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Is Having a Boyfriend Embarrassing Now? | Maintaining Frame 188 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Women wanting to straddle two worlds where they can receive
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  Speaker 1: the social benefits of having a partner but also not
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  Speaker 1: a peer. So boyfriend upsets that they come across as
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  Speaker 1: quite culturally loser ish.
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  Speaker 2: What so okay? So what is where is the okay?
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  Speaker 2: That this is exactly what I'm talking about. The only
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  Speaker 2: appeasement that this woman will accept is if these women
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  Speaker 2: kick the man out of their lives.
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  Speaker 3: If she is looking like.
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  Speaker 2: This, a man here?
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  Speaker 3: Do I hear?
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing that's going to appease this woman except that
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  Speaker 2: there never was a man in the picture at all.
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  Speaker 2: This is her problem, and somebody thought it was intelligent
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  Speaker 2: to publish this mental.
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  Speaker 1: Illness behind a paywall. No last, this is basically the
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  Speaker 1: pain to read this tripe.
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  Speaker 2: This is the rantings of somebody in a padded room.
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  Speaker 2: And yet somebody's like, oh, this is brilliant, This is brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna go live. Hello everybody, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison.
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  Speaker 1: And this is maintaining frame number one eighty eight, is
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  Speaker 1: it is having a boyfriend embarrassing? Now where we will
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  Speaker 1: be looking at an article from Vogue. I had to
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  Speaker 1: archive it because I'm not paying them to look at
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  Speaker 1: this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Should pay where nobody should pay for miss injury.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, nobody should pay for that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at this article from Chante
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  Speaker 1: Joseph which asks the question is having a boyfriend embarrassing? Now?
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  Speaker 1: And for some reason, my my, my talking seems to
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  Speaker 1: be delayed. I'm going to fix this really quick with
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  Speaker 1: a quick Refrara, all right, I'm back. Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why, uh this happened, but
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  Speaker 1: we should be good difficulties essentially, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to, like, you know, give it away, but essentially.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting to the.
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  Speaker 1: Point now where women are are so concerned with their
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  Speaker 1: status that they're questioning continuing our species because.
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  Speaker 4: They want to hold on to it. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: to be embarrassed. So that's where we're at. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: where we're at.
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  Speaker 2: The attacks on heterosexuality continue, specifically the female half of heterosexuality.
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  Speaker 2: The attacks on the male half are sort of more nuanced.
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  Speaker 2: You still have to desire, but you need to feel
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  Speaker 2: supremely guilty about it and tithe to our Lord and savior.
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  Speaker 2: Well sorry our lord s and savior s feminism. So
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's get into it. Let's just do
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  Speaker 3: it all right, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, If someone so much as says my boyf on
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  Speaker 1: social media, they're muted. There's nothing I hate more than
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  Speaker 1: following someone for fun, only for their content to become
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  Speaker 1: my boyfriend to find suddenly this is probably because.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's like, these are fairly long paragraphs. So I
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  Speaker 2: think we're gonna have to go for like two sentences
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  Speaker 2: and then stop because we can't.
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  Speaker 1: I'll stop after every two sentence. Just tell me what
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  Speaker 1: to do and I'll do it.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, so they're.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is propaganda, guys. And again, this is
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  Speaker 2: the relentless march of presenting men as unsuitable partners, unsuitable companions.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I don't know why we are
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  Speaker 2: doing this. I mean, what we could you could say?
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  Speaker 2: Tell us in the chat? Why has our society decided
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  Speaker 2: that women should not pair up with men? Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? Why is Bulk writing this article?
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  Speaker 3: Like? Why why are you pushing this?
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  Speaker 2: And again, this is not just this is not oh,
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  Speaker 2: men are abusive, men are sexually aggressive, whatever else, which
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  Speaker 2: is also both of which are also false, and I
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  Speaker 2: have the stats to prove it.
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  Speaker 3: This is simply, Oh, you're just gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be so so unfashionable if you have a boyfriend, you're
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  Speaker 2: so unfashionable.
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  Speaker 3: We're just going to shame you.
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  Speaker 2: We're just gonna make it socially no, is that how
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  Speaker 2: you say that word. We're gonna make it a social ghost. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna make it a social full pod be associated
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  Speaker 2: it anyway with those LEDs, you know, like they're just
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  Speaker 2: they've gone past.
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  Speaker 3: Oh they're dangerous. They're dangerous to you ladies.
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  Speaker 2: And and also they're a net negative. They do all this,
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  Speaker 2: they do all this expectation of emotional labor, and they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna force you to be a bang housemaid. And now
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  Speaker 2: we're just, oh, we're just going to socially shame you
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  Speaker 2: if you even think about it, Like this is the
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  Speaker 2: party of single women, the party of old maids. Shut up,
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  Speaker 2: just just just shut it. Yeah, exit stage right, Okay, next, next, next.
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  Speaker 1: Time, next time.
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  Speaker 4: Continuing.
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  Speaker 1: This is probably because for so long it felt like
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  Speaker 1: we were living in one in what one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite substackers calls boyfriend Land, a world where women's online
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  Speaker 1: identities centered around the lives of their partners, a situation
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  Speaker 1: rarely seen reversed.
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  Speaker 4: Bullshit, bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that that men don't tend to In
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  Speaker 2: my experience, men don't tend to want to use their
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  Speaker 2: partners for social media cloud at least not as much.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe some feminists.
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  Speaker 2: Do, but for the most part, they center their lives
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  Speaker 2: in terms of, I don't know, building the patio that
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  Speaker 2: she asks for, making sure she has the house she wants,
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  Speaker 2: making sure, you know, she has time to do her hobbies,
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  Speaker 2: supporting her in her life choices, all of that crap.
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  Speaker 2: That's how men center their lives around women. Women apparently
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  Speaker 2: center their lives around men by making them jump through
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  Speaker 2: hoops and then showing the results on TikTok. Do you
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  Speaker 2: notice that It's like it's it's not okay. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he really wants something, so I'm gonna put some money
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  Speaker 2: aside to save up for it so he so I
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  Speaker 2: can get it for him for Christmas or his birthday
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  Speaker 2: and not stuff like that. It's like, okay, little doggy,
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  Speaker 2: can you jump through this flaming hoop that I discovered
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: You did?
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  Speaker 2: Hah? Look at my boyfriend is so awesome, Like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not centering your life around your boyfriend. It's centering your
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  Speaker 2: social media cloud on for what you can make him do.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen this stuff. I've seen it, all right. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm completely out of the line, I'm sure there's
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  Speaker 2: there's If there we have any female watchers, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: a few of you are losing your shit over what
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  Speaker 2: I've just said. But really search your feelings, search them
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  Speaker 2: and think about the TikTok content you've seen. How much
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  Speaker 2: of it is I'm saving up to get my boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: something he really likes, and how much is look at
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  Speaker 2: the ship I can make my boyfriend do. Come on,
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  Speaker 2: search your feelings, search your search your logic.
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  Speaker 3: No, wait, don't do that. We might never we might
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  Speaker 3: never see you again.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, next, next, All right, Women were rewarded for their
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  Speaker 1: ability to find and keep a man with elevated social
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  Speaker 1: status and praise. It became even more suffocating when this
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  Speaker 1: could be leveraged on social media for engagement and if
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  Speaker 1: you were serious enough, financial gain.
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  Speaker 2: So they're admitting this, Yeah, they're admitting that they could
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  Speaker 2: leverage what I can make my boyfriend do for social
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  Speaker 2: cloud and financial gain.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I guess there are a few homemaker TikTokers who I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know do they do?
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  Speaker 2: They do, Oh, I'm doing this all for my husband,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: The last, the last big controversial one was the egg apron,
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  Speaker 2: and that was the husband doing something for his wife.
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't Yeah, that wasn't good enough because he
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  Speaker 2: knew what she wanted and apparently got her this really
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  Speaker 2: expensive European egg apron, you know, not just d just
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  Speaker 2: deny right, just he didn't just go to the farmer's
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  Speaker 2: market getting pick one up from the I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: the Amish.
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  Speaker 3: No, he went or didn't go.
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  Speaker 2: He got it from Italy, right, fashionable egg apron for
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  Speaker 2: her to wear while depositing eggs in it. And everybody
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  Speaker 2: lost their shit, remember the feminists. And that wasn't even
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  Speaker 2: about her saying oh this is all the stuff I know.
