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12-Year-Old Girls Stab 'Bestie,' Leave Her for Dead, Now Say They're No Longer Threat to Society? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does the name slender Man
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  Speaker 1: mean anything to you? Well, I luckily went my entire
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  Speaker 1: life with not knowing what slender Man was until two
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  Speaker 1: girls lead their little best friend out into the woods
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  Speaker 1: during a sleepover and stab her multiple times, leaving her
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  Speaker 1: to bleed out dead in a miracle, the little girl lives.
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  Speaker 2: Now, why did.
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  Speaker 1: Two seemingly normal young girls from Wisconsin try to murder,
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  Speaker 1: stabbing repeatedly their little best friend, even going through an
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  Speaker 1: elaborate roos to lure her out of the home because
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  Speaker 1: the two of them wanted to go live with.
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  Speaker 2: The Oh gosh, what can I say?
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  Speaker 1: Nocturnal, mythical, creepy slender Man in his mansion in the woods. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: two seemingly normal students lure their friend tried their best
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  Speaker 1: to murder her, each one stabbing her over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over as she begged for mercy during a sleepover.
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  Speaker 1: The whole sleepover was a murder sleepover. Well, in the
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  Speaker 1: last days, one of the two, the oldest, the Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: girl convicted in the infamous slender Man stabbing, wants a
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  Speaker 1: release Imnancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Crime stories and
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  Speaker 1: on serious xem one eleven. Does it never end with
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  Speaker 1: these two the cold, calculated and callous stabbing of a
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  Speaker 1: little girl just twelve years old at the time she
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  Speaker 1: was stabbed nearly to death. The case still goes on
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  Speaker 1: one of the two Wisconsin girls who repeatedly stabbed their
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  Speaker 1: classmate because they claim they were possessed by the fictional
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  Speaker 1: horror character slender Man. One of them has just lost
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  Speaker 1: their appeal. Morgan Guyser was just twelve years old when
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  Speaker 1: she and her friend a Nissa Ware attacked Peyton Lautner
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  Speaker 1: and a Milwaukee suburb in twenty fourteen. And not only
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  Speaker 1: is the attack itself so scary, what sends a chill
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  Speaker 1: down my spine is here. They are living in these
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  Speaker 1: upscale suburbs outside of Milwaukee, going to school, making good grades.
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  Speaker 1: Seemingly everything is normal, if not great, And now this
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  Speaker 1: now Morgan Geyser pled guilty to first degree attempted homicide.
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  Speaker 1: She was found not guilty in gb RI I not
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  Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity, and was sentenced to forty
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  Speaker 1: years in a middle institution. Her lawyer appeals that ruling,
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  Speaker 1: arguing Geyser should have been charged with second degree intentional homicide,
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  Speaker 1: which would have placed the case in GV court rather
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  Speaker 1: than adult court. That didn't work, and the judge sentenced
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  Speaker 1: her to remain behind bars, even though it is in
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  Speaker 1: a mental health facility. Morgan Geyser, now twenty one, is
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  Speaker 1: petitioning for conditional release from the Winnebago Mental Health Institution.
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  Speaker 1: She hasn't given up. Now understand her first appeal was
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  Speaker 1: because her lawyer said the case should have been tried
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  Speaker 1: in GV court. What does that mean? If a case
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  Speaker 1: is tried in GV court, typically the maximum sentences eighteen
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  Speaker 1: months maybe five years max. And you're basically in a dormitory.
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  Speaker 1: If you are in adult court on a tempted homicide,
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  Speaker 1: you can get forty years. You still serve your time
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  Speaker 1: in GV jail until you become twenty one. Now in
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  Speaker 1: this case, that's irrelevant because they're in a mental health facility.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened that night?
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  Speaker 3: Your emergency walks.
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  Speaker 4: To Conny Lennam transfermb A caller on Big Bend at
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  Speaker 4: the dead End just south of RIVERA.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Came up on a twelve year old female two peers
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  Speaker 4: to be stabbed.
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  Speaker 3: She appears to be wet, STAPs stabbed. Okay, sorry for there. Yes, hi, sir,
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  Speaker 3: So are you with this twelve year old female?
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  Speaker 5: Yes? She says she's having trouble breathing. She said she
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  Speaker 5: was stabbed multiple times.
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  Speaker 3: They have multiple times. Yeah, okay, sir, are you with
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  Speaker 3: her right now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Is she awake?
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  Speaker 5: She's awake.
