Latest / Investor Exchange / Why Keppel REIT Just Went All In On Australian Retail In FY2025
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Welcome back to another deep dive. So I want to start today with a bit of a
- 0:12riddle. Oh, I like riddles.
- 0:13It's actually a pretty frustrating one if you're an investor. So here it is.
- 0:18How can a company own billions of dollars in real estate, collect more rent
- 0:21than ever, and yet pay out less money to you, the shareholder?
- 0:25Ah, sounds like a trick question, doesn't it? Or just bad math.
- 0:31It feels like bad math. I was looking online and you can see people just scratching
- 0:34their heads. They see the headline, you know, record income.
- 0:37They get excited. And then the distribution notice arrives.
- 0:40Exactly. And it's lighter than last year's. It is the classic good news, bad news scenario.
- 0:46It really is. And that's the core tension in Keppel Reit's fiscal year 2025 results.
- 0:51They just released the full report last week, February 4th. So our job today
- 0:55is to kind of play detective. We need to figure out where that money went,
- 0:59why the payout dropped, and whether this is a sign of trouble or just them changing course. Right.
- 1:04For anyone new to this, can you give us the like 10 second version of Keppel-Reid? Who are they? Sure.
- 1:10So Keppel-Reid is a real estate investment trust. Right.
- 1:14Put simply, they're a giant landlord. A very fancy landlord. A very fancy one, yeah.
- 1:19They own premium grade A commercial buildings. We're talking shiny glass towers
- 1:23in Singapore, Australia, South Korea.
- 1:26Right, the ones in the financial district with the amazing air conditioning
- 1:29and the $10 coffees in the lobby.
- 1:32Those are the ones. And the deal with the Reed is usually simple.
- 1:35They collect rent, they pay the bills, and then they pass almost all the leftover profit to you.
- 1:40Which brings us right back to the drama in 2025.
- 1:44Because we have this record income, a really weird plot twist with a shopping mall.
- 1:49We definitely need to talk about the mall. We do. And some debt numbers that
- 1:53at first glance look honestly terrifying.
- 1:56I think management would probably call it a transformational year.
- 1:59But yeah, drama works too.
- 2:00It was repositioning. They basically took a few short-term hits for what they
- 2:04hope is a much stronger long-term gain.
- 2:07Okay, let's start with the good news then before we get to the painful part. The top line.
- 2:12The revenue. The business itself seems to be running really well,
- 2:15right? Oh, operationally, the numbers are genuinely strong.
- 2:19Property income hit 274.5 million. Which is up, what, almost 5%?
- 2:25Up 4.9%. But the number I really focus on is net property income, or NPI.
- 2:30Okay, break that down for us. What's the difference? So property income is just
- 2:34all the cash coming in the door.
- 2:35NPI is what's left after you pay for, you know, property taxes,
- 2:39maintenance, security. The cost of running the building. Exactly.
- 2:42And that number, the MPI, grew even faster. It was up 6.9% to $215.9 million. Wow. Okay.
- 2:49Almost 7% growth in actual profit from the properties. That's really solid.
- 2:54Where did that come from? Did they just hike the rent on everybody?
- 2:57That's a piece of it, for sure. But it was mostly driven by their new assets.
- 3:01If you remember back in May 2024, they bought a stake in 255 George Street in Sydney.
- 3:07Vaguely, yeah. Well, 2025 was the first year they got a full 12 months of rent
- 3:12from that building. They gave the numbers a big boost.
- 3:14But it wasn't just that. They also managed to squeeze more out of their existing properties.
- 3:19Like where? Like at 2 Blue Street, also in Sydney. They just filled up more
- 3:23of the empty offices, so occupancy rose.
- 3:25And here in Singapore, rents are just...
- 3:30Well, they're strong across the board. So the engine is running great.
- 3:33The buildings are printing money, which brings me to the part that really stings. Yo.
- 3:37The distribution per unit. If the buildings are making more money,
- 3:41why is my slice of the pie getting smaller?
- 3:43It dropped to 5.23 cents. That's down 6.6%. Right.