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  Speaker 2: That was just her receiving a gift. So maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: talking about that kind of stuff. But that wouldn't be boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: it would be husband, right, And in that case, it's
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  Speaker 2: not really husband because if you're a homesteader and you're
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  Speaker 2: a woman, you're also benefiting from your own labor. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you're building a homestead, but you're both benefiting from it.
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  Speaker 2: You are also benefiting from it. You are also benefiting
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  Speaker 2: from a greater amount of material autonomy from the nightmare
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  Speaker 2: we know and know as the modern economy. Okay, you
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  Speaker 2: know you're also benefiting from that through your own labor, which, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you're building something, not just doing it for a man.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it's so frustrating. When a woman builds a
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  Speaker 2: life with a man, she isn't just building a life
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  Speaker 2: for a man. She's building her own life with a man.
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  Speaker 2: And the way that they frame this stuff is so
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  Speaker 2: deceitful and dishonest.
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  Speaker 3: Like, if you.
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  Speaker 2: Want someone, if you want to maximize the likelihood of
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  Speaker 2: having a partner who just does stuff because he sees
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  Speaker 2: you have a need or a desire and he just
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  Speaker 2: does it to fulfill it, get a man. If you
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  Speaker 2: want a partner who is more likely to punch you
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  Speaker 2: in the face, get a woman.
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  Speaker 3: And they don't say any of this. They don't say
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  Speaker 3: any of this.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why, and it's not necessarily because lesbians
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  Speaker 2: are so awful. The reason why is because you have
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  Speaker 2: two people who have never learned to control their violence
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  Speaker 2: and their anger because they aren't expected to. It's girl bossing, now,
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  Speaker 2: all right, it's girl bossing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: You go girl, you express your rage, all right.
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  Speaker 1: However, more recently, there's been a pronounced shift in the
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  Speaker 1: way people showcase their relationships online. Far from fully hard
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  Speaker 1: launching romantic partners, straight women are opting for subtler signs
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  Speaker 1: a hand on a steering wheel, clinking glasses at dinner,
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  Speaker 1: or the back of someone's head. On the more confusing end,
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  Speaker 1: you have faces.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really long sentence. Just stop after. I know
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  Speaker 3: this is a.
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  Speaker 2: Little they they fucked they they threw you with that colon.
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  Speaker 2: You see that colon after relationships online they're putting colon's in.
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  Speaker 3: That was two freaking sentences. I mean, you don't really
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  Speaker 3: need a colon there.
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  Speaker 2: You can have a freaking period and then that you know. Anyway, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so now women are being more subtle. Why are they
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  Speaker 2: being more subtle? And why do you have such a
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  Speaker 2: problem with this? I can see that you have a
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  Speaker 2: man in your life. You aso.
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  Speaker 3: Him?
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  Speaker 2: Are you I'm gonna I'm gonna ostracize you?
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  Speaker 1: You know, one could see this like the handle of
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  Speaker 1: the steering wheel, the clinking glasses, the back of somebody's head.
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  Speaker 1: As just like the woman making these posts making herself
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  Speaker 1: more the center of attention than the man, and the
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  Speaker 1: man is like an accessory because it's like he's there,
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  Speaker 1: but we don't need to know anything about him. He's
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  Speaker 1: not important, He's secondary. I mean, I'm not offended by that,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what I think is happening. They're basically just
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  Speaker 1: making themselves more the main character in their on their posts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the fact that they what what would be
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  Speaker 2: the solution here? Just completely edit out his existence from
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  Speaker 2: her life entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're talking about men,
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  Speaker 1: if them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, get rid of all references to the fact
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  Speaker 2: you have a partner. You should he should you should
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  Speaker 2: live in the closet. If you're a heterosexual woman, your
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  Speaker 2: partner should live in the closet and only come out
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  Speaker 2: when you say, like, what the hell is this? Like
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  Speaker 2: who who looked at this and said this should be published?
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  Speaker 2: This should be this should be thrown out.
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  Speaker 3: In the thought of sphere.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because this is femisphere content, right, This is contempt
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  Speaker 2: and hatred for men and having relationships with men. And
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  Speaker 2: of course I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even think manosphere has contempt for women's relationships women,
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  Speaker 1: so wouldn't. It's not even really a you know, like, but.
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  Speaker 2: It is femosp saying it's analog to Manosphere.
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  Speaker 3: But it's femosphere.
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  Speaker 2: It's the empire, empire content. Yeah, it's the fem death Star.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, like, like, I can see how
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  Speaker 1: some people would try to make the equivalents, but there
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  Speaker 1: is this is a lot, this is a lot more
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  Speaker 1: anti human, yes, than.
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  Speaker 2: Was over contempt for the existence of men and relationships
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  Speaker 2: with men. Now, you know, as much as you could
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  Speaker 2: say about the manosphere. You know, in some fringe communities,
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  Speaker 2: which I again did at Grock Analysis, which is, you
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  Speaker 2: know about the only way you can do this stuff
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  Speaker 2: without going through feminist research, you know, there is fringe
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  Speaker 2: communities that express misogyny similar to the average feminist. But
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, for the most part, the manisphere
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  Speaker 2: would not express this level of contempt for having a
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  Speaker 2: relationship with a woman. In fact, that is their goal,
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  Speaker 2: except for Migtao, which is notable because it's not their
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  Speaker 2: goal and I'm not even sure they're even part of
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  Speaker 2: I guess they are part of the manosphere. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's us that is the question. But like this, this
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  Speaker 2: is contempt and it is published in Vogue, Like what
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  Speaker 2: are the financials of Vogue?
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  Speaker 3: Curious?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, while you're reading more, I will look that up.
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  Speaker 1: On the more confusing end, you have faces blurred out
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  Speaker 1: of wedding pictures or entire professionally edited videos with the
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  Speaker 1: fiance conveniently cropped out of all the shots. Again, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're basically just removing him, and maybe they're doing it
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  Speaker 1: to avoid this kind of shit from women online from
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  Speaker 1: or there. I mean, what's also likely is either their
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  Speaker 1: husband was like, look, I don't want to be in
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  Speaker 1: your pictures, which I don't think is likely, or.
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  Speaker 2: Because Jonathan will often say I don't want any part
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  Speaker 2: of this, right, yeah, my husband, so she maybe, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: that may be a situation where she's just like, well,
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  Speaker 2: he said, I don't you can do this content, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in it, right, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want I don't want this impact in my life. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want people, you know, looking me up on the job.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if there's any fallout because I did or
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  Speaker 2: said something to your audience and they and they twist it,
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  Speaker 2: the old spinsters clubs twists it into some horrible thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose my job over it, So
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  Speaker 2: just keep me out of it. You can do this,
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  Speaker 2: but keep me out of it completely. I can totally
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  Speaker 2: see that, especially in today's climate. But the fact is
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  Speaker 2: that she is complaining about women not even showing their partners,
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  Speaker 2: even having the trace that their partners exist, and she
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  Speaker 2: has a problem with it. You know, is it really
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  Speaker 2: because she's worried about these women that she's going to
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  Speaker 2: socially ostracize them for showing that they even have a partner?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Do you see like the just the clause of the
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  Speaker 2: party of single women here, just the jealous, envious talents,
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  Speaker 2: just like I can't even believe, I can't even believe
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  Speaker 2: you're showing any trace, any trace that you have a partner.
