, when you when you ask the fan base to
28:19
donate to the NIL, you donate to this program, you come down, you
28:23
support, I said, listen, I'll do it.
28:25
The fan base is going to do it. They love the sport.
28:28
I know what it returns to the community.
28:30
I said, we'll do it. What do you give me return?
28:33
If you but you have to put a product with all that money you
28:35
spent on players with. 100%. You have to, you have to put in
28:40
the you have to show us we're getting a return on our
28:43
investment. Brian Kelly, you have not done
28:46
that. You are a clown.
28:49
I don't even think Burger King would let you work over there.
28:52
Right, they need that fast food players already people.
28:55
No, I want to read this comment. I got a Reddit page but yeah,
28:58
I'm sorry. I'm going to pull it up in a
29:00
second. You know, Reddit thread from
29:05
yesterday said Kelly has virtually no fan support.
29:09
I can see what is about the guy that nobody seems to defend him
29:13
in the past coaches on the out team always to have a few
29:16
defenders, but Kelly seems to have none.
29:20
It wouldn't surprise me at all if all in his mind how to get
29:23
fired and stuff like that. And like there's some people
29:27
just saying like, you know, he doesn't have much Internet fan
29:29
support. People who come on the Internet
29:31
are usually either in joy or anger.
29:33
And somebody else said, I wouldn't say I defend him, but I
29:36
still feel he's a good coach. I don't have faith we will find
29:40
a better replacement this year, especially with Florida and Penn
29:43
State looking for their new head coach.
29:45
We have to overpay with and with that buyout.
29:49
This doesn't make sense. I copied another one and I'll
29:52
just I'll let I'll turn it over to you.
29:55
This guy said the only defense I can give him is with his buyout.
29:59
I'm fine with giving him one more season provided only he put
30:03
this in all caps only he finds a new OC and a new offensive line
30:08
coach. And if that doesn't work, don't
30:11
let the door hit you the way out.
30:12
Like you said earlier, I don't think he's a bad coach.
30:15
Frankly, I think he's a very coach.
30:17
But I fear he may be in over his head, especially specifically at
30:20
LSU. Anywhere else I think he would
30:22
be a home run higher. I think that it's 100% right.
30:27
Nobody supports him because he's a coward.
30:31
What about he supports him because he's a coward?
30:32
Edo, it didn't matter what you went on that radio show and you
30:35
asked him. They lovely lose the first game
30:38
in his first coaching game at LSU.
30:42
They lose that game. People come with really
30:44
intelligent, hard hitting questions that some of them
30:47
might have been a little too much.
30:49
They ask really good questions. What does he do the next radio
30:53
show? They start filtering questions.
30:55
They start screening questions, screening callers.
30:58
Now they're to the point they don't even, I don't even think
30:59
they take callers on the radio show anymore for Brian Kelly
31:03
because he's too much of A coward to answer.
31:05
They have no accountability in that program.
31:07
That's what some of the performer players are saying,
31:10
basically. Yeah, I don't think it's a
31:14
player thing, at least with Edo. When you had Edo and he was
31:17
going through that skid, you know, he had Tell Lundy, he
31:20
would tell you the truth. It was his fault.
31:22
He never once blamed a player. You go to Brian Kelly and you
31:25
talk to him. Coach, what's wrong with what's
31:27
going on? Well, Garrett Nussmayer needs to
31:29
do better. He needs to throw the ball down
31:31
the field. He needs to make smarter
31:32
decisions. He needs to do this.
31:34
He needs to do that. Harold Perkins, junior needs to
31:38
tackle better. He needs to do this better.
31:40
He needs to put himself in place.
31:43
Winks needs to not be pussy and not be hurt.
31:46
Didn't come back because our defence can't function without
31:48
him. You know, by the way, that's
31:50
Brian Kelly's word. That's not mine.
31:51
But Brian Kelly blames his players.
31:53
He doesn't anywhere. Didn't take accountability.
31:56
He blames his players, never. His inept coaching staff would
32:00
his loser OC who couldn't coach at a pee wee level anymore.
32:06
Most, most of the time you get AOC and it's an older guy.
32:09
They say the game's passing by, He can't hack it.
32:13
You know, I think they got Justin.
32:15
Joe Salone is just a little bit older than us and the game has
32:18
passed him by. You can't hack it.
32:19
I don't even think he ever could hack it.
32:21
That's the age. He's 38 years old.
32:24
He's only six years older than us.
32:27
The game has passed him by. He's like a old geriatric man.
32:31
He should be coaching in North Carolina along with Belichick.
32:35
Yeah, he'll be 39 by the end of the year.
32:37
Speaking of which, North Carolina football, when you do
32:40
get rid of Belichick because he's not doing what you thought
32:42
he was going to do, we have a coach for you.