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  Speaker 3: Is she breathing?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's breathing. She said she can take shallow breaths.
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  Speaker 5: She's alert.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, stay with her. We're sending the police department. Don't
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  Speaker 3: hang up. Okay, hold on a minute, don't hang up. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 3: hold on its minister. We're setting officers. Is there any
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  Speaker 3: assailant around?
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  Speaker 5: Ah? I didn't even look. I don't see anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, stay stay right with her, Sir. Is she on
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  Speaker 3: the ground or she standing up?
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  Speaker 5: No, she's laying on the grass.
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  Speaker 3: Is there any bleeding going on?
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  Speaker 5: Her clothing has got blood on it.
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  Speaker 3: Where are the wounds? Do you see where the wounds are?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if I should be rolling or over
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  Speaker 5: and checking or not. Do you know where?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just stay with her and just let me know
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  Speaker 3: if she's conscious or alert or stops breathing anything, hold on,
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  Speaker 3: then talk to the ambulance. Police are also in route. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so you see any active bleeding or blood spurting out.
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  Speaker 5: Or anything like that. No, unless it's underneath her.
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  Speaker 3: I just see dried blood. Okay, just dried blood.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, you are.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing a nine to one one call. That becomes even
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  Speaker 1: more chilling when you real lies. The victim is.
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  Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl. Listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at TMJ four.
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  Speaker 7: Wire tild police planning the attack made her scared, but
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  Speaker 7: she wanted to prove Sunderman's skeptics wrong.
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  Speaker 8: I was and I would never.
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  Speaker 4: My family again and b I will.
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  Speaker 7: Howl Crey Guyser says. The victim Peyton had been her
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  Speaker 7: best friend for years. She says she didn't choose Peyton,
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  Speaker 7: but went along with it.
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  Speaker 1: Please damn her was cird?
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  Speaker 6: Where the baby?
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  Speaker 9: I'm wanting to hurt people the floor, but they're not.
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  Speaker 1: Nice to me, a little girl saying before, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to hurt people and they deserved it. Two girls, Morgan
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  Speaker 1: Geyser and Anissa Weir, could they possibly have lured their
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old little best friend out into the woods
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  Speaker 1: and then stabbed her, leaving her for dead. That's what
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  Speaker 1: police are reporting in a little girl who miraculously survives.
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  Speaker 1: Peyton Lawtner speaks out, joining me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Ocean's renowned defense attorney in the New York, New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey area. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years of the Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, twenty two years homicide detective, author of Homicide
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  Speaker 1: The View from Inside the Yellow Tape. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensicks Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,
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  Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober, joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: the Florida jurisdiction right now to crimeonline dot Com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter Levi Paige Levi, take me back to the night
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  Speaker 1: this little girl was stabbed multiple times, left for dead,
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  Speaker 1: bleeding out, left to quote, bleed out.
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  Speaker 2: In the woods.
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  Speaker 1: You'd think it was a sex office or a registered
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  Speaker 1: sex offender, a pedophile, a maniac, But it turns out
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  Speaker 1: it's two little girls.
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  Speaker 10: May thirtieth, twenty fourteen, Morgan Geyser is celebrating her birthday.
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  Speaker 10: She had turned twelve, and she invited two of her classmates,
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  Speaker 10: her friend Peyton Lutner, and Anissa Weir, who are also twelve,
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  Speaker 10: over to her home. They went skating, They ate frozen yogurt,
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  Speaker 10: they had a slumber party.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, stop stop, stop, stop right there, Jason Oceans, you
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  Speaker 1: know what it is, things like Levi Page just said,
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  Speaker 1: Jason skating, birthday cakes, manicures, pedicures for the little girl's
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  Speaker 1: laser tag.
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  Speaker 2: For the little boys.
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  Speaker 1: But this is just like every other kid's birthday party.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Oceans, You've got two children.
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  Speaker 2: You've lived through it.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: It makes it worse to me. Jesseph Scott Morgan, You've
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  Speaker 1: lived through plenty of trials.
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  Speaker 2: When it's a wolf in.
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  Speaker 1: Sheep's clothed Joe Scott that this was supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: an innocent, fun birthday party for little twelve year old girls.
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  Speaker 11: I mean really, yeah, you would think that they'd be
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  Speaker 11: completely and totally safe. But yeah, and your defenses are down.