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  Speaker 2: That I'm gonna shame you. Really? Yeah, so much for
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  Speaker 2: women being able to choose whatever life they want.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right, women are obscuring their partner's face when
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  Speaker 1: they post, as if they want to erase the fact
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  Speaker 1: they exist without actually not posting. So what gives Are
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  Speaker 1: people embarrassed by their boyfriends now? Or is something more
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  Speaker 1: complicated going on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so the global fashion magazine market is a
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  Speaker 2: three point four to five billion dollar industry, and Vogue
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  Speaker 2: has ten to fifteen percent of that three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty million. We're looking at the themosphere like a three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollar project saying this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think even Andrew Tate has that much money?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not even I'm not like again, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that I agree with Andrew Tate's comment content. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at his clout and reach and how much money
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: he controls, and he doesn't even say shit like this.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have that much influence, not compared to not
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: not compared to the stuff like this. So well, okay.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: The special chat says the manosphere is kind of garbage.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I would not want to associate. It doesn't matter like
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: what you think that we are like, oh, yes, we're
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: we're we're buying a membership in the fricking manosphere. No,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: we're just associated with it by default because we don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: agree with the other side, so we're associated with it
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: by default. You are part of the manosphere. You comment
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: on this channel you're part of the manosphere. You have
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: any criticism of feminism, you're part of the manosphere. If
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you promote traditional values, you're part of the manosphere. If
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: you think merit is good, you're part of the manosphere. Right,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: this is that's what puts you in the manosphere. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I don't want to be associated in
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the manosphere because they're garbage. Really well, okay, but you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: are because you have been put in that category by
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the people who control media.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no point in the hoopooing it because like
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you can be MiG Tao trad Islam fucking
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you know, player, player, hater in cell MRA. It's all manosphere.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: These people, Like, there's no like you can't go up
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to them to the to the cathedral and say, hey,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I just want you guys to know, I'm not really
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: associated with those guys. So is it cool if I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: have criticisms of feminism, or if I you know, care
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: about fathers in the home, or I care about divorce court,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: or I care about circumcision. Guess what, No, bitch, you're
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: in the manosphere. That's the that's the the point is
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to exclude guys these people are not like, they wouldn't
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: be open to these ideas if only they came from
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the right folks. They're flat these ideas.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: So if you present anything that goes against yes, you're
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: just the wrong people. That's just what it is.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: It's the way it works.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, this is this is by design. And
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, like, one of the things that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I think, why is it always why do you want
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: to be associated with the manto sphere because it's garbage?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Why isn't ever ever?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Why do you want to be associated with the femosphere
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: because it's absolute toxic and wretched.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, go ahead, Brian, No.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm just saying that this kind of like
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: kind of like nitpicking of like, you know, what what
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: we are with or what we are not with without
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: just simply saying these are my values, this is what
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I believe, and wherever that lands is, wherever that lands,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I think it keeps us from actually like being more effective,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: because you end up having to condemn this person, condemn
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that person, you know, condemn these statements, and then these people,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: these people that run the cathedral, they're all like in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: lockstep or at least, they hold each other. They keep
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: each other from causing too much trouble on their own
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: side so that they can continue to push this bullshit forward.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: They confront people like you and they say, well, oh,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you're one of the Well, what do you have to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: say about what so and so said?
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: What do you have to say about this over here?
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Or what do you think about this?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And it puts you in this position where you're like, well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not like that, so like, that's bullshit, dude. You
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: gotta say, fuck you, this is what I believe. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: don't care who you associate with me with period. It's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the only way. And you and the people that actually
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: have those you say, hey, I heard that. You know
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you said some controversial things, but look, guess what do
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you believe these things that I believe?
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Here, here's my here are the values I think really matter.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Do you agree with these? Cool? Let's let's hold hands
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and let's take these motherfuckers out. That's that's how you
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: get things done, guys. That's the only way, because if
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you end up with this periody, you go to this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: purity spiraling and it's like you didn't condemn these people enough,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you didn't do this for these people, nothing gets done,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm kind of tired of it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm, I really am.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of tired of it because our opponents are
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: getting shit done. They push forward no matter what, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: if somebody steps out of line, guess what, they either
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: get kicked to the curb immediately and then they push
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: forward anyway, or they tell them you stand here, you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: stay lockstep because we're all moving towards the same goal.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: You know, this is why they work well with. You
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: would think groups that are completely the opposite, right.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Like Islamo fascists working with the lgbt q G mafia,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Well not, because they agree on anything except what they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: are trying to destroy. So they just they hold they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: lock hands and they go do it. And I'm just saying,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like we can, like we can get we can spend
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: hours and hours like falling into all the little nuances
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of all the ways if we're like we're a little
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: bit discussing with this little subgroup over here, this little
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: subgroup here. Guess what, though, that ain't gonna help. We
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just need to say, you know, what do you do?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You want to destroy feminism? I want to destroy family.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Let's destroy it together and then we'll work out our
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: problems after that's hard.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Or even let's just keep to these issues that we
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: advocate for.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: This is what we're about.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, our enemies are going to connect us with
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: people anyways. What I'm saying is we have to stop
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: caring yes out those connections.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: We have to drop that and.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Say I don't give a shit, Like that's that's it, Like, oh, well,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you think you're like so and so. I don't give
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a shit.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna condemn that person. I don't give
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a ship. They're over there. That's fine, that's not my problem.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: You're my problem. That's how you got to do it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the thing is that and also I don't these
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: people aren't really like allying with us. So we can
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: spend all of our time using what platform we have
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: to actually discredit people that we are not responsible for
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: platforming in the first place and disavow them, or we
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: can continue to pursue the values and the principles that
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: we pursue. Right, does the media have to answer for
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the fact that they platform who they platform in the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: manosphere or what they turn the manisphere? And we're included
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: in that even though the manisphere itself wouldn't include us.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: So do the media to have to respond to that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: for giving them more clout and attention? Does feminism have
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to respond for the fact that it defined masculinity in
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: such a way as certain individuals became the only ones
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: who are perceived as masculine, Like, the only pro social
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: masculine quality left to men is pleasing women physically with
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: their bodies. It's just passingly pro social. It's the only
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: thing left left to them. And what do we see
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: those men are being put on a pedestal by the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: media and then they turn around.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: And say, well, disavow them.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not responsible for them. I'm not responsible for
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: saying that that's the only passingly pro social form of masculinity.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Nor am I responsible for giving them a larger platform.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing to do with them and what they say.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And yes, I will be lumped in with them because
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it's convenient. But if I play that game, then I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: lose everything that I'm building to trying to appease to people,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: people who will never be appeased by my existence. That's
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the end thing. They won't these they won't be appeased.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: The only thing that will be appeased is when I'm
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: dead and they can piss on my grave if they
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: even bother to notice, right, this is yeah, would Why
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: would I spend a lick of time appeasing these people
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in any capacity when the only appeasement I can give
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: them is shutting up and going away?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: All right? So anyway, let me read back, go back
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to the article. So what gives are people embarrassed by
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: their boyfriends now? Or is something more complicated going on?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: To me, it feels like the result of women wanting
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to straddle two worlds, one where they can receive the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: social benefits of having a partner but also not a peer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So boyfriend upsets that they come across as quite culturally
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: loser ish.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: What so?
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So what is where is the okay that this is
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: exactly what I'm talking about? The only appeasement that this
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: woman will accept is if these women kick the man
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: out of their lives.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: If she is looking like, do you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Guys see any signs? Wos do I hear? There's nothing
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that's going to appease this woman except that there never
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was a man in the picture at all. This is
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: her problem, and somebody thought it was intelligent to publish
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: this mental illness.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Behind a paywall, no less or a subscription. This is
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: basically with the pain to read this tripe.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: This is the rantings of somebody in a padded room
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: using their own poop, and yet somebody is like, oh,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this is brilliant, this is brilliant. Let's let's throw it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, so so that this is a
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: gas lighting because they're trying to make somebody who has
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a partner out to be a loser. Yeah, as though,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: like that's not like a win condition, that's not a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: w for that person if that's what they are looking
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: for and that's what they managed to get, especially if
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they're like going on dates and like doing things together
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and posting it online and getting married and starting a family. No,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that's all loser behavior. Guys. Did you guys know that
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: if you're single and childless, you're a winner if you're
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a woman, if you're a man, you're an incel and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a loser.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: So anyway, this is.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Like gas lighting and sort of like but not just
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: gaslighting the women who are happy in relationships, but also
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: themselves into thinking that they're actually happy despite not feeling happy,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So okay anyway, they want the prize and celebration of partnership,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: but understand the norminess of it, says Zoe's some Smoodzi,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: writer and activist. The norminess of it is it okay
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to be normal? I mean I think we should strive
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to be normal on some level.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think I'm normal, but I don't.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: This is in aane again, we're talking about a woman
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: who simply has any And if you live with the dude,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be stuff that indicates that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You live with the dude. Right, there's there's gonna be tough.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You know, he'll occasionally walk in the background. You might
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: see a shadow, you might see your footsteps, you might
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: see pictures on the wall, right like this is this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: is an attack on the very idea of a woman
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: being with a man, period. And they've gone through every
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: other way of attacking this relationship between men and women,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and it is an attack on the relationship between men
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and women. They won't be happy until men and women
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have no relationship at all whatsoever. And I said this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: seven years ago, longer than that, but this is what
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: they're after. And I've had confirmation recently that this is
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: indeed what they're after. They decided in the seventies to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: redefine the relationship between men and women to benefit feminism,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to benefit this massive societnciety ending grift. All right, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: this is more of that. They've gone through, domestic violence,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, motional labor, the Bang Made phenomenon, everything else,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and now they're just saying, hey, no, well, you're just
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: uncool if you have of a man. And again, there's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: nothing that these women could do because there is going
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to be evidence that they have a man in their
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: life if they're doing any kind of content in a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: shared space with a man. So the only way to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: deal with it is to get rid of them entirely,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: or just create a new space where you purge. You're like, no, no,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you can't walk anywhere near it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: No you can't speak no, no, no, okay, all right?