32:44
You can come get Joe Sloan. We would gladly walk you over
32:47
with his outdated coaching philosophies and his outdated
32:50
playbook. I think it would be a great fit
32:53
for your university. Like like I said, I go back to
32:56
Joe Sloan. You have to they, they need the
33:01
the last month and change of their lives, the last month of
33:04
football all their lives. So as far as not literally, but
33:09
just as far as LSU because it's not a good look.
33:13
And I love to be patient with coaches.
33:15
I know with colleges it's pretty steep challenge.
33:20
Go ahead, go ahead. You know what my last straw was?
33:23
What's up? Not only did handle if we went
33:26
to Vandy and we lost by a field goal, but we played a really
33:29
hard nosed physical football game and didn't get out yet.
33:33
Out, you know, physical. But Mandy beat us.
33:39
They didn't win the football game when the fight.
33:43
They beat us in a fight as LSU coming from all those historical
33:47
defenses and this and that. We don't get out this, we got
33:53
out this, we got beat. We lost the fight.
33:56
That should never happen. And just for that reason, Brian
34:01
Kelly's got to go. That is being happens too many
34:04
times that we get out physical by teams we shouldn't have at
34:08
the end of his career at LSU. That's why we had to eventually.
34:11
Besides the fact that his playbook was from the 19, you
34:14
know, that's what got left trouble.
34:19
His defenses became softer than I ain't even got a analogy for
34:26
how soft the LSU defence was underneath.
34:29
You know, I don't have anything. I just, I don't have an analogy.
34:32
It was bad. You just, you just stamped
34:34
about. It keeps getting worse.
34:37
You know, it keeps getting worse.
34:39
Never going to get better. It keeps getting worse.
34:41
That's enough. I don't.
34:43
Like, you know, I just, yeah, I don't, yeah.
34:45
I don't blame you. I don't blame you.
34:46
I know just like I said earlier, you're in the bowl with pretty
34:49
much a lot of the fan base. Like I said, just I mean, I
34:52
don't, I don't mind defending the coach if it's, it's, it's
34:56
the thing about having these conversations.
34:57
It's still layered, you know, but like I said, I'll just do it
35:02
in step at a time. I said unless he I wanted to say
35:06
another year, but if it goes that bad, they just fall off the
35:10
cliffs this year, then I can justify giving them the axe.
35:13
But but I just yeah, he he's probably stabilize the program
35:20
because it was it was awful. And then you know.
35:22
Yeah, you show me, is somebody OK with being with losing?
35:27
That's a loser, you know. But if in these games where we
35:34
lost, we were, you know, physical, we were tackling that.
35:39
We didn't have any break tackle, broken tackles, we would, you
35:43
know, it would be one thing. But the fact of the matter is we
35:48
have gotten out physical and we got out physical to even in a
35:51
win against South Carolina. I felt that they out physical.
35:56
But you know I will. It's not only our defense that
35:58
was saw. How many times were we at the 1
36:00
yard line in the last two weeks? How many touchdowns did we
36:04
score? Donut.
36:08
None you one yard line. You mean to tell me your
36:16
offensive line? I know they are horrible because
36:20
their coach is horrible too. Can't get any push inward and
36:25
your running back can't run the ball straight up the middle.
36:29
Your quarterback can't run AQB, sneak and go.
36:34
I know a lot of that's play calling.
36:36
I know a lot of it's play calling, but it is piss poor
36:40
you. You didn't play freshman
36:44
football with it, did you? No, no.
36:46
You went for gut check during sophomore year, but you didn't
36:49
make the season. No, I, I, yeah, My greens
36:53
started to drop. I was like, you know, I'm, I'm a
36:54
tad loud. She's like, it was going to be a
36:56
big distraction. I was just like, you know, it's
36:59
funny. Like I was already in good shape
37:01
at that time. Like that was in the best shape,
37:03
Getrick. I mean the best shape of my
37:05
life. Yeah, a lot of us were.
37:07
A lot of us were dying. But it was working.
37:11
I did have a point in the lead up to this in high school when
37:15
we would start losing. And you know, this is a thing
37:18
for baseball too. A good saying.
37:20
I would always hear stop the bleeding, You know, stop the
37:23
bleeding. Brian Kelly, all we're begging
37:25
you to do is stop the bleeding. We're wounded right now.
37:29
Last year you were wounded and they just shot you in the head.
37:31
You were dead, you were done. You lost the Florida and then
37:36
you thought the rest of your season was over with.
37:38
And I think if that game against Bandy, that bounce back game
37:41
that we had a little bit of a bounce back in, I think if that
37:45
game was at in Nashville last year, we would be have we would
37:51
have had the same conversation last year as we're having right
37:53
now. I just, I don't see it.
37:55
I don't see Brian Kelly right in this ship.