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  Speaker 11: Wouldn't you think twelve years old, who's going to expect
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  Speaker 11: that this kind of behavior is going to rise up
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  Speaker 11: among what would seemly be a few innocent little children.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Bober, it's like one, let me just
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  Speaker 1: compare it to a little old lady you pass in
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  Speaker 1: the street and she's got a walker, and she pulls
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  Speaker 1: out an oozy on you and takes your money and runs.
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  Speaker 1: You don't see it coming, expl What am I trying
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  Speaker 1: to say? Put it in forensic psychiatric words.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I answer you, it's a little bit different than
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  Speaker 12: an old lady. A twelve year old doesn't really have
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  Speaker 12: the capacity to make those types of.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, you don't see it coming, Bober. I know
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  Speaker 1: there's a difference in a little old lady and a
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old girl. What I'm saying is the whole
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  Speaker 1: wolf in sheep's clothing thing.
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  Speaker 10: Bober.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: You definitely don't see it company.
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  Speaker 12: It's not something you would ever see coming.
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  Speaker 6: Agree with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you're the renown forensic psychiatrist, and your takeaway is yet, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: is something you don't see coming.
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  Speaker 13: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I've already said that, doctor Bober. You're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to think of something impressive and psychiatric right now.
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  Speaker 12: Well, let me just say that if it was something
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  Speaker 12: we would see coming, then this wouldn't even be a
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  Speaker 12: story that we'd be talking about. But my point is
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  Speaker 12: is that it's something that you would not expect that
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  Speaker 12: of a twelve year old, but when it happens, it's
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  Speaker 12: something that you is explainable by the fact that they
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  Speaker 12: don't really have the capacity to waigh the future consequences
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  Speaker 12: of their actions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're certainly right about that, Levi pagec. All you
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  Speaker 1: had to do was say skating rink and everything went sideways.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just go back to the party. What happened.
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  Speaker 10: So then they had a sleepover, and after the sleepover
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  Speaker 10: in the morning, the three girls went to the park.
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  Speaker 10: They went for a walk, and this was Morgan Geyser
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  Speaker 10: and a Nissa Weir's idea to go for a walk.
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  Speaker 10: So they went out into the woods and while they
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  Speaker 10: in the woods, they were playing hide and seek, or
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  Speaker 10: they were pretending to play hide and seek, and they
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  Speaker 10: told Peyton Lautner to lay down in the leaves and
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  Speaker 10: that they were going to hide. Well, instead, Morgan Geyser
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  Speaker 10: pulled out a knife and stabbed her nineteen times.
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  Speaker 1: And this is after they have to spend the night
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  Speaker 1: with a little girl, the three of them besties. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Welcome back to Crime Stories. The
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  Speaker 1: Saga of slender Man, where two little girls attack their friend,
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  Speaker 1: claiming they did it to appease the fictional character slender Man.
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  Speaker 1: The case won't go away now again, one of the
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  Speaker 1: two defendants, Geyser, is trying to get out for Cushy
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  Speaker 1: mental health facility.
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  Speaker 2: We know that guys are in co defendant.
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  Speaker 1: We're admitted to luring Lautner from a sleepover to a
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  Speaker 1: wooded park there in Waukeshaw, that's a Milwaukee suburb. All
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  Speaker 1: three girls were just twelve years old at the time.
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  Speaker 1: We're stabbed Lautner nineteen times while urging Geyser to do
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  Speaker 1: the same. The two left the victim for dead, but
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  Speaker 1: somehow she managed to crawl out of the woods to
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  Speaker 1: a path where, Praise the Lord, a passing bicyclist found her.
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  Speaker 2: Now both guys are and we're told to tect us.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, they had to kill Lautner to become
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  Speaker 1: slender Man's servants, and that the character would kill their
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  Speaker 1: families if they didn't follow through. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friend David Muir at ABC twenty twenty with Angie
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  Speaker 1: Geyser's Morgan's Mom.
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  Speaker 6: It's Friday Night in Walkeshaw, Wisconsin. At Milwaukee's Peyton is
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  Speaker 6: getting ready to celebrate her best friend, Morgan Guyser's birthday.
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  Speaker 6: At that slumber party, Peyton was so so excited. The
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  Speaker 6: girls met in fourth grade. Peyton drawn to Morgan because
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  Speaker 6: she was a loner who needed a friend.
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  Speaker 9: I made friends with her when I saw that she
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  Speaker 9: didn't have any friends at all.
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  Speaker 6: Also, at that sleepover, Anissa Wire, who was new to
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  Speaker 6: the school and who had grown close to Morgan.