- 3:48And for an income investor, you know, someone who relies on that check, a 6.6% pay cut is.
- 3:54It's a big deal. It's a huge deal. So explain this to me like I'm five.
- 3:58Where did the money go? Okay. We have to talk about something called dilution.
- 4:02Let's use a pizza analogy. I am always here for a pizza analogy.
- 4:06Imagine you and I, we order a pizza. It's cut into four huge slices.
- 4:10We each get two. Great. I'm with you so far. But then we decide,
- 4:14hey, next year, let's throw a bigger party.
- 4:17We want to buy more snacks, maybe a second pizza.
- 4:19But we don't have the cash on us. So we invite two more friends to the table to chip in some money.
- 4:24Okay, so now there are four of us. Correct. But the second pizza hasn't arrived yet.
- 4:29So for right now, we had to split that original pizza four ways instead of just two.
- 4:34Ah, my slice just got way smaller. Way smaller.
- 4:37The friends are the new investors.
- 4:41Keppel Reid issued new shares to raise cash late in the year.
- 4:44So the number of slices, the unit base, it just got a lot bigger.
- 4:48But wait, don't the new buildings they bought with that money come with their
- 4:51own rent checks? Isn't that the second pizza? It is. But the delivery driver
- 4:55was really, really late.
- 4:56This is the key. Yeah. The timing mismatch. Okay.
- 4:59They issued the new shares late in 2025, so the dilution happened right away.
- 5:04But look at when they actually bought the new assets. They completed the Top
- 5:08Ride Shopping Center purchase on December 19th. Pretty late in the year.
- 5:11And they bought the extra steak at Marina Bay Financial Center Tower 3 on December 31st.
- 5:17December 31st, the absolute last day of the year. The very last day.
- 5:21So they had more mouths to feed for the last part of the year,
- 5:24but the giant new income stream only really existed for, what, one day? Precisely.
- 5:29You took all the pain of the smaller slice in 2025.
- 5:33But the benefit, the second pizza, doesn't really show up on your plate until
- 5:372026. That is frustratingly logical.
- 5:41It makes sense, but it still hurts.
- 5:44I also saw something in the fine print about management fees.
- 5:47Something about them switching from taking units to taking cash. Is that part of this?
- 5:53It's very relevant, actually. So in the past, the REIT manager would take their
- 5:56fee in the form of new units.
- 5:58So they got paid in shares of the company. Right.
- 6:01Which saves cash, but it's also a slow drip dilution.
- 6:04It's like the pizza is constantly getting sliced just a little bit thinner every
- 6:08single year. A silent killer. Exactly.
- 6:11But this year, they changed the policy. Now they're taking 25% of their fee
- 6:14in cash. Why do that? It's a signal to the market.
- 6:17They're basically saying, we know the unit price is low and we don't want to dilute you any further.
- 6:22Taking cash actually reduces the distributable income by a couple million dollars,
- 6:26but it protects the value of the shares you already own. It's a shareholder-friendly move.
- 6:30Okay, that actually is good to know. It feels like they're trying to build a
- 6:33floor under the price. So let's talk about what they bought with all that money.
- 6:38More of MBFC Tower 3. I get that.
- 6:41Doubling down on your core market. Right. It's boring, stable,
- 6:46safe Singapore office space.
- 6:49It increases their Singapore exposure to nearly 80%.
- 6:52It's a flight to quality. But
- 6:54Fortress Asset. But then they did something that made me do a double take.
- 6:58They bought a mall, Top Ride City Shopping Center in Sydney. Yes, a 75% stake. A mall.
- 7:04I thought the whole narrative for the last five years was retail is dead.
- 7:08You know, e-commerce, Amazon is king. Why on earth is an office landlord suddenly
- 7:12buying a shopping mall? It is definitely a pivot.
- 7:14And it's their very first pure play retail investment. But you have to look closer.
- 7:19The death of the mall idea is a very American story. Things are a bit different in Australia. How so?