37:58
I just I don't think he has it. The fact of the matter is right
38:01
now, if you search up Joe Sloan's name right now and he's
38:05
it says offensive coordinator at LSU, that should tell you right
38:09
now that Brian Kelly doesn't have it.
38:10
He is delusional. He might have early onset
38:13
dementia that he thinks Joe Bryant, that he thinks Joe Sloan
38:18
is out there and he's doing a fantastic job.
38:20
You know, I don't know what it's going on, but he needs to go.
38:24
He just needs to go. All right, of him.
38:26
We have these conversations. We've been having these
38:29
conversations about Brian Kelly for, what, four years now?
38:32
This. Is Four Seasons is.
38:34
That how long we've been stuck with him.
38:37
Four Seasons. Four Seasons.
38:38
Up with him four years now. Yeah, we have this conversation
38:41
every single year. Mainly we have this conversation
38:44
at the beginning of the year when you go on and lose things
38:46
you have no business losing to, you know, but.
38:49
And you know what the sad thing is?
38:51
He'll get that sixth win and become Bo eligible.
38:53
And instead of his buyout going down, it'll go up because we,
38:57
the way these coaches are getting paid now, though, like,
38:59
oh, let's reward him for getting to somewhere that nobody wants
39:03
to see you playing the bowl game.
39:04
You know, that's an interesting thing.
39:06
Like I see a lot of these contracts now, like, you know,
39:10
just I wonder how like with like the coaching shifts, you know, a
39:13
lot of fires this year so far, we still got a month to go, you
39:17
know, let's say if it if it tanks for them, I wonder how
39:21
it's going to change coaching contract, you know, just like on
39:25
a shorter. Term they won't pay as much on
39:29
buyout. I think the only idiot who sets
39:33
these buyouts that high though for coaches that are just not
39:37
that good unfortunately is Scott Woodard.
39:39
Because if you look at it, Jimbo Shrimp, Sure he won one game
39:43
with Jameis Winston, won national championship with
39:45
Jameis Winston at Florida State. Then he goes in, he celebrates
39:52
winning the LSU game. First of all, they didn't win
39:55
that game in overtime. They should.
39:58
Yeah, Yeah. Never should have went to
39:59
overtime. Matt Austin screwed up because
40:00
he don't know the rules. Funny enough, he's the rules
40:05
expert that they always go to during these football games.
40:08
And half the time when he's talks that you can tell he's not
40:10
even watching the game, you know, But he hired him and he
40:14
gave him all that money, and he's still the highest buyout in
40:19
history of college football. You know, we shouldn't have to
40:23
pay you that much money to come to LSU, you know?
40:26
I mean, I get it. We've got to compete with other
40:29
places, but it's a money making thing.
40:32
Just money making, you know? It's not going to change.
40:38
We're not going to change it. But they need to be.
40:42
You shouldn't be paid that much to suck at your job that much,
40:48
you know. Yeah, man, just like yeah, yeah.
40:51
And I respect it. You know, just like I said,
40:55
engines is just going to come down.
40:57
This last month is so important. I don't mind.
40:59
I don't mind being wrong, you know, just like saying that if I
41:03
can support. Either, I do love LSUI, just I
41:10
don't think, given the circumstances and stuff, I don't
41:16
think Brian Kelly has it in the right this year.
41:19
He's proven time in and time out that he just can't do it at LSU.
41:24
Maybe if he was at Notre Dame and he was playing those other
41:27
schools that don't have to play the big boys, you know, he would
41:33
be fine. But you're playing, you're
41:35
playing the big dogs now. Boy, you got to do something.
41:39
You can't just sit there and be like, oh, I think this will
41:42
work. Let's give the kid who almost
41:45
messed up his tryout a shot. You know, his tryout was when he
41:50
had that. What was it?
41:51
The Wisconsin game? Well, yeah, I think so.
41:54
That we, I'm from behind and we he almost, he almost messed that
41:59
up, you know, I just, I don't get it.
42:01
I really don't get it, you know? Yeah, it's just like saying it's
42:05
not the start we you know, it's not the trajectory we had hoped.
42:09
It started very promising. We especially defensively like I
42:13
said, there's there's a lot there's something that should be
42:15
salvage. You know this really see where
42:19
you know how can you re galvanized this unit because you
42:22
know they started off with like the one and no mindset every
42:25
game. I just want to see how they
42:27
respond. Yep, starting off, they just got
42:30
to respond, but I don't, I just don't.
42:34
I don't have any faith in this thing.
42:35
You know, I do have before I forget, I do have a birthday
42:38
shout out. Happy birthday, Michaela.
42:40
I know it's on Friday and this is Wednesday, but happy
42:42
birthday. OK, now what else we got on the
42:45
thing? You think they?
42:47
We covered everything basically, like I said, just and a lot of
42:51
there are two of those questions like still in the control.
42:53
They control their destiny. Can it be saved?