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  Speaker 9: They layed up in Morgan's s bedroom, ran up and
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  Speaker 9: down the stairs, giggling and laughing.
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  Speaker 6: And I mean, it was just a normal night, but
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  Speaker 6: there was nothing normal about what happened the next morning
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  Speaker 6: when Morgan and Anissa suggest they all go to the
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  Speaker 6: park and then to the woods together.
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  Speaker 9: And Nissa told me to lie on the ground and
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  Speaker 9: like cover myself in like.
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  Speaker 13: Sticks and leaves and stuff. But it was really just
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  Speaker 13: a trick.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, And now this one wants out to walk
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  Speaker 1: free amongst the public. I do not want her for
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  Speaker 1: sleepover at our house. You want her to get out,
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  Speaker 1: invite her to your house. But how did the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing unfold?
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  Speaker 3: Don't be afraid at patch.
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  Speaker 5: Up on top of the fellas shot her.
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  Speaker 9: Reply, And do you remember when it started kind of,
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  Speaker 9: I didn't feel anything because my body was in shock.
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  Speaker 13: So they told me to lay down, you'll lose blood.
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  Speaker 9: Slower like we're gonna go get help to get off
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  Speaker 9: trying to get up.
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  Speaker 2: He said that she could walk and.
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  Speaker 8: Just that she can breathed, and they told her they
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  Speaker 8: were going to go get her help. But Anissa flat outside.
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  Speaker 14: No, we weren't getting the help. We wanted her to die.
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  Speaker 9: I got up and then just walked until I hit
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  Speaker 9: a patch of grass where.
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  Speaker 14: I could lay down.
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  Speaker 6: A bicyclist notices Peyton bloodied and lying in the grass.
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  Speaker 6: He calls nine one one.
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  Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at ABC twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: That was David. You were with Peyton along with Detective Tressoni.
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  Speaker 1: Did you notice Jesse Scott Morgan that the little victim
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  Speaker 1: then twelve year old Peyton says, by the way, when
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  Speaker 1: you hear them refer to Bella, that's her nickname. Peyton's
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  Speaker 1: nickname is Bella. Did you hear her say I didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel anything?
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  Speaker 11: Well, that means and she's actually in some of her
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  Speaker 11: interviews she's gone on to say that she was in shock,
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  Speaker 11: and I'm sure that that's what's been conveyed to her,
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  Speaker 11: because she would have asked why did not feel anything.
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  Speaker 11: It's a primal response that we have to being attacked
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  Speaker 11: like this, And Nancy, this little girl will stab nineteen
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  Speaker 11: times over a variety of areas in her body. So
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  Speaker 11: after a period of time, the body is beginning to
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  Speaker 11: shut down just so that she's not going to feel
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  Speaker 11: this response.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I've always heard of your body going into shock
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  Speaker 1: and you don't feel things. You know, Jason, you and
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  Speaker 1: I have discussed this many many times. Jason oh is
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  Speaker 1: with me, veteran defense attorney in the Tri State area
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  Speaker 1: in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Jason, I always wondered
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  Speaker 1: about my fiance when he was murdered, shot five times
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  Speaker 1: in the neck, face, the head. I always hoped that
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  Speaker 1: he went into shock and didn't understand or know what
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  Speaker 1: was happening, that he was alive and then he was gone.
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  Speaker 1: But I also know that when he got to the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: even after all that, he was physically still alive, his
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  Speaker 1: heart still beating. So I guess it's a blessing when
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  Speaker 1: people physically go into shock.
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  Speaker 4: For sure, Nancy, you know, as the doctor said, that's
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  Speaker 4: a natural reaction, and you know, you listen to the
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  Speaker 4: testimony of and you're just you're shocked as well. You know,
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  Speaker 4: she reacted that way, and the twelve year old the
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  Speaker 4: scenario of what happened to her, she explains it and
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  Speaker 4: the only natural and in some way a blessing that
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  Speaker 4: she doesn't feel that physical pain of being stabbed nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Times, doctor Bober, what is that instinct when you are
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  Speaker 1: in shock and you just.
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  Speaker 12: Free well, Nancy, they talked about fight or flight, but
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  Speaker 12: it's really fight flight or freeze, and that's the freeze,
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  Speaker 12: and the freeze is sort of what we called dissociation.