- 7:25Well, first, the data they cited shows Australian household spending was up over 6% in late 2025.
- 7:31The consumer is still spending. But more importantly, look at what kind of mall
- 7:35this is. Yeah. It's not a luxury fashion destination.
- 7:38So like supermarkets and pharmacies. Exactly.
- 7:41Supermarkets, services, cinemas. It's a suburban community hub.
- 7:46People go there because they need to, not just to browse. And it sits on valuable
- 7:50freehold land. The strategy here is all about diversification.
- 7:54Right, not putting all your eggs in the office basket. Precisely.
- 7:58There's still a lingering fear about the future of office work.
- 8:01So by buying a defensive, needs-based mall, they're smoothing out their income.
- 8:07If the office market has a tough year, maybe the mall has a good one.
- 8:10I see the logic. It's a hedge.
- 8:12But since you mentioned the fear of hybrid work, how are their actual offices
- 8:17doing? Are the desks full?
- 8:19The numbers suggest they are. We need to look at a metric called rental reversion.
- 8:23And that's just the difference between the old rent on an expired lease and
- 8:26the new rent they signed for, right? Correct. If the market was dead,
- 8:29that number would be negative. You'd be offering discounts.
- 8:31But Keppel REIT reported a positive rental reversion of plus 11.5%. Wait, what?
- 8:37Plus 11.5 percent. That's huge. So new tenants are paying over 11 percent more
- 8:42than the old ones were. Yes.
- 8:44That is the ultimate proof of pricing power. It shows the demand for their specific
- 8:49high quality buildings is incredibly strong.
- 8:52What about overall occupancy?
- 8:54Portfolio committed occupancy is 96.7 percent. That sounds really high. It's incredibly high.
- 9:00In some U.S. cities, office vacancy is, what, 20, 30 percent?
- 9:04Keppel is sitting at less than 4 percent empty. it's a real flight to quality.
- 9:08Companies might be shrinking their overall footprint, but the space they keep
- 9:12has to be the best. Who are these tenants, though?
- 9:15It's a very boring list, which is exactly what you want as an investor.
- 9:20Almost 40% of new demand came from banking and finance, another 25% from tech and media.
- 9:26These are blue-chip, stable tenants who aren't going anywhere.
- 9:29Okay, so the buildings are full, tenants are paying more, but we have to talk
- 9:32about the balance sheet.
- 9:33I was flipping through their slides, and I saw a number that made my heart skip a beat.
- 9:38Aggregate leverage, 47.9%. Yes, the leverage ratio.
- 9:44For anyone listening, the regulatory limit for Singapore REITs is usually 50%.
- 9:5047.9 feels like you're standing on the edge of a cliff. If you just look at
- 9:54that headline number, it is terrifying. I agree.
- 9:57But this is where you have to read the footnotes. I call it the snapshot defense.
- 10:01A snapshot defense. Explain that. That 47.9% number was the leverage on one
- 10:08specific day, December 31st, 2025.
- 10:11Ah, the day they bought the new building. Exactly. To close those deals quickly,
- 10:16they used short-term debt called equity bridge loans.
- 10:20It's like putting a massive purchase on your credit card because you know your
- 10:23bonus is clearing in two weeks.
- 10:25So the debt was on the books, but the cash from the new investors hadn't landed yet. Precisely.
- 10:29The report clearly states that by January 20th, less than three weeks later,
- 10:33they got the cash for investors and paid off those bridge loans.
- 10:37So what's the real number, the adjusted leverage?
- 10:39The adjusted pro forma leverage is 40.4 percent. Oh, OK. 40.4 percent is.
- 10:45Completely normal. It's very healthy. But yeah, if you just saw that one chart,
- 10:49without context, you'd think there was a crisis.
- 10:51It was just a temporary accounting blip. That's a huge relief.
- 10:55But speaking of debt, how are they handling the higher interest rate environment?
- 10:59Their average cost of debt is 3.41%. In this climate, that seems pretty good. It's very solid.
- 11:06And crucially, 62% of their debt is on fixed rates, which protects them from any future rate hikes.