42:55
Like you said, got to went out and need help.
42:58
I just feel like I can just see them going like like what is it?
43:02
We 787 again, three and two the rest of the way, but ideally
43:06
went out and need help. I don't know what help comes
43:08
from, but they need it, but they need it desperately.
43:10
Yeah, they need it. But, you know, shifting gears to
43:14
a more traditional winning team, you know, let's talk about
43:20
baseball for a little while. How do you like Tony Vitello
43:23
going to the Giants? Yeah, that that my Co worker, he
43:27
sent me down the other day. I was like, wow, that is that's
43:30
that's something right there. Yeah, I'm like, and we won a
43:35
title there. Hey, I don't want, yeah, I don't
43:39
want to deal with the new landscape.
43:42
Do you agree with Jay Johnson that Louisiana is the capital
43:48
for college baseball? That question Why wouldn't it
43:52
be? I mean, you got LSU won it.
43:55
You got LSU, Shreveport, who set the, I think I said the
44:00
collegiate record. They went 59 and Owen won the
44:02
World Series, you know? LSU won.
44:05
LSU has won multiple championships in multiple
44:09
decades. Let me say that again.
44:10
Multiple championships in multiple decades in baseball or
44:14
in the 90s, two in the 2000s and two in the 2000 twenties.
44:18
Yeah, and they should have had one in the 20 tens.
44:23
Yeah, things fell short. David Lee's unbelievably steady.
44:27
We had. Knee injuries and.
44:30
Yeah. Yeah, baseball has all been a
44:34
steady one. I think the only year we didn't
44:36
make a regional or something was in the 2011.
44:40
That's about right. But you know, we got a lot of
44:46
stuff going on, but I wish we had Mississippi State on the
44:48
schedule, you know, because for both Texas A&M and in Florida,
44:54
all it took was a win against Mississippi State.
44:56
Get the undesirable coach out. Texas A&M fired Jimbo Shrimp
45:00
after they meet. We may not.
45:03
We Florida just fired Billy Napier, not after the horrible
45:07
loss to Texas, A they fired him after he won against
45:10
Mississippi. What does that say to you as a
45:13
program, Mississippi State, that teams are getting killed the
45:16
week before that or waiting till they beat you?
45:20
Fire their coach. They're almost they're basically
45:23
saying a win against you is as worse as a loss.
45:25
Yeah. I was looking up about the
45:28
baseball real quick. Last time we didn't play in the
45:33
Regal it was 2011 like you said and before that it was we had
45:38
like two in a row like in 26 to 27, 2006 and 2007 back to backs.
45:47
So at the base at the end of smoke Lavelle and the started
45:50
pulmonary and then previously was 1988 Danny fixture man.
45:56
You know, that's a rich history there, Yeah, that we have two
46:00
LSU boys playing for. They go get a World Series ring.
46:03
LSU is about to get a World Series ring no matter what.
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Who you got winning it? You think Dodge is going to
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repeat? I don't know who I got winning,
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to be honest. I don't know.
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I haven't watched enough MLB. Yeah, Dodge is looking tough.
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I I really want the Blue Jays to win.
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I want the Mariners to win. The born of the Blue Jays.
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You got Kevin golf Blue Jays with Kevin Gosman and you got
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Paul Gervais playing for LSU. Comes out when the World Series
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win no matter what. So, you know, but I can't.
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I'll go with Blue Jays. I didn't want and Dodd has been
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dominated. I just, I really want the Blue
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Jays to take it. I know they beat Molly Yankees,
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but I just don't want to see no Dodgers winning the game and
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then beat off. Nobody wants to see that again.
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Nobody wants to see that why you ever you do with Alabama when
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they somehow eat their way into the playoffs now, this year, if
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they do, they look pretty damn good.
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They deserve it this year. But couple of years ago, they
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didn't deserve it. They eat their way in.
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I think it was only Pasabin announced his retirement that he
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eat his way in. Yeah, he lost to Michigan's last
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123 last season. You know, I'm eager to see how
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it goes down the rest of the season.
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I'm eager to see how the World Series goes down.
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And at this point I'll go watch LSU ball baseball where they
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just scrimmage themselves over going to sit in Tiger Stadium
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and watching Brian Kelly coach team lose the Texas A&M to
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Arkansas. And if we lose to Western
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Kentucky, they he doesn't even need to make the post game
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conference. He just needs to be fired.
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Listen, I'll put to. That I just, I can't see him.
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I can't see him coming out of that one.
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You know, I really can't see it. We are hitting up on this hour
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mark. So we, you know, all right,
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brother. So have a good one.
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Again, happy birthday. Happy 28th birthday, Michaela.
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Get get your blank canvas T-shirt.
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Too. Yeah, yeah.
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Have a good day, a good night. Whatever you have, just make it
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a good one. We are signing off.
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Peace.