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  Speaker 12: We're disconnected from your thoughts and your emotions when you
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  Speaker 12: become too overwhelmed. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this little girl was saying that she didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel anything at the beginning.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, do you remember leaving the park to go to
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  Speaker 6: the woods.
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  Speaker 13: They just wanted to go on a walk, and I
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  Speaker 13: didn't think much of it. It's just a walk.
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  Speaker 9: It's in walk, Ashaw, like what bad stuff happens in
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  Speaker 9: Waukeshaw was sounding. Denisa told me to lie on the
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  Speaker 9: ground and like cover myself in like.
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  Speaker 13: Sticks and leaves and stuff, but it was really just
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  Speaker 13: a trick.
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  Speaker 5: Down.
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  Speaker 3: What do the students.
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  Speaker 4: Suppose?
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  Speaker 2: Stand?
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  Speaker 3: Stand?
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  Speaker 15: Stand stand?
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  Speaker 6: When you hear them describe two investigators Anissa telling Morgan
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  Speaker 6: just to do it. I think that the word was globalistic.
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  Speaker 13: Oh I remember that.
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  Speaker 9: I do remember them chatting right next to me while
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  Speaker 9: I was just laying.
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  Speaker 1: There, stabbed nineteen times and left by her attackers to quote,
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  Speaker 1: bleed out dead in the woods. The shock. Her attackers
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  Speaker 1: are two other twelve year old little girls, the victim
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  Speaker 1: who miraculously survived, her mom says. Doctors claim that they
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  Speaker 1: found one of the stab wounds about an eighth of
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  Speaker 1: an inch from one of her arteries, an eighth of
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  Speaker 1: an inch between life and death. How could two twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old little besties do something like this? St our
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  Speaker 1: friend David Muir with Peyton.
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  Speaker 4: After the stabbed or nineteen times, they encouraged her just
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  Speaker 4: to lay down in the woods and rest.
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  Speaker 2: For what they really want her to do was bleed.
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  Speaker 6: Out in the woods. Do you remember what you said
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  Speaker 6: to them?
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: I trusted you, and then they told me to lay down,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: you'll lose blood slower, like we're gonna go get help.
• 19:17
  Speaker 14: Did she try to get up?
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: She couldn't walk and just dashed and.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: They told her they were going to go get her help.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: But Anissa flat outside.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Now we weren't getting the help.
• 19:31
  Speaker 14: They wanted her to die.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Do you remember the moment they left you?
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: I think I remember them running away, but I kind
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: of just laid there for a minute.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: You walked out of the woods.
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: They got up, grabbed a couple of trees for support,
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: I think, and then just walked until I hit a
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: patch of grass record lay down.
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: It's amazing that she had the strength to do that
• 19:53
  Speaker 11: with the injuries that she had.
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: When I told her that the girls were in custody,
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: it seemed to give her a sense of real.
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: The girls were ultimately arrested for first agree at ten
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: Thomis hide to.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Twelve year old girls had it planned for six months
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: to kill their friends.
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: You don't often see this with adults, and to have
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: this happen between twelve year olds is absolutely horrifying.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you sell body now?
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: I said it was still out there.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: And did you think that she died? Yea, she is alive.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: I watched a little bit.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: What was your reaction.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: It was a little shocking to me to see that
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: they had this big, huge plan that they had been
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: working on for.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Months, A big, huge plan they had been working on
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for months. A little girl has to spend the night
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: birthday party where their other twelve year old friends. The
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: three of them go for a walk, and the two friends,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Morgan Guyser and Anissa Weir, execute a long planned scheme
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to murder Peyton Lawner, just twelve years old, also known
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: as Bella, the legal odyssey surrounding the fictional character slender
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Man goes on I'm remembering a particular photo of defendant
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: guys that are wearing bloody clothing, the blood of her
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: little friend after her twenty fourteen attack, and when she's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: being let out of court, acting like what happened? This
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: is what happened. He tried to murder your best friend,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it was described. During the attack, guys are told Lautner,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: don't be afraid, I'm only a little kiddy cat, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: then stabbed her. Lautner actually spoke out about the attack,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: which left her traumatized for months, covered in twenty five scars.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The girls ran out of the woods, leaving Lautner for dead.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: They told to because they thought Lawner was dying. They said, quote,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: we told her we're going to get help, but we
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: really weren't.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: We were going to run a letter pass away.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: A huge plan that they had for months.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But why listen.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: This is where the story takes another turn. What happened
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: with fictional character on the internet.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: So they called the prey about Shaki explos like poor
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: story sentiment to perfectly scare you.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And there's one of the called planet who's wonder.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: He's alman and grave on children.