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: In other words, in an era of widespread hetero fatalism,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: women don't want to be seen as being all about
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: their man, but they also want the clout that comes
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: with being partnered the hetero fedalism hetero fatalism. There links
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to an article that we responded to before the trouble
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: with wanting men. It's all about hetero fatalism. So there
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: there was a self referential article, as all feminist articles are.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Here's the proof of the thing I believe, based on
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: someone else who believes the thing I believe. And and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: also I think this is more gaslighting because they're trying
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to say this, this hetero fatalism. It's everywhere, guys, All
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: women everywhere are like, I don't want to I don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: want to be in a relationship with a man anymore.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm done. Like, dude, it's everywhere. Why aren't you doing this?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's trendy right now. We should all be like hetero fatalistic.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: We should all become super nihilists. Let's do it together.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Let's be nihilists. What are you doing over there, trying
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to make your life better?
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Yo, shun her, Shun.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That woman, shun shun her. She's trying to be happy.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: We can't have that. We should all be miserable, I mean,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: not miserable, fatalistic, which is actually good. We'll drink wine
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: and get lots of cats.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: We should do that. This is what they're doing.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: They're trying to get women to think this is a thing,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and it's not they're trying to make a thing. Remember
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: all those like articles that were coming out like around
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, and it was all like these
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: different things they were trying to say that men were
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: doing as a trend, and it was all gay shit.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Like men are are are jazzifying their beards and it's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like a picture of a guy with flowers in his beard.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: It's the new trend. It's like, no, guys aren't doing that.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Men are. Men are giving you each other bro jobs. Hey,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you ever suck your friends dick. It's a thing that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: we're doing now. It's a trend. It's totally straight too. Guys, No,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Like you're just trying to tell
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: us something is happening, and that doesn't work. Men are
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not the kind of people that chase trends. So it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: didn't work. So now they're doing it to women. I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: mean they've been doing it to women, but this is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that they're like, oh, like the hot new thing is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: dying alone.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: It's like everybody does it. Everybody's doing it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Hey, and if you're in Canada, you can get on
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that maid program and then like you'll have it and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: save up for it. It'll be great. You'll be childless,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: alone and killed by the government. So I don't know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it's just like they're just trying to get women to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: believe something that's not reality.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, I mean totally yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: All right, next paragraph. But it's not all about image.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: When I did a call out on Instagram, plenty of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: women told me that they were, in fact superstitious. Some
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: feared the evil eye, a belief that their happy relationships
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would spark a jealousy so strong in other people that
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: it could end the relationship.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Oh no, that's real. That's what's happening in this article.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: What this is about.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean if you are, if you
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: are a woman on the internet, which is why I'm
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit concerned about Ballerina farms. Do not make
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it obvious that you have a part well, don't make it,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: don't make it clear in any Well, the problem is
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: that you know, somebody will be able to find your partner,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and if they get jealous, your partner may lose their
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: job out of false accusation or or all kinds of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: other stuff. So if you got a man, you got
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to think about protecting him. That's why I've sort of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: pushed back with you on the whole. A man wouldn't
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: be wanting to stay out of it. It's probably a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: really good idea to keep your family out of your
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: online persona, especially if you've got a man, because you
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: think that women like this are going to stop with
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: just writing an article. If they see any opportunity to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: destroy your partner and they're jealous of you, they'll do it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: These are this is the hoof prince.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Of someone who's completely unhinged and facilitated by the system.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing that I know that I know
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: intimately about a woman who is unhinged or very conniving, jealous, envious,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: has institutional clout. Fear these women. Fear them, and keep
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: your partners out of your online life as much as possible. Hell,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: keep your own maiden name so they can't even find
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: your partner online, so that he doesn't get any kind
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: of blowback from this. These women are dangerous, right They
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: write these unhinged articles, and they engage in unhinged actions
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: like manufacturing online mobs to go after people. And I
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: know that from experience, so be careful, Like there is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: nothing more hideous than jealous women in a group with
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: social clout or institutional progress.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Actress Kirsten Dunst, who years ago. I think Jezebel wrote
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the article, but it might have been Gawker where she
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: basically just said, like that she likes being a wife
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and mother for her husband. That was like something so
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: basic in like an interview in passing, and they were like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: we can't help it if she's kind of dumb.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: You know, it was just hostile.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these people are interested in making you as miserable
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: as they are. And yep, I think I think that
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: women saying that they're afraid of sparking a jealousy so
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: strong in other people that could end the relationship. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: think that's legitimate, because that's what it hets down to.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Men don't give a shit that women are posting their
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: husbands online.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Women do, yes, and obviously because they got a Vogue
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to publish this nonsense like this should be a wake
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: up call to all female content.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Creators with a partner, be careful.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Be careful because there are unhinged lunatics like this enabled
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: by the system. Because nobody said, you know what, my dear,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: this sounds like a psyche A diary of a psychiatric inpatient.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be published.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Nobody said that.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So this insanity is being enabled by our system, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it is insanity. Like we talk about this, but remember
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: we are reading the diary, the diary of.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: A psychiatric inpatient.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: In a normal world, this would somebody at Vogue would
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: be like, no, there would be a slash reader, the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: slash pile this receipt and mayd be like, okay, trash,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But no, this went through several stages of being vetted.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That means the insanity in it is being enabled by
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: this system.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: All right, let's let's continue.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Others were concerned about their relationship ending and then being
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: stuck with the posts. I was in a relationship for
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: twelve years and never once posted him or talked about
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: him online. We broke up recently, and I don't think
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I will ever post a man, says NICKI thirty eight,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: even though I am a romantic.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Oh sorry, go ahead, post a man.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I will ever post a mane.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: A picture of a man online.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I guess even though I am a romantic, I still
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: feel like men will embarrass you, even twelve years in
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: so claiming them feels so lame.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we know why NICKI doesn't no longer has
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a relationship graduation.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Nikki, you're an awful human being.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you see, your man is like again and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it's like a decoration. It's like a part of your
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: online persona. Yeah, part of your your.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You didn't post him or talk about him online. But
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: she didn't do it because she thought he was an
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: embarrassment or could be a potential embarrassment.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Oh man, you are. But also but there was also
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: The thing is is that if we break up, it's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it's a bigger embarrassment because it means I, for whatever reason,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I failed in this relationship, and now the world knows,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like people give a shit that much. I don't know.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe they do.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I yeah, they might, they might do. But on the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: other hand, I don't know, Like it just it that
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: is an embarrassing sentiment. I know four billion people, four
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: billion men on Earth, and I know what they all
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: would do, all of them. No, you don't, Nikki, You
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: don't even probably know what one hundred and twenty five
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: men would do. Hell, you probably don't even didn't even
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: know you what your boyfriend would do. The ones should
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: still be with them. Okay, that Caddy comment for the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: day done, but.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: There was an overwhelming sense from single and partner women
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: alike that, regardless of the relationship, being with the man
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: was almost an almost guilty thing to do. On the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Delusional Diaries podcast, fronted by New York based influencers Hallie
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and Jazz, they discussed whether having a boyfriend is lame. Now, Okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I guess if the Delusional Diaries podcast says it, it
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: must be true.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But also if that is the case, then your article
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is contributing to it. So you are saying, Wow, these
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: women feel guilty.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: How can I make it worse.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing. That's a good thing. Women should
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: feel like having a partner's lane. They should feel guilty
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: about it. They should be humiliated for having a boyfriend
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: or a husband.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Insanity.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Why does having a boyfriend feel republican?