- 11:13Okay, let's look forward then. 2025 was the weird, confusing year.
- 11:17What does 2026 look like? The theme for 2026 is full contribution.
- 11:23Remember the pizza analogy? Delete delivery.
- 11:26Well, the second pizza has arrived. In 2026, they get a full 12 months of income
- 11:30from the Top Ride Mall and from their bigger stake in MBFC Tower 3.
- 11:35So the dilution pain is in the past and now the income gain begins. That's the plan.
- 11:39Yeah. The income base is just fundamentally larger now. One thing I see on all
- 11:42these reports is ESG. They talk about net zero and Greenmark Platinum ratings.
- 11:47Is this just, you know, marketing fluff or does it actually help my investment?
- 11:51In commercial real estate, it absolutely matters for returns.
- 11:55They mentioned MBSE Tower 3 got this BCA Greenmark Platinum Super Low Energy certification.
- 12:02That's a mouthful. It is. But think about what it means.
- 12:05Super low energy means lower utility bills, so higher profit margins.
- 12:09More importantly, think about those blue-chip tenants we talked about.
- 12:13The big banks and tech firms. Exactly.
- 12:15Yeah. They all have their own ESG mandates. They promise their shareholders they'll be net zero.
- 12:20They literally are not allowed to sign a lease in a building that isn't green certified.
- 12:25So having the best green rating isn't about saving the planet.
- 12:29It's about making sure the richest tenants are allowed to rent from you.
- 12:32It's a competitive moat. It's tenant retention.
- 12:35Older, inefficient brown buildings are going to become a real liability.
- 12:39Okay, so we've explained away a lot of the scary stuff, but let's play devil's advocate.
- 12:42What could still go wrong in 2026? What are the biggest risks?
- 12:46I'd say there are two main ones. First is currency risk. Because they own assets overseas.
- 12:51Right. They collect rent in Australian dollars, Korean one, but they report
- 12:55and pay dividends in Singapore dollars.
- 12:58In 2025, the Singh dollar was very strong, which meant all that foreign rent
- 13:03was worth less when they brought it home.
- 13:05If that trend continues, it's a headwind. And the second risk.
- 13:09It's still interest rates.
- 13:11Yes, their current cost of debt is low, but they have loans that need to be
- 13:14refinanced the next couple of years.
- 13:16If rates stay higher for longer, those new loans will be more expensive and
- 13:21that eats directly into profits.
- 13:22So we're not totally out of the woods, but the path looks a lot clearer.
- 13:26The way I'd summarize come 25.
- 13:28Yeah. It was like a runner stopping mid-race to tie their shoes.
- 13:32How so? Well, if your shoe comes untied, you have to stop. Your pace drops for a minute.
- 13:36To the spectators, the investors, it just looks like you're slowing down. That was the DP drop.
- 13:41But if you don't stop, you'd trip and fall later. Exactly.
- 13:44They stopped. They tied their shoes tight by buying the new assets and fixing
- 13:48the balance sheet. And now they're ready to sprint again in 2026.
- 13:51That's a great way to put it. And I think the big provocative question I'm left with is about that mall.
- 13:56Is this a one-off thing? Or is Keppel Reitz signaling that the golden age of
- 14:00the pure office landlord is over? It's a fascinating question. Thank you.
- 14:05The line between where we work, live, and shop is blurring. Yeah.
- 14:09Maybe our real estate portfolios need to blur a little bit, too.
- 14:12Well, I feel a lot better about those results now. We've gone from bad math to a strategic pause.
- 14:17Knowledge is power. Thanks for breaking it all down for us. That wraps up our
- 14:21deep dive into Keppel Reitz FY 2025.
- 14:24Thanks for listening. And before we go, here's the mandatory disclaimer.
- 14:29This content is intended to serve strictly and only as an informational, independent,
- 14:34objective summary of recent events, and should in no way be interpreted,
- 14:38construed, or relied upon by any party as inside information or financial advice.
- 14:42We'll see you on the next Deep Doe.