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: That is ah well, she should like explaining generals from his.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Back and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: Strangle the victims from the prey Pasha when he said
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: he targeted the children.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Though, Anissa explained to me that to prove yourself worthy
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: to slender you would have to kill somebody.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: You have to kill someone to go live with slender Man.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend David Murrror and detectives during the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: investigation of the attempt to stab little twelve year old
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: bella dead Levi page with me crime online dot Com
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: investigative journalist who is slender Man.
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: So this is a fictional character, Nancy that is very
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: prevalent in Creepy Pasta communities and Creepy Pasta Communities is
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: like horror stories that people tell on forums like Reddit.
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: It's very popular there. And this is a guy that
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: someone drew an artist, and he has a featureless face.
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: He's tall, thin, he's often wearing a suit. He looks
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: very ghost like, and he likes to stalk and traumatize
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: children in these creepy pasta stories. He also uses mind control.
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: To tell them what to do.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: And apparently Morgan Geyser was obsessed with slender Man. When
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: law enforcement got a search warrant for her room, they
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: found drawings of slender Man. She had researched him on
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: the internet, had read creepy pasta stories about him. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: they also found that she had been thinking about murder
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: for a long time, because months in advance of this attack,
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: she had searched on the internet how to get away
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: with murder.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Well, there's everything you need to show pre meditation. To
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: defense attorney Jason Oceans, the girls tell police they were
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: convinced to murder their little friend Peyton Lautner known as
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Bella by slender Man. Slender Man's not real, Jason, He's fictional,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and how can both girls have the same psychiatric delusion
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time. That's the same thing I keep
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: talking about all of Epstein's guards in the jail. How
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: can they all fall asleep at the same time and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: leave him to be found dead? How can two little
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: girls have the same psychiatric break with reality? This was
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: just their excuse for.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Murdering their little friend. They are murderers, Nancy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I analogize this type of you know, mind control that
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the young lady placed in this slender Man character to
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: you know, Jim Jones or any cult or David Koresh
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: where people are willing not only to sacrifice themselves but
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: their children in belief. And those are adults, right, brain
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: formed out all the way by twenty two, right, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: and these are adults with children, And you would think,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: my god, you know, sacrifice yourself, how do you do
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: your children? It is It does shock the conscience that
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: this happened, and clearly from you know, monitoring your children
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: and you know, creepy pasta stories because they're creepy with fun,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: but noticing some differences in your children with being withdrawn
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: or you know, just something more sinister is the responsibility
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: of parenting. You can't just be disengaged. When your child
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: has been having seemingly these thoughts, murderous thoughts for so long,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: you've got to see a change in your child. You
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: just can't be an absentee parent.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: What about it, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensics psychiatrists
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: out of the Florida jurisdiction. Apparently the parents knew nothing,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: had no idea anything was going on with their children.
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Nancy, you see this a lot. For example, I
• 26:40
  Speaker 12: remember during the Columbine shootings, parents had no idea that
• 26:45
  Speaker 12: Cleebold and Harris were stockpiling weapons in their own garage. Like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: they never bothered to check that there were weapons being
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: stockpiled in their garage. So, unfortunately, this is something that
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: happens with parents. They just kind of give their kids
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: these electronic babysitters cell phones, and they are not really
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: paying attention to what's going on. But in regards to
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: what you said before, yes, of course the kids did
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: not have the same delusion. But sometimes when you get
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: two kids together and one of them has a more
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: dominant personality and more dominant traits, they will lead the
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: weaker ki to go along with their plan, even though
• 27:20
  Speaker 12: it's not something they would have done on their own.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: I've never gone into an interview so blind as I
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: have in this one. I thought that maybe this was
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: all about a boy. This is a fight about a boy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I know what happened, and I don't know that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Okay, we didn't know what these girls were going to
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: tell us.
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: Stand her, My thought was, why would she do this?
• 28:05
  Speaker 14: One of the call who the heck is slender Man?
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: And she herself worthy.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: To think that to twelve year olds would come up
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: with something like this and plant it out for six months.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: As soon as I heard, I knew that this was going.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: To be a big deal.
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: The road that she was located on was Big Bend Road.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: At the dead end of that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: Peyton wasn't moving a whole lot. But as I approached her,
• 28:31
  Speaker 16: I said, Hi, I'm Offster Dan.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Are you okay?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And she said no, And I said, okay, help is
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: on the way.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Just stay right where you are.