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Reads a top comment?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, who we got to answer that it feels like
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it is traditional?
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Like it?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And again I've said this now, traditionalism is just a
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: man and a woman having a relationship.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's traditionalism.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Any kind of relationship between men and women is far right,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's part of the manosphere. Okay, if you're a woman
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: with a boyfriend, you're part of the manosphere and you
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: can continue to try to appease people who will find
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: anything to shame and ostracize you and throw you into
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the manisphere bucket. But it's a loser's game, all right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, boyfriends are out of style. They won't come back
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in until they start acting right. Read another with thousands
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of likes. In essence, having a boyfriend typically makes takes
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: hits on a woman's aura, as one comments or claim.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Brian, I know you're saying that this is being
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: top down pushed, but I would not be surprised that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the women who are infested with this nonsense. This this
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: feminist framing of the relationship between the sexes, which is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: a substantial I think it's actually a majority of women.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Now they would they would embrace stuff like this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is this is the work is
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: basically nearly complete.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that this is happening as
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: men turn away from women. So now they're projectively saying,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: basically rejecting men, we've got why are why are the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: men who I would reject no longer interested in me?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And now we're at boyfriends are so passive, like we
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: we pre reject the whole sex.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: We don't.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: You don't even have to approach us to reject you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: We pre reject you. This is this is so much
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: childish insanity. Is all right, find somebody you like it's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: a woman's or grab and batten down the hatches because
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: life is not life is not always great, but at
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: least you'll have somebody to weather the storm with.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Funnily enough, both of these hosts have partners, which is
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: something I often see online. Even partnered women will lament
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: men in heterosexuality, partly in solidarity with other women, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: also because it is now fundamentally uncool to be a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: boyfriend girl.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Is that like a new thing?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You guys made up new comic gobbledygook just dropped boyfriend girl.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm I think that they're either these women are
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: just hypocrites that are okay with like making other women
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: single and miserable while they're like in happy relationships, or
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: their boyfriends that are be like listening to their content
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: and taking notes and trying to get the fuck out
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of there, because if you if you're in a relationship
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: with somebody who fundamentally does not appreciate you. You should
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: not be in that relationship anyway, if not just in
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: these women's imaginations, Audiences are icked out by seeing too
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: much boyfriend content, myself included. It seems, as indicated by
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: my liberal use of the mute button.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: What okay?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: When author and British Vogue contributor Stephanie Yeboca yeboah Hard
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: launched her boyfriend on social media, she lost hundreds of
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: followers kind of we were still together, I wouldn't post
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: them here. Well, they're haters. Can you remember that when
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: when women would just say they're just haters and they
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: would just move on. They want you single and unhappy.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, then the unvoting Democrat for the rest of eternity,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: because they want to appropriate all of those instincts that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: are not going into a family into incredibly bizarre political
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: choices that only support top down corporations and government, choices
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that support basically corporations and government.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: That's it, that's what they're doing.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And the women who fall for it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: You jokes. You are fucking jokes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So there's something cringey and embarrassing about
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: constantly posting a partner these days, she tells me, adding
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: that there is part of me that would also feel
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: guilty for sharing my partner constantly, especially when we know
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the dating landscape is really bad at the moment. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be boastful. So they're doing it for
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: other women who don't appreciate it. Again, this is another
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: one of these things that men are really not a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: part of. But they're just like, you know, in the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: area of effect damage. So her name is jon Tay Joseph.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I think I looked at who this is.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Shaunte, give me the spelling, cha and Te slow down.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: You know I'm an idiot about this.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Copy it and send it to you. I'll send it
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to you in the server.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: All right, Okay, thank you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: The only article that she wrote provoke. It looks like
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: maybe she wrote some other shit.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let's keep going.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so yeah, I wouldn't want to be boastful.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Sophie Milner, a content creator, also experienced people unfollowing her
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: when she shared a romantic relationship this summer. A boy
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: took me to sicily. I posted about it at my
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: subscriber section, and people replied saying things like please don't
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: get a boyfriend. He took me to Sicily, and you're like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want to upset my Wait, is she like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: taking a little bit of pleasure in making her audience
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of women angry and then like kind of humble bragging
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: on this post because she starts with this summer a
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: boy took me to Sicily, which I think is like
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a flex and then says, I posted about it at
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: my subscriber section, so like all of my followers saw it,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and people replied saying things like please don't get a boyfriend.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So I basically I got to I got a man
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that took me on a trip to a foreign country.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I shared it online.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I have subscribers that watch I have the Cloud, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I made some of them angry at me jealous. Actually,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: so she admits that her content perhaps becomes less exciting
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: when she's in a relationship. Being single gives you this
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: ultimate freedom to say and do what you want. It
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is absolutely not every woman, but I do notice that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: we can become more beige and water down online when
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: when we're in a relationship, myself included. So so what
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: is she is she saying that? Is this what social
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: media is doing to women. It's making them want to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: stand out in such a way that they question the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: way their life is arranged so that they don't appear
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: too dull to random people on the internet that might
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: look at their posts. You see, do you see what
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Are you doing something with rock right now? Yeah?
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I'm looking up this woman and what she's written. I
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: probably agree with you, but I apologize I did not
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: hear it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: All right, then I'll just I'll just keep going.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Uh. From my conversations, one thing is certain. The script
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: is shifting. Being partner doesn't affirm your womanhood anymore. It
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: is no longer considered an achievement, and if anything, it's
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: become more of a flex to pronounce yourself single. I've
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: stopped because of the semicolon.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Well, we're all embracing being a loser, because being able
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to manage a long term relationship is a skill that
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you just don't have.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It's not always easy.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: It's usually fulfilling, but it's not always easy, and you
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: guys don't have that skill, right, And I'm actually done
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: with this because the fact is that the pressure of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the Party of Single Women on everything politically, on the
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: ship that they put into office, on their ability to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: constantly support the worst kind of actors and corporations and governments.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It's getting unsettling. And I think that the disenfranchisement of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: women maybe because that other cultures throughout time have seen
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the rise of the equivalent to the Party of Single Women,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: which is likely harems, and they saw what it did
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to politics and society and the functioning of the economy
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: and the underpinning meritocracy that's essential foreign economy, and they
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: realize it's not a good idea, and so they fundamentally
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: made sure to shame and get women partnered to avoid
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the creation of the Party of Single Women. But also,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we just look at the thesis here,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the best thing you can do if you want to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: invest in your happiness is have a long term relationship
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: with a man, full stop. Keep that man for your
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: entire life, full stop. That's the very best thing you
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: can do. Plus have children, right because child free women
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: they when they get older and their partner dies, they
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: do experience a significant drop in their happiness at that moment,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: which really says something, isn't it about being partnered as
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a woman. It's the best thing you can do for
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: your happiness, your health, your stability, your financial well being.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: It is literally the best choice a woman can make
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: in her life.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: One of the worst is to go and get a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: really stupid degree in any one of these these fake
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: things like I don't know any humanities, Right, that's the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: worst thing you can do. One of the worst things
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you can do. And one of the best things you
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: can do is get married and stay married for your life.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: And this article is basically.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Telling women to avoid one of the best things they
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: can do for themselves because the author of this article
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and the people who published it do not give a
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: rats ass about women.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: All they want is to use them to continue to
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: push a particular political agenda. I'm not even gonna say
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it's a liberal or anything agenda because I don't think
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: it is. It is the agenda of spending more money that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: You have not earned, right. It is the the.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Corp the corporate and government agenda of spending people's money
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: and using their labor as collateral and having absolutely no
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: oversight over it. Because the people that you're stealing from
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: are are morally less than you. They're just a bunch
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: of misogynist, racists, transphobes, homophobes, whatever I've else labeled that
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you can say as being high up in the corporation,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: high up in the government to justify your exploitation of
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the peasant class. That's all this is is justification of exploitation.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: It is a lie to steal from people, and they
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: want to keep perpetuating it because it justifies it and
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it covers. Like I remember, and this is this is
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I've said this to you guys before. I believe if
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you knew, you may not have heard this. I remember
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: reading this ridiculous nonsense from Disney. They made their employees
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: go to a seminar where they described white privilege and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: how it results the white privilege causes the differential in
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: people's salaries. And I'm like, Disney, if there's a differential
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: in your employees, is that favor white people, that's your fault.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Like that, literally, you see a corporation blame shifting onto
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: its employees. All of these narratives are corporations and governments
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: in collusion blame shifting onto the population that they are
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: stealing from. They are stealing from. Then They're not just
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: stealing in terms of taxes, they're stealing in terms of inflation.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: You know how inflation works. They write more debt so
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they can fund their Ugandan trans basket weaving initiatives, which
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: know you Gondon wants and know you Gondon benefits from.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: You know, fifty thousand feminist majors, like feminist graduates from
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: feminist majors get to be employed by it. They write
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a grant for that, are they right? Debt for that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: They pay for that program, and all of us pay
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: for it in terms of of our income taxed. That
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: ends up being the collateral for that loan, and then
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: we pay on the back end because our life expenses
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: go up because more money is injected into the system
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: to pay for a bunch of feminist graduates doing nothing
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: for nobody, and it's excused by shit like this the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: grand theft.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Everyone. All right, are we done with this article?