• 28:40
  Speaker 16: And as I got closer, I started to see a
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: little bit more blood. And the closer I got, the
• 28:45
  Speaker 16: more blood I saw.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Somehow she'd been able to pull herself out of those woods,
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: and in another moment of strength, she was able to
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: communicate with him.
• 28:54
  Speaker 16: I asked her who did this and she told me
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: her friend Morgan. And then I asked to where did
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: this happen and she told me that happened in the woods.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You're hearing Officer Dan Klin speaking with twenty twenty's David
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Muir Levi Page Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: when the search warrant was executed on Geysera and Where's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: homes what was found?
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: So I mentioned about the Internet searches on Morgan's computer
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: that said how to get away with murder. They had
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: also found mutilated dolls in her room that had the
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: body parts cut off of them.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, Dear Lord in heaven did Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: professor of forensics and author of Blood Beneath My Feet
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, this is right up your alley,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: speaking of forensics.
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: Uh yeah, well, Nancy, let me go to something real
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: quick that you know, we've talked about this, this obsession
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: that these girls have with slender Man, and they're doing
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: his bidding and living in this fantastical world where they're
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: you know, they've got to make some kind of I
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: don't know sacrifice this guy. Let me tell you what's
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: based in reality. What's based in reality is this poor
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: girl was subject to being stabbed by five a blade
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: of five inches in lengthd and she stabbed nineteen times. Nancy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: Her liver was actually clipped. It passed through her pancreas
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: it passed through her diaphragm, and she was very close
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: to dine. You know, I did a calculation just a
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: moment ago. Let's just say that she only weighed eighty
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: pounds twelve years old. You know, she's gotten less than
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: a gallon of blood in her body. It is an
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: absolute miracle that she survived. And I'm just talking about
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: the organs, not to mention all the little peripheral stab
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: wounds that she sustained. She had an angel on her
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: shoulder at that time.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: The injuries done to this twelve year old little girl
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: are overwhelming.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: But listen to this.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: After we're and guys are tell detectives they had to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: kill Bella to become Slenderman's servants. We now know that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: when the jury decided the little girls were mentally insane,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: were had a mental defect. This means that every six
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: months they can petition the court to be released every
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: six months. According to the victim's mom, she says, the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: potential release of an assailant that methodically planned and executed
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: an attack on our little girl where she was stabbed
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen times put the community in our family at risk.
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: Anissa Weir took a plea deal and she pled pleading
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: guilty to a lesser charge of attempted second degree intentional homicide.
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: As part of her deal, a jury would hear her
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: insanity defense. Then they were going to decide on whether
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: or not she would be responsible and sent to prison,
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: are not guilty by a reason of a mental defect
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: and sent to a mental institution. They wanted to send
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: her to a mental institution so she didn't get set
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: to prison. In twenty seventeen, a jury found her not
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: guilty by reason of a mental disease or defect and
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: was sentenced to a twenty five year commitment into a
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: state institution. And Morgan Geyser's lawyers also made a similar deal.
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: She pleaded guilty to attempted first degree intentional homicide and
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: prosecutors agreed as part of this deal not to challenge
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: her insanity defense, and she was sentenced to forty years
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: in a mental institution.
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: Anissa Weyer, who was committed for her role in the attack,
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: was granted conditional release in September twenty twenty one. She
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: was required to receive outpatient psychiatric treatment and subject to
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: GPS monitoring, though the monitoring was waived in September of
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: last year.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Slender Man is actually a
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: fictional character.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Slender Man originated in an online art contest back in
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Then slender Man became a popular meme.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It drove a Nissa Weir Morgan Geyser to stab their
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: twelve year old friend, Peyton Lautner.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: The girls claim they feared.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Their own families would die if they did not do
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: slender Man's bidding. This mythical creature is depicted as an
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: unnaturally tall, thin figure with a blank, featureless face, wearing
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a black suit. He has creepy, long, tentacle like arms,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and they could be extended to catch his prey. It's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: an urban legend that slender Man can cause memory loss, insomnia,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and paranoia. We think slender Man originated in a photoshop
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: contest on the comedy website Something awful.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It went viral, and then there were.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Several stories written about slender Man on Creepy Pasta that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was published online. Then the character seemingly developed his own life.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: He got two feature length films funded by Kickstarter, and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of amateur video games. So these girls get
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: sucked into slender Man, but that's not insanity. Take a
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: listen to Peyton the victim, also on Isabella as she
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: speaks out.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: Have you ever watched any of those interrogations.
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: I watched a little bit.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: What was your reaction.
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: It was a little shocking to me to see that
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: they had this big, huge plan that they had been
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: working on for months.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Do you remember leaving the park to go to the woods.
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: They just wanted to go on a walk, and I
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: didn't think much of it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: It's just a walk.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: It's in walk a shot, like what bad stuff happens
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: in Waukesha, Wisconsin. And Lisa told me to lie on
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: the ground and like cover myself in like sticks and
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: leaves and stuff.
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: But it was really just a trick.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: When you hear them describe two investigators and Lisa telling
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: Morgan just to do it, I think that the word
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: was globalistic.
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: Oh, I remember that. I do remember them chatting right
• 35:25
  Speaker 13: next to me while I was just laying.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: There, And do you remember when it started?
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: Kind of I didn't feel anything because my body was
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: in shock from the adrenaline.
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: I didn't feel a thing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: Do you remember the moment they left you?
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: I think I remember them running away, but I kind
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: of just laid there.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: For a minute. You walked out of the woods.
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: I got up, grabbed a couple trees for support, I think,
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: and then just walked until I hit a patch of
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: grass where.
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: I could lay down.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: To doctor Daniel Biber, forensic psychiatrist joining us, what would
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: be the prospects of these two would be killers ever
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: becoming anything less than a threat if they are released?
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: Nancy, I totally agree with you. I'm sorry I strike
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: that I totally disagree with you. The brain of a
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: twelve year.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Old, I believe that's what she called a Freudian slip.
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: But go ahead.
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: The brain of a twelve year old is just not
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: the brain of a twenty five year old. And the
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: science is not consistent with what you guys are saying.
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: For example, children who display what we call conduct disorder behavior,
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: two thirds of them do not go on, I repeat,
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: do not go on to become antisocial. So a twelve
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: year old committing a murder?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, well, did you say conduct disorder?
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: It's what we call conduct disorder. It's sort of the forerunner.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Does that include stabbing deaths?
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: I agree that a stabbing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're making a sound like she just threw
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a tantrum in the floor of target.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: No, that's not what happened.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: But that's actually that would actually be more oppositional behavior.
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: But the point I'm trying to make is you can't
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: say and that someone who's twelve who commits a murder
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: at twenty five is going to be a menace to
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: society because they're a totally different persons and they have
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: a totally different brain at twenty five than they did
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: at age twelve.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I do know that what happened has changed Peyton lawn
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or the victim's life forever.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: One of the things I will never forget from this
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: interview with Peyton Lightner, all these years later is what
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: she said to me when I asked, what would you
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: say to Morgan Geyser if you saw her today, if
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: she saw this interview, what would you want to say
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: to her.
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: There's a lot that I would want to say to her.
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: I would probably initially thank her.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: I would say, because of what she did, I have
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: the life I have now, which I really really like it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: You do know that when people hear you say I
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: would probably thank her that, they're going to be surprised.
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: I'm surprised to hear myself say that. Why because I
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: wouldn't think that someone who went through what I did
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: whatever say that. But that's truly how I feel like.
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: Without the whole situation, I wouldn't be who.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I am stronger.
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: A Wisconsin judge will now hear evidence in April to
• 38:16
  Speaker 15: decide whether to release Morgan Geyser from the Middle Health
• 38:19
  Speaker 15: facility where she's being held. The twenty one year old
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: Geyser requested conditional release from the Winnebago Middal Health Institute
• 38:27
  Speaker 15: from Waukeshaw County Circuit Judge Michael Boren back in January.
• 38:32
  Speaker 15: This is similar to a petition that Geyser filed in
• 38:35
  Speaker 15: twenty twenty two for conditional release, but Geyser withdrew that
• 38:39
  Speaker 15: request two months later. The judge appointed three psychiatric experts,
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: one on behalf of Geyser one on behalf of prosecutors,
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: and the third as a court appointee to examine Geyser
• 38:51
  Speaker 15: and produce reports on her current mental condition. Judge Boren
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: then set a hearing for April tenth through the eleventh
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: to consider the reports and possibly rule on the release request.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: The dichotomy is that the other defendant, Weir, has been released. Frankly,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I think they should both still be behind bars. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: perceive them as a threat. We wait as just as unfolds.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,