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well you said you were done.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: No, I sorry, okay, it's a little bit so we
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: should probably finish.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: It, all right, Well, sorry.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Shut up, No, it's my fault, like don't don't don't
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: take responsibility.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from my conversations, one thing is certain. The script
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: is shifting. Being partner doesn't affirm your womanhood anymore. It's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: no longer considered an achievement. I read that part right.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: As as straight women, we're confronting something that every other
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: sexuality has had to contend with, a politicization of our identity.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Heterosexuality has long been purposefully indefinable, so it's harder for
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: those within it and outside of it to critique. What
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: do you mean undefinable? It's a man and a woman
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: making a baby, but like, but potentially making a baby
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: or more babies undefinable my ass. So yeah, anyway, however,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: as our official roles begin to crumble, maybe we're being
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: forced to it is the most biologically definable, like.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: You's saying, Yeah, it is the most clear cut.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: It's the most straightforward thing. It's I thought it was boring.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it was The problem was it was too
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: clear cut, which is why we had to invent a
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: bazillion genders and queer theory so that we can so
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that people can feel like so much more individualistic and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: not get to put into a box of heterosexuality. Now
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: we get to call the heterosexuality vague and beige and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: undivinable and mysterious and you know, kind of scary. Oh
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: my god, what happens when you put these two things together?
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: They make something else? No, wait, that's weird. However, as
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: our traditional real roles begin to crumble, maybe we're being
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: forced to reevaluate our blind allegiance to heterosexuality.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Okay again, very best decision of a woman can make
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: for her happiness or financial wellbeing, in her health is
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to get a long term relationship.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: With a man.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And why is that? Because that is what we have
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: been evolved to do.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. Now, I'm not.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Saying that I'm I mean personally, I know I'm no
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: longer liberal.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I know I'm part of the far right.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: No problem personally with lesbian relationships, gay relationships, as long
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: as they're healthy, you know. But I know that evolution
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: has geared human beings to be pair bonders, which means
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the most successful relationships generally are between a.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Man and a woman.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, And the most successful societies encourage there to be
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: strict monogamy between a man and a woman. That's how
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: it goes, and it's because of our evolutionary past Okay,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: so right, I'm not going to say that people can't
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: try any kind of other arrangement or be any kind
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: of other genders. Let's create a whole bunch of boxes
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: to try to create a world with us boxes.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: But whatever, I don't care.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: The reality is that this is how we have evolved
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: to structure our lives, and this is the wind condition
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: for a pair bonding spiece is to be in a
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: pair producing cubs. That is our wind condition. Everything else
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: is noise. Okay, it can be noise that maybe is
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: somewhat beneficial. Maybe it was helpful in the past for
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: offspring to have a few aunts and uncles to contribute
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to their to their upbringing that themselves wouldn't take out
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: resources for children. Maybe that works. I mean, that's sort
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: of how the way a wolf pact does. And wolves
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: are the other big pair bonders on the planet. And corvids,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: so you know, corvas are weird. Anyway, Oh, maybe that works.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe homosexuality is within the social group evolution. Fine,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: but the basis, the spine, the essence of this is
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: men and women coming together and having children. It's why
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: all successful societies encourage this. The most successful societies encourage
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: the most strict monogamy they produce. They do whatever it
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: takes to make as many men and women in relationships
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: as possible, and strictly in those relationships with each other.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: One man, one woman, successful society, one man one woman
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: successful relationship.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no there. You can't get away from it, right.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And if we decide, as a society decide to start
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: warring against that relation to start, why am I even
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: saying start? If a society we are well into the
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: war against that relationship. If a society decides to start
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: to directly againe in war against that relationship, then that
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: society is done for.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: You know. One thing that I haven't seen answered yet
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: is whether or not queerness, being gay, being trans or
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: being by or whatever is something that you are born
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: with that is inherent or if it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Is socialized into you.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And the reason why is because these activists they change
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the rules on that. I remember Lady Gaga's song Born
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: This Way, and I said, oh, okay, well you know
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I can accept that. But now that's not the thing anymore.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Now it's it seems like there is a socialization, or
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: at least people who used to say you're born this
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: way are also open to socializing and conditioning children and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: people into it, which is why there were articles put
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: out by you know, like Gawker and The Cut that
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: would be like, hey, have you given your friend a.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Blowjob as a man?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And I thought, well, okay, so are they kind of
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: are they saying it's socially engineered now or is it biological?
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm bringing this up is really
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: really simple. Okay, if it's socially engineered, then that's what
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: this this person is engaging in with women. And we
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: have the I think that it wouldn't be a problem
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: for us to have an opinion on that one way
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: or the other, whether we're for it or against it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: But that is something that.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: You can do. If it's biologically determined, then there's no
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: point in having an opinion on it because it is
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: But you can make women miserable by getting them to
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: make false choices.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: Right, But that's the thing, though, They can only make
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: a false choice if.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: You believe in the grooming thing or the conditioning thing.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: And if you believe in it, then you might try it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: But like this is what I'm saying, Like that there's
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: nothing defined, and it's on purpose. This is meant to
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: be vague, to cause problems, to cause confusion. But I
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: think that the caveats no, like the whole Well, if
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you're gay, that's okay, that's.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Your Like, I'm not doing that anymore.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Like if you're gay, then there's nothing I can say
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: that would change that, So why do you care what
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I think? But if it's socially conditioned, which I don't
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: think that you would agree it is, like if that's
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: how you feel, then like why would you want other
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: people telling you how you should be? So this is
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like a kind of a non starter discussion anyway, And
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: this person is engaging in a kind of attempt as
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: social engineering of women, and it's like okay, but so
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: then it's not biological then, and you know you're opening
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: you're opening a Pandora's box too, because if you say
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: this stuff is this stuff is socially conditioned, and then
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: guess what there's like didn't we used to do you know,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: kind of anti gay like shock therapy, Like we're just
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: gonna bring that back then, right, Because you're saying it
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: can be moved around, it's malleable, So it's either determined
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: or it's not and that and that. What I'm saying
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: is is that you're engaging in one of these things
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: right now. If you're a lesbian whoever wrote this article,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: then b one, I don't.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Care, but try.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: You're trying to convince everyone else to do it too,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: And that makes me wondering if you're actually happy. I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: don't think you are.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, misery loves company, Well, I just love. I think
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: what is conditioned is where we take a positive identity.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to explain that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Heterosexuality as a as a defined concept originates from German psychology,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: like a German psychologist in like the eighteenth century, nineteenth century.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: It is that it is the idea, and originally it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: was something that was intended to describe something that was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: not considered psychologically normal. So what was considered normal was
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: a man's sexual desire for his lawfully wedded wife in
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: a Christian system.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: That was normal.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Heterosexuality was seen as an excessive desire for women.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Outside of that situation.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: So what was normal was that your sexuality is put
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: in service of your family and Christ or sorry, the church.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Christ as a word that gets your
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: video flagged on YouTube probably who knows. So it would
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: be in service of your family, in service of your church,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: in service of your community, and any sexual desire outside
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: of that would be considered sinful and wrong. So the
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: psychologists often would create these kind of psychological categories around
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: things that were perceived as sinful.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: And of course there was.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Also homosexuality, which completely wrong, and that evolved over time
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: into taking a positive identity from your sexual desire for
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: women and then for men, and then I don't know
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: what it is now everything monsters, right, So that whole
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: thing sort of set the ball in motion. But originally
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: it was you take a positive identity not from your
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: sexual desires, but putting them into service of family, community.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Church, right, And.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: That is I think socially malleable, right. Not necessarily the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: desires themselves, but whether or not you think it is
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: a positive thing to have sexual desire for women, to
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: have sexual desire for men, to take an identity from
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: what you desire sexually, so you feel like you're you're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: you have like a good sense of yourself because of that.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: That is actually not what would be originally I think,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: considered Christian, which would have been service to God. So
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I mean that is malleable. The desires themselves probably not,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: but how you judge them in relation to your social
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: like your social identity is and that's why. And I
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: remember this way back when people who were conservative, you know,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: and I've seen like waves and iterations about this and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: how it's changed over time, would say that being gay
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: is a choice, and they were right. Choosing to indulge
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: your sexual proclivities instead of putting your sexuality in service
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: of family and church is a choice. And they would say,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: just make the correct choice, and and there was not
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: so Lady Gaga would say something unborn this way to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: defend against that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: And now that conservatives.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Have generally don't talk about that because the argument has changed.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Now they're going with, oh, we're all the conditions socially
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: conditioned because that's more beneficial to whatever they're pushing exactly.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, it changes because it needs to h and the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: rules don't matter. Yeah, yeah, it's all it's all feminine oriented.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: It's like based on context and empathy and not like logic.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And the thing is that probably the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: sexuality does have a genetic component, although so and this
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: is interesting, there's more Apparently there's more of a genetic
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: component with rape. So genetically, rapists are more genetically distinct
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: from normal men than gay men are from straight men.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: So if we.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Want to go with genetic components, then realistically men who
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: rape should be in their own weird category of sexuality
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: more than waymen. So the attraction to non consensual sex
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: is an orientation, please don't create a movement is more
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: of an orientation than being attracted to consensual sex with
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: an adult.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I just want to put that out there.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so now I'm moving on. Obviously,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: there's no shame in falling in love, but there's also
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: no shame in trying and failing to find it or
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: not trying at all.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it's no shame in falling in love, but we're
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: gonna shame you for the consequences of falling in love.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: This is just like covering their own ass. Yeah, no doubt,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm not.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that's for all the good
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: things none of the bad things. So if I said
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: something that made you feel bad, I didn't actually say
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: it because I support only the good things and you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: feel bad, And only the bad people who say bad
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: things can do that to you, So it couldn't have
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: been me. It must have been somebody else who was bad,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: probably a man. Yeah, all right, And as long as
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: they're openly rethinking and criticizing heteronormativity, having a boyfriend will
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: remain a somewhat fragile or even contentious concept within public life.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: This is also happening alongside a wave of women reclaiming
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and romanticizing their single life. So interesting romantic, No it's not,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: but they're well, well, hold on a second.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: So gynocentrism is.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: A problem because it is the romantic model that's been
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: overlaid on top of the way that men and women
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: relate to each other, and it's based on an illusion.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: It's not real, right, this idea of romantic chivalry and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: romantic love that's based in these stories of fantasy that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: are very like, let's say, aspirational, but not realistic. And
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: this is like.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: Where like it used to be the case.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to like parse this out because I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: think that where she's going is almost like the next
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: step of ginocentrism, which is hetero fatalism, right, I think
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: that's what she's saying. So like before ginocentrism, we had
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: men and women got together out of a necessity for survival,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: out of a necessity for the species to continue. As
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: a business decision that would join two families together like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: they were companies, so that you could like increase your
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: productivity in the family. Right, you have a bunch of
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: kids and they worked on the farm or wherever. If
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you were a craftsman in the village, they were in
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: your business, and you would marry your son to a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: neighbor's daughter and they would get they it would be
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: set up for them early, and the love they felt
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: was built over time. But they usually knew each other.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it wasn't like the way we
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: meet the opposite sex today where it's on we're on
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: apps or we go to like you know, we may
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: meet them at work or in school. We're talking about
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: people who lived within proximity to each other and they
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: were around each other a lot, and they got to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: know each other and it was usually and there are
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: still societies that do that, right, Like even in America,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: there's like you know, if you're in a rural enough
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: area and there's there's like not really a lot of
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: access to like the cities, you're gonna like be around
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the people that you're around, and you're probably gonna marry
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: those people, and you're gonna start families with those people.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: And at the time, the romantic model of the man
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: bringing everything to the table and the woman being the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: table didn't exist.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Right, Am, I am, I If I'm wrong, cut me
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: off and let me know.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And that was all because you know, there were dowries
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff, right, We used to do that. Then we
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: got into the romantic model. And I don't want to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: blame anything like people say, oh, industrialization or whatever. I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's true, because I think we could
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like continue to adapt the same thing and just bring
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: it over. But what happened was we started to adopt
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: a concept of romantic chivalry, and that was ginocentrism, where
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the man had to the woman didn't need to bring anything.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: And I think that it was kind of like an
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: elitist thing that regular women got into and it was
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: done through our culture and our art and our literature
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and plays, et cetera. And then we all start to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: absorb that, like chivalry as a concept existed, but it
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't something that was just for women. It was like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: a code that men had, you know, it was like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: a code of honor. It is why like guys who
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: would get knighted as though it was a big honor,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: not because of something to do with women, but there
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: there was inherent in that, like the duty to protect
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: the people weaker than you, which makes sense again for
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a society to survive, the men, you know, need to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: be strong and be able to protect the weak so
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: that you can keep having people.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: Right, you don't want all the women to.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Get stolen, of the kids to get murdered, so you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: needed somebody to protect them. So we get the romantic model,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: and that skews everything, and you get to a situation
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: where you know, now the men are taking a knee
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and they're giving up all their resources and women are
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: there's less and less put on them, and their lives
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: are made more and more comfortable. And now we've reached
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: essentially peak comfort where women can just vote for communist
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: mayors because they want to free they want free stuff,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and they're not thinking about the future. And when I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: look at this, when this woman said, and as long
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: as we're openly rethinking and criticizing heteronormativity, having a boyfriend
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: will remain a somewhat fragile or even contentious concept with
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: it within public life. This is also happening alongside a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: wave of women reclaiming and romanticizing their single life. So
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: we went from a thing where women had to bring
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: something to the table to the romantic model where women
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: were the table. To another level of that, the next
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: evolution is women don't need men at all, and they're
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: romanticizing being alone or like hanging out with girlfriends and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: doing the sex and the city thing. And I wonder
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: if that isn't, like, if she isn't essentially admitting or
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: pushing towards that as like the logical endpoint of guynocentrism.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, Well.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: It is the logical endpoint. And now they outsource everything
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: to the state, and that's.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly why you even need a man to supply you. We're
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: just gonna get the state to give us everything we need.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: So men are literally redundant, I mean until the whole
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: system collapses.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not RedANT because the state still needs to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: extract resources from them in order to give to women.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: But of course men realize more and more that the
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: stick the system is rigged against them. But you were
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: talking before about like this this experiment with the pig
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: and how the pig will continue to push the lever
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: even though another pig gets all the main amount of food. Yeah,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: you want to describe that as I think what I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: read there.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Was an experiment where you had a large slow pig
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: and a smaller, faster pig and they would put that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: the the lever to release the food. Pellets was on
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: one side of the pen and.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: On the other side is where the food comes out.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: And the uh I think the large pig was male
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: and the small pig was female, but I'm not sure
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: about that, so don't quote me on that. But the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: results were the large pig would pull the lever for
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: the food to come out, but he wasn't able to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: get to and he was only he was the only
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: one strong enough to push it. Okay, I think, but
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: that might not be true either. But he would push
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  Speaker 1: the lever and the food would come out, and the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: small pig would eat most of it, if not all
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: of it, and the large pig wouldn't get to the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: food in time, and they would do but the butt
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the large pig would continue to push the lever in
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the hopes that the small pig would leave him some
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: I guess, and it never happened.
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  Speaker 2: So it was actually wasn't it that the small pig
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: would would eat its fill, but it couldn't eat the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: whole thing. So the pig the would keep pushing the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: lever because at least he would get like a couple
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: of mouthfuls.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, it's just been a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: while since I saw it.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: So essentially, that's what men are going to be doing.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: They're going to continue to keep this thing going because
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: they don't want the lights out in their their apartments.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: They want to be able to eat, they want to
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: be able to have heat and everything. But it's not
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: going to be a thriving society. It's going to be
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: a progressively more and more miserable society. And the other
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: thing is that the fake economy will eventually collapse in
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: on itself and all of the women's jobs in the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: fake economy, which are basically just the government taking debt
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: out on men's collateral. So the collateral is men's labor.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: The government takes debt out gives a whole bunch of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: women jobs in the state run harem that men have
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: to pay for. But eventually all of that collapses because
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world no longer wants to underwrite
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: the debt for the world economy, the world reserve currencies
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: state run harem right, So that is that is the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: eventual like it may not happen today, It may not
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: happen tomorrow, may not happen next year, It may not
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: happen in ten years, but the all of it will
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  Speaker 2: collapse because nobody wants to fund it anymore. Nobody wants
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: to extend any more debt to the system. And then
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: women will have enjoyed all of this extremely expensive independence.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Suppose it independence for.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: However, mail it lasts and then everything implodes and they
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: get to.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: Enjoin the downfall. I suppose.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: But this is not a system that's sustainable because it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: requires government debt to sustain it, and that there is
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: a finite limit to that.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Eventually.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the modern monetary theorists think that you can
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: never run out of government debt as long as you're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: sovereign and you can print your own money. The only
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: problem is eventually you'll have inflation. The rate the rate
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: of inflation will be so bad that nobody can afford
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: anything in your system and they will be forced to
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: stop using it at that point.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: So that's sort of the future.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: And good luck explaining this to women like the woman
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: who wrote this article. I doubt she has the ability
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: to understand things systematic, systemically, under to comprehend what I'm saying,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: But she has a vote, so we're all we're all
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: going to be going down this road, all right. So honestly,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I think all we'd have to do to correct the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: voting thing is simply have a single question. You know
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: what that question is, and just just ask it of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: every person once. Of course, you need to make sure
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: that they don't know the answer, but just ask it
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: of every person when they come of voting age. And
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that question is right, if you have a glass that
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: is full of water and you tip the glass, what
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: angle is the surface of the water relative to the desk.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Most women fail this because they cannot They cannot model
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: a system in their minds. That's the only question you
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: need for the vote. And if a woman can model that,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: it's the ability to model a system in her mind,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: she probably has the intelligence or the understanding of systems
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: to be trusted with a vote. Yeah, And it's a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: radical thought. But maybe it's a way of improving this
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: situation fairly.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Okayeah, okay. Where being single was once a cautionary tale
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: you'll end up a spinster with loads of cats, it
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: is now becoming a desirable and coveted status, another nail
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: in the coffin of centuries old heterosexual fairy tale that
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: never really benefited women to begin with.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: That's the end of the old statement.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's cool to be a loser. Guys. Really,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: this is just cope by the way that men are
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: not approaching her, and she's basically trying to justify it,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and men should not approach her.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this woman, here are the things that she's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: written back in the two like prior to the two thousand,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen, very various features on race and identity.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: So she's a black woman.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: She wrote like black Travelogs, Black Perspective, a very strange
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: article saying, I can't stop watching videos of other people
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: quirying exploration of emotional vulnerability and media.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Tied to break up some grief.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Pop culture a lots of pop culture, and I stopped
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: waiting for a relationship to live a romantic life, and
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked back personal essay on embracing solo romantic
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: experiences and rejecting relationship timelines.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so now.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: She's basically permanently single. She probably doesn't have the skills
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: to maintain a long term relationship, or perhaps she isn't. Astoundingly,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: she might not be even in the ability to get
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: one in the first place, which is really wow that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: you really, you really have to be very low functioning
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: as a woman to not even be able to get
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: a relationship. But yeah, she just she's single, and she
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: wants every other woman to be so too, and she
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: wants women to be embarrassed about being partner.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: But there's no.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no inter intra sexual relational aggression. She's
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: she's got your own she got your best interests in mine, ladies,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: she got your best interest in mine. When she says
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that something that she couldn't achieve, you shouldn't.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Feel proud of either.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Good Grief as a public facing journalist and writer. Chante
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Joseph as a professional photos available.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, she wrote she wrote an article about gamer Gate too,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you know that. I think it's for The Guardian really, yeah,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it's an old one, but she wrote, an article about Gamergate.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: What was the article?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look it up.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: Hold on, let me see to history.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Also do this too. What was her gamer Yeah?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: I searched her up on.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Google.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I just gotta like find it.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me see what I got. Hopefully.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Joseph's not traditionally written articles specifically on Gamergate. However, she
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: hosted and presented a prominent podcast episode exploring the topic,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: marking the ten here it is.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: It's called Are we Experiencing Gamergate?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Two point zero?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I guess it's yeah, pop culture with Shante Joseph. It's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: like a podcast, okay.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Joseph examines the lasting impact of Gamergate, an online harassment
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: campaign and right wing backlash against female journalists and developers
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: in the gaming industry. The episode discusses industry changes over
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: the decade or ongoing misogyny and signs of the gamer
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Gate two In the most recent controversies, I eg tied
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: to gamer reviews and diversity efforts.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: It highlights how.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Little is improved for women in gaming, with themes of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: online hate, wal right influences, and the need for better protections.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. Back in two and thirteen, I predicted
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: all of this when I said Anita will save you
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: from your sin. They were going after the gamer the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: gaming industry, and it was like yep, and gamer Gate
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: online harassment campaign. So basically they gamer Gate pushed back
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: against the appropriation of games for this agenda and has
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: continued to do so. And gamer Gate two is when
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: gamers just decided to stop buying these games. That was it,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: and that was harassment, was it. I'm going to get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Grock to fact check her, okay.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: And I do have.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: I did find some pictures not of her.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I sent one.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: She's not really that bad looking, presumably, but so that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: means the failure.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: No, I know what she looks like, Yeah, it's really
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: it's really look this is the most flattering image she
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: could find.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: Hence it's online.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, if it's like, it really doesn't matter
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: that much. Just don't be a bitch, that's all exactly.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: That's it. Just don't be a bitch.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: And she's a bitch, so that that makes her unappealing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: There you go, there's another one.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: She's British, by the way, She's British, not American.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Blessed a bitch with an accent that waste with an accent. Yeah,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: waste of an accent, no doubt. Okay, because you know
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: the British accent, at least for me, you know, as
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of points. I doubt it would with purse.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: It's a waste of an accident. Okay, let me see
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: what Groc has said. The overall the statement is a faithful,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: concise summary of the episode's content.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Is it is it? Is it accurate? Curious on the.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: Gamer Gate episode? Of course not, Allison.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: The only the only thing that's been accurate in describing
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Gamergate has been gamer Gate itself, and Groc Grockipedia has
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: been pretty.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, So Groc says no.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: The podcast framing of Gamergate is an online harassment campaign
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: and right wing backlash against female journalist and developers as
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: a widely accepted mainstream media narrative, but it is partial, oversimplified,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: and contested. It emits key context, competing complaints and documented
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: evidence that complicate the harassment only story. Online harassment campaign
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: true in part, thousands of women received rape death threats, docsing.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: And coordinatd brigod eate brigading.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: FBI investigated, some perpetrators were prosecuted. Double checked investigation, double
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: ship I'm going to get it to double check the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: investigation of prosecution.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: But anyway, we should probably move.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: On to the next one if we want to get
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: it done right, if we even have time.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: I only have like less than half an hour before
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: I got to go.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: So how many how many coke time codes did you
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: get from her?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: A few? I mean, do you like this could be
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: its own show, honestly? But really you see, well, yeah,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I got like we're thinking.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Of covering a queer Kiwi on a man who de transitioned,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we have enough time for that.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: So there's a d transitioner, and I mean that could
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: be its own thing, honestly, but I don't know if
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: you're so.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, the thing is that on Friday
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I was hoping to cover some more crazy antics in
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: the financial sphere with Karen, No, not with Karen, with
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: the with the guy who does the audit.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really really interesting.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: We could do next week too, I mean.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure, all right, yeah, I guess you're right. We
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of time. Okay, Okay, guys, nobody's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: sent any superchows. I think maybe I should get I'm
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't see any I'll poke the roles.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: We'll see if there's anybody.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, Nope, doesn't look like it, all right, So again,
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  Speaker 5: Men's right Active are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to deal with,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: especially if you have like, especially if you have like
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: You could probably minimize how much they how many highlights
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: that that gives you keep it to a fear like
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: just the most important bits are the most viral worthy bits.